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[01:54:31] <DJ9DJ> moin
[04:05:07] <Mjolinor> can nayone give me a minimum recommended spec fo rthe PC please
[04:05:22] <Mjolinor> My cnc router PC jsut packed up so I need to go insearch of another
[04:05:59] <Tom_itx> the intel atom D525 was a sweet board if you can still find one
[04:06:16] <Mjolinor> decision is whether to stick withthe disk out of the old machine and reconfigure it for the right drivers or to do a enw install of the latest version. The version I was using was the last one that was called EMC2 before the name was changed
[04:06:49] <Tom_itx> i'd probably update it, but that's just me
[04:06:50] <Mjolinor> Ill have to replace the PC as the one I was using was a small HP e-pc42, no chance fo getting parts sadly
[04:06:59] <Tom_itx> get any improvements that were made along the way
[04:07:24] <Mjolinor> so I searched for a minimum spec on linuxcnc and came up empty
[04:07:50] <Mjolinor> I guess anything P4 or better would do unless they made a lot of changes since last time I installed
[04:08:23] <Tom_itx> older seems better but you _do_ want low latency
[04:09:08] <Mjolinor> I also need parallel port which limits thigns soemwhat :)
[04:10:19] <Mjolinor> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hardware_Requirements
[04:10:21] <Mjolinor> found it :)
[04:10:49] <Mjolinor> hmm, it says P3 will do, I jsut may have one of those kicking about
[05:12:49] <ReadError> question
[05:12:55] <ReadError> G64 vs G61
[05:13:16] <ReadError> is it better to use the "lookahead" rather than a constant velocity for routing?
[05:57:43] <jthornton> ReadError, LinuxCNC doesn't have constant velocity or lookahead
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/User_Concepts.html
[06:02:47] <ReadError> ah i was reading this
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TrajectoryControl
[06:04:26] <ReadError> I was looking over my past gcode, and neither G61 or G64 where specified
[06:04:34] <ReadError> im trying cambam and it has this option
[06:07:52] <jthornton> if your running lots of short lines/arc it is best to specify what you want the trajectory planner to do
[06:11:52] <jthornton> if nothing is put in the preamble then you get G64 = go as fast as you can
[06:12:17] <Tom_itx> which is default?
[06:12:51] <jthornton> you should always have a preamble
http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen01.html
[06:13:01] <jthornton> G64 is default
[06:15:29] <ReadError> is there any MDI code to specify the feed override % ?
[06:15:48] <ReadError> like using the mouse I can select 13 or 18%
[06:16:01] <ReadError> nothing in between that though
[06:16:21] <jthornton> in Axis click on Help > Quick Reference
[06:18:02] <ReadError> yea I know I can cycle though using the # keys
[06:18:11] <ReadError> but if I wanted 15 for example
[06:19:45] <jthornton> `I don't know of any way to change feed override in G code
[06:31:35] <ReadError> looks like it can be changed via hal
[07:26:38] <jthornton> searching and searching for info on Glade Gtk Python radio button and to my surprise I find what I need in the LinuxCNC manual
[07:29:47] <skunkworks> heh
[07:39:56] * jthornton loves the python gtk guessing game "what is correct to use with..."
[08:06:51] <gonzo_> any UK users in here... Could you recommend the best way to buy mesa cards in the UK? Direct from US or is there a UK supplier?
[08:16:23] <jthornton> anyone want to play with my mill G code generator?
[08:19:53] <ReadError> sure
[08:23:22] <jthornton> just a sec, I'll compress it and upload what I have so far
[08:25:20] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/shop/files/mill.zip
[08:25:50] <jthornton> what I'm working on atm is the tapping section
[08:26:39] <jthornton> tap select works, the hole setup page works and the locations work
[08:28:34] <ReadError> ahh need to grab python
[08:33:34] <jthornton> well I have a few errors yet
[08:35:11] <skunkworks> huh - macona seems to be siding on linuxcnc now..
