#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-15

[00:00:01] <Connor> but using the mill is a PITA.
[00:00:08] <PetefromTn> You should tell him to order the same pulleys and bring them all over and do them here together.
[00:00:19] <Connor> You have to have it in running condition.. and then.. you have to tear it down to check it.. and then.. if your not right.. your fracked.
[00:00:40] <PetefromTn> fracked LOL.
[00:00:59] <Connor> ssi what size shaft do you have on your motor ?
[00:01:19] <PetefromTn> I guess I will see tomorrow how bad the shars CNC vises are LOL...
[00:02:11] <Connor> PetefromTn: I need to make a adapter plate for my little 4" rotary table that'll work with my 4" chuck.. (IF I can ever get the R8 arbor off of it)
[00:02:30] <ssi> it's about .550
[00:02:30] <ssi> some metric size I'm sure haha
[00:02:30] <ssi> PetefromTn: if you're gonna be setting up to do them, I'll order them to your place
[00:02:36] <Connor> We'll need it in order to index the stupid holes for the set screws.
[00:02:44] <ssi> Connor: looks like 14mm?
[00:03:23] <Connor> You need to be exact. Yours is going to be different than mine.. since I'm using a different motor.
[00:03:25] <PetefromTn> ssi: Well I dunno anything about it other than what Connor tells me he needs but I can certainly do two if I can do one.
[00:03:43] <ssi> k gimme a second
[00:04:59] <PetefromTn> Connor: remeber when we talked about a speaker for the control, I am wondering if I can setup a little speaker that beeps when I do certain things in the control. It is actually a safety thing really.
[00:06:59] <ssi> 14.011mm :I
[00:07:54] <PetefromTn> Check out this bad boy...
[00:07:57] <PetefromTn> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcd/3797939004.html
[00:08:24] <ssi> and the spline is 21.65 OD
[00:10:03] <PetefromTn> Really need to get me a pair of these babies... Too bad I'm broke LOL
[00:10:07] <PetefromTn> http://www.ebay.com/itm/360641859342?var=630113014758&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[00:12:31] <PetefromTn> Thinking they would be perfect to light this enclosure.
[00:17:17] <ssi> booo
[00:18:01] <PetefromTn> what the hell happened?
[00:18:52] <Valen> netsplit
[00:18:56] <Connor> Dang machine locked up..
[00:19:00] <Connor> I miss anything ?
[00:19:06] <PetefromTn> Dunno if anyone can hear me but I am going ta bed. Gnight...
[00:19:13] <Connor> PetefromTn: I hear you
[00:19:22] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah...
[00:19:37] <PetefromTn> I was postiing and nobody was answering for quite awhile there.
[00:19:55] <Connor> net split + my machine locked up.
[00:19:57] <PetefromTn> I figured it was me getting dropped off again but dunno.
[00:19:59] <Connor> what did you say.
[00:20:10] <PetefromTn> What the hell is netsplit
[00:20:29] <Connor> IRC is made up of lots and lots of servers.. and they all talk with each other.. we might be on different ones.
[00:20:40] <Connor> and sometimes.. the servers loose the ability to communicate with each other..
[00:20:48] <Connor> and so, the room ends ups being seperated..
[00:21:13] <PetefromTn> oh that would splain why when I got back on there were only like ten people in te room.
[00:21:21] <Connor> Yup.
[00:22:02] <Connor> Last thing I saw was your link to a video.. that I didn't get to click on before my machine crashed.
[00:22:28] <PetefromTn> Well I am enjoying chatting with you fellas but I am gonna get to bed. Talk to you tomorrow. Lemme know when you fellas want to do that lathe work. Oh and if you can think of something I can make on the mill for profit I am all ears LOL...
[00:22:44] <PetefromTn> Okay.
[00:23:29] <PetefromTn> have a good night guys...peace
[00:23:35] <ssi> night pete
[00:23:38] <ssi> workin on your protram drawing
[00:23:49] <PetefromTn> LOL sweet.
[00:23:56] <Connor> ssi if you said how big your shaft was.. I didn't see it.
[00:24:03] <PetefromTn> Itll be another fun project sometime.
[00:24:06] <ssi> 14.011mm
[00:24:14] <ssi> I figure we can call that 14mm
[00:25:00] <Connor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yap36OW_RT4
[00:25:21] <Connor> I seeing this correctly.. They're running the spindle while probing ??
[00:25:22] <Connor> WTF ?
[00:25:42] <ssi> weird
[00:25:48] <ssi> hey should I ship pulleys to you or pete?
[00:26:13] <Connor> doesn't mater.. we're with 20 miles of each other.
[00:26:17] <ssi> ok
[00:26:24] <ssi> pm me one address or the other and I'll order those tonight
[00:26:30] <ssi> I'm going out of town thursday morning
[00:28:21] <ssi> I should order the same ones you're using?
[00:28:26] <ssi> or try to get a 14mm bore pulley for spindle
[00:29:01] <ssi> I mostly only see 12mm bore pulleys
[00:29:05] <Connor> I can't recall which one is which.. one already has 2 holes for set screws.
[00:29:11] <Connor> the other doesn't..
[00:29:14] <ssi> aha
[00:29:18] <Connor> I used the one with 2 set screws for the motor.
[00:29:35] <Connor> just order the two I did.. that way we can match them up correctly.
[00:29:48] <ssi> ok
[00:32:05] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[00:32:11] <tjtr33> has anyone formatted an SD card for the CubieBoard? ( the instructions say format as FAT but I got 32G SD and wonder if VFAT is appropo )
[00:33:02] <ssi> Connor: are you guys planning on working on this this weekend?
[00:33:08] <ssi> (trying to figure out how fast to ship them)
[00:33:27] <Connor> Probably not.
[00:33:35] <Connor> He said his wife and kids were sick..
[00:33:44] <Connor> Gonna stay away for a few days. :)
[00:33:44] <ssi> ok ground it is
[00:34:03] <Connor> ground, it'll be here in 2 days.. so.. MAYBE friday.. if not.. monday.
[00:34:19] <Connor> They're up in NY.
[00:34:21] <ssi> ok ordered
[00:40:04] <Connor> cool. I'll keep a look out for it.
[00:45:29] <tjtr33> fwiw: mkfs.msdos figures the best fat12/16/32 & vfat (Long FIle Names) for you based on an inspection of the device
[00:47:12] <Rob__> just started on my next project!
[00:47:18] <Rob__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2oSFpKh_Uw
[00:47:19] <Tecan> (z2oSFpKh_Uw) "Converting Computer ATX Power Supply to Lab Bench Power Supply" by "JumperOneTV" is "Tech" - Length: 0:14:58
[00:56:49] <GammaX-laptop> ssi, what u doin? converting it?
[00:56:58] <ssi> what, the mill?
[01:21:49] <ssi> I got the protram drawn up in solidworks
[01:21:56] <ssi> I wonder if I could 3d print one, lol
[02:02:13] <Andy1978> Is there a cli program which generates g-code from text in engraving fonts?
[02:02:15] <Andy1978> I saw a special font hershey for this (no ttf)
[02:02:43] <Andy1978> The font consist of line paths, not closed contours
[02:04:41] <archivist> this maybe http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/truetype
[02:05:23] <archivist> and see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators#Text_Engraving_Software
[02:06:57] <archivist> ttt should be hackable
[02:10:44] <Andy1978> Archivist: interesting, thank you for both links
[02:11:44] <Andy1978> I think ttt generates a envelope from a true type font
[02:11:53] <Andy1978> Or hull?
[02:12:46] <Andy1978> This was the reason I searched for hershey fonts
[02:12:55] <Andy1978> Which are specially generated for engraving
[02:13:17] <Andy1978> I think I have to write it myself.
[02:15:43] <Andy1978> Your second link to encraving software was nice. The python script there uses the qcad fonts
[02:15:47] <Andy1978> Ugly but simple
[02:17:17] <archivist> I think ttt is worth modifying add a switch for line fonts
[02:18:21] <archivist> there is also a need for vcarving to an outline which is a mod I started some time ago (not finished)
[02:20:46] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:21:15] <Andy1978> What programming language does ttt use?
[02:21:22] <Andy1978> Archivist
[02:21:34] <archivist> C
[02:21:49] <DJ9DJ> truetypetracer? :D
[02:22:39] <Andy1978> Yes
[02:22:54] <DJ9DJ> nice tool
[02:23:30] <Andy1978> Ah okay. I want to run it on an avr32 later so I have to have a closer look at the used dependencies
[02:23:43] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
[02:24:09] <archivist> hmm while back seems it was 2008 when I last played with it :)
[02:26:00] <Andy1978> Is it possible to use the linuxcnc axis program to output the gcode to a serial port and visualize the steps according to feedback?
[02:26:54] <Andy1978> Until now I saw the most projects use the parport but there is also alternative hardwarw
[02:29:31] <archivist> linuscnc does not support serial as its not realtime enough for cnc hardware control
[02:33:09] <Andy1978> No...
[02:33:19] <Andy1978> Output the gcode via serial port
[02:33:33] <Andy1978> And the connected cnc does the realtime timing
[02:34:05] <Andy1978> Do you understand me?
[02:34:07] <archivist> that is not how linuxcnc works
[02:35:05] <Andy1978> So there is no device which uses this approach yet?
[02:36:06] <Andy1978> No device which can be used with linuxcnc, to be clear
[02:37:10] <archivist> it divides in a different place currently at the nml message not gcode
[02:41:10] <archivist> or you put it all on the device and control via vnc
[02:41:30] <archivist> view rather than control
[02:45:36] <Andy1978> Hm, my idea was to use the nice GUI for visualisation and initialization like finding the home position
[02:46:39] <Andy1978> Archivist thank you very much for your helpd and ideas. I have ti digg into the code to decide which way is feasible
[02:48:51] <archivist> just use as is, no need to reinvent the wheel :)
[02:49:30] <Andy1978> Hm?
[02:49:41] <Andy1978> I cant use it as it is
[02:49:47] <archivist> we get about one a month wanting to do something similar...but it all works already and you need to do so much to get anywhere
[02:57:54] <AndChat|159600> The goal is to run the typesetting and engraving on AVR 8bit RISCs
[02:59:08] <AndChat|159600> And a nice additikn would be to use the axis GUI if a GNU+Linux system is available
[02:59:17] <archivist> just use a pc or the ARM work when its ready, avr is kina under powered
[02:59:28] <AndChat|159600> No...
[02:59:42] <AndChat|159600> A PC needs long to boot
[03:00:01] <AndChat|159600> The system should be available after 1second
[03:01:10] <archivist> so you want to use an underpowered platform and expect it to be faster !
[03:01:29] <AndChat|159600> The stepper timing is no problem on the avr, see the grbl project
[03:02:41] <Andy1978> Argh. Im on a train to munich... bad connection
[03:37:30] <archivist> rob_h, are there any museums worth looking at/near peterborough (have to do an ebay pickup at 4:30)
[03:42:50] <Tom_itx> if he needs to run avr8 have him look at the marlin reprap stuff
[03:46:19] <archivist> needs...I question the needs part
[03:46:45] <Tom_itx> i don't argue. the light will come thru the tunnel soon
[03:48:37] <Tom_itx> he should know about it though, i think marlin came from grbl but i'm not positive
[04:14:50] <carper64_lb_> morning gents
[04:20:05] <rob_h> archivist, there is one in peterborough not been in it for years tho
[05:03:22] <archivist> rob_h, I shall have a google see what I can find
[05:42:16] <DJ9DJ> re
[07:03:21] <cncbasher> jt?
[07:04:23] <jthornton> yes, what is triacchanger.hram-in-sw
[07:04:49] <cncbasher> their inputs from the limits
[07:05:03] <cncbasher> each arm has 2 limits
[07:05:11] <cncbasher> in & out
[07:05:17] <cncbasher> up & down
[07:05:59] <jthornton> net hram-in pyvcp.hram-in-led
[07:06:07] <jthornton> that should be all you need
[07:06:33] <jthornton> what device is triacchanger.hram-in-sw?
[07:06:47] <jthornton> I see it is connected to the 7i76 input
[07:07:11] <cncbasher> microswitch ( are -sw )
[07:07:29] <jthornton> in hal?
[07:08:13] <jthornton> or did you mean that to be a comment
[08:02:37] <rob_h> archivist, always drive down the raod 20miles and come see our museum of machines ;)
[09:13:47] <Valen> I would love to see that
[09:18:57] <frallzor> ahoyhoy
[09:33:34] <PetefromTn> Wow jeez this doesn't look like much fun at all... http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/clip-board/201305/scary-moment-drag-racer-crashes-230-mph
[09:52:15] <PetefromTn_> hello?
[09:52:50] <frallzor> Hola
[09:56:11] <PetefromTn_> ola frallzor..
[09:59:04] <frallzor> damn I'm bored...
