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[00:33:02] <Tecan> rtapi/rtapi_rtai_shm_wrap.h:19:22: fatal error: rtai_shm.h: No such file or directory
[00:35:05] <Tecan> nm must not be seeing it in proper spot
[00:41:08] <Tecan> needed -I/usr/include/rtai
[00:52:55] <Tecan> asm/system.h: No such file or directory
[02:05:42] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:29:57] <archivist> travelling microscope for stuff like thread measuring 221273965049
[07:46:16] <Tecan> http://pastebin.com/mEiF75Pe
[07:47:13] <Tecan> i had to copy some headers from /usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-39-lowlatency/arch/arm/include maybe that did it the wrong arch ?
[07:51:09] <Tecan> old version of rtai ?
[08:07:11] <Tecan> i dont have ipipe that rs274 wants
[08:21:37] <Tecan> oh i see its the xenomai patch
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[09:27:54] <tjtr33> re: identify metal. nobody suggested sparking the stock?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_testing
[09:28:37] <tjtr33> i was just at recyclers and noticed the guy take some stuf to a pedastal grinder to check what the material was
[09:28:54] <tjtr33> i was impressed someone was so old school
[09:32:32] <tjtr33> http://books.google.com/books?id=jt8DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q&f=false
[10:14:04] <awallin> did anyone from here back this kickstarter?
http://www.dalecnc.com/ any latest news? ATC spindles in hobby size and hobby budget would be interesting..
[10:46:01] <JT-Shop> hmmm I have a 4mm (really 8-32) screw that I need to turn down the end... wondering how to hold it?
[10:51:15] <archivist> nut with a spilt to grip the thread when in a 3 jaw
[10:51:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, lock a couple nuts on the shaft and grip it with them
[10:51:43] <Tom_itx> ^^
[10:51:46] <cradek> yeah I've done it with double nuts (just grab one if they don't line up)
[10:52:06] <JT-Shop> the screw
http://imagebin.org/269126
[10:52:39] <cradek> or you could just remake the whole thing
[10:52:51] <Tom_itx> poke a live center in the end of it so it won't wobble
[10:53:24] <Tom_itx> i've done a couple of those for an air cleaner once
[10:53:55] <Tom_itx> or hold it in a drill and use a grinder while spinning it
[10:54:07] <Tom_itx> not sure how accurate you need it
[10:54:08] <archivist> or file
[10:54:33] <cradek> if you spin it left-handed and mount your tool upside-down the drive nut won't loosen
[10:54:49] <JT-Shop> trying to remember how a close nipple adapter works on a pipe vise...
[10:55:04] <JT-Shop> cradek: that might be the easy way
[10:56:10] * JT-Shop goes to see if tools can somehow be mounted upside down on the CHNC
[10:57:14] <cradek> or maybe you can get a right-side-up tool behind it
[10:57:37] <JT-Shop> looks like a boring bar upside down might work
[10:58:38] <cradek> if you need the small part long and thin, try cutting it to full depth in one pass
[10:58:39] <JT-Shop> yep that's even a better idea use the boring bar on the back side and M4
[10:59:13] <cradek> much less deflection if you do it all at once
[10:59:19] <JT-Shop> it's 0.160 and I need to cut them down to 0.140 so just cutting some of the threads off
[10:59:29] <cradek> ah, easy
[10:59:36] <JT-Shop> it is now lol
[10:59:40] <JT-Shop> I have a plan
[11:05:08] <PCW> 00000FE0FF100057FFED0085
[11:05:10] <PCW> 1111111000001111111100010000000000000101011111111111111011010000000010000101
[11:05:11] <PCW> 7777776666666666555555555544444444443333333333222222222211111111110000000000
[11:05:13] <PCW> 5432109876543210987654321098765432109876543210987654321098765432109876543210
[11:05:14] <PCW> CRC = 1F CRC Remainder = 00 Index det: true Bat det: true
[11:05:16] <PCW> Count = 65531 Turns = 5 ComAbs = 1020
[11:05:18] <PCW> I believe Ive got the Fanuc serial encoders scoped out :-)
[11:05:26] <JT-Shop> nice
[11:05:55] <PCW> 65536 counts/turn is nice
[11:06:17] <PCW> (theres a 1M count model as well)
[11:07:40] <Tom_itx> they must count with the index at high speed
[11:08:34] <PCW> The index is a little funny is really indicates whether the count is really absolute or whether you have lost battery power
[11:34:51] <JT-Shop> Thanks for the ideas guys, the screw holder
http://imagebin.org/269130
[11:35:28] <cradek> cool
[11:41:29] <PetefromTn> nice solution, I have to remove threads of bolts and screws to make shafts etc often. There are lots of good ways to do it.
