#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-06-05

[01:15:41] <Rob__> heyyyyoooo
[01:15:58] <Rob__> Got my cpider couplers and my mill finally runs rite!
[01:16:03] <Rob__> YAHTZEEEEE!!!!
[01:18:09] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:01:31] <DJ9DJ> moin
[09:12:43] <DJ9DJ> re
[09:40:08] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[09:41:06] <mrsun> hmm i wonder how close i can get with the mill with indexing discs =)
[09:41:08] <mrsun> making them that is
[09:41:19] <mrsun> if they will be good enough to do toothed pulleys with later :P
[09:41:25] <mrsun> timing pulleys
[09:49:12] <IchGuckLive> mrsun: at what speed are you planing to move
[09:49:22] <mrsun> IchGuckLive, huh ? :)
[09:49:37] <IchGuckLive> indexing discs
[09:50:24] <mrsun> IchGuckLive, im meaning discs for indexing for making gears etc, i need to make some for some pulleys i need to make =)
[09:50:56] <IchGuckLive> ah arend there ready mady puleys
[09:51:28] <mrsun> IchGuckLive, yes, but i cant afford to buy it atm :/ and ive got aluminium .. and a lathe (to use as a shaper) =)
[09:51:37] <IchGuckLive> http://maedler.de/product/1643/zahnriemenraeder-zahnriemen-und-zubehoer
[09:52:03] <IchGuckLive> 15USD is not afortable
[09:52:34] <mrsun> heh
[09:52:42] <mrsun> that was half price compared to cncplus :P
[09:53:02] <IchGuckLive> most pulleys i use for the mills and i use alot . are below 15usd a pair
[09:53:55] <archivist_herron> mrsun, look at hpc gears website
[09:54:24] <IchGuckLive> at steppers T5,T10 is best to go then you get strait numbers in metric to go 400steps 4mm so precision
[09:54:33] <archivist_herron> http://www.hpcgears.com/products/pulleys_belts.htm
[09:55:38] <mrsun> double price compared to maedler.de :P
[09:55:49] <IchGuckLive> why are this things in the usa so expensive
[09:56:19] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: but at maedler T pulleys re NOT backlash free!
[09:56:28] <Loetmichel> only the HDT pulleys are!
[09:56:37] <IchGuckLive> agree
[09:57:03] <mrsun> Loetmichel, hmm they arent? :/
[09:57:10] <mrsun> in that case i need to make them myself anyways :P
[09:57:13] <Loetmichel> mrsun: and maedler.de is expensive
[09:57:25] <mrsun> Loetmichel, 4 euro for a pulley i do not find that expensive :P
[09:57:34] <mrsun> or 9 euro for a 48 tooth T5 profile pulley
[09:57:35] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: compare to the USA stuff its realy cheep
[09:57:45] <Loetmichel> mrsun: no, about 1/5 of a tooth "play" when the belt ois going 180° around the pulley
[09:58:01] <mrsun> Loetmichel, wtf
[09:58:30] <mrsun> tho ive found the same in some pulleys i bought in sweden before ... was thinking of having them for driving my cnc but then i saw the backlash .. horrible :/
[09:58:37] <mrsun> and they were expensive
[09:58:39] <mrsun> like hell
[09:58:45] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: my expiriance is that the backlash at 180deg is not a factor
[09:58:51] <mrsun> atleast when i make them myself i can control the quality of the fit
[09:58:59] <IchGuckLive> on the plasma i got 90deg and there it slips
[09:59:54] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/260348 my first test of making a T5 pulley =)
[10:00:15] <mrsun> bit bad picture :/
[10:00:32] <mrsun> tho it looks like it got some backlash that one also but looks better in real life :P
[10:00:38] <IchGuckLive> bit of to dept miling also
[10:00:50] <IchGuckLive> lots of space
[10:01:11] <syyl_ws_> to deep is not an issue
[10:01:26] <syyl_ws_> then the teeth center better in their groove
[10:04:40] <IchGuckLive> by till later
[10:09:22] <Loetmichel> mrsun: i made some pulleys myself: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7074
[10:09:42] <Loetmichel> (the lower ones out of FR2)
[10:12:43] <syyl_ws_> i made these for T5 profile
[10:12:43] <syyl_ws_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24396704/Deckel%20G2/2011-10-31_21-40-38_222.jpg
[10:12:56] <syyl_ws_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24396704/Deckel%20G2/2011-10-31_21-39-55_855.jpg
[10:13:07] <syyl_ws_> using a slitting saw and three cuts per groove
[10:13:46] <Loetmichel> nice. i used a 0,8mm 2 flute mill bit
[10:14:12] <Loetmichel> like at this gears: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11711
[10:14:18] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11702
[10:14:24] <mrsun> i use a ground hss lathe bit and shaping it using the lathe =)
[10:14:43] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11714
[10:15:06] <Loetmichel> mrsun: ouch, thats an awful lot of work
[10:15:11] <Loetmichel> did your arms hurt?
