#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-06-22

[01:59:59] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:57:07] <plasma_ger> hi i am in a little logic trouble
[02:57:44] <plasma_ger> thcud.enable is a bit IN and set by user M-code that works good
[02:58:05] <plasma_ger> now i woudt like to see in pyvcp a led indicating that
[02:58:15] <plasma_ger> the led is also n
[02:58:18] <plasma_ger> IN
[02:58:36] <plasma_ger> how does i manage that without a out
[03:23:52] <plasma_ger> i hacked the thcud comp for a out pin
[10:14:44] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[10:23:59] <IchGuckLive> not many postings today
[10:56:56] <servos4ever> Maybe everyone is in Kansas today...?
[11:08:35] <cradek> yes there are a LOT of people here
[11:10:19] <archivist> grmbl...I am not ....snifff
[11:11:51] <archivist> I saw no cats on these pics http://www.wallacecompany.com/mpm-2013/
[12:14:04] <eric_unterhausen> I feel like going through all the gigabyte mobos on newegg and downgrading them because they can't boot from usb
[12:14:32] <eric_unterhausen> apparently you have to format the flash drive fat16
[12:14:45] <eric_unterhausen> and it can't have partitions
[12:15:59] <eric_unterhausen> so much misinformation on the interwebs, it's a little scary
[12:16:11] <Loetmichel> hmm
[12:17:17] <Loetmichel> my last gigabuyte mobo has booted both from a fat32 flash and from a partitioned stick with ubuntu(ext4) and a swap on it
[12:17:37] <Loetmichel> ... so no, cant verify your statement
[12:18:01] <eric_unterhausen> I guess that's why there is so much misinformation, they randomly put different bioses on different boards
[12:18:13] <eric_unterhausen> how recent was that board?
[12:18:26] <Loetmichel> about a year old
[12:18:35] <eric_unterhausen> intel or amd?
[12:18:40] <Loetmichel> amd
[12:18:54] <Loetmichel> didnt rememer which one, though
[12:18:55] <eric_unterhausen> that shoots holes in my theory :)
[12:19:03] <eric_unterhausen> I have an e350
[12:19:12] <eric_unterhausen> it is stubbornly resisting my efforts
[12:19:32] <Loetmichel> the PC had a watercooling, maybe one copuld see the type on the photo...
[12:20:51] <Loetmichel> sorry, no luck, cant see it
[12:21:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4050
[12:21:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4047
[12:21:27] <eric_unterhausen> I have no idea, but gigabyte motherboard doesn't boot from usb brings up an unlimited supply of hits
[12:22:08] <Loetmichel> hmm, maybe this board is a bit older than a year... more like five IIRC
[12:22:25] <archivist> is that because there is an unlimited supply of users who did not set the boot option in bios
[12:22:33] <Jymmm> Yeah, IDE,
[12:22:48] <eric_unterhausen> archivist, there is an unlimited supply of people that give that answer, but it's wrong
[12:22:58] <Jymmm> or enabled Legacy USB support in the BIOS
[12:23:16] <eric_unterhausen> that's the bios default
[12:23:18] <eric_unterhausen> on my board
[12:23:22] <eric_unterhausen> and also usb storage
[12:23:48] <eric_unterhausen> I just went downstairs because I thought that would solve the problem, wasted trip
[12:24:39] <eric_unterhausen> the two solutions I haven't tried is inserting the usb drive at a magic moment during the boot process and formatting the flash with fat16
[12:25:03] <Jymmm> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90858.0
[12:25:09] <eric_unterhausen> and I guess my usb is too cheap to work
[12:25:39] <Jymmm> IMPORTANT!!! : DO NOT select USB-HDD
[12:26:05] <Jymmm> so it says
[12:26:29] <eric_unterhausen> the usb disk doesn't show up in the list, that was the third thing I tried
[12:26:52] <eric_unterhausen> the bios still supports ls120 and iomega zip drives though
[12:27:02] <Jymmm> lol
[12:27:24] <Jymmm> Too bad I only have USB Zip drive =)
[12:27:27] <eric_unterhausen> I barely remember the ls120, I don't think it was that big of a deal
[12:27:45] <Jymmm> It was, just expensive
[12:27:57] <eric_unterhausen> I am pretty sure all of the zip drives on the bios menu are related to iomega
[12:28:10] <eric_unterhausen> zip definitely stayed around for quite some time
[12:28:11] <Jymmm> 120MB 3.5" Floppy
[12:28:51] <Jymmm> Yeah, zip were cool. I still have mine.
[12:29:12] <Jymmm> Jazz were a pain, but you could boot from them.
[12:29:40] <eric_unterhausen> it's a little shocking how that business has changed
[12:29:57] <Jymmm> what business?
[12:30:04] <eric_unterhausen> storage
[12:30:07] <Jymmm> removeable storage?