[12:20:25] <IchGuckLive> hi all around the Globe :D O.O
[12:21:05] <IchGuckLive> what a nice day plasmas where freeking out on orders
[12:21:14] <CaptHindsight> is it Octoberfest yet?
[12:21:25] <IchGuckLive> need to get a high speed laser cutter on 3mm sheet metal !!!
[12:21:32] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: no
[12:21:57] <IchGuckLive> http://www.oktoberfest-tv.de/de/kameras
[12:22:41] <IchGuckLive> as you can see there is no action on the ground jet stil 14days to go
[12:22:50] <IchGuckLive> 3weeks
[12:23:18] <IchGuckLive> 21sep 11:00
[12:26:17] <IchGuckLive> thermometer is this the same in english ?
[12:26:26] <IchGuckLive> to messure the temp
[12:26:52] <CaptHindsight> yes, only we still use F vs C in the US
[12:27:03] <IchGuckLive> b)
[12:27:13] <IchGuckLive> b9
[12:27:29] <IchGuckLive> Thanks
[12:27:46] <IchGuckLive> :B)
[12:30:05] <IchGuckLive> my emotion has gone R.I.P
[12:30:23] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:30:56] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/sign.jpg
[12:31:13] <IchGuckLive> i think i did image2dxf outline 1000 times this wek
[12:32:03] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: WTF stands for
[12:32:32] <IchGuckLive> Loving out load , oh my God
[12:34:30] <IchGuckLive> seen! jesus
[12:35:54] <Tom_itx> !seen IchGuckLive
[12:35:54] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2013-08-29 18:19:14GMT 00:01:48 ago, saying seen! jesus
[12:37:42] <IchGuckLive> :-)
[12:38:10] <IchGuckLive> there are so hard weather in spain where he lives
[12:38:32] <IchGuckLive> maybe he has been afected
[12:38:49] <IchGuckLive> as his home is in a vale tunnel
[12:44:57] <IchGuckLive> im off by it has been a hard smelling smoky day
[12:45:01] <IchGuckLive> BY
[13:04:53] <Tecan> do i need rtai and xenomai ?
[13:05:04] <Tecan> or either or
[13:06:23] <archivist> would you drive a mini and a smart car at the same time
[13:06:46] <Tecan> im just wondering for compile purposes rtai is giving me issues
[13:07:12] <Tecan> and xenomai is not cooperating nicely with code::blocks
[13:07:29] <FinboySlick> archivist: One for each shoe ;)
[13:08:38] <Tecan> RTAI_SYS_VECTOR CONFLICTS WITH APIC VECTORS USED BY RTAI
[13:09:45] <FinboySlick> Tecan: You can't have both at the same time as far as I know.
[13:11:03] <Tecan> with just xenomai it goes checking for RT dir... configure: error: RT not found.
[13:12:49] <Tecan> there arnt any xenomai options in the config either
[13:13:07] <CaptHindsight> Tecan: what problems are you having with RTAI?
[13:13:55] <CaptHindsight> there are working RTAI .debs posted for kernel v3.4
[13:14:26] <Tecan> oh i have 3.5.0
[13:14:52] <CaptHindsight> are you using seb's .deb's?
[13:15:00] <Tecan> no where are they
[13:16:55] <CaptHindsight> http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc/rtai-for-3.4-prerelease/
[13:17:24] <Tecan> that might work for 3.5 ?
[13:17:37] <Tecan> oh i see its the kernel
[13:17:52] <CaptHindsight> those are complete compiled kernels
[13:18:06] <CaptHindsight> do you want to build from scratch?
[13:18:25] <Tecan> maybe
[13:18:38] <cradek> what's your ultimate goal?
[13:19:05] <Tecan> to use emc on my main computer
[13:19:17] <cradek> to control machinery, or just for simulation?