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/60666-Yaskawa-Servo-Project
[08:36:49] <ReadError> was thinking about grabbing a mesa card
[08:36:57] <ReadError> not sure 5i25 or 6i25 though
[08:37:50] <jthornton> ok, typos fixed and uploaded
[08:44:00] <ReadError> do you use github?
[08:44:33] <jthornton> me? no
[08:44:41] <jthornton> new not know how
[08:45:03] <ReadError> they have guis and such for it, makes it pretty easy
[08:48:50] <jthornton> does github interfere with git that I use for linuxcnc?
[08:49:19] <cradek> github is a website and git server, a lot like the linuxcnc project has
[08:50:10] <jthornton> thanks
[08:51:15] <ReadError> it will make things easier to manage, you can just push your changes to git with a tag "fixed ____"
[08:54:08] <jthornton> https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git
[08:59:43] <ReadError> another thing is, say skunkworks takes your code and adds a feature in his fork
[08:59:50] <ReadError> you can pull those changes back in to the master
[09:00:34] <ReadError> if you wanted to update the version you have on your linuxcnc computer, you just type 'git pull'
[09:00:37] <ReadError> and you are up to day
[09:00:39] <ReadError> date*
[09:19:22] <jthornton> how do you pull from the new repository in github?
[09:19:57] <jthornton> https://github.com/jethornton/Mill-G-code-Generator
[09:20:49] <jthornton> git remote add origin
https://github.com/username/Hello-World.git
[09:25:49] <ReadError> http://www.sourcetreeapp.com/
[09:26:19] <jthornton> I use git gui now
[09:29:00] <jthornton> that's windows and mac
[11:04:00] <rick_> hi to all
[11:05:01] * archivist goes to fetch All back from the pub
[11:13:17] <rick_> anyone to know how to apply souceforge pathces
[11:13:25] <rick_> patches
[11:13:57] <cradek> it really depends on the type of patch
[11:15:03] <rick_> hi cradek, want to try mb2hal , its posible apply to 2.5.3 or only to master
[11:17:10] <cradek> I don't know. wherever you got the patch should say what it's against. otherwise you will have to guess and check.
[11:17:34] <cradek> it's possible it works on either
[11:18:58] <rick_> well will try
[11:22:18] <rick_> it has patch extensions
[11:22:55] <rick_> details are inside file, file is from sourceforge
[11:29:40] <rick_> go to get some food
[11:40:36] <JesusAlos> hi boys and girls
[11:41:24] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[11:45:13] <archivist> there are a number of logs
http://emclog.archivist.info/
[11:45:34] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: ich war nie in einer deutschen schule auser beruflich
[11:45:51] <IchGuckLive> archivist thanks
[11:50:24] <JesusAlos> hey. Why in linuxcnc properties the machining time is 0?
[11:50:51] <cradek> anything weird about your gcode?
[11:50:59] <IchGuckLive> hi JesusAlos weather in spain wars bvad this week
[11:51:57] <IchGuckLive> cradek: only xyz is regionised no uvw
[11:52:12] <IchGuckLive> on my foam its alway zero
[11:53:27] <cradek> interesting
[11:55:23] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: hmmm
[11:55:49] <Loetmichel> so your english is learend how?
[11:57:01] <IchGuckLive> 6 weeks on the route 66
[11:59:28] <IchGuckLive> hi 1JTAAVZFF welcome to the CNC control chatroom
[12:00:18] <JesusAlos> Yes we go to autumn season
[12:00:23] <JesusAlos> :(
[12:00:33] <JesusAlos> as you
[12:00:41] <IchGuckLive> did the vuelta pass your town this year
[12:00:57] <JesusAlos> :( no
[12:01:19] <JesusAlos> finish this Sunday in Madrid
[12:01:47] <IchGuckLive> ive seen so many empty beatches
[12:01:48] <JesusAlos> about tree hours from valencia
[12:10:00] <JesusAlos> but wy o seconds in properties machine?
[12:10:13] <JesusAlos> sorry for my english
[12:10:25] <IchGuckLive> show us your g-code
[12:14:17] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: did you find out more about the img23d Vid
[12:15:39] <JesusAlos> I don't have now the G-code
[12:15:47] <JesusAlos> out off ofice
[12:15:55] <JesusAlos> what do you think?
