#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-14

[00:00:04] <L84Supper> all their printer does is cut and glue each layer
[00:00:13] <zultron> That's kinda neat.
[00:00:26] <zultron> You should be happy it's not a 'GGG'.
[00:00:36] <zultron> Ha ha1
[00:00:37] <zultron> !
[00:01:03] <L84Supper> it's not good for much
[00:01:37] <L84Supper> it's like having a #3 phillps for a toolset
[00:02:05] <zultron> Well, neither are the papier-mache' balloons your kids made in kindergarten, but they're pretty right? Plus the sentimental value.
[00:02:08] <L84Supper> but you won't see hybrids in the US for many years
[00:02:16] <zultron> Sniff, my first 3D printer!
[00:02:26] <L84Supper> the patent holders won't cooperate
[00:02:58] <zultron> Holdering out for the biggest licensing deal, huh?
[00:03:03] <L84Supper> if they can't have it all then nobody wins
[00:03:22] <zultron> Meh, they'll be worked around
[00:03:30] <zultron> They're not important enough to block this.
[00:04:07] <eric_unterhause1> I keep wondering why there aren't lawsuits all over the place given the number of 3d printer companies
[00:04:22] <eric_unterhause1> or am I just not paying attention?
[00:04:50] <L84Supper> the patents for the basic glue gun has expired
[00:05:13] <zultron> But 3d printing with a glue gun is a 'utility patent'.
[00:05:16] <L84Supper> 3d systems filed against the Form1
[00:05:41] <L84Supper> the inkjet + powder patent just expired
[00:07:15] <zultron> I should go rip apart my old Tektronix solid ink printer and turn it into a 3D printer. That thing's older than 14 years, and printing repeatedly on the same piece of paper shouldn't pass the 'non-obvious' test.
[00:07:20] <L84Supper> there was just a bunch of lawsuits and acquisitions and mergers
[00:08:08] <L84Supper> the big two in the US are 3D systems ad Stratasys
[00:08:20] <L84Supper> ad/and
[00:08:52] <L84Supper> buy up competitors and just sit on the tech
[00:09:29] <zultron> What else do they do?
[00:09:36] <L84Supper> sell a few machines at high margins, even higher margins on the materials and only target protos
[00:09:37] <zultron> Not familiar with those.
[00:10:20] <zultron> And a big legal arm to protect their intellectchul proppity?
[00:10:25] <L84Supper> they all print at glacial speeds and the materials costs are so high even if they were fast you can't print anything affordable
[00:11:20] <eric_unterhause1> I'm waiting for the patent on the magnifying glass and desert sand printer to expire
[00:11:30] <eric_unterhause1> that thing is awesome
[00:11:35] <L84Supper> hundreds of $$ per liter for wax and $2/lb monomers
[00:12:01] <L84Supper> polymer powders at 1000% margins
[00:13:16] <L84Supper> inkjet printers for $100k's with $500/l fluids
[00:13:59] <eric_unterhause1> so basically, another killer tech being dragged down by rent seekers
[00:14:11] <L84Supper> so parts that could be printer for 20 cents worth of materials end up costing $100
[00:14:28] <L84Supper> yes, for the past 30 years
[00:14:57] <L84Supper> the patent holder of SLA at 3D systems just cashed out 50% of his stock
[00:14:59] <eric_unterhause1> didn't realize it had been that long
[00:15:09] <L84Supper> getting out ow
[00:15:12] <L84Supper> now
[00:15:32] <eric_unterhause1> I guess I'm getting old
[00:16:19] <eric_unterhause1> crap,it's been 30 years since I got my undergrad degree
[00:16:47] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hull
[00:18:05] <L84Supper> http://news.investors.com/technology/031413-647994-3d-systems-falls-as-founder-charles-hull-sells-stock.htm
[00:19:55] <L84Supper> nobody in the west is going after high speed additive manufacturing systems
[00:20:29] <L84Supper> it's all old slow proto printers
[00:35:38] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941604_10100139469579352_512852766_n.jpg
[00:35:41] <ssi> hahahah
[00:35:51] <ssi> Z mount is looking good
[00:35:55] <ssi> guy behind the madness, not so much
[00:37:39] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKM8TVgCMAE_YeB.jpg:large
[00:42:15] <Valen> what motor ssi?
[00:42:22] <ssi> MCG 60v servo
[00:42:34] <Valen> what $ and driver and source?
[00:42:43] <ssi> source is ebay, about $50 apiece
[00:42:46] <Valen> nice
[00:42:49] <ssi> drivers are AMC 30A8T
[00:43:08] <ssi> I've got two each of two different kinds of servo
[00:43:33] <Valen> heh shipping on anything like that to here starts at $60
[00:43:33] <gammax-Laptop1> ssi are u british?
