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[01:03:51] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:11:48] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:41:18] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/E368WTW.jpg
[02:41:36] <Andy1978> Tecan: Laser?
[02:41:52] <Tecan> ya if you look at the bottom i was going too slow and she sliced through
[02:42:07] <Andy1978> n1
[04:07:19] <Degot> Hi, Mighty ALL. Sorry for offtopic. In KUKA robots (KR 180 2900 prime), How do they transfer rotation of 3 Servos to the head ? There is not enough space for that.
[04:13:31] <Andy1978> not enough space?
[04:15:33] <DJ9DJ> oh. hi Andy1978
[04:16:09] * DJ9DJ has a deja-vu ;)
[04:16:44] <Andy1978> :-D
[05:50:38] <carper64_lb> morning gents
[06:01:16] <jthornton> mornin
[06:03:10] <Andy1978> hey, good mordning
[06:03:14] <Andy1978> äh, morning
[07:01:19] <carper64_lb> id rather be sorting out my linuxcnc than the task iam on with now setting up my server wth vmware and server 2012
[07:39:08] <Loetmichel> *grrr* ... did i mentoin that my boss forgets to think sometimes? two weeks ago we got 15 pelicases and the watercuit foam for it... boss put the foam inside the cases and closes them... now, tow weeks later we wanted to fit the parts inside the cases... ever got a nose full of water, trapped 2 weeks in an airtight casing?
[07:46:43] <skunkworks> eww
[10:05:40] <DJ9DJ> re
[11:03:45] <Icekiller> Hi guys i remember seeing a drawing for tr12x3 milled at both ends for use with 608zz
[11:03:49] <Icekiller> anyone have the link?
[11:04:43] <Icekiller> im wndering if both ends should just be milled down to 8mm the backend being 8mm long, and frontend 3cm
[11:48:16] <Loetmichel> hrhr, german flood...
http://narf-archive.com/pix/fd820e775b232470051ffcdd93c84ded78c6f839.jpeg
[11:48:58] <Loetmichel> <- glad that he lives about 30 meters above the river "main"s level
[11:54:06] <Mjolinor> don't open the window
[11:54:49] <Loetmichel> better not ;-)
[11:55:26] <Loetmichel> i hope for the photographer that his window gaskets and wallmount of the window holds against the water pressure.
[11:55:49] <Loetmichel> s/photographer/ unknown photographer
[11:57:15] <Loetmichel> but courious/nosy swan, isnt it?
[11:57:27] <Loetmichel> curious
[11:58:11] <Mjolinor> probably looking at the reflection wondering whether to attack or not
[12:00:03] <Loetmichel> better not... i diont think the 4mm glass wil hold the water AND a swans beak ;-)
[12:00:06] <Loetmichel> +l
[12:02:42] <archivist> gimme some bread he says
[12:05:24] <tjtr33> for Witchita: look at the 'Fishin Mobile Home Park" to rent a mobile for the fest :) just walking distance to MPM plus fishin!
[12:05:44] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[12:26:50] <IchGuckLive> !seen mices
[12:26:50] <the_wench> Never heard of the entity mices you ask for
[12:27:47] <archivist> !seen micges
[12:27:47] <the_wench> last seen in 2013-06-04 00:34:44GMT 17:39:04 ago, saying Quit: Leaving
[12:27:55] <archivist> spelling matters :)
[12:28:04] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:28:33] <IchGuckLive> so he is still on power at that water height mark
[12:39:19] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:39:29] <IchGuckLive> micges: water ok
[12:39:52] <micges> IchGuckLive: good to hear
[12:40:13] <IchGuckLive> you not me
[12:40:39] <IchGuckLive> wee have been out today for planting corn to get the solar power !
[12:41:43] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Did you make sure it's not GMO corn?
