#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-09-01

[00:14:49] <NickParker> andypugh: you have a lathe from 1936? and I thought my shiz was an antique..
[00:31:59] <NickParker> also, your youtube channel is fantastic
[01:56:09] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:01:40] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[09:38:15] <awallin> not much going on eh...
[10:02:37] <pcw_home> Last summer holiday in US...
[10:35:26] <Jymmm> pcw_home: and we're here on irc
[10:41:15] <pcw_home> Yeah, I think our excitement for the day is taking Charlie to the dog park
[10:41:51] <jthornton> I'm going to celebrate by taking a nap while it rains
[10:42:01] <Tom_itx> heh
[10:46:12] * jthornton finally cracked the liststore, treestore, cellrenderer secret
[10:47:07] <Jymmm> ?
[10:48:41] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/71-01-200-SBA-Leverage/dp/B001H1HJQO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_2
[11:11:57] <pcw_home> That looks pretty nice, may get on for 12 ga fence wire cutting
[11:13:02] <skunkworks> we went grocery shopping...
[11:13:52] <Jymmm> WE did?
[11:14:00] <Jymmm> pcw_home: http://www.harborfreight.com/36-inch-bolt-cutters-41150.html
[11:14:20] <Jymmm> pcw_home: add the 20% coupon and can get for under $20 including tax
[11:15:30] <pcw_home> Dont actually need a bolt cutter but those little high leverage cutter wouls save my hands when cutting fence wire
[11:16:03] <pcw_home> (and they will fit in a pocket)
[11:16:35] <skunkworks> (whole fan-damilly
[11:16:37] <skunkworks> )
[11:19:41] <jthornton> these should work great for 12 gauge fence wire http://www.harborfreight.com/8-inch-bolt-cutters-41146.html
[11:20:39] <jthornton> Knipex are some good ones
[11:21:48] <pcw_home> The HF ones may be good enough for the amount I do and a lot cheaper
[11:22:04] <jthornton> yep, just depends on the application
[11:22:40] <pcw_home> The Knipex ones are pretty cute ( only ~6" long)
[11:24:08] <CaptHindsight> didn't notice until now that newegg sells tools http://www.newegg.com/Bolt-Cutters/SubCategory/ID-1851?Tid=11259
[11:24:30] <spack> thinking about going to check out this machine: https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/tls/3985302183.html not sure why he has a replacement drive motor or "two replacement boards" that may or may not work...
[11:26:33] <CaptHindsight> are you even going to use that controller anyway?
[11:26:41] <spack> no
[11:27:07] <spack> except as an interim measure if it happened to be easily fixable
[11:29:49] <spack> then again there is also this
[11:29:52] <spack> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/tld/3981610957.html
[11:29:56] <spack> pre-stripped
[11:30:25] <pcw_home> Hand driven rotary table?
[11:30:46] <spack> yeah
[11:31:06] <spack> seems like it
[11:32:04] <kwallace2> The BPII looks like it has brushed DC motors, so should be easy to convert. I don't know about the encoders.
[11:32:27] <kwallace2> The Hurco would need a lot more work.
[11:36:06] <spack> i can't just bolt some new motors onto it?
[11:39:37] <kwallace2> Maybe, but you need to spend time figuring out which motors might work, where to find them, look for the best price, what drivers to use, design mounts, and on and on.
[11:39:53] <pcw_home> yeah, motors and drives and couplers and drive mounts, who knows whats missing?
[11:41:11] <pcw_home> seems a little odd to strip these as well
[11:41:42] <kwallace2> With the BPII, you find out what signal the motor drivers and encoders need, buy a signal generator, wire it up, program HAL, and enjoy.
[11:42:09] <CaptHindsight> you're saying that the ad might be misleading or not the whole truth?!
[11:43:28] <kwallace2> My guess is that the Hurco motors and such were removed to sell on eBay or to fix another machine.
[11:44:20] <Tom_itx> i think one of our tree mills had a dynapath control. we didn't like it
[11:44:38] <CaptHindsight> they are also too lazy or disingenuous to post pics as well
[11:45:06] <spack> i emailed for pics
[11:45:16] <spack> we'll see
[11:45:21] <spack> or not
[11:45:23] <spack> heh
[11:45:46] <Tom_itx> you're gonna convert it anyway
[11:46:04] <CaptHindsight> yeah, maybe they figure for $500 it's about what they would get for scrap, so you can as well if you decide to buy it
[11:46:42] <CaptHindsight> since your time is worth nothing
[11:49:22] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/4018047862.html looks like a bridgeport
[11:49:28] <kwallace2> My guess is the Hurco has CAT40 which I'd prefer over the BPII Kwik-Switch.
[11:50:02] <spack> i'm just casually looking at this point
[11:50:10] <pcw_home> Must be that the cable company views installers as expendable:
[11:50:12] <pcw_home> Guy come here, sees cable box on pole is ~30 feet up, puts
[11:50:13] <pcw_home> few cones in the street and a wobbly ladder leaning on pole barely
[11:50:15] <pcw_home> reaching box. Kathy goes out and says no way, go get the bucket!
[11:50:29] <spack> haha
[11:51:08] <Tom_itx> heck, he's there already why disturb him?
[11:51:44] <CaptHindsight> they tend to be out of state or work for small sub-contractors, the util co's have figures out how to avoid insurance and overtime pay
[11:52:07] <kwallace2> That sounds like when I was installing for DirecTV. I worked long days and made effectively $5/hr.
[11:52:12] <Tom_itx> to the lowest bidder as well
[11:52:41] <Tom_itx> good you wised up
[11:53:02] <CaptHindsight> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tld/4026580991.html GORTON 0-16A $1500
[11:53:52] <jy76> hello fellas
[11:55:03] <spack> here's one with terrible photos for $950
[11:55:05] <spack> https://rockford.craigslist.org/tls/4008469446.html
[11:55:49] <kwallace2> IMHO, the BP1 and Gorton would have to stay as manual machines - no ball screws.
