#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-09-15

[00:40:52] <uw> what is the difference between "feedrate" and "surface speed"?
[00:48:52] <kengu> uw: i don't know but does this help, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speeds_and_feeds
[00:50:09] <kengu> there is a good picture also
[00:54:45] <toastydeath> uw, feed rate is how fast the table is moving in relation to the cutting tool
[00:54:55] <toastydeath> it's how fast the tool is being pushed through the material
[00:55:14] <toastydeath> surface speed is the speed on the periphery of the tool
[00:55:43] <toastydeath> i.e how fast it's rotating, adjusted for tool diameter
[00:56:01] <toastydeath> a tiny endmill like a 3/16" can run around 2000 rpm without any problems
[00:56:22] <toastydeath> you can always cut more slowly
[00:56:27] <toastydeath> cutting faster causes problems
[00:56:31] <toastydeath> (in rpm)
[01:21:10] <uw> thank you toastydeath
[01:54:55] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:36:36] <JesusAlos> hi people
[03:36:48] <JesusAlos> I try a 5 axis configuration
[03:39:28] <JesusAlos> but in axis appears XYZ BCW
[03:39:53] <JesusAlos> What is C axis? I don't see eny move when manual jog in C axis
[04:18:28] <JesusAlos> are you in holidays?
[04:18:30] <JesusAlos> :)
[04:38:40] <kengu> who?
[04:38:42] <kengu> where?
[04:41:27] <JesusAlos> all you
[04:41:35] <JesusAlos> because no body speak
[04:47:47] <ReadError> well its like 2:30-5:30AM in the USA
[04:59:23] <JesusAlos> Sorry for wake up
[04:59:29] <JesusAlos> I'm in Spain
[04:59:55] <JesusAlos> (Europe)
[05:00:39] <kengu> you know. it is sundat
[05:00:40] <kengu> y
[05:01:53] <kengu> JesusAlos: but.. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FiveAxisGantry this or? this http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/10-advanced-configuration/19875-5-axis-kinematic or http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html#_axis_lt_num_gt_section_a_id_sub_axis_section_a
[06:18:58] <JesusAlos> have a question
[06:19:25] <JesusAlos> If linuxcnc have only tree rotation axis ABC
[06:19:41] <JesusAlos> How can control a robot with 6 axis rotation?
[06:21:46] <kengu> http://www.cnc-arena.com/en/forum/6-axis-arm-almost-there--191276.html
[06:22:38] <kengu> at least there is someone else with the same problem (solved)
[06:25:53] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Videos#Robots_and_other_special_kinematics_machines
[06:34:19] <jthornton> JesusAlos, looks at the puma and scara configurations for ideas
[06:35:56] <JesusAlos> thank
[08:20:31] <ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-MAGNETIC-Z-AXIS-DIAL-SETTER-0004-GAGE-offset-pre-setter-tool-CNC-NEW-/300748405853
[08:20:38] <ReadError> this looks handy
[08:29:36] <jthornton> I use this one but didn't buy it from him http://www.ebay.com/itm/04-Pro-Touch-Off-Gage-z-axis-CNC-tool-length-offset-pre-setter-Haas-endmill-/251237785226
[08:30:47] <jthornton> here he is http://www.edgetechnologyproducts.com/products.html
[08:39:31] <ReadError> yea ive seen that one, but would like something a bit lower profile
[08:39:37] <ReadError> so i can use on the router
[08:53:10] <Mjolinor> my pc packe dup so i changed it, same hard dosk so all my configs are good but I need to insert hte jitter somewhere I think
[08:53:26] <Mjolinor> I dont want to run stepconf as there are loads fo chagnes in my conf files
[08:53:43] <Mjolinor> so which file does the jitter number fit in?
[08:56:28] <ReadError> latency ?
