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[01:47:13] <tjtr33> i am very impressed with Rockhopper, esp the hal diagramming.
[01:47:25] <tjtr33> i've yapped about a visual hal diagram editor for years, but no got.
[01:47:34] <tjtr33> these links may inspire better programmers than I.
[01:47:46] <tjtr33> For the look & feel, try looking at Rhino|Grasshopper|Firefly ( try
http://www.grasshopper3d.com/video/firefly-for-grasshopper ).
[01:47:53] <tjtr33> Then add a really huge display with scrolling zooming to aid in the visualization ( google reactivision for finger tracking graph nodes ), or view this
http://lmnts.lmnarchitects.com/interaction/grasshopper-canvas-meet-kinect/ .
[01:47:56] <tjtr33> i lost the url to that last bit in 2 cases of cd backups at the wichita fest.
[01:57:25] <EDocToor> Hello Peeps: Question: I want to add a device that OUTPUTS 30 volts to my INPUT on my parallel port which requires 5 volts.. what is the best way to remove the extra 25 volts? A voltage divider with a 5 volt regulator?
[02:01:09] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:31:00] <archivist> EDocToor, partly but use diodes to limit what the port sees
[02:40:51] <archivist> EDocToor, if your "output" is open collector, it just needs a pull up to 5v
[02:41:58] <EDocToor> archivist, I assume that a lot of people have tried to put a 10-30 volt prox sensor to the limit switch contact on their BOB , break out board, I was hoping to get more details. But I don't know how to research the circuit. So, I that is why I asked the question here.. The sensor is PNP and outputs 30 volts when activated
[02:43:53] <archivist> also a level shifter using a couple of transistors would be ok
[02:47:25] <archivist> some examples
http://www.johnhearfield.com/Eng/Schmitt.htm especially the last on the bottom of the page
[02:47:46] <archivist> there are other ways too
[02:47:53] <EDocToor> There are a lot of options: resistors and diodes: transistors: etc.. AWESOME.. thanks for the spoon feeding LOL
[03:44:53] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:31:01] <abetusk> Tom_itx, CaptHindsight, Aero-Tec3, thanks. I just bought a halogen light and it seemed to have cured well after 30mins under the lamp. I also think I was putting on a thicker coat that I needed. The amount of actual paint needed is minuscule, and I think getting that right helped a lot
[04:42:54] <abetusk> oh, also, I use a kind of 'sponge' method, where I use a sponge to apply the paint. It gives the soldermask a little bit of a texture. In terms of functionality, do you think this is a problem?
[06:19:29] * jthornton reads back and wonders if we have birds in here now LOL
[07:16:47] <RyanS_> Is this not measuring the run out of the chuck?
http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_lathe/Chucks/Back_plate/Runout_.jpg
[07:21:24] <cradek> it's measuring the runout of the spindle + chuck + bar
[07:21:36] <cradek> you can expect most of the error to be in the chuck
[07:22:20] <cradek> 3 jaw chucks can have different runouts at different clamping diameters, and at different distances from the chuck face, so that is not a full test, and a full test is hard to devise
[07:23:42] <cradek> (it also looks like the indicator is too high on the bar, but it's hard to tell at what angle it's mounted from the one photo)
[07:23:57] <RyanS_> It would be best just to indicate the body of the chuck if you want to know the actual run out of its mounting?
[07:25:27] <cradek> if you assume its center and outsides are concentric, and your spindle has no runout, maybe that test would be valid
[07:25:43] <RyanS_> If that's the case I appear to have 0.03mm runout of the chuck itself
[07:25:54] <cradek> it's hard to test just one thing without a lot of methodical thought
[07:27:11] <RyanS_> Spindle flange has Zero movement of the dial test indicator, I was surprised it was that good for a cheapo lathe
[07:28:07] <cradek> bbl
[07:33:16] <skunkworks_> I have not had a 3 jaw chuck tha thas centered the stock perfectly...
[07:33:38] <skunkworks_> (I also have never had an expensive 3 jaw chuck) ;)
[07:33:59] <jdh> that's a lot of moving parts to keep the same
[07:43:45] <skunkworks_> I bet you could lightly tap the stock in the chuck to change the results.
[08:01:38] <archivist> soft jaws and turn them for the job if you want concentric work in a 3 jaw
[08:02:48] <archivist> you do however need to learn the art of chucking some rubbish to hold the jaws in the right place for that turning
[08:56:57] <KimK> RyanS_: Don't forget you have options for dealing with runout:
[08:57:30] <KimK> RyanS_: The three-jaw scroll chuck works great for making new stuff from scratch, you just clamp your stock, make all available cuts, and as the last cut, part it off, and everything is perfectly centered. But there are many other situations where the three-jaw doesn't work well. (I'm including six-jaw scroll chucks here too.)
[08:57:47] <KimK> RyanS_: For working with "small" parts (at least relative to the size of the three-jaw chuck you might have used), collets help a lot to minimize runout problems. There are collets available for round, square, and hex bar stock, and I suppose nothing stops you from making a collet for odd-shaped stock/parts as well. (Teardrops? Kidney-beans?)
[08:58:05] <KimK> RyanS_: For rework/repair the four-jaw independent is king, and that's why it doesn't go away after all these years. It's much easier to get something centered after it's been welded or built up or some such, and needs to be turned again, long after it was manufactured.
[08:58:17] <KimK> RyanS_: Good luck, hope this helps.
[09:08:30] <PetefromTn> Mornin' folks
[10:18:04] <Aero-Tec3> abetusk, light ripples will not be a problem, but why use a sponge?
[10:20:28] <Aero-Tec3> I used photo resist that I applied to the board by spinning and then later used a airbrush to paint on as spinning would leave the center thicker then the edge, but it did work
[10:21:15] <Aero-Tec3> the solder mask, whats the deal with that?
[10:21:50] <Aero-Tec3> if you applying it using a sponge your not using it the way it was meant to be used
[10:22:05] <Aero-Tec3> why not silk screen it on
[10:23:58] <Aero-Tec3> I used to silk screen the hole board, after I started silk screening I used that instead of the photo resist, unless there was fine detail when I still used the resist
[10:25:22] <Aero-Tec3> silk screen the traces, then the solder mask and text and what ever like logos.
[10:26:26] <Aero-Tec3> not sure what your trying to do by applying solder mask using a sponge, what and why are you doing that?
[10:28:20] <CaptHindsight> just guessing, but one possibility might be spin coating the entire board, then using a mask to only expose the areas to be free of solder then removing the uncured UV liquid mask
[10:29:10] <Aero-Tec3> then thick and rippled could be a problem
[10:30:05] <CaptHindsight> I haven't really been following what he was trying to do
[10:30:49] <CaptHindsight> I just notice lots of confusion when it comes to photopolymers and how to cure them properly
[10:31:47] <CaptHindsight> plus the UV inkjet and SLA makers try to make it confusing
[10:31:50] <Aero-Tec3> I would do double sided boards as well, using both the photo and silk screening method
[10:35:02] <Aero-Tec3> yea they make it sound like you need their lamps and their what ever and that the competition products suck and are not as high tech as theirs are
[10:37:28] <Aero-Tec3> then they talk in a way that is designed to confuse and baffle you so you think they are the answer to your needs as you have no idea what they are on about but it sounds real good and technical
[10:39:05] <Aero-Tec3> most sales guys can talk real good but have no idea what they are really saying or talking about
[10:41:03] <Aero-Tec3> a few well placed and targeted question soon gets you to the guy that knows the inner workings and is not out the baffle gab you. love talking to them
[10:51:46] <Aero-Tec3> BTW has anyone else downloaded and tried out HSMAdvisor?
[10:52:00] <Aero-Tec3> looks to be a great program
[10:52:36] <Aero-Tec3> I have found it extremely useful so far
[10:53:37] <Aero-Tec3> I do not have a load meter on lathe or mill yet so we not sure how much power I was using for the cut
[10:53:59] <Aero-Tec3> this program will tell you along with a ton of other info
[10:54:25] <Aero-Tec3> cool toy, fun and useful
[10:54:49] <Aero-Tec3> also works for lathes
[10:56:31] <JT-Shop> worse than a dongle it uses the computer id key
[10:56:55] <jdh> when I have dongles, I hate them worse than computer ID keys
[10:57:03] <jdh> and when I have computer ID keys, I hate them worse.
[10:57:52] <Aero-Tec3> $75, not bad, full use free 30 day trial
[10:57:56] <jdh> I have two license of GE PLC software. One is an ID, one is a dongle. They both annoy the hell out of me.
[10:58:12] <Aero-Tec3> lol
[11:00:04] <CaptHindsight> some people get so annoyed by either that they RE the application and bypass the key checking
[11:00:26] <Aero-Tec3> I buy or download through private torrent downloads a hacked version of the software I own if I can
[11:00:57] <Aero-Tec3> I hate not being able to use what I buy
[11:01:58] <CaptHindsight> funny how they are getting everyone used to not owning what they buy
[11:01:59] <Aero-Tec3> the dongle is better, can use while net is down, and the company can not take away what you have bought
[11:03:13] <Aero-Tec3> funny??? I find it down right annoying, thus the reason for the pirate versions I download
[11:03:39] <Aero-Tec3> makes me feel like I have some control back
[11:04:14] <Aero-Tec3> the terms of use are nothing more then a gun to the head
[11:04:22] <Aero-Tec3> my way or nothing
[11:05:38] <Aero-Tec3> if you have to use their stuff and have no other choices or all the other guys are using the exact same your renting not buying idea your screwed
[11:05:52] <jdh> they are their terms. You do not have to buy it.
[11:07:48] <Aero-Tec3> for thousands and some times 10s of thousands of after tax $$$$$$$$$, hell I better own something more then the right to kiss their ass
[11:08:43] <Aero-Tec3> greed, plain and simple
[11:09:20] <cradek> eh that's just capitalism
[11:09:39] <cradek> so use Free software
[11:09:55] <Aero-Tec3> I would argue about not having to, some time if feel like your at gun point
[11:10:20] <cradek> don't understand what you mean
[11:13:15] <Aero-Tec3> I am all for capitalism, you get what you pay for, to use for the rest of your life, the use of it belongs to you for ever, it may get out dated and old but it is yours to use
[11:13:33] <Aero-Tec3> I agree you have to pay for updates
[11:13:37] <cradek> heh, that's not like the real world at all
[11:14:03] <cpresser> but some vendors dont sell the software. they sell the right to use the software according to their terms
[11:14:07] <Aero-Tec3> it was that way not so long ago
[11:14:15] <cpresser> welcome to capitalism.
[11:14:20] <Aero-Tec3> that is my point
[11:14:21] <cpresser> this is why we need more regulations :D
[11:14:31] <cradek> yes and some people agree to the terms and buy it, then complain about the terms being unfair
[11:14:38] <Aero-Tec3> and charge thousands for nothing
[11:14:46] <cradek> doing that makes little sense to me
[11:14:46] <jdh> don't pay it
[11:14:47] <Aero-Tec3> lol
[11:14:50] <jdh> don't buy it.
[11:15:14] <Aero-Tec3> or buy it and get a hacked version of it
[11:15:28] <Aero-Tec3> I do not use the hacked versions
[11:15:36] <cradek> sure if you don't mind being on the wrong side of the law
[11:15:43] <mozmck> greed is not limited to capitalism
[11:15:48] <Aero-Tec3> but I like that I have it if all hell breaks out
[11:16:20] <Aero-Tec3> mozmck, your 100% right
[11:17:41] <Aero-Tec3> all forms of government and anyone with power will usually be or get greedy
[11:17:51] <mozmck> it's often greed that causes people to demand free stuff :) (socialism etc)
[11:18:08] <Aero-Tec3> there are the exceptions
[11:18:52] <mozmck> lot's of poor people greedy as well, don't want to work but want people (through government) to give them everything anyhow.
[11:19:53] <Aero-Tec3> socialism, that is also a greed based system, the basic idea is not, but it can never be implemented with out some greedy ass getting into power
[11:20:13] <Aero-Tec3> it is called buying the vote
[11:21:06] <renihs> mozmck, kinda unlikely, in every species, especially mammals, members always feel the *need* to contribute, i have yet to meet (poor) people who dont *want* to work
[11:21:11] <Aero-Tec3> the true weakness of a democratic system
[11:21:19] <renihs> rich people on the other hand ....
