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[00:44:58] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:08:43] <gammax-Laptop1> holaaaa
[01:13:47] <gammax-Laptop1> anyone know the name of the electrical device than can open and close a pneumatic cylinder?
[01:16:04] <KimK> A (pneumatic) solenoid valve? Will that do? There are several types available, depending on your cylinder and what you want to do.
[01:18:13] <gammax-Laptop1> KimK, got a hardinge varigrip that has 2 ports on it... need to operate that bad boy...
[01:18:30] <gammax-Laptop1> want it electronicly done so when I convert to linuxcnc it will be automatic.
[01:19:07] <KimK> I don't know the "varigrip", is this some kind of pneumatic collet closer?
[01:19:18] <gammax-Laptop1> yup
[01:19:24] <gammax-Laptop1> holds 5c collets in lathe.
[01:19:25] <Loetmichel> so its a 2 way acting cylinder without a spring?
[01:19:49] <gammax-Laptop1> as far as I know... yet
[01:19:54] <gammax-Laptop1> yes*
[01:20:08] <Loetmichel> i.E. on port "opens" the collet, one port "closes" it?
[01:20:26] <gammax-Laptop1> I want to say yes
[01:20:37] <Loetmichel> then you need something calles "3/2 wege Magnetventil" in german
[01:20:39] <gammax-Laptop1> id be confused on why else there are 2 ports
[01:20:43] <KimK> I'd use a 5-port valve, that way you end up with reversible A and B outputs so you can have it the "right" way.
[01:21:07] <Loetmichel> something like 3/2 ways solenoid valve in english i would think
[01:21:32] <gammax-Laptop1> 3/2... hmmm
[01:21:34] <KimK> One input/pressure, A & B outputs, and two exhausts (it turns out to be easier to build the valve that way.
[01:22:54] <Loetmichel> KimK: yeah, thats the same that are called 3/2 ways in german
[01:23:39] <Loetmichel> oh, have to go... had to be in the company since 9 minutes, still sitting at home in a morning gown.... :-(
[01:24:29] <KimK> Loetmichel: OK, good. And if they are "2-position, 4-way" valves (only one exhaust port) that's OK too.
[01:24:40] <KimK> Loetmichel: OK, thanks, see you next time!
[01:24:43] <KimK> Bye
[01:25:40] <gammax-Laptop1> Im still a little confused not gonna lie haha
[01:26:34] <KimK> gammax-Laptop1: No problem, you can see a bunch of them at
http://www.grainger.com , just go there and pick (left column): Home / Pneumatics / Valves / Solenoid Air Control Valves
[01:28:31] <KimK> You'll want 2-position (because you only need "clamp" and "unclamp") and either 4-way (4-connections) or 5-way (5-connections). You'll only have 3 "real" connections anyway, you'll have either 1 or 2 exhaust ports to make up the total.
[01:32:06] <KimK> 2-position means the valve can only select all the way "in" or all the way "out" (assuming it's a conventional cylinder). Sometimes you need to be able to stop somewhere in-between, that's a 3-position. There are several types of those too.
[01:43:08] <KimK> You'll also want to decide what kind of control voltage you want for your solenoid (coil). You'll probably end up with one of: 24V DC (anywhere), 120V AC (US), or 240V AC (Europe?, Australia?). OK, good luck, I've got to go. If you have more questions just post, and I or someone else will scroll back and answer you later. But please be patient.
[01:44:54] <KimK> Goodnight
[01:48:05] <KimK> Oh, you could probably browse Automation Direct too:
http://www.automationdirect.com/ or see their assortment at:
http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Valves_-a-_Accessories/Solenoid_Air_Valves_-a-_Accessories
[01:48:38] <gammax-Laptop1> KimK, which one would u take?
[01:48:41] <gammax-Laptop1> buy*
[01:48:55] <KimK> Their prices are probably better, though you may (or may not) have to buy what you want in pieces.
[01:49:09] <gammax-Laptop1> KimK, which one would u buy?
[01:49:17] <KimK> Ha, I would take the cheapest one that will get the job done.
[01:51:52] <KimK> You'll probably have to buy one or two exhaust "mufflers" separately. Plus whatever hose connectors you need. I like to work with the nylon "push-in" hose and quick-lock or Presto-lok(tm) or whatever they call it. But if you want regular rubber (or plastic?) air hose and hose clamps, that's OK too.
[01:52:00] <gammax-Laptop1> KimK, send me link please? lol too many to even look at
[01:52:47] <KimK> Usually the solenoid valves are offered in different plumbing thread connections, 1/4" NPT female is pretty popular.
[01:53:11] <KimK> Oh, NPT, are you in the US or are you somewhere else?
[01:53:29] <gammax-Laptop1> us
[01:53:35] <gammax-Laptop1> there not 1/4 though...
[01:53:42] <gammax-Laptop1> smaller than that it seams...
[01:53:47] <gammax-Laptop1> I believe
[01:54:11] <KimK> OK, then some size of NPT should work fine for your valve.
[01:55:18] <gammax-Laptop1> so like this?
http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Valves_-a-_Accessories/Solenoid_Air_Valves_-a-_Accessories/5-port_(4-way),_2-pos.,_Body_Ported_-z-_Manifold_(AVS-5,AM_Series)/AVS-5221-24D
[01:56:27] <KimK> You just need to figure out (start at the beginning) how to put the fittings that you want on your hardinge air chuck. Then what kind of fittings would those be? Then what kind of hoses go on those fittings? What kind of fittings will it take to connect to your solenoid valve, etc.
