#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-22

[00:38:26] <confrey> hi everybody
[00:38:43] <confrey> I'mlookingfor some help
[00:39:43] <confrey> I installed LinuxCNC distribution, but my notebook doen't start with rtai kernel,it stops soon
[00:50:29] <Aero-Tec> looks like the lathes not working ether
[00:50:42] <Aero-Tec> thought it was, and it might have been
[00:51:06] <Aero-Tec> ran chown and changed owner
[00:51:23] <Aero-Tec> if it was working, now it is not
[00:51:38] <gammax-Laptop1> I need the name for a site...
[00:51:54] <gammax-Laptop1> Im opening a business and will be making conversion kits for mills and lathes to be cnc...
[00:52:04] <gammax-Laptop1> Any thoughts guys?
[00:52:23] <Aero-Tec> gammaxcnc
[00:52:50] <Aero-Tec> gammax custom cnc
[00:53:14] <gammax-Laptop1> lol something people will go to
[00:53:37] <Aero-Tec> worlds best cnc guy
[00:53:46] <Aero-Tec> lol
[00:54:06] <Aero-Tec> the one stop shop for cnc
[00:54:22] <Aero-Tec> mighty mouse cnc
[00:54:25] <Aero-Tec> lol
[00:54:41] <Aero-Tec> what did you have in mind?
[00:54:42] <gammax-Laptop1> lol
[00:55:21] <Aero-Tec> hanks cnc shop
[00:55:32] <Aero-Tec> or fred or what ever
[00:55:56] <Aero-Tec> king of the hill cnc
[00:56:05] <Aero-Tec> am I getting close?
[00:56:10] <Aero-Tec> any help?
[00:56:12] <Aero-Tec> lol
[00:56:53] <Aero-Tec> super duper cnc
[00:57:08] <Aero-Tec> the cnc guy
[00:57:17] <Aero-Tec> your cnc guy
[00:57:25] <Aero-Tec> every ones cnc guy
[00:57:27] <Aero-Tec> lol
[00:57:37] <Aero-Tec> should I keep going?
[00:59:43] <gammax-Laptop1> no
[00:59:47] <gammax-Laptop1> there just getting worse
[00:59:48] <gammax-Laptop1> ol
[01:00:15] <Aero-Tec> what did you have in mind?
[01:01:18] <Aero-Tec> hitech cnc
[01:01:28] <Aero-Tec> complete cnc
[01:02:27] <Aero-Tec> cnc retrofit central
[01:02:43] <Aero-Tec> is that more to your liking?
[01:03:36] <Aero-Tec> or am I fired?
[01:03:38] <Aero-Tec> lol
[01:08:50] <Aero-Tec> well I tried
[01:09:02] <Aero-Tec> good luck with the new biz
[01:09:34] <Aero-Tec> gammax-Laptop1: BTW where are you located?
[01:10:03] <gammax-Laptop1> Denver
[01:10:21] <gammax-Laptop1> Im thinkin about tridentcnc.com
[01:10:50] <Aero-Tec> that works
[01:11:02] <Aero-Tec> as good as any
[01:12:17] <gammax-Laptop1> yeah...
[01:12:19] <gammax-Laptop1> I figured
[01:13:24] <archivist> until you find it is a name in use http://www.trident-cnc.com.tw/
[01:14:24] <archivist> also check the trademark register
[01:21:03] <sensenku> Hi EVERYONE
[01:21:48] <sensenku> how are you?
[01:22:04] <sensenku> I ave a lot of questions, who can help me?
[01:22:54] <archivist> just ask the real questions
[01:23:57] <sensenku> archivist, ok. can I cut or engrave smth in laser engraver and cutter machine?
[01:25:38] <archivist> yes/no/maybe/insufficient data for meaningful answer
[01:26:36] <sensenku> No one could answer? :(
[01:26:49] <Aero-Tec> they did
[01:27:00] <Aero-Tec> more info would help
[01:27:30] <Aero-Tec> if your wanting info on laser
[01:27:45] <Aero-Tec> and wanting to engrave and cut
[01:28:12] <Aero-Tec> when a 40 watt, maybe even 60 watt will do
[01:28:16] <gammax-Laptop1> anyone good with photoshop?
[01:28:31] <Aero-Tec> will depeand on what your wanting to cut and how fast
[01:28:33] <archivist> gammax-Laptop1, I use gimp
[01:28:33] <gammax-Laptop1> or a free version varient? I need something edited and im not so up on my skills!
[01:28:56] <gammax-Laptop1> archivist, that may do the job... I dont need anything crazy done my logo finished up.
[01:29:05] <archivist> one can be "inventive" with images
[01:29:25] <Aero-Tec> lasers over 60 watts are not so good for engraving, so I hear
[01:29:47] <Aero-Tec> they say 40 watts is betterfor engraving things
[01:29:54] <gammax-Laptop1> from what I know a 60watt will sinter.
[01:30:00] <archivist> I often cheat an take a picture off axis to avoid flash reflections and pull it back into shape in gimp
[01:30:07] <sensenku> Aero-Tec, yes I want to know if it s possible in Linux, in my work all uses windows and I love open source and Linux, and want to integrate fully Ubuntu
[01:30:19] <sensenku> thats why I want to learn LinuxCNC
[01:30:50] <archivist> the answer is yes some learning required, people are doing it
[01:31:02] <Aero-Tec> linuxcnc will run a laser
[01:31:28] <Aero-Tec> much learning is needed
[01:31:54] <sensenku> my Laer is 80W
[01:32:14] <sensenku> is it nice for engraving and cutting on LinuxCNC?
[01:32:42] <Aero-Tec> I want to do laser work as well some day, was looking into what I should get
[01:32:57] <Aero-Tec> thinking bigger is better....LOL
[01:33:25] <Aero-Tec> but read that 40 is better if your wanting to engrave things
[01:33:55] <Aero-Tec> as the power levels can be turned down to engraving levels
[01:33:57] <sensenku> it s a Laser Engraver and cutter machine , model is 1290
[01:35:04] <sensenku> https://www.google.az/search?q=1290+laser&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:ru:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=ru&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=r2OcUafxMYXl4QTCu4DYDg&biw=1429&bih=789&sei=tGOcUeCwBsL_4QSrp4CoCA#imgrc=Qk8eSHTYKPEBLM%3A%3B4yJ_I8j9evEvDM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.lulusoso.com%252Fupload%252F20120612%252FJK1290_Laser_cutting_machine.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.lulusoso.com%252Fproducts%252FWood-Cutting-Mac
[01:35:08] <sensenku> this one
[01:35:47] <Aero-Tec> some things can be engraved with high power, some things are distroyed with the higher power
[01:35:59] <Aero-Tec> so I have read
[01:36:14] <Aero-Tec> but what do I know, never ran a laser
[01:36:28] <Aero-Tec> hope to soon
[01:36:30] <sensenku> wooooow, so I have to test, but I do not now where to start?
[01:36:45] <sensenku> and we have a wood miling machine too
[01:37:05] <Aero-Tec> what are you engraving?
[01:37:11] <sensenku> and I d like to run linuxcnc to cur and engrave woods or other materials
[01:37:25] <Aero-Tec> very doable
[01:37:44] <Aero-Tec> and would be a good choise
[01:37:46] <gammax-Laptop1> is there a line tool in gimp?
[01:38:24] <Aero-Tec> but the learning curve can be high, depending on what your wanting to do
[01:39:02] <sensenku> I know Corel Draw and will integrate to Inkscape soon
[01:39:20] <sensenku> because it s very nice tool in Linux
[01:46:23] <archivist> gammax-Laptop1, yes, the path tool
[01:51:50] <gammax-Laptop1> archivist, what do you think about company name tridentcnc
[01:52:00] <gammax-Laptop1> also as an online ecommerce site
[01:53:05] <archivist> well ok except there is a trident cnc in tw
[01:53:19] <archivist> so a trademark overlap
[01:54:21] <archivist> they could already own Trident in your country for use in the cnc market
[01:54:54] <archivist> but there is an online tool for checking
[01:55:35] <gammax-Laptop1> well i already got the site tridentcnc.com lol
[01:56:26] <gammax-Laptop1> ohhh thaiwan not tennesee lol
[01:56:29] <gammax-Laptop1> yeah im in us
[02:00:12] <archivist> usa has 342 trident based trademarks
[02:00:37] <gammax-Laptop1> anything for tridentcnc
[02:01:10] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:06:10] <archivist> it is a really crap search interface
[02:07:05] <archivist> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4805:q5qka8.1.1
[02:08:39] <DJ9DJ> "This search session has expired. Please start a search session again by clicking on the TRADEMARK icon, if you wish to continue." hrhr
[02:08:45] <archivist> http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/process/search/Tess_tips.jsp
[02:09:09] <archivist> start your own session, it is a crappy system!
