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[02:07:35] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:28:29] <automata_> hi mharbler
[09:42:33] <IchGuckLive> hi all from the Sunny Warm Germany ! O.O
[09:42:58] <PetefromTn> hi ich..
[09:43:05] <IchGuckLive> B)
[10:10:50] <sharpen047> GammaX-Shop: hey!
[10:12:38] <IchGuckLive> hi sharpen047
[10:12:54] <sharpen047> morning hows everything going?
[10:13:04] <IchGuckLive> im done today
[10:13:16] <IchGuckLive> 80+ sheets of plasma done
[10:13:17] <sharpen047> done with what?
[10:13:30] <IchGuckLive> 2mm 2x1m
[10:13:41] <IchGuckLive> 2plasma tables
[10:13:53] <sharpen047> from one machine?
[10:14:02] <IchGuckLive> tow
[10:14:07] <IchGuckLive> two
[10:15:02] <sharpen047> i meant two machines from one pc?
[10:15:42] <IchGuckLive> no
[10:16:04] <IchGuckLive> but the G-code comes from one server ! O.O
[10:16:48] <sharpen047> have a video of your plasma cutter?
[10:17:45] <IchGuckLive> no homemade standart ones
[10:17:53] <IchGuckLive> i got only a CAD modell
[10:18:37] <sharpen047> ah, was going to say because ive been looking at second par ports on one pc
[10:18:58] <IchGuckLive> NP for thius
[10:19:09] <IchGuckLive> in the wiki there are lots of infos
[10:19:19] <IchGuckLive> i use DELOCK for the cards
[10:19:40] <IchGuckLive> you can also go for /i80 mesa to get 4 parport like outputs
[10:19:46] <IchGuckLive> via Ethernet
[10:21:46] <sharpen047> yeah problem was i dont have a 4th/5th axis yet and was deciding if i could even do it. i have a second controller and 3 more motors. but ubuntu didnt like my second card
[10:22:32] <IchGuckLive> NP i drive 5Axis on one parport with the hotwire
[10:22:52] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i also heard that mesa cards can generate much faster pulses? and whats hotwire
[10:23:13] <sharpen047> and dont say for hotel rooms cheap
[10:23:19] <IchGuckLive> yes mesa 5i25 / 7i76 is best for this
[10:23:26] <IchGuckLive> about 50times faster
[10:23:50] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: hotwire is foamcutter
[10:24:05] <sharpen047> you own a 5 axis?
[10:24:46] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i dont have the option of doing that off of one parport since i use 2 motors for my X
[10:25:56] <IchGuckLive> it is not a good idee to split the axis to 2 parports
[10:26:20] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: like x y z on one then a and c on the other?
[10:26:48] <IchGuckLive> yes that is bad
[10:26:48] <sharpen047> why is that?
[10:26:54] <IchGuckLive> the second one is not as interpreted as the first
[10:27:37] <sharpen047> so i should change my first port to nothing but motor drivers and second for inputs? since i have 0 inputs i just use them all for driving them
[10:28:02] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: so my best bet would be a mesa io card, thats what i keep hearing from people in here
[10:28:10] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_ndXDZ0DU
[10:28:10] <Tecan> (wT_ndXDZ0DU) "Styrocut_Burg_2012" by "magic33de" is "Education" - Length: 0:05:43
[10:28:39] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: yes this is best to go for
[10:28:43] <Tom_shop> sharpen047, just bite the bullet and join all the other happy campers
[10:29:17] <sharpen047> will i notice that much of a difference in speed? i currently am limited to about 66ipm. will that change?
[10:29:28] <Tom_shop> why use a pup tent when you can use a fancy rv
[10:29:40] <Tom_shop> yes
[10:29:55] <IchGuckLive> yes ofcause
[10:29:59] <Tom_shop> my old sherline system would do a reliable 20ipm now i'm up to 80 on it
[10:30:06] <Tom_shop> as a poor comparison
[10:30:07] <IchGuckLive> on 48V you can get 500ipm
[10:30:23] <sharpen047> well im limited to my 12 tpi leadscrews
[10:30:33] <Tom_shop> mine are 20
[10:30:38] <sharpen047> i can get 150 ipm but not really 100% steps
[10:30:45] <sharpen047> and youre at 80?!
[10:30:54] <Tom_shop> i got gecko drivers too
[10:31:01] <IchGuckLive> you will have no steploss on good config
[10:31:02] <Tom_shop> jumped from 24v to 48v
[10:31:04] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: is that your hot wire machine or someone elses/
[10:31:05] <skunkworks> sharpen047: how is your 5 axis coming?
[10:31:22] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: yes see the others its my channel
[10:31:35] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: price
[10:31:51] <sharpen047> skunkworks: well looks like i should get a mesa io card but other than that i think id like to test to see if i can get the motors turning at all with a second par port before i buy the card
[10:32:14] <Tom_shop> why do you keep insisting?
[10:32:14] <sharpen047> skunkworks: if i can finish that i just need a post for mastercam
[10:32:42] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: what do you use to generate gcode? and nice output with a 6560. I have one but its absolutely terrible
[10:32:53] <IchGuckLive> mastercam 5 Axis fanuc 11M will get you to heven
[10:33:04] <sharpen047> Tom_shop: why do i keep insisting on a mesa card?
[10:33:17] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: did you modify it
[10:33:18] <Tom_shop> on getting it working first with 2 parports
[10:33:20] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: do you have experience with this?
[10:33:43] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: what mastercam
[10:34:03] <sharpen047> Tom_itx: i have the stuff to do this now. i want to make sure i can get it working before i buy the parts. if i can get output ill buy the stuff
[10:34:14] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: x4
[10:34:41] <IchGuckLive> im a CNC/ CAD CAM teatcher in the University so yes i do
[10:34:58] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i use the modified faunc for 3 axis and that works great but i found it on another site. 5 axis is another story
[10:35:26] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i was told to get a working 5 axis post should cost me upwards of $1000
[10:35:54] <IchGuckLive> there is a 5Axis post on mastercam fanuc yoou only need to get the offsets in side
[10:36:04] <skunkworks> sharpen047: go mesa...