[01:56:44] <KimK> Looking now...
[01:57:20] <gammax-Laptop1> id love to use that push lock tubing, i can take care of that, i just need to know about the cyl
[01:58:17] <KimK> For some reason your link came thru broken after ...5-port_ That's where it ends.
[01:59:35] <gammax-Laptop1> KimK, check pm maby that came through?
[02:00:52] <KimK> Still came through broken, but on the "clean" page it was easier to do a normal text copy to scrape it. That worked, looking at it now...
[02:01:04] <gammax-Laptop1> ok
[02:01:31] <KimK> s/it was easier/it occurred to me/
[02:02:57] <gammax-Laptop1> KimK, got kicked off for a sec u say anyting?
[02:04:14] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:06:35] <KimK> gammax-Laptop1: You don't have to have double solenoids (two coils), one coil with spring return would be enough for what you're doing. And the 1/8" NPT will give you small hoses, I wouldn't go below 1/4 unless your hardinge forces you to. Bigger hoses, more air flow, faster clamp and unclamp times. No, you didn't miss anything.
[02:08:45] <gammax-Laptop1> hmmm
[02:11:50] <KimK> You can use double solenoids if you want to though. If you do, then the valve will stay in the position it was last put in (in the event of loss of power, etc., so with a lathe there might be advantages to that too. For safety reasons maybe make "clamp" the normal (spring-return) state?. But now I've got to go. If you're still stumped later, post your Q's. I'll scroll back tomorrow (well, today now, lol) and see if you got an answer. Goo
[02:11:51] <KimK> dnight again.
[02:12:01] <KimK> Oops, flooding, sorry.
[02:15:08] <KimK> OK, one more link, maybe this (these) will help:
http://support.automationdirect.com/faq/showfaq.php?id=1349
[02:19:22] <gammax-Laptop1> lol thanks KimK
[05:22:13] <Mjolinor> memory failing. Am I correct in thinking that the picture in linuxCNC used to autotrack with the cutter. I can move it about but I am sure that at one stage it used to track but I can't make it anymore. Probably remembering it wrong
[08:40:37] <JT-Shop> 5 more posts...
[09:07:47] <DJ9DJ_> re
[09:28:35] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, fence or forum posts?
[09:29:25] <Tom_itx> the day the internet died
[09:33:26] <JT-Shop> lol
[09:34:01] <Tom_itx> <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, fence or forum posts?
[09:34:07] <Tom_itx> then you left
[09:34:14] <JT-Shop> forum
[09:34:30] <Tom_itx> never can tell for sure about you :)
[09:34:41] <JT-Shop> me neither
[09:35:12] <JT-Shop> the weather guys downgraded us to 30% today but still have 70% for tonight and Saturday
[09:35:42] <Tom_itx> sunny here so far
[09:35:54] <Tom_itx> that could change in 20 min
[09:36:49] <JT-Shop> still cloudy here
[09:36:53] <Tom_itx> Ok got it again though
[09:37:07] <Tom_itx> http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?region=default
[09:37:12] <Tom_itx> clear skies on the way for you
[09:42:48] <skunkworks> it has been storming every day around here.
[09:44:52] <skunkworks> overturned some rv's near here..
[09:45:45] <JT-Shop> ouch
[09:45:53] <Tom_itx> that's an average windy day here
[09:46:46] <skunkworks> heh
[09:46:49] <skunkworks> chicago?
[09:46:59] <skunkworks> the windy city..
[09:46:59] <Tom_itx> i watch nascar from time to time and they always complain when they come to the KC track because of the wind
[09:47:02] <Tom_itx> no
[09:47:04] <Tom_itx> wichita
[09:47:15] <skunkworks> oh - we get to meet?
[09:47:29] <Tom_itx> i'll show friday possibly
[09:47:32] <skunkworks> (have we met?)
[09:47:36] <Tom_itx> no
[09:47:38] <skunkworks> ok
[09:47:40] <Tom_itx> never been to one
[09:47:46] <Tom_itx> what about U JT-Shop?
[09:47:47] <skunkworks> galseberg?
[09:48:30] <JT-Shop> unknown at this time
[09:50:41] <skunkworks> we just drove 12 hours strait at night. (so the squirt would sleep through..) worked well. (went to montana...)
[09:50:49] <skunkworks> and back
[09:51:04] <skunkworks> I would not be a good truck driver..
[09:51:32] <Tom_itx> heh
[09:52:29] <Tom_itx> i don't care to travel much but i've done NC a couple times straight thru (19 hrs)
[09:52:39] <Tom_itx> and Savanna a couple
[09:52:43] <Tom_itx> not quite as bad
[09:53:21] <Tom_itx> except they swore it was always calm there save for hurricane season and it was as windy as it is here
[09:54:02] <Tom_itx> of cours we got blamed for bringing it
[09:54:07] <skunkworks> heh
[09:57:23] <skunkworks> wichita isn't as far from here..
[09:57:29] <skunkworks> 9 hours IIRC
[09:58:13] <Tom_itx> where is here?
[09:58:28] <skunkworks> near lacrosse wi
[10:00:26] <Tom_itx> you coming for the whole week?