[02:09:59] <archivist> one of those sites where one cannot pass a link to your results
[02:10:06] <DJ9DJ> hihi
[02:10:39] <DJ9DJ> I start rolling my eyes when I see those gate.exe in the URL ;)
[02:13:35] <Aero-Tec> got it working
[02:14:43] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files:/home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[02:14:49] <Aero-Tec> does not work
[02:15:36] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files
[02:15:55] <Aero-Tec> and the sub file in the dir works
[02:16:35] <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[02:16:43] <Aero-Tec> needs to be in the
[02:16:51] <gammax-Laptop1> archivist, yeah I think im good in the us with that one, sound good? I was gonna with with automation sumtin blah blah blah
[02:17:07] <Aero-Tec> [RS274NGC]
[02:17:14] <Aero-Tec> section to work
[02:17:53] <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[02:18:07] <Aero-Tec> in the display section does not work
[02:18:48] <Aero-Tec> note to self "read the direction more closly and save time and frustration"
[02:19:19] <Aero-Tec> fun fun fun
[02:21:21] <Aero-Tec> like someone said, it will be something very simple when the problem is found
[02:21:35] <Aero-Tec> and it was
[02:24:23] <Aero-Tec> thanks every one for all the help and suggestions
[02:26:39] <archivist> gammax-Laptop1, I just want you to avoid not owning your own trademark so someone comes later and steals your name remember EMC2
[02:27:23] <archivist> we were using the name before EMC trademarked EMC 2
[02:27:51] <gammax-Laptop1> ahhhh yes!
[02:34:28] <archivist> gammax-Laptop1, way back in the 1980's I registered a name over here, they even let me register a name against the rules, never used it in anger :)
[02:35:04] <asdfasd> archivist: what happened with emc2 trademark?
[02:35:06] <gammax-Laptop1> did linuxcnc get sued?
[02:35:16] <archivist> name must not imply quality of service or product
[02:35:40] <archivist> they threatened to sue
[02:36:25] <gammax-Laptop1> who did they contact?
[02:36:30] <archivist> asdfasd, this project did not buy its trademark that was the problem
[02:39:56] <asdfasd> archivist: sue? for something free? cant imagine if that was a paid product...
[02:41:12] <archivist> like this too http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130513135507864
[02:42:13] <archivist> one has to oppose the application by showing prior use
[02:43:10] <gammax-Laptop1> archivist, so why dont we all double down?
[02:43:54] <archivist> dunno what you are asking
[02:45:15] <gammax-Laptop1> cant we fight what emc2 did to us?
[02:46:31] <archivist> we should have but the board met in secret and changed name instead
[02:47:13] <archivist> first we knew was after decision to change name
[02:47:40] <gammax-Laptop1> thats lame
[02:47:44] <gammax-Laptop1> id go down fighting in flames
[02:47:57] <gammax-Laptop1> even with a lawyers recomendation
[02:50:04] <archivist> who pays, this is a project without funds
[02:54:06] <gammax-Laptop1> very true..
[02:56:08] <gammax-Laptop1> Im bad at logos...this is kicking my ass
[02:56:10] <sensenku> what CAD CAM software is prefered in Linux??
[02:58:08] <archivist> how long is a piece of string
[02:58:47] <sensenku> 120 cmx180 cm
[02:59:10] <archivist> cam is rather a poor relation http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[03:05:57] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:07:33] <Tom_itx> GammaX-another, mile high cnc conversions
[04:07:51] <GammaX-another> Tom_itx, yeah i thought about it but its too... local
[04:08:11] <Tom_itx> comes with a free bag of weed
[04:08:33] <GammaX-another> lol
[10:32:54] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[10:49:39] <chopper79> Hello all, I have gotten the plasma machine up and running and the THC working (most of the way). I have two issues that I need some help with. #1 is I am having a slight issue with heigth while cutting. When the THC is active the cutting height is higher then the programmed height. The THC is set for lets say 125v and the Gcode is .15 pierce height, and a 0.06 cut height. The actual cut height is about .135 which is way above the programmed height of .0
[10:52:38] <chopper79> to complicate things I guess I shoud also say that when the THC is not active the cut height is high also so I guess its high regardless. The Z always returns to zero and is dead on with my scaling. I am using a floating head so maybe its a proam issue to account for the floating head switch lenght?
[10:53:13] <chopper79> *program
[10:54:09] <IchGuckLive> still reading ch
[10:55:03] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: is it a Hypertherm
[10:55:10] <IchGuckLive> powermax 45
[10:55:13] <chopper79> 65
[10:55:36] <IchGuckLive> i got 116.3V to be the best settings on the THC
[10:55:57] <chopper79> regardless of material thickness?
[10:56:48] <IchGuckLive> yes no different but i use only 2mm and 4mm parts
[10:56:54] <IchGuckLive> i never got more
[10:57:34] <IchGuckLive> do you got unshielded nozzle
[10:57:40] <chopper79> I have changed the voltage from 135 -85 and same issues
[10:57:51] <chopper79> I have both and have tried both consumables
[10:59:11] <IchGuckLive> ok then get the HaL watch to your pins up down and go for a long cut manual move the Z stepper and see if it is reaktink propper
[11:00:01] <chopper79> When the THC is not active and I program the cut height for 0 then I am about .07 above the material.
[11:00:22] <IchGuckLive> did you clear all the G92
[11:00:44] <chopper79> Yes, so I think its either the material flexing and the making the height different maybe.
[11:00:48] <IchGuckLive> in axis Mashine coordinat system press al the stuff
[11:01:13] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: what happens if you change programmed height
[11:01:34] <chopper79> When the THC is not active and I program the cut height for 0 then I am about .07 above the material.
[11:01:56] <chopper79> If I program for 0.06 then im up around .13 or so.
[11:03:12] <chopper79> so about double the program height with or without THC active. Could it be the flex in the steel during probing?
[11:05:23] <IchGuckLive> ofcause
[11:05:49] <IchGuckLive> do you probe etch contour
[11:05:58] <chopper79> yes
[11:05:59] <IchGuckLive> or only once
[11:06:13] <chopper79> each time a new cut is started
[11:06:19] <IchGuckLive> is the table that troublening
[11:06:46] <chopper79> dont understand
[11:07:04] <IchGuckLive> from corner to corner whats the able height difference
[11:07:34] <chopper79> .005
[11:07:39] <chopper79> "
[11:07:58] <IchGuckLive> the 65 can start plasma from 5.5mm thats 0,21"
[11:08:11] <IchGuckLive> si if you pirce from 0.15
[11:08:30] <IchGuckLive> No factor to probe etch
[11:08:55] <IchGuckLive> when the thc starts it shoudt correct that
[11:09:02] <chopper79> agreed
[11:09:03] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[11:09:41] <LokiScarlet> Hi. Sorry if I'm asking something stupid, such as if I simply missed what I'm looking for in plain sight. I do that a lot. But I can't seem to find how to login to the livecd
[11:09:49] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: do you got a pendant on the system
[11:09:58] <chopper79> no pendent
[11:10:30] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: hi did you command this on my youtube channel
[11:10:46] <IchGuckLive> as there are now more and more questions on this
[11:11:00] <IchGuckLive> the livecd has no login
[11:11:18] <LokiScarlet> ........ It's prompting me for one
[11:11:23] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: do you use a pyvcp
[11:11:34] <chopper79> yes
[11:11:46] <LokiScarlet> I'm getting a gnome desktop manager login screen and it prompts for a login.
[11:11:56] <IchGuckLive> get a button and probe by button on a position that has Z support
[11:12:38] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: its the root paswort that you set at the setup but not on livecd
[11:13:16] <LokiScarlet> I'm booting to the livecd. It's asking me to login, and blank fields == auth failure
[11:13:51] <IchGuckLive> its the new livcd when did you download it
[11:14:16] <frallzor> sure its the livecd from the linuxcnc site? =)
[11:14:36] <IchGuckLive> let me check it 5min
[11:14:38] <roh> usernames cannot be left empty on logins on any unix i know.
[11:14:42] <LokiScarlet> I downloaded it on the eighth.
[11:15:02] <LokiScarlet> From linuxcnc's site
[11:15:53] <LokiScarlet> ... I'm not trying to use enter as punctuation either, I just suddenly realize I forgot to say part and like a fool I just type it soon as I realize it -_-
[11:15:56] <IchGuckLive> im pulling
[11:16:06] <chopper79> Ich: I will look into that.