[10:15:22] <mrsun> Loetmichel, nah isnt so much when low tooth count =)
[10:15:35] <mrsun> just index, cut to almost final depth, reindex etc then go one revolution at final depth :P
[10:16:10] <mrsun> i want to do it using the mill but do not have the tooling for the mill .. indexing head etc, atm im just using a gear of the lathe for indexing in the lathe
[10:18:48] <syyl_ws_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQiB8H97EG4
[10:18:52] <Tecan> (bQiB8H97EG4) "Timing belt gears" by "Stefan Gotteswinter" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:05
[10:19:14] <syyl_ws_> yep, thats me ;)
[10:19:30] <mrsun> i also want a forth axis :P
[10:19:41] <syyl_ws_> go for it ;)
[10:19:51] <syyl_ws_> get a harmonic drive gearbox :D
[10:21:49] <syyl_ws_> but using the lathe as a shaper is also a nice attempt
[10:22:16] <syyl_ws_> i like it, when people use the lathe for everything
[10:22:23] <syyl_ws_> still king of machine tool :D
[10:24:18] <syyl_ws_> have to look after my shaper...seems it has finished its cut
[10:24:24] <syyl_ws_> only shaping air
[10:28:40] <syyl_ws_> and reset for another cut...
[10:28:58] <syyl_ws_> slowest machine i have
[10:29:02] <syyl_ws_> but gets the job done :D
[12:15:58] <mhaberler> "mare nostro"
[12:18:11] <IchGuckLive> Mare Nostrum (Latin for Our Sea) was a Roman name for the Mediterranean Sea. O.O
[12:24:53] <tjtr33> http://www.242movietv.com/video/mare-nostro ?n or is it raining that much :)
[12:29:13] <L84Supper> is everyone on vacation this week?
[12:50:30] <Gamma_X> Im here
[12:50:45] <Gamma_X> took a sebaticle....
[12:50:47] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:51:33] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: all systems go so no adjust
[12:52:12] <IchGuckLive> micges: water levels falling ?
[12:52:21] <micges> rising
[12:52:45] <micges> we are lower than czech republic
[12:53:03] <micges> when they drop water it will be bad
[12:54:42] <IchGuckLive> lots of evacuations here in germany
[12:55:04] <IchGuckLive> still a long way to go from prag 2 Hamburg
[12:55:18] <Gamma_X> I got evacc'd from a estate sale the other day.... was a 13 acre fire in colorado?! lol My luck that it was that small and got evacced... wtf
[12:55:39] <Gamma_X> IchGuckLive, you in germany?
[12:56:25] <IchGuckLive> yes
[12:56:34] <micges> IchGuckLive: somewhere water is higher than 16 years ago
[12:57:01] <IchGuckLive> B) Passau got higher then ever since 1501
[12:57:15] <Gamma_X> my buddy was there on vaca about a year ago, went to nerburgring and did a lap or 2 with some super porsche. He said germany is AWSOME! I plan on coming out there within a few years to check it out.
[12:57:19] <micges> eww
[12:57:29] <IchGuckLive> the meter has burst as nowone coudt beleve the numbers from 1501
[12:58:28] <IchGuckLive> so now the 2013 Mark is the new value 12,89meter normal shoudt be 2.6m
[12:59:26] <IchGuckLive> Gamma_X: no speedlimit on the main highway so go for a 300km/h turn
[12:59:41] <Gamma_X> lol this is true
[13:00:07] <Gamma_X> I did 203mph in north carolina once on my bike ( got rid of that not too long ago )
[13:00:47] <IchGuckLive> i got a big Mercedes and went direction luxembourg at 230km/h at the car meter and somewone pased me like im standing
[13:00:50] <Gamma_X> scared the shit outa me but I was like if I only get to do it once.... im doing it! lol
[13:01:09] <Gamma_X> IchGuckLive, what kind of benz?
[13:01:28] <IchGuckLive> E320Tcdi
[13:01:33] <Gamma_X> nice
[13:01:55] <Gamma_X> even been in an e55 ?
[13:01:59] <Gamma_X> ever*
[13:02:38] <IchGuckLive> im always stopped by the police if i cary my scale modell of the Uss Nimitz
[13:02:54] <Gamma_X> lol what?!
[13:03:31] <IchGuckLive> as its 2.76m long the frot goes towards the Amaturenbrett
[13:03:57] <IchGuckLive> dashboard
[13:03:58] <Gamma_X> thats a nice boat! I was on the USS enterprise for a bit but was mainly on the USNS Supply.
[13:04:01] <IchGuckLive> B)
[13:04:12] <Gamma_X> thats awsome though. must be one NICE model!
[13:04:24] <IchGuckLive> it is
[13:04:36] <Gamma_X> got lost inside the carrier for over 2 hrs! lol
[13:04:43] <IchGuckLive> if been 4times on the real carrier at la specia in italy
[13:05:00] <Gamma_X> there amazing!
[13:05:08] <IchGuckLive> Big
[13:05:32] <IchGuckLive> you dont feel as on a ship
[13:05:49] <Jymmm> Gamma_X: How did ya get lost? It has signs at every intersection =)
[13:05:51] <Gamma_X> All I was told was go over to the radio shack on the enterprise as we were both docked and then literally 2 and a half hours later I get there lol
[13:06:09] <Gamma_X> Jymmm, yeah not so much! lol
[13:06:34] <Jymmm> Gamma_X: No, it does and very detailed ones. Ya just gotta know HOW to read em =)
[13:06:44] <Gamma_X> I was a swab at the time
[13:07:00] <Jymmm> Gamma_X: Pfffff, excuses excuses ;)
[13:07:17] <Jymmm> Gamma_X: were you stationed aboard?
