#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-10-16

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[00:18:56] <toastyde2th> can anyone think of an airflow sensor that has enough bandwidth to operate at audio frequencies
[00:23:27] <t12> a... microphone?
[00:25:10] <toastyde2th> t12, that's a pressure sensor
[00:25:38] <toastyde2th> hm, although maybe I can rig one to operate as a flow sensor
[00:36:52] <MacGalempsy> is it called a vernulli sensor?
[00:38:34] <toastyde2th> it has to be nonintrusive
[00:38:38] <toastyde2th> or minimally intrusive
[00:38:45] <toastyde2th> and has to operate at 400-1000 hz or so
[01:01:51] <jesseg> Howdy Folks. I'm trying to figure out the size name proper for a motor who's mounting holes form a 50mm square....
[01:02:09] <jesseg> In other words, like "NEMA 23" except for metric motors - specifically a 50mm square bolt pattern.
[01:02:27] <jesseg> It may be 49.875mm square instead
[01:05:03] <MacGalempsy> no idea jesseg
[01:05:33] <MacGalempsy> just go to some motor company website and look at schematics
[01:07:20] <jesseg> hehe yeah..
[01:42:17] <MacGalempsy> archivist: have you used the mesa board before?
[02:14:04] <MacGalempsy> hangout?
[02:35:26] <_DJ_> moin
[02:57:11] <MacGalempsy> hola
[03:26:07] <archivist> MacGalempsy, no I have not
[03:26:46] <MacGalempsy> ok.
[03:27:31] <archivist> I lack funds, so do a lot as cheaply as possible, rather than ideal
[03:28:30] <MacGalempsy> i am curious about running ins to the board
[03:29:22] <MacGalempsy> the boards should be here this week. but the 5i25 I got may be for ATX not SFF...
[03:29:30] <MacGalempsy> so may have to ship it back
[04:35:38] <exco> vsd specialists around?
[04:38:40] <archivist> vsd?
[04:39:21] <archivist> define vsd
[04:41:27] <archivist> exco did you notice the topic
[04:42:04] <archivist> freenode is all about open source projects
[04:42:22] <blossom> i think, he means value stream design
[04:42:31] <blossom> D:
[04:43:01] <archivist> I think virtual servoce delivery
[04:43:01] <blossom> (just kdding)
[04:43:35] <blossom> aha, versatile servo drives
[04:43:47] <blossom> http://granitedevices.com/servo-drive-vsd-e this?
[04:43:49] <blossom> those?
[04:43:51] <blossom> them? :)
[04:44:00] <exco> ^ yes
[04:44:13] <blossom> okay, i know nothin about them :)
[04:44:16] <archivist> why did you not answer my questin
[04:44:22] <exco> sorry, was afk
[04:44:34] <blossom> but cool looking coolers ^^
[04:44:56] <exco> indeed
[04:45:21] <blossom> in the sense of heatsinks
[04:45:47] <archivist> not sure many would bother using them with linuxcnc
[04:45:51] <exco> so I'm having this linuxcnc integrator meeting at my workshop this weekend and I'm trying to "complete" the 6-axis Manutec ...
[04:47:07] <exco> I'm now back to configuring these esc's (startup problems) when I'd much rather be working on the linuxcnc side of things
[04:48:19] <archivist> I wonder if there internal loop would get in the way of the linuxcnc loop
[04:48:30] <archivist> how are you using
[04:50:23] <archivist> are you letting it home (cannot imaging that working with linuxcnc, using it as step dir and linuxcnc doing the homing should work
[04:51:08] <exco> granitedevices tells me the pid loops will work together if setup correctly
[04:51:22] <exco> homing is done through linuxcnc
[04:52:16] <exco> linuxcnc controls the vsd's via analog (differential signal)
[04:55:18] <archivist> using a mesa card? may be best to wait for pcw to wake up
[05:02:37] <archivist> also where is the encoder feed back going to, vsd or the mesa card, are you in velocity or torque mode
[05:07:13] <exco> yes, mesa card
[05:07:48] <exco> encoder feedback is going through vsd to mesa
[05:07:56] <exco> velocity mode
[05:32:26] <exco> any reason why my first 3 axis would ignore TYPE = ANGULAR?
