#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-10-28

[02:47:54] <_DJ_> moin
[04:22:18] <newbie> Hi there
[05:43:52] <The_Ball> I see a few commits in the git tree relating to the RPi, is it possible to run the pi with a realtime kernel now?
[06:08:40] <archivist> probably better off with a beabglebone black
[08:03:23] <probotix> i am still having problem sending email to the lists using *@probotix.com from any ip address
[08:04:10] <probotix> i was able to get one through to the developers list yesterday at 7:32AM CST, but none since
[08:04:43] <MacGalempsy> a sucessful night of wiring the encoders. time to wire up the electric and setup the axis motors
[08:06:13] <probotix> our mail server is not flagged by any of the blacklists that i have been able to find
[08:07:24] <skunkworks> maybe ping cradek - I think he may be one of the admins of the sourceforge list
[08:07:35] <probotix> and i get the same result when the email server is sitting on an ip address that has a reverse mx lookup
[08:12:39] <archivist> probotix, only one name server
[08:13:58] <archivist> should not be a reason for rejection though
[08:14:54] <archivist> ah you have 3 dead name servers for your A record
[08:15:39] <archivist> those are tld servers that are sick
[08:16:32] <archivist> probotix, self checking of dns http://dns.squish.net/ I use the old version as I am used to it
[08:17:12] <archivist> check your TXT record too
[08:20:27] <PetefromTn> Mornin' folks..
[08:24:46] <skunkworks> probotix, this was in the header of your email - any help?
[08:24:47] <skunkworks> Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: highlab.com] 1.0 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS
[08:26:58] <probotix> thanks archivist, but i just don't see the problem and this is something that suddenly started happening without us making any changes
[08:27:44] <archivist> what skunkworks says and people are now requiring txt records for mail too
[08:28:46] <cradek> probotix: I got your mail. I also gave you advice about this days ago, not sure if you saw it.
[08:29:24] <cradek> and no I don't have much control over the lists at all, and I can't see sourceforge's logs unfortunately. they have a trouble ticket system that you might try if you need their help.
[08:29:37] <probotix> i did, and i contacted our host who setup a reverse record for us, but i still coulnd't get through on that ip address
[08:29:39] <cradek> but you should fix your dns problems first, and you should also probably stop sending html
[08:30:06] <cradek> the mail you sent me personally has Received: from vps.probotix.com (vps.lunarpages.com [] (may be forged)
[08:30:07] <probotix> whats stange is that i can send email from any other domain on that same server, its only *@probotix.com that fails
[08:30:23] <cradek> that means your forward and reverse DNSes don't match up, as I advised earlier
[08:30:37] <cradek> that would also tend to implicate DNS problems
[08:30:50] <cradek> brb
[08:31:18] <archivist> for a mail server I admin I have herronwindows.co.uk. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx -all"
[09:28:47] <PetefromTn> Damn I wish I was better at Cad drawings LOL..
[09:43:53] <archivist> PetefromTn, often its the cad program too, some drive the user a bit better :)
[09:44:33] <PetefromTn> archivist: Yeah I know man but I have a couple programs here that are decent. I just need a LOT more practice LOL.
[09:44:59] <PetefromTn> Right now I am drawing a pretty large built in cabinet I am hopefully gonna be building for a customers home.
[09:46:19] <PetefromTn> I will say listening to Vangelis channel on Pandorah helps me concentrate tho.. Wish I was drawing some CNC parts for the VMC but Oh well.
[09:48:04] <archivist> I chuck muzak on too when getting into something
[09:48:29] <PetefromTn> it certainly helps me... I NEED all the help I can get
[09:52:00] <archivist> I am fitting windows tomorrow, getting paid instead of my own
[09:53:35] <cradek> archivist: I wonder if probotix got (and read) my responses this time
[09:53:51] <archivist> no idea
[09:54:38] <archivist> we will find out when he gets it to work or fails :)
[09:57:25] <PetefromTn> fitting windows to your own house?
[09:57:50] <archivist> no, for a window company
[09:58:30] <PetefromTn> okay. I replaced all the windows in the front of my house when we resided it last year. PIA>
[09:58:45] <PetefromTn> oh and the front entryway door too.