[08:56:41] <Mjolinor> yup
[08:59:25] <ReadError> mine is in name.stepconf
[08:59:48] <ReadError> name="latency"
[09:00:19] <Mjolinor> ok, cheers, Ill go and look there
[09:00:33] <archivist> that I believe is not the one
[09:00:47] <Mjolinor> not sure I have a .stepconf file :) maybe I did it all manually or soemthing, its been a while
[09:00:51] <archivist> that is the one stepconf remembers
[09:01:10] <archivist> look in your ini and hal files
[09:01:40] <Mjolinor> I looked in the ini and hal files, not in there that i can see but I don't know what it is called
[09:02:14] <Mjolinor> thin I may take this opportunity to reinstall, I am still on EMC2 so tis pretty old
[09:03:47] <archivist> the jitter affects your base period etc
[09:04:16] <Mjolinor> so I suppose I will either have to redo stepconf or find how to calculate the values fomr the latency
[09:04:47] <Mjolinor> I used to know all this but like everything, once it is working the knowledge evaporates
[09:06:17] <archivist> you can make a new config and just compare it to the old and transfer anything you want
[09:06:59] <Mjolinor> was being lazy and hoping to avoid it :)
[09:07:32] <archivist> meld is a nice visual diff tool
[09:10:28] <archivist> I had to stop being lazy with one of the axes on my mill, stripped the rotaries off XY, took off Y, turned X 90 deg to new Y made a new X
[10:24:20] <JesusAlos> ReadError in my 5 axis machine don't have name.stepconf
[10:35:20] <JT-Shop> the file extension .stepconf is an XML file used by the StepConif Wizard to save and load the settings
[10:42:10] <skunkworks> it is not used in the actual running of linuxcnc.
[10:42:49] <skunkworks> There actually isn't a 'latency' setting in linuxcnc. it helps to calculate a sane base period.
[10:43:00] <JesusAlos> ok. and 5 axis machine don't configure with wizard
[10:43:58] <JesusAlos> I don't undertand where change latency value
[10:45:24] <skunkworks> are you having problems with the current setup? Latency gives you an idea of what to set the base period (absolute minimum) but you really should calculate your base period in relation to your maximum step frequency
[10:46:15] <skunkworks> (and the base period is in the ini file)
[10:58:06] <JesusAlos> ok.
[10:58:38] <JesusAlos> I configure a new 5axis machine
[10:59:44] <JesusAlos> and control manual + - increase value of each axis, but don't move machine
[11:00:27] <JesusAlos> you undestand my question?
[11:05:19] <skunkworks> what is the hardware?
[11:07:47] <JesusAlos> paralel port
[11:08:19] <JesusAlos> and stepper control motor
[11:09:16] <Loetmichel> JesusAlos: so simply power down the stepper drivers. move the "axis" and then power the steppers up again
[11:09:38] <Loetmichel> or short the step/dir pins for the time you dont want the steppers to move
[11:09:47] <Loetmichel> or did i misunderstand you?
[11:10:43] <JesusAlos> Loetmichel: you don't understand my question
[11:11:16] <JesusAlos> the problem is that can't move in manual jog
[11:11:56] <JesusAlos> and executing program run ok
[11:12:10] <Loetmichel> ah, misunderstood that
[11:12:39] <Loetmichel> i thought you WANTED to move the counters in linuxCNC but not the actual steppers
[11:14:17] <JesusAlos> that was not
[11:15:44] <Loetmichel> sorry, no idea whats the cause of that.
[11:16:04] <Loetmichel> hmmm, does the drivers have a enable charge-pump?
[11:16:20] <Loetmichel> maybe there is something going wrong?
[11:16:51] <Mjolinor> if you are new to it all then configure hte machine as an XYZ machine with stepconf adn make sure all is good, get back to the 5 axis once you have proved that
[11:17:59] <JesusAlos> in XYZ configuration run ok
[11:18:40] <JesusAlos> the issue is that in the graphical window, the machine don't move too
[11:18:44] <Mjolinor> so take the configs that stepconf makes and use them wiht linuxcnc, make sure that works
[11:18:54] <Mjolinor> then edit them to add oyur extra axes
[11:22:44] <JesusAlos> I create a default 5 axis machine. It run ok in automatic mode (executing g-code).
[11:23:44] <JesusAlos> in manual control jog no move phisical machine neither the graphical machine
[11:24:28] <JesusAlos> but values increase
[11:25:02] <Mjolinor> it seems the connections between your graphical display and linux cnc re incorrect but I am no way capable of inputting to that problem sorry
[11:25:34] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/271005
[11:25:37] <Mjolinor> does hte grap[hical display follow the shape when you run the gcode?