[09:59:12] <ssi> hey pete
[09:59:45] <frallzor> http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8742/img4933c.jpg this wlll be made into some nice custom coasters
[10:02:15] <PetefromTn_> ssi: Hey man hows things?
[10:04:04] <ssi> good, I got your protram model done
[10:05:07] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah thanks man.
[10:05:31] <PetefromTn_> I am sitting here camming up the first real paying job for my machine.
[10:06:01] <PetefromTn_> Unfortunately it is nothing more than three slots in a piece of square steel tubing.
[10:06:24] <PetefromTn_> I need to machine the three about 18 times
[10:06:53] <PetefromTn_> So I am waiting to receive my new Shars CNC vise that is supposed to be arriving today before I setup the machine with it.
[10:06:58] <ssi> haha
[10:07:22] <PetefromTn_> It's not much but it is something and hopefully if I do good for this fellow he will bring me more interesting work LOL
[10:07:37] <ssi> so I made the model, and for giggles I tried 3d printing it
[10:07:37] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKUIYZ1CMAAlTz2.jpg:large
[10:08:04] <PetefromTn_> Hey thats not bad actually...
[10:08:16] <ssi> heheh I bet it'll work fine too
[10:08:18] <PetefromTn_> how flat and square is it...
[10:08:32] <ssi> enough
[10:08:36] <ssi> and it doesn't have to be precise
[10:08:44] <PetefromTn_> Why not?
[10:08:45] <ssi> you calibrate any error out of it
[10:09:12] <ssi> they give you a little pill magnet with the tool, stick that to the table
[10:09:19] <PetefromTn_> And why does the one cup have the extra slot for the lock down ring thumbscrew and the other does not?
[10:09:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah..
[10:09:46] <ssi> bring it down on the magnet to a fixed Z, set the indicator to zero, then spin it around 180 and touch the other one to the magnet at the same fixed Z, set the indicator to zero
[10:10:11] <ssi> the left one is missing the lock screw slot because I accidentally suppressed it in solidworks when I exported the STL
[10:10:14] <ssi> heh
[10:10:20] <PetefromTn_> LOL...
[10:11:06] <PetefromTn_> How does that calibrate it? If the spindle is off initially and you spin it that doesn't just take the misalignment and make it appear square when its not no?
[10:11:20] <tjtr33> bidspotter, an online auction just called me about an auction today in GrandRapids. cnc parts for real cnc machine tools, maybe of interest http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=20930
[10:11:20] <tjtr33> big drives motors some Komet tooling plcs , i am not affiliated
[10:11:28] <ssi> no
[10:12:02] <ssi> since you're calibrating them both at the same spot, you're ensuring that both indicators read zero at exactly the same distance from the spindle in Z
[10:12:33] <ssi> then when you bring it down on the table or vise, you're measuring how far the table is from the spindle in Z at each indicator point
[10:12:42] <ssi> when those are dead equal, it's in tram
[10:13:19] <PetefromTn_> huh, I guess you need to think of it in a severe misalignment to understand how it works..
[10:13:53] <PetefromTn_> SHould also be receiving my new chinco LED edge finder too.
[10:14:09] <PetefromTn_> Hoping it will be halfway decent.
[10:14:13] <ssi> I don't use edgefinders anymore
[10:14:20] <PetefromTn_> probes?
[10:14:23] <ssi> I usually just touch off a spot drill
[10:14:31] <ssi> manuall
[10:14:35] <PetefromTn_> really..
[10:14:37] <ssi> yea
[10:15:07] <PetefromTn_> I have always kept a mechanical edge finder in a toolholder specifically for setting up with.
[10:15:24] <ssi> I've never had great luck with them
[10:15:29] <PetefromTn_> I sold the last one which was a starret with the CNC'd RF45 I sold.
[10:15:33] <jdh> tjtr33: one near me also, but I can't pick up in time: http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=21046
[10:15:49] <tjtr33> indicol to tram spindles to tables, also finds centers also trams work square
[10:15:51] <ssi> if I need more accuracy than touching off a spot drill, I use a coaxial indicator and locate off a hole
[10:15:53] <tjtr33> jdh tx
[10:15:59] <PetefromTn_> Hmm... I have always had excellent results
[10:16:13] <jdh> what if there is no hole?
[10:16:29] <jdh> I like my little spinny edge finder thingie.
[10:16:38] <ssi> then what's so damn important that an edge touchoff won't do? :D
[10:16:39] <PetefromTn_> I like my coax but I don't trust it that much.
[10:17:17] <PetefromTn_> I agree that an indicol on the spindle is extremely useful and accurate.
[10:17:32] <ssi> not for touching off really
[10:17:49] <ssi> works for center finding, but I prefer coaxial indicator
[10:18:22] <PetefromTn_> Where I used to work they had some nice setups with last word indicators that were real useful. They had long reach adjustable arms. Cannot recall the brand.
[10:19:19] <ssi> rule of thumb is
[10:19:23] <ssi> all your money are belong to tooling
[10:19:43] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I plan to build a table mounted tool sensor and use this edge finder to locate work offsets.
[10:19:47] <tjtr33> want america to go metric? buy me a new toolset!
[10:20:18] <ssi> tjtr33: no, not really :P
[10:20:19] <PetefromTn_> Thats for sure, tooling be spensive..
[10:20:54] <PetefromTn_> How long did it take to print that part dude?
[10:21:00] <ssi> 2h47m
[10:21:10] <PetefromTn_> not bad..
[10:21:33] <PetefromTn_> I could probably machine it in 20 minutes on the Cinci LOL.
[10:21:42] <ssi> plus 2.5hr of setup :)
[10:21:53] <PetefromTn_> Aint that the kicker always..
[10:22:23] <PetefromTn_> hey it's Mr. Bojangles...
[10:22:54] <Tom_itx> that's one reason i made my tool list match my cad cam tool list
[10:23:09] <Tom_itx> and try to have them preset
[10:24:09] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: yup I do the same thing...
[10:24:30] <PetefromTn_> Nice that LinuxCNC's tool table is a seperate file you can copy and paste apparently.
[10:24:43] <Tom_itx> or edit in gedit
[10:25:31] <PetefromTn_> Im just saying that you can copy it to a flash drive and take it in the house to the Cad Cam computer and load it up to compare the two.
[10:26:18] <jdh> or just export your ~/linuxcnc dir via samba and pull it up in notepad
[10:26:35] <PetefromTn_> whats samba?
[10:26:52] <Tom_itx> :( local guy doesn't carry half round drills
[10:27:01] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, just wait for mach4 - the tool table will be a text file.. Go figure..
[10:27:06] <skunkworks> ;)
[10:27:16] <PetefromTn_> Yeah you can keep it LOL
[10:27:16] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, samba is file sharing,
[10:27:25] <PetefromTn_> is it part of linux?
[10:27:28] <skunkworks> yes
[10:27:55] <jdh> you can save your CAM files directly to your linuxcnc disk
[10:28:03] <PetefromTn_> How many of you peeps use a network link on your machine tool to load and receive files from?
[10:28:08] <ssi> I do
[10:28:13] <skunkworks> Me
[10:28:18] <jdh> me
[10:28:20] <PetefromTn_> Have you ever had any issues?
[10:28:22] <Tom_itx> jdh, i tried to get my windows cam to do that but it didn't like it
[10:28:26] <skunkworks> (and watch youtube videos...)
[10:28:33] <ssi> yeah, I never have enough network drops in the shop where I need them
[10:28:39] <jdh> but, no pr0n allowed on machines
[10:28:51] <PetefromTn_> Im talking wireless here..
[10:28:52] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, again - this isn't mach... This is a reatime patched operating system..
[10:29:03] <jdh> I use a PCI wifi card
[10:29:07] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't trust wireless in a noisy shop environment
[10:29:19] <skunkworks> I would try to stick with wired...
[10:29:32] <PetefromTn_> SO you are all talked wired networking here then..
[10:29:41] <jdh> I'm talking wireless
[10:29:44] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[10:29:50] <Tom_itx> most of ours were wired for rs232, no networks installed back then
[10:29:51] <PetefromTn_> Hi IchGuckLive
[10:30:03] <IchGuckLive> im 2 on a 150m beam
[10:30:03] <jdh> you're living in the past
[10:30:24] <Tom_itx> well it was probably 20 yrs ago
[10:30:33] <PetefromTn_> jdh: Have you ever had issues with the wireless in the shop?
[10:30:35] * cpresser loads all gcode from a NFS-Share. no problems so far
[10:30:35] <cradek> wireless is awesome for surfing the web in a coffee shop
[10:30:37] <jdh> yeah, when you had to walk uphill, both ways
[10:30:52] <ssi> lol
[10:30:54] <jdh> Pete: no, but it's just a hobby mill in my garage
[10:30:57] <PetefromTn_> in the snow right..
[10:31:02] <Tom_itx> blizzard
[10:31:06] <IchGuckLive> i got a NAS in the Shop
[10:31:17] <PetefromTn_> whatza NAS?
[10:31:32] <IchGuckLive> Network administration server
[10:31:41] <PetefromTn_> wireless?
[10:31:41] <jdh> networked attached storage
[10:31:42] <cpresser> NetworkAttachedStoreg
[10:31:43] <ssi> network attached storage :P
[10:31:46] <cpresser> ^^
[10:31:49] <cradek> marketing acronym
[10:32:14] <PetefromTn_> interesting...
[10:32:16] <IchGuckLive> all stand alone PC save a copy to this and can read from this
[10:32:21] <cpresser> true, basically its a file-server
[10:32:28] <IchGuckLive> yes
[10:32:35] <PetefromTn_> wired?
[10:32:42] <cpresser> sure :)
[10:32:48] <IchGuckLive> to asome yes
[10:33:00] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[10:33:14] <PetefromTn_> Stupid question here...
[10:33:20] <IchGuckLive> the TV got the movies from there
[10:33:29] <IchGuckLive> the satalite dish saves 2 it
[10:33:46] <ssi> it's super useful when people list machines for sale but don't say WHERE THEY ARE
[10:33:55] <PetefromTn_> Why does Linux CNC axis not include an indicator showing the tool number in use?
[10:34:01] <ssi> there is
[10:34:04] <ssi> at the bottom, in the status line
[10:34:06] <Tom_itx> at the bottom
[10:34:11] <Tom_itx> i also added one on the side
[10:34:12] <frallzor> NAS ftw
[10:34:19] <PetefromTn_> really I did not see it anywhere...
[10:34:20] <Tom_itx> showing the tool offset value as well
[10:34:35] <frallzor> I got one on this floor that streams "blu-ray copies" to my projector =P
[10:34:37] <Tom_itx> along the status bar at the bottom
[10:34:43] <PetefromTn_> huh... gonna have to look closer I guess.
[10:34:56] * Tom_itx gives PetefromTn_ some spectacles
[10:35:58] <PetefromTn_> Also would be nice to have buttons to turn the coolant on and off that work during a program as well as some buttons that give 10%,50%, and 100% spindle and feedrate overrides at a click...
[10:36:06] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: probably...
[10:36:10] <Tom_itx> you can add them
[10:36:24] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: you can do a pyvcb BIG numger at the side 2 halui.tool.number got the number
[10:36:49] <PetefromTn_> IchGuckLive: thats all greek to me LOL
[10:37:09] <Tom_itx> i should take a screenshot
[10:37:23] <IchGuckLive> do you use pyvcp or glade PetefromTn_
[10:37:35] <PetefromTn_> Having run a program or two now I definitely like the control system and it seems to work excellent but there are a lot of little things I would like to have added to the display.
[10:38:08] <PetefromTn_> I dunno, Connor did my MPG panel with buttons for the axes and on and off. Cannot remember how he did it tho.
[10:38:15] <IchGuckLive> get you a panel on side
[10:38:16] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, time to start customizing it
[10:38:26] <IchGuckLive> tom got it
[10:38:27] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: love to see your screenshot.
[10:38:31] <tjtr33> pyvcp and gladevcp are DIY linuxcnc screen builders. the wiki has loads of xmpls
[10:38:38] <PetefromTn_> Of your panel that is LOL.
[10:38:57] <ssi> I need to do some pyvcp for the plasma
[10:38:58] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/pyvcp_examples.html
[10:39:09] <IchGuckLive> ssi thats good
[10:39:12] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33: Yeah I know just don't know much about how to program this stuff...
[10:39:38] <PetefromTn_> I'm far more of a mech guy than a tech guy ROFL...
[10:39:50] <IchGuckLive> ssi: this is what your plasma needs http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[10:40:05] <IchGuckLive> its the hell of a pendand
[10:40:10] <IchGuckLive> t
[10:40:24] <IchGuckLive> 12 butons and 7 axis
[10:40:25] <ssi> yea I might oughta mess with it
[10:40:36] <IchGuckLive> i use it
[10:41:00] <ssi> plasma has been earning its keep
[10:41:01] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR1ZaVCcAAQ_7t.jpg:large
[10:41:04] <PetefromTn_> I would at some point really like to build or buy a NICE professional looking portable pendant for the machine.