[12:15:57] <IchGuckLive> take yiour rest
[12:16:21] <IchGuckLive> if it is the dwelloc mashine it is the axis hack
[12:17:24] <JesusAlos> not dwelloc
[12:17:34] <JesusAlos> is 3 axys virgin machine
[12:17:45] <IchGuckLive> then its on your code
[12:18:05] <IchGuckLive> 2.5.?
[12:18:13] <JesusAlos> 2.5.5
[12:18:16] <JesusAlos> yes
[12:18:30] <IchGuckLive> 2.5.3 is the master
[12:18:55] <IchGuckLive> so you pulled agit
[12:19:24] <IchGuckLive> that shout give you a 2.6 pre
[12:19:25] <JesusAlos> sorry, yes the last
[12:19:33] <JesusAlos> 2.5.3
[12:21:31] <JesusAlos> wich g-code determine the time delay of machining?
[12:22:06] <IchGuckLive> no guess at all the Wizzardbullet is in repair o.O
[12:22:54] <jthornton> see you guys Sunday
[12:23:05] <IchGuckLive> By tD
[12:24:52] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: its a calculation on interpreters distance values G0 G1
[12:25:13] <IchGuckLive> Drillings are not calculated
[12:32:11] <IchGuckLive> oh i checkt G83 is on milltime check
[12:33:23] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:34:52] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: G4 is the Time delay
[12:35:17] <IchGuckLive> in seconds
[12:35:24] <IchGuckLive> G4 P2
[12:35:28] <IchGuckLive> wait 2 sec
[12:37:34] <JesusAlos> no need delay, only know the total time machining
[12:37:50] <JesusAlos> ok. Thank IchGuckLive
[12:38:06] <IchGuckLive> G17 triggers the interpreters value xyz
[12:39:33] <JesusAlos> ok. now my wife is calling to me
[12:39:40] <JesusAlos> tomorow try it
[12:39:45] <JesusAlos> thank
[12:39:50] <IchGuckLive> NP
[12:39:53] <JesusAlos> By
[12:41:14] <pcw_home> buy
[12:41:33] <skunkworks_> bi
[12:41:47] <IchGuckLive> Yuup!
[12:48:07] <jdh> whatver works for you.
[13:13:06] <Jymmm> I can't stand greasy feeling lotions. This stuff is great
http://www.amazon.com/Carmex-Skin-Healing-Cream-Ounce/dp/B0041YMUMM
[13:13:53] <Jymmm> and works really well for dried (almost bleeding) skin
[13:14:27] <IchGuckLive> advertise by Jymmm
[13:14:56] <IchGuckLive> folks does seagate belong to samsung
[13:15:33] <Jymmm> ve7it: Lawernce!!!
[13:15:47] <ve7it> Jymmm,
[13:16:10] <ve7it> what is cooking in California?
[13:16:36] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Nah, I've been looking for years for a good lotion that isn't greasy. That really works
[13:17:12] <Jymmm> ve7it: Same old shit. Was considering the YouKits Analyizer, but some say it wigs out on 10m
[13:17:21] <Jymmm> 10-12m
[13:17:39] <IchGuckLive> grease is best for CNC
[13:19:37] <Jymmm> ve7it: I'll probably end up looking for one of these instead
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamtune/1146.html
[13:21:13] <ve7it> Jymmm, what type of antenna are you planning on?
[13:21:35] <Jymmm> ve7it: Fishenna, maybe longwire
[13:22:39] <Jymmm> ve7it: somethign like this antenna (16ft)
http://i46.tinypic.com/2rc7cb4.jpg
[13:22:59] <Jymmm> ve7it: But I have no balun or tuner
[13:24:23] <IchGuckLive> oh i got a ft817 right next to me on work
[13:24:42] <ve7it> Jymmm, that should be a useful piece of gear.
[13:24:54] <Jymmm> ve7it: which?