[10:36:08] <Tom_itx> sharpen047, you get the parts and you'll have a whole different animal
[10:36:21] <IchGuckLive> Deskproto for 200USD is also available on this 5Axis and good for 90% of work
[10:36:33] <sharpen047> skunkworks: i will especially if i can get a mastercam post
[10:36:47] <skunkworks> the 5i25 is like 2 printer ports on steroids right out of the box.. not including the daughter boards available.
[10:36:55] <Tom_itx> i wish i had a 5 axis post i'd like to see if it would do it
[10:36:57] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: did the M100 work ?
[10:37:12] <Tom_itx> it did but i removed it
[10:37:19] <Tom_itx> i don't need that for what i do
[10:37:30] <Tom_itx> i always set things up ahead
[10:37:32] <IchGuckLive> welcome onbioard
[10:37:38] <sharpen047> yeah i probably will go mesa, no reason not to. kinda sucks that i have to stick with my single core though.
[10:37:41] <skunkworks> sharpen047: I am not very strong on anything over 3 axis.. but I do know with kins - gcode programming is easier..
[10:37:57] <sharpen047> skunkworks: manual coding you mean?
[10:38:01] <skunkworks> yes
[10:38:05] <Tom_itx> sharpen047, even with multicore, you want to run single core thread
[10:38:12] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: mesa also got a 6axis stepper card you might look for
[10:38:15] <skunkworks> (and I assume the post is easier)
[10:38:34] <IchGuckLive> im off toll 19:00 MEZ
[10:38:40] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: so if i made a 4th and 5th axis how hard would it be to modify the post for the faunc? i know nothing about coding posts
[10:39:04] <sharpen047> aw
[10:39:12] <Tom_itx> you've got your learning curve ahead it seems
[10:39:43] <Tom_itx> no documents on building posts for mastercam?
[10:39:56] <sharpen047> well i dont have any info on the post. thats the main part im suck on
[10:40:03] <sharpen047> no they are classes
[10:40:19] <Tom_itx> at least i've got the ref books to look at
[10:40:23] <sharpen047> classes which are about the same price as a custom post $1000
[10:40:51] <sharpen047> v9 and 10 are much easier but when they went with x they changed a lot and made it very very difficult to change
[10:42:17] <sharpen047> Tom_itx: so ill try to get the 2 par ports working so i can just run some 5 axis code. i wont make the rotary table or anything until i know i can get emc to read 5 axis code i can generate
[10:42:18] <Tom_itx> that's what steered me to smartcam
[10:43:03] <sharpen047> yeah you told me yesterday but i already have access to mastercam and know how to use it. i didnt pay for it and cant really afford another cam program
[10:43:15] <Tom_itx> i know
[10:43:38] <Tom_itx> it paid for it self in the first year though
[10:44:07] <sharpen047> well at least there are people who have 5 axis machines running mastercam and know how to do it. its just a matter of getting some help to change the post. ich was saying it was pretty simple, just a matter of offsets
[10:44:46] <Tom_itx> also, programmers tend to do things differently too
[10:44:57] <sharpen047> what do you mean?
[10:45:10] <Tom_itx> just how things are set up
[10:45:22] <Tom_itx> where you set your 0 reference etc
[10:45:33] <sharpen047> yeah i have a lot of work to do haha
[10:45:37] <Tom_itx> some programs we used a sphere
[10:45:58] <Tom_itx> some offset from vicejaws etc
[10:46:02] <Tom_itx> just depends
[10:46:30] <sharpen047> things like that are what i want to know before i build the table. i can build the offsets to what i want
[10:48:12] <sharpen047> ill probably try to find ich again tonight my time
[10:48:44] <Tom_itx> are you in the us?
[10:49:11] <sharpen047> yes
[10:49:24] <Tom_itx> you should attend the fest next month
[10:49:36] <sharpen047> where would i get a mesa io card? a good one. i bought that 6560 from china and that was a mistake lol
[10:49:38] <sharpen047> fest?
[10:49:41] <Tom_itx> KimK said they were planning some talks on 5axis machining etc
[10:50:01] <Tom_itx> sharpen047, from pcw
[10:50:29] <Tom_itx> mesanet.com
[10:51:21] <Tom_itx> sharpen047, read the thread regarding the fest http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/42692/focus=42699
[10:51:55] <sharpen047> thanks
[10:53:07] <andypugh> sharpen047: I am going to swing the other way and say that you really ought to be able to get the system working with two parports.
[10:53:52] <Tom_itx> well, he should be able to but why if he plans to get mesa cards anyway?
[10:54:36] <sharpen047> andypugh: yeah i got the address with your help yesterday i havent been on since so ill start here in a few. i am looking at mesa cards but i dont need one yet, i have the stuff for 2 par ports and it shouldnt be too hard right? or so i thought.
[10:55:38] <sharpen047> i have zero income and right now its just a hobby. im trying not to spend it all on a mesa card when i dont have the hardware for it yet. even with a 3 axis it will speed it up but that 200 could go to actual hardware
[10:55:42] <andypugh> I am quite a fan of the Mesa stuff, but you ought to be able to spin motors this weekend with the parport.
[10:56:16] <sharpen047> if i can spin them ill work on the post. if i get the post ill order a mesa card and make the rotary table. im set on that 5 axis
[10:57:00] <Tom_itx> you gonna put a rotary in a cradle for the 5 axis?
[10:57:38] <sharpen047> i was going to try to yes, since spinning the router could be a problem
[10:57:53] <sharpen047> i got the idea from this http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-engraving-machine-Rotary-Axis-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Axis-CNC-Rotary-Table/261198401838?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D7729271719685717765%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D261118755481%26
[10:59:31] <archivist> oh "that toy"
[11:00:15] * archivist hopes sharpen047 makes a better one
[11:03:22] <archivist> not sure how the cutting torque is resisted by the stepper in that, it looks like the table is on the stepper spindle
[11:04:48] <andypugh> " B Axis(the 5th axis): Nema23 3.5A stepper motor, direct-connecting coupling."