[10:01:52] <skunkworks> not 100% sure.. I think atleast be there by wed - leave sunday
[10:12:23] <JT-Shop> interesting 1st post
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/10-advanced-configuration/26603-c-code-in-lanygkinsc-for-an-xyzabc-machine#35020
[10:16:44] <taiden> hey everyone
[10:16:58] <taiden> how do you guys keep toollength constant between tool changes?
[10:17:27] <taiden> is there some kind of manual indexing method that is preferred?
[10:17:31] <JT-Shop> R8?
[10:18:01] <taiden> har har
[10:18:10] <taiden> :)
[10:19:03] * JT-Shop didn't think it was a funny question
[10:19:15] * JT-Shop goes back to work
[10:19:23] <taiden> I run a bosch router
[10:19:27] <taiden> 1617evs
[10:19:43] <taiden> R8 is a funny answer
[10:19:43] <taiden> thus
[10:20:07] <ssi> I don't see how R8 is an answer
[10:20:11] <ssi> :P
[10:26:43] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[10:27:04] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/263392_443664172395490_1186070608_n.jpg
[10:27:07] <ssi> HAHAHAHAHAHAH
[10:27:41] <IchGuckLive> Sauce bolongnese is now cooking for 5hr the smell is fabouless all around the house are hungry but 2.5 hr to go
[10:28:07] <JT-Shop> I'll be right over
[10:28:27] <IchGuckLive> 10lbs of meat ! O.O
[10:28:47] <JT-Shop> nice
[10:29:06] <Tom_itx> quite a post
[10:29:38] <JT-Shop> ssi: it pretty much had a question mark so I agree how could that be construed as an answer...
[10:29:42] <IchGuckLive> wether is not good for a BBq but its good for italian hot spicy food
[10:29:45] <jdh> very thorough
[10:30:17] <ssi> JT-Shop: not to mention that R8 is itself a "how the hell do I manage tool length with this crappy collet design?"
[10:30:26] <ssi> which is why TTS exists :P
[10:30:26] <JT-Shop> aye
[10:30:27] <IchGuckLive> today 1.6Milian german got killed by the Zenzus
[10:30:45] <IchGuckLive> only 80.2Mio german left B)
[10:31:13] <ssi> too many germans!
[10:32:19] <IchGuckLive> A good Cheep Er20 collet changer for the hyanjang spindle will get you a near ritch person
[10:33:08] <IchGuckLive> the hint is the RPM to this
[10:33:27] <IchGuckLive> in miniture the 30k rpm is the hell for a toolchange
[10:38:30] <IchGuckLive> http://sell.bizrice.com/selling-leads/2521501/HOT-mini-cnc-tool-changer.html
[10:41:08] <IchGuckLive> http://fyintl.en.alibaba.com/productlist.html
[10:42:54] <ssi> I managed to get text to display on the LCD from my fpga
[10:42:57] <ssi> what a screaming pain in the dick
[10:43:26] <ssi> but:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLkQxARCQAA8vEO.jpg:large
[10:44:17] <IchGuckLive> if it says hello world it can even do more O.O B) by till later
[10:45:41] <pcw_home> looks like billboard (subsidizing the dev board with adds for chip vendors)
[10:46:01] <JT-Shop> lol
[10:46:03] <ssi> heh yep
[10:46:04] <jdh> he owned an optima with HH electronics that failed a lot.
[10:46:27] <Tom_itx> went from clear sky to mostly cloudy now
[10:48:22] <L84Supper2> http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards-and-kits/HW-SPAR3E-SK-US-G.htm looks like the Spartan dev board
[10:55:30] <ssi> this fpga code is insane... I have state machines nested four deep :(
[10:55:39] <ssi> I have state machines that push their states into registers and call sub-state machines
[10:55:46] <ssi> my brain aches
[11:22:47] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[11:34:06] <frallzor> home @ re
[11:36:23] <jthornton> emoh @ er
[11:36:28] <ssi> I need to fabricate some control rigging tools... need to figure out how to fit an airfoil curve to a set of points in solidworks
[11:36:51] <ssi> probably plasma cut the tool out of some 1/4" steel
[11:37:00] <ssi> although that'll probably be expensive as crap
[11:37:29] <frallzor> hello Mister Sir jthornton sir
[11:37:43] <jthornton> interesting, how is the airfoil described?
[11:37:55] <jthornton> hello Sir frallzor
[11:38:06] <ssi> eh no more expensive than the 1"x4"x36" aluminum bar they call it out as
[11:38:12] <ssi> hang on I'll show you
[11:40:42] <ssi> http://www.prototechnical.com/~imcmahon/stab_rigging_tool.png
[11:40:56] * frallzor is bored to hell
[11:46:20] <jthornton> ssi, my guess is with a spline with the correct number of points and dimension each point
[11:46:28] <jthornton> looks right to me
[11:48:20] <ssi> yeah I just have to figure out how to do it
[11:48:27] <ssi> I'm working on a base sketch with all the points in the right place first
[11:49:44] <ssi> ah hell my ride's here
[11:49:46] <ssi> later I guess :)
[12:03:19] <JT-Shop> opps out of posts
[12:03:41] <frallzor> heard about that giant asteroid that threatens earth?
