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[00:22:20] <gammax-Laptop1> anyone know a us based coupling suppier?
[00:22:29] <gammax-Laptop1> my straight shafts aint seeming to work out :/
[01:58:46] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:36:19] <GammaX> this a bad idea?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOVEJOY-ADB6-3-8x5-8-Coupling-Double-Beam-Bore-3-8x5-8-In-/221191394325?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338008d415
[03:36:43] <Tom_itx> GammaX, stock drive products has them
[03:36:54] <GammaX> que?
[03:37:34] <GammaX> i never heard of them. wow they have a lot
[03:37:42] <GammaX> Tom_itx, which couplings would you get?
[03:37:55] <GammaX> price is important to me!
[03:38:01] <Tom_itx> https://sdp-si.com/eStore/Catalog
[03:38:06] <archivist> depends on the job and the price
[03:40:10] <GammaX> Tom_itx, archivist, what type of couplings do you use?
[03:42:13] <archivist> I have a couple of types (some of these
http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Stepper-Motors/Oldham-Couplings because one can mix end hole sizes) and even made my own in the past
[03:44:39] <archivist> I have bellows on on two axes
[03:50:43] <GammaX> archivist, how you like the bellows?
[03:51:16] <archivist> a bit fragile
[03:53:11] <GammaX> hmmm
[03:53:17] <GammaX> i need to find something asap!
[03:53:21] <GammaX> cant find it on that site
[03:53:22] <Tom_itx> mcmaster has them too
[03:53:33] <GammaX> 3/8 x 16mm or 5/8...
[03:53:53] <GammaX> Tom_itx, idk where your seeing this! lol
[03:54:14] <archivist> all sorts here
https://sdp-si.com/eStore/CoverPg/Couplings.htm
[03:54:41] <archivist> each type has its application
[03:54:50] <Tom_itx> sdp has hundreds
[03:56:24] <GammaX> archivist, well i need some with a little bit of flex but that cna hold on very strong and be a little flexible with movement im thinkin of oldham style ones now
[03:56:29] <archivist> your mounting alignment quality also defines which type you need
[03:56:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-shaft-couplings/=myhafz
[03:58:33] <GammaX> found oldham couplings with the rite size
[04:03:47] <GammaX> unfortuanatly I dont think I have enough room for oldham style... the gap is too little
[04:03:58] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, i'd have to look at my wiring to tell you what i meant :)
[04:05:29] <Tom_itx> the scale would be different
[04:06:00] <Tom_itx> .025 .0025 .00025
[04:07:35] <Tom_itx> iirc that's due to the quadrature nature of the MPG
[04:08:34] <GammaX> how much parrallel misalign should I acount for?
[04:08:44] <GammaX> https://sdp-si.com/eStore/Catalog/Group/827#
[04:09:01] <GammaX> spider couplers have tan black or rust for diff hardness lvels I believe
[04:23:23] <RyanS> I know it's not designed to do so but could you adequately 'turn' cylindrical parts on a four axis cnc mill
[04:24:55] <Loetmichel> spider couplers are easy
[04:27:08] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12846
[04:27:18] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12821
[04:28:46] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzOtqYhpHIM
[04:28:55] <Loetmichel> withoit a lathe ;-)
[04:28:59] <Loetmichel> without
[04:31:38] <RyanS> does the finish come out okay?
[04:32:46] <Loetmichel> yes
[04:40:35] <RyanS> hmm I was thinking model engineering with a 4 axis machining something like a crankcase in a couple of operations
[04:41:10] <GammaX> which spider would you guys use?
[04:41:22] <GammaX> in a spider setup for couplings?
[04:41:28] <RyanS> tornado boring the cylinder in the same operation
[04:41:47] <GammaX> A 5R27M4086 40 7 Any 40mm diameter Tan NBR Rubber 86
[04:41:48] <GammaX> A 5R27M4092 40 10 Any 40mm diameter Black NBR Rubber 92
[04:41:48] <GammaX> A 5R27M4098 40 17 Any 40mm diameter Rust NBR Rubber 98
[04:42:14] <GammaX> that prolly makes no sense to you guys lol
[04:43:10] <GammaX> A 5R27-4086 40 1.578 62 Any 1.578" O.D. Tan NBR Rubber 86 -22° F to 194° F 0.006
[04:43:10] <GammaX> A 5R27-4092 40 1.578 88 Any 1.578" O.D. Black NBR Rubber 92 -22° F to 194° F 0.004
[04:43:10] <GammaX> A 5R27-4098 40 1.578 150 Any 1.578" O.D. Rust NBR Rubber 98 -22° F to 194° F 0.002
[09:11:30] <PetefromTn> anyone familiar with blender?