[00:43:37] <ssi> hah no
[00:43:47] <gammax-Laptop1> you look british! ll
[00:43:52] <ssi> weird
[00:44:00] <ssi> I'm not british I just have shitty teeth
[00:44:00] <ssi> hahah
[00:44:07] <gammax-Laptop1> hahaha ditto
[00:44:23] <ssi> Valen: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKM97aHCAAMBFum.jpg:large
[00:44:34] <ssi> I used the skinny kind on the Y, so it tucks up under the table
[00:44:39] <Valen> nice
[00:44:43] <ssi> https://twitter.com/facetiousian/status/334078800226824192/photo/1/large
[00:44:52] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKGFA46CQAA-7-2.jpg:large
[00:44:53] <zultron> ssi, what's the Z-axis column that motor bracket's attached to?
[00:44:54] <Valen> I'd better go get some screws and bearings
[00:45:00] <ssi> zultron: g0704 column
[00:45:50] <zultron> Ah hah! Very nice.
[00:47:55] <zultron> Leadscrew inside the column? Very nice.
[00:48:22] <ssi> where else would it go? :D
[00:48:37] <zultron> Don't make fun. I've got a Sieg X2 retrofit.
[00:48:43] <ssi> ohhh
[00:49:01] <ssi> they're what, rack driven on the outside stock?
[00:49:30] <zultron> Originally a rack between the dovetails, but the retrofit mine came with is a ballscrew mounted on the side.
[00:49:52] <ssi> gotcha
[00:49:57] <ssi> hey you have more cnc mill than I do right now
[00:50:40] <zultron> Except that the controller is sitting in my server rack, used for RTAPI testing at the moment. :P
[00:52:16] <ssi> daw
[00:52:46] <zultron> I'm in the middle of taking a break from being in the middle of fixing the LinuxCNC build system to compile rtapi/ulapi modules for all realtime threads flavors with a single ./configure run.
[00:53:18] <ssi> haha
[00:53:19] <zultron> Hit the kernel threads flavors and had to stop for a while.
[00:54:17] <ssi> so I kinda want to gear my Z down even further than X and Y
[00:54:21] <ssi> but the pulleys get espensive
[00:54:49] <ssi> about the smallest pulley I can run on the 3/8" servo shafts is 14 tooth
[00:54:53] <ssi> and I have to bore it out from 1/4"
[00:55:00] <zultron> Buy a CNC 4th axis and stop buying pulleys. ;)
[00:55:18] <ssi> the biggest XL pulleys are 60 tooth for $39 and 72 for $48
[00:55:24] <ssi> zultron: you realize the bootstrapping issue here, yes?
[00:55:33] <ssi> I'm trying to make my one and only cnc mill run
[00:55:54] <ssi> I could try plasma cutting XL pulleys, but I have a suspicion that won't work out in my favor :/
[00:55:55] <zultron> Bah hah, sorry, I guess I wasn't being so clever as I thought.
[00:56:30] <ssi> 72 tooth would give me a 5.14 reduction
[00:56:49] <ssi> which is still 206ipm
[00:56:54] <ssi> at 5300rpm, .2 lead
[00:58:43] <ssi> actually these fat motors might be quite a bit slower
[00:58:49] <ssi> I can't find definitive datasheets :/
[00:59:09] <zultron> Any other tools at your disposal? Your big plastic pulleys might be 3D-printed, then bore the hole for the bushing.
[00:59:26] <ssi> you name it, I have it
[00:59:30] <ssi> except cnc mill :)
[00:59:36] <ssi> I could 3d print them
[00:59:41] <ssi> but I don't think they'll hold up that well
[00:59:44] <ssi> maybe I'm wrong
[01:00:32] <zultron> I bet ABS would do the trick for at least as long as it took to cut your own Al gears.
[01:00:46] <ssi> it's gonna be awhile before I have a working 4th axis
[01:01:16] <zultron> $200 on ebay, you might have it by Friday.
[01:01:26] <ssi> what, 4th?
[01:01:28] <ssi> link?
[01:01:35] <zultron> CNC rotary table
[01:01:42] <ssi> I have a rotary table, but it's manual
[01:01:53] <zultron> That'll work.
[01:02:02] <ssi> one more thing to convert :)
[01:02:30] <zultron> Tell Excel to make the list of stops. How many wheels do you need?
[01:02:38] <ssi> 2 big ones
[01:02:46] <ssi> although I can buy another acetal one for X
[01:02:59] <zultron> Sounds pretty doable!
[01:03:21] <zultron> You might have to spring for a special mill.
[01:03:31] <ssi> I'll probably just buy another acetal pulley for Z for now, and bore it out to 3/8"
[01:03:34] <ssi> and then see where I'm at
[01:03:44] <zultron> There you go.
[01:03:49] <ssi> I don't know how fast these motors will run yet
[01:04:41] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKLiYgHCEAAMh6d.jpg:large
[01:04:44] <ssi> :P
[01:05:20] <ssi> I like how it has a spot for "SERIL" number
[01:05:23] <ssi> <3 china
[01:05:38] <zultron> Bah ha!