[11:55:53] <CaptHindsight> I think those were taken when that mill was installed new :)
[11:56:35] <spack> yeah, i definitely am not looking at manual machines right now
[11:56:45] <spack> unless a great deal comes up for one that i will keep manual
[11:56:58] <spack> would not mind having more machines
[11:58:26] <jy76> does anyone know or can link to the docs for updating just lcnc? i am at version 2.5.1 and would like to update to 2.5.3 and i cannot find a page that explains this . is this an apt get ? i did not see any linuxcnc files in the update manager thanx
[12:01:32] <kwallace2> http://www.ebay.com/sch/Manufacturing-Metalworking-/11804/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=shizuoka&_udlo&_udhi=4000
[12:02:03] <spack> too bad those are all 2000 miles away
[12:02:32] <kwallace2> Updating - http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
[12:02:36] <spack> wonder how much shipping would be
[12:03:26] <CaptHindsight> spack: are you in Mi?
[12:03:31] <spack> chi
[12:03:41] <CaptHindsight> oh thats right
[12:04:13] <CaptHindsight> how much space and power do you have?
[12:04:19] <kwallace2> I got my Shiz with tooling for just under $2k and moved it myself. http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/
[12:04:43] <pcw_home> Are those servos or giant old stepmotors on the Shizuoka?
[12:04:58] <kwallace2> Steppers.
[12:05:23] <spack> got about all of a 2 car garage with 60A 220 sp
[12:05:41] <kwallace2> Unipolar, 45V
[12:06:11] <pcw_home> Wired unipolar at the motor?
[12:06:17] <spack> that thing looks new
[12:07:32] <kwallace2> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/Bandit_Stepper_Driver.png with 6 wires from the motor.
[12:07:33] <pcw_home> Nice no bozo's sticker
[12:07:35] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:09:25] <kwallace2> I got lucky, the Shiz cleaned up pretty well.
[12:16:29] <CaptHindsight> spack: I'd say about once a month I come across a real deal on a VMC within 250 miles
[12:18:47] <CaptHindsight> april and may tend to be the best time around here
[12:20:04] <IchGuckLive> may is the brst for broken mills
[12:20:10] <IchGuckLive> best
[12:20:13] <spack> heh
[12:20:14] <spack> why's that?
[12:21:00] <IchGuckLive> moisture burns the ic if not warmup
[12:21:40] <spack> ah
[12:21:40] <IchGuckLive> august unkucky lost 2 vf-2 haas on electronics
[12:21:53] <IchGuckLive> l B)
[12:22:02] <IchGuckLive> ;-(
[12:22:32] <spack> well lemme know if you see anything CaptHindsight
[12:22:51] <CaptHindsight> no problem
[12:22:55] <spack> i bought a bostomatics 315 but the seller was in the hospital or something
[12:22:56] <IchGuckLive> spack: are you in the usa ?
[12:23:17] <spack> IchGuckLive: yeah
[12:23:23] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[12:23:37] <spack> cool
[12:23:49] <IchGuckLive> burningman did burn last night
[12:23:49] <CaptHindsight> http://centralmich.craigslist.org/tls/3916956841.html
[12:24:04] <IchGuckLive> and the temple this night as a big burn
[12:24:27] <spack> just like every year IchGuckLive ;)
[12:24:52] <IchGuckLive> yeah 68.000 freaks out there in the desert with the duststorm
[12:25:06] <spack> why aren't you there?
[12:25:21] <IchGuckLive> noney is always a issue
[12:25:25] <IchGuckLive> m
[12:25:39] <IchGuckLive> what a duststorm im watching live
[12:25:42] <spack> heh
[12:25:49] <spack> feels nice
[12:25:57] <spack> like being in a soft sandblaster
[12:26:03] <IchGuckLive> 300+ dollars for entry
[12:26:05] <spack> soft but still abrasive
[12:26:20] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ustream.tv/burningman
[12:26:50] <CaptHindsight> http://centralmich.craigslist.org/tls/3993096971.html just bolt it to your table http://images.craigslist.org/00p0p_UsGKmmYuj3_600x450.jpg :)
[12:26:56] <spack> you can see more than 3 feet, that's not a dust storm :)
[12:27:21] <IchGuckLive> agree but temple burn is 3mil from cam
[12:27:37] <IchGuckLive> night will came the storm we hope
[12:27:47] <spack> usually yeah
[12:27:53] <spack> if it's windy they wait
[12:27:59] <IchGuckLive> no
[12:28:05] <IchGuckLive> 9pm fix
[12:28:12] <spack> they've delayed it before
[12:28:26] <IchGuckLive> no storm retches the cam
[12:28:32] <IchGuckLive> now
[12:28:49] <IchGuckLive> coyote disapeard 500feet
[12:29:01] <spack> still have a long time til 9pm anyway
[12:29:13] <spack> those storms usually roll in and out pretty quickly
[12:29:20] <IchGuckLive> agree
[12:30:12] <spack> one time there was a huge dust storm on a wednesday
[12:30:20] <spack> and when the dust cleared, half the people around were gone
[12:30:28] <spack> their cars and them gone
[12:30:37] <spack> a lot of their stuff and their tents still there
[12:30:39] <spack> but flattened
[12:30:44] <spack> they just couldn't handle it :p
[12:30:55] <spack> no idea how they drove out of there in that weather
[12:31:02] <IchGuckLive> exodus is on the way as most want to be home tomorrow
[12:31:30] <spack> we found lots of booze left behind after that
[12:31:32] <IchGuckLive> not a good idee on this condissons to move out to clear desert
[12:32:05] <IchGuckLive> ah topless in the duststorm thats a pretty wear thing
[12:32:44] <spack> best way to get clean out there
[12:33:15] <IchGuckLive> its clearing
[12:33:45] <IchGuckLive> the man burn place is now showing up
[12:33:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASz3LW1i6wc#t=13 Time-Lapse View of Yosemite Rim Fire
[12:33:59] <Tecan> (ASz3LW1i6wc) "Surreal Time-Lapse View of Yosemite Rim Fire" by "Andrew Revkin" is "News" - Length: 0:02:47
[12:34:27] <IchGuckLive> yes wildfirers are bad this year also in europ
[12:34:42] <IchGuckLive> second dustwave moving in
[13:09:14] <kwallace2> The Rim Fire stopped here, I live in the blue circle. http://www.wallacecompany.com/Screenshot-5.png
[13:12:16] <CaptHindsight> you must be relieved
[13:13:44] <kwallace2> The power was shut off for four days so the fire fighters would not get fried with electrons. Here is an unfinished project, http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Witte/dcp_6810-1a.jpg
[13:14:52] <Loetmichel> kwallace2: no scale on the pic
[13:14:58] <Loetmichel> but i suppose it was near?