[09:18:32] <tjtr33> i fight with it sometimes, but the Russian arm of linuxcnc is active with it.
[09:18:33] <tjtr33> these may be of interest
http://blendercam.blogspot.com/ and
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator
[09:19:09] <skunkworks> PetefromTn:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator
[09:19:11] <PetefromTn> just downloaded it and trying to make heads or tails. It appears to be VERY powerful software
[09:19:18] <skunkworks> (I don't have any experience with it...)
[09:22:02] <tjtr33> Nick was making hobby helicopter parts with it
http://cnc-club.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1868
[09:24:42] <PetefromTn> Just trying to rotate this part someone wants me to make so I can take a look at the damn thing.
[09:25:24] <PetefromTn> Who is nick?
[09:26:45] <PetefromTn> Oh nevermind I see. Can't read it tho LOL.
[09:27:01] <PetefromTn> does it say what cam he used to do it?
[09:30:47] <tjtr33> his python code to generate gcode from blender ( blender is very python inside ) 'gcodegenerator' see the linuxcnc wiki link
[09:34:02] <PetefromTn> oh okay thats what skunkie was trying to say then. Gotta look into that here. Still cannot seem to rotate the object tho..
[09:36:32] <Vq> PetefromTn: Do you have basic knowledge of blender?
[09:37:20] <PetefromTn> Vq no actually just downloaded it LOL.
[09:37:47] <Vq> Then I would recommend checking out the beginner videos from blendercookie.
[09:38:22] <PetefromTn> blendercookie huh, will search for that. Do you use it?
[09:38:48] <Vq> sure
[09:39:07] <PetefromTn> what do you generally use it for?
[09:39:20] <Vq> http://cgcookie.com/blender/cgc-series/blender-basics-introduction-beginners
[09:40:20] <Vq> Dabble with raytracing and creating visualisations.
[09:41:38] <PetefromTn> Thanks for the link dude! Looks like a nice simple intro that I need. Was gonna download a simple .stl viewer but then searched a bit and found blender which seems to do so much more.
[09:42:17] <PetefromTn> Not sure if it is best thing for my purposes tho. Not really into 3d computer animation just want an avenue to be able to draw and view 3d files for cad cam work.
[09:42:31] <tjtr33> Vq would you suggest using the blendercam version (2.67)? same basic interface, more cnc oriented
http://blendercam.blogspot.com/p/download-and-installation.html
[09:42:58] <PetefromTn> Thats what I downloaded...
[09:43:12] <PetefromTn> at least I think so. Stable release 2.67
[09:43:39] <PetefromTn> How would you setup blender to be more CNC oriented as far as the toolbars etc.
[09:43:45] <Vq> tjtr33: I have actually never used blendercam.
[09:44:13] <PetefromTn> There's a blendercam?
[09:44:25] <PetefromTn> Did not know that..
[09:44:45] <PetefromTn> Just downloaded basic blender cad I guess here..
[09:45:28] <tjtr33> if your base is 2.67 you can add on, else you can install the single package listed
[09:46:06] <PetefromTn> just found a link to a blendercam page. This is interesting.
[09:48:28] <tjtr33> Vq thx for the blendercookie link, may get me past hello world :0
[09:49:04] <PetefromTn> says they don't recommend the cam for metalworking...wonder why
[09:49:40] <PetefromTn> Also says that they don't guarantee the toolpaths. how cold anyone expect a free program to guarantee anything?
[09:50:09] <PetefromTn> Well gotta run into town to pickup my new Bandsaw blades. Be back in awhile. Peace
[10:38:06] <jdh> 30% off everything today at Enco code:THIRTY
[10:41:08] <frallzor> what be enco?