[12:04:26] <frallzor> one of swedens worst newssites says it can cause global distaster in the headline, yet it says later it will miss us by 15x the distance to the moon =P
[12:04:44] <frallzor> well 10000 nukes blowing up at the same time can cuase global disaster too
[12:04:52] <frallzor> *cause
[12:04:59] * frallzor is tired today
[12:11:13] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:11:28] <frallzor> Hi Dr Nick
[12:12:03] <IchGuckLive> 2min to go QE2 asteroid live stream
[12:13:17] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl2
[12:19:05] <IchGuckLive> hi LeelooMinai
[12:53:25] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:54:00] <IchGuckLive> HI
[12:54:52] <confrey> I need some help : I've installed linuxCNC distribution on a notebook, but the rtai kernel doesn't start, I can see a blinking cursor only
[12:55:10] <IchGuckLive> from the livcd
[12:55:10] <confrey> the normal kernel works
[12:55:31] <confrey> the livecd too is not working on that noteb
[12:55:34] <archivist> notebook...that may be a problem
[12:55:36] <confrey> doesn't work
[12:55:41] <confrey> I kn ow
[12:55:59] <confrey> but it's the unique PC with ltp port I have
[12:56:04] <confrey> so
[12:56:05] <IchGuckLive> on startup try to put out all 2 ops under F6
[12:56:12] <confrey> livecd didn't work
[12:56:29] <IchGuckLive> even with the livecd
[12:56:36] <confrey> so I've installed a Ubuntu 10.04, then linuxcnc on it, by its script
[12:56:42] <IchGuckLive> it asks for user keyboard
[12:56:48] <IchGuckLive> then the language
[12:56:54] <IchGuckLive> there is the option F6
[12:56:57] <confrey> but when I start rtai kernel, nothing happens, like with livecd
[12:57:41] <confrey> IchGuckLive, and which option may I choose?
[12:58:14] <confrey> is there some kernel parameter to use for starting the rtai kernel on sme machines?
[12:58:20] <confrey> some machines?
[12:58:36] <confrey> the processor is a XP Athlon 2400+
[12:58:42] <confrey> 512 MB RAM
[12:58:52] <IchGuckLive> confrey: make a space hit at ACPI and nolapic
[12:58:59] <confrey> 10.04 staerts well and run smootly
[12:59:23] <IchGuckLive> leave noapic as it is
[12:59:32] <IchGuckLive> and start from livecd
[13:00:09] <IchGuckLive> confrey: are you from the USA
[13:00:35] <confrey> no... Italy :)
[13:00:52] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[13:05:59] <IchGuckLive> confrey: did you go over the option to install true to a running 10.04
[13:06:10] <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Installing_to_an_existing_Ubuntu_10_04_system_using_precompiled_LinuxCNC_packages
[13:06:28] <IchGuckLive> there is a install script
[13:07:08] <confrey> IchGuckLive, I did that procedure
[13:07:14] <confrey> but
[13:07:32] <confrey> now the grub dosn't work yet, I dont' know why
[13:07:34] <confrey> now
[13:07:41] <confrey> I'm trying with livecd
[13:07:46] <IchGuckLive> ok
[13:07:54] <confrey> I set acpi=off noapic and nolapic
[13:08:02] <confrey> and the kernel is loading
[13:08:11] <IchGuckLive> nolapic is needed by the realtime
[13:09:02] <confrey> started
[13:09:05] <IchGuckLive> try to start with as less as needed
[13:09:28] <IchGuckLive> so power down and hit one by one
[13:09:43] <IchGuckLive> then you see what is the hint on your netbook
[13:11:43] <IchGuckLive> you might need to this manuell at the installed system the livcd install will not set this option to grub
[13:12:57] <confrey> I need to chroot in the installed UBuntu to set again grub
[13:13:27] <IchGuckLive> i woudt first try out if all 2 options are needed
[13:13:45] <archivist> are you trying to run rtai in a vm?
[13:13:48] <IchGuckLive> if soo the linuxcnc will not run on this computer
[13:14:10] <IchGuckLive> archivist no its the livecd
[13:14:29] <IchGuckLive> and the netbook may not give the apic free
[13:14:41] <archivist> I know its the livecd but is the user doing the right thing TM
[13:15:21] <IchGuckLive> i hope so hes refixing the grub2
[13:16:40] <IchGuckLive> i woudt in his case Gpart the partition remove and start friom livcd all over not from 10.04 running
[13:17:03] <IchGuckLive> best way to do it
[13:17:33] <IchGuckLive> ok its 8pm here today there is nudels party here im off BY
[13:24:58] <confrey> ok
[13:25:29] <confrey> Ubuntu 10.04 started with rtai kernel, with acpi=off noapic and nolapic
[13:27:11] <confrey> trying to run latency-test from terminal, it gives me an error about inserting 'rtai_hal-ko' module : Operation not permitted
[13:32:32] <confrey> solved this : lapic must be present
[13:36:34] * FinboySlick wonders what IchGuckLive meant by nudels party...
[13:37:57] <cradek> maybe noodles, like a spaghetti feed?
[13:44:13] <PCW> unless its a canoodling party
[13:44:15] <andypugh> In Germany they eat noodle strudel.
[13:44:32] <andypugh> (Actually, they don't, but I liked the phrase)
[13:53:12] <cpresser> cradek: i dont have a clue what a "nudels party" could be
[13:53:32] <cpresser> lost in translation i guess. there is no similar german word that comes in mind
[13:53:45] <jdh> "nude party"
[13:54:54] <cpresser> in fact, some males call their dick 'nudel'
[14:05:34] <ssi> [5~[6~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~
[14:30:37] <Nick001-Shop> <PCW> CONFIG="firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST6_6_7I52S.BIT num_encoders=3 num_pwmgens=3 num_stepgens=3 goes to error with hm2-servo.hal:48: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.pwmgen.pwm_frequency' not found and line 48 is there. What's wrong?