[11:05:08] <archivist> nasty
[11:06:07] <sharpen047> archivist: oh i plan on making a better one haha. 20 lbs is not enough for me. id rather over build it. running my current psu at 50% motors are at 66% and can still make the machine more ridgid
[11:06:31] <archivist> sharpen047, what do you intend making with the machine
[11:07:01] <sharpen047> archivist: thats why this is just a hobby so far :) but i have plans of making a mold for some parts here soon
[11:07:37] <sharpen047> archivist: ive spent the last year or so designing and building 2 cncs one is a small desktop the second and current one is a 4x5' machine in my garage.
[11:08:31] <sharpen047> archivist: thats actually why i am here, i dont know what to make or where i should go but i am very limited with a 3 axis and a 5 doesnt seem out of reach. i dont currently know anyone whatsoever who has a cnc in person
[11:10:45] <sharpen047> andypugh: im going to try to get 2 par oorts up right now ill start the mahcine up
[11:10:53] <archivist> I like some gearing between the stepper and tables so one can get some accuracy and resolution and less reflected torque
[11:12:17] <andypugh> If you can find them, harmonic drives are nice.
[11:12:43] <andypugh> Rotary tables can work, but the worm reduction always adds a bit of backlash.
[11:13:33] <L84Supper> and direct drive rotary tables are pretty pricey
[11:13:42] <andypugh> This is just two rotary tables and an angle plate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh9eCupbsso
[11:13:43] <Tecan> (Oh9eCupbsso) "Linuxcnc-5axis- 2" by "Rudy du Preez" is "Tech" - Length: 0:06:13
[11:13:45] <archivist> I am wishing for some harmonic drives till then the rotaries drive in one direction to avoid backlash
[11:14:48] <andypugh> Have you considered making harmonic drives?
[11:15:13] <archivist> considered only :)
[11:16:00] <Tom_itx> looking at those, it seems to me you would want the rotary table top in the same plane as the centerline of the cradle
[11:17:27] <archivist> my angle plate/rotary is very similar
[11:18:10] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Probably, though the kins can cope, and you might prefer the bigger work envelope
[11:18:54] <sharpen047> andypugh: yes i intend on gearing everything down
[11:19:50] <archivist> I use the same vertex on mine with a copy larger rotary on the B
[11:19:50] <Tom_itx> you probably wouldn't want to swing too big a part around anyway
[11:20:34] <sharpen047> if i wanted to mill out a 1'x1'x2" piece of 7075 id like to be able to
[11:21:49] <andypugh> This 5-axis is running LinuxCNC too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxxdq6y8z8M It can handle your 1' x 1' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxxdq6y8z8M
[11:21:50] <Tecan> (mxxdq6y8z8M) "LinuxCNC 5 axis cinci at MPM" by "sws1253" is "Tech" - Length: 0:05:35
[11:22:03] <Tom_itx> 5 axis would have been nice when we hogged out 6 test articles from 12 x 12 x 24 ti billet
[11:22:13] <Tom_itx> for trailing links on landing gear
[11:23:12] <sharpen047> andypugh: hey how would i find the new address of the second parport
[11:23:16] <Tom_itx> they tried using exhisting forgings but found them to be too weak
[11:23:19] <L84Supper> I'm building something similar but with 1 arc second repeatability
[11:23:30] <sharpen047> what is an arc second
[11:23:36] <andypugh> cat /proc/ioports
[11:23:42] <sharpen047> thanks
[11:23:59] <andypugh> I thought you foind it lst night? 0x9400 wasn't it?
[11:24:05] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc
[11:24:13] <Tom_itx> deg min sec
[11:24:18] <Tom_itx> of measure
[11:24:23] <sharpen047> andypugh: that was when the onboard was disabled
[11:24:25] <archivist> a divided gnats cock
[11:24:33] <andypugh> The address won't change.
[11:24:47] <sharpen047> Tom_itx: thats pretty cool when is measurments in minutes?
[11:24:58] <sharpen047> andypugh: ok ill try rmmodding again
[11:25:56] <L84Supper> most harmonic drives get down to about 1 arc minute for repeatability
[11:25:59] <sharpen047> andypugh: so it says 9c00-9c02 so would 0x9c00 be what i put into stepconf?
[11:26:20] <andypugh> I think so, yes. (I rarely use stepconf)
[11:26:48] <sharpen047> ok i got an ssh up so ill go out and try to run it then and see if it errors again
[11:27:58] <L84Supper> http://www.harmonicdrive.net/products/componentsets/shg-component/ typical Positional Accuracy
[11:32:38] <sharpen047> what do those do L84Supper
[11:34:06] <L84Supper> Those are harmonic drives. Fancy rotary stages. What you'll find in most robot arms
[11:38:52] <sharpen047> ok got vnc up on the cnc pc
[11:41:34] <sharpen047> andypugh: ok still errors using 0x9c00
[11:41:48] <andypugh> What error?
[11:42:52] <sharpen047> andypugh: parport0 claim failed. i even rmmod lp like last time
[11:43:16] <andypugh> Well, it looks like a good indication that that is the parport.
[11:43:30] <andypugh> You just need to find out what is claiming it.
[11:44:33] <L84Supper> sharpen047: http://www.ebay.com/itm/haas-hrt-210-trunnion-table-for-4th-axis-rotary-table-/171039890269?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item27d2c59b5d
[11:45:26] <Daywalker198454> hello i always get this error [ 9172.971304] [fglrx:firegl_apl_loadDatabase] *ERROR* APL: apl initialize fail.
[11:45:28] <sharpen047> andypugh: how would i find out? lsmod?
[11:45:28] <Daywalker198454> [ 9172.973359] [fglrx:firegl_apl_loadDatabase] *ERROR* APL: apl initialize fail.
[11:45:31] <Daywalker198454> what to do now?? :(
[11:45:33] <andypugh> sharpen047: Step 25 here, then reboot: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC_Ubuntu91
[11:45:40] <sharpen047> L84Supper: looks heavy duty haha
[11:47:59] <sharpen047> rebooting
[11:48:25] <sharpen047> darn forgot to put ssh into startup services lol
[11:48:42] <andypugh> Humph! He logged out before I could answer!
[11:49:54] <andypugh> sharpen047: Does your HAL include "loadrt prob_parport" ?
[11:50:10] <andypugh> (probably spelled correctly)
[11:50:48] <sharpen047> andypugh: its open! with 2 ports enabled!
