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[00:01:37] <toxx> hi, is there any documentation how to use rs422 with MESA 5I25 / 7I76?
[00:02:16] <toxx> can I use rs422 master with rs485 components?
[00:16:07] <CaptHindsight> heh, battling with the controls on the Matsuura, USB faults and poor PLC programming
[00:22:26] <CaptHindsight> when you reach the limit switches it puts the DC servo drives in a fault that only resets by powering off/on the machine
[00:23:13] <CaptHindsight> if you shut down the PC with the PLC running it turns the coolant pumps on
[00:26:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.viperservo.com/V200.htm must be wired without a reset
[00:49:27] <Tecan> you guys need to try a umx beast 3d with as3x technology
[00:49:56] <Tecan> learn to control it with crrcsim first
[00:50:11] <Tecan> and have hotglue ready for the maiden voyage
[01:35:03] <CaptHindsight> anyone know what the cost are for the Allen Bradley/Rockwell PLC programming software?
[01:41:02] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:56:13] <CaptHindsight> $1200 for programming software, $500 for a laptop on ebay that comes with it installed
[01:58:19] <CaptHindsight> the crappy PLC lists for over $2000
[01:59:06] <Jymmm> FGPA Card $120. For everythign else... Mastercard
[01:59:47] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what the HMI touch panel sells for?
[02:01:03] <CaptHindsight> $2500 used on ebay
[02:01:27] <CaptHindsight> sheesh, I'll sell somebody the PLC and panel and end up getting the mill for free
[02:35:16] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:17:31] * Loetmichel mutates more and more to a grumpy old fuck... just cleaned the workshop... and commented to a co-worker: "we should get a new apprentice... which surly can brush up the dirt better than me" ;-)
[03:41:16] <Jymmm> wheres the grumpy part?
[03:41:57] <Loetmichel> that was just for the fuigure ;-)
[03:42:00] <Loetmichel> -u
[05:41:54] <jthornton> lumpy internet today with the rains
[05:45:31] <archivist> it has been pissing it down here too
[05:45:53] <archivist> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23415544
[07:47:16] <Guest49720> hello can som one help me i had an general problem with linux
[07:49:43] <archivist> ?
[07:52:24] * archivist taps his crystal ball for a response
[07:53:05] <Guest49720> my laptop is freezing if i run any linux on them
[07:54:14] <Jymmm> archivist: :Reply hazy try again
[07:54:43] <Guest49720> maybe somone from germany here
[07:54:43] <Guest49720> ?
[07:55:53] <archivist> there are some but in general linux and cnc and laptops do not mix so most in here do not use them for machine control
[07:57:23] <Guest49720> i cant run linux
[07:57:51] <skunkworks> Laptops usually have too many unconfigureable power saving 'features'...
[07:58:17] <skunkworks> which don't work well with realtime
[07:58:29] <Guest49720> a lot of friends has linux on their laptops
[07:58:40] <Guest49720> and they dont have any problems
[07:59:16] <skunkworks> linux runs just fine on laptops... linuxcnc may or may not..
[07:59:52] <Jymmm> Guest49720: gibt es einige, aber im Allgemeinen linux und cnc und Laptops nicht mischen so dass die meisten hier nicht verwenden sie für die Maschinensteuerung
[08:00:40] <Guest49720> the problem is that an normal ubuntu freeze when i conect with wifi or the cpu ghz goes on 2.34 and normaly the cpu has 1,7 ghz
[08:01:11] <Guest49720> bodhi and mint freeze to and puppy and also android
[08:01:50] <archivist> are you thinking this is a linux support channel?
[08:01:50] <Jymmm> then maybe you have a suck laptop.
[08:02:15] <Guest49720> ja
[08:02:28] <Guest49720> but why works windows
[08:02:30] <Jymmm> Guest49720: Are you trying to do CNC??
[08:02:38] <Guest49720> yes
[08:02:44] <Jymmm> Guest49720: What machine?