[13:19:26] <Tecan> machine control
[13:20:03] <cradek> ah ok, just checking to make sure you're not totally on the wrong track
[13:20:35] <CaptHindsight> please try the .debs and report back with any problems
[13:20:42] <cradek> yes seb's debs will be the easy way
[13:22:44] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/ShabbyX/RTAI is the current home for the new RTAI patches
[13:23:15] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/ShabbyX/RTAI/blob/master/README.INSTALL has the info for building but not for debian/ubuntu
[13:27:51] <Tecan> will try later probably just wanted to see current state of things ;)
[13:27:56] <Tecan> i'll wait for next iso
[13:29:09] <cradek> does your machine not run the 10.04 cd? there's no reason not to use it if you want a simple install for machine control.
[13:32:31] <dosas> oin #linuxcnc
[13:32:41] <cradek> you made it
[13:32:44] <dosas> lol
[14:11:31] <spack> hey
[14:11:52] <spack> was just looking at the mesa 7i80db
[14:11:57] <spack> looks pretty abdass
[14:11:59] <spack> *badass
[14:12:11] <spack> seems like linuxcnc can't talk to it yet though?
[14:12:57] <CaptHindsight> drivers are currently in the works
[14:13:22] <cradek> there are a lot of dependencies that aren't yet fully worked out
[14:13:41] <cradek> for a retrofit today, recommend choosing the pci-based stuff
[14:14:41] <spack> so for now it'd be more of a custom scripting thing
[14:14:59] <cradek> I don't understand your question
[14:15:16] <spack> i mean i'd have to send commands to it using something other than linuxcnc
[14:15:32] <spack> a script that i write for a particular task for example
[14:15:35] <cradek> I suppose - what's your ultimate goal?
[14:16:20] <spack> i don't have one right now
[14:16:31] <spack> i just like the idea
[14:16:36] <cradek> ah
[14:16:52] <cradek> yeah the ethernet-based stuff should have a interesting future
[14:16:57] <CaptHindsight> spack: currently no driver, PCW mentioned: the Ethernet card are just UDP slaves (send read/write data commands, read data returned)
[14:19:21] <spack> cool, just curious
[14:19:22] <spack> thanks
[14:19:47] <spack> i think my biggest concern now is how to get 480v to my bostomatic if it requires it
[14:20:04] <CaptHindsight> wires? :)
[14:20:47] <skunkworks_> tesla coil..
[14:22:33] <spack> hehe
[14:22:37] <spack> really long wires i suppose
[14:23:07] <spack> or pay the utility company to install 480 service
[14:23:14] <spack> or buy a really really big transformer
[14:23:37] <CaptHindsight> what do you have for power now?
[14:23:45] <spack> 220 single phase
[14:23:58] <spack> 60A i think
[14:24:48] <CaptHindsight> and the bostomatic is 480V 3p?
[14:24:59] <CaptHindsight> how many amps?
[14:25:12] <spack> it's possible, the seller has been in and out of the hospital so i haven't been able to figure out details like that
[14:25:22] <spack> some of them are 220 single phase, some are 480 3 phase
[14:25:26] <spack> i'm hoping i get lucy
[14:25:30] <spack> +k
[14:25:54] <archivist> an inverter or few will fix it
[14:26:50] <spack> inverter + transformer right?
[14:27:58] <archivist> no, 220 inverter to spindle motor for example
[14:28:22] <archivist> inverter== VFD
[14:31:50] <Jymmmm> http://www.boeing.com/Features/2012/10/bds_champ_10_22_12.html
[15:00:23] <spack> so a VFD can output variable voltage as well as frequency?
[15:00:27] <spack> i've never used one beofre
[15:00:29] <spack> *before
[15:01:36] <archivist> not variable voltage except as part of ramping up power
[15:02:46] <archivist> usually it is possible to rewire a 440 motor to 220 for a single phase input 3 phase output vfd
[15:03:14] <spack> just lower torque?
[15:03:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.vfds.com/what-is-a-vfd
[15:03:40] <archivist> no, same but higher current
[15:04:04] <archivist> move from star wiring to delta
[15:04:44] <archivist> wonderful toys, just wish they did not die in my cold damp garage
[15:05:36] <CaptHindsight> archivist: what do they currently there for 3Phase? delta or wye?
[15:07:55] <CaptHindsight> the US used to be nearly all delta until the 80's, now most util wiring comes in as wye
[15:08:39] <archivist> star for 440 motors, whatever is on the motor plate
[15:10:06] <archivist> although larger motors are started in star then switched to delta
[15:11:58] <archivist> I want a vfd to suit a dual speed 440 motor I have on a lathe
[15:16:16] <archivist> sometimes the commons are not brought out to the connection box so you have to untape the coils to find the star point and extend to enable delta and tape it all up again
[15:26:21] <andypugh> I had a little man do that for me on the Mill. I reckoned by the time I had bought all the laquer and insulation and suchlike, I would be spending nearly the £25 he charged.