[12:30:15] <eric_unterhausen> in particular, yes
[12:30:34] <Jymmm> Did you forget about bernulli drives too =)
[12:30:55] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, I can barely remember them
[12:31:51] <Jymmm> zip 100mb, now 64,000mb uSD the size of a fingernail
[12:31:57] <eric_unterhausen> I have entertained the theory that the NSA spying is keeping the disk drive companies in business
[12:32:06] <eric_unterhausen> that and porn
[12:32:33] <Loetmichel> hrhr, if i look around here: 2 zip10 drives in dirct visibility and about 10 disks ;-)
[12:33:06] <Loetmichel> and the iomega rev that sits in the Fileserver behind me ;-)
[12:33:11] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: The sad part is THEY ARE INSIGHT =)
[12:33:25] <eric_unterhausen> I would back it up to a couple of flash drives and recycle everything
[12:33:50] <eric_unterhausen> how long is a magnetic floppy type disk good for? Not more than a couple of decades, that seems obvious
[12:34:05] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: wanna bet?
[12:34:15] <Loetmichel> eric_unterhausen: wont second that
[12:34:18] <eric_unterhausen> there is a distribution
[12:34:43] <Loetmichel> i have 5.25" disks here that are still readable... last time written: 1989
[12:34:48] <eric_unterhausen> I wouldn't count on it for anything important to me
[12:34:55] <Jymmm> sidenote... I just found 5 SEALED 3.5" Floppies with lifetime warranty =)
[12:35:03] <Jymmm> ^boxes
[12:35:52] <eric_unterhausen> Q: I went in to my bios and now my computer won't boot at all why are newbie morons like you giving bad advice?
[12:35:52] <eric_unterhausen> A: I may be a moron but at least I know how to clear the CMOS using the supplied jumper on the motherboard.
[12:36:33] <eric_unterhausen> ^ from the bitcoin site referenced above
[12:36:37] <Loetmichel> harhar
[12:36:43] <Jymmm> 25 Years of storage... http://i45.tinypic.com/2zqe8pg.jpg
[12:37:27] <eric_unterhausen> the problem with microSD is that if they make it any smaller it will not be human usable
[12:37:55] <eric_unterhausen> I was lucky I didn't lose the most recent one I bought, it fell out of the packaging at a particularly bad time
[12:38:43] <Jymmm> I adopted uSD as my "standard" long ago. No USB sticks for me.
[12:39:18] <Loetmichel> neat @ Jymmm... to top that: http://www.howtogeek.com/106777/1980-to-2010-8-ibm-3380-disk-systems-versus-1-microsd-card-image/
[12:39:51] <eric_unterhausen> I had an IBM hard drive
[12:39:52] <Loetmichel> hrhr... should do also... if i look in my trousers pockets...
[12:39:59] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: heh =) and they are waterproof too.
[12:40:02] <eric_unterhausen> it used a three phase motor for the spindle, which I still have
[12:40:07] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14103
[12:40:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13549
[12:40:15] <eric_unterhausen> like a 1/3 horse induction motor
[12:40:24] <Loetmichel> ... it grows ;-)
[12:41:02] <Loetmichel> s/if/when (sorry, german fault) ;-)
[12:41:25] <Jymmm> BTW... These are AWESOME... http://dx.com/p/kawau-world-s-smallest-microsd-transflash-tf-sd-sdhc-usb-2-0-card-reader-keychain-25558
[12:41:53] <Jymmm> It's also what I boot my NAS from
[12:42:16] <Loetmichel> ... and yes, all that (exept the caliper) is in my right trousers pocket. always ;-)
[12:42:23] <eric_unterhausen> what mobo do you use on your nas? not gigabyte I hope
[12:42:53] <Jymmm> It's a POS Tyan server mobo
[12:43:04] <eric_unterhausen> loved Tyan
[12:43:11] <Jymmm> Fuck tyan
[12:43:29] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, last experience I had was not good
[12:43:32] <Jymmm> If it loses power, it wipes the CMOS settings.
[12:43:44] <Jymmm> no not the battery, known issue.
[12:44:03] <eric_unterhausen> sounds like beagleboards
[12:44:09] <Jymmm> heh
[12:44:11] <IchGuckLive> hi all !
[12:44:12] <eric_unterhausen> except it wipes the sd card
[12:44:19] <Jymmm> ouch
[12:44:41] <eric_unterhausen> Jon Elson says it's ext4, so I might try going back to ext3
[12:45:15] <IchGuckLive> ext4 is the better one for higher speed and larger files
[12:45:23] <Jymmm> That uSD to USB adapter also has a blue activity LED that stays lit when no activity to remind you it's plugged in.