[10:41:05] <ssi> making all my servo mounts
[10:41:10] <ssi> got all three axes done
[10:41:11] <IchGuckLive> also at a active 10m usb it works well yu can be 7+m away from the mashine and move all
[10:41:58] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[10:43:02] <IchGuckLive> tom is it posibel to get the xml and the custom:_postgui.hal
[10:43:15] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I ordered those pulleys and had them sent to connor's
[10:43:25] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, i don't see why not
[10:43:26] <FinboySlick> Haha. I looked at the picture, then I started clicking on it to scroll up.
[10:43:51] <ssi> dang flaky pete
[10:43:52] <ssi> haha
[10:43:54] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I ordered those pulleys and had them sent to connor's
[10:43:58] <Tom_itx> i bet he missed it too
[10:44:01] <PetefromTn> Getting real damn tired of being bumped off..
[10:44:01] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn ^^
[10:44:11] <Tom_itx> did you get that link?
[10:44:17] <PetefromTn> nope..
[10:44:25] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[10:44:42] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, i'll post in a bit
[10:44:54] <IchGuckLive> B)
[10:45:08] <jdh> ssi: do you have your spindle motor mounted?
[10:45:27] <Tom_itx> the 2 cycle times show time to first M0 and overall run time
[10:45:42] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Thats sweet man...
[10:45:55] <ssi> jdh: not yet
[10:46:08] <Tom_itx> i'll probably add a couple more things
[10:46:10] <PetefromTn> whats all that shtuff above the view window>>
[10:46:13] <jdh> you doing belt and new bearings?
[10:46:13] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: the 0.0 above axis zero
[10:46:21] <ssi> probably not new bearings right away
[10:46:29] <PetefromTn> ssi: Sounds good man I will try to not screw them up for ya LOL
[10:46:32] <Tom_itx> spindle speed
[10:46:33] <ssi> PetefromTn: :D
[10:46:38] <Tom_itx> both graphic and numeric
[10:46:43] <IchGuckLive> Nice
[10:46:59] <PetefromTn> No I mean the folder tabs..
[10:47:00] <Tom_itx> you'll have to change that for your own encoder
[10:47:07] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: calculaded or return from VFD
[10:47:18] <Tom_itx> calc
[10:47:49] <ssi> PetefromTn: ngcgui I think
[10:47:59] <IchGuckLive> the ofset is Z from tool or the diameter
[10:48:03] <PetefromTn> whazzat?
[10:48:18] <ssi> PetefromTn: it's like a conversational interface
[10:48:31] <PetefromTn> REALLY!!
[10:48:38] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, that's addons that are builtin
[10:48:57] <tjtr33> i think you can put the numeric value inside the analog meter, in place of the text
[10:49:16] <Tom_itx> in the raised pannel?
[10:49:32] <Tom_itx> it's easy for me to see this way
[10:49:33] <tjtr33> inside the circle of the meter
[10:49:39] <IchGuckLive> ok finish work Tom_itx im back in 1,5hr waiting to see your xml
[10:49:51] <Tom_itx> gimme a sec and i'll post it now
[10:49:57] <IchGuckLive> ok
[10:50:05] <jdh> Pete: are you boring 704 spindle pulleys?
[10:50:09] <tjtr33> ok but me & Ich wondered what the 0,0 was related to
[10:50:12] <Connor> PetefromTn: The stuff above the view window is what I was telling you about.. that's were the wizards and stuff goes.
[10:50:36] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: numbert RPM
[10:50:45] <tjtr33> yah got that thx
[10:50:59] <IchGuckLive> he realy wants t know whats going on
[10:51:06] <Connor> and PetefromTn You may want to look for a different IRC Client.
[10:51:16] <PetefromTn_> WTF!!
[10:51:26] <Connor> PetefromTn: The stuff above the view window is what I was telling you about.. that's were the wizards and stuff goes.
[10:51:29] <Tom_itx> i have to manually set my SS so i like the display
[10:51:32] <Connor> and PetefromTn You may want to look for a different IRC Client.
[10:51:58] <PetefromTn_> Ya mean quassel or something else?
[10:52:06] <IchGuckLive> chatzilla
[10:52:06] <Connor> yea.
[10:52:10] <Connor> or mIRC
[10:52:25] <PetefromTn_> really annoying...
[10:52:37] <PetefromTn_> Barely got this one setup \
[10:52:37] <IchGuckLive> chatzilla is mozilla adon
[10:52:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh really I have mozily
[10:53:18] <IchGuckLive> extra adon type chatzila and ok
[10:53:18] <PetefromTn_> Connor: How can I get blessed with all that SHTUFF atop the view window
[10:53:18] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[10:53:50] <PetefromTn_> Gonna try to download another IRC thingy...
[10:53:51] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, add it to your ini file
[10:53:52] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I'll see about hooking you up next time I'm over there.. or maybe we can walk you through it in IRC.
[10:54:05] <PetefromTn_> It is a download somewhere?
[10:54:14] <Tom_itx> you have 2.5.2?
[10:54:20] <Tom_itx> it's installed already
[10:54:21] <Connor> Tom_itx: I have him on 2.6.x
[10:54:38] <PetefromTn_> does that mean Im screwed?
[10:54:42] <Connor> no.
[10:54:43] <Tom_itx> no
[10:54:49] <Tom_itx> you just need to add it to the ini
[10:54:55] <Tom_itx> there's a howto for it somewhere
[10:54:58] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: thanks im off By
[10:55:02] <Tom_itx> np
[10:55:11] <Connor> 2.5.2 is the official stable release. 2.6.x is development..
[10:55:58] <PetefromTn_> Downloading MIRC>
[10:56:52] <PetefromTn_> Do I need to close this CHat before I open MIRC?
[10:57:02] <ReadError_> no
[10:57:03] <Connor> No.
[10:57:07] <PetefromTn_> cool...
[10:57:18] <Connor> You'll just be in the room twice. :) One as PetefromTn_ and one as PetefromTn
[10:58:15] <jdh> Connor: did you get a new motor mounting plate or reuse the existing one?
[10:58:57] <PetefromTn_> ya gotta buy MIRC?
[10:59:06] <ReadError_> no
[10:59:14] <ReadError_> you just click continue on the nag screen
[10:59:22] <ReadError_> its like winrar
[10:59:22] <PetefromTn_> says 30 day eval copy..
[10:59:54] <ReadError_> nobody buys it
[11:00:00] <ReadError_> well maybe like 15 people have
[11:00:07] <PetefromTn_> LOL..
[11:02:55] <PetefromTn_> hello?
[11:03:31] * ReadError_ : Message failed.
[11:03:33] <Tom_itx> now you can make a mIrc script to auto login and reconnect etc
[11:03:52] <PetefromTn_> is it on?
[11:04:04] <Tom_itx> where'd PetefromTn_ go?
[11:04:38] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: Should I add freenode random server
[11:04:54] <Tom_itx> i think that's what mine is
[11:05:08] <PetefromTn_> or random US server?
[11:05:36] <Connor> jdh ? For my Treadmill motor ?
[11:05:56] <PetefromTn> hey anyone hear me?
[11:06:01] <ssi> PetefromTn: loud and clear
[11:06:03] <Connor> I made a whole new mounting plate.
[11:06:16] <jdh> cool. got pics?
[11:06:17] <Connor> Followed Hoss's plan's on that in fact..
[11:06:23] <PetefromTn> YEAH I DID IT! Strike one for the non tech guy LOL
[11:06:40] <PetefromTn> hello?
[11:06:40] <Connor> Not yet. I want to wait till I finish up the PDB.. Which WILL be this Weekend.
[11:06:45] <Connor> PetefromTn: Yup.
[11:06:56] <ssi> Connor: how are you doing that? hoss's plans again?
[11:06:57] <jdh> how thick? 3/4?
[11:07:23] <Connor> ssi: Kinda.. Mostly as reference on the PDB.
[11:07:34] <ssi> take lots of pictures
[11:07:37] <Connor> jdh Yea. 3/4" on the side supports and for the top plate.
[11:07:39] <ssi> I want to do a pdb pretty soon
[11:07:59] <Connor> uses a large diameter tube too.
[11:08:15] <ssi> Connor: are you gonna have to turn your drawbar down at all?
[11:08:54] <Connor> completly replaced it with 7/16 ?? (I think) Threaded rod.. Not the cheap stuff either..good grade..
[11:09:04] <ssi> ah
[11:09:07] <Connor> and a lug nut on top.. Locktighted in place.
[11:09:18] <ssi> using belleville springs?
[11:09:22] <Connor> yup
[11:09:33] <ssi> do they bear directly down on the top of the quill?
[11:09:40] <ssi> or on a nut on the quill or something
[11:09:54] <Connor> On a "top hat" that the lift plate goes under..
[11:10:12] <ssi> I see
[11:10:17] <Connor> it's a pinch style.. that way no pressure on the quill or spindle.
[11:10:32] <PetefromTn> Not diggin the white here...
[11:10:47] <ssi> so the hat is threaded on the quill? and then the springs bear on a hat, which is bearing on a lift plate
[11:10:55] <Connor> PetefromTn: Been a while since I've used mIRC.. I think you can change the font colors.
[11:11:03] <ssi> so all your downforce from the cylinder is bearing on the lift plate
[11:11:09] <PetefromTn> Yeah messin with it now..
[11:11:14] <Connor> ssi Bingo.
[11:11:20] <PetefromTn> Im a messer.
[11:11:20] <ssi> Connor: what are you using for a cylinder?
[11:11:55] <Connor> Fabco 3 stage 3.5" Diameter, 1" stoke
[11:12:01] <Connor> off of ebay.
[11:12:43] <ssi> how much force is it rated for?
[11:13:07] <Connor> I don't recall.. but, enough... more than enough. :)
[11:13:08] <PetefromTn> jeez it'l even talk to you LOL...
[11:13:25] <Connor> I'm going to be using Scuba tanks to run it..
[11:13:32] <ssi> hah really
[11:13:51] <ssi> I'd much prefer something that'll run on shop air
[11:14:01] <Connor> Yea. I have a little air compressor.. but I have 2 steel tanks and a primary stage setup for providing the air source.
[11:14:04] <ssi> I might need a lever to do that
[11:14:38] <PetefromTn> you guys sound funny with a female voice LOL
[11:14:42] <ssi> hah
[11:14:54] <Connor> ssi I have a very SMALL workspace.. 11' x 7' room.. that's it.. and most if it is eatin up by a 7' x 40" Stainless Steel Elevator door as a workbench.
[11:15:02] <ssi> I see
[11:15:11] <ssi> PetefromTn: don't involve us in your sick fantasies!
[11:15:19] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/shop/
[11:15:42] <Connor> pre Mill, Pre MDF box for the Vacuum.. Radial Arm saw is now gone..
[11:15:53] <ssi> was gonna say
[11:15:55] <PetefromTn> ssi Aww why not?
[11:15:59] <ssi> there's your problem, full up with wood tools :P
[11:16:24] <Connor> I still have the Drill Press and the Band saw.
[11:16:41] <PetefromTn> How come I can't type the first letter of a name and hit tab anymore.
[11:16:42] <Connor> and the miter saw.. which is now setup for cutting down alumn stock.
[11:16:42] <ssi> nice crane
[11:17:04] <Connor> PetefromTn: Hmm.. Not sure.. some clients may not support that.. I could have sworn mIRC did.
[11:17:29] <PetefromTn> Connor Hmm it works for you not ssi for some reason..
[11:17:41] <PetefromTn> Maybe it does not like him LOL
[11:17:43] <ssi> :'(
[11:17:45] <Connor> Do ss then tab
[11:17:52] <Connor> lots of s's in the room.
[11:17:58] <PetefromTn> ssi Yeah I know..
[11:18:25] <PetefromTn> well we'll see how long it takes me to get kicked off on this chat now right..
[11:18:45] <Connor> Hopefully it'll be more stable.. could be the client.. could be the server the client is sending you too..
[11:19:22] <PetefromTn> so far it is pretty good tho..
[11:19:45] <ssi> aw man I really don't want to go into the office for a stupid meeting
[11:19:55] <ssi> I have the "tomorrow I go on vacation" fuckits real bad
[11:20:01] <PetefromTn> want some cheese with that whine...?
[11:20:17] <PetefromTn> whatza vacation?
[11:21:08] <ssi> well it means something different for me than it does most people :P
[11:21:18] <PetefromTn> dress in drag?
[11:21:26] <ssi> yea pretty muchthat
[11:21:32] <PetefromTn> LOL
[11:22:10] <Connor> ssi: What do you do ?
[11:22:22] <ssi> Connor: software crap
[11:22:41] <Connor> Yea.. little more specific.. cause.. My job falls into that too. :)
[11:22:55] <jdh> mine too
[11:23:09] <jdh> anyone else hate computers?