[08:03:22] <Guest49720> i wnat to try ist first before is buy mashine and now i know that i cant use the linuxcnc
[08:03:52] <Jymmm> Guest49720: Use a desktop instead of laptop
[08:05:59] <Guest49720> i had planed an little mashine like this
http://gocnc.de/images/A4evo.jpg and use them with an laptop as an mobile mashine
[08:07:05] <Jymmm> Guest49720: Did you read when archivist, skunkworks and I translated that laptops and linuxcnc most never work with laptops?
[08:07:17] <archivist> better to chuck a desktop mother board in/under that
[08:07:26] <Guest49720> and why
[08:07:32] <skunkworks> Laptops usually have too many unconfigureable power saving 'features'...
[08:07:39] <Jymmm> Guest49720: APM, power manageent
[08:07:53] <archivist> power management screws with realtime performance
[08:07:58] <Guest49720> und das hest?
[08:08:33] <skunkworks> if you wait a couple of hours - there always seems to be a few german folk on here...
[08:08:53] <Jymmm> Guest49720: power conservation, as in going to sleep for a slit second frequently to conserve battery life
[08:09:00] <Jymmm> split
[08:09:10] <skunkworks> isn't Loetmichel german?
[08:09:42] <Jymmm> skunkworks: He's just a pita, but could be =)
[08:09:49] <skunkworks> heh
[08:09:55] <Jymmm> =)
[08:10:35] <Jymmm> I love CL, picked up a new Leatherman Wave for $35
[08:23:54] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: i am
[08:24:11] <Loetmichel> why?
[08:25:10] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i i al a pain in your a** then i have at least a pourpose ;-)
[08:25:22] <Loetmichel> if i am
[08:25:39] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Yes, yes you do.
[08:25:43] <Jymmm> ;)
[08:32:09] <Loetmichel> btw: Jymmm: "most never working" is an exaggeratiion
[08:32:41] <Loetmichel> i have 2 IBM thinkpads that work great as will do fine as LinuxCNC-hosts
[08:33:01] <Loetmichel> and surpeisingly no problems wirt powersafe-interrupts
[08:33:02] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Yes Dear
[08:33:22] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Then give Guest49720 one
[08:33:48] <Loetmichel> h3e should buy them himself ;-)
[08:34:03] <Loetmichel> itsco.de, thjat is whre i got mine from
[08:34:17] <Loetmichel> <- sorts his fingers ;-)
[08:35:10] <Guest49720> welche thinkpads hast du?
[08:36:04] <Loetmichel> but that the T61p and the x60s (with docking) work as linuxCNC hosts is a bit of luck. NORMALLY the laptops are so riddled with powersafe algorithms that yoou have jitter without end
[08:36:12] <Loetmichel> s.o.
[09:20:45] <Guest49720> is in ubuntu an coman to run programms?
[09:27:40] <sirdancealo2> AR__, sup?
[09:28:25] <AR__> not much
[09:29:23] * sirdancealo2 reads
[09:29:35] * sirdancealo2 the scrollback
[09:32:27] <sirdancealo2> AR__, i thought i knew you from #diycnc but now im not so sure?
[09:32:43] <AR__> oh yeah i used to go there
[09:32:47] * sirdancealo2 doesnt feel like doing anything serious....as always
[09:32:48] <AR__> but always forget to join
[09:33:04] <sirdancealo2> ok
[09:36:46] <CaptHindsight> if i had time I"d like to see about getting Linuxcnc working on the ARM Chromebook
[09:38:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/samsung-arm-chromebook
[11:18:38] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[11:53:37] * JT-Shop wonders how to tell if my anodizing chemicals are still good?
[11:54:25] <Connor> Try them out on a test piece
[11:54:26] <Connor> ?
[11:55:39] <JT-Shop> if it was only one bath that might work, but there are 5 different stations... which one is bad if the part does not come out right?
[11:56:22] <Connor> No clue.
[11:56:23] <JT-Shop> well I know the acid bath is fresh so that leaves 4 to guess at
[12:03:57] <Loetmichel> NaOH draws co2 out of the air and reduces in a matter of days when open
[12:04:33] <Loetmichel> so that would be a candidate for "make it fresh anyway, NaOH pearls are dirt cheap"
[12:04:58] <Loetmichel> leaves three
[12:05:04] <Loetmichel> one will be pure water for sealing...