[12:45:34] <eric_unterhausen> yes, but apparently it can't handle too many abrupt power loss
[12:46:12] <eric_unterhausen> Jymmm, I want one that's twice that size so I can remove it without using a screwdriver
[12:46:48] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: No need, I can ever remve the uSD card from the adapter without tools.
[12:46:54] <Jymmm> even*
[12:47:10] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: and I have no fingernails either.
[12:47:35] <eric_unterhausen> my top 100 file system requirements: 1 reliability 2 reliability 3 reliability ..... 99 reliability 100 performance on large files
[12:47:40] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: They have been great adapters.
[12:48:05] <eric_unterhausen> Jymmm, good point, you don't have to remove the usb thingy
[12:48:29] <eric_unterhausen> the small usb wifi cards have problem because of heat transfer, apparently
[12:48:53] <Jymmm> heh
[12:48:57] <eric_unterhausen> seems to be my experience, too hard to really tell with absolute certainty
[12:49:21] <Jymmm> I dont use usb RF, though I have a couple
[12:49:22] <IchGuckLive> eric_unterhausen: this might be reisa
[12:50:09] <Jymmm> But those adaters are great for repurposing older/smaller uSD cards
[12:50:39] <Jymmm> and dont stick out to be obtrusive and SNAP
[12:50:57] <eric_unterhausen> I was hoping that I could go diskless with my linuxcnc boxen
[12:51:10] <eric_unterhausen> but people seem to have latency problems
[12:51:27] <Jymmm> net boot?
[12:51:37] <eric_unterhausen> so I went with compact flash/sata adapter
[12:52:13] <eric_unterhausen> If I wasn't too lazy to set up a NAS, maybe netboot would work
[12:52:32] <Jymmm> Well, the NAS doesn't write to the uSD like a regular OS does.
[12:53:10] <eric_unterhausen> I mean there has to be a reliable server to netboot off of
[12:53:25] <Jymmm> And I can just image it easily to
[12:56:11] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JViLMjMj7wA
[12:56:12] <Tecan> (JViLMjMj7wA) "Lecteur Carte MicroSD DealExtreme" by "un3rsal" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:00:47
[12:58:51] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: eric_unterhausen: Wanna talk about technology changing... The new (used) iMac doesn't come with install media now. Sure there is a hidden RESTORE partition, but even if you replace the HDD you can actually restore the OS over the internet now.
[12:59:49] <Jymmm> even via wifi.
[13:00:22] <IchGuckLive> Yea us goverment takes a full backup of your OS worldwide O.O B)
[13:00:31] <Jymmm> That too
[13:00:52] <Jymmm> and the NSA won't give a copy of my backup... bastards.
[13:00:59] <Loetmichel> hrhr, right, IchGuckLive
[13:02:46] <Jymmm> FOIA Letter: "Dear NSA, my computer crashed, please provide a copy of back for my system. Thank you"
[13:02:50] <Loetmichel> hmmm, just got a second 2tb drive for the PC of my wife. installing win7... interesting how she got the tb and 250gb drives already in there nearly full
[13:03:18] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: She has a better pr0n collection than you?
[13:03:32] <Loetmichel> and on this 16MBit adsl line i doubt that the NSA will be able to copy it over the net ;-)
[13:03:47] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: s/porn/sitcom/scifi series
[13:03:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: They dont have to, they do it at the core routers.
[13:04:02] <Loetmichel> ???
[13:04:22] <Jymmm> Mae-West, PARX, etc
[13:04:53] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11615 <- all original dvds ;-)
[13:05:18] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Screw that, NAS ftw =)
[13:05:27] <Loetmichel> i meant: this line has 1Mbit upload.
[13:05:41] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: same here.
[13:06:16] <Loetmichel> to get the ~3-5tb data out of this home will be a daunting task, especially if the users should not register the upload ;-)
[13:06:23] <Jymmm> there's a LOT of idle time as you are not utilizing it 100% 24/7
[13:08:09] <IchGuckLive> NSA trowed me offline
[13:11:18] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: femals got so many stuff inthere closets so why not filing up a HDD
[13:11:29] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You might look into a nntp account insttead of all those dvds =)
[13:12:20] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: its the hobby if my wife: collecting Films and series on DVD
[13:12:23] <IchGuckLive> adultfilmcentral dot com B)
[13:12:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: She still can, just on your NAS instead =)
[13:13:01] <Loetmichel> and she is even opposed to ripping them and storing them on a nas because oft the illegality in germany
[13:13:08] <Jymmm> ah
[13:13:44] <Loetmichel> ant the "nas" over here is my fileserver
[13:14:01] <Loetmichel> which has to get some big piles of rotating rust soon...