[13:26:09] <ve7it> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamtune/1146.html seems ok
[13:26:27] <IchGuckLive> i woudt not put the ft817 on top of tha battery
[13:26:59] <IchGuckLive> maybee shielded notbook
[13:27:02] <Jymmm> ve7it: Yeah, for base use. But not so much portable/mobile
[13:27:14] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: thats not my photo
[13:27:48] <IchGuckLive> are you online on ham 30ft dipos is up
[13:28:48] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Huh?
[13:29:00] <IchGuckLive> 28 MHz bis 29,7 MHz
[13:29:38] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: No, I have no antenna, no tuner, no balun, no swr meter. Just a rig
[13:29:55] <IchGuckLive> ok
[13:30:21] <Jymmm> I do have a 16ft fishingpole and a spool of 18ga wire =)
[13:30:45] <IchGuckLive> thats good for the fire dep
[13:31:35] <Jymmm> I have V/UHF setup
[13:31:51] <Jymmm> Just not HF
[13:32:39] <IchGuckLive> HR28 COMET
[13:36:25] <IchGuckLive> im off By
[14:15:28] <joebog> morning all, OK so my power supply and driver boards work
[14:16:26] <joebog> BUT I have problems ! the software recognises the driver boards and it worked immediately, but the motors chatter and dont run smoothly
[14:17:48] <joebog> I have played about with timing ( but dont know what Im doing ) and improved things very slightly
[14:24:59] <andypugh> joebog: try much lower velocity and accel numbers.
[14:25:31] <andypugh> Also, what step time and step pace did you specify? And what is your base period?
[14:25:41] <joebog> er hmm which ones are they ?
[14:26:08] <joebog> I played about with those figures for several hours
[14:26:31] <andypugh> Playing about isn't the solution. You need to put in the right numbers.
[14:26:46] <joebog> agreed
[14:27:57] <andypugh> So, what numbers did you use, and where did you get them from?
[14:28:11] <joebog> also , the x channel seems to work best, the y channel is worse and the z axis mostly vibrates rather than rotates, BUT it does sort of go in the right directions
[14:28:27] <joebog> I started with default numbers
[14:28:32] <andypugh> It sounds like you are trying to move far too fast.
[14:28:52] <joebog> as they are measured in time I changed them in increments
[14:29:37] <joebog> hhmm jitter is about 45000 if thats any help
[14:29:49] <andypugh> Divide all the speeds and accels by 10. Set the step time and step space to 10000 (10 thousand) and then see what happens.
[14:30:06] <joebog> OK I will do
[14:30:12] <andypugh> Your jitter is a tad high.
[14:30:24] <andypugh> On the limit of usability, in fact.
[14:30:27] <joebog> so if that improves you suggest even slower ? maybe ?
[14:31:40] <andypugh> As you have given us no clue what numbers you are using (or what units) it is hard to be sure if you are anywhere close to sane values.
[14:32:15] <joebog> the defaults were in ns ( nano seconds)
[14:32:23] <joebog> the units I do remember :)
[14:32:45] <joebog> but like all beginners just jumped in at the deep end and didnt write them down
[14:34:52] <andypugh> I was meaining machine units. mm or inches. It makes quite a big difference to what looks like a sensible axis speed.
[14:35:26] <andypugh> 20mm/sec is quite slow, 20 inches/sec is quite fast
[14:35:32] <joebog> mm but I also tried inches
[14:35:53] <joebog> yep yep I understood that
[14:36:00] <joebog> and tweaked accordingly
[14:36:28] <joebog> Ill write things down next time
[14:36:49] <andypugh> Try 10,000 nS for step and space, 10mm/sec velocities and 50mm/sec accels. If you can't manage those numbers you need to re-think.
[14:39:03] <joebog> by manage you mean my brain or my hardware ?