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[15:54:02] <kwallace2> Has anyone used MTConnect with LinuxCNC?
http://www.amit-deshpande.com/2008/06/mtconnect-live.html
[16:51:56] <CaptHindsight> yeah, any idea who might have something equivalent for less?
[16:53:11] <CaptHindsight> the AA version is only $200 more
[16:53:21] <andypugh> That one does appear to be much the same price everywhere.
[16:53:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Granite-Cube-Pink-6-Face-3x3x3/dp/B007QQPFB0
[16:56:12] <CaptHindsight> considering different approaches to self calibration over temp
[16:56:22] <andypugh> India?
http://www.indiamart.com/microflatdatums/machine-checking-master-squares.html
[16:58:51] <joebog> Good morning
[16:59:00] <joebog> is anybody watching ?
[16:59:02] <CaptHindsight> having permanent fiducials in the machine along with a microscope mounted in the spindle area
[16:59:28] <joebog> oops pardon Capthindsight
[16:59:51] <CaptHindsight> no problem :)
[17:00:00] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: An alternative supplier to Starret:
http://www.standridgegranite.com/accessories.htm#29
[17:00:27] <andypugh> Soe, joebog What can we do for you?
[17:01:05] <joebog> I have an engraving machine to fit up :)
[17:01:49] <joebog> I found linuxcnc after searching a while and getting p*SSed off with windowz prices running to $10,000
[17:02:44] <joebog> Im an ex engineer that used to build SCADA systems based on Perkin Elmer 3205,s
[17:03:05] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: This page has links to prices. And the prices seem much lower than Starrett:
http://www.thome-precision.com/precision-granite-parts-thome.html
[17:03:52] <joebog> NOTE WELL :) Im a hardware eng NOT software so expect lots of dumb questions :)
[17:03:54] <andypugh> Like a 2" x 12" x 6' bar for the same price as the Starrte 3" cube
[17:04:34] <andypugh> Well (he lied) the software is _so_ easy to set up that you only need to know about the hardware.
[17:04:49] <joebog> heh heh heh
[17:05:02] <joebog> been running unix for about 35 years
[17:05:07] <joebog> BUT dont know it
[17:05:09] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: I think Starrett just has the brand name
[17:05:12] <andypugh> Are you thinking stepper or servo?
[17:05:19] <joebog> stepper
[17:05:43] <joebog> its already set up with a Cipher 3 axis sytem, BUT somebody hacked it
[17:05:57] <andypugh> You may well be able to get away with just using a parallel port even.
[17:06:00] <joebog> PLUS cipher software is like its OS CRAP !!
[17:06:35] <joebog> windowz didnt work before, it doesnt work now and it wont work in future
[17:07:10] <joebog> PLUS its a games platform and Im a little long in the tooth for shootemups
[17:07:27] <andypugh> To be fair, many thousands of folk are running Windows and Mach3 perfectly happily.
[17:07:45] <joebog> wots Mach3 ?
[17:07:53] <joebog> apart from 3 times the speed of sound
[17:08:00] <andypugh> It's a Windows-based CNC controller.
[17:08:20] <joebog> and only costs $25000 and crashes 3 times daily
[17:08:36] <joebog> gets four viruses a week and is constantly juggling trojans
[17:09:10] <andypugh> No, it's about $175. But the rest is probably true.
http://www.machsupport.com
[17:09:11] <joebog> PLUS when you check resources ya have 5 bytes of memory left
[17:09:32] <joebog> Thanks andy :)
[17:09:41] <joebog> but Ill pass on window$
[17:09:46] <joebog> I have 5 puters
[17:09:55] <joebog> ALL running some version of linux
[17:10:03] <joebog> even my pad is Android
[17:10:08] <andypugh> Just trying to be fair-minded.
[17:10:17] <joebog> Its OK
[17:10:22] <andypugh> All my machines run LinuxCNC.
[17:10:32] <joebog> good :)
[17:11:25] <andypugh> Does your machine have conventional step-dir drives?