[14:34:49] <PCW> dmesg?
[14:37:58] <Nick001-Shop> I'll get it and postbin it. Not sure how to get the right dmesg but I'll work at it
[14:38:27] <JT-Shop> Nick001-Shop: let me get you a link
[14:38:48] <JT-Shop> Nick001-Shop:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Linux_FAQ.html#_bootup_messages
[14:43:56] <GammaX-Shop> im officially on google maps!
[14:44:53] <Tom_itx> aren't we all?
[14:51:32] <ssi> JT-Shop:
http://www.prototechnical.com/~imcmahon/stab_rigging_tool2.png
[14:52:51] <GammaX-Shop> JT-Shop: if you dont mind me asking what bank do you use for your businss stuff?
[14:53:16] <PCW> Umm Nick001-Shop: no need to get out the fancy diagnosticsi, its simple problem: SVST6_6_7I52S has no PWMGens
[14:54:21] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: no i mean on street view lol im on the left drinkin a beer
http://picpaste.com/rob_and_jay-Ds51xovr.jpg
[14:55:14] <ssi> I always figured you were a street hooligan
[14:57:53] <GammaX-Shop> was havin a beer and we saw the google maps mobile drive by. laughed pretty hard! lol
[14:59:53] <JT-Shop> ssi: nice
[15:00:06] <JT-Shop> GammaX: that is NTK and your not on my list
[15:00:55] <GammaX-Shop> im trying to find a small business bank... cant decide
[15:02:15] <ssi> JT-Shop: about to go put the torch to it if I have material
[15:02:20] <ssi> gonna cut it out of 1/4" plate
[15:11:29] <Nick001-Shop> <PCW>
http://pastebin.com/gwdypzym is the dmesg after starting hm2 and going to error.
[15:12:13] <Nick001-Shop> SVST6_6_7I52S has no PWMGens --- 0 them out? I'll go try it
[15:14:09] <PCW> anything in you hal file that references a pwmgen will bail
[15:16:41] <PCW> so a first step is to comment them out
[15:16:43] <PCW> (you dont want to blindly delete them all because the net command that sets the PWM value can be re-cycled)
[15:29:52] <Nick001-Shop> commented out 12 lines and axis finally came up. did them i at a time as they errored out. How do I get the step gen info into there?
[15:30:23] <Nick001-Shop> 1 at a time
[15:34:33] <Nick001-Shop> <PCW> should num_pwmgens=3 be at 0
[15:38:58] <JT-Shop> ssi: an alignment jig?
[15:42:14] <PetefromTn> afternoon everyone.
[15:43:38] <PetefromTn> Who's the cad experts here?
[15:43:59] <cradek> haha
[15:44:09] <cradek> just ask your real question and maybe you'll find out
[15:44:14] <PetefromTn> LOL..
[15:44:38] <PetefromTn> I am stuck here pretty good. I am TRYING to pickup some work for my new VMC here now that it is runnin.
[15:44:42] <JT-Shop> LOL
[15:49:39] <PetefromTn> I have been receiving some parts to quote and it never fails to be a file format that I have not used before..
[15:49:39] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop Glad you are enjoying this LOL
[15:49:39] <ssi> JT-Shop: yea rigging jig
[15:49:39] <ssi> is sheetcam not capable of rotating parts?
[15:49:39] <cradek> have 'em fax you blueprints
[15:51:46] <JT-Shop> ssi dunno I do that in qcad
[15:51:46] <PetefromTn> whaddya mean rotating?
[15:51:46] <ssi> PetefromTn: I have to make this:
[15:51:46] <ssi> http://www.prototechnical.com/~imcmahon/stab_rigging_tool2.png
[15:51:46] <ssi> but the piece of material I have is too wide to fit on my table horizontally
[15:51:46] <ssi> so I need to put it in vertiaclyl
[15:51:46] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: we always rib people who ask for an expert before asking a question
[15:51:46] <ssi> and sheetcam doesn't seem to be able to rotate
[15:51:46] <PetefromTn> your plasma?
[15:51:46] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop Yeah I figured that..
[15:51:46] <JT-Shop> rotate the dxf file with qcad or similar
[15:51:46] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: what is the format?
[15:51:46] <PetefromTn> well mostly solidworks stuff like sldprt and slddrw.
[15:51:46] <JT-Shop> I can open them
[15:51:46] <PetefromTn> I CANNOT afford freakin' solidworks.
[15:51:46] <ssi> PetefromTn: yeah
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> so you just need to rotate the geometry 90 degrees then?
[15:51:47] <ssi> yep!
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> can't you just do that in your cad software?
[15:51:47] <ssi> well yeah, that's waht I'm trying to do now
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> still on the flat right?
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> What software are you using?
[15:51:47] <ssi> it just sucks to be standing at the machine ready to cut, and realize you have to go RE DRAW because you need to turn your material 90 degrees
[15:51:47] <ssi> sheetcam
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> no cad?
[15:51:47] <ssi> solidworks
[15:51:47] <cradek> you can just rotate your coordinate system in that case
[15:51:47] <ssi> but cad is upstairs
[15:51:47] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: email them to me and I can convert them to a pdf if you need
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> LOL
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop Actually I want to be able to use them, is there a free software somewhere that can use this stuff?