[13:15:29] <CaptHindsight> judging by the airport I'd say he's ~1km from the edge of the fire
[13:16:08] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: ... time to get the BIG pumps running to pretect the home ;-)
[13:16:14] <Loetmichel> -e+o
[13:16:24] <kwallace2> Yep, 1 km.
[13:17:21] <Loetmichel> kwallace2: is there ground water whre you live?
[13:17:29] <Loetmichel> so the pumps could have worked?
[13:18:41] <kwallace2> We have a hydrant in the street and a pool in the backyard. A pump is also on my to-do list.
[13:19:54] <kwallace2> It was strange to be taking pictures of the house and everything in it for insurance claims, and thinking this could all be gone in a few hours.
[13:23:13] <archivist> methinks worse than strange
[13:24:18] <CaptHindsight> at least you have the photos now, it's worse to not have them after a fire, flood or theft etc
[13:25:37] <ReadError> quick photoshop some stuff you want in the pics ;)
[13:25:47] <ReadError> i hope it doesnt happen though, stay safe
[13:27:17] <CaptHindsight> 12 diamond encrusted tiaras, check....
[13:27:25] <kwallace2> The fire was stopped here a few days ago and has gone on to someone else's town. http://www.inciweb.org/incident/3660/
[13:28:11] <CaptHindsight> did the wind change direction?
[13:29:28] <kwallace2> No, the crews, dozers and bombers fought it off.
[13:30:07] <kwallace2> Here are yesterdays hot spots: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/fires/main/usa/index.html#lowerAccordion-set1-slide2
[13:33:08] <kwallace2> Oops, http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/800x600_autoletterbox/public/20130831-california.jpg?itok=lk2OAZSU
[13:36:47] <kwallace2> This is from my next door neighbor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hecJXLdMQ1I
[13:36:48] <Tecan> (hecJXLdMQ1I) "CA Rim Fire 2013" by "Rex Pemberton" is "Sports" - Length: 0:06:52
[13:39:38] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Newbould-motorized-spin-indexer-milling-edm-grinding-spindle-fixture-/171043472268?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d2fc438c
[13:46:41] <CaptHindsight> heh, only accurate to 0.00027 deg :)
[13:50:22] <tjtr33> might be able to loball it, i think its been there a while
[13:51:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.imperialnewbould.com/the-newbould-servo-indexer.html I wonder what the price is for this?
[13:53:03] <CaptHindsight> I just built one a bit larger. I needed 18" dia. clearance and indexing to 1 arc second
[13:54:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.imperialnewbould.com/the-newbould-flatspin.html
[13:56:33] <tjtr33> mechanical position or servo?
[13:56:47] <tjtr33> ^^ what you built
[13:58:00] <CaptHindsight> servo
[13:59:06] <CaptHindsight> combination of reworked newport and anorad parts
[13:59:53] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[14:14:53] <Aero-Tec> if I wanted to find out the current work offset for the loaded tool what would be the best way to get that info?
[14:16:24] <Aero-Tec> I am looking for the Z value, would 5223 do the trick or am I way out to lunch
[14:19:23] <spack> i gunno :o
[14:19:50] <spack> do these old controls take a special type of crt?
[14:19:51] <spack> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/hvo/4033007940.html
[14:22:57] <Jymmm> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tree/55824-tree_journeyman_320_good_bad.html
[14:23:20] <spack> yeah, read that thread
[14:24:00] <kwallace2> Sort of special, but any video input display might work, but I have not tried.
[14:24:37] <spack> people try to sell the originals on ebay for $700
[14:24:39] <spack> lol
[14:24:54] <spack> crts in general are pretty expensive though now
[14:25:03] <spack> legacy crap
[14:25:14] <spack> i wish this was closer:
[14:25:15] <spack> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-NICE-HURCO-10-X-38-CNC-VERTICAL-MILL-MILLING-MACHINE-MODEL-KMB-I/350863056648?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid=222002&algo=SIC.FIT&ao=1&asc=11&meid=985939465183294385&pid=100011&prg=1005&rk=4&rkt=5&sd=400216615130&
[14:25:19] <Aero-Tec> looks like 5403 would be better, anyone ever tried this before?
[14:26:14] <kwallace2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/A359-JVC-COLOR-VIDEO-MONITOR-TM-A9U-/350864215942?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b1230f86
[14:26:36] <Aero-Tec> not all monitors are the same
[14:26:58] <Aero-Tec> and CRTs have to be matched
[14:27:20] <Aero-Tec> I used to own a electronics repair shop
[14:27:31] <kwallace2> You just need an analog video input, theoretically.
[14:27:55] <Aero-Tec> there are cross references for replacement CRT
[14:27:57] <spack> could be a weird refresh rate
[14:28:07] <spack> sync rate?
[14:28:43] <Aero-Tec> there are different analog video signals
[14:29:33] <Aero-Tec> - or +, signal levels, and other things like sync rates
[14:30:33] <Aero-Tec> one would need a adjustable adapter and even that does not grantee it will work
[14:31:01] <kwallace2> The monitor I linked above has controls for some signal options. It might be worth a try.
[14:31:03] <Aero-Tec> you used to be able to buy them
[14:31:35] <spack> wouldn't be hard to run the signal into an ADC
[14:31:45] <spack> and display it however you wanted
[14:32:07] <kwallace2> There are LCD versions of these monitors, such as baby and backup monitors.