[11:17:18] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: i did a button and got a M200 user Mcode for it to G38 and G92 Z0 the part
[11:17:35] <IchGuckLive> Butten then cals M200
[11:17:55] <IchGuckLive> iso is in and cd-r is 2
[11:19:09] <chopper79> Next question is when the THC is active the Z axis will sometimes loose its mind and rapid up after a cut and smash into the limit switch. Its almost like its not seeing the proper positions after running thorugh the comp file. When this happens the velocity stays active and will not let me home or anything until I diable the THC by the check bock on the pyvcp panel
[11:20:10] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: is the Zaxis reversed in thep inlayout
[11:20:14] <chopper79> So I am thinking that the z axis is getting confused when running throught he thcud comp file. Alsmost like the position information is wrong or its stuck in an active mode to keep the Z hi-jacked
[11:20:17] <IchGuckLive> Pinöaypout
[11:20:24] <chopper79> No its as normal
[11:20:34] <chopper79> The Z works fine without the THc active
[11:20:37] <chopper79> HC
[11:20:38] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: burn ok
[11:21:38] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: then i guess the THC looses the Voltige
[11:22:31] <chopper79> Yes if the arc dies during a cut then this is when the Z axis has the wierd velocity issue.
[11:23:04] <IchGuckLive> you can hack the comp to discover the Z
[11:23:16] * LokiScarlet will be back in a minute, has to pick up a package
[11:23:19] <IchGuckLive> and stop THC by hardcode Z max
[11:23:31] <Jymmm> THC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:23:58] <chopper79> lol
[11:24:08] <chopper79> Ich: not sure how to do this
[11:26:18] <LokiScarlet> Back :#
[11:26:21] <LokiScarlet> *:3
[11:26:47] <Tecan> usually takes longer to get weed
[11:27:46] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: im afraid but no login im up and running
[11:28:10] <LokiScarlet> IchGuckLive: That's freaking bizarre.
[11:28:37] <LokiScarlet> I'll try another reboot, might be a fluke
[11:29:54] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: comp is thcud
[11:30:28] <chopper79> yes
[11:31:03] <chopper79> BRB im going to log on with the computer on the plasma table
[11:33:17] <LokiScarlet> IchGuckLive: How many bytes your ISO taking up? Mine shows 726855680 bytes
[11:34:39] <Jymmm> Dont go by filesize, use MD5 or SHA1 instead.
[11:35:05] <IchGuckLive> 726855680 Byte
[11:35:36] <Jymmm> md5sum filename.iso (on most systems)
[11:36:32] <IchGuckLive> 76dc2416b917679b71255e464ede84ec
[11:39:43] <LokiScarlet> ..... Well, I guess I'll see when this thing finally boots, if it'll give me a login screen again
[11:40:27] <IchGuckLive> you stardet with tryout not installing
[11:41:59] <LokiScarlet> I didn't get asked for tryout or install last boot, just login. It's taking forever to boot so I don't know about this time yet. Could even be a bad drive. I already had to swap one out cause it wouldn't load :\
[11:42:40] <Jymmm> LokiScarlet: Did you checksum and burn the iso at 4x speed?
[11:42:57] <IchGuckLive> the livecd shoudt prompt for Language first then ask fortryout
[11:43:07] <LokiScarlet> Jymmm: I slept since then
[11:44:14] <chopper791> Im back ich
[11:45:19] <Jymmm> LokiScarlet: And I just scratched my ass. What does that have to do with anything?
[11:45:43] <LokiScarlet> Jymmm: Does scratching your ass affect your memory?
[11:46:00] <Jymmm> LokiScarlet: Fine, good luck!
[11:46:27] <IchGuckLive> chopper791: querry
[11:46:36] <PetefromTn> what's all the ass scratching going on in here?
[11:46:38] <LokiScarlet> Jeez, was just saiyan, don't remember. Wasn't tryin' to offend you.
[11:48:10] <LokiScarlet> Reburning it. I mean, I do always tell it to verify after burning, but I'd might as well try everything I can
[11:48:35] <Jymmm> LokiScarlet: checksum the iso first.
[11:49:04] <LokiScarlet> 76dc2416b917679b71255e464ede84ec same as his.
[11:49:09] <IchGuckLive> chopper791: ?
[11:49:10] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: chck md5 first
[11:49:12] <IchGuckLive> check
[11:49:20] <BJfreeman> has anyone ported to debian 7 A13
[11:49:28] <chopper791> Whats up?
[11:49:43] <IchGuckLive> chopper791: thcud mod is in querry
[11:50:08] <IchGuckLive> you shoudt see my name seperate somewhere in your cliend
[11:50:44] <LokiScarlet> >tell brasero to only burn at 4x speed; >20-21x; what the fsck, Brasero?
[11:51:34] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: do you try to burn a livecd image from a livcd linuxsystem ?
[11:51:55] <LokiScarlet> IchGuckLive: Nope. CentOS.
[11:52:01] <IchGuckLive> ok
[11:52:13] <chopper791> looking at it now
[11:52:28] <IchGuckLive> post in querry
[11:53:01] * LokiScarlet is running md5sum /dev/cdrom manually to compare it to the iso's sum, because in paranoid mode now
[11:53:58] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: this may take alot time
[11:54:15] <IchGuckLive> just try it if the cd is burned
[11:56:35] <LokiScarlet> At 3 megs a second, which was the write speed, the read speed's probably higher than that, this should only take a few minutes. This CD should not have provoked my paranoia.
[11:57:03] <IchGuckLive> O.O B)
[11:57:11] <IchGuckLive> im off 5min
[11:57:51] <LokiScarlet> I'm betting the machine I'm trying to boot it to has a bad drive again, though
[11:57:59] <LokiScarlet> The thing's 7 years old, the other one was 9
[12:01:35] * LokiScarlet forgot to pass it through dd with a specific amount of bytes
[12:02:16] <LokiScarlet> ..... As Bill O'Reilly said, #### it, we'll do it live
[12:03:01] <jdh> who is that?
[12:04:30] <LokiScarlet> Bill O'Reilly? Ngeh, some mindless far-right on TV
[12:05:02] <jdh> ahh... quoting your idols. I see.
[12:05:13] <LokiScarlet> >idol
[12:05:40] <LokiScarlet> Pleeeease tell me you're new to English. I don't idolize such awful people
[12:06:36] <IchGuckLive> im in germany Back
[12:07:01] <IchGuckLive> and my denglish is good to go with a girlfriend B)
[12:09:55] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: fellow german, your english is HORRIBLE!
[12:10:36] <LokiScarlet> ... So jdh == IchGuckLive ?
[12:11:00] <IchGuckLive> B) O.O
[12:13:14] * LokiScarlet trying to interpret the sequence of faces
[12:14:43] <LokiScarlet> So far so got a desktop :3
[12:16:10] <Loetmichel> LokiScarlet: thats easy, thats mine: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13841
[12:16:15] <Loetmichel> :-)
[12:18:19] <LokiScarlet> Loetmichel: I'd link mine buuuuuuuut I'm at work and I don't have any uploaded to my site.
[12:18:53] <Loetmichel> more "usual" face: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14070
[12:19:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5077
[12:19:18] <Loetmichel> <- not smiling so often ;-)
[12:19:19] <frallzor> thats a typical german face!
[12:19:47] <frallzor> grumpy grumpy germans!
[12:21:15] <Loetmichel> <- can do! http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=9080 (once or twice a year ;-)
[12:21:21] <GammaX-another> would it be bad to have 1 tick mark on the spindle encoder? or would I get more precise with more?
[12:22:10] <pcw_home> you mean one count per turn vs more?
[12:22:25] <Loetmichel> depends.
[12:22:42] <Loetmichel> ich you want to stabilize the spindle speed one tic may be enough
[12:22:55] <Loetmichel> if you want rigid tapping: no way!
[12:23:02] <Loetmichel> s/ich/if
[12:24:01] <LokiScarlet> http://i44.tinypic.com/10s4vpl.jpg <- Me with photoshopped eyes. It's my facebook pic, thus why it's so dumb looking and shooped
[12:24:52] <Loetmichel> hrhr, a grunge kid ;-)
[12:24:53] * LokiScarlet believes it is a tradition to make sure you upload only stupid pictures to facebook, no good ones
[12:25:10] * Loetmichel hs no FB account. MUCH better ;-)
[12:27:38] <LokiScarlet> Grunge... Not sure if I've even heard any grunge. I'm one of those weird people
[12:27:58] <LokiScarlet> The kind of weird people who just listen to whatever sounds good to their ears :3
[12:30:34] <Loetmichel> LokiScarlet: 1+
[12:30:50] <Loetmichel> my server here has about 30gb of abba to zztop ;-)
[12:30:58] <Loetmichel> and anything in between ;-)
[12:38:40] <LokiScarlet> I used to hate music. Then I heard good music. Started with good charlotte when I was an edgy angsty teenager. Then weird al, then got my hands on a copy of guitar hero, and expanded exponentially like the universe
[12:38:55] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: did the livecd work now
[12:39:13] <LokiScarlet> Ich: THe install doesn't seem to wanna load :\
[12:40:28] <IchGuckLive> does the prompt screen go up
[12:40:32] <IchGuckLive> language
[12:40:55] <LokiScarlet> Nothing. I doubleclick the install or highlight it and hit enter and nothing
[12:41:20] <LokiScarlet> At least I'm at the desktop environment :3
[12:41:47] <IchGuckLive> wear
[12:42:09] <Loetmichel> LokiScarlet: ch is checked for burn errors?