[11:26:08] <JesusAlos> yes, when run g-code ok
[11:26:49] <JesusAlos> but jog don't move enything, but values of axis increase
[11:27:09] <Mjolinor> but that display is only for 3 axis, not 5
[11:27:16] <Mjolinor> i think
[11:27:48] <Mjolinor> I do not htink that the preview window and hte 5 axis machine will connect properly
[11:28:17] <JesusAlos> no. is 5 axis
[11:28:20] <jthornton> there is a 9 axis sim using Axis
[11:28:27] <Mjolinor> ok
[11:28:59] <Mjolinor> just goes to prove how much I dont knwo about your problem n'est pas? :)
[11:29:47] <JesusAlos> thanks anyway
[11:30:27] <jthornton> JesusAlos, check dmesg after you try and jog to see if any errors are reported there
[11:32:01] <JesusAlos> ok
[11:32:25] <JesusAlos> to clear fisrt is: clear dmesg?
[11:42:22] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[11:42:28] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/TyF9DkwS
[11:42:47] <IchGuckLive> hi JesusAlos
[11:42:50] <JesusAlos> hi
[11:45:36] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: 5 axis
[11:46:06] <IchGuckLive> BCXYZ with W tool length cpomp
[11:46:41] <IchGuckLive> Geometry needts to know the rotation first and BC != CB
[11:49:55] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: still here ? did you update ypur system and get rid of dwelloc with the axis hack
[11:50:29] <IchGuckLive> the new 5axis kinetiks is after 2.5.2
[11:50:52] <IchGuckLive> so you are not on this with the axis dwelloc hack
[11:54:33] <JesusAlos> I still here, but are thinking in your words
[11:54:34] <IchGuckLive> i see you are on 2.5.3
[11:55:19] <IchGuckLive> i hope that all the work of dwelloc is not lost to you and you used a other computer to update
[11:55:35] <JesusAlos> I don't doing proves with dwelloc
[11:55:44] <JesusAlos> is clean 5axis installation
[11:55:47] <IchGuckLive> then its ok
[11:56:09] <IchGuckLive> only sim or is a mashine on it
[11:56:21] <JesusAlos> and other PC
[11:56:44] <JesusAlos> only sim
[11:57:16] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1DCXe9t3UE
[11:57:19] <Tecan> (R1DCXe9t3UE) "PMC Mini 5-axis CNC machining (小型五軸加工)" by "YU-AN Liu" is "Tech" - Length: 0:04:18
[11:58:08] <IchGuckLive> at 1:22 Linuxcnc jumps in
[11:59:41] <IchGuckLive> at 1:30 there is TK vismach with syncronizized §D 5axis view
[12:00:29] <IchGuckLive> 3D visualisation og the mashine g-code axis movement by emc axis hack to the python module
[12:03:02] <IchGuckLive> i can provide the python if someone likes
[12:10:17] <Mjolinor> I've jsut done a new install and my Axis preview is screwed, flashing and disappearing in bits when I move it
[12:10:26] <Mjolinor> Any suggestions? Google isn't helping
[12:11:29] <IchGuckLive> 10.04 2.5.3
[12:11:35] <Mjolinor> yup
[12:12:05] <Mjolinor> just wondering if it is anything to do with me copying my old configs over fmor EMC2
[12:12:06] <IchGuckLive> restart and update your graphic mode
[12:12:31] <Mjolinor> update the graphics mode where?
[12:12:38] <IchGuckLive> in synaptic
[12:12:50] <Mjolinor> it's all updated
[12:14:13] <IchGuckLive> lspci | grep VGA
[12:14:15] <JesusAlos> IchGuckLive: http://videobin.org/+6vx/8ik.html
[12:15:44] <Mjolinor> it jsut says "via technologies"
[12:17:57] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: the homing is fail in the sim
[12:19:54] <IchGuckLive> NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1 on W ?
[12:21:12] <IchGuckLive> [TRAJ] put it there
[12:21:50] <IchGuckLive> Mjolinor: the ooutpu of the lspci ?
[12:22:35] <JesusAlos> Why?