[10:44:14] <jdh> www.use-enco.com
[10:45:38] <frallzor> I see
[10:48:57] <cradek> wow that's uncommon
[10:52:04] <skunkworks> it happened within the last month...
[10:52:15] <skunkworks> must be trying to get rid of inventoyr
[10:53:01] <DJ9DJ> re
[12:04:08] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:05:24] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: ? sunny blue sky outside no joke after 100l Today
[12:13:47] <bedah> mei, des wetter halt ;D
[12:13:51] <IchGuckLive> Poincare: Hi
[12:14:26] <IchGuckLive> bedah: Bayern now most valubal leader in the chene
[12:16:47] <bedah> hab im radio gehört dasses um braunschweig richtig niederging, hier in bremen war es nicht so arg..
[12:16:57] <bedah> sorry for not-english-typing :D
[12:17:52] <IchGuckLive> bedah: agree we got 100liter per sq meter today the wells are all open if never seeen sutch mutch water in the valey
[12:18:31] <IchGuckLive> Blue sky and Sunny overhead but in the Far DARK clouds moving in from france
[12:23:32] * jthornton geht um einen kurzen Nickerchen
[12:23:51] <jthornton> I wonder how well google translate did on that?
[12:24:17] <IchGuckLive> sleep well
[12:24:47] <IchGuckLive> and dream of 5Axis at 2500ipm
[12:26:18] <jthornton> I'll dream of a Discovery 308 that doens't trip the drive out every 10 minutes :)
[12:26:39] <IchGuckLive> do so
[12:28:24] <pcw_home> Spindle drive fault?
[12:29:31] <IchGuckLive> @ all in the USA the Red skin people is there a special name for them german "indianer" ?
[12:29:55] <IchGuckLive> try to find a good svg for plasma
[12:30:48] <pcw_home> Native American is a more PC term
[12:30:58] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:33:00] <pcw_home> but of course even thats not very PC since is based on a European name as well
[12:33:19] <IchGuckLive> got them
[12:35:24] <pcw_home> Turtle Islanders?
[12:52:39] <Loetmichel> jthornton: gruesome ;)
[12:53:19] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: water droped today in liters ?
[12:53:25] <Loetmichel> no idea
[12:53:28] <Loetmichel> not so much
[12:54:04] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:54:05] <Loetmichel> bit of drizzle, but that the whole day long
[12:54:24] <IchGuckLive> 100 liter today but now blue sky
[12:56:52] * Loetmichel has a sore neck now... got three "hohlkammerplatten" from the home depot for my company... one plate is 2500*1050*10mm... and the car is "only" an opel Omega carvan-> the sheets had contact with the inner rearview mirror ;-) now i know how a dwarf must feel behind the steering wheel ;-)
[12:57:28] <IchGuckLive> they got better seats
[12:59:51] <IchGuckLive> and also bigger cars GMC 6liter
[13:00:16] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: ???
[13:00:20] <Loetmichel> a dwarf?
[13:01:08] <Loetmichel> i meant: i had to slip down on my seat 'til i barely could look over the dashboard because the sheets were above my head ;-)
[13:01:46] <IchGuckLive> yes short people but big cars
[13:02:16] <IchGuckLive> i got the picture of you in the car bevore my eys O.O
[13:03:22] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRA_fUpCxWA
[13:03:23] <Tecan> (CRA_fUpCxWA) "Lumber Car MiniMyth | MythBusters" by "DiscoveryNetworks" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:04:37
[13:04:38] <IchGuckLive> German car take heavy load
[13:04:53] <IchGuckLive> VW Jetta 300 pounds of load
[13:04:59] <IchGuckLive> 3000
[13:19:54] <IchGuckLive> im off by for today !
[15:14:33] <GammaX-Shop> hello mall
[15:14:50] <GammaX-Shop> decided on spider couplers this morning ... 80 bucks plus shipping from ny.
[15:15:04] <GammaX-Shop> american made... I can deal with that. Th spider is rated for 8ft pounds
[15:15:30] <GammaX-Shop> 88*
[15:15:47] <GammaX-Shop> black spider fro sdp
[15:17:10] <JT-Shop> are you typing with goves on again?