[01:06:16] <ssi> I'm going to california thursday, so I'm not exactly in a huge hurry to get this stuff all sorted out
[01:06:19] <zultron> Love how it's fixed on the table. I need to do that with the crappy vise that came with my Sieg.
[01:06:32] <ssi> what, clamping blocks?
[01:06:34] <ssi> those are a must have :)
[01:07:26] <ssi> I didn't feel like trying to make a lathe run so I bored the pulley in that fixture
[01:07:41] <ssi> and I turned a bushing down to 5/16" by chucking it in an R8 collet and holding a lathe tool in the mill vise
[01:07:44] <ssi> lazy++
[01:07:55] <ssi> three lathes and none of them were more convenient than that
[01:08:17] <zultron> Wow!!! I love it!
[01:10:19] <zultron> See, as long as you're doing that sort of thing, you could use the same fixture, chuck some funky hob into the R8, and go to work cutting that exact pulley.
[01:10:57] <Gammax-new> ssi, http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/LinuxCNC/Modbus/ does that make sense?
[01:15:28] <zultron> I can hook up my VFD-controlled spindle to LinuxCNC through its modbus interface now?
[01:15:39] <ssi> zultron: that'd be great if I had some funky hob
[01:16:01] <zultron> Another chicken or egg, sounds like.
[01:16:06] <ssi> yep
[01:16:29] <zultron> Does 'you name it' include tool grinders and heat treat ovens?
[01:16:40] <ssi> I have a surface grinder, but no heat treat oven
[01:16:52] <ssi> I do have a kiln, but it's at my other shop and not hooked up, and I have no idea what I'm doing with it
[01:17:14] <zultron> Does the kiln have a PID controller on it?
[01:17:16] <ssi> no
[01:17:18] <ssi> one day :)
[01:17:40] <ssi> Gammax-new: I don't know anything about modbus
[01:17:45] <zultron> Hmm, getting a little too far down that avenue.
[01:18:05] <ssi> zultron: yeah that's too deep to avoid spending $50 on a pulley
[01:18:39] <zultron> So time's worth money.
[01:18:56] <ssi> duh
[01:19:02] <ssi> plus money's worth money
[01:19:05] <Gammax-new> zultron, know anything about modbus?
[01:19:11] <ssi> and it would cost me money to have the stuff I needed to make a hob so that I could try to make a pulley
[01:19:20] <zultron> I'd spend the $50 too unless I were going into the pulley business.
[01:19:28] <zultron> And maybe I'd spend it anyway.
[01:19:35] <ssi> what I don't want to do is buy an expensive pulley that may or may not be what I need
[01:19:39] <ssi> hence, acetal for now
[01:19:51] <ssi> it'll be the same 3.4 reduction as x/y, which may be too little
[01:19:53] <ssi> but it'll WORK
[01:21:08] <zultron> Don't know much about modbus, except that running my VFD with that sounds cooler than a +10V/-10V signal, if realtime 'guarantees' (ha ha) are met.
[01:22:40] <zultron> I don't know about servos. Is it not as straight-forward as putting a tach on the spindle and seeing how fast it spins?
[01:22:55] <zultron> Or even reading the spec?
[01:23:18] <ssi> reading the spec would be the easy way
[01:23:20] <ssi> if I had one
[01:23:30] <ssi> could put a tach on the spindle and see how fast it spins
[01:23:32] <ssi> if I had a tach:D
[01:23:59] <zultron> Well a tach is a basic one, and that's $15 or so on ebay. No excuse there. :)
[01:24:04] <ssi> if I was really motivated, I could hook the encoder up to something and measure velocity while running it with different voltages
[01:24:17] <zultron> Oh yeah, you have an encoder.
[01:24:19] * zultron drools
[01:24:20] <ssi> the fact that it's on ebay is an excuse
[01:24:24] <ssi> ie not in my hands
[01:24:26] <ssi> heheh
[01:24:57] <zultron> Hey just order it now instead of gabbing here for the next five minutes.
[01:25:05] <ssi> order what
[01:25:12] <zultron> tach
[01:25:14] <ssi> which tach
[01:25:16] <ssi> mount it how
[01:25:17] <ssi> etc
[01:25:29] <ssi> you're solving problems that don't exist
[01:25:46] <ssi> by creating more problems to solve :)
[01:25:59] <gammax-Laptop1> I still need to find a way to appropriately mount my photo microsensor
[01:27:43] <zultron> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Laser-Photo-Tachometer-Non-Contact-RPM-Tach-Tachometer-Meter-USA-/281081763506?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4171c756b2
[01:28:25] <zultron> Ok ok, I think that's the signal that it's time for bed.
[01:28:33] <zultron> g'night all!
[01:28:42] <gammax-Laptop1> later man
[01:34:00] <ssi> this machine crap gets expensive in a hurry
[01:47:55] <gammax-Laptop1> ssi, ohhhh yes it does!