[11:21:31] <mozmck> I like free stuff (especially software :) ), and I also like getting to keep what I work make/buy/work for.
[11:22:41] <mozmck> renihs: you haven't met many poor people I take it - at least in the US. (note that I didn't say all poor people either - shoot - I've been poorer than many)
[11:23:14] <Aero-Tec3> I am all for the rich guy, and poor guys getting rich, as long as they play be fair rules and play nice
[11:23:22] <renihs> well, i havent met alot people from the US so far, but i doubt that people differ around the world, cultures/societies may differ but in the end its all software based on the same hardware :p
[11:23:43] <renihs> Aero-Tec3, the system will always prevent that, per nature
[11:23:49] <gonzo_> poor is always a relativer term
[11:24:02] <mozmck> I've offered work to people with signs saying will work for food - what a joke!
[11:24:04] <cradek> heh you doubt people differ around the world :-)
[11:24:07] <renihs> poor people are required to scare the shit out of the middle class and keep em working, while the rich people can keep getting richer without contributing :)
[11:24:29] <renihs> cradek, i doubt that mammals (psychiologicaly) differ alot on those fundamentals
[11:24:42] <renihs> languages, ethics, cultures, alot differences no doubt
[11:25:01] <jdh> I like working
[11:25:29] <jdh> sometimes it is hard to find things that are fullfilling to work at though.
[11:25:35] <mozmck> "I only do roofing", "oh, I have some roof work I need done" - "I only roof in the winter" :)
[11:26:30] <Aero-Tec3> begging for money can be a very good paying job
[11:26:34] <Aero-Tec3> no tax
[11:26:56] <Aero-Tec3> and some get a very good income
[11:27:12] <renihs> sure, if your psycholigcal state is already that far degenerated, and the only ones who get good income from that is organised crime
[11:27:27] <renihs> who employ beggars and take 90% of them afterwards
[11:27:31] <Aero-Tec3> some of the homeless go home to better homes then most
[11:27:43] <renihs> i think you misunderstand the term homeless
[11:29:16] <Aero-Tec3> I was talking about the ones with signs saying there are homeless and need money, they dress the part and play the part very well
[11:30:15] <Aero-Tec3> there are some truly homeless
[11:31:31] <Aero-Tec3> the guys that said crime does not pay did not know what he was talking about
[11:34:53] <Aero-Tec3> the guys in government are the biggest crooks, and when caught they get off scott free, sometimes even with bonuses
[11:39:32] * jthornton goes to take a nap while the problems of the world are solved...
[11:46:57] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[11:47:53] <Aero-Tec3> cradek, now days with a good supply of other companies offering the same or extremely close to the same thing as well as open source options it is not so bad, but being a old fart, there was times when all you had was one company like Autocad or word perfect as some examples of one and only one guy doing what they did
[11:48:42] <Aero-Tec3> you had to agree to the terms or else you were out of biz
[11:48:57] <Aero-Tec3> felt like gun to head
[11:49:19] <jdh> you could take up macadamia nut farming
[11:49:36] <jdh> if there is a gun to your head in this example, you gave it to them.
[11:50:54] <jdh> this HSMadvisor gives me deeper/faster/etc cuts than I would attempt.
[11:51:16] <Aero-Tec3> how, would need money for land, seed and the endless amounts of hand that want to be paid so as not to stop you or shut you down
[11:51:59] <jdh> damn, you are greedy.
[11:52:42] <jdh> whip out your obama-phone and call up someone and complain!
[11:53:05] <IchGuckLive> the bulls are running !
http://www.rtve.es/noticias/san-fermin/
[11:53:27] <Aero-Tec3> I live in canada, no O phones here
[11:53:48] <Aero-Tec3> or any there O payouts
[11:54:08] <Aero-Tec3> he sure took buying the vote to a whole other new level
[11:54:54] <cradek> I want me one of those phones, and one of those payouts!
[11:55:06] <Aero-Tec3> back in the day most of what he is doing would be illegal and he would have been out
[11:55:43] <jdh> I liked my phone better, until I dropped it yesterday.
[11:55:48] <Aero-Tec3> what he is doing makes water gate look like steeling a suck from a kid
[11:55:57] <Aero-Tec3> sucker
[11:57:22] <ssi> onoes
[11:57:35] <ssi> irssi indicates someone was looking for me in here, but my scrollback doesn't go back far enough to find it :/
[11:57:52] <Aero-Tec3> anyway, back to work, got to pay the greedy banks and governments and suppliers and ......... will it never end.....
[11:57:53] <Aero-Tec3> lol
[11:58:22] <CaptHindsight> ssi: I might have posted some links to VMC's that you didn't see
[11:58:32] <ssi> perhaps! :D
[11:58:38] <CaptHindsight> 2-3 days back
[11:58:39] <ssi> I've been afk almost a week
[11:58:47] <ssi> down at the airport making progress
[11:59:02] <ssi> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1002452_10100172352107502_451434214_n.jpg
[11:59:06] <ssi> BAM
[11:59:07] <CaptHindsight> there was a nice one in FL
[11:59:12] <ssi> got it on the gear and wings on
[11:59:36] <Aero-Tec3> <PetefromTn> ssi: Dunno you gonna have flood coolant?
[11:59:37] <CaptHindsight> that looks almost big enough to fly in :)
[11:59:44] <ssi> almost :)
[12:00:11] <jdh> what's the max payload for that?
[12:00:24] <ssi> eh, it's kinda whatever I want it to be
[12:00:34] <ssi> empty weight ought to end up around 1100lb
[12:00:42] <ssi> the recommended gross is 1800, but I can set that arbitrarily
[12:01:04] <ssi> I'm doing 200hp, so I'll probably set it at whatever me plus a 250lb passenger plus full fuel and 120lb baggage works out to
[12:01:35] <ssi> 2100lb sounds pretty good :)
[12:01:43] <ssi> so call it 1000lb useful load, or 750lb payload
[12:02:03] <mozmck> ssi: neat! I have an airplane project in my shop not being worked on :)
[12:02:18] <ssi> yea? what is it?
[12:02:38] <Aero-Tec3> ssi, kit or plans?
[12:02:41] <ssi> kit
[12:02:52] <mozmck> I have a frame and some parts from an old funk, and I plan on building something similar to the funk with it.
[12:03:01] <ssi> I started plans-building a pitts S1SS, but I shelved it til the RV is done
[12:03:11] <mozmck> wood wings, fabric
[12:03:15] <ssi> nice
[12:03:31] <mozmck> corvair engine.
[12:04:06] <Aero-Tec3> can one get new corvair engines?
[12:04:20] <Aero-Tec3> hard to find old junkers any more
[12:04:35] <mozmck> no, but lots of old ones! I got 2 for ~$200
[12:04:39] <CaptHindsight> are the safer in the air? :)
[12:04:50] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOqo-DqCAAAuRbW.jpg:large
[12:04:56] <ssi> test fit my exhaust yesterday
[12:05:07] <ssi> it's an IO-360-C1C, angle valve 200hp
[12:05:18] <ssi> I had to convert it to forward-facing induction
[12:05:32] <ssi> http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558066_10100127496328842_1113867239_n.jpg
[12:05:42] <mozmck> flycorvair.com
[12:05:43] <ssi> thusly:
[12:05:43] <ssi> http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p206x206/582529_870138104812_976308074_n.jpg
[12:05:51] <ssi> it's nice being a homebuilder with a machine shop
[12:05:59] <ssi> gives me a lot of flexibility the other guys don't have :)
[12:06:35] <mozmck> I'm sure! I have a metal lathe, mill, and etc, so I figure that will help me a good bit as well.
[12:06:40] <ssi> yea
[12:06:45] <mozmck> Also complete woodworking shop already.
[12:06:51] <ssi> I actually got into this machining nonsense because I wanted to cut my own panel
[12:06:58] <ssi> so I designed and scratchbuilt a CNC plasma table
[12:07:05] <ssi> that was 2008 I think
[12:07:13] <ssi> turns out that plasma sucks for aluminum
[12:07:32] <CaptHindsight> even worse for magnesium
[12:07:35] <mozmck> neat. I work for CandCNC.com and we make a lot of torch height controllers.
[12:07:43] <ssi> I have one
[12:07:46] <ssi> LCTHC
[12:08:09] <IchGuckLive> i got 3 of the eagleplasma thc
[12:08:17] <mozmck> Ah, ok!
[12:08:20] <IchGuckLive> out of polen
[12:09:46] <ssi> so I ended up getting a carbon fiber panel that someone made
[12:09:48] <ssi> and I cut it on the mill
[12:09:58] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOqqIEJCIAEGkdg.jpg:large
[12:10:19] <IchGuckLive> hi Heinz_60
[12:10:21] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOqqQCOCAAAvQAg.jpg:large
[12:10:28] <mozmck> interesting - I was thinking of using wood, but carbon fiber may be better.
[12:10:37] <ssi> I'm pretty pleased with it
[12:10:38] <Heinz_60> Hi @ll
[12:10:49] <ssi> another friend of mine made one for his hiperbipe, and it came out great
[12:10:52] <ssi> it's not glossed like this one though
[12:10:53] <IchGuckLive> and cw ccw is ok#
[12:11:35] <IchGuckLive> ssi: thickness ?
[12:12:31] <ssi> 3/32" or so
[12:12:35] <Heinz_60> Whats that? A boat?
[12:12:38] <ssi> 2.5mm?
[12:12:39] <ssi> ish?
[12:12:46] <ssi> Heinz_60: airplane
[12:12:55] <Heinz_60> Oh nice
[12:13:30] <ssi> this is the state of it as of this weekend:
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1002452_10100172352107502_451434214_n.jpg
[12:13:44] <ssi> I have the canopy done too, but it's pulled off for access
[12:15:27] <IchGuckLive> ssi: as you finesed it the NSA will tread you as a terror suspect worldwide
[12:15:36] <ssi> I'm ok with that
[12:18:57] <IchGuckLive> ssi: as you simply cand do anything against it you have to
[12:33:22] <ssi> this is true
[12:35:57] <PetefromTn> Someone call my name? I went to subs N such to meet my wifey for lunch. had a Delicious French dip with au jus...Anyways I am here now LOL
[12:37:32] <IchGuckLive> the peteguy
[12:39:15] <PetefromTn> IchGuckLive: The one and Only...
[12:40:22] <ssi> wooooo pete
[12:40:32] <PetefromTn> Hey man wazzup?
[12:40:48] <ssi> nm
[12:40:58] <PetefromTn> Sitting here drawing that Kitchen I am about to build. It's kinda kicking my ass..
[12:41:04] <ssi> onoes
[12:41:07] <ssi> you cut my shits yet?!
[12:41:07] <ssi> D:
[12:41:20] <PetefromTn> Cut your shits?
[12:41:24] <ssi> yes!
[12:41:32] <PetefromTn> erm .....NO.
[12:41:34] <ssi> dem pully shits
[12:41:35] <ssi> :)
[12:41:39] <PetefromTn> LOL
[12:41:50] <PetefromTn> Still need some input from ye..
[12:42:00] <ssi> yea? what you need
[12:42:20] <PetefromTn> Needed to know what the top is gonna look like basically. We know the bottom dims.
[12:42:29] <ssi> yeah that's the part I don't really know
[12:42:36] <ssi> and since I can't see the plans, I don't know how to answer that! heh
[12:42:37] <PetefromTn> I know...
[12:42:40] <ssi> I did get bearings though
[12:42:46] <PetefromTn> You da man...
[12:42:59] <PetefromTn> Get some bearings for my Cincinatti Arrow 500 while yer at it...
[12:43:09] <ssi> are they $13 apiece like these were?!
[12:43:17] <PetefromTn> Yeah I wish..
[12:43:22] <ssi> heheh
[12:43:32] <PetefromTn> More like $750.00.
[12:43:36] <ssi> cripes
[12:43:42] <PetefromTn> Yes precisely..
[12:43:58] <PetefromTn> Is that you in front of that plane carcass?