[12:42:11] <Loetmichel> cd
[12:43:48] <LokiScarlet> Yeah I didn't see a single error. :\ Thinking it's the drive. Last disk, it loaded the login once and wouldn't boot at all after that
[12:44:14] <LokiScarlet> This disk, it loads the desktop but can't load the installer? Yeeeah sounds a bit flaky to me
[12:47:08] <Loetmichel> tried to use a stick?
[12:47:16] <Loetmichel> usb flashdrive i meant
[12:47:29] <Loetmichel> faster, more reliable
[12:49:04] <LokiScarlet> I've tried to use a USB CD drive. Not tried a stick but the computer is probably just old enough not to support USB booting while having "USB" listed in the BIOS options
[12:49:33] <LokiScarlet> The USB CD just is not recognized in the BIOS, whereas it is by newer machines
[13:18:54] <tjtr33> yesterday someone posted about Chiron machines and thier 'basket tool changer' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-VqZZPGLUE is this unique to Chiron?
[13:18:56] <tjtr33> on large sink EDMs with 800mm/min rapids and 2 or 3 meter to a rack, this is very appealing!
[13:19:50] <tjtr33> its like the spider used on the minitoolchanger .com, but an atc for each tool, arranged radially
[13:27:19] <tjtr33> hmm no tool prep, just optional put-away(), always get-tool() hmm
[13:29:23] <tjtr33> and could be a sparse array ( they recommend skipping adjacent atc's if the tool is large ) ( old rack trick )
[13:29:59] <andypugh> I am pretty sure I have seen them on other things on Youtube.
[13:31:29] <tjtr33> been lookin, there are a few vids but all chiron so far. think the raial pin array at bottom of spindle is alignnmet or spray?
[13:31:39] <tjtr33> radial
[13:32:28] <FinboySlick> tjtr33: I think it's spray.
[13:32:47] <FinboySlick> tjtr33: If they're the pins I think, they shot coolant in one of the vids.
[13:33:18] <FinboySlick> Hmmm, not sure anymore.
[13:33:25] <FinboySlick> the ones I saw were brass.
[13:34:29] <tjtr33> could be both, a simple alignment for the collar AND selectable flush
[13:35:03] <FinboySlick> tjtr33: The spray I saw while changing tools seemed to come straight out of the taper.
[13:35:07] <andypugh> it doesn't even look to be complicated mechanically. Just an air cylinder for each tool. Even the relative motion of the basket and the spindle can be achieved with a spring and the spindle actuator.
[13:35:42] <andypugh> If you do it that way, though, you lose a taper-length of spindle travel.
[13:35:51] <FinboySlick> I like the actuated clasp tool.
[13:36:09] <PetefromTn> Chiron toolchanger looks real fast...
[13:36:24] <Connor> Claim to be the fastest..
[13:36:36] <FinboySlick> It saves a lot of motion, that's for sure.
[13:36:52] <FinboySlick> You only move enough to clear Z and you're set.
[13:37:44] <PetefromTn> Hood is doing one over on Machsupport...
[13:37:48] <PetefromTn> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=6lui1ajpm9k7ckfta34fkvetp7&topic=22495.0
[13:37:55] <tjtr33> andypugh, yes some stroke sacrificed to tool changer only. good point ( gotta make overall stroke longer by clamping len :)
[13:37:57] <PetefromTn> forgive the competitive link.
[13:38:20] <andypugh> This toolchanger doesn't mess about either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5aC5Kpvibc
[13:38:21] <Tecan> (L5aC5Kpvibc) "Watch This Fast CNC Machine" by "brothersocal" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:52
[13:38:22] <frallzor> controlling VFD via modbus, is it hard to understand what ones VFD need to work besides the RS485 interface? =)
[13:38:40] <frallzor> or are there univerals commands to use for simple start-stop etc
[13:40:21] <andypugh> A Mach conversion of a Chiron seems like madness to me
[13:40:37] <Aero-Tec> stay away from mach
[13:40:49] <frallzor> mach is the devils work
[13:40:51] <Aero-Tec> I started with mach, bad bad idea
[13:41:10] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeQ2rooVrPU
[13:41:10] <Tecan> (qeQ2rooVrPU) "Chiron FZ16 mit EMC2 bei 12m/min vorschub" by "cncready" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:02
[13:41:13] <Aero-Tec> loving EMC
[13:41:24] <frallzor> mach is good though, if you want to pay for the less good alternative =P
[13:41:30] <PetefromTn> I figured you would say that here ya go...
[13:41:31] <FinboySlick> Even that old beaten chiron must be quite a wonder.
[13:41:50] <Aero-Tec> or linuxcnc
[13:42:31] <Aero-Tec> had nothing but greef with mach
[13:42:58] <FinboySlick> One thing with a moving column like those chiron is that you always have a very good idea how much mass you're moving.
[13:43:01] <andypugh> Ah, that LinuxCNC Chiron is the other basket toolchange i have seen, so it was a Chiron.
[13:43:08] <Aero-Tec> BTW I for my file subs working
[13:43:21] <Aero-Tec> thanks to all that helped out with the problem
[13:43:27] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: What was it?
[13:43:43] <Aero-Tec> got it fixed at around 1 am
[13:44:04] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> got it working
[13:44:04] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files:/home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[13:44:04] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> does not work
[13:44:04] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files
[13:44:04] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> and the sub file in the dir works
[13:44:04] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[13:44:04] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> needs to be in the
[13:44:11] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> [RS274NGC]
[13:44:11] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> section to work
[13:44:11] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[13:44:11] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> in the display section does not work
[13:44:11] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> note to self "read the direction more closly and save time and frustration"
[13:44:11] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> fun fun fun
[13:44:16] <PetefromTn> so do these chirons have the need for spindle orientation then?
[13:44:36] <PetefromTn> I mean I am sure it rigid taps but no carousel
[13:44:42] <PetefromTn> or vertical rig
[13:45:23] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn: From previous videos, they use a clamp/grabber in the spinde to move parts with that basket toolchanger.
[13:45:30] <andypugh> I have an idea for a simple carousel for my mill, where the spindle+axes move the carousel round. That would require the spindle to rotate while moving the carousel, though, to keep the tool alignment. Sounds like fun :-)
[13:45:33] <FinboySlick> So they seem to always know how the tool is orientated.
[13:46:20] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, afaict the spindle needs a single position, the tools are set accorrding to thier positon and the single spindle position
[13:46:31] <andypugh> spindle orientation isn't hard in principle, I intend to have it on my mill, and that is just a VFD and 3-phase motor.
[13:46:55] <PetefromTn> andypugh Yeah I know but it would be nice to NOT need it in a VMC retrofit LOL.
[13:47:16] <andypugh> It's just a bit of HAL config.
[13:47:23] <Aero-Tec> so with a 20 ppr encoder can I do rigid tapping on my lathe now?
[13:47:39] <Connor> with index?
[13:47:42] <Aero-Tec> yes
[13:47:45] <Connor> they yea.
[13:47:48] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: You ought to be able to, yes. (as long as there is an index)
[13:48:03] <Aero-Tec> cool
[13:48:39] <andypugh> You can probably simulate an index, just by dividing down the pulses.
[13:48:45] <Aero-Tec> just need a speed and motor control now to finish it off
[13:49:06] <Aero-Tec> so I can do rigid tapping
[13:49:20] <Connor> PetefromTn: Is there a place locally we can get endmills from ?
[13:49:30] <Aero-Tec> right now it is manual belt drive
[13:51:18] <Connor> Question, when using TTS.. Should be tool fall out when PDB is compressing the springs? I can pull it out.. no problem.. and sometimes they drop down just a tad.. but, don't fall out..
[13:51:44] <Connor> be = the
[13:52:25] <PetefromTn> ..damn storms!
[13:52:33] <Connor> PetefromTn: Is their a place locally we can buy endmills from ?
[13:53:22] <PetefromTn> Connor well there is a travers tool shop down here in maryville, or at least there was. I dunno why you would want to buy one locally tho you get them cheaper and in more abundance online of course.
[13:53:54] <Connor> Just nice to know if I'm in a bind or something.
[13:53:56] <PetefromTn> What are you looking for.
[13:54:11] <PetefromTn> Dunno if grainger sells them or not.
[13:54:20] <Connor> Nothing as of yet.. I was looking for some 4 flute ones steel work..
[13:54:24] <PetefromTn> Mcmaster can get them to you almost overnight...