[09:59:42] <archivist> I have practiced on a couple of doors and a window here, then I get an email this morning "Do you fancy a crash course in fitting tomorrow??"
[10:00:29] <probotix> i read them last time too - but I still couldn't get emails through after they added rDNS
[10:01:56] <PetefromTn> LOL gotta love anything with CRASH in the name...
[10:04:08] <cradek> probotix: but it's still wrong
[10:04:31] <archivist> probotix, your reverse dns is vps.lunarpages.com
[10:05:29] <probotix> then it should be wrong for other email addresses that DO work, too
[10:05:54] <cradek> then maybe we haven't guessed the problem
[10:06:00] <cradek> it's tough without access to sf's logs
[10:06:02] <probotix> i have other hostnames on the same box that i can send email from
[10:07:36] <archivist> remember some mail servers require better settings
[10:07:56] <probotix> fair enough - thats all i really wanted to know - is there someone on here who does have access to diagnose that type of thing - and i guess that answer is no
[10:08:42] <cradek> unfortunately :-/
[10:08:50] <archivist> deal with things we mentioned and it will all start working probably
[10:09:21] <cradek> yes make forward and reverse dns match each other, make sure your spf records are right, don't send html
[10:09:22] <archivist> I hate setting up mail too :)
[10:09:42] <archivist> you have no spf record
[10:09:55] <cradek> oh that's probably fine
[10:10:01] <cradek> no record is much better than a wrong one
[10:10:18] <archivist> sps is a recent requirement
[10:10:21] <archivist> spf
[10:11:01] <cradek> probotix: do you have access to YOUR sendmail logs?
[10:11:16] <cradek> probotix: it would be interesting to see whether they're accepting your mail in the first place
[10:11:46] <probotix> yes - it looks like they are accepting
[10:11:48] <cradek> probotix: if your mail gets dropped and you don't get either an error when sending or a bounce later, SOMEONE has something very wrong
[10:12:02] <probotix> and no bounce
[10:12:59] <cradek> paste the acceptance line?
[10:13:32] <probotix> i turned on "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?" and sent one to developers yesterday morning - got the acknowledgement, sent another two minutes later and it disappeared into the ether without an ack
[10:14:24] <cradek> huh, that's pretty obnoxious
[10:15:01] <cradek> unfortunately your only bets are to guess and fix obvious things (especially dns) or ask sf for help
[10:16:29] <probotix> 2013-10-28 10:00:33 1VaoIs-0002vG-CB => emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mx.sourceforge.net []
[10:16:29] <probotix> 2013-10-28 10:00:33 1VaoIs-0002vG-CB Completed
[10:17:54] <cradek> does that look the same as the one that came through at Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 07:32:05 -0500
[10:19:11] <probotix> no - that was my exim/mainlog, but yes - it looked the same as the one from yesterday
[10:19:36] <probotix> the ack i was talking about is an actual email that SF will send you letting you know they received your email
[10:20:23] <probotix> the subject is "Emc-developers post acknowledgement"
[10:21:46] <probotix> you have to turn that on in your SF settings
[10:23:02] <cradek> your FCrDNS still fails today. I suspect that's the most important thing you should fix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS
[10:23:24] <cradek> specifically for
[10:24:21] <cradek> I am surprised you don't have more problems, with that being wrong
[10:24:44] <cradek> it's a very important spam indicator
[10:26:53] <cradek> if you don't have adequate control over your dns, you might want to send through your isp's smtp relay (aka "smart host")
[10:52:08] <probotix> just got off the phone with thre bozos at lunarpages - we'll see what happens
[10:52:43] <probotix> i went with managed servers because i didn't want to be a linux administrator any longer
[10:55:02] <cradek> you picks your poison...
[10:55:34] <PetefromTn> Just got another email from the folks at Dolphin Cad Cam.. Still cannot tell if that is 3d or 2.5D software cam and whether it is worth a damn or not.
[10:56:14] <probotix> back when i was a linux admin for an ISP, we used to be able to just call the other ISP and watch the log files in real time
[10:56:14] <cradek> huh, I just got their spam too
[10:57:04] <cradek> if they're spamming about it, probably no, not worth a damn.