[12:44:05] <ssi> no, that's my neighbor
[12:44:10] <PetefromTn> Oh..
[12:44:40] <PetefromTn> Its lookin' SCHWEET!
[12:44:48] <ssi> it's getting there!
[12:44:48] <PetefromTn> Is the engine mount something you tig'd up or did you buy that?
[12:45:19] <ssi> comes in the finish kit
[12:45:25] <PetefromTn> nice...
[12:45:33] <PetefromTn> Is it aluminniummmumm
[12:45:45] <PetefromTn> or stainless?
[12:45:47] <ssi> the engine mount? no, it's 4130
[12:46:00] <ssi> and the gear legs are 4340 I think
[12:46:05] <ssi> solid spring steel :P
[12:46:17] <PetefromTn> does the gear legs weld on to it or what?
[12:46:30] <ssi> close tolerance fit, with a single bolt through at the top
[12:46:30] <PetefromTn> Oh they're solid...interesting.
[12:47:08] <PetefromTn> How does the rear wheel steer you?
[12:47:22] <ssi> it's attached to the rudder
[12:47:23] <PetefromTn> Is it just a swivel and the plane
[12:47:34] <PetefromTn> Cool..
[12:47:38] <ssi> well, it will be attached to the rudder... right now it's not
[12:47:47] <PetefromTn> Gonna need that methinks...
[12:48:09] <ssi> it's nice to have, but not necessary
[12:48:13] <ssi> you can steel with differential brakes
[12:48:22] <ssi> steer even
[12:48:24] <PetefromTn> It almost seems like you could just have a swivel and use the planes surfaces to steer...
[12:48:37] <ssi> you have to be going pretty fast before the rudder is effective for steering
[12:48:43] <ssi> but you can use brakes
[12:48:55] <PetefromTn> Hmm I would think the wind from the prop would be enough..
[12:48:57] <ssi> nope
[12:49:12] <PetefromTn> What kinda brakes are on the plane, small disks in front?
[12:49:19] <ssi> yea, matco brakes
[12:49:21] <PetefromTn> or all around>
[12:49:25] <ssi> just on the mains
[12:49:37] <ssi> no good way to put a brake on a 5" solid rubber tailwheel :{
[12:49:41] <ssi> and no real reason to
[12:49:42] <jdh> if you hit them hard, do you flip over?
[12:49:42] <PetefromTn> Seems like it would be easy to flip it onto its nose..
[12:49:46] <ssi> oh yeah
[12:49:50] <ssi> you'll go over on the nose
[12:49:57] <ssi> and if the prop touches the ground, it's an expensive lesson
[12:50:11] <PetefromTn> scary as shit too Id imagine..
[12:50:19] <ssi> scary to the wallet ;)
[12:50:47] <ssi> the nose-wheel rvs have a problem of flipping over
[12:51:02] <ssi> because the nose gear is the same spring steel... and if you hit a pothole, it loads up like a spring and flips the airplane
[12:51:26] <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfaCGc16jQ0
[12:51:27] <Tecan> (NfaCGc16jQ0) "RV7A flip at Croft Farm fly-in" by "dermick" is "Autos" - Length: 0:00:07
[12:51:33] <PetefromTn> A fellow in KY just finished putting a naturally aspirated LSx motor into a fiero in his backyard and it made 382HP to the wheels.... I WANT a ride in that monster..
[12:51:53] <PetefromTn> That does not sound like too much fun to me...
[12:51:57] <ssi> yea I'm sure that's insane
[12:52:21] <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULOdhTJ3uBg
[12:52:22] <Tecan> (ULOdhTJ3uBg) "Plane Crash Vans RV7A" by "seanmorris10" is "Autos" - Length: 0:00:44
[12:52:26] <ssi> cool, they got it put back together
[12:52:54] <PetefromTn> There's several Fiero's runnin' around with 3800 buick turbos with in the neighborhood of 600 HP to the wheels.. INSANE!!
[12:53:15] <PetefromTn> I need something INSANE to play with in the shop.
[12:53:33] <PetefromTn> I feel like a boring old fart here man...
[12:54:20] <jdh> me too
[12:54:33] <PetefromTn> jdh: Hey man I can sympathize..
[12:54:37] <archivist> wot no sanity clause
[12:55:02] <PetefromTn> clause? what clause? You mean the jolly old fat man?
[12:56:11] <archivist> Marx Bros Duck Soup
[12:56:34] <PetefromTn> I used to ride sportybikes for years, my wife and I have been on my old FZR1000 over 150 MPH together LOL She's been talking about getting another bike but with the idiots around here the way they drive I cannot imagine lasting too long.
[12:56:36] <ssi> PetefromTn: did you see this?
[12:56:37] <ssi> PetefromTn:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BORDEA5CMAQTKFp.jpg
[12:56:45] <ssi> PetefromTn:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BORDCGqCcAAgt0M.jpg:large
[12:57:01] <PetefromTn> ssi: What the hell am I looking at?
[12:57:06] <ssi> our record
[12:57:11] <ssi> pallet o' vinyl showed up wednesday
[12:57:46] <PetefromTn> RECORD? what the hell is a record?
[12:58:12] <PetefromTn> You play in a band?
[12:58:15] <ssi> yea a couple :P
[12:58:21] <ssi> I thought we've been over this, lul
[12:58:25] <PetefromTn> LOL what do you play..
[12:58:27] <ssi> bass
[12:58:36] <PetefromTn> Oh man thats cool.
[12:58:44] <PetefromTn> You're my new hero man...
[12:58:47] <ssi> hmahah
[12:59:10] <ssi> it's amazing what a motivated fat kid can accomplish in his life ;)
[12:59:17] <PetefromTn> I had a good freind in florida who played bass in a band.....He was pretty good. They were called the whiskey dogs..
[12:59:42] <PetefromTn> he was mostly stoned when he was playing but he always looked totally happy and at peace LOL
[12:59:59] <ssi> http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/936847_506283546104158_2130542773_n.jpg
[13:00:18] <archivist> warning band members end up on a site like
http://mydadwasinaband.com/
[13:00:40] <ssi> lol
[13:00:41] <jdh> aren't bass players always stoned
[13:00:50] <PetefromTn> Typically yea
[13:01:08] <PetefromTn> Looks like the new RUSH.....NOT!!
[13:01:23] <PetefromTn> are ye any good?
[13:01:29] <ssi> meh
[13:01:30] <ssi> hehe
[13:01:45] <ssi> haha here
[13:01:45] <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7KMvi4ZOVw
[13:01:46] <Tecan> (b7KMvi4ZOVw) "tom sawyer" by "imcmahon" is "Music" - Length: 0:04:18
[13:01:47] <ssi> rush on an acoustic
[13:01:49] <ssi> super fun
[13:02:09] <PetefromTn> I played sax for years....Played for the Coast Guard Band for awhile while I was in there. Special Ceremonial Detail.
[13:02:56] <ssi> cool
[13:03:03] <ssi> sax is too complex for me :)
[13:03:36] <PetefromTn> Sounds like its all there....a little muddy tho. Nice work dude!!
[13:03:47] <ssi> not bad for an iphone video hahah
[13:03:49] <PetefromTn> Love RUSH...
[13:04:01] <PetefromTn> Saw them several times over the years..
[13:04:24] <PetefromTn> Neal Peart is a GOD!!
[13:04:32] <ssi> yea
[13:04:38] <ssi> our drummer isn't talented enough for this
[13:04:39] <ssi> but it was fun
[13:05:02] <PetefromTn> Tell him to hit some YYZ..
[13:06:22] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKBLSkN2sRk
[13:06:24] <Tecan> (jKBLSkN2sRk) "YYZ" by "jimbabwe92" is "Music" - Length: 0:06:57
[13:09:15] <PetefromTn> Watching that with my Computer and my Studio monitors....Alex can melt your face off with that guitar!! LOL
[13:10:26] <ssi> yea heh
[13:13:29] <PetefromTn> I'll get to your pulleys here soon man don't worry I have not found anything I can use them for so far LOL
[13:13:34] <ssi> hahaha
[13:13:52] <ssi> if I get the cherokee flying this week, I might come crack the whip here soon! hahahah
[13:14:16] <ssi> that reminds me, I need to call my IA about coming to sign off the annual tomorrow or wednesday night
[13:14:39] <PetefromTn> Need Connor to come over here soon. I got some things I need him to do to my machine and he needs some more stuff machined for his retrofit. Plus he says he can get the stuff out of my old laptop hard drive.
[13:14:50] <PetefromTn> Yeah yeah I hear ya. I'll believe that when I see it.
[13:15:11] <PetefromTn> Can ya fit that go kart in back?
[13:16:33] <ssi> I wish
[13:16:48] <PetefromTn> Can't believe I have not found any work for the VMC now that it is runnin. RFQ's are dead and I have not had any responses from my online ads..
[13:17:00] <PetefromTn> Suckin'
[13:17:25] <PetefromTn> Oh well this kitchen should take me about a month or so to build once I get materials here.
[13:17:32] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: you know the wrong persons
[13:17:40] <IchGuckLive> or got the wrog tools
[13:17:46] <PetefromTn> IchGuckLive: Ain't that the truth..
[13:17:54] <PetefromTn> Or all I know is TOOLS...LOL
[13:18:05] <ssi> the business side of it is hard
[13:18:11] <ssi> I did some jobs on my HNC,
[13:18:14] <PetefromTn> Yup sure as hell is..
[13:18:16] <ssi> but people have unrealistic expectations
[13:18:26] <PetefromTn> sure do...
[13:18:35] <ssi> I make these motor mounts for this guy, and he wanted me to quote him to make subframe bushings
[13:18:35] <IchGuckLive> as iput outaside the sop the T-rex plasma in 2.5m the preople are floting inside
[13:18:43] <ssi> they're like 3" diameter, but they have a 3.625" lip on them
[13:18:46] <ssi> sort of top hat shaped
[13:18:46] <PetefromTn> I can't believe some of the quotes people give for work sometimes..
[13:18:57] <ssi> and a) I'd need to buy tooling to fixture parts that big in my chucker
[13:19:03] <ssi> b) 4" aluminum roundbar is EXPENSIVE
[13:19:17] <ssi> he found a place in mexico that can make them out of drop they have for less than I can even buy the metal
[13:19:20] <ssi> what can you do
[13:19:47] <IchGuckLive> im off By
[13:19:57] <PetefromTn> Well you can't cut your throat thats for sure...
[13:20:02] <ssi> right
[13:20:06] <ssi> plus now my lathe is busted
[13:20:14] <PetefromTn> not figuratively or literally LOL
[13:20:14] <PetefromTn> Cya Ich..
[13:20:24] <PetefromTn> Oh crap...
[13:20:45] <ssi> well it's been busted for eight months
[13:20:50] <PetefromTn> What's wrong with it now?
[13:20:55] <ssi> the pneumatics
[13:21:06] <PetefromTn> Pneumatics are simple usually.
[13:21:08] <`Nerobro> that's a breaze to fix.
[13:21:09] <ssi> yea
[13:21:11] * `Nerobro grins
[13:21:24] <PetefromTn> how ya do that blue writing?
[13:21:25] <ssi> anyone that wants to come help me with it, I'll buy the beer :P
[13:21:32] <ssi> /me
[13:21:38] <`Nerobro> PetefromTn, /me <text>
[13:21:39] <PetefromTn> Sorry don't drink.LOL
[13:21:45] <ssi> what do you consume?
[13:21:46] <ssi> pizza?
[13:21:50] <ssi> wings?
[13:21:51] <ssi> you name it
[13:21:53] <PetefromTn> hells yeah..
[13:22:03] <ssi> I don't really drink either
[13:22:04] <PetefromTn> maybe some steaks too.
[13:22:07] <ssi> but beer typically motivates ;)
[13:22:09] <ssi> ok there ya go
[13:22:18] <ssi> I'll go to whole foods and get some dry aged prime
[13:22:21] <PetefromTn> for some it does but I don't like the taste of it.
[13:22:27] <PetefromTn> LOL
[13:22:35] <ssi> and/or I could smoke a couple pork butts
[13:22:39] <ssi> I make a mean bbq
[13:22:58] <PetefromTn> I told you about that pig roaster I built for the customer right..