[17:11:27] <joebog> This is the first "conversion" I have done !!! but if its not to dramatic setting it up there will be more
[17:11:53] <joebog> yep it does, its a 3 axis machine but I have an indexer to fit up
[17:12:01] <joebog> so it will end up as four axis
[17:12:18] <joebog> its primary role is making gun parts
[17:12:28] <joebog> the job is for the local gunsmith
[17:12:48] <joebog> Im just the silly bugger thats doing the work :)
[17:13:10] <CaptHindsight> I still have Mach on the Matsuura, it makes up position info, it updates position info from the MPG vs from the encoders
[17:13:16] <joebog> its an english pantographic engraver
[17:13:28] <joebog> I will post pics and do a write up as I go
[17:14:05] <joebog> it has a 3 axix Cipher controller fitted now
[17:14:15] <joebog> but Cipher software is $3000
[17:14:17] <andypugh> If it is pantographic does that mean it has wierd kinematics?
[17:14:56] <joebog> hhmmm no I dont think so
[17:15:12] <spack> ooh, gun parts
[17:15:25] <joebog> I have worked on quite a few engravers and small mills
[17:15:35] <joebog> I cant see any problems ( yet :) )
[17:16:33] <joebog> I have some photos already, BUT Ill have to hop over this partition to Mint 13 to get em
[17:16:48] <andypugh> Have you downloaded the LiveCD and found a machine with decently low latency?
[17:17:12] <joebog> I have a quad core Xeon 3360
[17:17:29] <joebog> I havent tested it yet
[17:17:46] <joebog> for latency I mean
[17:18:32] <andypugh> Latency actually tends to be better on relatively feeble machines. The all-time favourite was probably the Intel D525 which is a 1.6GHz Atom board.
[17:19:30] <joebog> and where would I find a dinosaur like that ?? :)
[17:20:06] <joebog> PLUS I havent seen a 10 meg stepper drive hard drive in years :D
[17:21:00] <joebog> the zeon is the oldest machine I have
[17:21:03] <joebog> or could find
[17:21:19] <joebog> Its actually my old server
[17:21:40] <joebog> but as it runs dead cold I expect it to last a while
[17:22:11] <andypugh> Try it, you can boot from the LiveCD (either an actual CD, or a USB drive with the ISO on it) and try the latency test without actually doing any installation.
[17:22:17] <joebog> anyway I will test it shortly
[17:22:34] <joebog> yep I know
[17:22:37] <joebog> I have the seedie
[17:22:47] <joebog> I downloaded it yesterday
[17:23:18] <joebog> Im actually running it now !! its where I got the IRC channel info from
[17:23:22] <joebog> Im on my laptop
[17:23:53] <joebog> this is partition 3 the other two partitions are Mint 13 and studio 12.04
[17:25:54] <andypugh> Do you know how many IO lines you will need to run the whole system>
[17:25:56] <andypugh> ?
[17:26:07] <joebog> nope
[17:26:10] <joebog> not yet
[17:26:17] <joebog> thats why Im here :)
[17:26:49] <andypugh> Well, 2 pins per axis is a given. What does it have by way of enables and limit switches, probes, spindle controller....
[17:27:26] <joebog> I have x,y,and z axis now
[17:27:43] <joebog> there are only two limit switches I have found that are still connected
[17:28:01] <joebog> spindle speed is inverter controlled
[17:29:03] <joebog> as I mentioned, I have an indexing head that I will be adding as I go
[17:29:06] <andypugh> You probably need to allow 3 mote pins for the inverter then (start, direction, PWM)
[17:29:40] <andypugh> And some hardware to convert PWM to voltage for the Inverter.
[17:29:53] <andypugh> Any idea what step rate you will need?
[17:30:05] <joebog> not yet
[17:30:11] <joebog> once again thats why Im here
[17:30:30] <joebog> The inverter is separate physical control
[17:30:41] <joebog> all I will need for that is on/off sig
[17:30:56] <andypugh> Do you know the current axis speeds, how they are driven and what the gear ratios are?
[17:31:04] <joebog> I will post some pics later today
[17:31:16] <andypugh> You don't want G-code control of spindle speed?
[17:31:25] <joebog> the machine works quite slow
[17:32:20] <joebog> BUT its fast enough for what it has to do, The steppers are about 100 mm cubes and are rated 45 volts 3.5 amps
[17:32:24] <andypugh> Parallel port might work then, though some sort of buffering is probably wise.