[12:05:09] <Loetmichel> and one the colour
[12:05:14] <Loetmichel> ... and the last one: no idea
[12:07:28] <JT-Shop> what is NaOH?
[12:08:02] <cpresser> sodium hydroxide
[12:08:06] <Loetmichel> in chemical notation ;-)
[12:08:19] <JT-Shop> ah
[12:08:20] <Loetmichel> didnt know the english name for it ;-)
[12:08:32] <JT-Shop> me neither :)
[12:08:39] <jdh> 'caustic'
[12:09:02] <Loetmichel> thtats its first name
[12:09:06] <Loetmichel> :-)
[12:09:23] <JT-Shop> the first is a degreaser and the etch and desmut is skipped with 6061
[12:09:56] <JT-Shop> next is acid then color then sealer
[12:10:05] <JT-Shop> looks like I don't have enough heaters :(
[12:10:26] <jdh> got some copper pipe and propane!
[12:10:50] <JT-Shop> I'll get some cartridge heaters and a switch
[12:12:05] * cpresser hates the fact that chemicals dont have international names. why cant the element-names be the same in every language :/
[12:12:09] <JT-Shop> can't use copper in an anodizing tank
[12:12:38] <jdh> for the burners, under the tanks
[12:12:57] <JT-Shop> the tank is an ice chest
[12:13:11] <JT-Shop> the rest are 6 gallon buckets
[12:14:55] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:17:31] <JT-Shop> lunch time :)
[12:17:38] <IchGuckLive> BBQ
[12:17:46] <IchGuckLive> not ready thunderstorms around
[12:20:04] <archivist> hmm cheap fleabay 261251439583
[12:22:43] <jthornton> very nice
[12:23:40] <jthornton> is Cheshire like our counties in a state or more like a state in a country?
[12:24:10] <archivist> yes like one of those :0
[12:24:57] <archivist> probably same as county in a state
[12:29:59] <IchGuckLive> well if yu use always the same it might be pricise
[12:30:17] <IchGuckLive> but it doe not look very
[12:31:02] <jdh> andypugh: got any pics of your 9x Z motor mounting?
[12:33:07] <andypugh> It's nothing clever. Just a foot-mount directly on the back of the bed. I got lucky with the V-belts. (I removed _all_ of the original drive system and went with twin Z-section belts and a Taperlock bush)
[12:38:53] <jdh> for your Z?
[12:40:02] <andypugh> Ah, sorry, I was talking about the spindle.
[12:40:28] <andypugh> Must learn to read.
[12:41:38] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/20UsgDxjZ7V09VCKZ833T9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[12:42:28] <andypugh> But if I did it again... I would bolt the plate across the end of the bed, with the motor pointing the other way, to make room for a leadscrew cover.
[12:43:56] <jdh> how big is that motor?
[12:44:09] <andypugh> 3-stack NEMA 23
[12:44:25] <jdh> I have a rather large, round N34 I was going to use.
[12:46:02] <jdh> heh, but you will think you do after 20 or so.
[12:46:06] <jdh> <urk>
[13:00:01] <fbx90> i'm hereby homologating my user names
[13:13:14] <IchGuckLive> hi spackWrk former fbx90 B)
[13:13:41] <IchGuckLive> ok its getting worse outaside i need to finish early today
[13:13:43] <IchGuckLive> BY
[13:38:41] <ReadError_> i think im going to need to setup "water bong" filtration
[13:38:47] <ReadError_> i keep killin shopvac motors
[13:41:34] <`Nerobro> ReadError_, I have a thought for you.
[13:41:38] <`Nerobro> "catbox" filters.
[13:41:44] <`Nerobro> which may be similar to water bong
[13:42:49] <`Nerobro> http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/av-air-brush-trick.html
[13:43:04] <`Nerobro> Back when Tony Bingelis was painting his Falco one of his neighbors complained about the smell. I told him he didn't have a big enough cat box.