[12:42:04] <IchGuckLive> yes not alowed in germany genetics
[12:45:30] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Heh, it's banned in all of EU, Chile, and a few other coutnries
[12:46:07] <Jymmm> Even China has a semi-ban on it
[12:46:30] <Jymmm> (regulated import with approval)
[12:46:33] <IchGuckLive> dident know that ists a shame that we burn up the Best USA corn in our energie factories and the USA eats the Genetic ones
[12:47:04] <IchGuckLive> on there BBq
[12:47:09] <Jymmm> That's a great place for it, burned
[12:47:19] <Jymmm> burn it all
[12:47:22] <IchGuckLive> the good stuff
[12:47:40] <Jymmm> It's GMO, that's the WORSE Stuff imo
[12:48:12] <IchGuckLive> yes but the USA eats it and we in europ burn the genetic free
[12:48:28] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:48:36] <Jymmm> ah
[12:48:52] <Jymmm> Yep, it sucks.
[12:48:59] <Jymmm> Blame Monsanto.
[12:49:05] <IchGuckLive> after 3 days of no raiun here all farmers out lots of big realy big mashines in the fields
[12:49:24] <IchGuckLive> monsanto feats the world so no blame on them
[12:49:32] <IchGuckLive> they try the best they can
[12:49:36] <Jymmm> Monsanto created Agent Orange, DDT, Round Up, and GMO Crops
[12:49:55] <IchGuckLive> agree but all at the needed time
[12:50:10] <Jymmm> At what cost?
[12:50:16] <IchGuckLive> lives
[12:50:27] <Jymmm> The reason Chile banned it is becasue of birth defects
[12:50:29] <IchGuckLive> childrens health
[12:50:45] <Jymmm> exactly
[12:51:08] <Jymmm> Not worth the price imo
[12:51:10] <IchGuckLive> on the other side is the increase of 255 on the same Field
[12:51:18] <Jymmm> Just becasue you can, doens't mean you should
[12:51:20] <IchGuckLive> 25%
[12:52:17] <IchGuckLive> we will see more on the african continent as the arabs take over and doesent care on that
[12:52:51] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: They have money to burn, so they actually might care.
[12:55:34] <andypugh> Chile blames GMO corn for birth defects? That's just bizarre.
[12:55:56] <Jymmm> andypugh: 10 year study actually.
[12:56:56] <Jymmm> andypugh: Monsanto "forced" them to use 5x the amount of RoundUp without protective measures and it seeped into the water system.
[12:57:28] <andypugh> Ah, OK. They are blaming weedkiller, not GMO corn then?
[12:58:01] <Jymmm> andypugh: Primarily RoundUp, but they are starting to discover bad traits on GMO too
[12:58:11] <Mjolinor> if they need weedkiller with genetically modified corn then they didn't modify it correctly
[12:59:02] <andypugh> So, deliberately adding the genetic traits you want is somehow more dangerous than adding it by a random process of breeding and hoping?
[12:59:03] <Jymmm> Mjolinor: weeds and pestisidces
[12:59:13] <jdh> vaccines are bad too
[12:59:23] <jdh> better to pray away the disease!
[12:59:52] <andypugh> No, that won't work, chemtrails block prayers!
[13:00:14] <IchGuckLive> http://focusonthehorn.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/saudi_star_agri_mat.jpg?w=400&h=190
[13:00:19] <jdh> should probably ban higher education also
[13:00:24] <IchGuckLive> they got money and africa the land !
[13:00:39] <Jymmm> andypugh: genetic alternations is not the same as just adding this + that though.
[13:00:46] <IchGuckLive> thats not farming thats industrial
[13:01:41] <andypugh> Jymmm: I am dropping the subject.
[13:01:59] <Jymmm> andypugh: =)
[13:03:07] <IchGuckLive> B)
[13:04:09] <Jymmm> andypugh: FWIW... California had a bill that failed to label all GMO food stuffs. Monsanto had put up a $4M campaign to prevent it from passing. Food for thought.