[17:32:44] <joebog> there are NO data plates attatched !!!!! another Cipher "modification"
[17:33:22] <joebog> I have bought a parr converter and 5 drive boatrds
[17:33:48] <joebog> from your recommended hardware stuff
[17:34:08] <joebog> from cncgeeker.com
[17:34:10] <andypugh> Ah, which ones?
[17:34:33] <joebog> 5 channels TA8435 series
[17:35:18] <joebog> they should arrive prob next friday
[17:35:21] <andypugh> There are no existing drives in the machine?
[17:35:28] <joebog> Im in australia BTW
[17:35:33] <joebog> north queensland
[17:35:52] <joebog> yep its a Cipher machine control box
[17:36:02] <joebog> its still made and is available
[17:36:22] <joebog> its called a Cipher3
[17:36:38] <joebog> BUT as its windows based its a brick !!!
[17:36:49] <andypugh> You might not need those drives then. It might be easier to keep the existing drives that match the motors.
[17:37:19] <joebog> mebbe
[17:38:24] <andypugh> Google is not playing ball, do you have any links to the Cipher stuff?
[17:38:29] <CaptHindsight> the whole setup was only $129
[17:38:39] <andypugh> Yeah, I am sure it will come in handy.
[17:39:01] <joebog> correct Capt
[17:39:18] <andypugh> Though, if you had come here first I would probably hae been suggesting the Mesa 5i25/7i76 combo hooked up to the original drives. (that's $200)
[17:39:39] <joebog> gimme a sec Ill get the link for yas
[17:40:07] <joebog> they are all belt drives
[17:40:13] <joebog> and appear to be 1:1
[17:40:20] <joebog> I dont know motor speeds
[17:41:48] <joebog> you blokes have gotta change yer search engine in the distribution !!!! google sucks !!!!
[17:42:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.kosmodrom.com.ua/data/cncstepdriver/ta8435hq.pdf 1.5A avg. 2.5A peak
[17:43:06] <tjtr33> kwallace2, did the MTconnect pages render for you? kwallace2, I use ffox 20.0 and get 'This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. '
[17:43:49] <joebog> nah I cant find it !!!!
[17:43:59] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: that link to the old Popular Mechanics was great. I didn't know that Google had them available
[17:44:30] <tjtr33> tons of issues ( after my link point was some DIY ECM )
[17:44:45] <andypugh> 100mm square steppers sound like NEMA34, and that TA8435 driver sounds a little small for them.
[17:44:51] <CaptHindsight> yeah, i spent too much time earlier going through them
[17:45:12] <andypugh> How does the current PC connet to the controller?
[17:45:35] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: I was surprised by how much hasn't changed in 50+ years
[17:46:21] <joebog> serial cable
[17:46:23] <joebog> 9 pin
[17:46:37] <andypugh> Ah
[17:47:08] <joebog> I cant find any links here
[17:47:12] <andypugh> Worth looking inside the box to see what is in there.
[17:47:18] <joebog> Ill send em in later so ya can look
[17:47:30] <joebog> maybe
[17:47:37] <joebog> I can do that later today
[17:47:43] <andypugh> If it is modularised then it may still be possoible to retain the drives and PSU but not the controller.
[17:47:51] <joebog> its only 08:30 here
[17:48:06] <joebog> not really modulaised
[17:48:08] <andypugh> I don't have much of today left, 2330 UK time.
[17:48:13] <joebog> I can tell by the box
[17:48:47] <joebog> and Ill nearly bet its all descreet circuitry
[17:49:17] <joebog> looks like a keyboard case from the early 80,s
[17:49:35] <joebog> something honeywell would make
[17:52:58] <andypugh> That may not be altogether a bad thing.
[17:53:51] <joebog> true !!!
[17:54:08] <joebog> Im an auld fart and cant see SMD stuff :D
[17:54:14] <tjtr33> joebog: these guys ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlteVxlK3Mo
[17:54:15] <Tecan> (PlteVxlK3Mo) "Welcome to Cipher Symmetry (pt4).mpg" by "ciphertechnology" is "Howto" - Length: 0:01:38
[17:55:00] <JT-Shop> that's why they make glasses... from one old fart to another lol
[17:55:24] <joebog> I am running linuxcnc OS it doesnt play videos yet :D
[20:22:20] <Tom_itx> looks like it gouged a couple places
[20:23:23] <Tom_itx> maybe that was intentional...
[22:19:24] <joebog> http://s80.photobucket.com/user/amp_mangler/library/linuxcnc_fitting
[22:19:39] <joebog> some pictures of the driver boards and cipher box
[22:26:14] <joebog> guess yas are all asleep huh ?