[15:20:05] <taiden> hey everyone
[15:21:47] <GammaX-Shop> lol JT-Shop nah just becoming dislexic I believe
[15:24:33] <taiden_> hello again, strange issue there
[15:24:50] <taiden_> i'm trying to track down a good CAM option for 3/4 axis cnc router use
[15:25:13] <taiden_> this is for (very) small business production
[15:25:35] <taiden_> I have been using Mastercam x4 but can't seem to get post to make anything useful for LinuxCNC
[15:28:19] <JT-Shop> one little glitch in the post or total garbage?
[15:33:26] <JT-Shop> also it is not strange you and everyone else want's a free CAM package
[15:37:36] <tomp3> taiden: try #cam and visit Dan Falck's blog. ( freecad heekscad & cam )
[15:38:31] <tomp3> http://opensourcedesigntools.blogspot.com/
[15:56:02] <taiden_> I dont want a free CAM package
[15:56:24] <taiden_> Just trying to balance cost and time savings
[15:57:07] <taiden_> there used to be some low cost ($250?) CAM package that looked very full featured
[15:57:28] <taiden_> I thought it was BobCAD but apparently not as it seems to be priced in the thousands
[16:13:49] <GammaX-Shop> anyone use a reflective photosensor for speed?
[16:21:50] <GammaX-Shop|2> I have a photo microsensor thats pointed at the quill, the quill has6 splines on it. the photo microsensoir ha power to it but also a line and a out on it.. where do I hook those up(im assuming on my BOB at the limit a section) and also how do I setup linuxcnc to know where to pick this up(stepconfig Limit A>spindle index?) and also how it will know that 6 pulses is a rotation...
[16:22:53] <GammaX-Shop|2> this is used for spindle speed if I didnt mention ^^^
[16:26:02] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:32:31] <GammaX-Shop|2> anyone? lol
[17:01:31] <Tom_shop> you tell it all that
[17:01:45] <Tom_shop> i used an encoder from a printer on my spindle
[17:02:01] <Tom_shop> dammit
[17:03:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/encoder_disk1.jpg
[17:03:23] <Tom_itx> works good
[17:03:34] <Tom_itx> no index though
[17:06:48] <Tom_itx> GammaX-Shop|2, all in my sherline.hal :
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/sherline.hal
[17:08:22] <GammaX-Shop|2> Tom_itx: which part is without index, I think I can do spindle phase a... hopefully a long by itself.
[17:09:00] <Tom_itx> mine doesn't have index either
[17:09:06] <GammaX-Shop|2> hmmmm
[17:09:14] <Tom_itx> 48 slots
[17:10:06] <GammaX-Shop|2> gonna be a lil diff cause im usin parport.
[17:10:23] <Tom_itx> the functions are the same
[17:10:31] <Tom_itx> just substitute the port
[17:10:36] <GammaX-Shop|2> Tom_itx: Ihink i talked to you yesterday, wound up getting the spider couplings from sbd?
[17:10:40] <GammaX-Shop|2> sbi? i forget.
[17:10:54] <Tom_itx> sdp-si
[17:11:08] <GammaX-Shop|2> can I just add that in somehow through stepconfig?
[17:11:12] <Tom_itx> them or mcmaster have them
[17:11:22] <Tom_itx> i dunno, i never used stepconfig
[17:11:32] <Tom_itx> it's for 'kids'
[17:11:33] <Tom_itx> :)
[17:11:35] <GammaX-Shop|2> Tom_itx: correct! lol 80 bucks and they had exact fit, got flexible ones with black spider 88 ftpounds torque rating
[17:11:36] <GammaX-Shop|2> lol
[17:11:49] <GammaX-Shop|2> i guarentee im a kid to you
[17:12:26] <Tom_itx> you should price the same thing at mcmaster for comparison
[17:12:32] <Tom_itx> i dunno who is cheaper really
[17:12:54] <GammaX-Shop|2> i did
[17:13:00] <GammaX-Shop|2> mcmaster didnt have what i needed
[17:13:07] <GammaX-Shop|2> andthing close was almost twice the price
[17:16:30] <Tom_L> JT-Shop,
http://www.electronicproducts.com/Electromechanical_Components/Motors_and_Controllers/Image_of_the_Day_U_S_Navy_dolphins_discover_rare_130-year-old_torpedo.aspx
[17:18:01] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: stil no idea what to put in lol
[17:22:45] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: its too differant in terms of the comands
[17:25:10] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html
[17:28:03] <GammaX-Shop> I god my brain hurts from looking at code
[17:28:18] <Tom_itx> what pin is it on?