[13:14:03] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: how has meen the storm at your place friday
[13:14:09] <Loetmichel> nearly full and much to small
[13:14:42] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y456lJMXs3A
[13:14:43] <Tecan> (Y456lJMXs3A) "Weltuntergang live" by "Loetmichel" is "People" - Length: 0:00:52
[13:15:13] <IchGuckLive> Yeah that has been a big storm around here
[13:15:43] <IchGuckLive> im off by
[13:31:35] <eric_unterhausen> had to wash the dog, going to see if I can browbeat the gigabyte into booting, otherwise it's try to find a working cdrom drive
[14:06:05] <eric_unterhausen> well, it didn't say boot failed this time
[14:06:14] <eric_unterhausen> but it hasn't shown any sign of booting yet
[14:09:06] <Aero-Tec2> I hope I have my new HAL file done correctly
[14:09:16] <Aero-Tec2> going to see if it loads
[14:10:10] <Aero-Tec2> what is the best way to test if the spindle encoder is working 100% correct?
[14:10:21] <Aero-Tec2> hal meter?
[14:10:50] <Aero-Tec2> the index was working and I was getting RPMs from index
[14:12:24] <Aero-Tec2> wanting to add encoder phase-A in counter mode as there is no phase-B
[14:14:29] <Aero-Tec2> it is my guess that I have things wrong or at the very least I have things in there that are not needed or may be wanted in there
[14:15:25] <Aero-Tec2> would like to have someone that is a HAL file guy to look it over and help me with anything that may need a tweak
[14:15:28] <Aero-Tec2> thanks
[14:16:26] <Aero-Tec2> BTW what does phase-A/counter actually do?
[14:16:49] <Aero-Tec2> how does EMC use it?
[14:19:58] <Aero-Tec2> I know it give EMC more info on speed and position of spindle , but that is all I know, would like to know how phase-A is used by EMC, more on the inner workings if possible
[14:20:06] <Aero-Tec2> thanks
[14:42:22] <eric_unterhausen> my mother in law got a spyware infection and they called her offering to clean it up. Pretty good scam
[14:44:41] <archivist> I just cleaned a laptop for a friend who got a trojan that demanded money claiming to be from the cops
[14:45:11] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: how did they get her number?
[14:48:24] <Aero-Tec2> a friend got a call from India saying they worked for Micro Soft and that hew computer had notified MS that her computer had a virus, my friend said that was funny as hew computer and a Apple, the guy from India got mad at her for having a Apple computer and hung up
[14:48:32] <Aero-Tec2> LOL
[14:49:08] <Jymmm> Windows... the oldest profitable virus I know.
[14:49:13] <Aero-Tec2> I need to proof read more
[14:49:17] <Aero-Tec2> what a mess
[14:49:25] <Aero-Tec2> LOL
[14:49:32] <Aero-Tec2> I agree
[14:51:20] <Jymmm> archivist: While all those "cleaning" products can be effective. I always just blow away one of my user's machine. It's the only 100% sure way you've gotten rid of it all, because there was a volnerability that got it there in the first place that needs to be addressed.
[14:51:20] <Roguish> hey all. little linux help. how do I get the address of the printer port?
[14:53:43] <Jymmm> lsmod | grep parport
[14:54:51] <Roguish> thanks, but that doesn't seem to show the 'base address' ?????
[14:57:29] <Roguish> i'm trying to be sure the port is 0x378, or what ever it is.
[15:01:11] <Nick001-Shop> 0x378 is the default parport address unless you played in bios
[15:19:13] <Jymmm> Not always, some are 0x037B
[15:29:20] <Nick001-Shop> Perhaps on an oddball MB, I've been through a lot of boards and that's been the default address for a motherboard parport. The other one is 0x278 in bios.
[15:46:32] <eric_unterhausen> I'm officially stumped, cannot get my mobo to boot from usb
[15:46:58] <eric_unterhausen> even tried the "insert usb stick at the magic moment when booting" advise
[15:47:10] <eric_unterhausen> wonder if newegg would take it back
[15:49:09] <archivist> I hate it when my box here reboots and I forget to remove the backup disk.....
[15:49:34] <archivist> it boots fine on usb :(((( slowly
[15:51:45] <eric_unterhausen> I've had that problem and don't like it much either, but any mobo made in the last 5 years that can't boot from usb fairly easily is not something that should ship from a reputable manufacturer
[15:52:11] <eric_unterhausen> they seem to be the only manufaturer with this issue
[15:52:42] <eric_unterhausen> i really don't want to buy a cd drive to run this thing, that's just stupid
[15:55:23] <eric_unterhausen> seems like a nice board though
[15:59:03] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:07:31] <eric_unterhausen> sent gigabyte an email, curious if they reply
[16:07:57] <eric_unterhausen> getting a pci slot is getting a lot harder
[16:24:30] <eric_unterhausen> is it actually possible to do a net install?
[16:24:54] <eric_unterhausen> without first running something on a local storage device?
[17:11:53] <Jymmm> hey, whats the best way to clean a firearm that hasn't seen the light of day in decades?