[05:33:34] <archivist> dunno maybe the kins
[05:39:40] <archivist> you could define the order to be abcxyz, but dont know what your machine is
[05:40:07] <exco> 6dof robot
[05:40:44] <archivist> have you set the kins to one suitable
[05:42:17] <exco> genserkins
[05:47:53] <archivist> aren't they all angular therefore default to angular in that case
[05:49:21] <exco> I can only control the speed of axis 0-2 by setting step speed [mm/s] and [/s] for axis 3-5
[10:03:10] <evo4wrx> hi is there anyone from mesa online?
[10:03:58] <cradek> hi, always just go ahead and ask your real question
[10:04:36] <evo4wrx> im looking for a card capable of inetegration with 7 axis robotic arm running ASDA-2 Delta servo drives
[10:04:51] <evo4wrx> opencan would be fantastic but I dont believe the support of EMC2 is there yet
[10:05:11] <evo4wrx> I would prefer RS485 as the backup medium
[10:06:45] <evo4wrx> secondary axis feedback is also required...ie Encoder fixed to the rotaion axis of the harmonics gear reducer
[10:07:49] <cradek> cool, hang around and maybe someone will be able to offer some help
[10:08:32] <pcw_home> What interface options do the drives have?
[10:09:18] <evo4wrx> RS232 , opencan, PWM, RS485
[10:09:39] <evo4wrx> we have noice and site regulations which preclude certain mediums however
[10:09:43] <evo4wrx> noise
[10:10:46] <evo4wrx> opencan and RS485 were chose on throughput and industrial spec
[10:11:13] <pcw_home> can it do real time velocity mode with RS-485 (RS-485 is and electrical spec but whats the protocol? Modbus?)
[10:11:54] <evo4wrx> ill pull the pdf up one moment
[10:12:55] <pcw_home> it may only support PWM for real time (CAN is pretty slow)
[10:17:25] <evo4wrx> 1mbit would be more than enough for that many axis i would have thought
[10:18:25] <pcw_home> in position command mode sure
[10:18:48] <pcw_home> in real time feedback mode, probably not
[10:19:05] <evo4wrx> okay ill take any advice I can get
[10:19:36] <evo4wrx> http://www.delta.com.tw/product/em/motion/motion_servo/download/manual/DELTA_ASDA-A2_M_EN_20131011.pdf
[10:20:15] <pcw_home> Looks like it will do what they call position interpolation mode with CAN (PVT maybe)
[10:21:15] <evo4wrx> im using that drive coupled to 2kw AC servos 3000rpm normal 5000 RPM peak
[10:22:45] <evo4wrx> ive used delta DMCnet before and that hits speeds of 20mbit and daisey chains on.
[10:22:51] <evo4wrx> so its very very simple to interface
[10:23:01] <evo4wrx> of course their backend isint close to EMC2 linux
[10:23:21] <evo4wrx> and I require intergration back to Darpa and Gazebo
[10:29:13] <pcw_home> well looks like they can run in analog velocity mode or step/dir
[10:34:03] <evo4wrx> velocity mode uses a lot less bandwidth doesnt it?
[10:47:36] <pcw_home> Yes, the drive maintins the setpoint velocity between updates with a high bandwidth loop
[10:47:49] <pcw_home> maintains
[10:50:15] <evo4wrx> okay so which interface cards should i run with?
[10:50:56] <evo4wrx> thanks for the information btw ive been madly googling and reading up on your advice
[10:52:53] <pcw_home> well with our stuff the easiest way would probably be analog with encoder feedback (emulated encoder output from drive)
[10:53:53] <pcw_home> step/dir is another possibility but perhaps a bit more complicated to setup with feedback to linuxcnc if thats desires
[10:54:47] <evo4wrx> the only concern I have is due to the weight of the robotic platform and the backlash induced on the gear set i have no way of compensating unless i place an encoder on the final axis...ie the pivot axis
[10:55:51] <evo4wrx> so the instruction would be given in the interface to move to a particular angle then it would verify that movement by checking back encoder postion
[10:56:25] <evo4wrx> ive used emc2 for a filament winder and the 5i20 card
[10:56:33] <evo4wrx> but thats about the limit of my exposure there
[10:58:23] <evo4wrx> are you from mesa pcw?