[13:23:02] <ssi> nah
[13:23:11] <PetefromTn> really?
[13:23:14] <ssi> don't think so
[13:24:36] <PetefromTn> I recently finished building a LARGE permanent fullsize pig roaster for a customer in the shop. It was like a HUGE gas grill lid with prop rod and vents and handles and it had two doors in front. I also built a large grate surface that had big handles to lift the pig out with.
[13:25:10] <PetefromTn> He invited us to the first roasting and we went about three weeks ago. It was awesome, he also cooked about six fullsize chickens and a ton of corn on the cob.
[13:25:19] <PetefromTn> Fed over 58 people'
[13:25:35] <PetefromTn> The event was a club meeting for the Knox area Home brewers
[13:25:41] <ssi> very cool
[13:25:50] <ssi> I just have a little weber smoky mountain
[13:25:54] <PetefromTn> This is the same guy I made a stainless steel home brewing stand for awhile back.
[13:25:55] <ssi> but I have an electronic controller on it
[13:25:56] <ssi> it's awesome
[13:25:56] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/263762 soapy floor + a little push and it's home
[13:26:15] <ssi> CaptHindsight: awesome
[13:26:29] <ssi> how'd you move it?
[13:26:36] <PetefromTn> CaptHindsight: Looks happy there and....DAYUM that is a nice shop building.
[13:26:39] <ssi> is that one of the ones from ebay you were looking at last week?
[13:26:48] <PetefromTn> yup sure is..
[13:26:54] <CaptHindsight> yeah, they delivered for $200
[13:26:56] <PetefromTn> Kickass machine...
[13:27:24] <PetefromTn> an older matsu is one of the machines I was interested in when I was looking for my first VMC.
[13:27:33] <PetefromTn> HEAVY IRON>
[13:27:57] <PetefromTn> `Nerobro: Thanks for the tip man
[13:28:03] <CaptHindsight> crane from trailer to door, skates and a little pushing to the final spot
[13:28:39] <PetefromTn> Those machine skates are sweet huh. I rented a set to move this monster.
[13:29:06] <CaptHindsight> ssi: it run Mach currently, I got this to do a side by side comparison of Linuxcnc.
[13:29:15] <ssi> ah that's the one that was a half-ass conversion
[13:29:17] <PetefromTn> There is a compariosn?
[13:29:20] <ssi> I considered that one too heh
[13:29:41] <ssi> I look forward to seeing how you do with it
[13:29:42] <CaptHindsight> the guy actually works for an automation co
[13:29:49] <ssi> and he used mach?
[13:29:53] <ssi> must be a half-ass automation co ;)
[13:30:41] <PetefromTn> I just put my house up for sale here. Had a couple people call about it but so far no bites. If I sell it here soon I MIGHT sell my Cincinatti possibly so I don't have to move it again and just buy another machine down there in Florida...
[13:30:50] <PetefromTn> ssi: LOL
[13:31:11] <ssi> I might buy it from you if I can figure out how to move it ;)
[13:31:26] <CaptHindsight> the floors are coated and sealed with sodium silicate, so it's actually almost smooth as glass and low friction
[13:31:27] <ssi> whereabouts in florida are you going?
[13:31:30] <PetefromTn> Don't need to figure it out already moved it LOL
[13:31:52] <PetefromTn> HOPEFULLY Port St. Lucie where we used to live...
[13:32:00] <PetefromTn> Got friends and Family down there.
[13:32:17] <ssi> i have family near there
[13:32:18] <ssi> jensen beach
[13:32:41] <PetefromTn> LOVE Jensen beach... Used to eat at the Jensen Ale house all the time and go to the car shows in Stuart.
[13:33:07] <PetefromTn> We used to take our jetski to the Jensen causeway all the time too.
[13:33:57] <PetefromTn> tell you what LOL Buy my house and I will GIVE you my machine....can't wait to move there LOL.
[13:34:06] <ssi> heh
[13:34:13] <ssi> I'm trying to figure out how to buy some land out near augusta
[13:34:28] <ssi> there's a property for sale, 32 acres, 2500x200 grass strip, and a 140x140 concrete pad
[13:34:31] <ssi> for $70xk
[13:34:34] <ssi> and I want it real bad
[13:34:52] <PetefromTn> Nice... a strip and a spot for your future home no less.
[13:34:56] <ssi> yep
[13:35:03] <ssi> only problem is, it's 110mi from work
[13:35:04] <Aero-Tec3> jdh, you wrote <jdh> this HSMadvisor gives me deeper/faster/etc cuts than I would attempt.
[13:35:06] <PetefromTn> get er done son...
[13:35:12] <ssi> and the pad is for the hangar, not the house :)
[13:35:26] <ssi> 20k sqft would be a hell of a house
[13:35:26] <ssi> heheh
[13:35:27] <PetefromTn> but of course..
[13:35:28] <Aero-Tec3> have you ever used their settings and if so how well did it work out?
[13:35:49] <ssi> although these days i'd just build a hangar and put an upstairs apartment in it
[13:35:52] <ssi> that's the way to go
[13:36:14] <Aero-Tec3> ssi, I agree
[13:36:16] <PetefromTn> Thats what these houses are like in the local aero club over ehre.
[13:36:21] <PetefromTn> here.
[13:36:35] <frallzor> ahoyhoy
[13:36:38] <PetefromTn> Aero-Tec3: What are you talking about settings?
[13:36:50] <PetefromTn> Hey frallzor Ahoy matey!
[13:36:52] <Aero-Tec3> same with shop, big shop and hanger and small place to hang hat
[13:37:06] <frallzor> http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5844/dllt.jpg todays first try with vacuumfastening
[13:37:19] <PetefromTn> Uh oh my kids want to go swim in the pool now...
[13:37:22] <frallzor> it works a treat even, just need more support in the middle
[13:37:43] <PetefromTn> Looks pretty sweet.
[13:37:46] <ssi> frallzor: cool stuff
[13:37:55] <CaptHindsight> frallzor: what are you holding?
[13:37:59] <Aero-Tec3> HSMAdvisor
[13:38:00] <frallzor> thin wood
[13:38:00] <PetefromTn> I need a vacuum pump to try some stuff like that
[13:38:16] <frallzor> but no support in the middle with sealing = bend
[13:38:33] <frallzor> so a few extra inner and outer tracks would be optimal
[13:38:47] <PetefromTn> You use a ballendmill for the track?
[13:38:55] <frallzor> yup
[13:39:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.vaccon.com/ they make lots of the soft flexible cups
[13:39:05] <PetefromTn> is that nylon?
[13:39:20] <frallzor> HDPE I belive
[13:39:26] <Aero-Tec3> has any one used the settings put out by HSMAdvisor?
[13:39:27] <frallzor> *believe
[13:39:49] <Aero-Tec3> it made me use a higher feed rate that seams to be working out very well
[13:40:04] <Aero-Tec3> have not done the max yet
[13:40:26] <ssi> I think optimal speeds and feeds tend to assume machines more rigid than hobby machines tend to be
[13:40:43] <PetefromTn> ssi: That's not a problem here LOL
[13:40:43] <Aero-Tec3> not sure if my machine could do it, being a cheap ass china knock off
[13:40:58] <ssi> PetefromTn: you know where you can stick it!
[13:41:06] <ssi> (in your flood enclosure)
[13:41:10] <PetefromTn> ssi: ;p
[13:41:28] <Aero-Tec3> ssi, that would be my guess
[13:42:02] <Aero-Tec3> it does have a derate slider
[13:42:09] <PetefromTn> Cannot believe how quickly my machine built that router mount plate and I was using more hobby kind of feeds and speeds just to be safe.
[13:42:14] <Aero-Tec3> for the not so well built units
[13:42:29] <PetefromTn> Aero-Tec3: what machine?
[13:43:02] <Aero-Tec3> very old grizzly lathe and mill
[13:43:20] <PetefromTn> Knee mill or benchtop?
[13:43:21] <Aero-Tec3> I converted them
[13:43:28] <Aero-Tec3> knee
[13:43:31] <ssi> I've got a g0602 and g0704 that I've converted
[13:43:36] <ssi> g0704 isn't done yet
[13:43:49] <PetefromTn> ssi: waitin' on pulleys LOL
[13:44:03] <ssi> that's part of it ;)
[13:44:12] <ssi> I got most of the control wiring done last week before I headed to the airport
[13:44:25] <ssi> but I need to find a little terminal strip and get the 120v wired to the servo power supply
[13:44:30] <jdh> g0602 is bigger than a jet/etc 9x20?
[13:44:31] <ssi> and run 12v and 5v power from the supply to the 7i77
[13:44:36] <Aero-Tec3> but also bought a newer grizz lathe and mill, the new mill is bench top
[13:44:41] <ssi> yea it's 12x22 I think?
[13:44:45] <ssi> 10x22?
[13:44:55] <PetefromTn> LOL even my coolant pump is 220..
[13:45:13] <ssi> g0602 is a pretty decent little machine to convert
[13:45:21] <ssi> PetefromTn: my coolant pump on my hnc is three phase, whats your pont? :P
[13:45:32] <PetefromTn> ssi: Just bustin' chops..
[13:45:36] <ssi> I could wire the g0602 for 220 if I wanted to, but there's no real point
[13:45:41] <ssi> just makes shop wiring more difficult
[13:46:02] <ssi> I guess I could run it to the disconnect the HNC is on
[13:46:12] <ssi> that disconnect is fed by a 50A breaker through 8ga wire :P
[13:46:13] <PetefromTn> I'll bet my coolant pump is more HP than your spindle motor LOL
[13:46:21] <ssi> can't imagine
[13:46:28] <ssi> coolant pump on my hnc is like 1/8hp
[13:46:42] <PetefromTn> LOL
[13:46:44] <ssi> motor I have for the g0704 is 3/4hp 3ph
[13:47:15] <PetefromTn> Well My kids are whining they want to go swimming here and to be honest the pool looks awesome right now....Getting bathing suit on here now.
[13:47:29] <ssi> do it
[13:47:39] <PetefromTn> Doin' it....
[13:47:42] <jdh> I need a new motor (and belt drive) for my g0704
[13:47:46] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, mill looks nice, what make & model?
[13:47:52] <PetefromTn> Talk in a bit. nice chatting with you fellas.
[13:48:03] <ssi> jdh: yea that's what I'm working on now
[13:48:05] <ssi> I have the motor
[13:48:10] <ssi> waiting on slackerpete over ether for pulleys :)
[13:48:20] <PetefromTn> Hey I resemble that remark.
[13:48:29] <PetefromTn> resent..
[13:48:36] <ssi> and I need to build the motor attach plates
[13:48:46] <ssi> haven't decided how to do that yet... but there's a good chance it'll be plasmacut :)
[13:51:18] <frallzor> I love simple solutions, made a simple plastic plate to tape the wood and that you vacuum, and then just replave when done
[13:52:40] <ssi> your tubey deal is labeled "IN" and "UT"
[13:52:43] <ssi> sounds canadian :P
[13:52:48] <ssi> "oot"
[13:53:17] <frallzor> swedish =)
[13:53:20] <frallzor> in and out
[13:53:21] <ssi> aha :D
[13:53:28] <ssi> only swedish I know is "tuttar"
[13:53:33] <frallzor> flow in, flow out =P
[13:53:43] <frallzor> tuttar = horses
[13:53:55] <ssi> SOMEONE LIED TO ME
[13:54:00] <frallzor> jk =P
[13:54:04] <ssi> ;)
[13:54:37] <Jymmmm> ssi: Sorry to tell you... Yes, size DOES matter =)
[13:54:52] <ssi> wait, what are we talking about now?
[13:55:03] <Jymmmm> exactly.
[13:56:02] <frallzor> I love this vacuum ejector
[13:56:07] <frallzor> vacuum at a low price =)
[13:56:27] <ssi> other more different vacuum work:
[13:56:27] <ssi> http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/p206x206/305493_706771203392_467506512_n.jpg
[14:15:35] <archivist> boys toy on fleabay 290939992249
[14:16:03] <Aero-Tec3> well I just did a cut with 5 inch long tube and the chatter is gone
[14:16:10] <Jymmm> It's a lie, there are no boobs!