[02:13:09] <DJ9DJ> moin
[04:36:17] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:10:36] * jthornton wonders how having 3-d models of a couple of structural steel shapes can save a "TON" of time making a model of a plasma table
[06:11:01] <jthornton> it must be terrible software if it takes that long to make a tube shape
[07:13:10] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZGP7zNWq-I
[07:13:11] <Tecan> (RZGP7zNWq-I) "LinuxCNC Touch Probe on Steroids" by "ghislain van de walle" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:39
[07:42:42] <jthornton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXh7voTKkJ8
[07:42:43] <Tecan> (uXh7voTKkJ8) "Homemade cnc, VIP customer wheel golf cart 3/4" thick CNC aluminium milling episode #2" by "laurent parti" is "Tech" - Length: 0:05:31
[08:00:44] <vvompy> Hi, I want to install RTAI and experiment with it a bit. Does anyone here know which Distribution would run the easiest install and is there an up-to-date tutorial out there? I found some tutorials, but they are all from 2010 and earlier.
[08:01:38] <vvompy> and sorry that I am asking in this channel, I didn't find an rtai one so I hoped you guys would know something about it, since I read linuxcnc is somehow working with rtai
[08:07:42] <jdh> vvompy: easiest would be the linuxcnc livecd install. Has rtai there and working.
[08:18:07] <vvompy> that sounds quite nice, thanks for that tip
[08:50:39] <PetefromTn_> .
[08:59:46] <Gigs-> If you all haven't seen this: http://chain-guide.com/applications/index.html
[09:40:11] <ssi> HI
[09:40:41] <jdh> what does ssi mean?
[09:41:18] <ssi> stealth systems, inc
[09:41:23] <ssi> an aborted corporaton
[09:41:24] <ssi> hahah
[09:41:33] <jdh> even more stealthy!
[09:41:39] <ssi> yes
[09:55:32] <ssi> where's all the chatterboxes this morning! :(
[09:56:25] <L84Supper> you've been quite
[09:56:46] <L84Supper> quiet even
[09:57:02] <PetefromTn> hello fellas..
[09:58:41] <ssi> I know I tend to talk to myself... but it's so much better with a friend
[10:03:58] <ssi> I made some more progress on the '704 lasterday
[10:04:08] <ssi> z servo mount: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKM8TVgCMAE_YeB.jpg
[10:04:13] <ssi> today I'll get more pulleys and belts
[10:04:37] <ssi> still need to work out a way to mount the X servo... it's gonna involve two plates with spacers, as much as I don't want it to
[10:05:42] <jdh> plasma cut?
[10:05:47] <ssi> yea
[10:05:58] <jdh> that looks pretty handy
[10:06:06] <ssi> when all you have is a hammer... :D
[10:06:26] <jdh> mine is hung off the back
[10:06:40] <ssi> I slung it to the side to minimize the space I need behind the machine
[10:07:52] <skunkworks> aren't white boards awesome?
[10:08:13] <ssi> heh yes
[10:08:20] <ssi> I want another one to put in the other room by the mill
[10:08:46] <skunkworks> ssi, cut with linuxcnc? or mach?
[10:08:52] <ssi> linuxcnc!
[10:08:56] <skunkworks> yay!
[10:08:59] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/cezftjk
[10:09:00] <ssi> mach free!
[10:09:20] <skunkworks> yAY!
[10:09:20] <ssi> jdh: I can't etll what the black parts are
[10:09:26] <jdh> stepper covers
[10:09:28] <ssi> ah
[10:09:40] <jdh> connor made those
[10:09:49] <ssi> yea I remember when he was working on that
[10:09:54] <ssi> I made a model and 3d printed some stepper covers
[10:10:01] <ssi> and encoder mounts
[10:10:14] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/ck2rthk
[10:10:39] <ssi> I made some hoss-style mount plates like yours, but I can't use them
[10:10:50] <ssi> cause a) they're for nema23, b) I can't direct drive with these servos
[10:11:11] <ssi> and I'm kinda glad I did what I did, cause now I don't have motors hanging off the front OR the back :D
[10:11:18] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKLi5haCMAIynMD.jpg:large
[10:11:56] <jdh> that looks good
[10:12:05] <skunkworks> ssi, are you using original for now?
[10:12:19] <ssi> skunkworks: original what?
[10:12:21] <jdh> did you take the column off to drill it?
[10:12:25] <ssi> jdh: yea
[10:12:47] <jdh> my bolts did not want to come out
[10:12:47] <ssi> original RECIPE?!
[10:12:53] <skunkworks> heh - lead screws
[10:12:54] <ssi> oh
[10:12:57] <ssi> no it's all ballscrews
[10:13:24] <skunkworks> nice!@
[10:13:40] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/ck2rthk
[10:13:45] <jdh> my Y sticks way the hell out
[10:14:23] <ssi> that's the stepper cover pic
[10:14:31] <ssi> and yeah, I'm glad to get away from that
[10:14:43] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/cmcz93j
[10:16:46] <skunkworks> I think I would do ss1's way even if I was using steppers.. Allows for servo upgrade in the future.