[17:29:06] <GammaX-Shop> 13
[17:30:13] <GammaX-Shop> I tried modifying the hal but it came up as having errors.
[17:30:19] <GammaX-Shop> changed itback.... just confused :/
[17:37:04] <andypugh> When I spin this washing machine brushless motor by hand I get 40VAC. I think that probably means that it is (as anticipated) a 240V motor.
[17:39:18] <Tom_itx> probably why they are popular for wind generators
[17:40:23] <PetefromTn> picked up some nice new Lenox bandsaw blades for my 7x12 today.... they kick ass.
[17:41:24] <Tom_itx> GammaX-Shop, what sort of output is the encoder?
[17:41:27] <PetefromTn> Also finally got the deposit for the sweet whole pig roasting grill I am making for a customer and started cutting metal on it this afternoon.
[17:41:39] <Tom_itx> mine was open collector and i wound up inverting it
[17:59:47] <Tom_itx> GammaX-Shop, yes mine is slightly different, the mesa card has encoder functions builtin
[18:02:30] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: v i believe
[18:02:33] <GammaX-Shop> 5V
[18:02:48] <GammaX-Shop> its an omron EE-SY672
[18:05:53] <Tom_itx> do you run base thread or servo thread?
[18:08:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_rtcomps.html#sec:Encoder
[18:08:47] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: ? i dot know what u mean with servo or base
[18:27:11] <Tom_itx> http://paste.debian.net/7446
[18:27:20] <Tom_itx> does that look reasonable for a parport encoder input?
[18:27:33] <Tom_itx> i don't have a way to test it
[18:27:36] <Tom_itx> for Gamax
[18:28:07] <Tom_itx> do you use base thread or servo thread for parport stuff?
[18:28:23] <andypugh> base-thread
[18:28:37] <Tom_itx> my mesa stuff uses servo thread
[18:29:16] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure about the gain on scale either
[18:29:27] <Tom_itx> would that reflect his encoder count per rev?
[18:29:28] <andypugh> no need to setp the index-enable
[18:29:45] <andypugh> The encoder scale needs to be set correctly
[18:29:56] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what his is
[18:31:00] <Tom_itx> not sure what parameter that is andy
[18:31:09] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_rtcomps.html#sec:Encoder
[18:32:06] <Tom_itx> encoder.<chan>.position-scale
[18:32:38] <andypugh> Needs to match the number of counts per rev.
[18:32:43] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:32:47] <andypugh> Or you can lie and get rpm directly :-)
[18:32:55] <Tom_itx> it's a bit different on mine since i'm using the mesa function
[18:34:04] <Tom_itx> if you're using it in single input mode you don't need to define the others do you?
[18:34:35] <Tom_itx> encoder.0.phase-A etc
[18:36:26] <Tom_itx> he left anyway
[19:30:31] <eric_unterhausen> uh oh, building bbb kernel
[19:42:31] <eric_unterhausen> defeated on a makefile
[19:45:02] <andypugh> Happens to me all the time
[19:45:35] <eric_unterhausen> I love it when you do an 'ls' file is there and then delete the ls from the beginning of the line and the file isn't there
[19:49:25] <eric_unterhausen> okey, maybe I should have rebooted after applying updates
[19:49:29] <eric_unterhausen> only thing I can think of
[20:03:50] <eric_unterhausen> ok, so I think this may be a new one on me, "no such file or directory" for a file that is sitting there
[20:09:55] <andypugh> directory with no execute bit?
[20:10:17] <eric_unterhausen> starting to wonder if it's an arm executable
[20:11:13] <eric_unterhausen> no, directory is drwxr-xr-x
[20:14:14] <andypugh> That was my only idea, sorry it wasn't a god one.