[13:43:05] <`Nerobro> The average cat box is 20" long by 14" wide. So you build a box 20-1/2" long by 14-1/2" wide by about 30" tall. The box slides down over the cat box, which is four inches deep and contains 2" of water. Inside the box you've built, there are five partitions spaced about 3" part, except for the input and output which are about 4". Two of the partitions are open at the top but extend down INTO the water. The other three partitions are sealed at the top bu
[13:43:05] <`Nerobro> t only extend downward to within one inch of the water.
[13:43:57] <ReadError_> hmmm no pictures
[13:44:01] <ReadError_> ;(
[13:44:09] <ReadError_> i have alot of very fine dust
[13:44:16] <ReadError_> which clogs up my hepa filters quickly
[13:44:26] <`Nerobro> the catbox would do it
[13:44:27] <ReadError_> so a prefilter, diffused into water
[13:44:54] <ReadError_> figure i could just dump the muck and refill
[13:45:03] <`Nerobro> it works by making the air path bounce off of water
[13:45:03] <`Nerobro> several times
[13:45:04] <`Nerobro> so the water picks up the dust
[13:45:06] <`Nerobro> the same way that rainbow vacuum cleaners work
[13:45:14] <`Nerobro> after a very, very, very long time.
[13:46:22] <andypugh> `Nerobro: The Austin "Champ" jeep had the same arangement with oil on the engine intake filter.
[13:46:43] <`Nerobro> andypugh, I know of oil bath filters.. I thought they just used wicking action to pull oil into the foam.
[13:46:48] <`Nerobro> But I haven't pulled one apart.
[13:47:07] <andypugh> I think the one on the Champ was pretty unusual.
[13:53:30] <ReadError_> oh i see
[13:53:41] <ReadError_> hm that might be worth a shot too
[13:54:02] <ReadError_> i figured i could use 2 vacs to compensate for the extra resistance
[13:54:17] <`Nerobro> The catbox traps have very, veyr, very little resistance.
[13:54:37] <`Nerobro> you've got 20-30 square inches of open flow path
[14:16:15] <jdh> why 'catbox'?
[14:23:13] <jdh> we have some chip collection systems that are like Rainbow vacuums. For combustible metals
[14:25:05] <`Nerobro> jdh, because catboxes are very, very cheap.
[14:25:07] <`Nerobro> and they are water tight
[14:25:34] <jdh> oh, you really mean catbox. Dunno what that is.
[14:25:48] <`Nerobro> A cat litter pan
[14:26:46] <`Nerobro> A rectangular oil pan would do it too
[14:26:56] <`Nerobro> you could do the same with a plastic storage box.
[14:38:01] <mozmck> Nerobro: Tony Bingelis? are you an airplane builder?
[14:40:41] <jdh> it bounces off the water, or is pulled through the water?
[14:42:00] <mozmck> I think it bounces off the water, and the particles being heavier than air get trapped in the water.
[14:52:08] <skunkworks> heh pentium 3 733mhz worked great (latency) put a 1ghz proccessor in and then had to do smi...
[15:00:00] <shure> How can I change the feedrate in g-code while being in a move?
[15:00:35] <shure> I guess that's not possible at all and I have to dissect a movement into smaller movements with each their own feedrate?
[15:01:27] <cradek> right
[15:04:50] <shure> Is it possible to adjust the max acceleration parameter on the fly, in axis?
[15:05:10] <cradek> still no
[15:09:18] <shure> :( Any other suggestions for an arbitrary accelerated movement? E.g. When the workpiece is just too heavy for the standard max acceleration.
[15:13:37] <archivist> during cuts? is it a servo system
[15:14:04] <archivist> or better what is the real problem
[15:17:28] <jthornton> is this an echo from yesterday?
[15:23:29] <archivist> after looking at the log yes, just use g1 and set the feed rate dont use g0
[15:24:50] <archivist> needs the path and speeds programming throughout
[17:30:54] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[18:15:06] <shure> archivist_herron: it is a stepper system, sadly.
[22:34:27] <PetefromTn> Evening fellow LinuxCNCers!!
[23:05:16] <PetefromTn> Well guess not then LOL...