[10:16:51] <skunkworks> ssi
[10:17:17] <skunkworks> (with a little extra cost for pullys and belts..)
[10:17:36] <jdh> I'm still planning on moving the Y to the back like that at some point. Have to get a new ballscrew. I could get another 1" or so of travel also
[10:18:11] <jdh> ssi: did you have any problem getting the column bolts out?
[10:18:26] <jdh> I tried an 18" bar and they did not want to pop free.
[10:23:37] <ssi> jdh: i took it apart 2 years ago, but I don't recall any special effort
[10:24:06] <PetefromTn__> hello my link keeps joining and quitting for some odd reason.
[10:24:16] <ssi> I might ought to have milled the base some to allow for extra travel while it was apart
[10:24:58] <ssi> what time does mesa open?
[10:25:03] <ssi> I need to order more goods and services
[10:30:00] <DJ9DJ> re
[10:38:47] <PetefromTn> hello
[10:41:49] <ssi> sweet
[10:44:14] <generic_nick|2> sweet?
[10:52:05] <ssi> SWEET
[10:52:11] <ssi> I ordered another 7i77/5i25 kit
[10:52:18] <ssi> and I am gonna try to pick it up in person
[10:55:06] <ReadError_> mesa is in atlanta?
[10:55:39] <ssi> no, they're in berkeley
[10:55:46] <ssi> I'm flying to sfo thursday
[10:55:49] <ReadError_> ahh
[10:57:59] <ssi> so I had a crazy idea last night
[10:58:23] <ssi> set up a hal thread at like 1 second period
[10:58:37] <ssi> write a component that has a function that runs on that thread, and collects various information about what's running
[10:59:01] <ssi> and pushes notification messages to an off-machine process that can, say, send push notifications to your phone
[10:59:18] <ssi> then you can get "cycle's done" alerts, or "manual toolchange needed", or "fault"
[10:59:47] <ssi> or "hey dummy you left your servo drives enabled and nothing's been done for ten minutes"
[11:03:45] <ssi> PetefromTn: stay put! :D
[11:06:54] <DJ9DJ> re
[11:09:27] <PetefromTn> tryin'
[11:10:13] <ssi> hehe
[11:10:20] <ssi> so how's your cutting been going?
[11:10:23] <ssi> got any pics of parts you made?
[11:11:25] <PetefromTn> not so far...
[11:12:34] <Nick001-Shop> <ssi> have you done steppers with encoders?
[11:26:20] <ssi> Nick001-Shop: no, not yet
[11:30:33] <Nick001-Shop> darn - got a control=1 and don't have a clue where it goes
[11:33:39] <ssi> I don't know what you mean by that
[11:34:56] <Nick001-Shop> that's to put the stepper into velocity mode
[11:35:57] <ssi> oh
[11:36:09] <ssi> isn't it control-type?
[11:36:17] <ssi> I had to do that on my plasma chargepump
[11:40:08] <Nick001-Shop> don't know found so far - start with servo setup and enable stepgen and control=1 to put it into velocity mode to be able to use the encoders to correct any missed steps
[11:41:49] <jdh> does that actually work?
[11:42:23] <jdh> if you missed a step, isn't it likely due to load/stall?
[11:42:43] <pcw_home> Yep works (it will not correct for missed steps, only detect them)
[11:43:05] <pcw_home> And can give high accuracy
[11:43:11] <skunkworks> well - if the missing steps don't cause a stall - it will correct them...
[11:43:19] <pcw_home> Yes
[11:52:09] <Nick001-Shop> that's what I'm trying to do - just can't find sample files for enough info
[11:56:24] <Nick001-Shop> be back later
[12:11:38] <generic_nick|2> http://www.plccenter.co.uk/en-GB/Buy/RAPIDSYN%20DIVISION/23E6003FB
[12:11:55] <generic_nick|2> i have one of these which was used as an mpg in a mill
[12:12:27] <generic_nick|2> wonder how hard it would be to figure out the wiring.
[12:12:55] <generic_nick|2> i found the +and-5v lines
[12:13:07] <generic_nick|2> there are 4 wires left, i assume a and b
[12:13:24] <generic_nick|2> think it would hurt anything if i guessed?
[12:17:38] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:29:10] <IchGuckLive> not mutch posting today !
[12:29:17] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:33:28] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: ?
[12:37:25] <Aero-Tec> when threading, using the thread tapper, how does EMC calc this?
[12:37:38] <Aero-Tec> does it go past Z end?
[12:39:28] <Aero-Tec> also when threading and you start say .01 from the stock end before the thread starts to get things up to speed, how does the start thread tapper work?