[13:13:49] <IchGuckLive> lots of action
[13:33:20] <IchGuckLive> By
[14:08:11] <ughhhhh> So i know i had this figured out before, but it's been so long i forgot how i fixed it. When i touch off a tool i'm having issues touching off work offsets in my lathe.
[14:08:30] <ughhhhh> opps that came out wrong
[14:08:45] <JT-Shop> didn't make any sense at all
[14:08:52] <ughhhhh> i'm having issues touching off work offsets in my lathe
[14:09:09] <ughhhhh> the sentence i started didnt fully delete
[14:09:27] <Mjolinor> blame bill gates
[14:10:48] <ughhhhh> when i touch off a work offset with tool 3 in g54, and touch off tool 5's tool offsets in g54, then i use tool 3 to touch off work offset 59.3, tool 5 isn't even in the same ballpark in g59.3]
[14:11:37] <ughhhhh> tool 3 and 5 should be relative to each other, based on the tool offsets, no matter what work offset i use
[14:12:28] <ughhhhh> i had this problem a long time ago, but i now have a fresh install and i dont remember how i fixed it
[14:13:51] <ughhhhh> i am now running 2.5
[14:17:23] <ughhhhh> that make sense at all?
[14:19:22] <JT-Shop> are you using touch off to fixture to set up your tools?
[14:20:34] <ughhhhh> JT-Shop: no idea? i'm using the tool touch off in the drop down menu in the touch off box
[14:23:05] <JT-Shop> see the menu items
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_menu_items
[14:26:45] <ughhhhh> i need it to be relative to the work offset (g54, g57, etc)
[14:29:10] <JT-Shop> was that a question?
[14:29:49] <Tom_shop> if set to workpiece isn't selected it can mess you up. i know it did me on my mill
[14:30:37] <Tom_shop> set all the tools to one point, then touchoff each fixture offset to the currently selected tool
[14:30:38] <ughhhhh> JT-Shop: im afraid i am confused.
[14:31:21] <JT-Shop> tell us what your trying to do being as descriptive as possible
[14:31:21] <ughhhhh> i want all my tool offsets relative to each other, no matter what work offset i use
[14:31:27] <Tom_shop> with 'Machine -> touchoff to workpiece' selected
[14:31:29] <JT-Shop> ok
[14:32:02] <JT-Shop> when you touch off the Z to something like your spindle face make sure touch off to fixture is checked
[14:32:09] <ughhhhh> i dont want tool 5 to suddenly be 3 inches off from tool 3 when i switch from g54 to g59.3
[14:32:23] <JT-Shop> next take one tool and touch off to the material making sure touch off to material is checked
[14:33:00] <ughhhhh> JT-Shop: is this new? i've never had to do that before
[14:33:11] <ughhhhh> i just upgraded from 2.4 to 2.5
[14:33:12] <JT-Shop> 2.5 yes
[14:33:16] <ughhhhh> ahhhhh
[14:33:21] <JT-Shop> would you like to see a tutorial?
[14:33:25] <Tom_shop> splains alot
[14:33:49] <ssi> anyone know if it's possible to get aluminum tooling plate in 7/8" thicknesses?
[14:33:54] <ughhhhh> JT-Shop: i wasnt aware there was a change, that's the issue
[14:34:25] <ughhhhh> JT-Shop: so if i set it to touch off workpiece, it will work the same as the old version?
[14:34:31] <JT-Shop> prior to the change you had to select an unused coordinate system your self so old habits if good would still work
[14:34:59] <JT-Shop> yes
[14:35:08] <ughhhhh> oh it was set to touch off to workpiece
[14:38:19] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, can't you just leave it set on 'touchoff to workpiece' even when setting the tools?
[14:40:12] <JT-Shop> you can do anything you like
[14:40:55] <JT-Shop> I assume that was added to make life easier when you have presettable tools
[14:42:11] <Tom_itx> well, i just wasn't sure what 'touchoff to fixture' was for
[14:42:24] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_menu_items
[14:42:27] <Tom_itx> i know it messed me up a time or two
[14:42:52] <JT-Shop> that's why I have pyvcp buttons for touch off
[14:43:10] <Tom_itx> for g54 etc?