[13:55:00] <PetefromTn> I told you I got the steel right, I've also got some cutters that will work.
[13:55:34] <PetefromTn> Are you getting the nasty lightning and thunder we are?
[13:55:53] <Connor> I have 1/8. 1/4, 3/8, 7/16, and 1/2 all 2 flute. (have 2 each of most.. save the 7/16)
[13:56:13] <Connor> Had a quick pass of some nasty weather.. it's died down now.. little bit of rumble far off.
[13:56:59] <Connor> I like using the 3/8".. Kinda the butter zone.. not to big.. not too small..
[13:57:08] <PetefromTn> hmm... I started making a fly cutter for my machine earlier but stopped for lunch. Gonna be stainless like the one I made for the RF45.
[13:57:25] <PetefromTn> Don't have cash for the nice facemill yet LOL.
[13:58:03] <Connor> okay... Shars.com is returning a white page.. and nothing else.
[13:58:05] <Connor> wtf..
[13:58:34] <Connor> PetefromTn: I have a 3 fly cutters I got from shars. was going to link to it.
[13:59:14] <Connor> or maybe it was LMS..
[13:59:18] <PetefromTn> Connor Yeah I know they sell cheap but it needs to fit my spare facemill cat40 adapter so I gotta build it.
[13:59:51] <Connor> I didn't have very good luck with it when I tried it.. not sure what the issue was..
[14:02:36] <PetefromTn> tool grind probably..
[14:03:00] <PetefromTn> I use the lathe toolholders for my 12x36, they are indexable and work great.
[14:03:56] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4TxQYivMjo&list=UUFCopiUpaDrS5VBkrYFuGFQ&index=3
[14:03:57] <Tecan> (I4TxQYivMjo) "RF45 CNC solutions flycutting" by "PetefromTn" is "Education" - Length: 0:03:35
[14:04:11] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, im opening a cnc kit and accesory business!
[14:05:03] <GammaX-another> just felt like sharing
[14:05:15] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Really, well good luck with that. I made a couple items and tried to sell them for what I thought was reasonable prices and only heard crickets.
[14:05:42] <PetefromTn> Most folks make their own stuff and unless you can work with a consistent machine it is not real simple.
[14:06:02] <PetefromTn> unfortunately most of the chinese benchtops are NOT what I would call consistent.
[14:06:06] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, gonna do a full range of items for g0704 style, rf45 style, IH, tormach and so on.
[14:06:26] <jdh> the resident millionaire!
[14:06:33] <PetefromTn> Good luck with that....
[14:06:36] <GammaX-another> and also carry tooling like er20/32 collets/chucks.
[14:06:43] <GammaX-another> he millionaire I doubt it lol
[14:06:54] <GammaX-another> just some money on the side hopefully.
[14:06:59] <jdh> cheap chinese collets or good stuff?
[14:07:09] <PetefromTn> Honestly the only way to really do anything with that is like Hoss does, just make a video and sell it.
[14:07:17] <GammaX-another> Chinese,
[14:07:19] <jdh> 1 warranty return eats up profit from many sales
[14:07:27] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, yeah i plan on blowing hoss away
[14:07:41] <GammaX-another> my goal
[14:07:44] <PetefromTn> Don't get me started with Hoss..
[14:07:53] <Connor> ROFL
[14:07:56] <jdh> Hoss is fine
[14:08:03] <PetefromTn> Blow him away man...have at it.
[14:08:08] <GammaX-another> he's old but im young and Ill have much better stuff.
[14:08:31] <Connor> I kinda feel bad for him.. He's been stuck in his house for like 18 months or so..
[14:08:33] <Connor> no way out.
[14:08:34] <jdh> all he has is mediocore videos and dwgs
[14:08:51] <GammaX-another> belt drive conversions for all, quick release draw bars.
[14:09:08] <GammaX-another> Connor, stuck in his house? lol y?
[14:09:15] <jdh> send me a g0704 belt drive conversion and I'll review it
[14:09:16] <Connor> Yea. he's wheelchair bound.
[14:09:22] <GammaX-another> no way!
[14:09:23] <PetefromTn> I built one of the very first if not THE first belt drive conversions on the RF45..
[14:10:00] <PetefromTn> It worked quite well, if you look at my videos in that link you can see and hear it run.
[14:10:09] <Connor> GammaX-another: Go read his thread on CNCzone.. last few comments about being able to get out on his deck.
[14:10:23] <GammaX-another> damn, that sucks.
[14:10:35] <PetefromTn> I cannot GET ON the CNCzone lately at all.
[14:10:44] <PetefromTn> Dunno why..
[14:10:55] <Connor> PetefromTn: Yea.. that's fracked up.. I wonder what the deal is ?
[14:11:14] <PetefromTn> Whenever I click a link or paste it into my browser it just tries for awhile and then times out.
[14:11:20] <Connor> Maybe I can remote into you laptop sometime later today and see if I can figure it out.
[14:11:25] <PetefromTn> I have tried everything...
[14:11:30] <roh> works. must be your network
[14:11:33] <PetefromTn> Connor give it a shot man..
[14:11:41] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, try it from a proxy online?
[14:11:56] <GammaX-another> clear out entire temp internet files and browsing history.
[14:11:57] <PetefromTn> I have never had this problem with ANY other website anywhere
[14:12:04] <Connor> Give me just a bit. Mother in law showing up for something..
[14:12:08] <roh> maybe you got some mtu problem (nat gw configured badly)
[14:12:11] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Did that already several times.
[14:12:14] <GammaX-another> Connor, have fun! :)
[14:12:21] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, does proxy work?
[14:12:28] <Connor> Yea. I have to transfer her address book from one cell phone to the other.
[14:12:31] <PetefromTn> whazzat?
[14:14:02] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, zend2.com
[14:17:50] <Connor> Anyone have any comments on this fly cutter ? http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4663&category=
[14:17:57] <Connor> besides the fact it's kinda $$$
[14:18:08] <GammaX-another> In process of building site now, TridentCnC.com
[14:18:38] <PetefromTn> Connor looks halfway decent, as long as the angles are right should work fine.
[14:18:40] <GammaX-another> Connor, ive seen the reviews on youtube. looks legit...
[14:18:57] <Connor> GammaX-another: that's what I do all day.. build websites and backend database development
[14:19:19] <GammaX-another> Connor, unfortuanatly I had to go with webs.com :(
[14:19:19] <Connor> PetefromTn: I'm sure the angles are fine.. it's a Tormach designed tool.
[14:19:33] <Connor> GammaX-another: Why ?
[14:19:35] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Good luck with the site man, I will say this tho. Homebuilders of Chinese benchtop machines are some cheap SOB's. I know I am one of themLOL
[14:20:11] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, lol im gonna offer good prices and good combo deals, And also mill the stuff that people cant if they only have 1 mill
[14:20:14] <PetefromTn> Connor What Tormach can't make mistakes then
[14:20:14] <GammaX-another> or lathe.
[14:20:46] <Connor> PetefromTn: I'm sure they can.. but. that looks pretty nice.. though, I think a facemill would be better in the long run.
[14:20:48] <PetefromTn> What kinda equipment do you have to make all this stuff on?
[14:20:49] <archivist> no mistakes...didnt make anything
[14:20:53] <GammaX-another> Connor, if you look at it... its just a regular flut cutter with a bit on the end... not my style cause of the price. and they rip people off.
[14:23:00] <PetefromTn> archivist yeah exactly..
[14:23:59] <GammaX-another> was that aimed at me? lol
[14:24:23] <archivist> anyone :)
[14:25:01] <archivist> hiding ones mistakes is a special skill
[14:25:07] <GammaX-another> im in contact with some chinese manufactures to make a tooling system such as tormachs but with a larger shank, 7/8ths maby
[14:26:00] <archivist> get them made more locally!
[14:26:50] <GammaX-another> well then the price sky rockets
[14:27:05] <archivist> less transport cost
[14:27:36] <GammaX-another> thought about doing it myself but its going to be impossible. maby i can get them to rough them out and then i can just run them in my hardinge.
[14:28:19] <FinboySlick> GammaX-another: How many do you plan to sell?
[14:28:20] <PetefromTn> ...damn internet..
[14:28:33] <PetefromTn> what'd I miss?
[14:28:46] <archivist> PetefromTn, or damned local wifi?
[14:28:49] <GammaX-another> FinboySlick, I have no idea just for the chucks.
[14:29:01] <GammaX-another> I think PetefromTn just needs a new pc!
[14:29:10] <PetefromTn> archivist yeah right...
[14:29:27] <archivist> use real wire TM
[14:29:31] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Nothing wrong with this PC far as I can tell. works fine everywhere else.
[14:29:47] <PetefromTn> wazzat?
[14:30:08] <FinboySlick> GammaX-another: If you plan to sell a lot, you could justify buying the lathe I linked yesterday ;)
[14:30:22] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another dunno if you missed my question earlier, what kinda machinery are you planning to use to make all these parts?