[14:32:23] <Aero-Tec> some of the newer generic replacement ones had the adapter built in
[14:33:08] <spack> well
[14:33:10] <Aero-Tec> is it color or monochrome?
[14:33:18] <spack> i'm guessing mono
[14:33:56] <Aero-Tec> if your willing to play and know electronics and have a scope
[14:34:08] <Aero-Tec> you should be able to get one to work
[14:34:23] <spack> unfortunately i don't have a scope
[14:34:27] <spack> :(
[14:34:48] <spack> it's been on my list of things to grab when i find a good deal on one for a long time
[14:35:18] <spack> i wonder if the guy would take like half what he's asking for it
[14:35:29] <spack> free up that cash to re-wire the whole thing
[14:35:46] <Aero-Tec> would be easier to use a new complete monitor, but getting it yo work in or with the console could be trick
[14:36:23] <Aero-Tec> is he not close to scrap value as it is?
[14:36:33] <Aero-Tec> not sure how big it is
[14:36:44] <spack> probably 5000lbs
[14:36:46] <spack> 4-5
[14:36:51] <Aero-Tec> but scrap can add up fast
[14:37:38] <Aero-Tec> would have to look up scrap price for steel and cast iron
[14:38:23] <Aero-Tec> you could low ball him and see if he comes down to 2K
[14:39:51] <Aero-Tec> he most likely wants it gone and gone fast, wants the room
[14:40:43] <kwallace2> My Shizuoka is 3000 lbs or 3500 with tool changer. The Hurco should be close to that. If the axes were in good shape, I would not pay more than $2k, after trying $1k.
[14:40:59] <spack> talking about the tree here
[14:41:10] <spack> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/hvo/4033007940.html
[14:41:26] <Aero-Tec> tell him $1500 and you will have a group of guys there to move it in 3 days, if he has a fork lift and will load it onto your truck tell him you will be there tomorrow to pick it up
[14:42:52] <ReadError> he cant be trusted
[14:42:53] <Aero-Tec> any more info on using 5403?
[14:42:56] <ReadError> he didnt even rotate the pic ;/
[14:42:58] <spack> heh
[14:43:21] <Aero-Tec> what do you get for info?
[14:43:34] <spack> maybe his neck is bent at a 90 degree angle all the time
[14:43:48] <Aero-Tec> do you get tool offset or some other offset?
[14:45:37] <Aero-Tec> it says tool offset but not sure if it is the tool table info or some other one for the active tool
[14:46:06] <spack> this guy retrofit a tree 320 and made a spreadsheet of all his costs...
[14:46:16] <spack> he paid $1250 for the mill plus $700 shipping
[14:46:20] <spack> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AiHjkx3E9wMSdFZiRVBNU0R4RGl1THhJSFBmMHROZkE&single=true&gid=0&output=html
[14:46:25] <spack> useful info
[14:47:20] <Aero-Tec> 5422 for Z looks cool
[14:47:44] <Aero-Tec> wish I knew what the difference is for them all
[14:49:06] <spack> looks like about $1500 for wiring and electronics
[15:09:42] <spack> seller turned down my offer of $4k for this one
[15:09:44] <spack> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurco-MD1-vertical-machining-center-/171066021430?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item27d4545636
[15:19:34] <kwallace2> Just my 2c. It is nice that it is a bed mill, has a tool changer and is operational, but $4k (with free loading) is a good offer. He may still take the offer when he runs out of time. Show the owner you are ready to pay cash, ready to move it at a moment's notice and without any drama.
[15:21:58] <JT-Shop> . The machine is very reliable with the exception of a temperamental tool changer.
[15:22:36] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you mean the manual one, as in YOU ?
[15:22:39] <JT-Shop> I hate when someone asks what is your bottom dollar
[15:22:52] <JT-Shop> the one spack is looking at
[15:23:00] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Oh, when they do, I ADD $100
[15:23:04] <JT-Shop> I just respond what is your top dollar
[15:23:11] <spack> heh
[15:23:25] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: i like it
[15:23:34] <Tom_itx> it's merika, it's what we do
[15:24:21] <Tom_itx> ever watch 'barter kings'?
[15:24:22] <JT-Shop> I think the price is too high for an open machine like that
[15:24:31] <JT-Shop> no
[15:24:37] <Tom_itx> A&E
[15:24:43] <spack> looks like it's been listed since before july 3rd
[15:24:45] <Tom_itx> you should, it's intertaining
[15:24:50] <spack> he must not be eager to get rid of it
[15:25:07] <spack> i made my offer 2 weeks ago
[15:25:18] <JT-Shop> he has had 7 offers and declined them
[15:25:37] <spack> 2 of those were mine, i offered 3500 first :)
[15:25:58] <JT-Shop> the latest two?
[15:26:04] <Jymmm> If you offer at a good price, they'll always try to talk you down. So you have to up the price to begin with
[15:26:26] <spack> the latest two, yeah
[15:26:31] <Jymmm> and nobody honors "price is firm"
[15:26:45] <spack> he's selling it as OBO
[15:26:57] <Jymmm> that's another story
[15:27:12] <JT-Shop> I'd offer $4500 if he would load it on my trailer
[15:27:28] <Tom_itx> so how long's he waiting for OBO?
[15:27:30] <spack> says loading is $600 extra
[15:27:35] <Tom_itx> 3 yrs?
[15:27:56] <Jymmm> spack: 3900 + loading
[15:28:39] <spack> can it really be 120 inches tall?
[15:28:55] <Tom_itx> my bud had one moved for $500 but it was on the return trip from delivering a new one
[15:29:17] <Tom_itx> spack, it could be
[15:30:02] <Tom_itx> is that with Z all the way up?
[15:30:17] * JT-Shop needs to quit looking on flea bay
[15:31:06] <spack> "max operating height"
[15:31:40] <Tom_itx> that's not so tall as machines go
[15:31:53] <kwallace2> It looks like the axes use roller slides?