[22:26:36] <WalterN> is there a good open source inventory database type program thing that would be good for machine shops?
[22:28:13] <WalterN> I havent really looked yet... thought I would ask first
[22:28:31] <joebog> Have you looked in the repositries ?
[22:28:49] <joebog> hhmm Im not much help Walter :) sorry
[22:30:20] <joebog> Im sure there is something there that could be adapted with little pain !!
[22:30:29] <joebog> at least thats been my experience
[22:31:47] <WalterN> yeah
[22:32:11] <joebog> Im more a hardware sort of person !!
[22:32:30] <joebog> the reason Im here is to get help on the software more than anything else
[22:32:42] <WalterN> it should be able to store order dates, quantity, have a description, the CNC program, and maybe a picture or three of the machine setup (if its something more complicated)
[22:33:23] <joebog> hhmm that sounds pretty simple !!
[22:33:38] <WalterN> a wiki would technically work, but I think its kind of a lot overkill
[22:33:47] <WalterN> and not really ideal
[22:34:42] <joebog> I use GCstar for some of my stuff, although its more of a "collections manager"
[22:34:48] <joebog> its highly adaptable though
[22:35:20] <joebog> small download very comprehensive and lots of "addons" that you could rename
[22:36:05] <joebog> merbbe you are like me a little ?? plug n play to do exactly as I want
[22:36:13] <joebog> never happens that way though :)
[22:38:53] <WalterN> enh
[22:39:10] <WalterN> I've written a few small programs in C before... its kinda fun
[22:39:23] <WalterN> C and java
[22:39:51] <joebog> I built lots of rack cabinets with lots of core memory :)
[22:40:02] <joebog> tape drives that weighed 50 kilos :)
[22:40:25] <joebog> 200lb LINEAR !!! 200 amp 5 volt power supplies
[22:40:49] <joebog> transformer bigger than an average welding machine :)(
[22:41:27] <joebog> Perkin Elmer processor boards
[22:41:38] <joebog> BUT true 64 bit 30 years ago
[22:42:07] <joebog> we used Motorola 68030 as IO controllers
[22:48:55] <kwallace2> joebog: It looks like you have three IM2000F based stepper drivers. The IM2000F datasheets are easy to find. With a little reverse engineering you should be able reuse these.
[22:50:43] <uw> 68030 ah that brings me back
[22:50:51] <kwallace2> You should be able to use a buffer parallel port breakout board and a little wiring to get the axes to move.
[22:54:48] <pcw_home> Yeah they look like normal step/dir drives (but you need to look up the drive part#, probably on heatsink somewhere)
[23:04:34] <kwallace2> joebog: Maybe?
http://www.wallawalla.edu/academics/departments/engineering/students/classes/engr480/docs/Steppers/IM483.pdf
[23:06:34] <joebog> sorry telephone call
[23:06:36] <joebog> Im back
[23:07:26] <joebog> checked the link, and saved the sheet
[23:07:34] <joebog> and yep you are correct !!!
[23:07:38] <joebog> same drivers
[23:08:54] <joebog> AND, my judgement of motor size was close these boards are very close in specs to the five I have ordered
[23:09:18] <joebog> 4 amps peak and 3 amps RMS
[23:09:47] <joebog> the boards I ordered are 2.5 amps !!! but with some additional heatsinking I think they will at least work
[23:13:17] <joebog> have you "had a guess" at the Cipher box origin ?
[23:15:32] <kwallace2> I have no idea.
[23:17:18] <joebog> do you have machines working with Linuxcnc ??
[23:18:54] <kwallace2> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/index.html
[23:20:23] <joebog> hhmm I am talking to the right person at least :)
[23:24:11] <joebog> I have neither built nor tested it, so it might work, ... or it might blow up and burn your house down.)
[23:25:59] <joebog> I love your enthusiasm
[23:26:13] <joebog> AND !!!! you use veroboard
[23:26:30] <joebog> I still have boxes and boxes of veropins
[23:26:44] <joebog> AND matrix board pins
[23:26:57] <joebog> the silver plating is going black however
[23:28:26] <kwallace2> It looks like the Cipher has a serial port for the PC connection so might need special control software. You might be able to jog the axes without the PC connection though.