[11:57:31] <exco> trying to figure out my denavit hartenberg parameters for my r15 ... I have no idea what I'm doing ;-)
[12:09:22] <t12> pcw_home: I tried sniffing the rs485 data from mitsu encoder, however the rs485 usb thing I got annoyingly cant operate at 2.5mbaud, just 2 or 3
[12:09:44] <t12> it can actually read bytes, and theres a pattern, but theres dropout due to the baud errors
[12:11:05] <t12> can rs485 be packet-banged out of the 7i76e UART? Ends up just being repeated requests to read uart registers?
[12:11:49] <pcw_home> is tha data 90 bits in a a row or 9 10 bit characters>
[12:12:00] <pcw_home> the data
[12:12:21] <t12> it is unclear
[12:12:36] <t12> depends on if/how its start/stop bitted? Does that even happen in these cases?
[12:12:37] <pcw_home> if you watch your scope when you rotate the shaft you shoud be able to see unchanging bits
[12:13:36] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/xjrtfhczsumj6eh/BnpVOse9dd
[12:14:37] <t12> i read that as it sending the binary position and some other state, not BCD or something like that
[12:16:07] <jdh> http://www.saleae.com/logic
[12:17:50] <pcw_home> Looks like more than 8 bits in the encoder data so it may be more like fanuc (a 90 bit UART in this case)
[12:18:12] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:18:44] <t12> that means any given message is always start / 90 bits / stop
[12:18:46] <t12> ?
[12:19:01] <pcw_home> looking at the encoder data while slow going from all ones to zero and back would help
[12:19:04] <pcw_home> slowly
[12:20:11] <t12> are you trying to see if theres fixed bits in the part that encodes the position
[12:20:12] <pcw_home> yes perhaps start 89 data bits and back to idle (stop)
[12:21:06] <pcw_home> Yes to see if its a bunch of 8 bit chars (with start and stop bits each) or a continuous stream
[12:21:13] <t12> ok
[12:21:15] <t12> i'll try and work that out
[12:21:24] <pcw_home> my bet is continuous
[12:21:27] <t12> maybe i can get the triggering stable and i can just avg it out on the scope
[12:21:49] <pcw_home> That might work
[12:22:23] <pcw_home> if continuous its really similar to Fanuc
[12:22:29] <t12> or i can set up the logic to get it to ttl and do it on the logic analyzer where its sane
[12:22:49] <t12> from the fpga perspective, does that mean you do a single read into a big register and dump it all out at once
[12:23:56] <pcw_home> well the fanuc interface is basically a 1-96 bit UART
[12:24:11] <pcw_home> so the data is read in 3 32 bit pieces
[12:25:06] <pcw_home> same data order as fanuc (LSb first)
[12:28:07] <pcw_home> It might be possible to add the functionality to support this in the Fanuc interface
[12:28:07] <pcw_home> (mainly add the xmit char option and RS-485 dir bit)
[12:28:36] <pcw_home> baud rate and data length are already programmable
[12:30:49] <t12> gotcha
[12:31:02] <t12> i will proceed with trying to sort out the details of the protocol, and hopefully capture the stuff thats non-position too
[12:31:22] <t12> main blocade being actually getting the data into a computer in a sane way
[12:39:35] <pcw_home> If i get a chance to play with an encoder I can make a config that can be read with a windows machine (7I43 USB or 7I80 are easiest here)
[12:39:36] <pcw_home> and will print the data in hex and binary
[12:40:27] <pcw_home> What connector do your encoders have? (wondering if the teeny motors have the same encoder)
[12:40:38] <skunkworks_> pcw_home: how has the 7i80 been working for you?