[10:57:28] <PetefromTn> LOL yeah probably right...
[10:57:50] <cradek> wonder if they sell toner cartridges too
[10:57:56] <PetefromTn> Sure would be nice to be able to buy an integrated cad cam for $900.00 or less tho. That is as long as it is 3d
[10:58:38] <PetefromTn> I freakin' HATE toner.... I once repaired computers and copiers in another life and it SUCKED!!
[10:59:44] <CaptHindsight> if you can't clearly explain what your product offers what are you try to hide?
[11:00:03] <jdh> 2, 2.5, and 3 Axis Machining W/Rotary for A & B Axis
[11:02:42] <PetefromTn> yeah I saw the fourth axis info but if you look at the website it is not clear to me that it supports continuous simultaneous 3d movement.
[11:03:41] <PetefromTn> Tapered wall machining sounds like 3d tho...
[11:04:25] <CaptHindsight> I under stand the need for GPL CAD/CAM but there are already a few poor closed packages for <$1k
[11:05:24] <PetefromTn> what's GPL? and such as?
[11:05:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[11:06:41] <ReadError> probotix
[11:06:54] <ReadError> you need to update dns for IP more than likely
[11:06:57] <PetefromTn> aah interesting.
[11:07:11] <ReadError> # host
[11:07:11] <ReadError> domain name pointer vps.lunarpages.com.
[11:07:19] <cradek> he knows he knows :-)
[11:07:35] <PetefromTn> isn't he in Oz or something?
[11:07:59] <jdh> also odd that so many things reverse to vps.lunarpages.com but there is no forward for it.
[11:08:25] <ReadError> they probably just that as a standard PTR entry
[11:11:26] <PetefromTn> Gotta make me a sammich... cad drawing makes me hungry LOL
[11:12:03] <jdh> aren't you married?
[11:12:12] <ReadError> sudo make me a sandwich
[11:13:47] <PetefromTn> yup but she is a nurse and at work right now so I gotta fend for myself.
[11:13:59] <PetefromTn> wish sudo could make me a sammich LOL
[11:14:10] <probotix> they were gonna charge me $35 per ip address to change it to vps.probotix.com until I told them they should have set it up properly in the first place and I'd be finding a new ISP
[11:14:21] <jdh> sounds like she didn't plan well. Perhaps you should have a talk with her later.
[11:15:05] <PetefromTn> I'm thinking Sopressatta and some provologne on white with some slices of water Mozzarella lightly sprinkled with salt LOL.
[11:15:08] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: is 4-5 axis CAM what you really need and not the CAD?
[11:15:58] <PetefromTn> CaptHindsight: Actually I don't even have a fourth yet but sure would be nice LOL... I actually was hoping for a good cad too tho I am using that freecad for 3d work now and it is nice but has aways to go before it is really working well.
[11:17:49] <PetefromTn> Really just wanted something reasonable that has full 3d toolpathing and maybe fourth axis for down the road but integrated would be real nice. Only thing that comes close is Bobcad Cam for anywhere within a reasonable price range to me.
[11:18:58] <ReadError> PetefromTn visualmill?
[11:19:07] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://dx.com/p/water-resistant-windproof-motorcycle-riding-cotton-leg-warmer-quilt-black-185199
[11:19:39] <Jymmm> look at the pics
[11:20:35] <archivist> might keep the rain off ones nuts
[11:20:46] <cradek> right up 'til the accident
[11:21:01] <Jymmm> cradek: lol, yep
[11:21:04] <CaptHindsight> they ride those kinds of monkey bikes in cold areas of China
[11:22:01] <CaptHindsight> it might be meant for the 3 passengers that you typically carry :)
[11:22:09] <PetefromTn> ReadError: Yeah I have heard good things about visualmill but not sure of its limitations..
[11:22:13] <jdh> with the lifestock on back?
[11:22:56] <PetefromTn> Yeah Honestly they make some of those monkey bikes pretty damn custom and fast LOL....
[11:23:23] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: "monkey bikes"????
[11:23:25] <CaptHindsight> it's not uncommon to see entire families on one bike
[11:24:43] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI4Hq-C0wyE
[11:24:50] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: yup!