[11:50:55] <sharpen047> wait.. this the right one sec
[11:51:18] <andypugh> If it is working, don't worry about it :-)
[11:52:11] <sharpen047> andypugh: how would i change pinouts of the second parport? since stepconf doesnt let me
[11:53:41] <andypugh> If you look at the connections made in the HAL file with parport.0, you need to copy and edit similar things for the other axes. (And once you have done that, you can't use Stepconf again without losing the changes)
[11:54:00] <sharpen047> yeah i found that out with the no force homing thing
[11:54:06] <andypugh> But Stepconf is not going to get you all that far with a 5-axis anyway
[11:54:13] <sharpen047> i should really install limit switches
[11:54:29] <sharpen047> yeah will emc know what to do with 5 axes?
[11:57:59] <andypugh> If you edit the INI to say that there are 5 and you want XYZAB (or 6 and XYZABC) and create [AXIS_N] sections for them all, then yes.
[11:58:02] <sharpen047> so A and C will both be rotary right?
[11:58:21] <andypugh> XYZAC is _still_ 6 joints, by the way.
[11:58:26] <sharpen047> isnt a and b for a rotary table and moving spindle?
[11:58:42] <sharpen047> i want a and b?
[11:58:58] <andypugh> It's up to you :-)
[11:59:50] <sharpen047> lol is a moving spindle and moving table the same thing? the software doesnt know which is which like a table x axis or moving gantry?
[12:01:57] <L84Supper> yeah, it's all relative
[12:02:04] <sharpen047> and for the rotary table with 1 to 8 reduction what would my leadscrew pitch be? would it be 360 or 1? there is no leadscrew its just a pulley
[12:03:05] <sharpen047> then if i get a mesa card what step rate would change? jitter would be the same right? so does that mean smaller pulses are generated?
[12:05:12] <L84Supper> you might be conflating a few things there that don't have anything to do with each other
[12:05:37] <sharpen047> how would a mesa card increase speed of the motors?
[12:06:14] <andypugh> You only ned to set the SCALE for the axis when editing by hand. And that is just the number of steps per degree.
[12:07:14] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:07:23] <andypugh> so yoiur SCALE would be 200 x 8 / 360 = 4.444444 (or more if you have microstepping)
[12:07:46] <pcw_home> If your base thread rate limits the step rate to something lower your drives/motors are capable of,
[12:07:48] <pcw_home> then yes a hardware stepgen will increase the maximum velocities
[12:07:53] <sharpen047> ms of 10
[12:07:56] <andypugh> Jitter is zero with a Mesa card, the steps are generated in Hardware
[12:07:57] <sharpen047> so 44.4
[12:08:06] <sharpen047> wait... NO jitter?
[12:08:30] <sharpen047> that mean i can use an nvidia card too? and a multicore processor?
[12:09:18] <andypugh> You still need good realtime performance to schedule the step rate
[12:09:18] <pcw_home> You do not want jitter thats an appreciable part of the servo thread time
[12:09:46] <sharpen047> ah ok but no jitter issues since its about 6000 now?
[12:10:29] <pcw_home> 10 times that is OK for a hardware stepgen system
[12:11:46] <sharpen047> ok and what kind of card would i want? pci or ethernet? im going to go look what i should expect to get one for
[12:12:11] <IchGuckLive> 7i80
[12:12:42] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: youre back!
[12:12:49] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:13:20] <pcw_home> I would get your parallel ports (and kinematics) working first and see
[12:13:21] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: would you be able to help me mod a faunc mill post for mastercam? i realize its a big job haha
[12:13:22] <pcw_home> where your limitations are before buying any more hardware
[12:13:45] <sharpen047> pcw_home: i need kinematics? and thats why i am doing this now
[12:14:26] <sharpen047> pcw_home: someone said mastercam would do the job of kinematics
[12:14:26] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: depending on your mashine layout it might not fit
[12:14:48] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i have a 3 axis now and id like to make a rotary table on a rotating table
[12:15:05] <pcw_home> Yes, AFAIK you need a 5 axis kinematics module that matches your mechanics
[12:15:16] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: so AXYZ
[12:15:25] <sharpen047> 5 axis
[12:15:29] <sharpen047> a and b
[12:15:52] <IchGuckLive> there the mindblower starts of
[12:16:13] <sharpen047> hardware isnt built yet for the table. it will be similar to this http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-engraving-machine-Rotary-Axis-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Axis-CNC-Rotary-Table/261198401838?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D7729271719685717765%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D261118755481%26
[12:16:56] <IchGuckLive> this mounted on XY
[12:17:10] <IchGuckLive> or only on X
[12:17:21] <IchGuckLive> if you go at XY
[12:17:33] <sharpen047> im guessing x and y?
[12:17:34] <IchGuckLive> you ae done with many posts to fit this
[12:18:53] <sharpen047> done with?
[12:19:11] <IchGuckLive> http://www.blaier.de/images/maschinen/th_hermle_c40u.jpg
[12:19:19] <IchGuckLive> this is yours mounted on Y
[12:19:27] <IchGuckLive> with Z on X
[12:20:04] <IchGuckLive> you can also go for XYZ AB
[12:20:14] <IchGuckLive> sorry AC
[12:20:17] <sharpen047> im not following,
[12:20:28] <sharpen047> what do you mean mounted on?
[12:20:38] <IchGuckLive> depending on mashine sezup the post reacts on kinetics
[12:21:06] <IchGuckLive> the axes mounted to the base
[12:21:32] <sharpen047> oh ok so mounted at an angle vs flat on the ground?
[12:22:59] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1aiDI-LJI
[12:23:00] <Tecan> (VS1aiDI-LJI) "Eifel Adds 5 Axis Machining Capabilities With Hermle C40" by "patropper" is "Tech" - Length: 0:03:14
[12:23:04] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: thanks for the 7i80 recommendation. even says on the page it works with my stepper driver, g540
[12:23:30] <IchGuckLive> vid at 1:02
[12:24:10] <IchGuckLive> Hermle uses M128 for 5 axis multisyncron milling
[12:24:22] <andypugh> I don't think the 7i80 is properly supported by LinuxCNC quite yet, though.