[14:16:59] <Aero-Tec3> HSMAdvisor gave me the info and courage to go more aggressive with my cut
[14:17:16] <Aero-Tec3> no chatter
[14:23:14] <jdh> cool
[14:23:18] <jdh> maybe I'll try that
[14:23:32] <jdh> no clue what max torque on mine is though.
[14:24:00] <Jymmm> more than MIN TORQUE ?
[14:24:40] <Jymmm> (hopefully)
[14:25:21] <Aero-Tec3> that will change with gearing
[14:26:36] <Aero-Tec3> with the program would auto update it with speed changes
[14:27:19] <Aero-Tec3> should be able to hit close ball park if it knows the value for X RPM
[14:28:00] <Aero-Tec3> but that would not work for vari speed spindles
[14:33:25] <Aero-Tec3> it does have a way to map out RPM and torque, so one can work it out I guess
[14:34:32] <jdh> but, you can't get a torque warning unless you know max torque
[14:35:10] <Aero-Tec3> true
[14:36:30] <Jymmm> HAHA, have you guys seen the Google front page? It's pretty funny.
[14:36:32] <Aero-Tec3> if you took spindle speed and HP and did some calcs and then derated it some you should be getting close
[14:37:22] <Aero-Tec3> that should be good for the geared/pulley guys
[14:38:13] <Aero-Tec3> it is funny
[14:38:31] <Jymmm> I still have no idea what the feather is for though.
[14:38:54] <Aero-Tec3> mill
[14:39:12] <Jymmm> how?
[14:39:24] <Jymmm> I rang the bell
[14:40:08] <Aero-Tec3> your talking chip thinning right?
[14:43:58] <Aero-Tec3> for the vari speed spindle guys if you can get a torque curve chart from the spindle maker you could program that in
[14:46:52] <Aero-Tec3> even has wood for material, wish one could add to the list
[14:55:32] <PetefromTn> Damn that pool felt good...
[14:57:08] <PetefromTn> Water was 72 degrees..
[14:57:52] <PetefromTn> frallzor: So is that a venturi vacuum setup?
[15:04:26] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn:
http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge-gallery.xhtml
[15:04:48] <JT-Shop> and
http://gnipsel.com/shop/unload-308/unload-308.xhtml
[15:08:17] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop: Nice man.. That looks like a nice sized shop too. Mines only 25x25 give or take a foot.
[15:09:25] <PetefromTn> Worried about when we sell this house and buy down in florida if we will be able to find a house with a large enough garage that has highish ceileings...
[15:09:30] <PetefromTn> ceilings.
[15:09:38] * frallzor stares at old man JT-Shop
[15:09:42] <archivist> he just builds another shop if he has a space error
[15:10:08] <JT-Shop> I have to build some ground first LOL
[15:10:13] <PetefromTn> Yeah where do you live
[15:10:45] <PetefromTn> out west it is not so hard to find room down in Florida not so much unless you have money or live in the interior parts of the state////
[15:10:59] <archivist> JT-Shop, I trust you to make up ground too :)
[15:11:58] <JT-Shop> me? I live in swamp east missouri
[15:12:23] <JT-Shop> I have some extra ground behind the shop, I just need to move it to the front or side as the case warrents
[15:14:03] <PetefromTn> I like living in east Tennessee and you can certainly get land here for reasonable prices in a lot of places but I just miss the hell out of the beach and diving, fishing, surfing, boating in the ocean and intercoastal waterways....
[15:17:40] <PetefromTn> frallzor: Hey man did you buy or make that vacuum setup and is it a venturi setup?
[15:17:50] <frallzor> make
[15:18:08] <PetefromTn> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/bar/3921143341.html
[15:18:09] <frallzor> just machined some HDPE I hade laying around and used with an old vacuum ejector
[15:18:30] <PetefromTn> Holy smokes that is a Huge ABOVE GROUND POOL. did not know they made them that big.
[15:18:33] <frallzor> was gonna use MDF, but this is much better
[15:19:35] <PetefromTn> the HDPE is the base or the little vacuum block? I am curious about your vacuum generation device is it a pump or venturi style.
[15:19:38] <PetefromTn> Never heard of a vacuum ejector.
[15:19:43] <frallzor> base
[15:20:09] <frallzor> venturi style
[15:20:15] <frallzor> the ejector that is
[15:20:32] <PetefromTn> just looked it up an ejector IS a venturi it looks like. Thanks man. How much air does that thing eat?
[15:20:54] <frallzor> hmm no idea
[15:21:05] <frallzor> but I could turn the flow pretty low for the piece
[15:21:11] <frallzor> that I played with
[15:21:32] <archivist> they still make them
http://www.edwardsvacuum.com/MarketsServed/ProcessVacuum/HickHargreaves/SteamEjectorVacuumSystems.aspx
[15:21:34] <frallzor> Im bored to hell at the moment, so ill just go make a video of it for fun
[15:21:35] <PetefromTn> I have wanted to build a vacuum plate for the VMC here and be able to hold down engraving work with it.
[15:22:23] <PetefromTn> How much vacuum can you generate with one of those tiny things?
[15:22:35] <PetefromTn> frallzor: That would be cool man thanks. I am curious.
[15:22:48] <frallzor> couldnt even move the piece of wood I attached
[15:23:06] <frallzor> so its good enough for the purpose, engraving coasters =)
[15:23:46] <PetefromTn> We used to use a commercial setup for pulling down vacuum bags for laminating curves and arcs in our pro wood shop and then we bought a pump for the purpose but I remember it worked okay.
[15:24:09] <PetefromTn> We did have a commercial screw compressor for it tho so air consumption was never really a problem.
[15:28:49] * JT-Shop missed the link to frallzor vacuum device
[15:29:55] <frallzor> http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5844/dllt.jpg tadaaa
[15:30:03] <PetefromTn> http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5844/dllt.jpg
[15:30:09] <frallzor> I won
[15:30:09] <PetefromTn> Oops sorry.
[15:32:09] <Connor> what is that? a vacuum grip ?
[15:32:13] <JT-Shop> cool a vacuum generator
[15:32:17] <PetefromTn> Kung fu grip..
[15:32:36] <Aero-Tec3> what CFM is needed for that small unit to work, also how much vacuum can be made with it?
[15:32:55] <frallzor> not much according to me and no idea =)
[15:33:01] <PetefromTn> Already asked
[15:33:02] <JT-Shop> frallzor: does the part fit on top of the rubber tube
[15:33:09] <frallzor> yup
[15:33:22] <PetefromTn> He's making engraved coasters..
[15:33:34] <frallzor> not yet =P but I hope itll work for it!
[15:33:36] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec3: it depends on how tight your seal is, they come in many different models
[15:34:00] <PetefromTn> Horrible freight used to carry one that worked okay apparently
[15:34:08] <JT-Shop> google piab
[15:35:48] <Tom_itx> somebody turn down the furnace
[15:35:52] <Tom_itx> 100° F Partly Cloud
[15:36:48] <PetefromTn> OUCHIE!!
[15:39:12] <PetefromTn> How much do those PIAB vacuum ejectors cost basically?
[15:41:34] <Tom_itx> $25
[15:41:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PIAB-Vacuum-Generator-/281129496919?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41749fb157
[15:43:34] <PetefromTn> Cheap but what is that several outlets and dual inlets?
[15:45:21] <PetefromTn> I need something like that here in the shop. My compressor is not a monster but should be able to keep up with it.
[15:47:51] <PetefromTn> Anyone know anything about canoes?
[15:48:11] <Jymmm> they work best in water.
[15:48:38] <PetefromTn> Smartypants...
[15:49:10] <PetefromTn> Is there a canoe large enough to carry two adults, a 12 year old and a six year old safely?
[15:49:25] <archivist> yes if you make it
[15:49:25] <PetefromTn> Something you could fish from and explore/
[15:49:38] <PetefromTn> Don't want to make anything...
[15:49:46] <PetefromTn> Make enough stuff already.
[15:50:07] <PetefromTn> Maybe I just should get two canoes..
[15:50:45] <Jymmm> tie the 12 and 6 yo together, epoxy anything that floats to theri back....
[15:50:48] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: a canoe? safely? per definition of canoe: NO ;-)
[15:51:15] <Loetmichel> try a hawaiian outrigger ;-)
[15:51:31] <PetefromTn> Hell I spent YEARS on a canoe down in flordia when I was a kid.. Never had a problem.
[15:51:36] <frallzor> now lets see!
[15:51:45] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: Thats just sick man...
[15:51:47] <frallzor> tried filming the use of my vacuum clamp =)
[15:51:53] <Loetmichel> ESPECIALLY with two kids onboard ;-)
[15:52:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Nah
[15:52:20] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: you give them a mack and snorkle too
[15:52:24] <Jymmm> mask
[15:52:53] <PetefromTn> Just went snorkeling in the pool LOL
[15:52:57] <jdh> 6 and 12?
[15:53:06] <jdh> sounds like it's about time for another one.
[15:53:09] <Tom_itx> that's 18
[15:53:11] <PetefromTn> OOPs six and ten...
[15:53:12] <Loetmichel> hmmm, that reminds me. are there in TN still these big plastic water bottles wasted for the coolers?
[15:53:45] <PetefromTn> Loetmichel: HUH?
[15:53:56] <Loetmichel> make a raft out of a dozen or so of tham and some planks... ;-)
[15:54:11] <jdh> buy a jon boat
[15:54:35] <PetefromTn> We already have a nice Nacra catamaran that we use but my wife kinda does not like it because she is scared when we raise the mast..
[15:54:48] <PetefromTn> A jon boat is not a bad idea really...
[15:54:57] <Loetmichel> more or less "unsinkable", can be made wide enough to noch tip over and can have to rings in the planks to tie the kids to for disturbing the fisherman ;-)
[15:54:59] <PetefromTn> can also get trolling motor for it.
[15:55:59] <jdh> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/boa/3916435480.html
[15:57:05] <PetefromTn> Speaking of catamarans, I need to fix a crack I caused in the top of the hull last time out. I want to go sailing here too this summer before kids go back to school.
[15:57:17] <PetefromTn> jdh: Nice man thanks. How much you figure that boat weighs?
[15:57:40] <PetefromTn> My grandfather used to take me fishing on the lake in florida with one of those years ago.
[15:57:50] <PetefromTn> Plus if it gets a leak I can tig weld it LOL
[15:58:13] <jdh> 150-175lbs
[15:58:42] <Loetmichel> are they made from aluminium?
[15:58:50] <jdh> yep
[15:58:54] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[15:58:59] <Loetmichel> looks useable
[15:59:10] <Loetmichel> but i would make my own trolling drives
[15:59:32] <jdh> out of what?
[15:59:34] <jdh> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/boa/3901253755.html
[15:59:55] <Loetmichel> have seen some nice brusless motors for that. about a fistfull of engine with 11kW at the shaft ;-)
[16:00:18] <jdh> and seals and prop to fit yoru shaft and drives
[16:00:31] <Loetmichel> jdh: not necessary
[16:00:37] <Jymmm> http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/drone-it-yourself-turns-not-quite-anything-quadcopter-6C10570660
[16:00:49] <Loetmichel> just plaint the stator with anti-rust and use stainless ball bearings
[16:01:00] <Loetmichel> the motor itself will run fine under water
[16:01:12] <Loetmichel> ... having no brushes ;-
[16:01:13] <Loetmichel> )
[16:01:59] <jdh> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/boa/3889714454.html
[16:02:08] <jdh> that probably weighs closer to 100lbs
[16:02:18] <jdh> and would fit better in the back of a truck.
[16:04:32] <PetefromTn> not too shabby..
[16:11:35] <PetefromTn> Just got off the phone with my wife, she said she would rather have two canoes..
[16:12:30] <Jymmm> Heh, I think I'm going to put on a "Honor Yard Sale"
[16:14:44] <PetefromTn> whazzat?
[16:14:50] <Loetmichel> why did i read "homer yard sale"?
[16:15:21] <Loetmichel> ... and imagined a yellow guy putting his trash out ;-)
[16:16:18] <PetefromTn> LOL..