[23:28:35] <joebog> your brisgport mill table is about the same size as the engraver Im working on
[23:28:50] <joebog> yep
[23:29:17] <CaptHindsight> joebog:
http://www.kosmodrom.com.ua/data/cncstepdriver/ta8435hq.pdf 1.5A avg. 2.5A peak
[23:29:22] <joebog> I already rewired the motors after sorting the wiring from the breakout board I bought from the Cipher people
[23:29:43] <joebog> $240 for a 25 way D connector and two rows of screw terminals !!!!!!
[23:30:24] <joebog> ouich !!! CaptHindsight
[23:30:35] <joebog> looks like I AM the hindsight :(
[23:30:53] <joebog> those specs are NOT on the website that I could see
[23:31:34] <joebog> I cant jog the motors, BUT at power on the motors run as the controller does a reset
[23:31:38] <CaptHindsight> took some digging
[23:31:46] <joebog> so I know that the motors themselves work
[23:31:55] <joebog> thanks for that
[23:33:04] <joebog> at my age it will be fun, I jump in at the deep end, and with some help I may actaully acheive something that works
[23:34:06] <joebog> have saved the data Captain :)
[23:34:09] <joebog> thanks again
[23:34:29] <joebog> .ua is ukrain isnt it ?
[23:35:26] <ve7it> yahoo... just tried installing autocad 14 under wine on ubuntu 12.04 and it works perfectly (and screaming fast) - the installer says optimized for windows 95!
[23:35:48] <joebog> wow !!! I love that bed feed screw Mr Wallace
[23:36:55] <joebog> old feed screw would have been ajax ???
[23:39:01] <joebog> doesnt ortocad need passwords and registration ?
[23:39:36] <joebog> or was it a dongle ???
[23:40:07] <kwallace2> I don't know what ajax is.
[23:41:10] <joebog> ajax is square thread !!!
[23:41:13] <joebog> like a vice screw
[23:41:25] <joebog> or an ajax jack used in construction
[23:41:39] <joebog> hey hey you even know what an antenna is !!!!!
[23:41:47] <joebog> I am glad I met you :)
[23:42:36] <joebog> BUT unfortunately I also know what J numbers are !!!! they are the imaginary dollars in my wallet :D
[23:43:33] <joebog> heh heh heh nice little site Kirk !!!
[23:43:47] <joebog> I earned my backhoe ticket in a 590 super
[23:47:53] <kwallace2> A buddy needed some culverts put in so he had another friend show me what the levers did and what the machine was capable of doing said go at it. It took a while to learn and compensate for the 580 being completely worn out, but it turned out well.
[23:50:12] <kwallace2> This was a two wheel drive, the differential wouldn't lock and the brakes barely worked so it took a bit of planning and care.
[23:50:42] <joebog> you have just described a new 590 M
[23:51:01] <joebog> and nowadays they are joystick NOT control levers !!!
[23:51:24] <joebog> you are an amateur radio operator ??
[23:51:41] <joebog> or dare I say it in goddam a "ham"
[23:52:03] <joebog> goddam = meercan or to spell it american
[23:54:10] <kwallace2> No, my dad was a ham, I have his old Collins radio, but I only got into radio to setup WiFi to my neighbors.
[23:54:28] <joebog> OK
[23:54:33] <joebog> its all good :)
[23:54:58] <joebog> I am not an amatuer either, BUT have built LOTS of radios and antennas
[23:55:05] <joebog> including satelite dishes
[23:55:38] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: you still around?
[23:56:22] <kwallace2> I was a DirecTV installer for a while.
[23:56:43] <joebog> http://s80.photobucket.com/user/amp_mangler/library/?sort=3&page=1
[23:56:49] <joebog> my photobucket page
[23:57:00] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: me and my dad are in serious talks with buying a local machine shop :3
[23:57:25] <joebog> BE WARNED !!! any derogatory comments about the skinny guy with Osama's beard will be treated with laughter !!!!
[23:57:35] <kwallace2> I'd like to do some radio astronomy with my BUD.
[23:57:55] <joebog> I worked with the CSIRO for a while
[23:58:02] <joebog> radio astronomy is superb
[23:58:13] <joebog> and VERY demanding of my brain cell
[23:58:52] <joebog> actually I worked there when the Chapparal feedhorn was developed
[23:59:08] <joebog> its what makes the internet work, and your mobile phone
[23:59:31] <joebog> hhmm that was februrary 1980
[23:59:50] <joebog> we had a PDP11 computer "D with tape reader and punch cards