[12:26:03] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: thats a nice cnc.. which one is that moutnted on?
[12:26:05] <IchGuckLive> with your gecko best to use only a FPG card from mesa
[12:26:14] <sharpen047> andypugh: what do you recommend then?
[12:26:25] <IchGuckLive> this is a XYZ AC config
[12:26:56] <IchGuckLive> i think 7i43
[12:27:36] <sharpen047> AC is what i was planning on
[12:27:46] <andypugh> Get the parport working first, I say.
[12:28:32] <andypugh> By then the 7i80 support might be in a released version :-)
[12:28:35] <IchGuckLive> there are posts out for this
[12:28:53] <IchGuckLive> mastercam x4 has a Her,mle TNC 425 on board
[12:29:36] <IchGuckLive> you can use the iso for this to get real axis values insted of M128 Recalculate inside
[12:29:38] <sharpen047> wouldnt i need to modify my posts for the hardware i make? with offsets to the axis of the hardware? where would i find one? posted on cnczone with no luck after 2-3 weeks of posting and searching
[12:30:16] <IchGuckLive> only the ofset for the "schwenkpunkt" is needed
[12:30:32] <sharpen047> whats the iso?
[12:30:51] <sharpen047> theres a post for TNC 425 in mastercam already?
[12:30:53] <IchGuckLive> iso is G01 Hermle is L ,CP, Lp
[12:31:19] <sharpen047> "schwenkpunkt"?
[12:31:34] <IchGuckLive> calulated rotation point
[12:31:50] <IchGuckLive> verses real rotation axis point
[12:32:17] <sharpen047> ok so i would need to change the iso and offsets in the post? otherwise its already there?
[12:32:32] <sharpen047> or is that why you said kinematics since that would compensate for the real values
[12:32:33] <andypugh> I think that machine geometry would be inputs into the CAM, not fixed in the post.
[12:32:38] <IchGuckLive> its a simple textfile that mastercam reads in
[12:33:17] <IchGuckLive> post is ofsetting this
[12:33:21] <sharpen047> ah i feel so clueless
[12:33:52] <sharpen047> let me try to find the post or machine file through mastercam
[12:34:53] <sharpen047> not sure where it would be
[12:36:05] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: any idea where icould find it?
[12:36:59] <IchGuckLive> if you got a full or education license ther is a postmodyfier
[12:37:36] <IchGuckLive> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachments/ptc_pro_manufacture/45009d1191988685-proe_nc_post_processor_centriodm39-fil04.gif
[12:38:04] <sharpen047> i do not have any, mastercam isnt mine
[12:46:56] <sharpen047> how can i tell if the faunc is iso?
[12:47:18] <IchGuckLive> fanuc got many Cycles
[12:47:31] <IchGuckLive> haas is a dam controller
[12:49:03] <sharpen047> so am i stuck?
[12:49:25] <IchGuckLive> no
[12:49:43] <IchGuckLive> kinetics is your friend B)
[12:50:09] <sharpen047> so i need to find a machine that uses iso and use kinematics to adjust for "schwenkpunkt"
[12:50:19] <IchGuckLive> what is your goal to reasdch in parts
[12:50:38] <IchGuckLive> as 99% is a AXYZ
[12:50:51] <IchGuckLive> or a CXYZ
[12:50:59] <sharpen047> molds and holes in the side of things
[12:51:26] <IchGuckLive> holes parallel to Z is not 5 axis
[12:51:48] <sharpen047> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvzGJd8D7k if i can do that out of plastic
[12:51:49] <Tecan> (KAvzGJd8D7k) "C40U-Impeller" by "HermleAG" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:00
[12:52:01] <IchGuckLive> 5 axis is tool perpendicular to the material
[12:52:24] <IchGuckLive> impellar is 5 Axis
[12:53:28] <IchGuckLive> but you can also dio this on 4
[12:53:52] <IchGuckLive> as you turn your part and postprozess at different angels
[12:54:45] <sharpen047> how do i change the angles without a 5th axis?
[12:54:52] <IchGuckLive> Roufing etch ├╝plate space at cewnter degree and finishing on half spacingdegree to left and right
[12:55:39] <IchGuckLive> mashine is 5 axis but miling is on 4 and rotation positineng
[12:58:18] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: mabe this gives you a idee how the procedure works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd7JtgjwCog
[12:58:18] <Tecan> (zd7JtgjwCog) "VERICUT Training Session 301 MasterCAM to VERICUT Interface" by "Vericut01" is "Tech" - Length: 0:12:42
[12:59:17] <IchGuckLive> this is XZ YAC
[13:01:00] <sharpen047> so it comes down to tools too?
[13:01:16] <IchGuckLive> its the W ofset
[13:01:51] <IchGuckLive> from the Schwenkpunkt Tool tip towards G53 mesured
[13:03:22] <sharpen047> in other words it is manual
[13:03:37] <sharpen047> change orientation then run another toolpath
[13:03:52] <IchGuckLive> within toolpath
[13:03:58] <IchGuckLive> C45
[13:04:03] <IchGuckLive> C47.5
[13:04:20] <IchGuckLive> and inbetween the Code
[13:04:38] <IchGuckLive> with A moves on toolpath
[13:06:43] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BrUeAwDfAU at 2:20 you can see XYZ BC with fixed A45deg
[13:06:46] <Tecan> (8BrUeAwDfAU) "Siemens NX to VERICUT Demo File" by "Vericut01" is "Tech" - Length: 0:03:26
[13:06:49] <sharpen047> i5 axis is really hard?
[13:06:53] <IchGuckLive> its a Deckel Maho NX
[13:06:57] <sharpen047> hard to post
[13:08:48] <IchGuckLive> if you look hard in 1:56 at the G-code you see al the kinetics is given to the Cycles and M126 with M129 A45 is called
[13:10:25] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: this shoudt be your setup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAu61PrhIy0
[13:10:26] <Tecan> (tAu61PrhIy0) "Mazak-impeller.avi" by "Vericut01" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:01
[13:10:30] <sharpen047> i see though
[13:10:33] <andypugh> sharpen047: Try it, you can create G-code by hand, and the degree of difficulty youhave is indicative of how hard it is for a machine.