[14:43:24] <JT-Shop> tool touch off
[14:43:32] <Tom_itx> i set up buttons for G54 x y z
[14:45:22] <Tom_itx> typo
[14:45:36] <Tom_itx> relative to the ninth (G59.3)
[15:07:45] <ughhhhh> ok this is weird... i have a g43h5 in my program, however it seems to be ignoring it
[15:08:13] <ughhhhh> if i hit escape to end the program and mdi g43h5, it goes to the proper offset
[15:08:25] <ughhhhh> maybe thats my issue
[15:09:46] <JT-Shop> I never use G43 without a tool change
[15:10:11] <ughhhhh> there is a tool change on the previous line
[15:10:21] <ughhhhh> but regardless, it always worked fine before
[15:11:30] <ughhhhh> i use g43 all the time for gang tooling, without a toolchange
[15:11:48] <ughhhhh> i'll have 3 tool offsets for the same tool position on the turret
[15:12:49] <ughhhhh> not sure why it's choosing to ignore the g43 durring the program
[15:13:14] <ughhhhh> if i do a g43h5 in mdi before i run that part of the program, it's fine
[15:13:16] <JT-Shop> if it worked fine before it should still work fine
[15:13:33] <ughhhhh> fresh install, switched to 2.5
[15:13:33] <JT-Shop> are you doing a run from line?
[15:13:50] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> if it worked fine before it should still work fine
[15:14:42] <JT-Shop> however I've seen strange things when hitting esc during a program
[15:14:58] <JT-Shop> with offsets
[15:15:00] <ughhhhh> JT-Shop: but it isnt working fine now. no i'm not doing a run from line at first. then when it almost crashes the tool, i hit escape, then do mdi g43h5, then run from line
[15:15:03] <JT-Shop> and .....
[15:15:40] <ughhhhh> i tried running the program from the beginning several times, it is ignoring the g43h5
[15:16:00] <JT-Shop> I've seen that before hitting esc and the offset adds to the current offset
[15:16:48] <ughhhhh> i tried running the whole program before ever hitting escape. it is not changing the offset, it is just ignoring the g43h5
[15:17:05] <ughhhhh> or something is canceling it
[15:18:02] <JT-Shop> I one sub that uses G10 L20 P1 Z0.000 in a if condition and if I hit esc the offset gets applied somehow even though I've not reached that line. Rebooting is the only fix for me
[15:18:55] <ughhhhh> http://pastebin.com/TWs47i0L
[15:19:04] <ughhhhh> second tool is where the issue is
[15:29:20] <JT-Shop> reboot and run from the start and see if it runs correctly
[15:39:00] <JT-Shop> someone fix my VMC it used to work fine!
[15:40:23] <ughhhhh> the only thing that changed was the upgrade.
[15:41:30] <ughhhhh> and rebooting didnt work.
[15:42:22] <archivist> JT-Shop, you know how to do that with linuxcnc :)
[15:43:36] <ughhhhh> weird, putting the g43h5 before the toolchange worked
[15:45:06] <ughhhhh> can anyone see a reason why my g43h5 cannot be where it is in my program? if not, i'd say that's a glitch
[15:45:08] <JT-Shop> I usually just have Tn M6 G43
[15:45:15] <ughhhhh> http://pastebin.com/TWs47i0L
[15:45:31] <JT-Shop> archivist: linuxcnc can't fix my drive
[15:45:49] <archivist> how did you break it
[15:46:06] <archivist> that phase conversion ?