[11:25:53] <PetefromTn> There's actually a shop near me that sells the chinese copies of the original Honda's and there are a group of them who ride all around here and up on the Tail of the dragon behind my house LOL...
[11:26:09] <CaptHindsight> looks more morphed pocket bike
[11:28:38] <CaptHindsight> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/29/article-1174908-04B9E1E9000005DC-217_634x362.jpg not uncommon to see this
[11:29:29] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1w75-pBRwQ
[11:29:58] <PetefromTn> Looks like too much fun LOL.
[11:33:07] <CaptHindsight> http://bestmomstv.com/files/2013/06/Family-of-5-on-a-scooter.jpg heh, only the driver is wearing a helmet, probably so he can start another family if this one crashes
[11:33:35] <PetefromTn> hey man hemmets is expensive LOL
[11:33:55] <Jymmm> LOL, cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtBoeiNMAW4
[11:40:23] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: that is exactly what it is like there
[11:44:39] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdeojE5dLlM
[11:44:59] <CaptHindsight> the traffic in Nanjing in that video isn't as bad as the bigger cities
[11:50:12] <Jymmm> You could NEVER open a brake shop in India.... NOBODY USES THEM!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7J7yjBq8Y
[11:53:40] <Jymmm> Talk about grid lock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NZVSiAy6c4
[11:58:25] <PetefromTn> Jeez man is it me or does EVERY SINGLE video on Youtube nowadays pop up with a damn commercial?
[11:59:46] <kengu> i see the same thing when using browsers without adblock
[12:00:26] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah, got any pointers, I'm on Mozilla right now.
[12:01:06] <Jymmm> Eeeesh, like ants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGYIEvEe7Ks
[12:01:18] <CaptHindsight> run adblock
[12:01:19] <PetefromTn> Oh and your name reminds me of one of the most ANNOYING kids Cartoons my youngest Daughter used to watch. I think it was called Pengu...
[12:01:58] <PetefromTn> Can you say Population explosion?
[12:02:28] <CaptHindsight> japans population is actually shrinking
[12:02:57] <CaptHindsight> Shibuya is just busy, similar to times square
[12:04:30] <CaptHindsight> India by far has the busiest streets and pedestrian traffic
[12:06:31] <PetefromTn> Even over China?
[12:06:45] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[12:06:47] <Jymmm> Vietnam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBUg4Nclky0
[12:07:05] <PetefromTn> Love one of the comments in that Ants video....Where's waldo??!!
[12:07:32] <Jymmm> note the street cabling
[12:11:39] <PetefromTn> I need to Whittle me up one of these babies..... http://www.frontierarms.com.au/products/rifles/Walther-LG400-Alutec-Expert-3-900.jpg
[12:12:39] <ReadError> that looks like a serious air rifle
[12:12:45] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8D2QZ9lA4
[12:14:01] <PetefromTn> Yup pretty damn serious. I shoot Competitive Field Target competitons and that is one of the rifles they use only a high power version. They are also using the same by Steyr and Feinwerkbau.. NICE STUFF!!
[12:15:02] <PetefromTn> LOL saw that spooky helicopter on TV yesterday. Pretty cool./
[12:17:51] <PetefromTn> Just had a customer drop off a fuel tank from a Honda Shadow bike. Apparently it got a large baseball sized dent in it and he let one of his friends try to fix it. It looks like fido's ass right now. I am gonna TRY to cut out the mess and tig weld in some new steel here for him.
[12:50:20] <JesusAlos-> hi
[12:52:06] <JesusAlos-> why machine go low speed when run interpolation?
[13:09:04] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[13:09:30] <kengu> hello
[13:09:43] <PetefromTn> hey Ich..
[13:09:53] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[13:11:51] <IchGuckLive> ara all UK linuxcnc folks still on power 200,000 still without
[13:16:51] <IchGuckLive> hi jes
[13:17:33] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos-: how is the weather down in spain
[14:36:59] <Jymmm> Ah, So THIS is how you rifle a barrel... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geaEf4LoZV4
[14:38:30] <Jymmm> Um... Area of a circle == Circumference of a circle ???