[13:07:21] <Gamma_X> reading bulk head numbers did not cross through my head lol and I still wouldnt have known how to read them
[13:07:38] <IchGuckLive> Gamma_X: did you make a real refuling exersice with 2 ships one on etch side
[13:07:53] <Gamma_X> Jymmm, yup all the time we did unreps.
[13:08:06] <micges> IchGuckLive: give me link with 12.86 rekord
[13:08:09] <Gamma_X> was a site to see!
[13:08:38] <Jymmm> Gamma_X: Shellback?
[13:08:48] <Gamma_X> dolphins usually joined us jumping through the wake both ships created in themiddle of them.
[13:09:29] <Gamma_X> Jymmm, unfortuanatly my captain was a fucking ass hole and was also a civilian and we were 15 miles from it and he would go.... so no... I am not :(
[13:09:47] <Gamma_X> Jymmm, you were in I can only assume?
[13:09:52] <Gamma_X> BM3?
[13:10:11] <Jymmm> Gamma_X: SERIOUSLY?! That's SO fucked up. No, just know of it.
[13:10:41] <Jymmm> and SO close too.
[13:10:56] <Gamma_X> we were also 2miles off coast of peru nd he made us turn around!!!! No stopping... blah blah blah
[13:11:05] <Gamma_X> headed back to va
[13:11:10] <IchGuckLive> micges: http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2013-06/hochwasser-halle-magdeburg-passau-merkel
[13:11:35] <IchGuckLive> in the watermark page its not there yet
[13:11:35] <Jymmm> Gamma_X: Sorry man.
[13:11:41] <Gamma_X> thanks! lol
[13:11:45] <Gamma_X> but that time is long gone.
[13:11:53] <micges> IchGuckLive: thanks
[13:12:03] <Jymmm> Gamma_X: It doens't matter, it's what it represented.
[13:12:12] <Gamma_X> true
[13:12:21] <IchGuckLive> micges: NP
[13:13:44] <andypugh> I have sailed across the date line, but not the equator.
[13:14:45] <IchGuckLive> micges: http://www.umwelt.sachsen.de/umwelt/wasser/7806.htm might be interesting for you
[13:15:33] <IchGuckLive> micges: but as it comes from your place to there it might be not
[13:16:13] <IchGuckLive> micges: http://www.pogodynka.pl/polska/podest/zlewnia_gornej_i_srodkowej_odry in poland language
[13:18:12] <IchGuckLive> ok im off
[13:18:23] <micges> see you
[13:18:39] <Jymmm> Gawd it's nice to be on a new computer =)
[13:20:21] <andypugh> iMac?
[13:20:34] <Jymmm> yeah
[13:20:40] <andypugh> 27"?
[13:20:46] <Jymmm> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-i5-2.5-21-inch-aluminum-mid-2011-thunderbolt-specs.html
[13:21:41] <andypugh> Aha, I have the 27" version. And I bought a Macbook Air on a whim this afternoon. (Well, I figured I would need some sort of PC in Wichita)
[13:22:54] <Jymmm> andypugh: Ah, well I have a 24" LCD so I just have to get the adapter and 16GB (2x8GB) ram for now.
[13:23:16] <Jymmm> andypugh: Will leave room for 32GB and an SSD later on.
[13:23:33] <andypugh> A friend has the 30" display. That's quite big.
[13:23:54] <Jymmm> andypugh: Yeah, it's nice
[13:23:57] <micges> for me 23" is too big
[13:24:26] <Jymmm> andypugh: But the 21" for $750 I cna't complain.
[13:32:33] <Jymmm> andypugh: I was able to migrate my Fusion2 xp VM over to Vbox last night =)
[13:49:45] <PetefromTn> afternoon all.
[13:56:27] <skunkworks_> PetefromTn, how is the indexing coming?
[13:56:39] <PetefromTn> indexing?
[13:56:46] <skunkworks_> orenting
[13:56:54] <PetefromTn> oh you mean my spindle.
[13:57:01] <PetefromTn> Yeah it is kinda on hold right now
[13:57:14] <PetefromTn> I am working on a project for a customer right now.
[13:58:03] <PetefromTn> I am needing to design and machine a mount for my new encoder and just have not gotten around to doing it.
[14:34:23] <Mjolinor> is it possible to microstep all stepper motors or are there some that will not?
[14:35:04] <andypugh> I don't think you can microstep variable-reluctance steppers.
[14:41:25] <archivist> Mjolinor, but would you want to
[14:56:14] <Daywalker198454> hi all
[14:57:05] <andypugh> Hi
[14:57:22] <Daywalker198454> i need some helpwith the mesa 5i20 and the 7i47
[14:57:54] <jdh> you might be in luck.
[14:58:02] <Daywalker198454> why?
[14:58:20] <Daywalker198454> u got the same config ... :P
[14:58:42] <jdh> nope, but someone might. Ask the question!
[15:00:37] <Daywalker198454> it is the first time i use mesa cards. used the parport .. now i want to know how to tell linuxcnc that there is a 7i47 doughtercard...
[15:00:59] <andypugh> You don't really need to.
[15:01:29] <andypugh> You need to load the hm2_pci driver with the correct firmware for the 7i47, and all the right pins will appear in HAL.
[15:02:12] <Daywalker198454> but how does linx cnc know that there is a doughtercard and on wich port it is on the 5i20
[15:02:29] <andypugh> You might find it easier to use the pncconf wizard, if you are not already doing so.