[15:51:47] <JT-Shop> you can get a free viewer from SW
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> I just need to be able to look at the damn drawing to determine if I can cut it at all..
[15:51:47] <JT-Shop> get the free viewer
[15:51:47] <PetefromTn> God I hate trying to do this stuff with limited cash to get started..
[15:52:10] <JT-Shop> gotta start somewhere
[15:52:11] <PetefromTn> Just trying to pickup some freakin' work so I can make some money here but there is always a problem.
[15:52:34] <JT-Shop> the free SolidWorks viewer is FREE!
[15:52:38] <PetefromTn> I just emailed the second potential customer to ask if they could send me a different file type.
[15:52:48] <PetefromTn> Makes me feel like a freakin' amateur.
[15:53:02] <PetefromTn> God I am so pissed off right now LOL...
[15:53:20] * JT-Shop hands Pete a cold one
[15:53:29] <PetefromTn> ssi I will look at sheetcam and see if I can figure it out somehow.
[15:53:55] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop Thanks dude I don't drink but lets imagine its a cold pepsi kay?
[15:54:23] <JT-Shop> don't matter what it is so long as it is cool and refreshing
[15:54:36] <PetefromTn> yes exactly.. I like you man, you're alright.
[15:55:00] <PetefromTn> What is your cad cam solution JT?
[15:56:21] <JT-Shop> well I use Solidworks to design machines with and OneCNC for CAM but often I use Qcad and Gedit
[15:56:45] <PetefromTn> jeez so you got the big money softstuff...
[15:57:20] <JT-Shop> OneCNC is not big money LOL
[15:57:48] <PCW> Nick001-Shop: the entire num_pwmgens parameter should be deleted
[15:58:04] <JT-Shop> a tip from your Uncle John I went 4 years with a pencil and paper while building the buisness, can't start at the top
[15:58:38] <JT-Shop> and I'm still on the second rung of the ladder LOL
[15:58:58] <PetefromTn> ssi Hey man just asked my pal art and he said you can just right click and drag the part and then be able to machine it but I have not tried it.
[15:59:37] <JT-Shop> ssi: you can also rotate your coordinate system if your using LinuxCNC
[16:00:21] <JT-Shop> ssi:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G10-L2_
[16:00:37] <PetefromTn> just tried it does not seem to work..
[16:00:38] <cradek> I said that earlier but I think it was taken as a joke
[16:01:55] <JT-Shop> you never can tell
[16:02:25] <JT-Shop> today my question was taken as a funny answer...
[16:02:48] <cradek> oh well, we try our best
[16:02:55] <cradek> (well not always)
[16:03:01] <JT-Shop> aye, mostly
[16:06:09] <PetefromTn> Well I cannot seem to figure it out.
[16:06:22] <PetefromTn> Art said that he has heard of a way to do it but so far cannot remember.
[16:06:44] <PetefromTn> I thought you could use nesting somehow and make a duplicate but there does not seem to be a rotation function.
[16:06:46] <JT-Shop> rotate in Sheetcam?
[16:07:06] <PetefromTn> I suppose shifting your axis in linuxCNC is the best option if you don't want to run upstairs.
[16:07:11] <PetefromTn> yup/
[16:07:35] <PetefromTn> cradek What did you say earlier?
[16:08:32] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop Never said I wanted to start at the top man, believe me I am just trying to START at all. LOL
[16:10:37] <PetefromTn> LOL just heard it from the man himself. Les from sheetcam..
[16:10:44] <PetefromTn> On the bottom of the screen there are check boxes to mirror in X and/or
[16:10:44] <PetefromTn> Y. You can also enter an angle to rotate the part. Another way to rotate
[16:10:44] <PetefromTn> the part is to go into move part mode (the button looks like a cross),
[16:10:44] <PetefromTn> click on the part then use the < and > keys to rotate it.
[16:10:44] <JT-Shop> if your loading a dxf into sheetcam you can rotate that with qcad on the same computer
[16:11:07] <JT-Shop> cool did not see that
[16:12:00] <JT-Shop> just type 90 in the A box and hit enter
[16:12:18] <JT-Shop> then align the X and Y
[16:12:31] * JT-Shop wanders off for some relaxation
[16:12:31] <ssi> cradek: I didn't take it as a joke
[16:12:49] <ssi> I was just already up here redoing it in solidworks
[16:12:59] <ssi> just seems like something sheetcam should be able to do
[16:13:12] <PetefromTn> it does did you read my last post?
[16:13:18] <ssi> just now, yeah
[16:13:44] <PetefromTn> that's pretty sweet I could have used that a time or three..
[16:13:53] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLn1melCAAI0InO.jpg:large
[16:14:14] <JT-Shop> ssi: type 90 in the A box, click align type 0 in the X and Y box and press enter after each one
[16:14:37] <JT-Shop> nice!
[16:14:40] <PetefromTn> I just put the 90 in the A box and hit enter..
[16:14:53] <PetefromTn> wow ya already got it cut. Looks great.
[16:15:06] <JT-Shop> depends on the part you will have to align the X and Y
[16:15:29] <PetefromTn> nice that you can mirror in both axes too... that will come in handy.
[16:15:31] <JT-Shop> in any case you taught me a new trick... I'm off for a while
[16:15:44] <ssi> lemme throw X up here and try it out
[16:15:46] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop Cool man enjoy.
[16:16:28] <ssi> oh thats right it doesn't work over remote :(
[16:17:16] <PetefromTn> just cut the crap out of my big toe out in the shop.