[16:18:23] <CaptHindsight> just leave everything on your front lawn with a deposit box for "whatever you think it's worth"
[16:19:06] <fbx90> i'm having trouble getting emc2 to talk to my probotix x90 controller and i think it's not having any effect on the output pins
[16:19:29] <fbx90> that is, if i probe the pins with a multimeter, and try flipping them with HAL, i also don't see any changes
[16:19:31] <archivist> fbx90, some ports need pull ups
[16:20:04] <fbx90> this is a 9865 based card
[16:20:08] <fbx90> if that makes any difference
[16:20:13] <fbx90> netmos
[16:20:21] <fbx90> /moschip
[16:20:35] <archivist> netmos is a little odd some do not work in some modes
[16:21:33] <fbx90> i got it because it was listed as working here:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/18917-faq-pci-parallel-port-cards
[16:24:44] <archivist> I have needed to add pull up resistors to get things running on some, not recorded what chip was driving though
[16:25:01] <fbx90> i'm not even sure i'm talking to it right
[16:25:12] <fbx90> i don't know if i have the right address or anything like that
[16:25:31] <fbx90> this is the relevant part of lspci -vv:
http://pastebin.com/sYRBPyti
[16:26:23] <fbx90> where it says IO ports at bcf0/bcf8... does that imply it has 2 separate ports on it?
[16:27:29] <JT-Shop> archivist: the cross handle fell off, it was threaded
[16:27:55] <archivist> JT-Shop, ! nice to know :)
[16:28:02] <andypugh> fbx90: what does cat /proc/ioports say ?
[16:29:01] <fbx90> andypugh: pastebinning it now
[16:30:01] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:30:40] <fbx90> andypugh:
http://pastebin.com/B7xCQy2q
[16:30:49] <fbx90> not sure what parts of that are relevant
[16:31:27] <fbx90> looks like it says the same thing
[16:31:48] <andypugh> That seems to indicate that hal_parport is looking at the defaul 0x378
[16:32:20] <fbx90> ok, and should it be looking at one of bcf0 or bcf8 instead?
[16:35:35] <fbx90> if i try those, i get a broken pipe when i try to jog an axis
[16:35:51] <fbx90> if i keep the address at 0x378, i just get no response
[16:35:56] <fbx90> but also no error
[16:38:12] <frallzor> weeey a crappy video of my clamp done
[16:39:46] <JT-Shop> archivist: I was explaining to him I couldn't get the handle off and he said it was loose when he went to install it...
[16:40:40] <archivist> hehe, the machining vibration probably freed it
[16:41:04] <Tom_itx> i bet so
[16:43:57] <fbx90> so any ideas how i can troubleshoot this thing?
[16:44:08] <fbx90> 16:17 < andypugh> That seems to indicate that hal_parport is looking at the defaul 0x378
[16:44:21] <fbx90> ^^should it or should it not be set to the default? :)
[16:45:28] <andypugh> It should be set to the bff0 number you mentioned earlier.
[16:46:27] <andypugh> Sorry, bcf0. You might need to write it as 0xbcf0 to make it clear to the system that it is a hex number.
[16:47:10] <frallzor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTc-tH8gTwQ crappy but shows it work =P
[16:49:40] <fbx90> andypugh: yeah, that worked
[16:49:55] <fbx90> i guess i messed it up the first time i tried it
[16:50:06] <fbx90> cool
[16:50:07] <fbx90> thanks
[16:50:51] <CaptHindsight> anyone know of any peristaltic pumps that base their output on pressure vs flow rate?
[16:51:10] <fbx90> my heart
[16:51:15] <CaptHindsight> looking for something 0.01-0.1 psi
[16:51:21] <andypugh> Gosh! I likeit when a plan comes together.
[16:52:21] <PetefromTn> frallzor: NICE man... Altho I think you maybe could make that slot deeper for the seal. Oh and I forgot..YOU GOT A MECHMATE!! NICE machine man. Did you build it? Does it run on linuxCNC?
[16:53:26] <Connor> what? no sound? I want to know how loud it is with the air rushing through the vacuum ..
[16:53:28] <frallzor> built it with the help of a local company here =)
[16:53:37] <frallzor> Connor no sound with raw-footage
[16:54:08] <frallzor> and yes, of course it runs linuxcnc, otherwise I wouldnt sit here =D
[16:55:00] <PetefromTn> damn I like those mechamates...
[16:55:03] <PetefromTn> Where are ya located?
[16:55:10] <fbx90> hmm, seems that my ff version is too old to view youtubez
[16:55:24] <frallzor> sweden
[16:55:34] <PetefromTn> oh damn...
[16:55:35] <frallzor> south of sweden to be specific =)
[16:56:02] <PetefromTn> Looks like a sweet machine. How hard was it to build?
[16:56:02] <fbx90> what is a clamp?
[16:56:06] <fbx90> since i can't view the video :/
[16:56:09] <ssi> Connor: I got the bearings for the 704
[16:56:13] <PetefromTn> vacuum clamp
[16:56:21] <ssi> Connor: pete said he was still hung up on how to do the top of my pulley
[16:56:28] <fbx90> like a vacuum chuck?
[16:56:31] <ssi> I don't really know what to tell him
[16:56:49] <Connor> ssi: You get the sims for both UPPER and LOWER ? Some people forget the uppers.
[16:56:51] <PetefromTn> yeah its a plastic rectangular plate with a circular clamp in the middle.
[16:56:55] <ssi> I have two sizes of shim
[16:57:05] <ssi> the smaller ones are the size of the inner race of the smaller bearing
[16:57:08] <Connor> thickness or diameter ?
[16:57:11] <ssi> I'm assuming that's correct
[16:57:12] <ssi> diameter
[16:57:18] <Connor> okay.
[16:57:28] <fbx90> i built a vacuum chuck for a cutting machine i built over here... was prety complicated with several layers and lots of holes and stuff...
[16:57:50] <fbx90> turns out it runs fine without it :p
[16:57:53] <Connor> yea. be sure you put the lower shims on first before putting on the lower bearing... I had to buy a new one cause I couldn't get it off.. :(
[16:58:16] <Connor> pete had to cut the bearing off for me. :(
[16:58:47] <frallzor> making a new version with some music instead of nothing =P
[16:59:10] <frallzor> PetefromTn not that hard, just got some help with welding with precision
[16:59:19] <frallzor> had no room to do that myself or means of aligning
[16:59:23] <Connor> the plans I sent PetefromTn is for belt conversion with upgraded bearings. no draw bar.. so, that should be good to go.
[16:59:24] <frallzor> otherwise easy
[16:59:42] <Connor> also includes ability to mount the original RPM ring.
[17:00:24] <PetefromTn> frallzor: I can sure as hell do the welding. Is yours 4x8?
[17:00:24] <ssi> that works for me
[17:01:10] <PetefromTn> Connor: So I can make the pulleys to the plans you sent me? What was the motor shaft size again>
[17:01:17] <frallzor> slightly less than 4
[17:01:21] <frallzor> to fit the doors =)
[17:01:34] <PetefromTn> so its a 4x4 then?
[17:01:35] <Connor> PetefromTn: Yup. His motor had different shaft size.. so.. what ever he said..
[17:01:35] <ssi> PetefromTn: 14mm
[17:01:43] <frallzor> 3.8x8 or something
[17:01:50] <frallzor> I'd say
[17:02:02] <ssi> Connor:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOrspVFCYAAWc5p.jpg:large
[17:02:14] <PetefromTn> frallzor: Okay so its an eight foot machine then. The rails run along the 8 foot length don't they..
[17:02:22] <frallzor> yes
[17:02:32] <frallzor> 1 of the axis atleast =)
[17:02:50] <Connor> ssi Yup. Looks good. Large shims.. then large bearing.. then small bearing then small shim.
[17:02:58] <frallzor> currently building a nice little 3D-printer, alllways wanted one of those
[17:03:00] <PetefromTn> I mean the supports for the Y axis run the long length not the short length.
[17:03:08] <ssi> and the small shim is supposed to shim the inner race? that seems odd
[17:03:09] <frallzor> long = X for me
[17:03:25] <frallzor> y = short
[17:04:23] <PetefromTn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSvdGoM5hTs like this one..
[17:04:47] <frallzor> 8foot = x 4foot =y for me
[17:05:04] <frallzor> standard design of it =)
[17:05:48] <frallzor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZStRazGCA4&feature=youtu.be I prefer this with music, fits the video sort of =)
[17:05:49] <Tecan> (2ZStRazGCA4) "clamping music" by "ODDNAME" is "People" - Length: 0:00:51
[17:08:08] <PetefromTn> Nice man.... Still can't hear the sound of the sucking LOL
[17:09:33] <PetefromTn> Damn I want a mechmate.... Anyone want to build two with me? You pay for the materials and I will build two one for me and one for you sans electronics LOL
[17:12:18] <fbx90> hmm
[17:12:31] <fbx90> can you make it sturdier so it can cut aluminum?
[17:12:40] <andypugh> http://youtu.be/i4fTythQj5s You can single-point thread with G33.1 on a mill. :-)
[17:12:41] <Tecan> (i4fTythQj5s) "X-drive" by "andy pugh" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:59
[17:13:31] <fbx90> andypugh: do you need axis encoders to do that?
[17:13:55] <andypugh> You need a spindle encoder. In my case it is a resolver.
[17:14:09] <Jymmm> http://goo.gl/maps/bQU2w
[17:15:13] <fbx90> neat
[17:15:23] <Jymmm> http://youtube@goo.gl/maps/bQU2w
[17:15:45] <JT-Shop> frallzor: why not glue the ends together with some super glue?
[17:15:55] <Jymmm> http://youtu.be@goo.gl/maps/bQU2w
[17:16:06] <skunkworks> andypugh: very cool!
[17:16:25] <Jymmm> http://youtu.be/@goo.gl/maps/bQU2w
[17:16:34] <frallzor> JT-Shop thought about that, didnt have any though =P
[17:16:38] <Jymmm> oh well
[17:16:44] <andypugh> What are you doing, Jymmm?
[17:16:53] <Jymmm> andypugh: phuking with the bot
[17:17:01] <andypugh> Ah
[17:17:17] <andypugh> Chrome thinks you are Phishing.
[17:17:39] * JT-Shop emails frallzor a tube of fingernail glue from the wife
[17:17:39] <Jymmm> andypugh: Ah, yeah.... due to the @ in a url.
[17:17:49] <PetefromTn> I think the mechmates already can cut aluminum..
[17:18:22] <JT-Shop> aww I can't see Andy's video an error occourred...
[17:18:49] <fbx90> yeah, i don't think youtube works with ubuntu 8.04 anymore :p
[17:19:20] <Jymmm> andypugh: you used to be able to
http://username:passowrd@url/ to login to websites, but the scammers abused it with things like
http://ImYourSafeBankYouCanClickOnMe@EvilWebsite.tld/
[17:20:27] <fbx90> what open source cam software are you guys using?
[17:21:01] <JT-Shop> gedit
[17:21:05] <PetefromTn> nothing open source but I use sheetcam and now cambam. Both are less than $200.00 each
[17:21:24] <frallzor> Im a pirate, for personal use though
[17:21:31] <fbx90> :)
[17:21:33] <frallzor> use vectric to make money
[17:21:37] <PetefromTn> what does that mean?
[17:21:41] <frallzor> *vectric aspire
[17:21:58] <fbx90> our roland uses visual mill but we only have one license for that
[17:22:20] <fbx90> going to try out heeks
[17:22:25] <PetefromTn> Cambam is hard to beat, it does v-carving, it even does some 3d toolpathing as well as jpg to g-code stuff for reasonable price
[17:22:40] <fbx90> what is v-carving?
[17:23:09] <PetefromTn> V-carving is like sign making where letters are cut with a large vee cutter making caligraphic look via varying depth.
[17:23:29] <fbx90> ah
[17:23:33] <frallzor> http://imageshack.us/a/img560/3194/img48702.jpg mostly v-carved
[17:23:38] <fbx90> some kind of 2.5d stuff
[17:23:41] <frallzor> with a small 3mm endmill for bottom
[17:24:14] <fbx90> so the corners are sharp...
[17:24:16] <fbx90> neat
[17:24:27] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, you gettin cambam figured out?