[14:30:25] <archivist> I had a PC psu screw the internet connection, add a filter
[14:30:57] <PetefromTn> archivist Huh not a bad idea.
[14:31:26] <archivist> I wonder if someone has done a first year cash flow forecast
[14:31:46] <archivist> it is a sobering thing to do
[14:32:53] <PetefromTn> archivist My cash flow is Nil right now. No work except this pig roasting project which has not officially started yet but we are getting there.
[14:33:24] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, I got myself and a partner splitting parts up, so a few pm30's , IH , PM45.... few hardinge lathes.
[14:33:37] <archivist> mine is very close to 0 (£4 this week so far)
[14:34:42] <FinboySlick> GammaX-another: Any excuse is good if it means buying one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdCRCcwDeKQ
[14:34:43] <Tecan> (LdCRCcwDeKQ) "LNT-S 10-axis CNC w/ live tools & back machining" by "Lipoco Sales" is "People" - Length: 0:06:56
[14:35:19] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Okay man, like I said good luck, you have your work cut out for you then. I might suggest farming the projects out to a real machine shop in quantity once you have a working prototype. Save you some hassle .
[14:36:14] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, nah, this is the start to my full time job hopefully, that and Im a job shop. Im sure Im not going to have any crazy amount for a while so im not too worried.
[14:36:46] <GammaX-another> appreciate the condolences though! lol
[14:37:01] <PetefromTn> You're a job shop with PM machines and IH machines?
[14:37:07] <GammaX-another> FinboySlick, yeah thats a lil rediculous
[14:37:25] <FinboySlick> Not if you sell 200 a day ;)
[14:37:39] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, one off's dont need production size bridgeports lol
[14:37:58] <GammaX-another> FinboySlick, if that every happeneds ill farm it out. until that time.... f that! lol
[14:38:24] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Please understand that I am NOT trying to discourage you, hell I am trying to run a shop from my home here too. Started out with the RF45, Cnc'd it, and it was nice...
[14:39:09] <PetefromTn> But now that I have seen and run Haas machines and this Cincinatti, well, there is no comparison whatsoever. Even at that I am still struggling to find work for the machine.
[14:39:09] <GammaX-another> Haha I understand what it looks like from the outside haha
[14:39:36] <GammaX-another> as money comes in I can upgrade, the stuff ill be building is not hard....
[14:39:48] <toastydeath> PetefromTn, i bet your cinci beats the shit out the haas
[14:39:53] <PetefromTn> And also understand that Haas machines and my Cincinatti are what would be called DOGS in the machine world of making parts.
[14:40:02] <toastydeath> cinci's not bad
[14:40:05] <GammaX-another> and I can make 3-4 kits to keep on hand and be fine I believe. as one goes out another one comes off the mill.
[14:40:17] <toastydeath> do you have a picture of your mills
[14:40:23] <andypugh> I have an R8 flycutter going spare. I was going to machine it down to BT30, but I have a face-mill so really don't need it.
[14:40:33] <PetefromTn> toastydeath Honestly I have not been able to run it that much yet to tell. I will say it is DAMN precise tho...
[14:40:46] <PetefromTn> It is also pretty damn fast with 650IPM rapids.
[14:41:01] <GammaX-another> thats pretty insane lol
[14:41:03] <toastydeath> that has to be a machine from the 80s
[14:41:13] <toastydeath> 650 ipm is fairly slow for any machine after 1995
[14:41:14] <PetefromTn> actually it is a 1994 model..
[14:41:37] <toastydeath> geared head?
[14:41:41] <toastydeath> two speed?
[14:41:46] <PetefromTn> yeah that is what I am saying to Gammax, MY machine is slow and it will destroy any chinese mill no matter who makes it..
[14:42:05] <PetefromTn> Nope timing belt drive with 2-1 reduction 6k RPM max
[14:42:38] <toastydeath> i'd be interested to see how it handles slow cutting
[14:43:14] <PetefromTn> slow cutting what? Just made some steel parts and was going pretty damn slow since I was not used to the machine...
[14:43:30] <toastydeath> generally steel with a big facemill
[14:43:48] <toastydeath> 5-6" of facemill, with a deep cut and heavy tooth load
[14:43:52] <PetefromTn> It's only 7.5HP but with the belt reduction should be okay...
[14:44:01] <PetefromTn> I am gonna buy a four incher probably.
[14:44:12] <PetefromTn> This is NOT a mazak or an okuma after all.
[14:44:20] <toastydeath> with a facemill go larger rather than smaller
[14:44:26] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, i understand lol for a startup im in good shape. im sure.
[14:44:43] <toastydeath> you can always make a lighter pass, but you can't make a 4" facemill cut 5" wide
[14:44:50] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Good luck man, seriously.
[14:44:58] <GammaX-another> much appreciated!
[14:45:33] <PetefromTn> toastydeath yeah I know. The Haas VF2/3 I ran recently they all used 5" iscar units. with octagonal inserts. Nice cuts.
[14:45:34] <GammaX-another> Already got an agreemant with precision matthews to sell kits through them for power drawbar kit, belt drive and so on.
[14:45:54] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Have you built and tested any prototypes?
[14:46:11] <GammaX-another> yup.
[14:46:27] <PetefromTn> Sweet..
[14:46:33] <toastydeath> i have mixed feelings about octo inserts on facemills
[14:46:38] <toastydeath> on one hand, so many edges
[14:46:45] <GammaX-another> got belt drive done, working on drawbar
[14:46:46] <toastydeath> on the other hand, you can't use it as a shell mill
[14:47:02] <PetefromTn> toastydeath yeah and the inserts are not cheap either.
[14:47:10] <toastydeath> facemills rarely crash
[14:47:23] <toastydeath> and you'll get a shitload of life from 8 corners per insert
[14:47:31] <PetefromTn> just when you don' t have enough ass behind the spindle motor.
[14:47:53] <toastydeath> nah, the machine just wimpers out and trips the max error thing
[14:48:06] <toastydeath> i've stalled many a facemill but the inserts have always been okay
[14:48:25] <toastydeath> now an expensive lathe tool insert, or an inserted endmill?
[14:48:28] <PetefromTn> Never stalled a facemill yet, have not pushed them that hard tho...
[14:49:06] <toastydeath> facemills like having a heavy tooth load
[14:49:13] <toastydeath> .010" per tooth isn't uncommon
[14:49:25] <PetefromTn> LOL not on my machine
[14:49:34] <toastydeath> that's a common misconception
[14:49:44] <toastydeath> as the chip load goes up, the horsepower requirement goes down
[14:49:51] <toastydeath> per volume
[14:49:53] <PetefromTn> I mostly just use them to clean up my blanks is all.
[14:50:06] <toastydeath> so ideally you put a really big chip load on it and just decrease the depth of cut
[14:50:10] <toastydeath> or slow the spindle down
[14:50:30] <PetefromTn> what kinda machines do you have?
[14:51:04] <toastydeath> i've used a variety, from cheapish import VMCs (similar to haas) to very nice vmcs and hmcs
[14:51:23] <toastydeath> i don't own any, I was a machinist for a time
[14:51:48] <PetefromTn> cool.... I really need to find some parts to make for my machine now. Need some cash.
[14:52:15] <PetefromTn> Been asking around locally a bit but my kids are off school so it is kinda hard to run around too much dragging them along.
[15:01:54] <PetefromTn> toastydeath what kinda software did you use to program the machines you ran?
[15:02:48] <toastydeath> hands
[15:03:18] <PetefromTn> oh so no CNC then
[15:03:37] <toastydeath> no no
[15:03:41] <toastydeath> cnc, but i programmed by hand
[15:03:49] <toastydeath> type the gcode into the machine, run it.
[15:03:50] <PetefromTn> oh okay, G-coder..
[15:04:04] <PetefromTn> can you hand program 3d stuff?
[15:04:08] <frallzor> as in NC? =)
[15:04:25] <toastydeath> PetefromTn, not 3d contour stuff
[15:05:26] <PetefromTn> The 3d stuff is where I want to go and start learning. I cannot afford the expensive programs but I still want to try to get some 3d jobs here. Perhaps some simple mold jobs or someting.
[15:05:35] <toastydeath> we had an old as shit copy of mastercam that we used for anything that required more than trivial contours
[15:05:42] <toastydeath> mold jobs are not simple
[15:05:49] <toastydeath> ever
[15:05:53] <PetefromTn> Yeah I know,, but they pay good.
[15:06:03] <toastydeath> lol there's a reason they pay well
[15:06:13] <PetefromTn> Only way to get them is to learn to do them right.
[15:06:35] <toastydeath> ...and you do that by working in a mold shop for 5-7 years
[15:06:39] <PetefromTn> The machine should be up to the task now. actually better than it was before the retrofit.