[14:40:58] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[14:58:24] <Jymmm> Well, I guess he wasn't too far off after all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou8nNBn5Cbs
[15:01:21] <Jymmm> Rifling Machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_yemjfgkE0
[15:15:26] <PetefromTn> That's pretty cool but I gotta say that excellent barrels are available nowadays for so cheap it is not worth the trouble anymore unless you just want one.
[15:15:48] <jdh> being able to make one well woudl be cool in itself.
[15:16:56] <PetefromTn> yeah agreed. You can button rifle easier too with a homebuilt draw bench I understand. Again never tried it due to the great barrels available.
[15:18:52] <jdh> they might not be available when you need one.
[15:19:16] <jdh> after the impending Obama^Wzombie apocalypse.
[15:20:22] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Not that cheap http://www.riflebarrels.com/products/centerfire_lilja_rifle_barrels.htm
[15:22:24] <PetefromTn> Cheap is relative...
[15:23:34] <PetefromTn> I recently bought a sweet barrel for my continuing Precision Airgun Field Target rifle I am working on from Weirauch in Germany and it was just over $100.00... It is far and away one of the finest airgun barrels available anywhere.
[15:27:24] <andypugh> I can't help feeling that G33 would be a lot easier than all that messing about with woodedn dowels.
[15:27:57] <andypugh> (It kind of scares me that anyone would try making a gun without even owning a bench vice)
[15:56:57] <JT_Shop> didn't gun makers make guns without a bench vise for a long time?
[16:10:12] <jmasseo> what would they use? a post vise?
[17:04:25] <JT_Shop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance
[17:07:27] <t12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_lance
[17:10:19] <_DJ_> gn8
[17:23:37] <probotix> i managed to squeeze in one more email to the developers list, but then no more - and still nothing to the users list - grrrrrrrr
[17:31:17] <skunkworks_> probotix: I got one on the devel and user list from you
[17:31:31] <skunkworks_> test again and test
[17:36:00] <probotix> i'm gonna have to start putting serial numbers on the tests - lol
[17:45:15] <cradek> vps.lunarpages.com still doesn't have an A record (or my cache is old)
[17:54:30] <Jymmm> cradek: Nope, no A RR
[17:55:40] <Jymmm> cradek: http://codepad.org/459aO1jj
[17:55:53] <Jymmm> cradek: Havent' updated since the 18th
[18:02:50] <PetefromTn> evening folks...
[18:07:59] <probotix> its taking a while for cache to update
[18:16:28] <probotix> vps.lunarpages.com should be going away for the rDNS - the new one should be vps.probotix.com
[18:22:04] <archivist> I have seen your email to the user list
[18:23:54] <andypugh> Well, that's frustrating,
[18:24:56] <andypugh> I spent the evening making a backplate for the 3-ja chuck to mount on the Rivett. And when I got it mounted, I found that the chuck does not hold work true.
[18:26:20] <JT_Shop> that sucks, the jaws are off?
[18:28:58] <PetefromTn> That does suck, too bad it's not a set true model.
[18:31:23] <archivist> andypugh, toolpost grinder :)
[18:32:01] <andypugh> The position and extent of max eccentricity depends on the diameter being gripped. I reckon the scroll is worn.
[18:32:09] <archivist> but before you do that check for damage
[18:32:58] <archivist> sounds like it, at least you have the technology to remake the scroll
[18:33:41] <andypugh> I also have eBay, which is likely to be more efficient.
[18:33:51] <archivist> cheat :)
[18:35:23] <PetefromTn> Too bad but three jaw scrollers are often shitty even the better ones. Consistency at varying diameters is hard.
[18:36:07] <PetefromTn> Here's a decent deal.... http://knoxville.craigslist.org/for/4157567680.html
[18:45:36] <andypugh> This is the first time I have had a self-centering chuck which was as bad as folk always say they are. :-)
[18:46:28] <archivist> my southbend chucks are not the best
[18:47:00] <andypugh> I quite like the taylor conical scroll chucks
[18:49:33] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/taylor/page6.html
[18:50:45] <archivist> always seem too far from the spindle support bearing in my eyes
[18:51:16] <PetefromTn> never seen those, out of Production apparently, any good?