[12:22:41] <JesusAlos> I try homing
[12:22:42] <Mjolinor> yes
[12:22:47] <IchGuckLive> to see the sim effect
[12:24:25] <JesusAlos> I don't have this statement in .ini file
[12:24:33] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: did you use the sim 9axis hoe sequence
[12:25:02] <IchGuckLive> NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1 in the traj section and then restart mashine
[12:26:09] <JesusAlos> ok it run
[12:26:49] <JesusAlos> why is it?
[12:26:53] <JesusAlos> what reason
[12:27:09] <IchGuckLive> the sim does not home the W
[12:27:46] <JesusAlos> see the video
[12:27:52] <IchGuckLive> W is joint 8
[12:28:01] <JesusAlos> the other problem is that in jog manual dont move nothing
[12:28:29] <IchGuckLive> use the Axis insted of joint and you will see
[12:29:46] <JesusAlos> I don't understand this
[12:30:41] <IchGuckLive> your mashine is setup by joint 0-7 0=x 7=V
[12:33:09] <JesusAlos> X=0 Y=1 Z=2 B=4 C=5 W=8
[12:33:16] <JesusAlos> use 9 axis
[12:33:27] <IchGuckLive> yes
[12:37:21] <JesusAlos> you say I must use Axis insted joint?
[12:37:31] <JesusAlos> for jog move?
[12:37:39] <IchGuckLive> better for g-coding and ini view
[12:37:50] <IchGuckLive> start by 9 axis sim
[12:51:48] <JesusAlos> ping #linuxcnc
[12:52:15] <IchGuckLive> you are here
[12:56:36] <JesusAlos> yes
[12:56:47] <JesusAlos> i thinking desconect
[12:57:07] <JesusAlos> I don't know what you refer to move axis
[13:03:19] <IchGuckLive> did you look in simulated home
[13:07:58] <IchGuckLive> it works here i send you a mail
[13:10:15] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: mail is out
[13:10:57] <JesusAlos> gmail?
[13:11:02] <IchGuckLive> yes
[13:13:40] <JesusAlos> is linuxcnc 2.5.3 version?
[13:13:52] <IchGuckLive> does not matter
[13:13:58] <IchGuckLive> for sim
[13:16:12] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/271008
[13:16:19] <JesusAlos> look
[13:16:54] <IchGuckLive> sim spindel
[13:18:00] <IchGuckLive> hide the spindel encoder in the ini
[13:19:10] <IchGuckLive> DELITE this -> HALFILE = sim_spindle_encoder.hal in the main ini HAL section
[13:19:47] <IchGuckLive> im on 2.6
[13:21:08] <JesusAlos> yes
[13:21:21] <IchGuckLive> and does it work
[13:21:52] <JesusAlos> work
[13:22:00] <JesusAlos> but only homed XYZ axis
[13:22:00] <JesusAlos> no CBW
[13:22:52] <IchGuckLive> cand belive here it works fine here with your given files
[13:23:10] <IchGuckLive> cbw is shown but not homed or
[13:23:54] <JesusAlos> wait
[13:24:33] <IchGuckLive> dont upsaid with the files put the hole folder to the config
[13:24:40] <IchGuckLive> and work inside the folder
[13:31:07] <JesusAlos> http://videobin.org/+6vy/8in.html
[13:37:58] <IchGuckLive> this is how it shout work
[13:38:05] <IchGuckLive> SMILE
[13:38:06] <IchGuckLive> B)
[13:38:34] <IchGuckLive> you can now autohome B C W by putting 3 more comps in
[13:38:57] <JesusAlos> ok
[13:39:02] <JesusAlos> :)
[13:39:22] <JesusAlos> but, Why the axis Z and W describes the same trajectory?