[12:41:01] <pcw_home> its a great config test device
[12:41:29] <skunkworks_> heh
[12:41:32] <pcw_home> since it does not require any special host machine
[12:41:36] <t12> they're some amp 9-pin uh
[12:41:38] <t12> i'll look it up
[12:41:56] <pcw_home> and is much much faster than the USB interfaced cards
[12:42:21] <t12> ok
[12:42:39] <pcw_home> some of the teeny motors on Ebay had the 3x3 amp looking connector
[12:42:41] <skunkworks_> huh - really? is the usb 1.0? theoretically - the usb2 should be faster than 100baseT
[12:42:50] <skunkworks_> *in theory
[12:42:52] <pcw_home> USB is polled
[12:43:02] <skunkworks_> that is cool
[12:43:13] <pcw_home> so you have to wait for the next train...
[12:43:17] <t12> AMP 1-172169-9 and mating part
[12:43:45] <t12> which is a somewhat annoying part to find it turns out
[12:44:05] <t12> i ordered spares, can send them up
[12:45:00] <t12> i have a 7i76e on order also, if its possible to dump from that
[12:46:03] <pcw_home> maybe... (if the 4 wire mode works)
[12:46:49] <pcw_home> the 7I76Es RS-422 port is 4 wire only (no enable)
[12:48:34] <t12> 4 wire should work
[12:50:35] <t12> i'll bug you once it shows up about firmware and pulling data from it? I'm assuming you just continuously ask for contents of some registers and reassemble?
[12:52:27] <IchGuckLive> someone got the 7i76E to work on linuxcnc
[12:52:46] <skunkworks_> testing here with current drivers seems to work. I have only been pwm-ing a led..
[12:52:57] <t12> my plan is to do the same
[12:53:04] <pcw_home> you send the request (either a write to a register or timed)
[12:53:05] <pcw_home> wait for data avail and then read the data registers
[12:53:37] <pcw_home> but I already have program for the fanuc that does that
[12:54:03] <IchGuckLive> skunkworks_: so no stepper jet moving
[12:54:08] <pcw_home> it can easily be hacked for the Misubishi
[12:54:35] <t12> ok
[12:54:58] <skunkworks_> IchGuckLive: it will probably be used in a servo system.. When we get that far.. (acroloc)
[12:55:31] <pcw_home> I have a Yaskawa motor (no drive) that is probably similar (2 wire usin a firewire connector)
[12:57:33] <pcw_home> but lacking a drive i have no idea what it needs to get a response
[12:57:35] <pcw_home> (its a cute little motor: 400W but the size of a smallish Newa 23 stepper)
[13:00:45] <t12> yah this one is the same
[13:00:56] <t12> HC-KFS43
[13:01:00] <t12> i guess thats a bit bigger than a 23
[13:01:07] <t12> but still suprised at density
[13:03:19] <Jymmm> Monkey Love... https://fbcdn-video-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-ash2/v/1244429_10201359085552760_852325538_n.mp4?oh=c8bdf1e69cb009abc43340da98bd5903&oe=525EE938&__gda__=1381952696_03a6e78fd55bf8017c7b092e7b03c22c
[13:08:59] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: the omron r7m-a10040 is the best 400W and cheep
[13:09:49] <IchGuckLive> But i shoudt say in 5 Years time i never got any revolution out of the 5 Servo system i bought about 800 Euros of grap
[13:10:33] <IchGuckLive> it turned at one time about a quater of rotation then the drive did fail and never got back out of the Error mode
[13:10:56] <pcw_home> Ebay gambling...
[13:10:58] <IchGuckLive> therfor i stay with stepeprs
[13:11:13] <IchGuckLive> it is indeed
[13:14:45] <pcw_home> Thats one reason its nice to reverse engineer some of these proprietary encoder protocols
[13:14:47] <pcw_home> makes the stuff more reparable or usable with different drives
[13:16:16] <IchGuckLive> try and error on a servo system is realy expensiv
[13:16:53] <archivist> there will be less error when stuff is reverse engineered
[13:35:08] <IchGuckLive> im off by
[14:19:14] <mrsun_> http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/9x20%20Lathe%20Retractable%20Tool%20Bit%20Holder.htm#Retracting_Tool_Bit_Animation nice =)
[14:19:28] <mrsun_> http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/ hes got some real machining porn =)
[14:20:17] <archivist> but he sure knows how to create bad web pages with too many images
[14:21:05] <mrsun_> :P
[14:22:13] <archivist> something is not completing on that page too
[14:23:17] <archivist> ah took the animation about 2 minutes to load
[14:52:13] <CaptHindsight> what problems do people generally have with servos? Encoder problems? I rarely use steppers.