[15:32:43] <spack> i only have about 100 inches unless i remove some of the rafters
[15:32:57] <spack> which is do-able
[15:33:28] <spack> it's just that similar sized machines i've been looking at have been in the mid 90-s"
[15:33:54] <spack> that doesn't look 2 feet taller
[15:34:52] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TREE-model-VMC1260E-CNC-vertical-machining-center-/331008145622?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d119f78d6
[15:34:53] <pcw_home> Too big?
[15:35:39] <spack> how tall is it? :)
[15:35:43] <Tom_itx> ha, i've seen a few of those
[15:36:34] <spack> laterally, i have lots of space
[15:36:41] <spack> height-wise i'm cramped
[15:37:05] <Tom_itx> garage?
[15:37:11] <Tom_itx> it won't fit height wise
[15:37:11] <spack> yep
[15:37:35] <Tom_itx> we barely got a small fadal in a garage
[15:37:59] <spack> was it getting it in that was the problem?
[15:38:21] <Tom_itx> we had to lay the spindle motor over to get it in
[15:38:28] <spack> yeah
[15:38:33] <Tom_itx> iirc he notched out the celing for it
[15:38:43] <Tom_itx> can't really remember that well
[15:38:54] <spack> we could probably fit most stuff through the rafters
[15:38:58] <spack> there's no ceiling
[15:38:59] <Tom_itx> it was one of his first cnc's
[15:39:17] <Tom_itx> yeah if you can straddle the rafters
[15:39:27] <Tom_itx> if it would fit between...
[15:39:30] <spack> yeah
[15:39:39] <spack> gotta go change my oil
[15:39:44] <spack> bbl
[15:39:44] <Tom_itx> it's still gonna take a fair amount of space
[15:39:54] <spack> well we have nothing else in the garage yet
[15:40:02] <spack> i just need to fill it with machines
[15:40:03] <spack> :)
[15:41:20] <Tom_itx> my friend got one of his old trees back for next to nothing but had to put a new spindle and X axis ballscrew bearing in it
[15:41:56] <Tom_itx> the bearing was ~1400 from the dealer but he found one for $700
[15:51:14] <CaptHindsight> anyone need a set of NMTB-40 holders?
[15:54:04] <CaptHindsight> spack: I was going to look at that Hurco out in Woodstock
[15:55:02] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if he's actually closer to Hebron since that is his ebay nick
[15:56:51] * JT-Shop wonders how much baking soda it takes to neutralize 2 gallons of battery acid...
[15:57:18] <CaptHindsight> heh, was there a small spill?
[16:02:25] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061113221700AAbHQrW 1:1
[16:05:10] <JT-Shop> no, just cleaning the old acid tank out as I don't know the condition of the acid
[16:07:25] <CaptHindsight> 1.84 g/cm³ sulfuric acid density
[16:09:55] <CaptHindsight> 2 gallons at 50% concentration of acid = ~4 liters x 1.84kg = ~16lbs of baking soda
[16:10:56] <CaptHindsight> measure the pH after
[16:12:43] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:20:19] <JT-Shop> battery acid is only ~30% sulfuric acid
[16:22:54] <JT-Shop> so 2.3 liters of acid x 1.25 = 2.9 kg of acid
[16:23:32] <JT-Shop> so 6 lbs of baking soda
[16:24:19] <CaptHindsight> 2 gallons = 7.6 L
[16:27:43] <JT-Shop> yes but 70% is water
[16:28:10] <CaptHindsight> I agree
[16:29:24] <CaptHindsight> not sure where you density of only 1.25 comes from
[16:30:04] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfuric_acid
[16:56:31] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/Screenshot%20from%202013-09-01%2016:38:32.png
[16:56:48] <skunkworks> asus k55a laptop...
[16:57:01] <skunkworks> suprised me
[16:57:25] <skunkworks> now - the 7i80..... :)
[16:57:51] <skunkworks> i5 3rd gen with 4000 graphics.
[16:59:07] <tjtr33> good numbers, let it go overnite, was it from tiger direct?
[17:01:57] <skunkworks> newegg
[17:02:04] <tjtr33> ty
[17:02:15] <skunkworks> the mouse is about the only issue I have found..
[17:02:25] <skunkworks> (touch pad)
[17:27:12] <jesseg> Hey guys - what sort of cable is good for servo motors for mills? One tends to need 2 or 3 heavy conductors for motor windings, then 2 or 3 small coaxial wires for the quad encoders.. Old SVGA monitor cables are sort of OK but the wires for the current carrying motor windings are usually rather small in diameter :P
[17:27:26] <jesseg> Do they make a servo motor cable that's prevelant and affordable?
[17:33:59] <tjtr33> use more than 1 cable.
[17:34:07] <tjtr33> run motor separate from encoder.
[17:34:20] <tjtr33> use shielded for encoder.
[17:34:20] <tjtr33> use a 3rd shielded for tach if you got one.
[17:34:20] <tjtr33> this is all to avoid noise.
[17:34:28] <jesseg> yeah oh I know about noise =)
[17:34:42] <kwallace2> IMHO, I would run the encoder and servo cables separately. Some here like to use microphone wire because it shielded, fairly large gauge and very flexible.
[17:35:08] <jesseg> Of course one can run a bunch of cables, then twist them all up, and put some protective layer on the outside...
[17:35:59] <tjtr33> no run in differnt direction, on differnt sides, in different passages. but you know all about noise =)
[17:36:00] <kwallace2> I use plain CAT5 for encoders. Shielded would be better, but so far so good.
[17:36:06] <tjtr33> just kidding
[17:36:28] <jesseg> But.. It just seemed that maybe there was already a cable invented for servo motors that had the big wires and the coax wires all together inside a shielded protected outer covering.. just like SVGA monitor cable (which has 3 coax, and 3 to 6 little normal wires.)
[17:36:51] <jesseg> But I guess nobody thought of that yet :P
[17:37:10] <jesseg> kwallace2, are you using balanced encoder outputs?
[17:37:17] <jesseg> I mean differential encoder outputs
[17:38:16] <kwallace2> Yes, but I've run them both ways without any difference.
[17:38:20] <kwallace2> I had noise on my spindle encoder, and the only fix was a filter on the VFD power input.