[12:41:16] <archivist> "thread tapper" what g code are you looking at
[12:41:39] <Aero-Tec> g76
[12:41:54] <IchGuckLive> spindle encoder is ppr
[12:42:21] <Aero-Tec> one per rev
[12:42:26] <Aero-Tec> index only
[12:42:43] <IchGuckLive> so no tread precission
[12:42:45] <archivist> start well out of the work for index only
[12:43:01] <IchGuckLive> why not at list 100ppr
[12:43:18] <IchGuckLive> yu got only one info per rev thats bad
[12:43:55] <IchGuckLive> so you will overshout the Z at max 1 rev
[12:44:08] <IchGuckLive> = 1 tread pitch
[12:44:09] <archivist> Aero-Tec, it is guessing by interpolation,
[12:44:43] <IchGuckLive> and you need to do a Z on and ov of 1 rev or more
[12:45:25] <pcw_home> if you have a lot of inertia, good speed control, or shallow cuts, it might be OK
[12:46:13] <pcw_home> but its pretty m^2
[12:48:02] <JT-Shop> yes
[12:51:24] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: it must be terrible software if it takes that long to make a tube shape
[12:51:31] <IchGuckLive> did you see my plasma CAd
[12:52:16] <IchGuckLive> in ProE i did only 2 Squares and all other is parametric assambly on the table as long and Width height can be freed
[12:52:39] <IchGuckLive> acording 2 -> jthornton wonders how having 3-d models of a couple of structural steel shapes can save a "TON" of time making a model of a plasma table
[12:53:46] <IchGuckLive> i teatch my students on how to make a Hole Mashinesidewalk with one part and 4 klicks
[12:54:23] <IchGuckLive> if a Female student is present she need to deside hight and wide of the finish part ! B)
[12:55:18] <JT-Shop> that was in reference to the mailing list
[12:57:25] <IchGuckLive> found it in the irc log
[13:02:35] <Aero-Tec> 8 inch chuck and 2 HP motor
[13:02:43] <Aero-Tec> not a small lathe
[13:02:54] <Aero-Tec> sorry got phone call
[13:03:18] <Aero-Tec> doing max so far 1 inch thread
[13:04:04] <Aero-Tec> I have the abilaty to add 3 more ppr
[13:04:16] <Aero-Tec> so 4 plus a index
[13:05:05] <Aero-Tec> the index would be the same as one of the pulses
[13:06:05] <Aero-Tec> also one would be larger then the others, it would be the index one
[13:06:20] <Aero-Tec> I could make a new encoder ring
[13:07:01] <Aero-Tec> possibly do 10 ppr
[13:07:13] <Aero-Tec> with a index
[13:07:49] <archivist> I have 48 plus index on my little lathe
[13:08:46] <Aero-Tec> I am using the Pport, not sure if fast enough for lots of ppr
[13:11:42] <Aero-Tec> any help on setting up a new encoder would be great
[13:12:40] <Aero-Tec> I can make it, but not sure how fast the port and comp will work
[13:16:12] <Aero-Tec> the encoder i have on it now has 4 slots, one is abour 1.5 longer then the other 3
[13:16:21] <Aero-Tec> it was setup for mach
[13:17:19] <Aero-Tec> but mach did not finish the longer encoder slot upgrade and so I had to cover up all but one slot
[13:18:27] <Aero-Tec> to do 4 + index I would need to add a hole and a new opto for index
[13:18:59] <pcw_home> 4 PPR should be a lot better than 1
[13:20:01] <pcw_home> only 1/4 as much time to get into trouble
[13:20:09] <Aero-Tec> lol
[13:20:20] <Aero-Tec> I could make a new disk
[13:20:43] <Aero-Tec> but not sure how many ppr I can go
[13:21:13] <Aero-Tec> if Pport and box is fast enough I could go lots more
[13:21:40] <FinboySlick> You guys seen this? It's pretty cute. http://vimeo.com/44251003
[13:21:46] <Aero-Tec> just do not want pulse to get to short for box to see
[13:21:54] <FinboySlick> And you can't go wrong with the man in black.
[13:22:15] <pcw_home> Max PPR depends on your base thread rate and spindle RPM
[13:22:17] <pcw_home> (and slot width if you are not doing square waves/quadrature)
[13:23:17] <Aero-Tec> not there yet but hope to be soon
[13:26:07] <Aero-Tec> base period 25000
[13:26:19] <Aero-Tec> max rpm 1300
[13:29:23] <Aero-Tec> encoder dia is 3.75 inch
[13:30:00] <Aero-Tec> any recomendations for a new encoder?
[13:30:50] <ssi> Aero-Tec: this is on a lathe?
[13:30:58] <Aero-Tec> yes
[13:31:02] <ssi> I made mine
[13:31:06] <ssi> http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/205204_655375525742_5631970_n.jpg
[13:31:33] <ssi> I think it's 32ppr
[13:32:43] <Aero-Tec> looks good
[13:32:55] <Aero-Tec> you using a Pport?