[14:53:18] <jdh> probably combining random ebay servos with or without encoders with random ebay drives controlled by whatever they have already or somethign cheap.
[16:04:48] <andypugh> I am trying to fix a bug in the lcd display component, but I can't actually get my LCD to work.
[16:20:03] <Tom_itx> but you had it working once
[16:20:11] <t12> man sourcing tiny rubber flat washers is hard
[16:21:34] <t12> maybe i should just make a punch and do my own
[16:23:30] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Yes, I know.
[16:25:22] <_DJ_> gn8
[16:34:12] <andypugh> There is data on the pins, and the contrast-adjust pin is working, so I just have to guess that the LCD itself has gone bad, I suppose.
[17:02:43] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: TFT or STN?
[17:07:10] <andypugh> No idea
[17:08:20] <kwallace1> I guess you need an extra LCD for testing.
[17:09:35] <kwallace1> There should be a piece of equipment at work that has an LCD?
[17:09:56] <kwallace1> How far is it to work?
[17:13:55] <PCW> do you want me to try something here (have 7I73 and LCD setup)
[17:17:06] <andypugh> I have two, but I think I decided one was dead a while ago.
[17:17:16] <andypugh> I just ordred a couple more from eBay
[17:18:56] <andypugh> The ones I have were pretty cheap and look to have a 2001 maunfacturing date
[17:19:16] <kwallace1> I have a pile of old telecomm equipment with 40char x 2 LCDs. I can't use em nor throw them out.
[17:20:20] <kwallace1> Are all probing routines .ngc based?
[17:21:17] <skunkworks_> there might be some remapping ones in python?
[17:23:40] <kwallace1> Remapping meaning creating a custom M code?
[17:23:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.microrax.com/ to make even more wobbly machine frames!
[17:27:41] <kwallace1> A good understanding of triangulation could go a long way.
[17:35:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.muve3d.net/press/product/muve-1-3d-printer/#!prettyPhoto 1/5th the price of a Form1 and just as slow
[17:36:18] <kwallace1> Eeee. More Yodas.
[17:38:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20131015-become-the-coolest-geek-with-this-3d-printed-oscilloscope-watch.html at least it's not a Yoda
[17:40:19] <CaptHindsight> 1.28", 128x128 pixels hmm maybe I could get Axis to work on it
[17:41:09] <CaptHindsight> I don't think anyone has ever done (wanted) Linuxcnc on a watch before
[17:44:32] <kwallace1> I think it would be easier to do a pick and place clock on your mill.
[18:09:32] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: That tiny structural section looks like it could be very useful for the right sort of project
[18:16:08] <CaptHindsight> mini machines
[18:21:18] <CaptHindsight> but I'm sure most here would just machine their own die and extrude their own t-slot in the garage/basement
[18:49:23] <kwallace1> This is more like it. http://opensourcemachine.org/
[18:51:34] <kwallace1> http://opensourcemachine.org/mm2html2/How_to_build_a_multimachine.html
[18:51:57] <CaptHindsight> but can it make a Yoda?
[18:52:35] <andypugh> I think somebody from that project turne dup here a while ago.
[18:53:40] <CaptHindsight> there is a similar project that uses the other drive train parts as well
[18:54:08] <CaptHindsight> old cars are pretty much everywhere except in Antarctica
[18:56:30] <CaptHindsight> probably won't catch on since there is no mention of the RPi or an arduino :)
[18:58:52] <andypugh> I am waiting for a UDOO
[18:59:48] <andypugh> http://www.udoo.org/features/
[19:00:37] <andypugh> A Linux PC with an embedded Arduino. Looks like fun
[19:01:46] <CaptHindsight> Freescale i.MX 6 and Atmel SAM3X8E on the same board
[19:02:14] <CaptHindsight> not shipping yet?