[13:10:48] <IchGuckLive> its a mazak impellar
[13:11:40] <sharpen047> isnt that 5 axis?
[13:11:55] <IchGuckLive> its a XYA C
[13:12:07] <sharpen047> i see
[13:12:35] <sharpen047> but i am converting my XYZ machine
[13:12:36] <andypugh> I thought that the Integrex was XZAC?
[13:12:43] <andypugh> Sorry, XYZAC
[13:13:08] <IchGuckLive> there is no Z on this mazak
[13:13:21] <IchGuckLive> Z is the turret
[13:13:32] <sharpen047> right thats why i am confused.. my machine is xyz and i want to add a table that has 4 and 5
[13:13:37] <sharpen047> i already have z
[13:13:50] <sharpen047> my cnc isnt like that one
[13:14:06] <IchGuckLive> so stay with XYZ and AC
[13:14:13] <sharpen047> so i need a post
[13:14:18] <sharpen047> haha
[13:14:45] <IchGuckLive> mastercam brings in all this standard configs
[13:15:01] <sharpen047> but i need iso right?
[13:15:55] <IchGuckLive> on Linuxcnc yes
[13:16:10] <sharpen047> how do i find an iso post?
[13:16:13] <IchGuckLive> no cycles no user mcodes
[13:17:00] <sharpen047> how would i do that?
[13:30:47] <sharpen047> andypugh: hey still there?
[13:30:52] <andypugh> Aye
[13:31:04] <sharpen047> ich a regular?
[13:31:11] <archivist> erm....yes
[13:31:20] <andypugh> Yes, though on CET.
[13:31:42] <sharpen047> hard to understand but he tries to help
[13:32:01] <sharpen047> haha, looks like ill need another cam program basically
[13:32:18] <archivist> he does not always find out you real needs so helps "his" way
[13:32:33] <sharpen047> i noticed haha
[13:32:40] <sharpen047> he said 4 axis and make another machine
[13:33:00] <archivist> I just shut up or some times tell him what the original question was
[13:33:23] <sharpen047> haha
[13:35:06] <sharpen047> 4 axis is a neat idea but doesnt work for my machine
[13:35:29] <sharpen047> cnctoolkit is supposed to have 5 axis cam processing but it just crashes for me
[13:35:50] <archivist> 5 axis cam is not trivial
[13:36:58] <sharpen047> i know mastercam.. and can get a toolpath from it how i want it but i cant get it from mastercam to emc
[13:36:59] <archivist> although for some stuff hand coding is a real option
[13:40:00] <archivist> one of the posts is probably near enough to start playing with
[13:41:17] <sharpen047> but i dont know where to start
[13:45:08] <sharpen047> i have mach3 but same issue, no post
[13:47:46] <archivist> have tried the generic haas 5 axis post yet ?
[13:48:15] <archivist> if I had mastercam it is what I would be looking at
[13:55:02] <sharpen047> i have
[13:55:09] <sharpen047> idk what to test to be honest
[13:55:21] <sharpen047> i changed the settings in mastercam
[13:55:31] <sharpen047> for AC rather than ab or whatever it had
[13:55:36] <archivist> and results? any error messages ?
[13:56:03] <sharpen047> yeah said bad character a last i tried but i havent tried it since i changed it
[13:56:17] <sharpen047> but dont i need kinematics still?
[13:57:25] <archivist> may not need kinematics dunno
[13:57:25] <sharpen047> ok let me get some test code going
[13:57:48] <archivist> you would get a bad character A if your machine is still set for 3 axis
[13:58:37] <archivist> one of the fist errors I remember when trying 4/5 axis on my machine while it was still 3
[13:58:41] <archivist> first
[13:59:33] <L84Supper> I thought that mastercam has a post builder that you are free to edit
[14:00:31] <archivist> I assume one needs a partial coding head to understand how to build a post
[14:01:25] <L84Supper> yeah, it's not like a simple graphical tool where you just connect the dots
[14:02:36] <L84Supper> I forgot what they said they wrote it in, but if you buy it they said it's all open to be modified, they have no closed blobs in the post processor
[14:03:47] <archivist> but looking at an exiting post should help there if one understands gcode
[14:03:59] <archivist> existing
[14:04:13] <L84Supper> http://www.mmattera.com/mastercam/posts/how2write_a_post.html they even mention that here
[14:07:47] <archivist> this line is funny Get the exact... Machine model, mfg name, control model number and control mfg. name.
[14:07:56] <archivist> I made it....
[14:10:13] <L84Supper> they have a way for you to write your own machine config as well
[14:10:51] <L84Supper> we asked them about how to support 5-axis printing
[14:11:34] <L84Supper> create additive tools and creating the machine config
[14:12:15] <L84Supper> it wasn't simple but it's in there if you want to modify it
[14:14:31] <tjb1> Starting as a manufacturing engineer on 16C collets in 3 weeks :D
[14:17:15] <L84Supper> Hardinge?
[14:17:28] <tjb1> yes
[14:17:57] <sharpen047> archivist: 5 axis is a lot harder than 3 to program haha takes FOREVER to calculate too
[14:25:58] <archivist> sharpen047, most of my little programs are within a day to hand write, but they are just for gears or regular shapes so each is usually based on something previous
[14:30:25] <archivist> once done they generally have a constant or few that get edited for a generic class of part
[14:39:15] <sharpen047> archivist: just interesting how hard they make it to make your own cncs with more than 3 axes
[14:39:46] <archivist> they?
[14:40:54] <sharpen047> every step is hard, generating code, post and even setting a pc up to control it
[14:42:04] <archivist> people do not make stuff hard to do deliberately, and hard is relative to previous experience
[14:44:36] <archivist> as complexity goes up, so do the possible number of permutations
[15:04:16] <sharpen047> archivist: cannot use 2 gcodes that use axis values
[15:07:52] <sharpen047> that is the error
[15:31:00] <archivist> sharpen047, er better description please
[16:07:05] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:13:11] <sharpen047> archivist: thats the error it gives me
[16:13:32] <cradek> on what line of gcode?
[16:14:50] <sharpen047> line 5 which is the tool descrip, 4 says g0 g28 g91 z0.and 6 says m11
[16:15:31] <cradek> ok, what have you tried to fix it?