[17:12:41] <Jymmm> I dont have access to a hot dip tank, any other ideas?
[17:13:08] <Jymmm> I DO have some 1,1,1, but I'd rather not use it.
[17:13:28] <eric_unterhausen> gunsmith?
[17:13:36] <Jymmm> Especially since it's extinct and illegal =)
[17:13:47] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: what about it?
[17:14:03] * roycroft votes for cleaning it with no bullets in it
[17:14:04] <eric_unterhausen> trade money for services?
[17:14:09] <Jymmm> Why?
[17:14:33] <eric_unterhausen> your choice, you are asking on a cnc irc channel :)
[17:14:37] <Jymmm> roycroft: wuss
[17:14:52] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: Yes, one where metal work is performed.
[17:15:13] <eric_unterhausen> I think most of the people that shoot themselves while cleaning were actually playing with the gun
[17:16:01] <eric_unterhausen> it's an incredibly common story, and hard to believe. I also like the ones that checked the chamber but didn't see a bullet
[17:16:18] <eric_unterhausen> makes me laugh just to think about it
[17:16:39] <Loetmichel> eric_unterhausen: i was live at such an incident
[17:17:00] <jdh> and luckily, you still are.
[17:17:08] <Loetmichel> military service, had doorwatch
[17:17:17] <eric_unterhausen> I'm lucky I survived Air Force weapons training
[17:17:31] <Loetmichel> gave my weapon to my successor at changing shifts...
[17:18:11] <Loetmichel> he cocked the gun, looed into the chamber... "ok, empty" ... and dischaged tha gun...
[17:18:20] <eric_unterhausen> went to the range 4 times, twice ended up looking down the barrel of a loaded gun
[17:18:34] <Loetmichel> ... i was to slow to tell him that he forgot to remove the magazine
[17:18:59] <jdh> hey y'all, watch this.
[17:20:02] <eric_unterhausen> from what I have heard, U.S. army has a procedure for people entering a base with loaded weapons which involves aiming at a sand-filled barrel as the last step.
[17:20:18] <jdh> or steel bullet traps
[17:20:30] <eric_unterhausen> long, sad experience behind that, I'm sure
[17:21:08] <Loetmichel> -> *bang* -> niche kittle 7.62mm hole in the hull of our ship ;-)
[17:21:10] <eric_unterhausen> my boss asks me why I don't want to go to the gun range
[17:21:12] <Loetmichel> little
[17:21:45] <Loetmichel> <- navvy, we aim at the water normally
[17:22:00] <jdh> <- redneck, we aim at anything
[17:22:06] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[17:22:15] <eric_unterhausen> nice, I hope he just about choked filling out the paperwork
[17:22:45] <eric_unterhausen> first time when I saw the barrel of the gun pointed at me, I just froze
[17:23:13] <eric_unterhausen> second time, I put down my gun pointed downrange and walked to the back of the range, because the range supervisor was going to tell us to do that anyway
[17:23:50] <eric_unterhausen> in an unkind fashion
[17:24:14] <Loetmichel> let me guess: you were in a hurry?
[17:24:37] <eric_unterhausen> no, it's still a shock when the range supervisor starts screaming
[17:25:18] <Jymmm> jdh: what state you in?
[17:25:20] <eric_unterhausen> but at least I wasn't going to be in the way when the gun fired
[17:25:44] <Jymmm> jdh: FL ?
[17:25:47] <Tom_itx> are they meeting again at stuart's tomorrow?
[17:25:58] <Tom_itx> or is today it...
[17:32:33] <eric_unterhausen> I guess I'm going to format a few more usb flash drives in the vain hope that changes something
[17:40:37] <eric_unterhausen> pxe has a lot of promise, you would think it wouldnt' take a hacker to make it work
[17:43:29] <jdh> .nc.us currently.
[17:44:53] <jdh> but, I get to go to florida in a week or so.
[17:45:25] <eric_unterhausen> I was really surprised how nice it could be in Fla in the summer
[17:45:30] <eric_unterhausen> but I wasn't inland
[17:46:20] <jdh> I'll be inland, diving... wearing thermal undergarments and a black drysuit while it is 35c
[17:46:58] <eric_unterhausen> be safe
[17:47:22] <jdh> always!
[17:48:17] <eric_unterhausen> my mother is a caver, I've always thought going very far into a cave was like jumping out of a perfectly good airplane
[17:48:51] <eric_unterhausen> water-filled caves even moreso
[17:48:57] <jdh> we won't be going in more than 1.5km
[18:15:58] <Jymmm> jdh: what state you in?
[18:26:34] <cmorley> Is the author of the Mocca GUI for linuxcnc programmed in Pascal here?
[18:27:06] <cmorley> I wish to ask about run-from-line tricks he may have used...
[18:27:14] <pfred1> mmmmm Mocca...