[13:33:14] <pcw_home> 60/1300/25e-6 = 1800 CPR so maybe 500 CPR max = 125 slots
[13:33:14] <Aero-Tec> not sure what seep they will work at
[13:33:30] <ssi> no, 7i43
[13:35:21] <Aero-Tec> will a pport work at that speed?
[13:36:57] <Aero-Tec> will also have to rewrite my startup files
[13:37:43] <Aero-Tec> add a index input
[13:45:48] <Aero-Tec> I started on a very thin shoe string, so I had to cheap out as much as possible
[13:46:04] <Aero-Tec> had to build up stock and tooling
[13:46:34] <Aero-Tec> now I have some $$ to upgrade the machines
[13:46:56] <Aero-Tec> just need to order things and have some time to do the work
[13:47:29] <Aero-Tec> problem is machine upgrades mean machine down time
[13:48:09] <Aero-Tec> need to get ahead of things a tad more for that to happen
[13:50:29] <GammaX-Shop> heyyyyy everybody!
[13:50:45] <ssi> heyyyyy
[13:51:32] <Aero-Tec> anyone know about pports and how fast they are?
[13:51:59] <Aero-Tec> I know the standared is a tad sloppy and changed over time
[13:52:26] <Aero-Tec> would hate to make a encoder and have it not work
[13:53:22] <Aero-Tec> was wondering if someone had first hand know how of it
[13:58:47] <skunkworks> Aero-Tec, depends mostly on computer latency...
[14:04:15] <generic_nick|2> any idea why a keyboard/mouse would start acting up when linuxcnc is powered on?
[14:05:23] <GammaX-Shop> generic_nick|2: wireless or hard wired?
[14:05:51] <generic_nick|2> i tried 2 identical keyboards, keeps doing it. the keyboard has a built in mouse thing. when i turn linuxcnc, the lights on the keyboard (for cap lock, etc) flash, and the curser acts all weird.
[14:05:53] <generic_nick|2> wired
[14:06:19] <generic_nick|2> it only seems to do it with a usb extension cable. but it didnt do this before, it's a new problem
[14:06:36] <generic_nick|2> i tried different extension cables, it isnt the cable
[14:06:37] <GammaX-Shop> how long of an extension?
[14:06:45] <GammaX-Shop> what about without the extension?
[14:06:55] <generic_nick|2> works ok without it
[14:07:09] <generic_nick|2> 6 feet or so
[14:07:20] <GammaX-Shop> you usb hub might not be outputting a good amount of voltage and/or amps
[14:07:26] <generic_nick|2> no hub
[14:07:32] <GammaX-Shop> the hub on your motherboard
[14:07:40] <generic_nick|2> it's the only usb device i use
[14:07:49] <GammaX-Shop> I understand
[14:07:54] <generic_nick|2> ah
[14:07:55] <GammaX-Shop> have u tried diff usb ports?
[14:07:59] <generic_nick|2> it's a new problem
[14:08:01] <generic_nick|2> yes
[14:08:06] <generic_nick|2> doesnt change
[14:08:09] <GammaX-Shop> front and back?
[14:08:18] <GammaX-Shop> or every usb port?
[14:08:27] <generic_nick|2> there's only 4, i tried all
[14:08:28] <GammaX-Shop> U might only have 1 "hub" on hte motherboard...
[14:08:34] <generic_nick|2> it' an atom board
[14:08:40] <generic_nick|2> d510mo
[14:09:13] <GammaX-Shop> you can try to do a bios update.... you can try a diff keyboard
[14:09:18] <ReadError_> so finding 8" hook and loop straps is like impossible
[14:09:26] <ReadError_> atleast on amazon, unless i want 100
[14:09:30] <GammaX-Shop> read 8" wide?
[14:09:34] <ReadError_> long
[14:09:46] <generic_nick|2> GammaX: it's a new problem, something is wrong
[14:09:46] <ReadError_> like the kind with the little plastic loop
[14:09:49] <GammaX-Shop> Im fairly certain they have 25 and 50
[14:09:54] <generic_nick|2> it worked fine for years before that
[14:10:02] <generic_nick|2> i tried 2 keyboards, same thing
[14:10:30] <GammaX-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Industrial-Strength-Sticky-Back-Fasteners/dp/B00006RSP1/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1368557779&sr=8-7&keywords=velcro
[14:10:42] <GammaX-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Sticky-Back-Fastener-Dispenser-VEK90081/dp/B00006RSWT/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1368557779&sr=8-8&keywords=velcro
[14:10:56] <Connor> generic_nick|2: Your keyboard isn't working ?