[16:17:34] <PetefromTn> Dad always said to wear steel toes right...
[16:17:53] <ssi> heh
[16:17:56] <PetefromTn> He would probably not approve of my leather sandals. I guess I deserved that.
[16:17:57] <ssi> I wear flipflops in the shop :P
[16:18:37] <PetefromTn> I am building this huge pig cooker grill and put the damn expanded metal sheet up against my workbench and walked by forgetting it and kicked it pretty good
[16:18:43] <ssi> woops
[16:18:50] <PetefromTn> yes exactly LOL
[16:19:04] <ssi> you ever get those pulleys from connor?
[16:19:07] <PetefromTn> Guess what.....I bled like a stuck pig ar ar ar...
[16:19:35] <PetefromTn> nope honestly have not heard from connor for a bit. Worried I pissed him off er something.
[16:19:45] <ssi> aww
[16:19:51] <ssi> I'm sure you didn't
[16:19:54] <PetefromTn> I have been known to do that occasionally.
[16:20:08] <PetefromTn> despite my best efforts ;p
[16:22:19] <ssi> I wish I had a little bit less bevel on these cuts
[16:22:39] <PetefromTn> got an angle grinder?
[16:23:05] <ssi> sure, but that defeats the whole purpose of cnc cutting a relatively precise rigging tool
[16:23:24] <PetefromTn> probably.
[16:25:29] <PetefromTn> well apparently blender cannot do IGS files nor does it do solidworks files except .stl
[16:31:23] <Nick001-Shop> <PCW> eliminated num_pwmgens parameter and put in setp hm2_5i20.0.stepgen.00.control-type 1 and stepgen.01 and it still comes up -) which of your pins do I hookup to the Gecko G251 step & dir pins?
[16:32:43] <ssi> I think my torch holder is misaligned
[16:33:06] <ssi> cause I get no bevel cutting away from me, but fair bevel cutting toward me
[16:33:15] <ssi> clockwise both directions, which is correct for hypertherm torches
[16:43:42] <PCW> Nick001-Shop: you will first need to find the lines that net the PWMvalue to the PID output
[16:50:13] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[17:10:44] <Nick001-Shop> sorry - lost me with that one -
[17:22:12] <PCW> Nick001-Shop: for a closed loop step motor configuration a PID component drives the stepgenerator rate,
[17:22:14] <PCW> you need to make that connection in HAL but ita 1/2 there already (the PID output used to drive the PWM generator)
[17:22:28] <PCW> s/ita/its/
[17:23:48] <Nick001-Shop> Is that the pid.0.command line in hal?
[18:00:34] <andypugh> Washing machine motor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P027KQ8ZHo
[18:00:35] <Tecan> (_P027KQ8ZHo) "Samsung Washing Machine Motor (similar to Fisher - Paykel)" by "andy pugh" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:46
[18:52:52] <adb_> andypugh, you got only the 'motor' or all 'machine' ? have a link ?
[18:53:04] <andypugh> Only the motor
[18:53:11] <adb_> cool
[18:53:26] <andypugh> They are something like 1500W 50Nm.
[18:53:59] <adb_> nice , and $$$ ?
[18:55:12] <adb_> well euro here
[18:55:41] <andypugh> I paid £25 + 25 postage.
[18:57:03] <adb_> noted, thanks
[19:26:17] <tjtr33> andypugh thats a good deal, 1500W bike motors are near 500$ ( 48v @ 30A cont ) very interesting.
[19:26:19] <tjtr33> tho i dont see F&P machines in the boneyard here, thats pretty new stuff
[19:51:25] <tjtr33> can vismach have a cylinder that is not aligned to a cartesian axis?
[19:51:31] <tjtr33> working on a vismach of this
http://www.cybamantech.co.uk/res/img/custom/cybamanr_lg.jpg
[20:09:02] <tjtr33> http://imagebin.org/259764
[20:15:19] <archivist> try to make the parts in order from the mounted base to the work cylinder rather than draw the two then attempt to join
[20:16:56] <tjtr33> thx, iwas working from the tool tip down. but stymied at a cyclinder whose axis isnt on x y or z
[20:19:18] <tjtr33> http://pastebin.com/N4EeCeKF
[20:22:42] <tjtr33> doh i think i can just Translate the form
[20:26:09] <PetefromTn> tjtr33 What software are you using man?
[20:26:41] <archivist> it is vismach that comes with linuxcnc
[20:28:12] <tjtr33> you got it ( haha dbl meaning )
[20:28:59] <tjtr33> its just a text file
[20:32:01] <PetefromTn> doh..
[20:51:38] <andypugh> Vismach is cool. I just wish it had any documentation at all...
[20:52:17] <archivist> write it some :0
[20:52:18] <PetefromTn> we chattin about cad?
[20:52:28] <archivist> visualisation
[20:52:50] <archivist> of the machine itself
[20:52:54] <PetefromTn> newbie
[20:53:04] <PetefromTn> what machine?
[20:53:26] <archivist> any, see the examples
[20:54:12] <PetefromTn> so its a 3d digitizer
[20:54:26] <archivist> no
[20:54:39] <andypugh> PetefromTn: No, it is a virtual machine that responds to your G-code and config
[20:54:50] <PetefromTn> interesting.
[20:54:55] <PetefromTn> got a link?
[20:55:18] <PetefromTn> this a linuxCNC thing or otherwise?