[11:23:11] <ssi> I'm a principal architect for turner
[11:23:20] <PetefromTn> ooh me I do I do..
[11:23:34] <ssi> ie, software crap
[11:23:37] <Connor> as in Turner broadcasting ?
[11:23:39] <ssi> yep
[11:24:06] <Connor> as in Very Funny?
[11:24:12] <Connor> I hate that tag line...
[11:24:20] <PetefromTn> must not be too bad, I mean after all you have CNC toys and you are building your own airplane right...
[11:24:24] <ssi> i design (and sometimes implement) all the backend data sutff for cnn and all our sportsand entertainment properties
[11:24:30] <Connor> Why on earth does a TV show need to proclaim themselves as "Very Funny"
[11:24:32] <ssi> PetefromTn: i'm single and in a lot of debt
[11:24:43] <PetefromTn> Ooh Im sorry...
[11:24:45] <ssi> :)
[11:24:55] <ssi> it's fine
[11:24:57] <PetefromTn> how did that happen, nice fellow like yourself.
[11:25:03] <ssi> I'm just not the millionaire everyone thinks I must be
[11:25:09] <PetefromTn> are you an ugly bastard?
[11:25:09] <Connor> I do webdevelopment + database crap + network admin
[11:25:15] <ssi> it's amazing how much money you can spend on yourself when you don't spend it on women and children
[11:25:28] <ssi> and yes, I'm an ugly bastard
[11:25:30] <PetefromTn> I am sure...
[11:25:34] <ssi> someone in here even thought I was british
[11:25:36] <PetefromTn> hey me too!
[11:25:36] <ssi> BRITISH!
[11:25:42] <ssi> hahahaha
[11:26:07] <jdh> they have dentists for that.
[11:26:12] <Connor> Well.. probably because of the whois info..
[11:26:18] <ssi> meh
[11:26:22] <Connor> Username: ~ssi@app2.prototechnical.com
[11:26:22] <Connor> Real name: Ian
[11:26:22] <Connor> Server: holmes.freenode.net (London, UK)
[11:26:22] <PetefromTn> I'll introduce you to my wifes sister...she's a nutcase. and ugly too.
[11:26:22] <ssi> teeth are overrated
[11:26:34] <ssi> Connor: aha
[11:26:40] <ssi> I let it autoselect servers
[11:26:55] <ssi> PetefromTn: lol
[11:27:15] <PetefromTn> you got the skinny on me too Connor...?
[11:27:17] <ssi> obviously she's an outlier on the hot/crazy continuum
[11:27:30] <Connor> Username: PetefromTn@66-191-249-180.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com
[11:27:30] <Connor> Real name: ...
[11:27:30] <Connor> Server: hitchcock.freenode.net (Sofia, BG, EU)
[11:27:31] <PetefromTn> yeah WAY out...
[11:27:54] <ssi> so do people think pete's bulgarian?
[11:27:56] <ssi> or whatever the hell that is
[11:28:06] <Connor> No clue.. it changes everytime you login.
[11:28:06] <ssi> yea bulgaria
[11:28:20] <Connor> But.. Pete is clearly from TN
[11:28:30] <PetefromTn> yep but I'm Italian...LOL
[11:28:47] <ssi> and I'm clearly... maintaining my irc client in a screen session on a colocated server in downtown atlanta :P
[11:28:51] <Connor> Not sure where people think I'm from.. I'm up and strange hours..
[11:29:02] <jdh> knoxvegas
[11:29:08] <jdh> the accent gives it away
[11:29:17] <PetefromTn> Gawd I hate that I am living here LOL
[11:29:26] <jdh> that and the geotag in the exif
[11:29:27] <Connor> Watcha talkin bought? I aint got no acent..
[11:29:46] <PetefromTn> Someone please buy my house and I will move back to Florida NOW!!
[11:29:58] <ssi> when I get the cherokee back airworthy I gotta fly up thataways
[11:30:00] <ssi> it's just over an hour
[11:30:05] <PetefromTn> I'll even throw in a partially retrofitted Cincinatti VMC
[11:30:28] <Connor> PetefromTn: Why did you move to TN ?
[11:30:29] <ssi> PetefromTn: how much is the house? :P
[11:30:33] <jdh> florida rednecks have .tn.us beat any day.
[11:30:37] <ssi> (I really want a VMC)
[11:30:54] <PetefromTn> Hell Id make ya a great smokin' deal LOL....
[11:31:07] <PetefromTn> jdh are ya a florida boy?
[11:31:51] <jdh> Pete: nope, but I drive down 5 or 6 times a year
[11:31:55] <jdh> ssi: http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticitem.php?photo=16194079&gallery=21046
[11:32:11] <PetefromTn> wish I could...
[11:32:22] <ssi> heh that'll work
[11:32:34] <PetefromTn> Who is Gene Haskett? he posts on the list all the time, is he on here..
[11:32:59] <cradek> sometimes yes
[11:33:41] <PetefromTn> ssi Thats a big bastard LOL...
[11:33:47] <ssi> yeah it's big
[11:33:55] <ssi> that's my only concern with getting something like that
[11:33:59] <PetefromTn> prolly weighs around 10k or more..
[11:34:01] <ssi> I'd probably need to put it at the airport
[11:34:02] <ssi> it's 12,5
[11:34:08] <ssi> 12,7
[11:34:12] <ssi> I'd need to pay a rigger at both ends too
[11:34:18] <PetefromTn> yup.
[11:34:39] <PetefromTn> sure would be nice to have 40x20 tho..
[11:35:08] <PetefromTn> that is why I was looking for that VMC15XT fadal.. It is a machine about the size of mine that has 16x30 travel.
[11:35:49] <ssi> hey pete how do you want that protram model?
[11:36:08] <jdh> built
[11:36:09] <ssi> what format, and gimme an email address
[11:36:12] <PetefromTn> It does have a sweet vertical swingarm toolchanger and chip augers tho..
[11:36:36] <PetefromTn> Honestly I dunno, you drew it 3d huh..
[11:36:40] <ssi> yea
[11:36:49] <ssi> it's a solidworks part at the moment
[11:36:50] <PetefromTn> I am 3dilliterate...
[11:37:09] <Tom_itx> what part is this?
[11:37:17] <ssi> k well tonight I can create 2d drawings
[11:37:21] <ssi> I gotta run to work
[11:37:23] <PetefromTn> I suppose whatever you got and I will deal with it on my end..
[11:37:40] <PetefromTn> My addy is PetefromTn@Gmail.com
[11:37:56] <ssi> ok
[11:38:01] <PetefromTn> Thanks dude..
[11:38:53] <ssi> sent... back in a bit
[11:39:13] <PetefromTn> either everyone on the chat list is online now or this IRC does not highlight those that are online somehow.
[11:39:21] <PetefromTn> Take it easy man.
[11:41:05] <PetefromTn> whats a kick?
[11:41:29] <Tom_itx> when an op kicks you off the channel
[11:41:44] <PetefromTn> oh okay...don't want that LOL
[11:42:50] <PetefromTn> How many of you work strictly from 3d files and machine in 3d cam software?
[11:48:58] <t12> what do you mean strictly
[11:49:18] <t12> like use computer generated gcode only?
[11:55:53] <PetefromTn> hello?
[11:56:48] <Connor> PetefromTn: You get kicked again ?
[11:56:53] * JT-Shop goes back out to mow more grass
[11:56:56] <PetefromTn> yup.. Is this normal
[11:57:01] <Connor> No.
[11:57:12] <PetefromTn> maybe it is Charter..
[11:57:16] <Connor> Could be..
[11:57:33] <Connor> normally IRC is pretty good about not having issues.. since it's so low bandwidth..
[11:57:34] <PetefromTn> altho every time I get kicked off I still have internet because I have checked a time or two.
[11:58:16] <Connor> Your still on the same server as before.. strange.
[11:58:39] <PetefromTn> huh?
[11:59:45] <PetefromTn> am I still here LOL
[12:02:44] <PetefromTn> ..
[12:03:58] <Connor> PetefromTn: Now your on a different server..
[12:04:08] <Connor> If it happens again.. I'm going to blame Charter, or your router.
[12:04:10] <PetefromTn> really..
[12:04:21] <Connor> do a /whois PetefromTn
[12:04:25] <PetefromTn> I blame myself...
[12:04:43] <gammax-Laptop1> Hola all
[12:04:48] <PetefromTn> type that in..
[12:04:56] <Connor> yea.
[12:05:05] <Connor> it'll give you info about yourself.. I.E. which server you ended up on.
[12:05:25] <PetefromTn> calvino freenode at milan IT
[12:05:33] <Connor> yup.
[12:05:46] <Connor> in Italy now.
[12:05:52] <PetefromTn> Hey that works I'm italian LOL
[12:06:00] <Connor> Kinda fitting since your Italian..
[12:06:18] <PetefromTn> hehe..
[12:06:48] <PetefromTn> I need to get off my butt and change the brake pads in my wife's trooper before she gets home but I don't wanna.
[12:07:27] <Tom_itx> that's about a 30 min job if you get after it
[12:07:29] <PetefromTn> I also wanted to try to machine a fly cutter like i did on my RF45 for the Cincinatti to lock onto the shell mill holders I have.
[12:07:49] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx Yeah I know I have done a bunch of times but still no fun.
[12:08:07] <PetefromTn> Besides it will take me that long just to get it jacked up.
[12:08:07] <Tom_itx> i changed rear hubs out last weekend
[12:08:15] <PetefromTn> on what?
[12:08:22] <Tom_itx> chevy
[12:08:30] <PetefromTn> oh a chebby huh.
[12:08:33] <Tom_itx> about an hr ea
[12:08:43] <PetefromTn> straight axle?
[12:08:57] <Tom_itx> independent
[12:09:04] <PetefromTn> RWD?
[12:09:14] <Tom_itx> no
[12:09:23] <PetefromTn> well ya see that is easy...
[12:09:39] <Tom_itx> so is changin break pads
[12:09:49] <generic_nick|2> i need to change the rear hub seals on the chevy axle in my jeep
[12:09:52] <PetefromTn> Come on over and see if you can figure out what the hell is wrong with my Fiero GT motor LOL
[12:10:12] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: easy... it's a fiero. problem solved
[12:10:14] <PetefromTn> what axle
[12:10:14] <Tom_itx> it's a fiero
[12:10:20] <PetefromTn> smartasses..
[12:10:30] <generic_nick|2> corperate 14 bolt
[12:10:33] <PetefromTn> Hey man I LOVE my fiero. It makes me look sexy.
[12:10:50] <PetefromTn> that's what I keep telling myself anyways...
[12:10:54] <generic_nick|2> you dont even have to feather your mullet when you drive one
[12:10:58] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[12:11:14] <PetefromTn> cut yer mullet dude!
[12:11:31] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, you may need the mdi commands from the ini
[12:11:40] <Tom_itx> they're easy to do
[12:11:50] <PetefromTn> generic_nick|2... got c-clips?
[12:11:50] <IchGuckLive> do you use the G92 for it then its clear
[12:11:53] <generic_nick|2> i was thinking of making some nice billet aluminum hubs for my 14 bolt to save 40 or 50lbs
[12:12:03] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: full float
[12:12:13] <PetefromTn> well then whatreya whinin' about?
[12:12:40] <PetefromTn> er NO on the aluminum hubs...
[12:12:43] <generic_nick|2> the price of the seals lol
[12:12:52] <generic_nick|2> aluminum hubs are fine.
[12:12:58] <PetefromTn> unless you live far away from me and never plan to come nearby.
[12:13:08] <PetefromTn> can't see it from my house.
[12:13:25] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, the zero button?
[12:13:27] <generic_nick|2> you do realize the class 1 and class 10 cars i work on have aluminum hubs
[12:13:29] <Tom_itx> calls a sub
[12:13:37] <generic_nick|2> they take an assload of abuse
[12:13:39] <PetefromTn> what kinda vehicle.
[12:13:54] <generic_nick|2> class 1 and class 10
[12:13:57] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: yes the G92 X0 Y0 Z0
[12:14:24] <PetefromTn> make one on a 3d printer...
[12:14:34] <generic_nick|2> race buggys that go through the desert at 130mph hitting 4 foot woops
[12:15:16] <PetefromTn> just bustin' yer balls man... whatever floats your boat do it and post pics right.
[12:15:22] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, i use g90
[12:15:41] <Tom_itx> and i put z on a line by itself so you don't hit fixtures
[12:15:43] <IchGuckLive> for the axis Zero Mdi
[12:16:06] <Tom_itx> G90 G0 Z0
[12:16:07] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Aluminum-Full-Float-Axle-Hubs_p_1695.html
[12:16:11] <Tom_itx> G0 X0 Y0
[12:16:26] <IchGuckLive> oh it is the move to zero
[12:16:32] <Tom_itx> yeah
[12:16:39] <Tom_itx> for the G54 fixture offset
[12:16:45] <PetefromTn> Ooh pretty...