[20:15:31] <eric_unterhausen> not a bad one
[20:15:44] <eric_unterhausen> I think it's an arm executable, but I don't see anything that says that
[20:17:35] <eric_unterhausen> seems pretty clear that it's x86
[20:29:22] <gammax-Laptop1> anyone know of a 4th axis that is cheap but of decent quality?
[20:30:27] <Tom_itx> gammax-Laptop1,
http://paste.debian.net/7448
[20:30:31] <Tom_itx> something like that
[20:31:42] <gammax-Laptop1> Tom_itx, heyyyyy that could work! Thanks. Ill try it tomorow my shop is north denver and I am south denver.
[20:31:59] <gammax-Laptop1> BTW if any of you are ever passing through please give me a shout and we can meet up!
[20:40:33] <eric_unterhausen> of course the repository version of linaro cross compilers is out of date
[20:49:59] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: I think there has to be a servo thread function for the encoder also
[20:52:31] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, not a base thread?
[20:52:57] <Tom_itx> i use servo thread on mesa stuff...
[20:53:02] <Tom_itx> this is for a parport
[20:54:50] <skunkworks> right
[20:55:12] <skunkworks> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html
[20:55:21] <skunkworks> encoder.update-counters
[20:55:32] <skunkworks> encoder.update-counters
[20:55:40] <skunkworks> heh encoder.capture-position
[20:56:01] <skunkworks> one in the base thread and one in the servo thread
[20:57:48] <Tom_itx> never heard of using a function in both
[20:58:54] <Tom_itx> so addf encoder.0 base- thread AND addf encoder.0 servo-thread ?
[20:59:28] <Tom_itx> gammax-Laptop1 hope you're getting all this :)
[20:59:43] <archivist> eric_unterhausen, to run a file where you are ./filename it depends whether your user also searches where you are in your paths in your user config
[21:08:22] <skunkworks> for software encoder - yes
[21:08:50] <Tom_itx> good to know
[21:09:01] <Tom_itx> too bad the docs don't tell you that
[21:09:09] <Tom_itx> at least that one
[21:09:30] <skunkworks> ?
[21:09:54] <Tom_itx> about adding the encoder to both the threads
[21:10:42] <skunkworks> yes - it might be a bit techie.. but you could look at any of the example configs that use a software encoder.
[21:11:08] <Tom_itx> well that would be going above and beyond considering i'm not using it myself :)
[21:11:19] <skunkworks> heh
[21:11:20] <Tom_itx> was trying to help gammax
[21:12:00] <skunkworks> ah
[21:14:39] <Tom_itx> if you're using mesa stuff you probably wouldn't use the software functions much would you?
[21:16:31] <skunkworks> right
[21:16:49] <skunkworks> I have no base thread on the k&t
[21:17:00] <skunkworks> all the fast stuff is done in mesa
[21:17:05] <Tom_itx> yep
[21:17:11] <Tom_itx> just servo thread on mine
[21:18:00] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure but i think he's the one just testing it out on parallel port before he commits to a mesa board
[21:18:18] <Tom_itx> seems like alot of effort for naught
[21:30:39] <L84Supper2> aerotech is trying to sell stages for more than the cost of entire 3D printers at the show here :)
[21:33:48] <L84Supper2> oh and every factory here, promises that it will only take a few days but really takes a few weeks
[21:36:07] <L84Supper2> reminds me of the "Money Pit"
[21:37:07] <Tom_itx> and it cost you a suit and tie to find all that out :)
[21:38:37] <L84Supper2> the conference is a snore
[21:39:13] <L84Supper2> we are still waiting for our printer parts to show up
[21:40:06] <L84Supper2> now everyone here knows why we have our own complete shop :)
[21:43:07] <L84Supper2> "why buy all those tools when you can just hire a factory to make protos?"