[18:51:38] <archivist> were often used on older lathes
[18:51:57] <andypugh> Allegedly, though Archivist has a point, and they were rather heavy.
[18:52:19] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Taylor-3-Jaw-Chuck-4-1-2-dia-with-Chuck-Key-but-LESS-BACKPLATE-/171158857327
[18:53:47] <PetefromTn> I need to fab me up a 5c collet closer for my lathe. It would come in REAL handy.
[18:54:20] <JT_Shop> they are pretty cheap PetefromTn
[18:54:42] <andypugh> I have been trying to figure out the mechanism. (I think I have)
[18:54:53] <PetefromTn> Yeah but I have a cheap asian 12x36...
[18:55:33] <PetefromTn> I did get a GREAT deal on a nice almost brand new Stainless Gas grill off Craigslist today tho!!
[18:56:32] <PetefromTn> We just finished grillin' some brontosaurus burgers on that thing and compared to the old POS we used to have it sure was nice to use the new one. Now I just gotta haul off that piece of crap we used to use.
[18:58:19] <PetefromTn> andypugh: How can you make a scroll like you were saying, using your Horiz?
[18:59:05] <andypugh> Well, I wasn't the one saying I could do it, but it sounds like a job for a face-grooving cutter and G33.
[18:59:48] <andypugh> Actually, there is not a lot to be lost by having a go at re-machining the existing scroll.
[19:00:20] <archivist> that loses strength
[19:00:44] <archivist> I would do it on the rotary
[19:01:34] <andypugh> How does that lose less strength?
[19:02:07] <archivist> thinner scroll "teeth"
[19:02:33] <andypugh> The chunky bevel gear on the back, and the heat-treatment is a bit of a barrier to making a new one.
[19:02:53] <archivist> we called that take out the wear in clock repair
[19:03:16] <andypugh> Yes, I know that re-machining loses strength. My question was how doing it on the rotary is better?
[19:03:40] <andypugh> (It's a foible of mine, of a job _can_ be done on a lathe, then I tend to)
[19:05:15] <PetefromTn> It's too bad you can't just cut the scroll and not have to do anything to the jaws but I imagine the clearances would open up leaving a bunch more slop.
[19:05:22] <archivist> think spiral.ngc but actually it may just be a g1 x0 a(25*360)
[19:05:59] <archivist> or whatever the number or rotations are needed
[20:34:25] <The_Ball> I'm adding some elements to Axis, extruder temperature etc, is PyVCP the best way to do it?
[20:36:57] <PetefromTn> Anyone remember the name of an easy free screenshot website to link to?
[21:39:31] <Gigs> has anyone here messed with a graham CVT motor before? I got one cheap that has no traction oil in it, and I'm not sure where to get it. CVT traction oil seems to be uncommon these days.
[21:43:13] <Tom_itx> no but: http://www.nuvinci.com/06_tf_FAQ.asp
[21:46:24] <Gigs> thanks, good lead
[21:46:31] <Gigs> I emailed amsoil as well, they make just about everything
[21:47:10] <Gigs> it's going to suck to have to lay out $50 for transmission oil before I can test this to even see if it works though
[21:47:46] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=cvt%20oil&clk_rvr_id=537712227147&adpos=1o2&MT_ID=69&crlp=15145402225_2416792&device=c&geo_id=10232&keyword=cvt+oil&crdt=0
[21:48:19] <Tom_itx> dunno what yours requires
[21:48:50] <Gigs> not those
[21:48:58] <Gigs> belt CVT oil isn't the same
[21:49:13] <Gigs> this is a traction CVT, think of a tesla turbine except with oil
[21:49:20] <Gigs> boundary layer fluid traction
[21:50:22] <Gigs> that first link you found is the right thing though
[21:50:38] <Tom_itx> probably not sold in auto stores
[21:50:53] <Gigs> not yet at least :P
[21:51:12] <Gigs> if that first link is right about its prediction that the traction CVT might one day catch on again
[21:51:24] <Gigs> now that we have better synthetics
[23:22:49] <MacGalempsy> evening