[18:27:43] <Tom_itx> run from line would be a good thing
[18:29:14] <Tom_itx> especially if you could input the line instead of using the last line run
[18:29:54] <pfred1> I think I'm getting too old to solder
[18:30:04] <Tom_itx> never
[18:30:08] <Tom_itx> just get better optics
[18:30:23] <pfred1> I'm starting to develop somewhat of a shake too
[18:30:34] <pfred1> like my nerves are shot or something
[18:31:44] <pfred1> but yeah even with magnification things are not as in focus as they used to be either
[18:32:15] <Tom_itx> i use a binocular scope for the small stuff
[18:32:48] <cmorley> I am interested in having it restart spindle and turn on coolant etc before the abort was given.
[18:33:33] <Tom_itx> cmorley, that's why i thought it would be a good idea to be able to pick the line even if you have to repeat a few lines
[18:34:01] <Tom_itx> or honor MDI when switching back to auto
[18:34:06] <cmorley> I can pick the line in Gscreen already.
[18:34:27] <Tom_itx> i've only messed with axis so far
[18:34:52] <cmorley> means I have to have the M and S codes close to where I aborted
[18:35:37] <Tom_itx> or somehow have it honor MDI before it restarts
[18:35:52] <cmorley> I'm pretty sure Mocca parsed the gcode file and figured out what was turned on and what wasn't before restarting
[18:55:50] <Roguish> hey again. I have a new install of the liveCD 10.04. get error 'Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1' etc...... What's up with this?
[19:04:20] <Tom_itx> is the hardware connected and powered?
[19:06:21] <pfred1> I have 4 more wires to solder
[19:06:29] <pfred1> but not today
[19:07:00] <pfred1> today I welded an armillary
[19:07:16] <Tom_itx> not sure what that is
[19:07:39] <pfred1> kind of looks like a globe with an arrow shot through it?
[19:07:48] <Tom_itx> oh
[19:08:38] <pfred1> yeah i bought a beat one at a yard sale it had rotted apart
[19:09:09] <pfred1> Saturday is junk day!
[19:09:29] <pfred1> I gout out and get junk and fix it up
[19:09:39] <pfred1> go out even
[19:10:29] <Jymmm> I dont have access to a hot dip tank, any idead on cleaning a firearm that hasn't seen the light of day in decades?
[19:10:47] <pfred1> vinegar
[19:10:55] <Jymmm> really?
[19:11:00] <pfred1> works on saw blades
[19:11:15] <Tom_itx> pickeling
[19:11:16] <pfred1> turns rust into this black mush that you can wipe off
[19:11:25] <Tom_itx> not sure if that would do any harm though
[19:11:37] <pfred1> in my experience it is pretty mellow
[19:11:39] <Tom_itx> may be similar to vinegar
[19:11:51] <Jymmm> soak for how long?
[19:11:57] <Jymmm> in vinegar
[19:11:59] <pfred1> whatever vinegar rips off you won't want anyways
[19:12:16] <pfred1> well you can pull it out from time to time and wipe it off stop when you're happy
[19:12:51] <Jymmm> We're talking 40+ years of dried out grease, gun powder, etc
[19:12:54] <pfred1> it isn't too fast like it will take hours at least
[19:13:31] <pfred1> but fully immerse the piece I don't know what a liquid air transisition would do
[19:13:50] <pfred1> like have whatever you are soaking fully in the vinegar
[19:14:01] <Jymmm> Yeah, I get it
[19:14:15] <pfred1> try it with something else first just to see if you like it
[19:14:20] <Jymmm> lol
[19:14:24] <pfred1> viunegar is like cheaper than water though
[19:14:36] <pfred1> if you buy the cheap stuff by the gallon
[19:14:40] <Jymmm> Cheap is not what I'm going for
[19:15:02] <Tom_itx> if ever
[19:15:08] <pfred1> well I've done electrlytic rust removal and that is cool but vinegar is good too
[19:15:15] <pfred1> easier
[19:15:16] <Jymmm> I'll have to FULLY disasemble it. I only want to do this once.
[19:15:35] <pfred1> yeah when you're done rinse with water dry and oil immediately
[19:16:19] <pfred1> but like I said the vinegar will turn stuff into this black slime
[19:16:23] <Jymmm> Well, rinse with water, immerse in alcohol, then oil
[19:16:39] <pfred1> that wipes off pretty easily
[19:16:58] <Jymmm> and dried out grease?
[19:17:09] <pfred1> I don't know I'd use a solvent on that first
[19:17:24] <Tom_itx> you might wanna use some naptha first for the grease
[19:17:26] <pfred1> gasoline
[19:17:37] <pfred1> usually the cheapest thing
[19:17:39] <Jymmm> Maybe I just need to find a hot dip tank instead. FAR easier and more effective.
[19:17:42] <Jymmm> it sound like.