[15:03:01] <andypugh> LinuxCNC doesn't need to know where the card is. The Mesa card needs to know, but not LinuxCNC
[15:03:10] <Daywalker198454> used the pncconfig but the 7i47 is not there
[15:04:24] <andypugh> Good point, but it will let you choose the SVST2_4_7i47 firmware
[15:04:31] <Daywalker198454> how can i load the firmware and where can i get it?
[15:04:52] <Daywalker198454> hmmm
[15:06:07] <andypugh> It loks like that firmware requires the 7i47 to be on port 2 (the first one, they are numbered connector 2, 3,4)
[15:06:29] <Daywalker198454> ok.. got it right then.
[15:07:06] <Daywalker198454> i have a 7i37ta too where to plug this one then?
[15:07:22] <jdh> on the other port?
[15:07:38] <Daywalker198454> 3 or 4?
[15:07:52] <jdh> I have a 7i37ta & 7i47, but they are on a 7i43
[15:07:56] <andypugh> Actually, I think I am wrong.
[15:08:12] <andypugh> What does the 7i47 do?
[15:08:37] <jdh> mine does stepgen & encoder
[15:08:46] <Daywalker198454> it is a rs422 interface for encoderinput and step/dir output
[15:10:12] <andypugh> Oh, in that case it does go in C2, amd the first 7i37 would go on C3 to be used with GPIO 24 to 47
[15:12:02] <Daywalker198454> 7i47 on port2 and the 7i33ta on 3? right?
[15:12:16] <andypugh> Should work, yes.
[15:12:23] <Daywalker198454> ok...
[15:12:50] <andypugh> Compare the pncconf IO connector pages with the pinouts from the daughter-board manuals.
[15:13:08] <Daywalker198454> i think i can get the firmware from mesa hp right?? found an support softwarepacket
[15:14:58] <Daywalker198454> now how to get the firmware into thepncconfig?
[15:17:39] <Daywalker198454> jdh how did u get the correct firmware to pncconfig?
[15:18:00] <andypugh> Don't you already have it? What firmwares does pncconf let you choose?
[15:18:07] <jdh> heh, I don't recall. I think I just picked it.
[15:18:48] <jdh> isn't here a drop down box that lets you pick the bitfile?
[15:19:37] <andypugh> There is for me.
[15:19:42] <Daywalker198454> SV12;sv12im............ but nothing with7i47
[15:20:15] <andypugh> Which Linuxcnc version?
[15:20:31] <Daywalker198454> 2.5.2
[15:20:35] <Jymmm> andypugh: Vengeance will soon be mine!!! http://www.frys.com/product/7088001?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[15:20:41] <jdh> do you have /lib/firmware/hm2/5i20/SVST2_4_7I47.BIT
[15:20:56] <jdh> and the corresponding .xml?
[15:21:30] <Daywalker198454> i have to take a look at the downloaded paket from mesa
[15:22:31] <andypugh> No, it should just be in /lib/firmware/hm2
[15:22:59] <andypugh> I have a base LiveCD install here in a VM, and it is there.
[15:23:25] <andypugh> If you don't have it then sudo apt-get install hostmot2-firmware
[15:23:25] <Daywalker198454> in the packet i a svst2_4_7i47.bit and a... .pin
[15:24:06] <Daywalker198454> one moment ill try
[15:24:27] <jdh> doesn't pncconf need the xml?
[15:24:32] <andypugh> Yes
[15:24:46] <jdh> you should have the bitfile and the xml from the linuxcnc dist.
[15:25:23] <andypugh> I wish people would just configure by hand, it's so much less variable.
[15:26:35] <jdh> that requires some base knowledge (that I didn't have at the time)
[15:27:11] <andypugh> Yes, but pncconf tries to do a job the goalposts of which have really moved since it was started.
[15:28:19] <Daywalker198454> hmm i get an error.. pastepin.. one mom
[15:28:55] <jdh> I had to modify some other cards xml to get pncconf to be halfway useful with my 7i43 + 7i47
[15:29:23] <Daywalker198454> http://pastebin.com/vSitPHrK
[15:29:24] <jdh> then I did everything else by hand with a lot of pcw assisance
[15:29:34] <Daywalker198454> ahhh shit it is german... :P
[15:30:00] <andypugh> That's fine, I got the same message in english.
[15:30:04] <andypugh> <puzzled>
[15:30:16] <Daywalker198454> rofl ok...
[15:30:30] <Daywalker198454> nice translation ...:)
[15:32:26] <andypugh> System->administrator->synaptic package manager. The type hostmot2 in the search box.
[15:34:26] <Daywalker198454> ok
[15:35:43] <Daywalker198454> and now?
[15:36:04] <andypugh> Now you should be able to select the 7i47 firmware in pncconf
[15:36:30] <andypugh> (Well, assuming you actually installed the correct package)
[15:37:25] <Daywalker198454> there are just the firmwares as in pncc
[15:40:48] <andypugh> Did you install the hosmot2-firmware-5i20 package in the package manager?
[15:41:35] <Daywalker198454> mode a update yesterday
[15:42:17] <andypugh> That's not what I am asking.
[15:42:40] <andypugh> You just went to the package manager and searched for hostmot2. Did you actually install anything?
[15:43:09] <Daywalker198454> yes i did
[15:43:40] <andypugh> And do you now have the xml files in /lib/firmware/hme2/5i20?
[15:43:51] <andypugh> (hm2)
[15:43:59] <Daywalker198454> what paket sources is the hostmot2 fw from?