[20:55:23] <archivist> examples are already on your machine
[20:55:38] <PetefromTn> okay
[20:55:40] <PetefromTn> thanks
[20:55:41] <andypugh> PetefromTn: There are some sample configs with it. try selecting the puma robot sim from the config chooser.
[20:55:56] <PetefromTn> oh so it is in the simulators
[20:56:11] <PetefromTn> forgive my ignorance on all that linuxCNC can do.
[20:56:45] <PetefromTn> just downloaded freecad tonight.
[20:56:53] <PetefromTn> anyone here use it?
[20:58:50] <tjtr33> pete that maho 600 even has an example on your machine
[20:59:24] <PetefromTn> tjtr33 Gonna have to look at it. thanks
[21:02:18] <PetefromTn> sure wish mirc would show me what the conversation was before I logged on. Quassel seemed to do that.
[21:02:45] <PetefromTn> It seems I miss a lot when I get kicked off by my internet
[21:03:22] <skunkworks-> logger[psha]:
[21:03:22] <logger[psha]> skunkworks-: Log stored at
http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23linuxcnc/2013-06-01.html
[21:03:33] <archivist> PetefromTn, there are a number of logs
http://emclog.archivist.info/
[21:04:05] <PetefromTn> yeah I know but it was nice to login and have quassel just load them up. Can Mirc do that somehow?
[21:04:18] <PetefromTn> I looked for an option but did not find one.
[21:04:32] <archivist> not aware of
[21:04:45] <archivist> logs are all different
[21:05:22] <PetefromTn> Anyways, do any of you use or have used Freecad 3d?
[21:06:50] <PetefromTn> been watching the youtube tutorials and it seems pretty nice.
[21:07:06] <archivist> no but I do provide the channel log for freecad
http://freecadlog.archivist.info/
[21:07:15] <PetefromTn> The only thing I am having a problem with is that it is only able to use metric native units..
[21:07:52] <archivist> ask in #freecad
[21:08:07] <PetefromTn> so they have an IRC channel then.
[21:08:14] <PetefromTn> that sounds good
[21:08:20] <archivist> although much lower traffic than in here
[21:08:29] <PetefromTn> it certainly seems pretty nice for a free modeler.
[21:09:43] <PetefromTn> I am totally new to the IRC thing, how do you find these other channels. I was lucky to find my way here and honestly Connor helped me with that. I am not a tech guy at all really
[21:10:39] <archivist> /join #channelname with the / at the start of the line no spaces as I deliberately just did
[21:11:05] <PetefromTn> can you be on multiple chats at once?
[21:11:22] <archivist> sure Im in about 20
[21:11:27] <skunkworks-> tjtr33: love to see that running....
[21:11:29] <PetefromTn> cool..
[21:12:16] <PetefromTn> just did a file..new window.. then tried to join channel and it did not work.
[21:12:28] <PetefromTn> is freecad on freenode?
[21:12:39] <archivist> yes
[21:12:59] <tjtr33> skunkworks, i got a robot from hgr, IF i figger the encoder scheme i may be able to make it real, but wanting the sim for learning now
[21:13:19] <tjtr33> the robot is 6 dof and 3 would be like the twisty arm abc
[21:13:32] <PetefromTn> it says I have not registered and says /nick
[21:13:49] <archivist> in this current window type the /join #freecad , a new window opens
[21:14:44] <PetefromTn> excellent... thanks man and I apologize for not knowing jack about IRC's
[21:15:04] <archivist> or edit your channel list to auto join #chan1,#chan2,#chanetc
[21:16:32] <tjtr33> archivist, whats the 4 parms for rotary translation ? as in "brotary = HalRotate([brotary],c,"tilt",1,0,-1,0)"
[21:16:52] <tjtr33> ( sorry i should dig out the src )
[21:17:09] <archivist> tjtr33, I would have to read some source to work it out :(
[21:17:30] <tjtr33> :) np, in there now
[21:18:22] <tjtr33> hehe the src is in ../lib
[21:19:00] <PetefromTn> trying to do the autojoin, it loads a channels list but I don't see how to autojoin
[21:19:08] <tjtr33> theta x y z
[21:19:40] <tjtr33> theta? maybe 012 for abc i guess
[21:19:42] <archivist> PetefromTn, you need to read some mirc docs
[21:19:59] <PetefromTn> I'm sure
[21:22:11] <PetefromTn> I think I just found the option in add to favorites.
[21:24:41] <tjtr33> re HalRotate dunno what the 'th' is ... but the last 3 parms, just set one of 'em to 1, its the axis to be spun round, and the sign is cw/ccw
[21:26:15] <tjtr33> if this was a heidenhain ctl i could spilt it up and translate about any vector in space (0, .83, .4177 ) its an openGL thing, not really linuxcnc
[21:56:57] <tjtr33> one of the fun things in making a vismach is how well you (I) can mung up the rt system, halrun -U is of no use bye bye :0
[21:57:22] <andypugh> halrun -U is never any use.
[23:23:16] <tjtr33> andypugh: haha ( just got back from a long series of hal freezes, and caught your remark from the logs ) i had removed 'work' <-- bad bad thang
[23:24:44] <tjtr33> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWf7cT8CTDI
[23:24:50] <Tecan> (EWf7cT8CTDI) "baby did a bad bad thing***The official-unofficial video MOODVIDEO*** chris isaak" by "Angel Montana" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:02:58