[17:38:25] <skunkworks> cat 5 stranded - shielded
[17:38:55] <jesseg> 2-wire differential encoder outputs with proper differential receivers should work great on cat5, grounded or otherwise
[17:39:04] <jesseg> *shielded or otherwise
[17:39:32] <kwallace2> One should also look at cable termination.
[17:39:57] <jesseg> Grounding is such a problem. Can't live with it, and can't live without it:P (Joke about ground loops, ground bounce, and RF interference picked up on ground wires.)
[17:40:05] <jesseg> yeah
[17:40:22] <jesseg> I have 1k termination :P
[17:40:27] <jesseg> (aka pullups.)
[17:44:30] <jesseg> Doesn't microphone cable have two conductors other than the shield?
[17:44:59] <jesseg> I guess that would be completely perfect (if not overkill) for 2-wire differential encoders - one mic cable per encoder channel (two per motor)
[17:45:27] <jesseg> but I've had trouble with capacitive coupling between two different encoder phase signals inside the same shield
[17:45:54] <kwallace2> I meant to use mic cable for the servo motor.
[17:45:56] <kwallace2> A lot of inputs are the LED on an opto-isolator which has a relatively low impedance, but a buffer input can have a high impedance and any noise will drive the noise above a volt or more.
[17:46:24] <jesseg> Oh - mic cable for the high current?
[17:46:33] <jesseg> Interesting... sheilded too, to keep the noise in.
[17:47:18] <jesseg> I didn't imagine the signal wires in mic cable would be particularly large current carriers.. but if so that's a great idea
[17:48:52] <kwallace2> I haven't used mic cable, but have heard about it on the e-mail (Gene H.) list.
[17:50:11] <jesseg> What about plugs? One plug for motor, another for encoder?
[17:52:01] <spack> CaptHindsight: you're out by woodstock kinda right?
[17:52:57] <spack> well, that's a bit further out than i thought, looking at a map
[17:53:05] <spack> but nonetheless
[17:54:37] <kwallace2> I tend to use barrier terminal strips instead of connectors because they are cheap and connections tend to stay connected once everything is sorted out.
[17:54:56] <kwallace2> http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00011-1a.jpg
[17:55:34] <spack> why are they called barrier terminal strips?
[17:55:43] <kwallace2> http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00013-1a.jpg
[17:56:34] <jesseg> Nice pics. Almost looks like a solderless breadboard in that second pic
[17:56:56] <kwallace2> I think because there is a wall or barrier between each screw terminal, but I don't really know.
[17:57:22] <kwallace2> Just perfboard. http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00012-1a.jpg
[17:58:02] <jesseg> kwallace2, Ah. yeah. the light was reflecting off of it in that one picture, made it look all white
[17:59:06] <jesseg> So are the differential receivers like MAX485 or whatever TI's little 485 transceiver chip is?
[17:59:26] <kwallace2> Here are some solderless boards :) http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/00011-1a.jpg
[17:59:59] <spack> i suck at using those
[18:00:07] <spack> i always have wires popping out and messing me up
[18:00:52] <jesseg> hehe
[18:01:17] <spack> neat: http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00004-1a.jpg
[18:01:49] <jesseg> what is that?
[18:02:01] <spack> caption says "Shop made terminal strips and encoder differential driver."
[18:02:13] <jesseg> oh the encoder cover
[18:03:38] <jesseg> Thanks guys. Later.
[18:04:20] <spack> see ya
[18:07:02] <kwallace2> I copied the diff trans part number from US Digital. http://www.ti.com/product/am26c31
[18:07:15] <Mjolinor> does anyone know how to put the metric instruciton into the millproject file of pcb2gcode?
[18:07:44] <Mjolinor> it's "--metrix" on the command line but I can't work out how to put it in the millproject config file
[18:07:54] <Mjolinor> it's "--metric" on the command line but I can't work out how to put it in the millproject config file
[18:09:37] <kwallace2> I have no idea, sorry. :(
[18:13:45] <kwallace2> Interesting, from http://reprap.org/wiki/PCB_Milling it says "The --metric option isn't working. If you're in metric world, divide all parameter values by 25.4, RepRap controllers can deal with imperial units."
[18:14:14] <Mjolinor> --metric seems to work OK
[18:15:02] <Mjolinor> but if I forget to put --metric on the command line my boards are 25.4 times too big :)
[18:15:11] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: I see you were using the density of water with 30% sulfuric acid.
[18:19:53] <spack> just throw down baking soda until it stops foaming :)
[18:20:57] <kwallace2> It looks like millproject is a text file with a "keyword=value" on each line. No clue as to the metric form of the pair.
[18:21:21] <Mjolinor> well it aint units=mm or units=metric
[18:21:29] <Mjolinor> doesnt recognise "units"
[18:21:48] <Mjolinor> Ill jsut write a bach script to call it and stick metric in there
[18:22:02] <Mjolinor> my typing is gone to poit, think it's bedtime
[18:22:20] <Mjolinor> could be quite musical a bach script
[18:22:31] <tjtr33> maybe metric=1 or metric=TRUE or such
[18:22:59] <Mjolinor> you clever bugger :)
[18:23:07] <Mjolinor> that worked >> metric=true
[18:23:18] <tjtr33> :)
[18:23:49] <Mjolinor> hmm, well it didnt error but it says my board is 1.79in x 0.995in
[18:23:56] <Mjolinor> ill check the gcode
[18:24:05] <kwallace2> "metric", "use metric units for parameters. does not affect gcode output"
[18:24:24] <Mjolinor> well it will if the parameters in the millproject file are in mm
[18:24:27] <kwallace2> in options.cpp
[18:26:04] <spack> kwallace2: how much does synergy cost?
[18:26:24] <Mjolinor> thanks anyway, I will look tomorrow, sleep time now
[18:26:26] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/Screenshot%20from%202013-09-01%2017:59:48.png
[18:27:23] <kwallace2> It depends on the options you want. Many years ago I got the 3D stuff for $800, but who knows now.
[18:27:56] <NickParker> what's the ideal graphics card for latency killing?
[18:28:16] <kwallace2> skunkworks: what changed?