[12:16:45] <IchGuckLive> i thout on Zeroing the place to G54
[12:16:47] <Tom_itx> or active fixture offset
[12:16:56] <PetefromTn> 7075?
[12:17:12] <generic_nick|2> 6061
[12:17:27] <Tom_itx> the other 3 zero the G54
[12:17:33] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: i set the Fixure ofset as the Pc is miles away from the mashine by pressing a button on the Pendand
[12:17:54] <PetefromTn> I am surprised that they make them from something so soft...
[12:18:09] <Tom_itx> i need more buttons on mine :)
[12:18:21] <IchGuckLive> i got all 12 Buttons filed
[12:18:29] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx Never enough buttons...
[12:19:16] <PetefromTn> love full floaters...
[12:19:29] <Tom_itx> the others do a G10 L20 P1 X0
[12:19:44] <andypugh> Soft is relative
[12:19:52] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: i se
[12:20:14] <PetefromTn> andypugh Yeah man for instance, I am pretty soft.
[12:20:26] <PetefromTn> and getting softer.
[12:20:32] <andypugh> As long as the tyres don't have enough grip to pull the studs out, there is no risk.
[12:20:48] <PetefromTn> just need better tires..
[12:21:41] <andypugh> I doubt that anyone would ever consider making bike hubs out of anything but aluminium.
[12:21:54] <PetefromTn> Well I gotta get going and do something productive....
[12:21:59] <PetefromTn> yeah...
[12:22:10] <PetefromTn> c ya fellas later.
[12:29:34] <ssi> productive?!
[12:29:35] <ssi> boring
[12:41:18] <gammax-Laptop1> ssi, u get a 704 or a copy of it?
[12:41:28] <ssi> genuine name brand grizzly :P
[12:41:43] <gammax-Laptop1> lol
[12:41:53] <gammax-Laptop1> how much she cost u?
[12:41:58] <ssi> about $1100
[12:42:04] <gammax-Laptop1> not bad
[12:42:10] <gammax-Laptop1> you doing conversion on it?
[12:42:12] <ssi> they're more now
[12:42:12] <ssi> yea
[12:42:50] <archivist> rob_h, had already started travelling when you said that, got there early 3:15 and just got back home
[12:43:33] <ReadError_> ssi, did you have it shipped?
[12:43:34] <gammax-Laptop1> im thinkin about making conversion kits for the 704
[12:45:43] <gammax-Laptop1> I just need to get one for measurements and stuff
[12:46:59] <ReadError_> shouldnt you like...own one?
[12:47:15] <gammax-Laptop1> my counterpart has one.
[12:47:22] <gammax-Laptop1> so i font realy needone
[12:50:41] <Connor> I tell you what would be good gammax-Laptop1 I Belt Conversion kit.. no one is doing those.. just the CNC conversion..
[12:51:12] <gammax-Laptop1> were already making the belt conversions for the rf45 type machine.
[12:51:17] <gammax-Laptop1> would be easy
[12:52:24] <gammax-Laptop1> all I would need would be an extra head laying around...
[12:52:55] <andypugh> When I re-motored my mini-mill I kept the gearbox. (though I converted to steel gears and oil bath). I rather wish I hadn't, it is so noisy.
[12:53:38] <generic_nick|2> ok im trying to edit a confg file in terminal for my touch screen. i assume to save it i need to do ^O write out, correct? how the hell do i "^O"?
[12:53:59] <Loetmichel> andypugh: so make every other gear from POM
[12:54:07] <gammax-Laptop1> if anyone has a extra head to a 704 ill gladly give you a belt drive kit? :)
[12:54:08] <Loetmichel> -> silent ;-)
[12:54:50] <cradek> ^ means control
[12:54:59] <skunkworks> boring? http://electronicsam.com/images/boring.jpg
[12:55:03] <generic_nick|2> gotcha, thanks cradek
[12:56:09] <generic_nick|2> dang it, didnt work. touch screen is still backwards
[12:57:12] <generic_nick|2> hmm i think i got it
[13:00:18] <generic_nick|2> maybe not
[13:03:00] <JT-Shop> every time I look into doing stuff like that the cost of the components are more than chinlee kits
[13:07:59] <Connor> JT-Shop: doing what stuff ?
[13:08:12] <JT-Shop> making kits to CNC things
[13:08:41] <Connor> Ahh.
[13:09:13] <generic_nick|2> opps, now i did it.... no more keyboard and mouse. not sure how to change it now lol
[13:10:40] <generic_nick|2> did i just screw myself?
[13:11:52] <Connor> Nahh.. You'll have to boot up in Command Line mode.. and modify the X windows config files.
[13:12:44] <generic_nick|2> would it just be better to wipe it out and install the latest version? i'm still on 2.5pre
[13:13:00] <generic_nick|2> i'm all backed up so i wouldnt loose anything important
[13:13:12] <Connor> That's up to you. :)
[13:13:44] <generic_nick|2> anything cool added since 2.5pre?
[13:14:01] <Connor> I dunno.. I'm running 2.6.x
[13:14:15] <ReadError_> im running 2.5 i think still
[13:14:20] <ReadError_> works fine, no reason to update
[13:14:39] <generic_nick|2> how about ubuntu?
[13:15:50] <skunkworks> you still have to use 10.04
[13:16:42] <generic_nick|2> yea just seeing that now
[13:17:00] <skunkworks> (unless you want to test some new kernels.. :)
[13:17:24] <JT-Shop> dangit that G10L20 bug almost cost me a tool holder... glad I could stop it just as the insert shattered trying to take a 0.125 deep cut
[13:25:52] <Patang> Anybody know a good place to buy FR1 PCB? Couldnt seem to find any on Ebay. I live in Norway btw
[13:26:13] <ReadError_> FR1 ?
[13:26:19] <ReadError_> i thought it was typically FR4
[13:29:37] <Patang> Dangerous to mill FR4. The dust is poisonous
[13:29:53] <ReadError_> we have a saying
[13:29:57] <ReadError_> if you scared go to church
[13:30:36] <frallzor> dont inhale the dust then =P
[13:30:49] <frallzor> or just cool constantly to create a slurry
[13:31:24] <frallzor> if you inhale that on purpose you have bigger problems than the dust =P
[13:31:29] <Patang> so, I guess no one knows then
[13:32:59] <generic_nick|2> i just swapped the hdd out for another one i had with emc loaded on it already.
[13:33:23] <generic_nick|2> guess im lazy lol
[13:46:01] <Sharpen047> Hey everyone, ive been looking into adding a 4th and 5th axis to my cnc and need some help getting my system configured to run more than 4 axes. I saw the kinematics page but dont know what else to do.
[13:52:19] <skunkworks> heh http://www.cnczone.com/forums/opensource_software/180660-linux_computer-numeric-control_5_axis_computer-numeric-control.html
[13:53:39] <skunkworks> Sharpen047, you can't use stepconf to setup that type of machine (way beyond what stepconf was designed to do)
[13:53:56] <skunkworks> you might want to look at the 5 axis config
[13:54:07] <skunkworks> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=configs/5axis;h=29f60dd3a50b6c4736c759d154687cdf249e0a1f;hb=HEAD
[13:54:33] <skunkworks> it is a simulated machine but gives you an Idea on how to use the 5 axis kins..
[14:05:39] <ssi> ReadError_: yea I had it shipped
[14:44:46] <andypugh> Loetmichel: The machine came with plastic gears. The teeth fell off..
[14:46:01] <skunkworks> I resemble that remark...
[14:49:02] <Loetmichel> andypugh: plastic != POM
[14:49:20] <andypugh> True, and I don't know what the Chinese used.
[14:49:22] <Loetmichel> i dount that pom gears will loose any teeh
[14:49:35] <andypugh> Rawhide would work too.
[14:49:45] <Loetmichel> smear off maybe, but not break as the ones in original
[14:49:52] <andypugh> I know a car with a rawhide gear on the end of the crank.
[14:50:06] <Loetmichel> rawhide?
[14:50:18] <Loetmichel> jeans + resin?
[14:50:23] <Tom_itx> bull
[14:50:57] <andypugh> Blimey! http://www.leathergears.com/about_us.html
[14:52:27] <Tom_itx> where are they used?
[14:52:46] <andypugh> "Applications include punch presses, forging hammers, turning drums for tanneries, cable winches in mining operations, merry-go-rounds and hundreds of other applications requiring the unique properties that only rawhide gears can deliver."
[14:53:17] <andypugh> They run very quietly
[14:54:10] <skunkworks> archivist, does anything ever come of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNf8qqplENU
[14:54:12] <Tecan> (SNf8qqplENU) "YouTube CNC cutting of a 29 tooth Helical gear using EMC2" by "mai mai" is "People" - Length: 0:02:28
[14:55:00] <Loetmichel> seriously? gears made of leather?!?
[14:55:11] <Tom_itx> water buffalo
[14:55:52] <Loetmichel> 100%?
[14:56:12] <Tom_itx> The gears are riveted under hydraulic pressure with thick durable brass flanges on both sides
[14:56:12] <Loetmichel> or like the linnen in phenolics?
[14:56:40] <Loetmichel> and for which use are these?
[14:56:59] <Tom_itx> andy just told you
[14:57:48] <andypugh> I think the brass flanges are non-loadbearing.
[14:58:07] <archivist> skunkworks, I complain/send feedback each time I see a rippoff
[14:58:25] <andypugh> And yes, they are made from a stack of leather, riveted together. No resin or binder.
[14:58:27] <skunkworks> there are a quite a few
[14:59:11] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_type=videos&search_query=emc2+29+tooth
[14:59:19] <Tom_itx> i'm guessing they would usually be fairly large gears
[14:59:20] <archivist> I see only 5 views so probably a spam attempts, google never tells me what it has done about it
[14:59:48] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[14:59:51] <Loetmichel> ok...
[15:01:09] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/140198
[15:01:44] <Aero-Tec> hello
[15:02:08] <Aero-Tec> need help with hal file edit
[15:09:11] <ssi> skunkworks: what on earth are they gaining from that?
[15:09:23] <skunkworks> no clue
[15:11:42] <ssi> ok I gotta select a power transformer for my servo drives
[15:15:04] <Connor> Gaining from what ?
[15:15:35] <skunkworks> Connor, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_type=videos&search_query=emc2+29+tooth
[15:15:44] <skunkworks> that is archivist video
[15:16:57] <Connor> Oh. They're spamming his video with crap in the comments? WTF ?
[15:17:17] <Loetmichel> hmm, i dont want to lessen archivists achivement.. but is it possible that the flycutter was less than "SHARP"?
[15:17:35] <Loetmichel> seeing the buch of swarf stuck at the end of the teeth
[15:17:56] <Connor> Probably due to the type of plastic..
[15:18:25] <Loetmichel> Connor: that would be POM or PE from the looks of it
[15:18:56] <Loetmichel> BOTH CAN be cut without fringes
[15:19:06] <Loetmichel> with a razor sharp tool
[15:19:11] <Loetmichel> been there, done that
[15:19:58] <Loetmichel> and like i said: i dont want to lessen the video, great programming for the helical gear
[15:20:12] <Loetmichel> (nd grinding of the flycutter)
[15:21:11] <Aero-Tec> is there some way to find out more info on Hal programming?
[15:21:29] <Aero-Tec> I need to edit a file and have no cle as to how hel work
[15:21:34] <Aero-Tec> clue
[15:22:09] <Aero-Tec> some of it I understand
[15:22:36] <Aero-Tec> but the routing of signals and such are beyond me
[15:23:03] <Aero-Tec> I can get pins connected, sort of
[15:24:27] <Aero-Tec> is there a good source of info to understand how and why hal works?
[15:25:32] <andypugh> It's simpler than it looks.
[15:25:42] <Aero-Tec> I hope so
[15:26:03] <Aero-Tec> if I could understand the working it should be simple to do
[15:26:20] <andypugh> The first thing after a "net" command is the signal name. The same signal name can appear on many HAL file lines.
[15:26:49] <andypugh> You can choose the signal names freely. But they can't be the same as an existing pin name.
[15:27:10] <andypugh> Also on any net line can be one or more pin names. These pins get connected to the signal.
[15:27:37] <andypugh> Only one of the pins can be an output. That one sets the value of the signal. All the other pins in the net recieve that value.
[15:28:12] <andypugh> Pins are created when you loadrt a HAL function.
[15:28:31] <andypugh> Pins are updated when you addf the HAL function to a thread.
[15:29:04] <andypugh> (they update at the rate of the thread they are added to, and in the sequence that they were added to the thread in)
[15:29:28] <andypugh> And that's it.
[15:29:56] <Connor> andypugh: Don't forget.. some pins can only take IN stuff.. others only output.. and yet others are both ways.. right /
[15:29:57] <Connor> ?