[19:17:50] <pfred1> maybe
[19:17:54] <Tom_itx> automotive dip tank?
[19:17:55] <Jymmm> and I wont have to dissable it
[19:18:03] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: yeah, but heated
[19:18:13] <Tom_itx> might be a bit harsh on the metal if it's new chems
[19:18:15] <pfred1> I put my vinegar tub out in the sun
[19:18:30] <pfred1> heats it up
[19:18:32] <Tom_itx> i've seen what it does to a beer can
[19:18:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you think so?
[19:18:40] <Tom_itx> leaves the label in tact
[19:18:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: this is steel, not aluminum
[19:18:57] <pfred1> well guns aren't aluminum
[19:19:02] <Tom_itx> i'm not entirely sure i'd do it
[19:19:08] <pfred1> vinegar will eat magnesium
[19:19:24] <pfred1> least it bubbles and foams
[19:19:35] <pfred1> that is how you test if something is magnesium
[19:19:43] <pfred1> put vinegar on it if it foams it is magnesium
[19:21:29] <pfred1> this is a picture of me doing a saw blade and a knife in vinegar http://i.imgur.com/oAUodS2.jpg
[19:21:57] <pfred1> lifted that rust right off
[19:23:28] <pfred1> nat a half bad bug killer either
[19:31:24] <Jymmm> pfred1: good idea ont ehbug killer, so is borax soap
[19:31:57] <pfred1> borax is a detergent booster but it isn't soap
[19:32:51] <Jymmm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax
[19:33:09] <pfred1> I know what borax is I go through boxes of the stuff
[19:33:36] <pfred1> by itself it does jack
[19:34:19] <pfred1> thy usually won't even sell it next to soap so people won't get confused
[19:37:09] <pfred1> well by itself borax isn't a bad brazing flux
[19:37:24] <pfred1> but that isn't what most folks buying it at a store want to do
[19:38:12] <Tom_itx> i think i have some sold as silver solder flux
[19:38:48] <pfred1> I think when it is sold as flux it is ground up finer
[19:39:12] <Tom_itx> probably
[19:39:22] <pfred1> supermarket borax does seem a bit coarser to me
[19:40:46] <pfred1> I use it and gel soap to wash my hands i love it
[20:43:39] <Skullworks> So are they burning the midnight kW at MPM tonite?
[20:44:23] <Jymmm> Skullworks: you didnt get to go?
[20:44:43] <Skullworks> I got nailed with Jury duty.
[20:44:53] <Jymmm> ah
[20:47:12] <Skullworks> I wanted to go meet the crowd and check out Stewart's toys - but otherwise I be the guy standing in back taking notes and wearing the JAFO ball cap.
[20:47:26] <Jymmm> Just tell em the entire jusdicial system is mucked up and you'll be devils advocate for the underdog
[20:47:29] <Tom_itx> stuart has cool toys
[20:48:08] <eric_unterhausen> just tell the judge that you are related to a prison guard, that gets you off around here
[20:50:16] <Skullworks> Oh - I did get released - I mentioned "Exculpatory evidence" and the DA made sure I was the first to go - but thats after 8 1/2 hours of group questions and the initial swearing in.
[20:50:46] <Jymmm> Skullworks: refuse to be swron in
[20:50:59] <Jymmm> well, not refuse, just "no thank you"
[20:51:17] <CaptHindsight> they are probably off to dinner by now
[20:51:18] <Skullworks> That would have me camped out in the county jail for contempt.
[20:51:31] <CaptHindsight> just got back after a 3 hour flight delay
[20:52:07] <Skullworks> 8hr drive from here
[20:52:21] <Jymmm> Skullworks: not refuse, just decline in a delicate fashion =)
[20:52:43] <Skullworks> and I scoped out the motels even.
[20:53:27] <Jymmm> Skullworks: sorry, it sucks
[20:53:47] <Jymmm> Skullworks: You could have wrote a letter saying it's a bad time
[20:55:00] <Skullworks> Actually - if I had made room reservations that the court clerk could look up online - I would have been let go.
[20:55:21] <CaptHindsight> the guys from Tormach took everyone out for dinner the past two nights
[20:55:57] <Skullworks> wow - how many actually made it?
[20:56:07] <Jymmm> Skullworks: could have said you were sharing with a friend
[20:56:10] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: I guess you were there Friday morning but I didn't run into you
[20:56:13] <Jymmm> under their name
[20:56:38] <CaptHindsight> 30 but not all at once
[20:56:39] <Tom_itx> i was for a bit but had to go
[20:56:53] <Tom_itx> just got back from KC
[20:57:03] <Skullworks> thats great.