[18:29:23] <kwallace2> NickParker: There is no telling which card will work. I have a pile I go through when needed.
[18:30:12] <NickParker> well that's troublesome, i have a very meager supply of old cards at the local shops
[18:30:37] <kwallace2> I had a card that worked well on 8.04 and bombed on 10.04. Somewhere along the way the driver was "fixed".
[18:31:03] <NickParker> i've got an nvidia card in atm that's just total crap
[18:31:09] <skunkworks> kwallace2: nothing really - just been running for a few hours. Just wanted to show the specs
[18:31:17] <NickParker> I've got an ati card i could try if i had a spare 6 pin power, but i don't
[18:33:32] <tjtr33> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting suggested old Matrox cards
[18:34:34] <kwallace2> I usually find that using the vesa driver works if it plays well with the card I happen to have. It's usually a day of doing battle with the card, drivers and Xconf.
[18:36:01] <NickParker> How's this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-Dual-monitor-Dual-VGA-Graphics-Video-Card-Matrox-G450-16MB-/171114228615?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item27d733eb87
[18:36:42] <CaptHindsight> $52 for a 12mm x1.25 heli-coil kit, that didn't even include the drill bit :(
[18:38:06] <kwallace2> NickParker: That's a PCI card, is that what you need?
[18:38:14] <NickParker> i have PCI and PCIe available
[18:38:21] <NickParker> so yeah either works
[18:39:10] <kwallace2> What computer are you using?
[18:39:28] <NickParker> an $80 hp from the junk shop
[18:39:32] <NickParker> with a p4 in it
[18:41:03] <NickParker> let me go hunting for some part numbers.
[18:41:22] <NickParker> compaqq dc7100
[18:41:36] <kwallace2> I haven't gotten any better 2?,000 for latency on a P4, which should be good enough.
[18:41:51] <NickParker> is that under load or idle?
[18:41:59] <NickParker> i get 23,000 just idling
[18:42:11] <NickParker> but spikes to 50 waving windows around and such
[18:42:34] <kwallace2> Okay, which driver?
[18:42:42] <NickParker> 5i25
[18:42:51] <skunkworks> kwallace2: laptop. really not something usable (no printer port) but it would run a Ethernet solution...
[18:43:05] <NickParker> er 6i25
[18:43:06] <NickParker> sorry
[18:43:08] <kwallace2> Oops, I mean X video driver.
[18:43:35] <skunkworks> but a pleasant surprise...
[18:44:24] <NickParker> oh let me check...
[18:46:18] <kwallace2> BTW I got one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/370887786964 and got 25,000 for latency, then configed grub with "idle=poll" and got 3,000, woo hoo.
[18:47:05] <skunkworks> same with this laptop - idle=poll really tamed it..
[18:49:33] <skunkworks> I don't think I can disable hypterthreading in the bios
[18:49:50] <NickParker> how do i check drivers in ubuntu?
[18:50:01] <NickParker> some quick googling didn't yield an answer, sorry
[18:51:27] <NickParker> oh got it with lshw -c video
[18:51:50] <NickParker> Geforce 9400 GT
[18:51:57] <NickParker> nouveau driver
[18:52:17] <kwallace2> I used to check or make a new /etc/X11/Xconf or some such file, but X has been "improved".
[18:52:34] <NickParker> also how do i do that idle=poll thing you two are raving about?
[18:53:15] <NickParker> this accurate?
[18:53:16] <NickParker> http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-list/2007-September/msg00443.html
[18:53:58] <kwallace2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xorg.conf
[18:55:15] <kwallace2> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RealTime
[18:57:39] <kwallace2> Typing "while true ; do echo "nothing" > /dev/null ; done " in a terminal, instantly improved my latency, so I looked further and found idle=poll. But this is on a dual core CPU.
[18:58:53] <kwallace2> Turning HyperT off on my P4 made it more stable but didn't help latency.
[19:05:06] <kwallace2> Here is an old xorg.conf file I have used: http://www.wallacecompany.com/tmp_hnc/xorg.conf
[19:05:44] <NickParker> the while true echo nothing bit lowered mny latency by about 2000
[19:05:49] <NickParker> 21000-22000 idle now
[19:06:18] <NickParker> i can't find my xorg.conf file
[19:06:28] <NickParker> searching /etc/ didn't find it
[19:06:40] <kwallace2> Now a days, you need to create it.
[19:06:42] <NickParker> and searching the whole file system just got me an empty file named xorg something or other
[19:08:41] <kwallace2> We aren't supposed to use it, but Xorg doesn't seem to allow mere mortals to play with X unless you have a masters in X.
[19:09:37] <NickParker> hey what the.. i saved the text of that link as xorg.conf from notepad++ on a flash drive
[19:09:44] <NickParker> plugged it into my mill pc and it doesn't see xorg.con
[19:09:45] <NickParker> f
[19:10:18] <NickParker> oh windows doesn't either
[19:10:24] <NickParker> lol i just unplugged too soon most likely
[19:11:27] <kwallace2> You need to place xorg.conf in the /etc/X11 directory and you will need root privileges.
[19:11:58] <kwallace2> Then reboot, or at least logout and in.
[19:13:00] <kwallace2> Warning, you can truly bork your system playing with xorg.conf.
[19:13:10] <NickParker> bork how bad?
[19:13:15] <NickParker> reinstall the OS bad or toast stuff bad?
[19:13:27] <NickParker> i don't care about the OS, i haven't done anything to it after linuxcnc installed.
[19:13:39] <NickParker> speaking of, what's the default root password for linuxcnc
[19:14:23] <kwallace2> The worst usually is that you have to boot in text safe mode and sudo edit xorg.conf.
[19:15:48] <kwallace2> There really is no root these days. The password for username that installed the system gets to sudo.
[19:17:07] <kwallace2> I really prefer having a root user. Moving LinuxCNC to Debian might fix that?
[19:32:50] <NickParker> k got your xorg.conf into /etc/X11
[19:33:32] <NickParker> lets see what my latency is after reboot..