[15:44:21] <andypugh> hostmot2-firmware-5i20
[15:44:22] <Daywalker198454> no i dont have it
[15:45:12] <andypugh> Don't have what?
[15:45:43] <Daywalker198454> dont have the xml
[15:46:31] <Daywalker198454> ok i downloaded a zip file from mesa with all fw versions for the 5i20
[15:46:58] <andypugh> I just tested it. I deleted all the files, opened the package manager, installed the firmware, and there are the xml files.
[15:47:28] <andypugh> The XML files are LinuxCNC. Created for pncconf.
[15:47:43] <andypugh> Mesa don't make them.
[15:47:57] <Daywalker198454> ok ill try to delete all hostmot2 firmwares and reinstall it
[15:48:16] <Daywalker198454> with the paket manager
[15:48:29] <andypugh> might be easier just to sudo apt-get install hostmot2-firmware-all
[15:49:04] <andypugh> And you almost certainly have to restart pncconf.
[15:52:23] <Daywalker198454> sudo apt-get install hostmot2-firmware-all is done but a message said 0 installed 0 updated..
[15:52:57] <andypugh> I have no idea what is going on then.
[15:53:38] <Daywalker198454> ok... ill delete all fw now in the packetmanager
[15:53:45] <Daywalker198454> and reinstall it
[15:58:03] <andypugh> just type man hostmot2 and build the config by hand.
[15:58:57] <Daywalker198454> what version of the hostmot2 do u have? 0.8??
[15:59:12] <andypugh> I have all versions.
[15:59:38] <andypugh> Including versions that nobody else has ever seen
[16:00:30] <Daywalker198454> hmm or do i have to force install another version
[16:00:51] <andypugh> What version of LinuxCNC are you running?
[16:02:00] <Daywalker198454> 2.5.2
[16:02:13] <Daywalker198454> instaled the livecd
[16:02:26] <Daywalker198454> with v2.5.0
[16:02:30] <andypugh> And the hostmot2-firmware-all package doesn't install any xml files?
[16:02:45] <Daywalker198454> the updated to 2.52 over the paketmanager
[16:02:57] <Daywalker198454> one mom
[16:04:12] <GammaX-Shop> Hola
[16:05:53] <Daywalker198454> You are have no hostmot2 firmware downloaded in folder:
[16:05:55] <Daywalker198454> /lib/firmware/hm2/
[16:05:56] <Daywalker198454> PNCconf will use sample firmware data
[16:05:58] <Daywalker198454> live testing will not be possible
[16:06:17] <Daywalker198454> i get this error now.. but i installed all??
[16:07:28] <Mjolinor> archivist, I need to as one step is 1mm so that won't do, I need finer resolution
[16:07:58] <Mjolinor> and sorry for hte delay, she who must be obeyed "requested" my attention
[16:08:08] * archivist giggles
[16:08:13] <PetefromTn> Connor Hey man ya out ther?
[16:09:05] <PetefromTn> there LOL
[16:09:39] <archivist> Mjolinor, you may get problems as micro stepping can be inaccurate
[16:10:10] <archivist> but wire does self line up to an extent
[16:10:37] <Mjolinor> its not really a problem. even 1mm is OK but occasionally it does 2 steps for 1 mm and htat is not far short fo 2mm
[16:10:38] <andypugh> Daywalker198454: Did you use sudo?
[16:10:55] <Mjolinor> and when that happens my coil winder leaves a gap tehn overwinds
[16:10:56] <Daywalker198454> yes .. one more try...
[16:11:32] <andypugh> Go to the Synaptic Package Manager and try right-clicking to select "reinstall"
[16:11:40] <andypugh> It may think that you already have it.
[16:12:19] <Daywalker198454> no
[16:13:16] * JT-Shop wanders off to do nothing
[16:17:38] <Daywalker198454> i think the paketmanager has the wrong source to download from...
[16:19:19] <andypugh> Well, good luck. I need to close this window and concentrate
[16:19:51] <Daywalker198454> is the source http://http://linuxcnc.org (lucid) andlinuxcnc.org (quelltext)
[16:20:02] <Daywalker198454> thx for help... :(
[16:24:31] <micges> Daywalker198454: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:24:42] <micges> you must have these lines:
[16:24:44] <micges> deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/ lucid base linuxcnc2.5
[16:24:44] <micges> deb-src http://www.linuxcnc.org/ lucid base linuxcnc2.5
[16:31:07] <GammaX-Shop> ok flu cutter feeds and speeds?
[16:31:16] <GammaX-Shop> on aluminum 6061 t6?
[16:42:49] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[17:15:30] <Tom_itx> Gamma_X, http://www.onsrud.com/plusdocs/Doc/index.html?model.code=FeedSpeeds
[17:15:49] <Tom_itx> http://zero-divide.net/index.php?page=fswizard&shell_id=199&load_tool_id=27011
[17:15:51] <Tom_itx> is also good
[18:56:24] <eric_unterhausen> I tried building the beaglebone kernel on a 32 bit computer, and it worked fine. I guess there is some library I'm missing on this 64 bit computer and the error message is just too cryptic
[18:58:13] <pfred1> eric_unterhausen you cross compiled a kernel?
[19:22:30] <Jymmm> Muhahahahahahahaha.... 20GB of sheer goodness!!!!