[15:06:41] <tjb1> Hello all
[15:06:52] <toastydeath> and you generally can't directly mill molds
[15:06:56] <PetefromTn> toastydeath Yeah that's not an option for me.
[15:07:02] <toastydeath> most are die sunk
[15:07:09] <toastydeath> and then hand polished by trained diemakers
[15:07:40] <PetefromTn> toastydeath That's funny the guy I bought this machine from makes and repairs molds on his Fadal and makes damn good money on it.
[15:07:42] <toastydeath> all gates, flues, slides, etc are designed by the mold shop
[15:07:56] <toastydeath> sorry but i'd have to see it to believe it
[15:08:24] <toastydeath> if someone busts a guide or something on the mold, that I can see
[15:08:36] <PetefromTn> toastydeath Well I dunno what to tell you he does it every day here.
[15:09:06] <PetefromTn> He has a fadal 6030 and the molds I saw in person are so big he needs to load them with a forklift.
[15:09:15] <toastydeath> molds generally are
[15:09:48] <toastydeath> i can guarantee you he's not finishing the mold on a fadal
[15:09:49] <PetefromTn> I just want to get into some real simple stuff and see if I can do it at all.
[15:10:34] <PetefromTn> toastydeath I'm not gonna get into what he does or does not do. Suffice it to say he works on molds with his Fadal and makes damn good money doing it.
[15:10:58] <PetefromTn> He used to use this Cincinatti I bought from him to do it before I bought it from him.
[15:11:08] <PetefromTn> He has been a machinist for a very long time.
[15:11:12] <toastydeath> and what I'm saying is you are missing a major part of what he does.
[15:11:16] <archivist> brick molds, who needs accuracy
[15:11:47] <PetefromTn> They are for the automotive industry he told me and also some for Rubbermaid.
[15:12:03] <archivist> be careful with assumptions
[15:12:14] <toastydeath> a skilled moldmaker can make a mold with a chisel and some elbow grease
[15:12:29] <toastydeath> you cannot finish a mold on a milling machine
[15:13:00] <PetefromTn> toastydeath what assumptions?
[15:13:03] <frallzor> I´ve seen it been done
[15:13:29] <toastydeath> let me correct that - there are high accuracy mold mills that will leave a good enough finish for some molds
[15:13:45] <toastydeath> for a half million dollars you too can finish certian molds right on the mill
[15:13:46] <frallzor> besides some Pt coating made after machining =P
[15:14:59] <archivist> you are assuming all molds need a fine finish too
[15:15:30] <toastydeath> okay, yep. i have no idea what i'm talking about.
[15:15:33] <PetefromTn> I know a fellow who makes molds for fishing lures on a tormach LOL.
[15:15:39] <toastydeath> i've just invented all these things.
[15:15:48] <toastydeath> get back to me in about a year and let me know how the moldmaking is going.
[15:15:53] <PetefromTn> toastydeath Don't get defensive..
[15:16:04] <toastydeath> i don't think i can eat a whole shoe, but i will symbolically eat part of one
[15:16:11] <PetefromTn> Just telling you what I saw
[15:16:12] <toastydeath> cut part of the tongue or something
[15:16:36] <PetefromTn> I can give you his name if you want to talk to him.. he's a nice fellow.
[15:16:52] <toastydeath> i'm not doubting he works on molds, like i said
[15:17:22] <toastydeath> either way, good luck.
[15:18:41] * frallzor has been thinking about making wooden molds for rubber
[15:19:53] <archivist> I made a plaster mold and got half a dozen items out of it
[15:49:01] <PetefromTn> Oh my good lord I just got some great news..
[15:50:34] <PetefromTn> My wife just got back from the Hospital and the lump she found in her breast is apparently some kinda fibrous thing NOT CANCER!!
[15:50:54] <PetefromTn> I am so pleased we were worried sick as her mom got breast Cancer years ago.
[15:51:36] <syyl_> :)
[15:53:17] <PetefromTn> Yes exactly... I have been so scared for her.
[16:02:25] <syyl_> that are more than good news :)
[16:03:14] <PetefromTn> Yeah man, I love my wife dearly and connot imagine not having her here with me and my kids. Besides I suck at being a MOM LOL.
[16:03:49] <PetefromTn> Just got back some materials prices for the Pig Cooker...
[16:03:58] <PetefromTn> Damn steel is spensive lately LOL.
[16:04:21] <PetefromTn> I cannot believe how expensive materials are anymore really.
[16:04:24] <syyl_> chinese scravenge all the steel ;)
[16:04:47] <PetefromTn> I hope he goes for my quote I need the cash and I REALLY want to eat that pig!!
[16:30:58] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:34:56] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, glad to hear what u wrote above, my girl had a scare about 2 months ago... not fun times
[16:35:36] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Hey thanks man sure appreciate it. we are very happy to hear it.
[16:36:03] <frallzor> my mother hade a scare too, although it was a bad scare that ended like one doesnt hope
[16:37:48] <PetefromTn> frallzor I am so sorry to hear that man. I am sure you understand our concern and relief at the results.
[16:38:43] <frallzor> well it was some time ago so not that crappy anymore, just notice more when ppl talk about it =)
[16:38:49] <frallzor> kind of gets ones attention
[16:42:16] <frallzor> anyhow, G04, easy way to have it implemented all the time? =)
[17:01:05] <PetefromTn> gotta go fellas.. talk later. Peace
[17:05:42] <Aero-Tec> had a long power outage
[17:05:53] <Aero-Tec> man life sucks with out power
[17:06:13] <Jymmm> And then generators were invented!!!
[17:06:21] <Aero-Tec> need a better IRC client
[17:06:23] <Aero-Tec> lol
[17:07:01] <Aero-Tec> I am running mIRC
[17:07:06] <Aero-Tec> not a fan
[17:07:20] <Jymmm> mIRC is fine
[17:07:29] <Jymmm> quit being a wuss
[17:07:37] <Aero-Tec> what open good source source ones are there?
[17:08:24] <Aero-Tec> any recomendations?
[17:08:44] <Aero-Tec> mIRC is better then nothing but still is not so good
[17:10:05] <Aero-Tec> kind of dead here
[17:12:15] <Aero-Tec> doing a search list to many, how does one find the good ones?
[17:24:22] <Aero-Tec> hexchat look good
[17:24:52] <Aero-Tec> need spell checker...lol mIRC does not have it
[17:30:37] <Aero-Tec> hello JT
[17:42:28] <tjb1> JT-Shop: !
[17:49:37] <BJfreeman> http://www.irssi.org/
[17:49:58] <JT-Shop> I'm back!
[17:52:38] <Aero-Tec> jt, do you have a fav IRC client?
[17:54:51] <Aero-Tec> was going to try hexIRC, but it wanted to install crap on the box
[18:01:38] <JT-Shop> I used to use the one with firefox
[18:08:09] <Aero-Tec2> tryig out a new client
[18:08:22] <Aero-Tec2> so far so good
[18:40:30] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop: I was using chatzilla as well, before, that is the one with fire fox
[18:41:11] <JT-Shop> yea, that's the one I used to use before switching to satillite internet
[18:41:44] <andypugh> I wonder how much current a 6mm stepper motor wants?
[18:42:37] <JT-Shop> 6mm body?
[18:42:40] <JT-Shop> that is tiny
[18:42:52] <andypugh> Yes.
[18:42:52] <PCW> nema 1?
[18:43:00] <Aero-Tec> Xchat looks good
[18:43:06] <Aero-Tec> so far I like it
[18:43:24] <Aero-Tec> but getting the spell checker to work is being a pain
[18:43:35] <JT-Shop> Xchat is what I use now but on my windoze machines I use Xchat-2
[18:43:48] <JT-Shop> it won't work for me on windoze
[18:47:33] <andypugh> 30R winding resistance, so they look similar to the ones here: http://www.faulhaber.com/uploadpk/EN_ADM0620_PCS.pdf and it looks like I need a 75mA stepper driver....
[18:48:00] <andypugh> It's a pity they are bipolar, I think they could cheerfuly run direct from a paralell port.
[18:52:38] <PCW> If you are not concerned about effiiciency (or ustepping), you could use a uln2003
[18:56:43] <PCW> 4 ULN2003 outputs all with 120 Ohm Pullups to 12V
[19:01:27] <PCW> if the parallel port provides enough current you can do bipolar (4 outputs)
[19:02:31] <andypugh> Hmm, yes, swapping source and sink..