[15:30:12] <andypugh> I already mentioned that.
[15:30:36] <Connor> sorry.. skipped over it I guess.
[15:30:59] <Aero-Tec> so what does this line say?
[15:31:01] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-cmd <= motion.spindle-speed-out => pwmgen.0.value
[15:32:03] <Connor> takes the speed from motion.spindle-speed.out and sends that value to the pwmgen
[15:32:32] <andypugh> It creates a signal called "spindle-cmd" (if it does not already exist) and connects motion.spindle-speed-out to it (which is an output). It then connects pwmgen.0.value to the same net (which is an input) and so the pwmgen value is set to whatever value comes out of motion.spindle-speed-out
[15:32:38] <Connor> scaled according to wht pwmgen says.
[15:38:08] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the help
[15:38:14] <Aero-Tec> loadrt pwmgen output_type=0
[15:38:57] <Connor> that loads the real time module pwmgen
[15:39:34] <Connor> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/pwmgen.9.html
[15:42:08] <Aero-Tec> is there a simple over view of some sort that explains the basic working of hal?
[15:42:27] <Aero-Tec> something to give one a foundation to work from?
[15:42:41] <Connor> andypugh just told you.. that's pretty much it.. everything else is realtime modules.
[15:44:00] <Connor> now, what would be cool is.. if someone could come up with a GUI that let you drop those RT modules onto a work space.. and set the parameters and link the networks up visually..
[15:44:20] <andypugh> There have been several attmmpts.
[15:44:44] <Aero-Tec> is there a vid to watch?
[15:45:07] <Aero-Tec> also scaling
[15:45:30] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Have a look here, scroll down to "Realtime components and kernel modules" and look at the man pages. Start with motion, halui and iocontrol.
[15:45:33] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[15:46:49] <andypugh> Connor: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Eagle2HAL
[15:49:31] <GammaX-Shop> Ok got my mill up and running good
[15:49:37] <Connor> andypugh: Interesting...
[15:49:54] <GammaX-Shop> er32 collet system is 2.5 thousands off though... well... the bit is atleast
[15:50:01] <andypugh> There was also something called crapahalic, don't know how far that got.
[15:50:30] <GammaX-Shop> the actual collet is .5
[15:50:50] <GammaX-Shop> could just be shape of the end mill or the collet clamp....
[15:51:15] <andypugh> Connor: And GEDA: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HalSchematicsUsingGschem
[15:53:38] <andypugh> Connor: https://sites.google.com/site/manisbutareed/visualizing-emc2-configurations
[15:55:54] <Connor> Interesting...
[16:00:39] <Aero-Tec> how long does it take to learn hal?
[16:01:59] <Aero-Tec> looks to be a big and involved thing
[16:02:38] <Aero-Tec> lots of things with lots of options and connections
[16:06:15] <Connor> Aero-Tec: Typically.. you choose a specific task.. and figure out how to make hal do that.. then go from there..
[16:08:17] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: about 5 minutes per command
[16:08:38] <JT-Shop> lets see net, setp, unlinkp
[16:08:53] <JT-Shop> and loadrt, loadusr
[16:08:56] <frallzor> or JT-Shop teaches you!
[16:09:01] <JT-Shop> LOL
[16:09:03] <Aero-Tec> all I want to do is add a single phase encoder to the index one I have all ready
[16:09:13] <frallzor> I prefer the JT-way
[16:09:21] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop lol
[16:09:25] <andypugh> So, first look at the encoder manpage
[16:09:37] <Aero-Tec> looks like lots of commands
[16:09:38] <JT-Shop> I like the andypugh way
[16:09:54] <Connor> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/examples_spindle.html
[16:09:57] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html
[16:10:21] <andypugh> There you can see that the encoder function takes a num_chan parameter.
[16:10:38] <Connor> Aero-Tec: You trying to setup for threading ? or tapping ?
[16:10:47] <andypugh> So, in your HAL, change loadrt encoder num_chan=1 to num_chan=2
[16:11:05] <andypugh> Then, as you appear to want counter-mode
[16:11:17] <Aero-Tec> Connor: threading
[16:11:22] <andypugh> setp encoder.1.counter-mode 1
[16:11:34] <Connor> you only need index with threading.
[16:11:56] <andypugh> Ah, wait, this is your index + 20 slots?
[16:12:15] <Aero-Tec> that was what I was making, yes
[16:12:32] <Connor> When I set my mill up.. I just used a index pulse.. and forgot about A or B..
[16:12:34] <Aero-Tec> I had a index only and was told I needed more
[16:12:41] <Connor> Not for threading..
[16:12:56] <andypugh> In that case you only need the one encoder counter you already have, but you need to net the index pin to encoder.0.phase-Z and the slots to encoder.0.phase-A
[16:13:07] <Connor> Yup.
[16:13:07] <andypugh> And setp encoder.0.counter-mode 1
[16:13:10] <Connor> That's what I did.
[16:13:26] <andypugh> It's better with more.
[16:14:15] <andypugh> In either case, maje sure you are using position-intepolated.
[16:15:00] <Aero-Tec> so now that I have the lather all tore apart and the design done for the encoder and the new opto ready, should I finish the job and redo hal or just go back to where I was before, put everything togather like it was?
[16:15:07] <Aero-Tec> lath
[16:15:12] <Aero-Tec> lathe
[16:15:44] <Aero-Tec> I just need to single point thread right now
[16:16:16] <Aero-Tec> later I will add a good encoder and update for ridged threading in the lathe
[16:17:15] <andypugh> Finish the job, you ought to get better threads.
[16:17:37] <andypugh> (with one more opto your new encoder can do quadrature)
[16:17:53] <Aero-Tec> do I need to scale the encoder/ counter?
[16:18:15] <andypugh> Yes, you need to setp encoder.0.scale
[16:18:38] <andypugh> Have you actually read the manpage I gave you the link to?
[16:18:56] <Aero-Tec> so in I have 20 ppr then scale would be 1/20?
[16:19:05] <andypugh> No, 20.
[16:19:39] <andypugh> (If you add the third opto, and turn counter-mode off, then it will be 80)
[16:20:07] <Aero-Tec> yes, but feeling like info over load
[16:20:23] <andypugh> You only need to pay any attention to the parts you expect to use.
[16:20:53] <Aero-Tec> the thing is I have no idea that that is right now
[16:21:28] <Aero-Tec> I do not have enough info yet to know what I need to use and how to use it
[16:22:33] <Aero-Tec> I was going to use a unused gear on the lathe and set up the magnet sensor type encoder
[16:22:57] <Aero-Tec> I do not have them here yet and need to get thins threading done ASAP
[16:23:18] <Aero-Tec> so I am adding the opto and updating the encoder
[16:26:07] <Aero-Tec> looks like the sample page will be of a great help
[16:26:20] <Aero-Tec> give a road map to that I need
[16:26:44] <Aero-Tec> in fact one example is ecactly what I need
[16:27:31] <DJ9DJ> good nite
[16:27:32] <Aero-Tec> now to figure out how to undo the old and redo the new
[16:29:13] <Aero-Tec> does the position of the commands matter?
[16:29:30] <Aero-Tec> I would guess the order does for some things
[16:30:02] <Aero-Tec> but do some things need to be grouped together for any reason other then looks?
[16:30:36] <Aero-Tec> is there any timing loops or other things one needs to look for?
[16:31:35] <Aero-Tec> BTW thanks for the help on this, I would be here a very long time trying to work this out on my own
[16:32:10] <andypugh> The commands can be pretty much in any order, thought the pins won't exist until the loadrt. And also bear in mind that the functions execute in the oder they are addf-ed
[16:34:49] <Aero-Tec> in the example the pins are added at the very end, that makes no sense, how can one work with the pins if they are not created yet?
[16:35:04] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-phase-a <= parport.0.pin-10-in
[16:35:04] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-index <= parport.0.pin-11-in
[16:35:12] <Aero-Tec> the last 2 lines
[16:35:36] <Aero-Tec> I am very confused
[16:35:44] <andypugh> The _pins_ are created by _loadrt_
[16:36:23] <andypugh> The _signals_ are created by the net command.
[16:36:50] <Aero-Tec> there is only one loadrt line
[16:36:52] <Aero-Tec> loadrt encoder num_chan=1
[16:36:57] <Aero-Tec> the first line
[16:37:05] <andypugh> So, the pins in those statements are created by loadrt hal_parport.
[16:37:07] <Aero-Tec> but 2 encoders
[16:37:21] <andypugh> Do you _have_ two encoders?
[16:37:35] <Aero-Tec> 2 optos
[16:37:42] <andypugh> You only need one encoder.
[16:37:51] <andypugh> Each encoder has three channels
[16:37:55] <Aero-Tec> guess it could be one encoder with index
[16:38:02] <Aero-Tec> ok
[16:38:12] <Aero-Tec> now I am getting it
[16:38:19] <andypugh> Yes, you want to set up one eoncoder with A and Z, set to counter mode
[16:38:28] <Aero-Tec> thought index was seprate
[16:38:50] <Aero-Tec> cool
[16:38:57] <Aero-Tec> love to learn new stuff
[16:39:14] <andypugh> I think the point you may be missing is that there can be (and often are) multiple HAL files, and any components and signals in the first HAL file can be used in the second, and so on. The pins and signals exist in HAL, not in the file.
[16:40:07] <andypugh> The HAL file is read through once, and only once, when the config is loaded. It sets up the nets and threads in HAL, and is never looked at again.
[16:40:57] <Aero-Tec> cool
[16:41:33] <Aero-Tec> so <=> is by directional signal?
[16:42:01] <Aero-Tec> => is out and <= is in?
[16:42:22] <andypugh> The => <= and <=> do absolutely nothing at all. They are just a clue to human readers.
[16:42:37] <Aero-Tec> lol
[16:42:41] <andypugh> I tend to leave them out.
[16:43:20] <andypugh> When they are put in, they try to show the direction of data flow, from output pin into signal or input pin.
[16:44:10] <Aero-Tec> wow, lots to learn
[16:46:06] <Nick001-Shop> <andypugh>where does the control=1 to switch stepgen to velocity control go ?
[16:47:39] <andypugh> loadrt stepgen step_type=0,0,0 control_type=p,p,v http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
[16:49:04] <Aero-Tec> thought when you only used one phase you had to do some sort of counter command to switch it to a simple counter
[16:49:30] <andypugh> Yes, setp encoder.0.counter-mode 1
[16:49:43] <Aero-Tec> the only thing with counter in it is
[16:49:47] <Aero-Tec> addf encoder.update-counters base-thread
[16:49:58] <Aero-Tec> in the sample
[16:50:31] <Aero-Tec> sample had only one pset, and that was scale
[16:50:48] <Aero-Tec> Hardware assumptions:
[16:50:48] <Aero-Tec> An encoder is connected to the spindle and puts out 100 pulses per revolution on phase A
[16:50:49] <Aero-Tec> The encoder A phase is connected to the parallel port pin 10
[16:50:49] <Aero-Tec> The encoder index pulse is connected to the parallel port pin 11
[16:50:49] <Aero-Tec> Basic Steps to add the components and configure them:
[16:50:49] <Aero-Tec> loadrt encoder num_chan=1
[16:50:49] <Aero-Tec> addf encoder.update-counters base-thread
[16:50:50] <Aero-Tec> addf encoder.capture-position servo-thread
[16:50:50] <Aero-Tec> setp encoder.0.position-scale 100
[16:50:51] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-position encoder.0.position => motion.spindle-revs
[16:50:51] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-velocity encoder.0.velocity => motion.spindle-speed-in
[16:50:52] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-index-enable encoder.0.index-enable <=> motion.spindle-index-enable
[16:50:52] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-phase-a encoder.0.phase-A
[16:50:53] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-phase-b encoder.0.phase-B
[16:51:01] <andypugh> That's got two phases.
[16:51:39] <Aero-Tec> the hardware assumption is only one phase connected
[16:52:13] <Aero-Tec> Hardware assumptions:
[16:52:13] <Aero-Tec> An encoder is connected to the spindle and puts out 100 pulses per revolution on phase A
[16:52:13] <Aero-Tec> The encoder A phase is connected to the parallel port pin 10
[16:52:13] <Aero-Tec> The encoder index pulse is connected to the parallel port pin 11
[16:52:16] <Aero-Tec> An encoder is connected to the spindle and puts out 100 pulses per revolution on phase A
[16:52:42] <Aero-Tec> oops
[16:53:13] <r00t4rd3d> wow n1
[16:53:13] <Aero-Tec> is this example wrong?
[16:53:15] <andypugh> Well, yes, but the HAL clearly mentions a phase-b
[16:53:57] <Aero-Tec> true, but B is not connected
[16:54:17] <Aero-Tec> only A and Z
[16:54:19] <andypugh> Old docs http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/examples/spindle.html
[16:54:25] <GammaX-Shop> nyone usin modbus?