[19:27:51] <pfred1> Jymmm I didn't know porn torrents had gotten quite that big
[19:28:21] <Jymmm> pfred1: Ram baby, ram =)
[19:28:51] <pfred1> Jymmm just watch the video and enjoy it i don't need a blow by blow over here
[19:29:03] <Jymmm> lmao
[19:29:51] <pfred1> oh you mean RAM
[19:30:01] <pfred1> I'm only using 556MB ATM
[19:30:47] <eric_unterhausen> pfred1: last I checked the kernel was still building, but it didn't fail immediately like it did on this comp
[19:30:50] <Jymmm> netflix running on the 2nd display at 2048, two VM's running, youtube, and a multitude of other things all at the same time, I'm loving it =)
[19:31:24] <pfred1> Jymmm how can you? that sounds rather distracting
[19:32:10] <Jymmm> pfred1: Just doing a crash and burn test.
[19:32:13] <pfred1> my system is running 217 tasks
[19:32:39] <Jymmm> pfred1: "officially" apple doesn't support 8GB sodimms
[19:32:50] <pfred1> eww Apple?
[19:33:03] <Jymmm> 21" imac
[19:33:18] <pfred1> I Paul how do you do?
[19:34:15] <Jymmm> Now running HD TV too
[19:34:37] <Jymmm> @18Mbps
[19:35:02] <eric_unterhausen> I keep forgetting that my garmin chokes once the d/l gets to be 220mb
[19:35:15] <pfred1> eric_unterhausen I've read about that
[19:35:24] <Jymmm> garmin gps?
[19:35:29] <eric_unterhausen> yes
[19:35:37] <pfred1> yes they seem to have some difficulties updating
[19:35:46] <eric_unterhausen> no, I'm just uploading a map
[19:35:56] <eric_unterhausen> onto an sd card
[19:36:00] <Jymmm> Oh oyu mean downloading the update friles from the website?
[19:36:04] <eric_unterhausen> so it's passing through
[19:36:05] <Jymmm> files*
[19:36:20] <pfred1> Jymmm that is the issue I read about
[19:36:22] <eric_unterhausen> not me, I'm just putting a map on the storage
[19:37:40] <pfred1> I keep wanting to buy a GPS but the horror stories online keep me from doing it
[19:37:40] <Jymmm> is the sd card in the gps ?
[19:38:02] <Jymmm> and connected via usb to the computer?
[19:38:10] <Jymmm> pfred1: horrors?
[19:38:30] <eric_unterhausen> yes, the sd card shows up as a storage device
[19:38:38] <eric_unterhausen> you can write 200mb onto it fine
[19:38:40] <pfred1> Jymmm yeah and oddly enough I seem to get by with a paper map anyways
[19:38:53] <Jymmm> pfred1: new phone instead?
[19:39:15] <pfred1> Jymmm I just got new phones but I'm not sure how calling soeone from home would help me out
[19:39:40] <Jymmm> pfred1: a smartphoen has gps built in
[19:40:00] <pfred1> I don't need a smart phone
[19:40:19] <pfred1> I've never owned a mobile phonei n my life
[19:40:26] <Jymmm> pfred1: cheaper than buying everything seperately
[19:40:26] <eric_unterhausen> getting lost looks a lot different when you are on a 350 mile bike ride
[19:40:40] <pfred1> Jymmm you're kidding right?
[19:40:47] <Jymmm> pfred1: Nope
[19:41:01] <pfred1> Jymmm what does your carrier charge you a month?
[19:41:13] <Jymmm> pfred1: Nothing I use prepaid
[19:41:17] <pfred1> it has to be at least $50
[19:41:20] <Jymmm> pfred1: they have offline maps =)
[19:41:38] <Jymmm> pfred1: I pay maybe $150 a YEAR
[19:41:52] <pfred1> well I can get a GPS for that
[19:42:02] <pfred1> and have it for as many years as i like
[19:42:05] <eric_unterhausen> I considered getting a smartphone after I got lost a couple of times last summer.
[19:42:06] <Jymmm> pfred1: that's phone service
[19:42:23] <Jymmm> pfred1: and oyu can't do that forever
[19:42:27] <eric_unterhausen> fortunately I was riding with someone that had an iphone and could figure out where we were supposed to be
[19:42:51] <eric_unterhausen> but buying a garmin was cheaper
[19:43:00] <pfred1> get a get a garmin
[19:43:15] <pfred1> I have a pretty good natural sense of direction I guess
[19:43:21] <Jymmm> Heh, my garmin was $600
[19:43:56] <Jymmm> but its a marine gps
[19:43:57] <eric_unterhausen> mine should have been, but they discontinued it and had a rebate
[19:44:17] <eric_unterhausen> went from $500 to $200 if they pay the rebate
[19:44:27] <pfred1> I run around almost every weekend to different sales and I seem to manage
[19:44:58] <eric_unterhausen> my car gps can be infuriating
[19:45:20] <Jymmm> heh
[19:45:22] <eric_unterhausen> I got off a freeway, they sent me east instead of north so I could get back on the freeway I just got off of
[19:45:22] <pfred1> well I've read a lot of GPS reviews and it doesn't seem limited to just yoru car
[19:45:44] <eric_unterhausen> east instead of west
[19:46:00] <eric_unterhausen> toyota gps has induced rage in more than one person though
[19:46:47] <pfred1> I bought a world globe from 1893 recently it is fascinating
[19:46:57] <pfred1> they still didn't quite know what the world looked like then
[19:47:34] <pfred1> instead of a penninsula Korea is a penninsula and a huge island on it
[19:48:47] <pfred1> I guess if it really was that way it'd have saved us all a war later
[19:50:19] <eric_unterhausen> I like old globes and maps
[19:50:42] <pfred1> eric_unterhausen they are time capsules
[19:51:07] <eric_unterhausen> globes are more interesting for some reason
[19:51:24] <pfred1> maps can be very detailed
[19:51:42] <pfred1> this is a very tiny globe
[19:51:53] <pfred1> I'd say no more than 6" in diameter
[19:52:12] <pfred1> apparently it is rather valuable too
[19:52:27] <pfred1> based on research I did on it online
[19:52:50] <pfred1> it is one of the first globes Rand McNally ever made
[19:53:32] <pfred1> when I picket it up I thought it was some of that Crate and Barrel decorator junk
[19:55:41] <pfred1> I bought this the same day http://i.imgur.com/kNTYdYY.jpg
[19:56:15] <pfred1> shame it was in the condition I found it in though
[19:56:54] <pfred1> if it'd have been in better condition it'd have been worth a pretty penny too as it is I'm happy with it though
[19:57:55] <pfred1> it looked like this when I got it http://i.imgur.com/1EwtEbG.jpg
[20:06:20] <pfred1> I'm getting close to finishing up my CNC machine
[20:12:32] <eric_unterhausen> pfred1, what kind of plane is that?