[16:15:55] <sharpen047> changed posts deleted some lines after that still same thing
[16:16:34] <cradek> have you tried to identify what two gcodes on that line use axis values?
[16:17:11] <sharpen047> not yet
[16:17:21] <sharpen047> trying to figure out second par port pinouts
[16:17:37] <sharpen047> also doing a video tut on 5 axis mastercam stuff
[18:21:22] <PetefromTn> sucks to be broke sometimes.... http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/3814020816.html
[18:36:53] <andypugh> I wonder what is in the base?
[18:37:26] <andypugh> Looking at it, there are far fewer knobs and levers than normal, is that CNC?
[18:46:37] <PetefromTn> Dunno really, I am sure it is power fed but CNC I doubt it...especially for that price unless it is smoked control wise.
[18:48:35] <andypugh> Normally there are all sorts of trips and levers to set strokes and feeds.
[18:48:59] <andypugh> Unless it is totally manual, and the cabinet stand is far too big for that
[18:51:01] <andypugh> PetefromTn: http://www.trutechsystems.com/Other/TT8000_Email.pdf
[18:52:35] <PetefromTn> andypugh Yeah man I have seen a bunch of different kinds of surface grinders but dunno the story about that paricular one. Most I have seen are manual with just power feed for the table and height and position knobs.
[18:53:19] <PetefromTn> Either way I would not kick it out of my shop as that is one of the few capacities I don't have here LOL
[18:53:34] <andypugh> That Link is a very similar machine. (Truetech have merged with Harig. I think that at least the base machine is identical)
[18:54:06] <PetefromTn> I'm sure either way I cannot afford it right now but I just thought it was a decent price for a brand name surface grinder.
[18:54:41] <andypugh> This turned out well: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros#34357
[18:55:17] <andypugh> A Universal grinder is probably a better buy, if one comes up.
[18:58:06] <andypugh> This would be good, except that as far as I can see the grinding head is competely missing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/370757204536
[18:58:48] <andypugh> My dad has a very similar machine, and it can do surface and cylindrical (ID and OD) grinding.
[18:59:21] <PetefromTn> Would love to have both cylindrical grinding is sweet.
[18:59:29] <PetefromTn> Your lathe setup looks real nice man.
[19:00:35] <andypugh> It is rather guilty of looking a lot more advanced than it really is.
[19:01:30] <andypugh> That screenshot doesn't do anything I can't already do with PyVCP and 5 spinboxes.
[19:02:08] <andypugh> (Except for remembering the settings, and communicating far more efficiently with the G-code)
[19:02:24] <PetefromTn> yeah but you like it right LOL
[19:06:23] <Tom_itx> nice one andy
[19:09:05] <andypugh> I need to work out why, on my real lathe, it errors out with "can't do G1 move with zero feed rate", but it works perfectly on the sim.
[19:29:42] <L84Supper> http://www.bunniestudios.com/ I forget who was working on a IR laser 3D printer, but here's a teardown of the Form1 405nm SLA printer
[19:35:12] <andypugh> That looks like quite a nice machine to have.
[19:35:51] <L84Supper> it's much slower than a DLP based printer
[19:36:40] <L84Supper> lower cost SLA single laser 3D printers will be available shortly
[19:37:20] <L84Supper> the Form1 is ~$2300
[19:38:05] <L84Supper> sorry http://formlabs.com/collections/all $3300
[19:39:10] <andypugh> Hmm, DLP looks more tempting then.
[19:39:44] <andypugh> What does SLA stand for? I thought that was SLP (rather than SLS)
[19:40:04] <L84Supper> easily 6mm/m build rate with 100um layers
[19:40:26] <andypugh> Selective Laser Ablation sounds like a spectacular form of subtractive machining. ;-)
[19:40:31] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography
[19:42:05] <andypugh> Ah, so it is an RAY (Rubbish Acronym) where you take two initial letters and one totally random other one from one of the words :-)
[19:42:32] <L84Supper> yeah :)
[19:46:29] <L84Supper> http://production3dprinters.com/sites/production3dprinters.com/files/downloads/iPro-Family-USEN.pdf 30 years later this is about as fast as they tried to get them
[19:48:44] <L84Supper> 354.7nm 1.45W laser, 25m/sec drawing speed with 0.76mm spot
[19:52:52] <andypugh> We have some of those at work.
[19:54:13] <andypugh> My favourite machine at work is the one that takes a CAD model, FDMs a sand mould, then casts Aluminium into it. One-step cylinder heads.
[19:56:18] <toastydeath> that's god damn amazing
[20:00:01] <L84Supper> andypugh: does it inkjet binder into sand?
[20:00:31] <andypugh> I think so, yes.
[20:01:35] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFGnjkoeDng Sand Printing Process jump to 2:30 for the actual printing
[20:01:36] <Tecan> (LFGnjkoeDng) "ExOne Sand Printing Process" by "ExOne3D" is "Tech" - Length: 0:06:54
[20:05:43] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8MaVaqNr3U here's one with an engine block
[20:05:43] <Tecan> (Z8MaVaqNr3U) "Rapid Prototyping and Digital Sand Casting Services" by "PrometalRCT" is "Tech" - Length: 0:07:51
[20:06:14] <andypugh> That looks prettty much like the machine at work
[20:06:47] <andypugh> I should try for a transfer to that department :-)
[20:07:02] <L84Supper> they are all getting much faster and lower cost
[20:08:46] <sharpen047> does anyone use 5 axis simultaneusly?
[20:09:31] <andypugh> You tend to need to
[20:10:22] <sharpen047> then what is indexing for
[20:11:21] <andypugh> You do what is needed.
[20:12:03] <andypugh> A lot of 4-axis work is done by indexing, but that is basically 3-axis on multiple setups.
[20:12:40] <andypugh> linuxCNC supports 9-axis :-)
[20:13:04] <sharpen047> is camworks good?