[19:21:19] <JT-Shop> your song for the night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KseUrBSRBDA
[19:21:21] <Tecan> (KseUrBSRBDA) "The Marvelettes - Please Mr. Postman" by "John1948NineB" is "Education" - Length: 0:02:27
[19:22:11] <tjb1> JT-Shop: how are you doing
[19:22:42] <JT-Shop> a little wobbly but I'll recover from driving 1400 miles in 36hrs
[19:22:57] <tjb1> plasma still works ;)
[19:23:29] <JT-Shop> Sweet
[19:23:41] * JT-Shop hears the dinner bell
[19:39:23] <Aero-Tec2> looks like xchat is the winner
[19:39:30] <Aero-Tec2> will try it for a bit
[19:43:51] <Aero-Tec2> wow so dead
[19:43:55] <Tom_itx> too late. 754410 would drive those steppers pretty easy
[19:48:00] <Aero-Tec> liking this one way better then mIRC
[19:53:35] <tjb1> Aero-Tec: got a mac?
[19:55:09] <Aero-Tec> not yet
[19:55:23] <Aero-Tec> linux and win
[19:55:45] <Aero-Tec> but have not setup a linux box for office yet
[19:55:49] <tjb1> If you get a mac, colloquy is probably the best
[19:55:51] <Aero-Tec> soon I hope
[19:56:05] <Aero-Tec> would like a mac as well
[19:56:31] <Aero-Tec> macs are good for playing
[19:56:59] <Aero-Tec> doing movie editing and such
[19:57:17] <tjb1> dont have to do updates every other hour ;)
[19:57:29] <Aero-Tec> as well as I would love to play with the music program it comes with
[19:57:34] <Aero-Tec> lol
[19:57:53] <Aero-Tec> garage band or something
[19:57:56] <tjb1> yeah
[19:58:14] <Aero-Tec> I look forward to playing with it
[19:58:20] <tjb1> I'm looking at racing wheels now and getting into sim racing
[19:59:11] <Aero-Tec> so if I want to do a mac box, do I just buy a box and install mac 10 or do they have a newer version?
[19:59:24] <Aero-Tec> mac 10x
[19:59:29] <Aero-Tec> or x10
[19:59:51] <Aero-Tec> I was looking at it before but was not sure how it all worked
[20:00:16] <Aero-Tec> I know it is linux based to some extent
[20:00:16] <tjb1> you have to buy a mac
[20:00:19] <tjb1> or do a hackintosh
[20:00:29] <tjb1> its not just grab disc and install
[20:01:24] <tjb1> I liked 10.6 - snow leopard the best
[20:03:17] <Aero-Tec> what is this osX?
[20:03:35] <Aero-Tec> thought that made any box a apple
[20:04:48] <Aero-Tec> I had a apple 2e
[20:04:55] <Aero-Tec> way way back
[20:05:00] <Aero-Tec> before mac
[20:05:15] <tjb1> os x is os 10
[20:05:29] <Aero-Tec> have not played with then since
[20:05:44] <Aero-Tec> ok, so what is OS 10?
[20:05:51] <tjb1> very old
[20:05:57] <Aero-Tec> any good?
[20:06:10] <tjb1> id shoot for 10.6
[20:06:20] <tjb1> 10 was cheetah
[20:06:45] <tjb1> 10.6 was snow leopard, 10.7 lion, 10.8 mountain lion
[20:06:46] <Aero-Tec> I was hoping to turn a reg box into a apple
[20:07:09] <tjb1> requires intel processor
[20:07:13] <Aero-Tec> so I need a apple box to run the OS on it?
[20:07:26] <tjb1> http://basshead.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/snow-leopard-on-hackintosh-second-method/
[20:07:47] <tjb1> no if you put it on a non-apple box, it will be a "hackintosh"
[20:07:52] <Aero-Tec> can I get a intel box and run OS 10.8?
[20:08:01] <tjb1> http://www.hackintosh.com/
[20:08:06] <Aero-Tec> is that bad?
[20:08:15] <tjb1> http://www.tonymacx86.com/61-unibeast-install-os-x-mountain-lion-any-supported-intel-based-pc.html
[20:08:26] <tjb1> its not supported
[20:08:30] <tjb1> I dont know how hard it is to do
[20:09:01] <tjb1> to get 10.8 you have to have a mac, know someone who does or of course pirate it
[20:09:33] <tjb1> You can't purchase it outside of the mac app store
[20:11:34] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the info
[20:11:52] <Aero-Tec> no apple stores near me at all
[20:12:19] <Aero-Tec> no place to walk in and ask question
[20:13:07] <Aero-Tec> so do you love the mac and highly recommend it?
[20:13:22] <Aero-Tec> looks like a very fun machine
[20:14:23] <Aero-Tec> had a friend bring a mac laptop so got to poke at it some but not really play with it
[20:15:08] <Aero-Tec> was very different, had to set it up to connect to our wireless network
[20:36:40] <tjb1> Aero-Tec: its a computer...
[20:36:56] <tjb1> doesnt run very much cad/cam software it is very reliable
[20:37:26] <tjb1> I am on an 8 day uptime right now on my laptop, only reason it isnt longer is because I usually dont have it plugged in
[20:40:57] <Aero-Tec> I run my win boxes for weeks and months with out restarting
[20:41:17] <Aero-Tec> power bumps do most of my restarts
[20:45:16] <tjb1> they are good internet browsers and music machines
[20:45:28] <tjb1> not good for cad, cam or anything like that
[20:47:39] <Tom_itx> Aero-Tec did you get your subroutine working?
[20:47:47] <ReadError> i have 3 macs
[20:47:53] <ReadError> 2 macbook pro, 1 hackintosh
[20:48:05] <Aero-Tec> yes
[20:48:10] <Aero-Tec> thanks for asking
[20:48:36] <Aero-Tec> worked till 1 am, but got it fixed
[20:50:12] <Tom_itx> what was the problem
[20:50:13] <Tom_itx> ?
[20:51:36] <Aero-Tec> the ini file and /or placement of the sub file
[20:52:08] <Aero-Tec> if I had put the sub file in the default dir it would have worked
[20:52:55] <Aero-Tec> thing is when I did try that it did not work
[20:53:43] <Aero-Tec> I had tried to add extra path to the default parameter
[20:55:02] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = path1:path2 messes it up so nether paths work
[20:56:12] <Aero-Tec> by the time I put the sub file in the default path1, I had already added path2 to the PROGRAM_PREFIX = parameter
[20:56:21] <Aero-Tec> so it would not work
[20:57:08] <Aero-Tec> I also had SUBROUTINE_PATH = in the display part of the INI
[20:58:24] <Aero-Tec> not sure if that was messing up the default path1 or if it was adding the extra path2 to path1 in PROGRAM_PREFIX that messed up the default path1
[20:59:38] <Aero-Tec> the fix was removing path2 from PROGRAM_PREFIX and moving SUBROUTINE_PATH = to [RS274NGC] where it belongs
[20:59:54] <Tom_itx> yup
[21:00:20] <Aero-Tec> seeing as I did both edits at the same time I am not sure what made the default path for sub files not work
[22:03:28] <ssi> listening to my own music on vinyl for the first time
[22:03:31] <ssi> it's kinda surreal and amazing
[22:21:40] <L84Supper> ssi: did you machine the vinyl yourself?
[22:33:16] <ssi> haha no
[22:33:26] <ssi> although I did check to see if there were mastering lathes available on ebay
[23:24:45] <PetefromTn> Wazzup folks?
[23:27:25] <ssi> thinking about buying another fpga dev board
[23:28:09] <PetefromTn> http:// youtube.com/watch?v=miXcYGMoQFw
[23:28:11] <Tecan> (miXcYGMoQFw) "Hothouse Flowers - I Can See Clearly Now" by "PancakeTheFish" is "Music" - Length: 0:05:01
[23:28:25] <PetefromTn> This makes me smile.....
[23:28:26] <ssi> just got done listening to the test pressings of our album
[23:28:29] <ssi> pretty awesome
[23:29:06] <PetefromTn> What kinda board is that?
[23:29:21] <ssi> http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,793&Prod=S3E1600
[23:29:23] <ssi> something like that
[23:30:06] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK7DJKiCAAANdjW.jpg:large
[23:30:08] <ssi> :D
[23:30:46] <PetefromTn> Interesting, what are ya gonna do with it.
[23:32:51] <ssi> I dunno... stuff
[23:33:03] <ssi> I need to get back into fpga work
[23:33:08] <ssi> but right now I need to SLEEP
[23:33:34] <PetefromTn> I hear ya, i can't sleep right now.
[23:33:56] <PetefromTn> Been sitting here listening to my smartphone music.
[23:34:44] <PetefromTn> Right now enjoying Hothouse Flowers album "Home"
[23:35:38] <PetefromTn> Started Machining a stainless steel bodied flycutter head for the Cincinnati today...
[23:36:11] <PetefromTn> Gonna make of fit my spare cat40 facemill holder.
[23:43:09] <PetefromTn> Smartphone+ equalizer application with bass boost and effects+ studio headphones+ gigabytes of my favorite music=Happiness ;p