[20:12:38] <eric_unterhausen> other than one that has been dropped
[20:13:55] <eric_unterhausen> most people consider a plane like that to be an organ donor
[20:48:38] <eric_unterhausen> the problem with small motherboards is that my basement is messy enough that I can't find the one I bought for my mill...
[20:48:47] <Valen> heh
[20:53:23] <archivist> select * from basement where pile_contents like '%motherboard%'; a full table scan
[22:53:10] <Connor> PetefromTn: You there?
[22:59:22] <PetefromTn> Connor yeah man wazzup?
[23:31:57] <ssi> hey connor
[23:32:06] <Connor> ssi: heya
[23:32:11] <ssi> what's shakin
[23:32:14] <PetefromTn> heya SSI
[23:32:24] <ssi> hey pete
[23:32:45] <Connor> talking with PetefromTn about how to get my little 4" rotary table setup so we can use it to drill the 4 grub screw holes for those pulleys
[23:33:53] <ssi> gotcha
[23:34:19] <PetefromTn> I've been playing a bunch with Freecad. Beginning to really like it LOL
[23:34:38] <ssi> I haven't tried it
[23:35:03] <ssi> I need to get back on my mill conversion :/
[23:35:11] <PetefromTn> Its definitely got its bugs but once I figured out how to avoid them I can draw some cool stuff..
[23:35:11] <ssi> I put it down to go to san francisco and haven't touched it since :(
[23:35:27] <PetefromTn> Get er done DUde..
[23:35:51] <ssi> I need to make a Z axis ballnut mount
[23:35:55] <ssi> start putting the electronics together
[23:36:09] <ssi> I think I have everything I need, just need to do it
[23:38:01] <PetefromTn> http://snag.gy/OfN29.jpg
[23:38:08] <PetefromTn> Hows that look?
[23:38:16] <ssi> looks good
[23:38:32] <ssi> you have a roundover tool?
[23:39:05] <roycroft> you mean a file? :)
[23:39:09] <PetefromTn> http://snag.gy/gi1G5.jpg
[23:39:15] <PetefromTn> Here's another one..
[23:39:21] <ssi> no, I don't mean a file :P
[23:39:29] <roycroft> everyone has *that* roundover tool
[23:39:32] <PetefromTn> No but I will get one...
[23:39:44] <PetefromTn> Or use a router bit or something LOL. Done that before.
[23:39:50] <ssi> yea router bit would work fine
[23:39:54] <ssi> especilaly in aluminum
[23:40:07] <roycroft> my ears hurt thinking about that
[23:40:39] <PetefromTn> Well As crazy as it sounds I have done it several times without issue.
[23:40:55] <Valen> wood router bits can be good in Al
[23:40:55] <roycroft> i cut aluminium plate on a tablesaw all the time
[23:40:59] <Valen> they are good and sharp
[23:41:15] <ssi> yeah especially carbide router bits
[23:41:15] <Valen> they will dull off faster than a carbide designed for Al but eh
[23:41:17] <ssi> they work great
[23:41:28] <Valen> steel are sharper than carbide as a rule
[23:41:29] <PetefromTn> Now I tried to cut aluminum on my tablesaw, a commercial cabinet saw before. NOT HAPPY>
[23:41:43] <roycroft> use lots of wd-40
[23:41:45] <ssi> I've cut aluminum on table saws
[23:41:52] <roycroft> and dedicate a blade to the aluninium
[23:41:55] <ssi> it cuts fine, you just gotta worry about kickback
[23:41:58] <PetefromTn> Yeah it cut it but....
[23:42:04] <roycroft> feed really really slowly
[23:42:14] <ssi> I use a cheap miter saw with a carbide tooth blade in it for cutting aluminum angle and bar all the time
[23:42:16] <PetefromTn> It was also loud as shit...
[23:42:17] <roycroft> i use a carbide blade made for plastic laminate
[23:42:27] <ssi> well down at the hangar I do
[23:42:32] <ssi> at home I use my 7x12 bandsaw :P
[23:42:46] <Connor> I use my miter saw for cutting stock.. I use ear muffs and mask shield.. it throws so much swarf it's not even funny
[23:42:48] <PetefromTn> yeah man I just picked up a 7x12 a bit ago.