[14:39:12] <joebog> nope Im not offended :D
[14:43:53] <joebog> anyway Ill try that today and go from there, Ill keep ya posted thanks again for your time and advice
[16:39:06] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[19:16:12] <rick___> hi to all
[19:17:21] <rick___> :((
[19:20:49] <rick___> anyone know how to apply a patch
[19:21:13] <rick___> i have download mb2hal an it has patch extension
[19:21:42] <rick___> get it fron sourceforge
[19:24:41] <rick___> i the command patch -p0 < patch.patch correct?
[19:24:45] <rick___> is
[19:26:09] <roycroft> it can be
[19:26:15] <roycroft> but sometimes it isn't
[19:26:47] <roycroft> it depends on what directory you're currently in, and where the file(s) to be patched live relative to your cwd
[19:39:36] <rick___> i think to stay in home and let the file in home too
[20:17:12] <rick___> could it be -p1 but dont know what that parameter is
[20:29:37] <spack> do any of you guys use visualmill to generate g-code for emc2?
[20:34:06] <spack> friend of mine just got a taig
[20:34:50] <spack> apparently it's not generating proper g-code for emc2 to run it
[20:34:56] <spack> it's having problems with arcs and circles
[20:47:52] <rick___> spack it gives a error on loading
[20:47:59] <rick___> ?
[20:48:35] <spack> no
[20:48:39] <spack> i think he got it
[20:48:40] <spack> TheFinalTac : got it, i had to manually modify the sherline one
[20:48:53] <spack> well i guess he's making progress at least
[20:50:46] <rick___> it depends on how is the arc format, lcnc accept various
[21:01:52] <andypugh> rick___: Is it a git patch?
[21:02:42] <andypugh> git patches apply with git am not patch.
[21:02:55] <andypugh> bbrillig1
[21:03:15] <andypugh> oops, wrong window
[21:12:50] <rick___> is in sourceforge andy
[21:13:11] <rick___> its
[21:14:15] <spack> hey tac
[21:14:27] <TheFinalTac> heyo
[21:14:30] <spack> <<ct
[21:19:14] <spack> the taig working ok?
[21:19:33] <TheFinalTac> so yeah I ended up using the emc-sherline post in visualmill and modifying it to do arcs in radius format
[21:19:49] <spack> nice
[21:19:55] <TheFinalTac> it kept trying to combine radius and center point formats
[21:20:01] <spack> i'm sure we'll get every single parameter dialed in over time
[21:20:06] <spack> if there are any other slight mods needed
[21:21:49] <TheFinalTac> gotta put some limit switches on this thing too, then again a shower of sparks would be a great first mill job lol
[21:24:25] <TheFinalTac> you know if i can either save the current home position or reload the stepconf file without leaving AXIS?
[21:25:00] <spack> haha
[21:25:18] <spack> as long as you leave everything where it is, it should stay put
[21:25:27] <spack> unless you do what i did and try to move the machine with the driver box off
[21:25:30] <spack> then it gets out of sync
[21:25:54] <TheFinalTac> so it'll keep its last home position if i exit axis?
[21:25:59] <spack> i think so
[21:26:03] <spack> not 100%
[21:26:11] <spack> more like 99.5%?
[21:27:22] <andypugh> There is an INI file option to save position to a file. I am not sure what it does
[21:28:42] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:TRAJ-section
[21:29:03] <andypugh> (POSITION_FILE)
[21:29:38] <andypugh> Night all
[21:29:46] <spack> night
[21:31:33] <TheFinalTac> damn, ill try that next time...lost my home
[21:31:41] <spack> :/
[21:32:04] <TheFinalTac> i had one pin misconfigured as a limit so it was randomly stopping everything
[21:32:09] <spack> ah
[21:32:49] <TheFinalTac> i couldn't just leave it home either cuz its kinda sorta buried in a chunk of stock
[21:33:01] <spack> heh
[21:33:03] <TheFinalTac> ah well
[21:33:09] <spack> what kind of stock?
[21:33:30] <spack> wood?
[21:33:42] <TheFinalTac> that coolibah burl, i only have a couple small pieces
[21:33:48] <spack> oh, scheisse
[21:34:58] <TheFinalTac> yeah its gonna look pimp if it turns out, tight fit though