[20:57:21] <Tom_itx> just as an observer
[20:59:12] <Tom_itx> i did get a tour of the shop though and that was very cool
[21:04:32] <Skullworks> I took the slide show walk through of LaRue Manufacturing in Texas - it was like Deja-vu. other than a Mitsubishi Wire EDM and a waterjet cutter, I have run everything else in that shop before.
[21:06:04] <Tom_itx> i'd never seen Wire EDM so that was a treat for me
[21:06:25] <Tom_itx> they sure go through alot of wire :)
[21:14:48] <Skullworks> Wire gets billed to each job - its the crap you clean out of the filters that can cost a small fortune to properly dispose of. AND all that used wire is sold to recyclers at premium rates cause it stays clean and basically pure.
[21:19:23] <Jymmm> PROFIT!
[21:20:59] <Skullworks> Ideal would be to run a job with a heavy wire, they run that wire through a draw die to make in uniform and the next size down - and use it again.
[21:21:19] <Jymmm> NO PROFIT =(
[21:24:13] <Skullworks> but thats for less critical work. Bottom line is total machine on time, power and the skilled babysitter are what cost the most.
[21:24:58] <tjb1> Anyone know of a tiny pcb that accepts 5v and charges AA batteries?
[21:25:49] <Tom_itx> ladyada might have something like that
[21:25:52] <eric_unterhausen> I bought a charger that can't have much of a circuit because it has 4 independent chargers for AAA or AA
[21:25:55] <Tom_itx> buck boost charger
[21:26:37] <tjb1> I want to stuff one in my mouse and use usb to charge the batteries.
[21:26:58] <tjb1> I don't know why they didnt just stuff a rechargeable battery inside :(
[21:27:26] <Skullworks> I worked in a shop with 4 Agie wire machines - they would run lights out overnight - until the auto threading malfunctioned after a wire break and put a newly new spools worth of wire all over the shop floor.
[21:27:45] <Skullworks> nearly new
[21:28:07] <tjb1> I wonder if I can use these - http://www.amazon.com/USBCELL-MXAA02-AA-Rechargable-Battery/dp/B000LV8YKQ and just tie the + and - of the usb to the battery terminals
[21:28:23] <tjb1> I would assume these won't let themselves over charge
[21:28:47] <eric_unterhausen> energizer AA battery charger has a tiny circuit board, there is an instructable on it
[21:28:50] <Skullworks> don't let it draw more than 500ma
[21:29:05] <tjb1> Those usbcells are made to plug into usb
[21:29:46] <Tom_itx> the minty boost isn't quite what you were asking for
[21:29:58] <Tom_itx> it charges 5v devices from AA cells
[21:30:12] <Tom_itx> http://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost
[21:30:21] <Tom_itx> that's not to say she doesn't have what you want
[21:30:59] <CaptHindsight> no need to get personal :)
[21:31:32] <tjb1> I can only find charger pcbs for lithium
[21:32:13] <CaptHindsight> did I hear correctly that adafruit is making their own ARM dev board for sale?
[21:32:40] <Tom_itx> tjb1, what sort of AA AAA are they?
[21:32:49] <tjb1> In the mouse?
[21:33:04] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:34:08] <tjb1> Just standard 1.5v
[21:34:55] <tjb1> I found an article about using the lipo but this will be my work mouse so I don't want to hack it up and explain what happened :P
[21:35:26] <Tom_itx> standard really aren't meant to be recharged
[21:35:29] <tjb1> if the + and - of the usb plug in the USBcell are the same as the + and - on the ends of the battery I will just jump the usb inside the mouse to the power terminals
[21:35:51] <tjb1> Tom_itx: I know, I am going to use rechargeables, just have to find a circuit or way to do it
[21:36:06] <Tom_itx> you're only allowed 500ma from the usb port and that's only after requesting it
[21:36:45] <tjb1> http://www.amazon.com/USBCELL-MXAA02-AA-Rechargable-Battery/dp/B000LV8YKQ
[21:49:39] <eric_unterhausen> tjb1: that certainly wins the prize for size
[21:50:20] <eric_unterhausen> I probably would just get a charger
[21:55:17] <tjb1> a charger that would fit inside the mouse?
[21:55:45] <Skullworks> I'm Out - night all.
[21:56:57] <Tom_itx> if you're gonna put wires back to the mouse you may as well use a wired mouse
[21:57:46] <eric_unterhausen> too bad you can't plug in wireless mice
[21:58:29] <eric_unterhausen> they would have to raise the price a 25 cents
[21:58:39] <Tom_itx> inductive charger
[21:58:59] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, but that would be $5
[21:59:35] <eric_unterhausen> same as downtown
[22:09:45] <Tecan> big update to git repo
[22:16:00] <Tecan> it keeps crashing with the simulator mode
[22:16:44] <Tecan> Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1
[22:20:26] <Tecan> 5 axis works though :)
[22:20:33] <Tecan> cooleo
[23:08:16] <Tecan> kasainho