[23:42:53] <PetefromTn> It kicks ass...
[23:43:06] <roycroft> i got a 7x12 a couple years ago
[23:43:12] <PetefromTn> I just bought a pair of new lenox 8-12 variables and it is awesome.
[23:43:15] <roycroft> hf had one that was slightly damaged for $300
[23:43:25] <PetefromTn> Cuts steel like buttah.
[23:43:33] <roycroft> just a broken knob, and the table for vertical cutting was missing
[23:43:38] <PetefromTn> I bought my 7x12 used for less than $300.00
[23:43:39] <roycroft> i sold my 4x6 for $150
[23:43:57] <PetefromTn> I sold mine for $100.00 LOL the last week
[23:44:04] <ssi> my 4x6 has a broken casting
[23:44:09] <ssi> it's a piece of junk
[23:44:17] <roycroft> i thew away the blade that came with it and ordered some good blades from enco
[23:44:21] <PetefromTn> The 7x12 is ten times the saw the 4x6 is and not only in size
[23:44:27] <roycroft> and yes, it cuts steel like butter
[23:44:47] <roycroft> yeah, it's like an order of magnitude better easily
[23:44:49] <PetefromTn> Love the flood coolant onboard too..
[23:44:51] <roycroft> yup
[23:45:13] <roycroft> the hydraulic ram is a *huge* improvement
[23:45:20] <ssi> what do you guys run for coolant
[23:45:26] <roycroft> i know folks retrofit those to 4x6 saws
[23:45:37] <Valen> My dad just got a bigass vertical bandsaw
[23:45:39] <roycroft> i use a water-based coolant that i can't remember what it is
[23:45:43] <PetefromTn> I am about halfway done building that huge PIG roaster and it has cut a LOT of steel and the mitres are perfect and the cuts are square.
[23:45:48] <roycroft> i can go look - just a sec
[23:45:50] <Valen> taller than I am
[23:45:51] <ssi> I'm running straight oil in both my machines that use coolnat
[23:45:56] <ssi> it's messy
[23:45:57] <ssi> heh
[23:45:57] <PetefromTn> Mine came fulled with some kinda oil and it works great. Kinda messy tho.
[23:46:07] <PetefromTn> filled
[23:46:58] <roycroft> the stuff i used is called "rustlik"
[23:47:03] <roycroft> i've had good success with it
[23:47:25] <roycroft> stuff stays cool, no rust on the saw table or anything
[23:47:44] <PetefromTn> is that solubile oil or what?
[23:47:52] <roycroft> i'm not sure what's in it
[23:47:54] <roycroft> it's green :P
[23:48:01] <Valen> must be good
[23:48:19] <PetefromTn> yeah green is good. I like blue tho..
[23:48:46] <PetefromTn> The oil in my bandsaw is puke brown and looks nasty but it cuts like gangbusters.
[23:49:34] <Valen> we use the same stuff as we do on the mill
[23:49:35] <Valen> its white
[23:49:43] <Valen> but we do have "flood" coolant on both
[23:49:59] <Valen> well the oil is brown but it goes white in the water ;->
[23:50:06] <PetefromTn> If this oil goes bad thats what I am gonna do.
[23:50:14] <roycroft> i'm an old guy, and a machinist who is old enough to be my father and worked at boeing when they made propeller planes told me to use it
[23:50:20] <PetefromTn> Use the Masterchemical Trim Sol
[23:50:42] <ssi> I have some mobilcut stuff that's soluble, but I haven't even opened it
[23:50:57] <ssi> I ended up butting ten gallons of straight mobilmet in my HNC
[23:51:06] <ssi> and two gallons of some other straight oil in the bandsaw
[23:51:51] <roycroft> the concentrate contains water, polyalkylene glycol, diisopropanolamine, triethanolamine, and monoethanolamine
[23:52:21] <roycroft> i dilute 1:20 for the bandsaw
[23:52:48] <roycroft> it's supposed to be useful fro tapping/turning/drilling, but i use cutting oil for that
[23:53:43] <ssi> ok it's bedtime
[23:53:48] <ssi> talk to y'all tomorrow
[23:54:02] <PetefromTn> Cya dude.
[23:54:47] <roycroft> and the concenrate is actually more teal than green, so it should appeal to both the green crowd and the blue crowd
[23:55:04] <PetefromTn> BONUS!
[23:56:07] <roycroft> :)
[23:56:23] * Valen likes blue, the missus is green
[23:56:43] <roycroft> you're a smurf and she's a frog?
[23:56:51] <Valen> hah
[23:56:53] <roycroft> or is it vice versa?
[23:57:09] <Valen> frogs are her mothers thing
[23:57:13] <Valen> and I don't want to go there
[23:57:13] <PetefromTn> KERMIT=Valen
[23:58:43] <Valen> PetefromTn: great you just turned kermit into a bearded fat guy, "wont somebody please think of the children"
[23:59:15] <PetefromTn> ;)
[23:59:26] <PetefromTn> Kids are watching barney...
[23:59:37] <Valen> mine dont
[23:59:42] <Valen> they prefer cats
[23:59:43] <Valen> or mice
[23:59:46] <PetefromTn> neither do mine...thank god.
[23:59:49] <Valen> rabbits are a fave