[15:46:07] <ughhhhh> JT-Shop: ive never needed to do that before. and also, the previous tool and offset worked fine the way i had it
[15:46:14] <JT-Shop> if it would break I could find the burnt smell and fix it
[15:46:37] <JT-Shop> archivist: yep RPC
[15:47:50] <JT-Shop> I don't know why it works one way or another, I just know how it is supposed to work according to the manual
[15:48:26] <ughhhhh> JT-Shop: well that isnt how the emc2 post is for mastercam
[15:48:50] <JT-Shop> I don't use mastercam
[15:49:28] <ughhhhh> that's fine, i'm just saying i don't think it's incorrect
[15:49:40] <JT-Shop> Tn M6 G43 ?
[15:50:54] <JT-Shop> never mind I didn't read your statement correctly
[15:51:53] <archivist> why do you put h5 as I dont see that on
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G43,-G49:-Tool
[15:51:54] <JT-Shop> G43 enables tool length compensation. G43 changes subsequent motions by offsetting the Z and/or X coordinates by the length of the tool. G43 does not cause any motion. The next time a compensated axis is moved, that axis’s endpoint is the compensated location.
[15:52:18] <JT-Shop> H is optional and not needed if your using the currently loaded tool
[15:52:29] <JT-Shop> G43 without an H word uses the currently loaded tool from the last Tn M6.
[15:52:30] <ughhhhh> i have gang tooling on my lathe. i use multiple tool offsets with the same tool number. I do not put in a t n m6 every time i change tool offsets, going back to the toolchange position for that is a waste of time
[15:53:33] <ughhhhh> the way i have done it worked fine for years. All i'm saying is having the g43h5 on a different line isnt the issue. there is another problem. it could still be with my program, it could be a glitch.
[15:53:40] <JT-Shop> right G43Hn should just work
[15:53:41] <cradek> it's extremely hard to look at your program and description and understand what (if anything) is wrong
[15:54:06] <ughhhhh> cradek: it is ignoring the g43h5 in my program for some reason
[15:54:17] <cradek> if you can narrow it down to the simplest possible gcode that you think behaves incorrectly, you could share that along with your tool table, along with your description of what you think should happen vs what you see happen
[15:54:39] <cradek> then any of us can use that to see it for ourselves
[15:54:42] <ughhhhh> however, if i move the g43h5 before the comment just before the toolchange to t5, it works fine
[15:55:26] <ughhhhh> or if i enter g43h5 in mdi before i start the program at the first line for that tool
[15:56:59] <ughhhhh> so to make it more clear, if i move the g43h5 from line 88 to just after line 82, it works fine. however if it is anywhere after line 85, it does not
[16:05:52] <ughhhhh> i take that back, it isnt working there either
[16:07:28] <archivist> have you just got some offsets wrong, is it only that line having problems as I see many other similar lines in the code
[16:08:25] <ughhhhh> if i had the offsets wrong, why would it work fine if i enver the g43h5 in mdi?
[16:09:34] <andypugh> This is rather lovely:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rivett-608-for-parts-or-restoration-/321137853023
[16:10:21] <andypugh> Local to me, too.
[16:10:26] <cradek> ughhhhh: my suggestion about how to narrow down and possibly report the problem is the methodical way to answer all these questions
[16:11:10] <jdh> andypugh: what is that offset looking collet thing for?
[16:11:43] <andypugh> It's an adjustable-height toolholder of some sort.
[16:13:02] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/rivett/page2.html
[16:13:47] <andypugh> Rivetts really were very pretty machines.
[16:14:37] <andypugh> But, as fas as I can see, pretty much impossible t CNC.
[16:15:07] <andypugh> (though that one, missing parts, would be a good candidate)
[16:20:13] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:38:06] <Mjolinor> you can't refer to a lathe as "pretty", it's just not right
[16:43:49] <andypugh> Did you look at the lathes.co.uk page?
[16:43:58] <Mjolinor> yup
[16:44:04] <andypugh> Everything that isn't frosted is polished.
[16:50:30] <t12_> hah
[16:50:33] <t12_> i didnt know proxxon was toyo