[21:43:58] <L84Supper2> maybe because half the parts will show up made wrong, a week late and with at least a few parts missing
[21:44:03] <Tom_itx> it puts it all under one roof
[21:45:57] <L84Supper2> it's one way for them to learn, now I'm not the crazy uhmerican
[21:52:26] <eric_unterhausen> archivist: using ./ to run a command. Some bash weirdness I have never seen before going on here
[22:14:47] <Connor> Any of you guys run air purifiers in your shop or dust filters? I'm Sick ATM (bronchitis) and I think it was brought about or exasperated buy cleaning up my shop this past weekend. I know they're common in wood working.. but.. metal shops ?
[22:15:14] <Connor> I do "sand" alumn to finish it.. and that can produce very fine powered dust..
[22:15:39] <Connor> and some times use MDF for jigs and backing etc..
[22:16:20] <Connor> My shop has a air duct from the main AC in the house.. but, no return.. so no filtration...
[22:17:41] <Tom_itx> the rework table we had WAS an air purificaton system
[22:18:47] <Tom_itx> the table was the inlet grate with massive filters on the base of it
[22:18:53] <Connor> All I have is a enclosed 5HP shop vac.. with 4" exhaust outlet going under the house where the Old Clothes dryer use to vent.
[22:22:16] <Tom_itx> http://www.industrialairsolutions.com/fume-smoke-collectors/downdraft-tables.htm
[22:22:22] <Tom_itx> similar
[22:23:11] <Connor> My shop is 11' x 7' with the mill, and a 7' x 40" Stainless still work bench.. no room for anything like that...
[22:23:44] <Tom_itx> http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/downdraft.cfm
[22:24:08] <Tom_itx> and we kept the 2nd op or rework station in a room by itself
[22:24:19] <Tom_itx> along with the vibratumbler etc
[22:31:23] <Tom_itx> maybe you can make something on a smaller scale
[22:31:29] <Tom_itx> they do work
[22:37:54] <Tom_itx> diamond grate mesh for a top..
[22:38:29] <Tom_itx> good quality furnace filters
[22:38:39] <Tom_itx> those white ones
[22:38:59] <Tom_itx> that's what the table used only alot thicker filtering
[22:50:01] <GammaX> anyone good with cad? specificly solidworks but not necassary? :D
[22:51:01] <Tom_itx> GammaX, did you see the comments about adding the encoder function to both threads?
[22:51:07] <Tom_itx> ^^
[22:51:24] <GammaX> I saw ur post regarding the text on debian.
[22:51:33] <GammaX> saved it and will try implimenting it tomorow
[22:51:48] <Tom_itx> there was a bit more on advice on it here
[22:51:52] <Tom_itx> zlog
[22:53:07] <GammaX> asome
[22:53:08] <Tom_itx> <skunkworks> Tom_itx: I think there has to be a servo thread function for the encoder also
[22:53:23] <GammaX> a servo thread? REaly?
[22:53:31] <Tom_itx> and base thread
[22:54:16] <Tom_itx> <skunkworks> for software encoder - yes
[22:54:35] <pcw_home> encoder.update-counters --> base thread
[22:54:37] <pcw_home> encoder.capture-position --> servo thread
[22:54:38] <Tom_itx> <Tom_itx> so addf encoder.0 base-thread AND addf encoder.0 servo-thread
[22:55:02] <Tom_itx> pcw_home is that correct ^^?
[22:56:10] <GammaX> I can just add that in anywhere?
[22:56:12] <pcw_home> The software encoder has two functions: encoder.update-counters and encoder.capture-position
[22:57:20] <GammaX> with the photomicrosensor I have, if its too close it would count 6 splines as 12 but a little farther away it counts 6... I wonder which one is better...
[22:58:58] <pcw_home> addf encoder.update-counters basethread
[22:59:00] <pcw_home> addf encoder.capture-position servothread
[22:59:51] <Tom_itx> not the individual instance?
[23:00:05] <pcw_home> Nope
[23:00:53] <GammaX> pcw_home, Tom_itx
http://pastebin.com/UhMEPMUp
[23:01:16] <Tom_itx> no
[23:01:25] <Tom_itx> change the addf lines
[23:01:28] <Tom_itx> to what pcw said
[23:01:51] <GammaX> so replace those with the ones on the bottom of the page?