[16:54:36] <andypugh> That one ^ has the setp counter-mode
[16:56:30] <Nick001-Shop> stepgen step_type=0,0,0 - would this change with A/B/I glass scale?
[16:57:33] <andypugh> I don't see how you can use a stepgen with a glass scale..
[16:57:52] <cradek> some people think they want stepgen in velocity mode in that case
[16:58:37] <Aero-Tec> so how does one know when your looking at old/ wrong info?
[16:58:46] <cradek> with careful tuning and full understanding of the limitations it might even work
[16:59:00] <Nick001-Shop> I thought that's what I needed to have steppers with glass scales or encoders
[16:59:03] <Aero-Tec> I would have been going crazy trying to get that to work right
[16:59:47] <Nick001-Shop> I have a 7i52S thats supposed to do that
[17:01:31] <Aero-Tec> so to change this hal to a full encoder with all 3 phases working all I would do is rem out
[17:01:33] <Aero-Tec> setp encoder.3.counter-mode true
[17:01:51] <Aero-Tec> and add the pin info for phase B
[17:01:57] <Aero-Tec> right?
[17:04:05] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: If you look in the URL and it says /2.4/ then it is old docs.
[17:04:20] <andypugh> And yes, that is exactly all you need.
[17:04:50] <andypugh> Oh, and you need to make the scale 80, as a full-quadrature encoder has 4 transitions per slot.
[17:05:48] <andypugh> (and, for the cost of one more opto mounted N-and-a-quarter slots away from the first, you can have quadrature with your new encoder)
[17:07:55] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: This was my setup to get quadrature from a gear in the head of my milling machine, with index from a key-slot: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5771820725064038930
[17:09:13] <andypugh> And this is what happens when you have a mental abberation and place one sensor N-and-a-half teeth away: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/20120730#5771089940270301554 That doesn't work at all.
[17:16:24] <generic_nick|2> sweet got my stuff from mouser for my spindle encoder
[17:16:25] <GammaX-Shop> For some reason I am not able to install a file using the comp command
[17:16:35] <GammaX-Shop> generic,which way did u go?
[17:17:19] <GammaX-Shop> the program comp can be found in the folowing packages... but I installed one of them and still nutin..
[17:19:02] <Aero-Tec> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5771820725064038930?banner=pwa
[17:19:06] <Aero-Tec> right?
[17:20:49] <Aero-Tec> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5771820725064038930?banner=pwa
[17:20:57] <Aero-Tec> ?
[17:21:01] <Aero-Tec> andypugh: the first link went to this
[17:21:06] <Aero-Tec> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5771820725064038930?banner=pwa
[17:23:01] <andypugh> I don't know what is going on there. I haven't been able to get to the old picasaweb interface for months, and suddently that is where I ended up.
[17:23:31] <andypugh> The link I wanted was https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wE4cF0uBYu-pY5vFeuI00tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:24:55] <Aero-Tec> very simler to what I want to do
[17:25:03] <Aero-Tec> same sensor
[17:26:51] <ssi> not sure how much shenanigan I want to get up to tonigh
[17:28:25] <GammaX-Shop> its wednesday sii... im sure its not going to be much! lol
[17:28:53] <GammaX-Shop> andypugh: I am not able to use the comp command, has that been taken out?
[17:31:02] <GammaX-Shop> ahhh im getting error but its a wierd one
[17:31:09] <ssi> it's not that
[17:31:15] <ssi> I am leaving for california in the morning
[17:31:23] <ssi> I want to work on the machine, but I ought to pack and rest
[17:31:24] <ssi> heh
[17:31:47] <GammaX-Shop> cali, nice. im heading to florida in the pm
[17:32:08] <ssi> stop by my place on the way and fix my hnc
[17:32:27] <GammaX-Shop> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/comp.1.gz', which is also in package nmh 0
[17:32:49] <generic_nick|2> hmm samba wont install properly
[17:33:11] <generic_nick|2> anyone else have issues with that lately?
[17:36:39] <andypugh> GammaX-Shop: That's a fun one.
[17:37:06] <andypugh> Sounds like you are trying to comp the comp hal function :-)
[17:37:14] <GammaX-Shop> andypugh: I fixed that by removing nmh.... I installed linuxcnc-dev.
[17:37:41] <andypugh> (comp is both a component compiler, and a component. This might not be sensible)
[17:37:41] <GammaX-Shop> and now Im getting something even wierder.
[17:37:56] <GammaX-Shop> value error: need more than 1 value to unpack.
[17:38:35] <Tom_itx> would it be worthwhile to save the encoder wheels removed from abs brake hubs?
[17:39:22] <generic_nick|2> dangit, i cant install samba!
[17:39:51] <GammaX-Shop> how much resolution on the whels
[17:40:30] <Tom_itx> i didn't count but i'd guess 25-30 teeth
[17:41:42] <generic_nick|2> it says unable to open files list file libblas3gf
[17:43:16] <GammaX-Shop> tom could be good for a spindle encoder...
[17:43:48] <Tom_itx> i'd have to find some hall sensors though
[17:45:43] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: photo microsensor
[17:46:32] <Tom_itx> it won't do me any good until i can get a better spindle control
[17:46:37] <Tom_itx> fwd/rev
[17:50:39] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: get vfd for 100 bucks..
[17:50:55] <Tom_itx> for a sherline dc motor
[17:52:12] <GammaX-Shop> ohhhh
[17:52:22] <ssi> anyone have any experience with plasma torches arcing above the retaining cap?
[17:52:30] <ssi> it's melting the torch handle :/
[17:55:38] <Tom_itx> may go see if i can pull them off then
[17:58:41] <JT-Shop> ssi: try posting on the plasma forum on the zone, there are some really sharp guys that hang there
[17:59:17] <ssi> yea like jim colt :P
[17:59:26] <JT-Shop> that's him
[17:59:55] <ssi> I have a t45v hand torch that's mounted in an aluminum moun
[18:00:03] <ssi> and I think it is arcing to the mount
[18:00:07] <ssi> catches the plastic handle on fire
[18:00:09] <ssi> :(
[18:00:14] <JT-Shop> yuck
[18:00:21] <ssi> I have a replacement handle coming
[18:00:25] <ssi> as well as a shielded cap
[18:00:26] <JT-Shop> can you insulate it?
[18:00:31] <ssi> maybe
[18:00:54] <ssi> I should get some thick phenolic sheet and remake the mount out of phenolic
[18:01:50] <ssi> 2x1/4" strips are $9 for 48" lenght
[18:01:52] <ssi> that's not bad
[18:02:48] <ssi> so I just got my third off-lease dell in 3 weeks for linuxcnc machines
[18:02:56] <ssi> an optiplex 745 this time
[18:03:00] <ssi> and the latency numbers are very good
[18:03:38] <ssi> 20us base thread max jitter, 61us servo thread
[18:03:42] <ssi> and it's rock solid there...
[18:04:03] <ssi> the optiplex 320 I was disappointed with... has an occasional 250us spike
[18:04:22] <GammaX-Shop> generic_nick| what kind of spindle encoder did u get?
[18:12:38] <GammaX-Shop|2> jthornton: you around?
[18:12:40] <t12> i love optiplex 7xx's
[18:15:30] <GammaX-Shop|2> god im having major issues with the comp command
[18:17:43] <ssi> t12: yea the machines I bought the last couple days were a 755, a 320, and a 745
[18:17:47] <ssi> the 7x5s have been rock solid
[18:18:35] <Tom_itx> how do you monitor for latency spikes?
[18:18:43] <ssi> just watching the latency test
[18:18:51] <ssi> for awhile
[18:19:00] <Tom_itx> that's like watching paint dry
[18:19:06] <ssi> :)
[18:19:24] <ssi> I like a little excitement in my life
[18:20:19] <t12> adn they're cheap
[18:20:19] <andypugh> Tom_itx: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/latencybins.9.html
[18:20:23] <t12> 755's are like 50-100 bux
[18:22:53] <Tom_itx> seems to be a function for nearly everything
[18:24:01] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Well, any time we find somethign there isn't a function for, we write one.
[18:25:04] <GammaX-Shop|2> I need a function to help me install a .comp file!
[18:25:26] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: mind taking a look at this? http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/LinuxCNC/Modbus/
[18:25:28] <andypugh> Are you using sudo comp --install?
[18:25:39] <GammaX-Shop|2> yup. while already in su
[18:25:56] <GammaX-Shop|2> im trying to get sj200_mbbasic.comp to install
[18:26:59] <andypugh> And what error message do you get?
[18:27:24] <GammaX-Shop|2> traceback ( most recent call last):
[18:28:02] <GammaX-Shop|2> File "usr/bin/com". line 1335, in <module> main ()
[18:28:54] <GammaX-Shop|2> then the same for line 1304, in main process, 1178 in process, 411 in parse and finally it tells me valueError: need more than 1 value to unpack
[18:30:06] <andypugh> It compiles for me, but I get halcmd: <stdin>:1: execv(sj200mbbasic.comp): No such file or directory
[18:30:46] <Tom_itx> what are they written in? C?
[18:30:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8a_1368583050
[18:30:53] <andypugh> comp
[18:31:48] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: so what are you thinkin?
[18:32:25] <andypugh> Dunno, I don't do much with userspace components.
[18:32:41] <andypugh> Can you compile a simple realtime component?
[18:32:54] <GammaX-Shop|2> no idea
[18:32:58] <GammaX-Shop|2> have a link to some code?
[18:33:54] <andypugh> ddt here is about as simple as it gets: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html
[18:36:53] <Tom_itx> how hard would it be to add a 'pause/resume' to the timer function?
[18:37:31] <Tom_itx> so it would pause at a M1 or M0 and resume after it started running again
[18:41:47] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: is it mandatory to place that file in a certain directory?
[18:42:12] <andypugh> Probably not too hard, it would just need a link into program.is-paused (if that pin exists)
[18:42:26] <andypugh> GammaX-Shop|2: No.
[18:42:55] <Tom_itx> well if i ever venture into comp i may try it but it will likely be a while
[18:48:57] <generic_nick|2> ok i made 2 different boot disks and this thing wont boot the startup disk
[18:49:04] <generic_nick|2> just says boot error
[18:50:40] <generic_nick|2> since its a usb drive, and with all the issues i had with my usb keyboard, i am thinking the mobo is toast
[18:51:49] <andypugh> Not all motherboards can boot from USB, and some can, but only on certain ports.
[18:54:41] <generic_nick|2> i booted it from usb when i first built the machine
[18:55:58] <andypugh> kind of fun: http://producten.hema.nl (just load the page and wait, don't click anything)
[18:56:23] <generic_nick|2> its a d510mo
[18:56:46] <andypugh> Ah, well, the D510MO only claims to be boot-capable on one of the ports.
[18:57:41] <andypugh> Header 6 is "front panel USB with flash drive support"
[19:02:17] <GammaX-Shop|2> miust be an old pc!
[19:02:35] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: im not figuringit out to be honest
[19:03:05] <GammaX-Shop|2> i had a diff sj200.c file that I tired comping and got diff errors aswell....
[19:04:13] <andypugh> Does ddt.comp compile?
[19:05:27] <generic_nick|2> i just swapped the mobo for a d525
[19:05:45] <generic_nick|2> i always got realtime delay errors with that mobo anyways
[19:05:59] <generic_nick|2> screw it, ill use it for a htpc or something
[19:12:19] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: uhhh
[19:12:20] <GammaX-Shop|2> not realy
[19:13:10] <GammaX-Shop|2> wait
[19:13:11] <GammaX-Shop|2> it did
[19:13:19] <GammaX-Shop|2> I created c from the comp
[19:16:53] <andypugh> It does that if you don't use the --install option
[19:19:42] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: that worked
[19:20:07] <GammaX-Shop|2> with the --install option
[19:20:35] <andypugh> So, I wonder what is wrong with the modbus version?
[19:20:58] <andypugh> There were a couple of updates to comp for userspace components today.
[19:21:05] <GammaX-Shop|2> me 2
[19:21:08] <GammaX-Shop|2> you got it to compile?
[19:21:27] <andypugh> Yes. But I am running the latest pull of master.
[19:23:01] <GammaX-Shop|2> idk what that means
[19:23:40] <andypugh> I am running the very latest development version.
[19:23:52] <GammaX-Shop|2> ahhh
[19:23:59] <GammaX-Shop|2> i think im on most recent stable
[19:24:15] <andypugh> Give me a minute, I can switch back
[19:24:22] <GammaX-Shop|2> this code isnt new though...
[19:26:15] <GammaX-Shop|2> roger that
[19:26:40] <andypugh> Compiles and runs fine in v2.5 too
[19:28:07] <andypugh> sudo apt-get install build-essential linuxcnc-dev
[19:30:41] <GammaX-Shop|2> I think I know what was wrong....