[13:39:31] <IchGuckLive> yes
[13:39:39] <IchGuckLive> W is the tool lengt along Z
[13:39:49] <IchGuckLive> to fit your CAM
[13:40:15] <IchGuckLive> W shoudt be calibrated at 100
[13:40:35] <Chemeleon> www.chemeleon.net/cncCarver_wip38.jpg finally came up with edge geometry for the puzzle generator that cuts nicely :)
[13:41:01] <IchGuckLive> Chemeleon: did you see my animation for you
[13:41:06] <JesusAlos> ok. so when move C axys say: can't move lock axis
[13:41:12] <Chemeleon> the gears one? yea, thanks :)
[13:41:19] <IchGuckLive> NP
[13:41:37] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: unloock it firs
[13:41:42] <IchGuckLive> t
[13:41:47] <Chemeleon> think I'm going to stick with direct drive for this small machine for simplicity, but going to have to keep that in mind in the future
[13:42:07] <Chemeleon> incidentally, pretty much done with its design, though I'm sure I'll mess with it a little more up until I start building it next month
[13:42:13] <IchGuckLive> direkt is always a hint on step pull
[13:42:19] <Chemeleon> http://chemeleon.net/diycamCNC_wip7.jpg
[13:42:25] <IchGuckLive> its wors to do a timingbelt
[13:43:09] <Chemeleon> numbers currently put it at $975 buying everything at retail, so hit my target price goal
[13:43:10] <JesusAlos> how unlock a axis?
[13:43:14] <Chemeleon> of course, I almost never buy at retail :)
[13:45:22] <jthornton> LOCKING_INDEXER = 1 - When this is set to 1 a G0 move for this axis will initiate an unlock with axis.N.unlock pin then
[13:45:22] <jthornton> wait for the axis.N.is-unlocked pin then move the axis at the rapid rate for that axis. After the move the axis.N.unlock will be
[13:45:22] <jthornton> false and motion will wait for axis.N.is-unlocked to go false. Moving with other axes is not allowed when moving a locked
[13:45:22] <jthornton> rotary axis.
[13:46:02] <IchGuckLive> thanks JT
[13:46:20] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: just unhide the ini word at AXIS4
[13:49:12] <JesusAlos> ok
[13:49:20] <JesusAlos> thank very much
[13:49:49] <IchGuckLive> NP
[13:50:02] <JesusAlos> but, why no run ok the default 5 axis configuration?
[13:52:26] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: i did autohoming of all axis i send you the files
[13:52:51] <JesusAlos> yes
[13:53:30] <JesusAlos> I refer the linuxcnc default machine 5 axis
[13:54:04] <IchGuckLive> mail is out
[13:54:24] <IchGuckLive> noone updates the sim files
[13:54:33] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: how can I monitor the traffic over my d-link router
[13:54:39] <IchGuckLive> so it is posible that they may fail
[13:54:58] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: in the logs
[13:55:23] <JT-Shop> for the router?
[13:55:33] <IchGuckLive> Dl 604
[13:56:08] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, wireshark
[13:56:22] <IchGuckLive> dlink has a own tool
[13:56:31] <IchGuckLive> ok im off BY
[13:56:40] <IchGuckLive> Wife is calling more and more
[13:56:42] <IchGuckLive> BY
[13:57:16] <Tom_itx> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wireshark/
[13:57:35] <JT-Shop> thanks Tom_itx
[13:58:34] <JesusAlos> by
[14:11:14] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, ppl stealing your wifi?
[14:11:41] <JT-Shop> dunno, I doubt that no one close enough to pick that up
[14:29:17] <JT-Shop> I have a 10GB cap and ran out in the middle of the month added 2GB more Friday and .9 is gone all ready and I was not even here
[14:31:05] <Tom_itx> hmm
[14:31:35] <Tom_itx> somebody's using it up
[14:31:56] <Tom_itx> your site isn't home based is it?
[14:32:21] <JT-Shop> no, it is hosted on webhost4life
[14:33:17] <Tom_itx> webshark will generate a hefty log file for you
[14:35:05] <JT-Shop> stuff like that only logs by computer right?
[14:35:57] <Tom_itx> i think it will log every packet
[14:36:07] <Tom_itx> source / destination
[14:38:43] <Tom_itx> you can filter it as well but i've never messed with that part
[14:44:30] <JT-Shop> got rid of dropbox
[14:45:23] <Tom_itx> was that eating bits?
[14:46:40] <JT-Shop> I read on wildblue that is one of the offending programs
[14:48:18] <JT-Shop> linux had nethogs to monitor usage so that is easy to do
[14:49:05] <JT-Shop> some people report excessive usage even with the computer and router shut off when they go on vacation!
[14:51:46] <Tom_itx> how is that possible?