[20:13:30] <sharpen047> it says the post for emc is 3 axis and 4 and 5 are indexing only as of 2009
[20:15:51] <andypugh> Learn Python, then extend PyCAM :-)
[20:17:15] <andypugh> Oh, that poor vice! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Milling-Vice-/281106678762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41734383ea
[20:17:16] <Tom_itx> i foget that one KimK said they were looking at
[20:17:22] <Tom_itx> forget*
[20:17:42] <Tom_itx> big bux though
[20:21:21] <sharpen047> andypugh: if i do that i may as well learn to write mastercam posts too!
[20:21:52] <andypugh> Indeed. There are never too few diverting hobbies to take up :-)
[20:25:26] <Tom_itx> http://www.nccs.com/pages/nccs_home.html
[20:26:27] <andypugh> Not inexpensive, I suspect
[20:26:55] <Tom_itx> he said they may give a talk on it next month
[20:27:32] <Tom_itx> apparently their main programmer likes it
[20:27:58] <andypugh> Which "He"?
[20:28:08] <Tom_itx> Stuart
[20:28:45] <Tom_itx> kimk was talking about them discussing that and another one they use i think
[20:29:16] <andypugh> It does look very capable.
[20:29:46] <Tom_itx> capable = expensive
[20:30:00] <Tom_itx> probably not as bad as catia
[20:30:11] <Tom_itx> and probably better
[20:31:01] <Tom_itx> andypugh, click on 'who is using'
[20:31:09] <Tom_itx> MPM is there
[20:31:21] <andypugh> Lots of companies with deep pockets
[20:32:12] <Tom_itx> did you see the tire mold?
[20:32:22] <Tom_itx> i bet those are fun to make
[20:35:07] <andypugh> I could do with a tyre mould, the one for the fire engine no longer exists.
[20:35:40] <Tom_itx> nobody sources them anymore?
[20:35:45] <andypugh> Though that just needs a big mould, there is no tread and the tyres are solid.
[20:36:18] <andypugh> How did I type "mould" when I meant "lathe"?
[22:37:00] <PetefromTn> Evening folks...
[22:44:29] <PetefromTn> What does all that is now known as stuff mean?
[22:45:32] <cradek> what?
[22:47:47] <PetefromTn> Always see people changing there screen names or something like Tom just did, is it from different places like thief shop and their house or cell or something?
[22:48:09] <PetefromTn> Oops their.
[22:49:09] <PetefromTn> Im just really new to this IRC stuff, always something getting punched in I don't understand I guess.
[22:50:07] <Tom_itx> on a netsplit or loss of server etc if it can't reconnect with the nick it will use an alternate
[22:50:40] <Tom_itx> i've probably half dozen registered nicks
[22:51:02] <PetefromTn> Oh so you have different screen names and it is just trying to hookup however it can?
[22:51:23] <PetefromTn> Interesting ...
[22:51:56] <Tom_itx> it may still be active on a server when i reconnect
[22:52:06] <Tom_itx> so it will get an alternate
[22:53:11] <PetefromTn> Just wondered ....
[22:56:59] <PetefromTn> Think I figured out a simple way to use my 3/4 inch led edge finder on my spare 3/4 inch facemill holder using a short lathe turned tube with setscrews. I am trying to get a few parts machined and I did not realize I bought an edge finder with such a wide diameter base. Goofed up I guess but oh well.
[22:58:36] <PetefromTn> Pete's the grass shark...LOL
[23:01:46] <PetefromTn> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yLpQm_4dC98
[23:01:47] <Tecan> (yLpQm_4dC98) "Vertical Milling Center Norte VS-2000 LinuxCNC" by "ghislain van de walle" is "Film" - Length: 0:01:49
[23:02:00] <PetefromTn> Looks pretty cool....anyone here?
[23:06:49] <PetefromTn> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZ4h3zCk2U
[23:06:50] <Tecan> (MbZ4h3zCk2U) "Ryno CNC Machine Test #3" by "Ryan Hamilton" is "Education" - Length: 0:03:56
[23:07:26] <PetefromTn> This one is funky looks like the whole world is moving with the table LOL...
[23:09:51] <grass_shark> Somehow those are not viewable in Ubuntu (they show up as mobile)
[23:10:32] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZ4h3zCk2U
[23:10:59] <Tom_itx> grass_shark, fix the link and its fine
[23:14:07] <PetefromTn> Oh really did I goof posting them? I am on my smartphone here and just copied and pasted the URL into andchat.
[23:17:35] <andypugh> PetefromTn: You could machine the edge-finder
[23:18:03] <andypugh> Or sell that one back to eBay and buy a dufferent one
[23:20:06] <PetefromTn> Andy, it is one of those cheaper Chinese led models and the body houses the leds and the batteries. Besides even if I could I probably would not want to this is just a temporary measure so I can use it with some reasonable accuracy to finish this project and get paid for it so I can buy a proper holder for the edge finder..
[23:21:42] <andypugh> If you swith the "m" in thise URLs for "www" it works better
[23:21:52] <grass_shark> andypugh I know someone has used the low pass successfully
[23:21:53] <grass_shark> on the jogging but I'm not sure of the hal wiring
[23:21:54] <grass_shark> I guess an extreme thing to to would be to put limit3 in series with the
[23:21:56] <grass_shark> commanded positions when jogging
[23:22:58] <PetefromTn> Ya mean after the V=?
[23:23:17] <grass_shark> ( not sure if the TPs limits are pins or parameters, maybe they could be muxed by jog enable)
[23:23:42] <andypugh> it will work, but you need to convert to float, filter, upscale, and convert back to int.
[23:24:44] <pcw_home> what about TPs settings? are they dynamically changeable?
[23:26:00] <andypugh> No
[23:26:29] <pcw_home> well thats unfortunate
[23:27:11] <andypugh> TP can't plan if you pull the rug from under its feet
[23:28:12] <pcw_home> it should be able to accept changes if its not in motion
[23:29:14] <andypugh> Accel is a parameter in the INI,
[23:30:16] <andypugh> But if you saw "move 1mm" then doung so in minimal time is arguably correct behaviour,
[23:31:24] <PetefromTn> Well goodnight fellas.
[23:31:26] <andypugh> 5am. Sleep time,
[23:31:30] <pcw_home> Well its really rough when jogging
[23:31:36] <pcw_home> nite
[23:31:42] <andypugh> Night all
[23:31:49] <Tom_itx> later andy