[19:31:01] <GammaX-Shop|2> how do I know if the file was installed correctly?
[19:31:49] <GammaX-Shop|2> I saved the file on a windows pc and then brought it into linux. I opened it with gedit, saved as unix type.
[19:32:08] <andypugh> With a realtime component you see a "cp file-to-new-location" at the end of the output. But not with a userspace compoent, it seems.
[19:32:24] <andypugh> But, to test
[19:32:25] <andypugh> halrun
[19:32:37] <andypugh> loadusr sj200mbbasic
[19:32:41] <andypugh> show pin
[19:32:43] <andypugh> exit
[19:36:06] <PetefromTn> .
[19:37:24] <GammaX-Shop|2> hmmm
[19:37:49] <GammaX-Shop|2> its not working but im almost positive I got it in there....
[19:39:07] <GammaX-Shop|2> is there another file it creates?
[19:39:44] <GammaX-Shop|2> oh wait
[19:39:44] <GammaX-Shop|2> its in there!
[19:39:47] <GammaX-Shop|2> yahtzee!
[19:40:38] <GammaX-Shop|2> yeah only thing I had to do was change the "line ending" to unix/linux type in gedit.
[19:40:41] <GammaX-Shop|2> and it compiled and installed.
[19:40:43] <GammaX-Shop|2> sweet!
[19:41:44] <GammaX-Shop|2> now I just gotta figure out how to make that man file and bottom file install
[19:41:49] <GammaX-Shop|2> make file*
[19:43:24] <PetefromTn> dunno what the heck you are talking about but CONGRATS!!
[19:44:45] <Tom_itx> he just made the earth wobble a bit on it's axis is all
[19:45:40] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah I thought I felt something...
[19:48:36] <PetefromTn> "Gee,....This workin' out thing isn't workin' out...." Spongebob Squarepants.
[19:48:42] <PetefromTn> Cracks me up LOL
[19:51:01] <GammaX-Shop|2> lol
[19:51:40] <GammaX-Shop|2> the problem before was windows to *nux compatibilites being overridden
[19:52:36] <GammaX-Shop|2> when I run my make file it basicly says every lind... command not found...
[20:00:58] <GammaX-Shop|2> im gettin an error on my make file, error libdir not found
[20:01:54] <PetefromTn> Wish I could help you man I have no idea...
[20:02:16] <GammaX-Shop|2> fudge... getting deep into thecoding is NOT fun lol
[20:03:48] <PetefromTn> like chinese arithmetic...
[20:05:46] <GammaX-Shop|2> I need to change this make file to show the changes from emc2 to linuxcnc naming conventions.
[20:06:58] <GammaX-Shop|2> I got 2 tickets to paradise!!!
[20:07:26] <GammaX-Shop|2> pack your bags we'll leave tonight
[20:07:41] <ssi> I have only one ticket to paradise, and I leave in the morning
[20:07:43] <ssi> but close enough
[20:07:53] <GammaX-Shop|2> cali aint paradise
[20:08:05] <GammaX-Shop|2> well... depends on what part
[20:08:27] <GammaX-Shop|2> I actualy lied.... I only have 1 but the song is on and im rockin out.
[20:15:41] -cameron.freenode.net:#linuxcnc- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
[20:15:45] <Aero-Tec> also, what do you do to test that phase A is being used by EMC?
[20:16:02] <Aero-Tec> I know the scope can be used to make sure EMC sees it
[20:16:27] <Aero-Tec> but how do you test that every thing is set up 100% right?
[20:17:26] <PetefromTn> you can read it in Hal without power on most likely...
[20:17:32] <PetefromTn> motor power that is..
[20:18:27] <Aero-Tec> not following
[20:18:34] <GammaX-Shop|2> anyone know if theres a page that includes all the changed over directory changes from emc2 to linuxcnc?
[20:18:43] <Aero-Tec> you talking about using the meter?
[20:19:01] <PetefromTn> If you have the encoder hooked up correctly you should be able to turn the axis by hand and watch the numbers change in Hal.
[20:19:14] <PetefromTn> Hal meter I think it is...
[20:19:19] <Aero-Tec> cool
[20:19:32] <PetefromTn> Yeah it is cool... What motor is it going on?
[20:19:42] <Aero-Tec> any idea what part or thing to look at
[20:19:55] <Aero-Tec> lathe spindle
[20:19:57] <PetefromTn> Like I said what motor is it going on?
[20:20:26] <Aero-Tec> the meter has so many thing it see look at. not sure what one to look at with the meter
[20:20:41] <PetefromTn> Okay then it should be on your lathe spindle encoder input in hal. Dunno what the actual name is tho have to peck around..
[20:20:57] <Sharpen047> skunkworks: thanks for the link
[20:21:05] <Aero-Tec> ok
[20:21:07] <Aero-Tec> cool
[20:21:08] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[20:21:10] <PetefromTn> Only one will change state when you turn the spindle by hand LOL...
[20:21:34] <Aero-Tec> it would be a counter I would be looking for
[20:21:47] <PetefromTn> Just make sure you have it wired up right first before you go looking for something that is not there due to an improper hookup LOL
[20:21:58] <PetefromTn> Enc input.
[20:22:07] <PetefromTn> What hardware are you using mesa?
[20:22:16] <Aero-Tec> pport
[20:22:35] <Aero-Tec> mesa is next on the upgrade list
[20:22:46] <Aero-Tec> will close to next
[20:22:48] <PetefromTn> Oh okay Dunno where to look then but it should be in there if you have it hooked up right.
[20:22:50] <Aero-Tec> well
[20:23:10] <PetefromTn> I bought the Mesa 5I25/7I77 combo and thus far it has been kick ass...
[20:23:44] <PetefromTn> tons of I/O and analog servos with feedback closed loop. Whats not to like LOL
[20:23:56] <Aero-Tec> I have a mill and a lathe to upgrade to mesa
[20:24:08] <Aero-Tec> lol
[20:24:10] <GammaX-Shop|2> i got one lathe to convert... once it dies
[20:24:34] <PetefromTn> I am doing my Cincinatti Arrow 500 VMC....
[20:24:50] <Aero-Tec> I have a lathe and mill setting waiting for a conversion to CNC
[20:25:04] <PetefromTn> What models?
[20:25:05] <Tom_itx> so git busy
[20:25:18] <PetefromTn> Yes what he said...
[20:25:28] <Aero-Tec> lol
[20:25:38] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx Hey man I received my new Shars CNC vise today...
[20:25:51] <Tom_itx> so get to work
[20:25:58] <Tom_itx> no excuses now
[20:26:15] <PetefromTn> had to install new brakes on the wife's Isuzu Trooper limited so I did not get to do much other than wipe off the grease...
[20:26:23] <PetefromTn> Nope no excuses...
[20:26:44] <Aero-Tec> I am busy, doing this upgrade and them some production runs, then hope to get $$ so I can do upgrades, them more production and more $$ and them do the conversions
[20:27:13] <PetefromTn> Honestly the only thing that I have found I did not like about it was the tension collar seems to be a tad out of round but it works and I may just machine another one..
[20:27:56] <PetefromTn> The body seems pretty decent and as with most CNC style is ground on most sides. Kinda nicer a tad than my last Chinese Vise that was only ground on the top surfaces
[20:28:13] <PetefromTn> Aero-Tec..What machines?
[20:28:34] <Aero-Tec> all grizzly
[20:28:43] <PetefromTn> What models?
[20:28:48] <Aero-Tec> nothing fancy
[20:29:00] <GammaX-Shop|2> 704
[20:29:00] <Aero-Tec> would have to look
[20:29:01] <PetefromTn> nothing wrong with that..
[20:29:14] <Aero-Tec> one lathe and mill is over 20 years old
[20:29:36] <Aero-Tec> and then the new ones are about 5 years old
[20:29:49] <PetefromTn> I used to have an RF45 mill from Lathemaster and when I tore it apart to do the CNC retrofit it was mine for over a decade at that point...
[20:30:05] <GammaX-Shop|2> damn!
[20:30:11] <GammaX-Shop|2> thank god I bought a cnc ready pm45!
[20:30:11] <PetefromTn> Even tho the Cinci is considerably nicer I kinda miss having the RF45..
[20:30:33] <PetefromTn> Did not know there was such an animal...
[20:33:42] <Aero-Tec> the lathe is a DF-1237G
[20:34:04] <Aero-Tec> the mill modle just says ASIA
[20:34:06] <Aero-Tec> lol
[20:34:11] <GammaX-Shop|2> lol!
[20:34:15] <Aero-Tec> knee mill
[20:34:45] <PetefromTn> Is the lathe belt driven?
[20:34:52] <Aero-Tec> the new mill is very much like the RF45
[20:34:56] <Aero-Tec> yes
[20:35:13] <Aero-Tec> the new lathe is smaller
[20:35:19] <PetefromTn> I have a 12x36 asian lathe and it has been wonderful for almost 20 years of hard use no.
[20:35:37] <PetefromTn> now.
[20:36:20] <Aero-Tec> both lathes are belt
[20:37:32] <PetefromTn> While I love being able to switch gears on my Gearhead lathe I kinda wish I had gone with the belt driven 12x37 instead.
[20:42:27] <Aero-Tec> just looked at the grizz cat
[20:42:52] <Aero-Tec> mill is very close to a G0730
[20:43:19] <Aero-Tec> they did not have it for the longest time
[20:44:04] <PetefromTn> LOL I used to have that same mill.. It was pretty decent but the travels were kinda short.
[20:45:59] <Aero-Tec> new mill is close to the G0619, but mine has the 3 phase motor
[20:49:32] <generic_nick|2> ok im trying to edit a conf file to calibrate my touchscreen. it seems like i have to reboot everytime i make a change so that they take effect. is there any way to do it so that it takes effect without rebooting the pc?
[20:50:10] <PetefromTn> make all your changes and reboot once LOL?
[20:52:17] <generic_nick|2> i dont know what the exact settings are, i have to keep trying new values. i have to reboot for them to take effect to see if they worked
[20:53:18] <PetefromTn> yeah I am sure just bustin' chops. I don't think there is a way to avoid it but maybe some of the old pros here can help.
[20:56:54] <eric_unterhause1> should be able to restart X
[20:57:07] <PetefromTn> well gnight folks...
[20:57:18] <eric_unterhause1> ctrl-alt-backspace used to do it
[20:57:53] <eric_unterhause1> which distro you using? ubuntu 10.x?
[20:59:00] <eric_unterhause1> sudo restart gdm from a terminal works on 10 they say
[20:59:57] <eric_unterhause1> ctl-alt-backspace can be enabled apparently
[21:00:21] <eric_unterhause1> System -> Preferences -> Keyboard, clicking the 'Options...' button in the 'Layouts' tab and enabling 'Key sequence to kill the x server'.
[21:02:58] <generic_nick|2> 10.04
[21:03:24] <generic_nick|2> cool thanks eric_unterhause1
[21:28:19] <ssi> lawd
[21:28:41] <ssi> $11 ground shipping and a $4 handling fee for two pulleys
[21:29:11] <eric_unterhause1> from where?
[21:43:10] <ssi> ny to tn I think
[21:43:16] <ssi> qtcgears.com
[21:43:25] <eric_unterhause1> typical of smaller companies
[21:43:32] <eric_unterhause1> probably not out of line
[21:44:57] <jdh> gears for your spindle?
[21:45:01] <ssi> yeah
[21:45:09] <jdh> did you get me a pair?
[21:45:14] <ssi> negs
[21:45:18] <ssi> they're expensive!
[21:45:23] <jdh> single belt or change gear?
[21:45:28] <ssi> single belt
[21:48:05] <ssi> ugh, airbuses for all four flights this weekend
[21:48:07] <ssi> hope I don't die
[21:55:39] <jdh> ssi: anything special about their gears?
[21:55:43] <jdh> pulleys?
[21:56:08] <ReadError> ssi: how much was shipping on the grizzly?
[22:09:58] <generic_nick|2> there, got my touch screen calibrated FINALLY
[22:32:45] <ReadError> wow
[22:32:51] <ReadError> buy collets
[22:33:01] <ReadError> get this in the bottom of an email newsletter
[22:33:02] <ReadError> http://pastie.org/7914353
[22:33:15] <ReadError> from Think & Tinker
[22:34:30] <eric_unterhause1> takes all kinds
[22:41:31] <gammax-Laptop1> can someone please help me convert a make file....? it was made for emc2 with emc2 folder hiearchy. Need to make it into linuxcnc.
[23:17:01] <eric_unterhause1> gammax-Laptop1 seems like the best way would be to get a recent source tree from the repository, but I have no experience
[23:17:18] <gammax-Laptop1> yeah me either!
[23:37:30] <generic_nick|2> isnt the main folder just called linuxcnc instead of enc2?
[23:37:37] <generic_nick|2> emc2*
[23:37:46] <generic_nick|2> i thought everything else is the same