[19:02:17] <andypugh> I don't know what I will use it for, but sounds like an interesting combination.
[19:02:25] <andypugh> Started shipping last week.
[19:02:44] <CaptHindsight> $99-129
[19:03:11] <CaptHindsight> I like the imx6 boards since they have SATA
[19:04:24] <andypugh> A kickstarter that raised 640,000 of ot 27,000 goal.
[19:04:30] <CaptHindsight> "76 Fully Available GPIO" also nice, many boards have limited GPIO or only USB and ethernet
[19:05:08] <kwallace1> I'm getting (borrowing) a new machine tomorrow.
[19:05:52] <kwallace1> A Tormach 770.
[19:08:40] <andypugh> PCW: It seems like that 8i20 I wasn't sure about gets a clean bill of health.
[19:09:36] <PCW> Ive forgotten what was wrong
[19:12:08] <CaptHindsight> imx6 + fpga board would be handy as well
[19:12:19] <CaptHindsight> <$100
[19:14:17] <andypugh> PCW: It looked like one arm of the bridge was down, at some angles I was seeing zero torque.
[19:15:02] <andypugh> But it seems to be fine now, testing with a bldc cfg="n" at 0.05Hz. There was torque at all angles.
[19:17:28] <PCW> Its not easy to have a intermittent on 320V signals that you don't notice
[19:23:20] <andypugh> I was running at a rather less frightening 55 volts: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261239532385
[19:27:08] <MacGalempsy> tonight will be the fun of going through the wiring loom with a lablemaker and a notebook
[19:28:21] <andypugh> Probbaly time well invested
[19:30:02] <MacGalempsy> Agreed. Later, when I get into it, I'll hookup google hangout with my laptop. if anyone wants to hangout with pointers, it would be cool.
[19:30:29] <MacGalempsy> there is a hangout for #reprap. this channel needs a kthx bot
[19:33:52] <CaptHindsight> anything resembling rerap in here would be starting it down a slippery slope
[19:35:52] <MacGalempsy> the nice thing about the bot is that you can link to answers if no one is here to help out
[19:36:11] <MacGalempsy> I guess there reoccuring topics come up all the time
[19:36:55] <CaptHindsight> there is also a mail list and the forums
[19:37:24] <CaptHindsight> there are even heated discussions as to why one it better than the others :)
[19:37:37] <MacGalempsy> sure
[19:39:32] <CaptHindsight> plus KTHX doesn't really help, >90% of the issues are about adhesion and nobody wants to actually discuss surface tension and how adhesion really works
[19:40:41] <kwallace1> Thinking of Hangouts, that reminds me of the meeting in Germany. Is that going on soon?
[19:40:55] <andypugh> This weekend, I believe
[19:41:04] <andypugh> I forgot to arrange to go.
[19:41:11] <CaptHindsight> I thought it already happened
[19:41:14] <andypugh> (and it's my dad's birthday too)
[19:41:50] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Integrator_Meeting_2013_Germany
[19:42:56] <kwallace1> It would be nice to schedule a Hangout there.
[19:44:07] <kwallace1> andypugh: It's just a stroll and a dip in the river for you.
[19:44:20] <andypugh> Aye, true enough.
[19:44:22] <CaptHindsight> how about next years fest in the US?
[19:44:38] <andypugh> I think next year's fest should be in the UK :-)
[19:44:51] <CaptHindsight> I'm in
[19:45:22] <CaptHindsight> London or in the 3rd World (Yorkshire)?
[19:46:06] <kwallace1> I wouldn't last that long in steerage.
[19:50:24] <MacGalempsy> http://tinyurl.com/o5rk3w9
[19:50:39] <MacGalempsy> that is the reprap hangout. many people just have their prints and printers going
[19:50:49] <MacGalempsy> kind of cool to discuss things and get pointers
[19:51:44] <CaptHindsight> MacGalempsy: anything other than Glue Guns in there?
[19:52:14] <MacGalempsy> not yet, but I will be moving out to the garage after dinner to catalogue and lable with a vengence on the benchman xt
[19:55:16] <MacGalempsy> join and leave heh
[19:55:55] <MacGalempsy> ok going to migrate to the garage
[20:23:38] <MacGalempsy_> alright. live feed on a machine
[20:23:46] <MacGalempsy_> but not a live machine...