[23:01:53] <Tom_itx> on the encoder at least
[23:02:18] <Tom_itx> addf encoder.update-counters basethread
[23:02:20] <Tom_itx> addf encoder.capture-position servothread
[23:02:47] <GammaX> got it
[23:02:54] <GammaX> leaving addf scale.- base-thread
[23:03:03] <Tom_itx> or base-thread whatever the proper syntax is
[23:03:12] <Tom_itx> as far as i know yes
[23:03:15] <Tom_itx> on the scale one
[23:03:16] <GammaX> ok
[23:03:20] <Tom_itx> ask pcw_home
[23:04:01] <GammaX> pcw_home, how does this look?
http://pastebin.com/97Pp0EUN
[23:04:21] <Tom_itx> and that may be 'addf scale base-thread' instead of 'addf scale.0 base-thread'
[23:04:26] <Tom_itx> i'm not entirely sure
[23:05:53] <Tom_itx> it should be pretty close but i haven't used the software functions since i use mesa cards
[23:06:10] <GammaX> I want mesa but im not gonna use it for steppers.... only servos
[23:06:21] <Tom_itx> same here
[23:06:32] <GammaX> no point in it in my opinion
[23:07:06] <Tom_itx> much better step rates
[23:07:30] <GammaX> how much better though?
[23:07:43] <Tom_itx> iirc the mesa cards use a 50Mhz clock
[23:07:56] <Tom_itx> i bet pcw could tell you
[23:08:07] <GammaX> mehes not responding :(
[23:08:25] <Tom_itx> it's not that far off though
[23:08:40] <GammaX> Tom_itx, you make any production stuff for sale on your machines or strictly hobby?
[23:08:51] <pcw_home> people commonly see a 20% to 60% increase in usable velocities
[23:08:54] <Tom_itx> minor production but mostly hobby
[23:09:14] <GammaX> 20-60 is a big diff lol
[23:09:23] <Tom_itx> machines vary alot too
[23:09:27] <GammaX> well 20 I wouldnt waste hte money.... 60 i would deff!
[23:09:30] <pcw_home> with a hardware stepgen (anyones, not just ours)
[23:09:48] <Tom_itx> but yours rocks!
[23:09:50] <GammaX> ahhh thats right pcw_home you work at mesa. do you own it?
[23:10:23] <pcw_home> also for step servos with 100KHZ or higher step rate needed for full speed
[23:11:15] <pcw_home> or 32X or better ustepping
[23:11:20] <Tom_itx> if you're gonna run 5 axis, parport imo would be silly
[23:11:29] <GammaX> i agree with that one
[23:12:09] <Tom_itx> i'm out
[23:12:15] <GammaX> later man.
[23:12:19] <pcw_home> 'nite
[23:12:27] <GammaX> pcw_home, what you think about above patebin ^^?
[23:13:48] <pcw_home> looks vaguely correct...
[23:14:13] <GammaX> well that sounds good in my book! You have any used or returned merchandise on sale? :D
[23:15:06] <pcw_home> sometimes
[23:15:12] <pcw_home> blems
[23:15:25] <GammaX> oh and when I said waste my money on a mesa product it was not to be in a derogatory sense... I love you guys. I just wouldnt want to put such a nice piece of hardware into a stepper setup lol
[23:15:45] <GammaX> got any 6i25 blems?
[23:15:48] <pcw_home> you can also try stuff in halrun a bit at a time
[23:15:55] <GammaX> in stock?
[23:16:08] <pcw_home> I can check tomorrow
[23:16:23] <GammaX> that would be great, Id love to get one of them!
[23:17:52] <GammaX> the price isnt bad at all... im just broke and need to focus on making money before spending it... although if you have a blem.... I might be able to work that out. I had a 5i20 with all breakout boards and my stupid step mother threw it out along with my supermax!!!! lol Was in afghanistan past her "deadline"
[23:19:01] <pcw_home> Ouch
[23:19:08] <GammaX> yeah that hurt...
[23:19:43] <pcw_home> bbl eyelids drooping...
[23:19:56] <GammaX> now I have a pm45 with steppers and a hardinge hc with the same damn anilam controler I replaced on the supermax with your stuff! Makes me Angry thinkin about it lol
[23:20:00] <GammaX> later man, thanks