[19:35:37] <NickParker> ok it put me in low graphics mode, i let it run low graphics for one session and now my latency is higher than it was before
[19:35:38] <NickParker> almost double
[19:37:01] <NickParker> deleted xorg.conf, restarting now then i'll try to disable HT
[19:40:29] <kwallace2> You may want to comment out (#...) the HorizSync, VertRefresh and Modes lines. They where there to force X to show the proper resolution on my monitor. Changing Driver "vesa" to a different driver might help.
[19:43:26] <kwallace2> If you find the PC won't boot, you might need to boot with a LiveCD, mount the hard drive, and edit or remove the xorg.conf file and boot again.
[19:49:40] <NickParker> ok commented out the lines and changed driver to nouveau, still worse than without xorg.conf
[19:55:21] <NickParker> huh. the echo nothing trick got me down to 17 when i did it with latency test already open
[19:55:27] <NickParker> but restarting latency test brought me back up to 24
[19:55:44] <NickParker> anyway, you said 24 is fine so i guess i'll live with it while i wait for my buddy to find his matrox card
[19:56:05] <kwallace2> Have you looked at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting , other than that I'm out of ideas for now.
[19:56:42] <kwallace2> The 50,000 spikes bother me.
[19:56:59] <NickParker> i wasn't getting 50k spikes with the echo nothing
[19:57:04] <NickParker> 24 steady
[19:58:35] <kwallace2> Okay, maybe someone that knows more might be able to shed light on why.
[19:58:48] <kwallace2> I gotagoeat.
[20:00:52] <kwallace2> NickParker: did you try the SMI thing? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FixingSMIIssues
[20:22:06] <NickParker> No i didn't try that, but I don't have periodic spikes. my "spikes" were just when i was doing stuff.
[20:22:09] <NickParker> opening documents and such
[20:22:25] <NickParker> and the echo nothing seems to have fixed that.
[20:22:49] <NickParker> anyway, i'm going to work on an arduino program to convert a pwm signal into the ttl hex input my spindle controller takes
[20:23:00] <NickParker> ty for all the help kwallace2
[20:55:45] <WalterN> is there a good program in linux for sending/receiving CNC programs over the parallel port?
[21:13:51] <AR_> wat
[21:16:48] <WalterN> communication between a computer and a CNC machine controller (like fanuc)
[21:17:06] <skunkworks> most likely the serial port - not parallel
[21:17:12] <AR_> ^
[21:17:51] <WalterN> I don't remember how its set up currently, its been a while since I looked at it
[21:18:01] <WalterN> as in, a few years
[21:19:47] <WalterN> but anyways, is there a decent program to do that with in linux?
[21:23:54] <ktchk> linuxcnc
[21:24:42] <AR_> nah i think he is talking about a system where the motion controller is separate
[21:24:52] <AR_> you just send the file from the computer to the controller on the machine
[21:25:23] <ktchk> tape?
[21:32:40] <Tom_itx> WalterN, most controls were serial with flow control of some sort
[21:33:15] <Tom_itx> we had a couple we DNC'd due to lack of memory onboard the control
[21:33:56] <Tom_itx> so some program that would send pure ascii with flow control should work
[21:34:29] <Tom_itx> i've used procomm and a few specific to the cad cam we used at the time
[21:34:49] <Tom_itx> none of which were linux
[21:35:16] <Tom_itx> iirc the procomm i used was actually back in DOS days
[21:36:15] <Tom_itx> figure out if it uses ack nak or xon xoff for flow control
[21:37:16] <WalterN> yeah
[21:37:53] <WalterN> Tom_itx: thats basically what I'm asking about, only if there is any known good ones in linux :-x
[21:37:53] <Tom_itx> we jumpered a couple serial pins but i don't recall which ones atm
[21:38:04] <Tom_itx> there surely are
[21:38:10] <WalterN> I used one once with OSX...
[21:38:23] <WalterN> ages ago when I still had my iBook
[21:39:34] <Tom_itx> i've heard of minicom but dunno about it
[21:39:49] <Tom_itx> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/connect-soekris-single-board-computer-using-minicom.html
[21:40:24] <Tom_itx> i bet it would work
[21:40:58] <Tom_itx> just set it up as a raw ascii download
[21:41:16] <WalterN> hmm, yeah
[21:44:14] <Tom_itx> if it were windows i'd suggest realterm
[21:44:29] <Tom_itx> it's very configurable
[21:45:54] <WalterN> I'm going to see if its possible to switch everything over to linux... heh.. assuming freeCAD and pyCAM work well
[21:46:41] <WalterN> but thats really something to worry about for later
[21:46:45] <Tom_itx> you do mostly 2.5d?
[21:46:49] <WalterN> yeah
[21:47:00] <Tom_itx> most any of them should do ok i suppose
[21:47:06] <Tom_itx> 3d is a different story
[21:47:28] <Tom_itx> flat pattern isn't so complicated
[21:47:55] <WalterN> you mean with pycam's capabilities?
[21:48:09] <Tom_itx> i've never used it
[21:48:26] <Tom_itx> but it's gonna be alot easier to find a free 2.5d over 3d cad cam
[21:48:50] <Tom_itx> or even not so free but linux
[21:48:51] <WalterN> s/free/opensouce/
[21:49:35] <WalterN> it says its full 3-axes machining for pycam... *shrug*
[21:50:15] <Tom_itx> probably doesn't support all the surface modes etc
[21:50:31] <Tom_itx> i dunno, it may
[21:50:34] <WalterN> what do you mean surface modes?
[21:50:53] <Tom_itx> spline, polyline, nurbs, etc
[21:50:59] <WalterN> oh
[21:51:05] <WalterN> yeah, I donno
[21:51:11] <Tom_itx> spun etc
[21:51:49] <Tom_itx> if you don't need em, don't worry
[22:42:18] <joebog> good afternoon gentlemen
[23:06:37] <nspiel_> does anyone know the units on the angular scale in the ini files?
[23:07:01] <Aero-Tec> is it possible to read the tool table for a non loaded tool?
[23:17:43] <Aero-Tec> from Gcode