[20:28:10] <kwallace1> Well it's working.
[20:28:44] <kwallace1> I don't have a cam or mic on this PC.
[20:29:53] <kwallace1> I'm getting dizzy.
[20:35:30] <PetefromTn> What are you doing that is making you dizzy?
[20:36:15] <kwallace1> I'm watching MacGalempy set up his camera for his Hangout linked above.
[20:37:45] <PetefromTn> HUh just dropped in here and been off for quite awhile so no idea.
[20:39:50] <kwallace1> MacGalempsy just got a Benchman XT mill from eBay. He has a Google Hangout set up while he explores the innards.
[20:43:38] <PetefromTn> linky?
[20:43:45] <kwallace1> http://tinyurl.com/o5rk3w9
[20:50:52] <PetefromTn> Thanks man. Never tried Google Hangout. Trying to get it configured here.
[20:52:10] <kwallace1> I use it once a week for meetings, but something changes every time we try it.
[20:53:44] <kwallace1> I don't have a camera or mic on this PC so I just watched for a while. There is a text chat available.
[20:55:45] <PetefromTn> I have a camera but I cannot seem to find this video. It says he is not online...
[20:56:03] <kwallace1> I'll try again.
[20:56:47] <PetefromTn> Yeah it also says he does not have any videos on there..
[20:57:11] <kwallace1> It seems to work for me. I just clicked the link, then the Join button.
[20:57:35] <PetefromTn> Is there a charge for these video calls?
[20:58:13] <PetefromTn> Okay nevermind it worked now LOL
[20:58:25] <kwallace1> No charge from Google.
[20:59:45] <kwallace1> Whatever you do _don't smile_ :)
[21:00:36] <PetefromTn> LOL is the video the electronics case you are looking at?
[21:00:49] <PetefromTn> Sorry I'm an ugly bastard..
[21:01:06] <kwallace1> Mac's is the green box.
[21:01:24] <kwallace1> He set up the camera then left.
[21:01:54] <PetefromTn> yeah but the camera is pointing at the electronics box green?
[21:02:01] <kwallace1> Yes.
[21:02:12] <PetefromTn> Cool... wheredego?
[21:02:34] <kwallace1> Who knows.
[21:02:39] <PetefromTn> could you see me?
[21:02:45] <kwallace1> Yes.
[21:02:53] <PetefromTn> I'm so terribly sorry...
[21:03:03] <PetefromTn> Pretty cool tho.
[21:03:13] <PetefromTn> So this machine is a boxford?
[21:03:19] <kwallace1> I'll get over it someday.
[21:03:25] <PetefromTn> LOL
[21:04:09] <kwallace1> It's a Benchman XT. I'll look for the eBay ad.
[21:04:41] <PetefromTn> is it CNC?
[21:04:56] <PetefromTn> nevermind..
[21:05:07] <PetefromTn> Heard of benchman before.
[21:05:13] <PetefromTn> Its a tiny machine no?
[21:05:24] <kwallace1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121183132008
[21:06:11] <kwallace1> Sort of. It's a bench top, but the enclosure makes it seem bigger.
[21:06:48] <PetefromTn> Holy smokes that thing is 10k?? Well it does have a toolchanger.
[21:08:09] <kwallace1> I believe Mac made a $5 offer then waited for the guy to give in.
[21:09:05] <PetefromTn> LOL we're a bunch of cheap asses huh
[21:09:28] <PetefromTn> Hey theres movement!!
[21:09:44] <kwallace1> I'm not wild about the R8 spindle, but that can be fixed. It has servos.
[21:10:14] <PetefromTn> Sweet....
[21:10:24] <PetefromTn> If its R8 maybe you can use TTS?
[21:11:37] <kwallace1> Yes, TTS will work.
[21:12:14] <kwallace1> I'm not sure the tool changer grippers will work.
[21:16:41] <kwallace1> Have Mac hold a tool holder up to the camera.
[21:17:13] <kwallace1> Oh no the hammer is out.