[17:24:52] <PetefromTn> Nah not been able to spend too much time with it yet. It seems to give some decent G-code so far.
[17:25:27] <PetefromTn> Played with some 3d files I drew in Freecad and posted some code. Did not run it yet but it looks good on paper anyway.
[17:26:10] <PetefromTn> frallzor: Damn did you make that? It looks beautiful.
[17:26:22] <frallzor> yup
[17:26:30] <frallzor> not that hard with vectorfiles though
[17:26:48] <PetefromTn> I changed my mind...SSI is not my hero anymore, now it's frallzor.....LOL Hey I'm fickle.
[17:27:27] <Tom_itx> fragalot, what sort of bit did you use?
[17:27:29] <Tom_itx> angle wise
[17:27:38] <frallzor> frallzor M(
[17:27:39] <frallzor> ;)
[17:27:56] <Tom_itx> err frallzor
[17:28:02] <frallzor> 90 or 60
[17:28:09] <frallzor> cant remember
[17:28:32] <PetefromTn> I ordered a 60 degree with a .020 point
[17:28:44] <PetefromTn> Can't wait to try it on the VMC...
[17:29:47] <PetefromTn> http://www.cambam.co.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=3f3ab494ae35f0381b201dcd241d0c23&topic=627.0
[17:30:01] <PetefromTn> Some discussion about v-carving in CamBam forum...
[17:30:18] <frallzor> I recommend vectrics software for this kind of work
[17:30:20] <frallzor> it rocks
[17:30:38] <PetefromTn> apparently it only does certain fonts but that is not unusual. I have had lots of troube with certain fonts in Sheetcam which also has vcarving somewhat.
[17:30:46] <PetefromTn> Yeah it is also not cheap.
[17:31:04] <frallzor> depends on the version =)
[17:31:22] <frallzor> vectric v-carve is good for v-carving =P
[17:32:32] <PetefromTn> What tip diameter did you use for that?
[17:32:50] <frallzor> none
[17:33:05] <frallzor> pointy pointy
[17:33:37] <PetefromTn> really no tip diameter?
[17:33:47] <frallzor> nope
[17:33:49] <PetefromTn> Damn what was your stepover?
[17:33:56] <PetefromTn> Musta taken hours..
[17:34:05] <frallzor> as I said, v-bit with 3mm endmill =)
[17:34:22] <PetefromTn> Oh so you ran a finish pass in the bottoms with a flat endmill
[17:34:29] <frallzor> yup
[17:34:53] <PetefromTn> What do you do program an inside pocket with that using a large offset or something?
[17:35:09] <frallzor> the software does all tha for me
[17:35:31] <frallzor> I just select that I want to use a "flattening tool" so to speak
[17:36:59] <PetefromTn> Never used vetrix so dunno... Sheetcam does the same things just differently.
[17:37:11] <frallzor> try the demo =)
[17:37:12] <PetefromTn> You use a radiused endmill?
[17:37:19] <PetefromTn> no thanks..
[17:37:22] <frallzor> regular endmill
[17:37:43] <PetefromTn> Is that on a radius?
[17:37:58] <frallzor> how do you mean?
[17:38:09] <Tom_itx> if it's a regular endmill it's not radius'd
[17:38:15] <PetefromTn> Is the part surface radiused or flat?
[17:38:17] <Tom_itx> bull or ball is radius'd
[17:38:24] <frallzor> flat
[17:38:26] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Yeah I know thanks..
[17:38:29] <Tom_itx> that ain't no bull either
[17:38:36] <PetefromTn> In the picture it almost looks radiused.
[17:39:24] <PetefromTn> That is some fine looking work my friend, nicely done. What kinda wood is that?
[17:39:31] <frallzor> pine
[17:39:45] <frallzor> and not the good kind either
[17:39:47] <PetefromTn> You're kidding... looks way to fine grain for pine...
[17:39:50] <frallzor> crapy for shelving
[17:39:55] <frallzor> *crap
[17:40:03] <PetefromTn> Mechmate made that?
[17:40:07] <frallzor> yup
[17:40:14] <PetefromTn> Damn I want a mechmate LOL
[17:40:25] <PetefromTn> What spindle did you use?
[17:42:03] <frallzor> 2kW TeknoMotor electrospindle
[17:42:53] * JT-Shop finally finds the link well done frallzor
[17:42:58] <JT-Shop> very nice indeed
[17:43:15] <PetefromTn> Nice.. Gonna eat some Ravioli's and sauce here guys... be back in a bit.
[17:43:28] <frallzor> prrof of concept done, not just to refine it =)
[17:43:30] <PetefromTn> and I don't mean Chef boy ardee...LOL
[17:43:34] <frallzor> *proof even
[17:43:48] <JT-Shop> for your vacuum part holder?
[17:43:54] <frallzor> indeed
[17:43:56] <skunkworks> andypugh: how long until it is installed?
[17:44:39] <andypugh> I am not sure, hopefully by next weekend.
[17:44:44] <skunkworks> neat
[17:45:14] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/263806
[17:45:22] <frallzor> 00.30, might be time for bed =P
[17:45:34] <JT-Shop> I made the bit that holds the Ram Ball up
[17:46:23] <frallzor> nite nite!
[17:46:30] <JT-Shop> sleep tight
[18:04:26] <PetefromTn> Dinner's done...goin' fishin...
[18:35:53] <ssi> Connor: you here?
[18:36:42] <Connor> ssi: What's up?
[18:37:11] <ssi> http://www.prototechnical.com/~imcmahon/g0704_headstock.png
[18:37:21] <ssi> the bearings that are getting replaced are 248 and 296, yea?
[18:37:50] <Connor> yes.
[18:38:00] <ssi> how do I take the spindle out of the quill body?
[18:38:13] <ssi> I removed the two screws (252)
[18:38:44] <Connor> okay.. then you need a pin wrench to unscrew 251
[18:38:54] <ssi> it turns freely, but doesn't seem to unscrew
[18:39:02] <ssi> and I don't have a pin wrench... I need to get one :/
[18:39:05] <Connor> you have to hold the quill.
[18:39:12] <ssi> ah
[18:39:16] <Connor> it's threaded onto the quill.
[18:39:25] <Connor> you also have to remove the bottom as well.
[18:39:34] <ssi> with a pin wrench as well, yea?
[18:39:34] <Connor> 251 adjusts the pre-load as well.
[18:39:39] <Connor> yes.
[18:39:40] <ssi> ok
[18:39:46] <ssi> and the shims go on which side of each bearing?
[18:39:51] <ssi> below 248, above 296?
[18:40:02] <ssi> er no, below 296 I guess
[18:40:06] <Connor> be sure to orientate your AC bearings correctly too.
[18:40:27] <Connor> shims, 296 , 248, shims, 251
[18:41:05] <ssi> ok
[18:41:33] <ssi> what kind of pin wrench works for 251?
[18:41:38] <ssi> the holes are awfully deep
[18:41:41] <Connor> and you should be able to see the balls of the AC's when looking from the bottom, and when looking for the top.. They're back to back.. with the quill locked between them.
[18:42:06] <Connor> I had to make my own.
[18:42:34] <Connor> Might be able to use bent needle nose pliers.
[18:43:04] <jdh> what do teh screws do?
[18:43:46] <Connor> the nut is split.. and the screws tighen it up.
[18:43:49] <Connor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hP-XvbV7Pc4
[18:43:50] <Tecan> (hP-XvbV7Pc4) "G0704 Spindle Bearing Replacement" by "hossmachine" is "Howto" - Length: 0:11:58
[18:43:53] <Connor> video on the bearings.
[18:45:25] <ssi> I got 251 out
[18:45:43] <ssi> not the bottom one though... what is that, 247?
[18:46:12] <Connor> I don't see it on the diagram.
[18:48:18] <Connor> It's not on it.. not sure what 247 is either.
[18:51:24] <ssi> I'm guessing everything needs to get the piss greased out of it the way it was from the factory?
[18:51:37] <Connor> Umm no.
[18:51:42] <ssi> haha ok
[18:51:45] <ssi> are these bearings pre-greased?
[18:51:47] <ssi> I can't really tell
[18:51:50] <Connor> No.
[18:51:55] <ssi> I have some kluber isoflex
[18:52:02] <Connor> I used the Lkuber ISOflex..
[18:52:10] <Connor> Hoss says how much to use..
[18:52:20] <ssi> ok, haven't gotten to that part yet :P
[18:52:27] <ssi> I washed the spindle out in my parts washer
[18:52:27] <ssi> heh
[18:53:58] <Connor> I think it's 1cc in lower .5cc in upper.
[18:54:30] <ssi> hm so it looks like he's not running the lower retainer with the new bearings?
[18:54:31] <Connor> we then pre-broke it in on a lathe and adjusted the preload..
[18:54:41] <Connor> he is.
[18:55:04] <Connor> the lower is just a dust cover..
[18:55:09] <Connor> the upper adjusts the preload.
[18:55:34] <Connor> his will look a bit different because he didn't use the shims.. that was after though.. he did something else..
[18:55:41] <Connor> http://www.g0704.com/belt_drive_dvdrom.html
[18:55:46] <ssi> yea watching him inject grease now
[18:55:49] <Connor> if you read the text here.. you will see.
[18:56:17] <ssi> yea 1cc in lower and .5cc in upper
[18:57:12] <Connor> your lower retainer will be flush or slightly recessed like it should be
[18:58:19] <Connor> again.. MOST IMPORTANT lower shims on first.. and make sure you have the lower bearing the right way.. otherwise you'll pull it apart when you apply preload..
[18:59:41] <Connor> I think it's 4 shims on lower.. not sure on top.. I forgot to order those and we ended up cutting a washer down for that one.
[19:00:43] <Connor> afk for a while. say may name if you need me.
[19:04:56] <JT-Shop> Saw Johnny Scarecrow make his rounds
[19:04:56] <JT-Shop> In his jet-black mac (which he won't give back) --
[19:04:56] <JT-Shop> Stole it from a snow man.
[21:06:48] <PetefromTn> Evenin' folks.
[21:07:29] <PetefromTn> Just got back from Fishin'....didn't catch squat but my wife caught a small bass and my kids both caught some bluegills...
[21:08:01] <PetefromTn> Got a couple hits on my rat-tail spoon and my Hula Popper since it was getting dark but nothing stuck.
[21:08:22] <PetefromTn> Oh well it has been raining for like a week here now and the water was VERY murky and really deep.
[21:12:42] <uw> good ol TN eh?
[21:13:00] <uw> were you up in the smokeys?
[21:16:55] <PetefromTn> yeah man I basically live in the smokies...
[21:17:32] <PetefromTn> We actually take the kids to a local park to fish tho since there is an easy drive up and a small pier and a bridge to fish off of.
[21:17:53] <PetefromTn> They love it and there is actually quite a few big fish in there I know I have seen them with my own eyes.
[21:18:15] <PetefromTn> I did get to see a HUGE beaver swim near us. He did not seem to mind us at all LOL..
[21:44:24] <PetefromTn> Just saw that FSwizard is now an APP on Android....Downloading it now..
[21:57:18] <PetefromTn> Jeez this place is dead tonight LOL
[22:02:37] <toastyde1th> lol
[22:29:09] <jdh> sup d00dz
[22:34:05] <ssi> Connor: still up?
[22:38:41] <PetefromTn> Hell he's probably snorin'
[22:38:52] <jdh> he's probably eating dinner
[22:38:57] <ssi> I made a pin spanner, and I can't get the damn retainer ring off for nothin
[22:39:04] <ssi> know offhand if it's standard or reverse thread?
[22:39:19] <jdh> I just made a pin spanner, but slightly different than yours I think.
[22:39:40] <PetefromTn> I THINK he said it was reverse thread..
[22:41:42] <ssi> heh
[22:41:58] <PetefromTn> That wasn't a joke..
[22:42:02] <ssi> I know
[22:42:19] <ssi> it's also not terribly confident :)
[22:42:26] <jdh> hoss's is a normal thread
[22:42:33] <ssi> how do you know?