[14:52:07] <JT-Shop> dunno still reading
[14:54:46] <Jymmm> jthornton: What are you looking for?
[14:56:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Are you looking to monitor bandwidth usage?
[15:00:25] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Use MRTG if your router supports snmp, http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/
[15:02:14] <Jymmm> jthornton: Realize that inbound traffic (hack attempts) also count for bandwidth usage as well.
[15:06:05] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: yes at the dlink if possible so I get a total
[15:07:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: MRTG does a nice job of that http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/doc/mrtg-traffic-sum.en.html
[15:07:24] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: It can even email you, you can set thresholds, etc
[15:07:43] <JT-Shop> reading it now
[15:08:03] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: example http://www.six.sk/mrtg/aggregated.html
[15:08:58] <JT-Shop> that is average, I think I need total per period
[15:10:39] <Jymmm> You can setup for whatever you need.
[15:10:44] <JT-Shop> so run mrtg from Ubuntu?
[15:12:24] <Jymmm> Does your router support SNMP?
[15:12:52] <JT-Shop> lol dunno it is a dlink dir-632
[15:13:19] <JT-Shop> mrtg is in the Ubuntu package manager :)
[15:13:51] <Tom_itx> i got tired of off the shelf routers
[15:15:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax
[15:15:22] <Tom_itx> cheaper than cisco
[15:16:07] <JT-Shop> neat
[15:16:36] <Tom_itx> http://abottlerocket.net/2013/04/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-review/
[15:17:17] <Tom_itx> you gotta set it up
[15:17:25] <Tom_itx> if i can, anybody can
[15:18:00] <Tom_itx> also got their wifi thingy
[15:18:46] <JT-Shop> one of mine is an 8 port with wifi and the other is a 4 port with wifi
[15:18:57] <Tom_itx> i got a pile of em too
[15:19:12] <Tom_itx> i have a 24port switch under the desk
[15:19:16] <Tom_itx> not Gbit
[15:19:46] <Tom_itx> do have a 4-5port Gbit switch by the server though
[15:21:01] <Tom_itx> UniFi is the wifi i have
[15:21:32] <Tom_itx> poe
[15:21:56] <Tom_itx> i was being swamped with wifi in the neighborhood
[15:22:07] <Tom_itx> not a hitch now
[15:22:30] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Doens't look like it has SNMP, and OpenWrt is ALPHA for it, it's also only 10/100 on the ether ports, not gigabit. http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/d-link/dir-632
[15:25:23] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: But, your modem might have SNMP. And that's where you really want to meter from anyway.
[15:26:45] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: And almost everyone meters using 95 Percentile anyway.
[15:27:04] <JT-Shop> what does that mean in plain speak?
[15:27:43] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://blog.ubiquityservers.com/95th-percentile-explained/
[15:29:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: SNMP is like the ODB2 port on a car. MRTG is like the scanner that reads the cars computer for failure codes.
[15:38:35] <JT-Shop> ok, I have it installed on my Ubuntu machine reading the docs now
[15:39:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You *HAVE* to have a device that supports snmp.
[15:40:46] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Buying a car scanner does you no good for use on a 1972 Pinto, mkay =)
[15:41:18] <Tom_itx> i doubt there are any left
[15:41:23] <Tom_itx> most burned to the ground
[15:41:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I've actually seen a few wagons around, in MINT cindition
[15:43:20] <andypugh> The wagons would have had the fuel tank somewhere else, of course.
[15:44:19] <JT-Shop> ok got it
[15:45:10] <Tom_itx> i witnessed a cheby citation catch fire
[15:45:24] <Tom_itx> burned a tree down beside it
[15:45:48] <Tom_itx> city vehicle stopped to read a meter, dump truck sideswiped the trunk causing sparks and rupturing the tank
[15:46:26] <andypugh> My boss and a colleague were driving a test car back from Finland and saw one of our previous models pull into a garage on fire and burn.
[15:46:34] <Tom_itx> was a righteous weenie roast
[15:47:32] <andypugh> Turbo diesels have at least two ways to simply set fire to themselves.
[16:12:15] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:16:14] <false> hey guys
[16:16:32] <false> pcw_home: you in?
[17:09:44] <JesusAlos> hi