[22:42:36] <jdh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-XvbV7Pc4
[22:42:39] <ssi> in his videos he always skips that part
[22:42:42] <ssi> I'm talking about the lower ring
[22:42:44] <jdh> 1:50
[22:43:08] <ssi> yea I have that one off already
[22:43:12] <ssi> the lower one is the one that won't move
[22:43:42] <PetefromTn> want me to text him to get his attention>
[22:43:45] <ssi> eh
[22:43:51] <ssi> if he's sleeping I don't want to disturb him
[22:43:54] <jdh> email him and ask, he usually replies quickly
[22:44:08] <PetefromTn> okay..
[22:44:15] <jdh> (he being hoss)
[22:44:17] <Tom_itx> irc just isn't quick enough anymore
[22:45:04] <ssi> NO ITS NOT
[22:45:05] <PetefromTn> what is?
[22:45:38] <Tom_itx> depends who you are i suppose
[22:46:30] <PetefromTn> Connor said hed be back in ten minutes or so...
[22:46:30] <ssi> it's standard thread
[22:46:35] <ssi> I can tell by the way it's cut
[22:52:53] <Connor> What's up ?
[22:53:01] <Connor> Sorry... Was watching Under the Dome.
[22:53:19] <Connor> ssi: and I normally don't go to bed till 2 or 3 am.
[22:53:21] <Connor> EST
[22:54:28] <Connor> On to get the lower off.. Use a punch at a angle.. it's threaded standard.
[22:55:37] <Connor> I had to clamp my spindle in a vise and use a punch to get it started.. once It moved a bit, then the spanner worked fine.
[22:58:27] <Connor> SSI: *poke*
[23:00:48] <PetefromTn> He's in the corner curled up in the fetal position because he could not get the part unscrewed and there was NOBODY online right NOW to help him LOL
[23:05:29] <ssi> I'm back
[23:05:31] <ssi> I got it apart
[23:05:39] <ssi> with a punch :)
[23:05:42] <jdh> bigger hammer?
[23:05:47] <ssi> I just didn't want to beat it TIGHTER
[23:06:32] <Connor> PetefromTn: ROFL
[23:06:40] <Connor> ssi: Good deal.
[23:06:52] <ssi> now I gotta figure out how thick to shim them
[23:06:54] <PetefromTn> LOL
[23:07:02] <Connor> shims 4mm ?
[23:07:07] <Connor> err.. 1mm?
[23:07:09] <ssi> yeah
[23:07:10] <Connor> You need 4 I think.
[23:07:15] <ssi> thats' what I thought
[23:07:33] <Connor> 4mm for bottom. 3mm for top.
[23:07:40] <ssi> but it looks thick
[23:07:48] <ssi> like the retainer might be sticking out
[23:08:04] <Connor> What's the thickness of your lower bearing ?
[23:08:18] <ssi> I have a caliper up here somewhere I swear :)
[23:08:37] <Connor> should be 14mm
[23:09:03] <ssi> yea it is
[23:09:17] <Connor> the old tapper bearing should be around 18mm
[23:09:43] <PetefromTn> It's like watching Doctor Frankenstein working...
[23:09:55] <ssi> hush you
[23:10:05] <PetefromTn> Okay Igor.
[23:10:28] <Connor> I seated the lower onto the spindle first then we pressed it into the spindle housing.
[23:11:00] <Connor> again. make sure shims go on first and you have it the right direction. (back of the bearing facing UP)
[23:18:11] <ssi> I have the bearings pressed into the housing
[23:18:19] <PetefromTn> Holy smokes its midnight..
[23:18:23] <ssi> the lower retainer does NOT seat flush like you mentioned earlier
[23:18:27] <ssi> it's proud just like hoss's
[23:30:23] <Connor> ssi That doesn't make any sense.
[23:30:34] <Connor> mine is flush.
[23:30:40] <ssi> yea I dunno
[23:30:51] <ssi> the retainer has a lip on the backside that I think clears the stock bearing
[23:30:54] <ssi> but it doesn't clear this one
[23:30:56] <Connor> are you sure you got all of the tapered bearing out ?
[23:31:12] <ssi> of course :P
[23:31:17] <Connor> how much does it protrude ?
[23:31:27] <ssi> about half the thickness of the retainer
[23:31:34] <Connor> something is way off.
[23:32:34] <Connor> the bearing itself should seat inside just fine.
[23:32:41] <ssi> it seats fine
[23:32:58] <PetefromTn> Quick raise the platform, the lightning will bring it to life!!
[23:33:23] <Connor> take some pictures..
[23:33:41] <Connor> can you remove the spindle from the housing without damaging the bearing ?
[23:33:49] <ssi> spindle isn't in the housing
[23:33:51] <ssi> I'm taking pictures now
[23:35:29] <PetefromTn> Post em' I've never seen a frankenstein 0704 before....
[23:35:34] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOtG4g_CcAAVbWq.jpg:large
[23:35:47] <ssi> with 4mm worth of shims in place:
[23:35:48] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOtG8AwCUAEP3N0.jpg:large
[23:36:10] <Connor> Oh. Wait.
[23:36:17] <Connor> Ugg.
[23:36:19] <Connor> brb
[23:36:23] <ssi> haha ok
[23:36:50] <Connor> You got a 50x62 sims didn't you ?
[23:36:54] <Connor> shims.
[23:37:17] <ssi> I got whatever part number was on hoss's page
[23:37:19] <ssi> lemme check
[23:37:26] <Connor> 35x45 is the ones you want.
[23:37:32] <Connor> if you don't want it to protrude like that.
[23:37:45] <Connor> Update: I thought of a better way to shim the lower bearing so that the retainer would screw back into the quill close to it's stock depth, (it sticks out a little when tightened against the lower bearing as I did it)
[23:37:45] <Connor> Use a 35x45x4mm shim that would go on the spindle first below the lower bearing instead of the 50x62x4mm on top of the bearing as described above. You can buy shims from McMaster.com that would work instead.
[23:37:45] <Connor> part# 98055A346Â 35x45x1mm $7.66 for a pack of 10
[23:37:45] <Connor> Check out Michael's thread starting on post# 234 for more details.
[23:37:47] <ssi> 50x62 indeed
[23:37:56] <ssi> hahah
[23:37:57] <ssi> of course
[23:38:21] <Connor> get those. :)
[23:38:30] <ssi> meh
[23:38:34] <ssi> what's the downside of letting it stick out
[23:38:49] <ssi> or grindin the lip off the back of the retainer
[23:38:52] <Connor> looks like crap. Not sure what it does to the top of the spindle.
[23:39:10] <Connor> it WILL effect how much of the spindle sticks up.
[23:39:39] <ssi> can't imagine how
[23:40:02] <Connor> With the other method.. it pulls the inner part of the spindle down by 4mm.
[23:40:18] <Connor> because the shims go on the spindle.. then it goes into the bearing.
[23:40:32] <Connor> so, it effects the overall amount by 4mm
[23:40:40] <ssi> that doesn't change the position of the spindle, only theposition of the bearing
[23:41:36] <Connor> No. It does. the shims rest on the shoulder of the spindle.. then the bearing. the only reason for the shims is to keep the inner spindle tight against the bearing.
[23:41:59] <Connor> so, with method number 2, your moving the spindle, not the position of the bearing.
[23:42:42] <Connor> At least.. it looked to have effected it.. anyway.
[23:42:48] <Connor> I went with method two.
[23:42:54] <ssi> if the spindle housing is in a fixed place, and you shim the outer race of the bearing so you move the bearing down 4mm, and then put the shouldre of the spindle against the inner race of the bearing,
[23:43:01] <ssi> the shoulder is 18mm below the seat of the bearing
[23:43:15] <ssi> if you get rid of those shims and seat the bearing at the top, then put 4mm of shims on the inner race between it and the spindle
[23:43:21] <ssi> the spindle shouldre is 18mm below the seat of the bearing
[23:44:24] <Connor> Eh whatever. I went with method 2. My cover is flush. :)
[23:44:38] <ssi> I'm just gonna grind the cover
[23:44:57] <Connor> Grind 4 mm off of it ?
[23:45:16] <ssi> it doesn't protrude 4mm
[23:45:27] <ssi> yea maybe it does
[23:45:29] <ssi> 3.5
[23:45:35] <ssi> it's just this stupid lip on the backside
[23:45:52] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOtHD3eCEAIYDdn.jpg:large
[23:45:54] <ssi> see it there on the table?
[23:46:05] <Connor> yea.
[23:46:18] <Connor> UMM.. Is you bearing on the right way ?
[23:46:22] <ssi> yeah
[23:46:30] <Connor> let me see the other side.
[23:46:35] <ssi> can't
[23:46:40] <ssi> it's already jammed in the housing :)
[23:46:47] <ssi> the outer race is thicker on the other side
[23:46:51] <ssi> I know how AC bearings work :P
[23:46:58] <Connor> okay. just making sure..
[23:47:09] <Connor> hard to tell without looking at both sides.
[23:47:15] <ssi> I know
[23:47:26] <ssi> these look goofy because the balls are in a plastic race that you can see on both sides
[23:47:39] <Connor> see.. I had mine like that.. I forgot to put my shims between the bearing and the lower part of the spindle..
[23:48:15] <Connor> then.. ended up trying to take it off.. and separated the bearings..
[23:48:29] <ssi> did it ruin it?
[23:48:44] <Connor> was late, and I wasn't thinking.. Yea.. we had to cut the inner race off..
[23:48:50] <Connor> I had to buy a new bearing.
[23:49:42] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOtKSe6CQAACumN.jpg:large
[23:49:45] <ssi> shims go on top thusly, yea?
[23:49:55] <Connor> yes.
[23:50:18] <Connor> then you put the retainer on.. and tighten it to adjust the preload.
[23:50:25] <ssi> how did you go about setting the preload
[23:50:35] <Connor> add/subtract those shims as needed..
[23:50:40] <Connor> to get full contact.
[23:51:02] <ssi> full contact of what
[23:51:17] <Connor> inner race -- shims --- retainer nut
[23:51:51] <Connor> without the shims, you run out of thread and won't have any contact with the inner race.
[23:52:05] <ssi> oh I see
[23:52:19] <ssi> yea with only one shim, with the nut tight it has some endplay
[23:52:27] <Connor> and.. the large part on that bearing should be on the bottom.
[23:52:41] <ssi> yeah
[23:52:59] <Connor> can't tell which way.
[23:53:04] <ssi> it's correct
[23:53:19] <ssi> axial load toward the center of the spindle
[23:53:52] <Connor> okay. so, we put it on.. tightened it up.. and backed it off till we could run the spindle in the lathe with hardly any drag.
[23:54:38] <ssi> using the cap screws?
[23:54:41] <ssi> or tightening the retainer
[23:54:46] <ssi> I don't really understand what the cap screws do
[23:55:10] <Connor> tightening the retainer.. the cap screws lock it in place..
[23:55:41] <Connor> if you look.. they cut the retainer on either side.. and when you tighten the cap screws, it'll squeeze the threads tight.
[23:56:12] <ssi> ah right ok
[23:56:21] <Connor> making itself it's own jam nut..
[23:56:29] <ssi> yea that makes sense
[23:56:51] <Connor> so, tighten retainer to adjust preload, when satisfied, lock it down with cap screws. :)
[23:57:33] <Connor> we ran it in the lathe for 20 minutes or so... on no preload.... to spread the grease around..
[23:57:49] <Connor> okay.. back to watch Warehouse 13.
[23:57:51] <ssi> how'd you fixture it in the lathe
[23:58:33] <Connor> chucked the nose of the spindle up.. and used a strap wrench on the body to hold it.
[23:58:38] <ssi> gotcha
[23:58:52] <ssi> should I have zero endplay if I snug up that retainer?
[23:58:52] <PetefromTn> I remember that..LOL
[23:59:00] <Connor> then.. we held it ourselves to adjust preload.. and could tell how much drag it had.
[23:59:01] <ssi> caus eeven with five shims in there, I still have endplay
[23:59:12] <Connor> really?
[23:59:14] <ssi> yeah
[23:59:29] <Connor> you must not have it seated all the way..
[23:59:37] <Connor> or something..
[23:59:46] <ssi> wait i think it might be moving against the threads
[23:59:49] <ssi> lemme put the cap screws in