[14:10:58] <ReadError_> http://www.frys.com/product/3358942?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[14:11:02] <GammaX-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-2-Inch-10-Feet-Industrial-Strength/dp/B00114LOMM/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1368557779&sr=8-14&keywords=velcro
[14:11:03] <ReadError_> like that
[14:11:06] <Aero-Tec> skunkworks the base period is 25000 if that helps any
[14:11:07] <ReadError_> with the loop
[14:11:20] <generic_nick|2> Connor: it's working, but it's acting up when linuxcnc is powered on
[14:11:29] <GammaX-Shop> ohh
[14:11:34] <GammaX-Shop> make your own
[14:11:36] <Connor> How is it acting up ?
[14:11:50] <GammaX-Shop> or just buy from frys..
[14:11:58] <ReadError_> yea frys screwed me over already
[14:12:01] <Connor> are you sourcing anything with 5v from the Computer or USB ports ?
[14:12:09] <ReadError_> said "ohai we have them in stock, ships same day"
[14:12:14] <GammaX-Shop> Connor: I dont think its getting enough power. that or the extensions are messing with is signal quality.
[14:12:19] <generic_nick|2> lights flash, it stops responding, curser keeps going to the upper left corner of the screen.
[14:12:20] <ReadError_> order, 2 days later "uhmm yea, about that, we dont have them in stock..."
[14:12:33] <GammaX-Shop> make your own
[14:12:37] <generic_nick|2> Connor: yes, i run something of the 5v.
[14:12:45] <generic_nick|2> but it has worked for years
[14:12:55] <Connor> PSU's can get weak.
[14:12:58] <Connor> anything change?
[14:13:18] <generic_nick|2> not since the last it worked.
[14:13:29] <ReadError_> GammaX, then i have to sew
[14:13:29] <GammaX-Shop> generic_nick|2: I have a feeling your hub is having issues, might be worth a try to get a pcie or pci usb port card
[14:13:33] <GammaX-Shop> ReadError_: sew.. maching... no diff
[14:13:34] <skunkworks> Aero-Tec, you should be able to count reliably at 20khz... If you quadature is perfect - you can aproch 40khz
[14:13:48] <generic_nick|2> GammaX: not an option on my mobo
[14:14:06] <generic_nick|2> only 1 pci slot and it's used for a mesa card
[14:14:21] <Aero-Tec> skunkworks thanks for the info
[14:14:26] <Connor> Do you have the other USB headers hooked up? Atom boards have a header for additional 2 usb's
[14:14:35] <generic_nick|2> no
[14:14:36] <GammaX-Shop> they do sell powered usb extensions but Idk if thats the exact problem...
[14:14:58] <GammaX-Shop> so to spend the money just to TRY and fix it.... I dont like doing that
[14:15:15] <Aero-Tec> will need to rewrite my startup files for the new encoder system
[14:15:26] <Connor> You might try running the 5v off a external PSU to see if that fixes the issue... instead of sourcing it off the CPU 5v
[14:15:49] <generic_nick|2> Connor: i changed the power supply for the servos to run on 220v to get them off the same circuit as the computer, and it helped
[14:15:58] <generic_nick|2> Connor: already tried that
[14:16:03] <GammaX-Shop> generic_nick|2: do you have an accurate meter that can tell you have many miliamps are going to the keyboard?
[14:16:16] <Connor> Hmm.. Sounds like EMF or noise then..
[14:16:21] <generic_nick|2> i doubt it's accurate
[14:16:32] <GammaX-Shop> also for anyone interested in knowing.... a atx power supply CAN and does quite well.. supply 24v out of the box.
[14:16:41] <generic_nick|2> Connor: hmm maybe, huh?
[14:16:52] <Connor> electrical noise...
[14:16:59] <generic_nick|2> yea
[14:16:59] <Connor> EMF.. same thing...
[14:17:06] <GammaX-Shop> generic_nick|2: well if you can open the keyboard you can take readings while its plugged in directly and then while its plugged in from extension
[14:17:18] <Connor> You have it on a USB extension ?
[14:17:22] <generic_nick|2> yes
[14:17:29] <Connor> if, so, remove that for a test.. and see if the problem goes away
[14:17:30] <GammaX-Shop> Connor: its only 6 footer
[14:17:38] <generic_nick|2> Connor: it does
[14:17:49] <generic_nick|2> i tried 2 extensions
[14:17:54] <generic_nick|2> didnt fix it
[14:18:16] <Connor> Stupid question... any AC lights, radios, chargers transformers etc etc near the USB extension.. or AC lines running PARALLEL to it ?
[14:18:48] <Connor> could be a bad transformer..
[14:18:59] <generic_nick|2> it runs across some cables, but it always has
[14:19:14] <Aero-Tec> did you move the keyboard to a new location?
[14:19:16] <generic_nick|2> bad transformer as in the psu?
[14:19:17] <generic_nick|2> no
[14:19:29] <ReadError_> get a wireless keyboard/mouse
[14:19:32] <ReadError_> they are great
[14:19:34] <generic_nick|2> no
[14:19:36] <Connor> doesn't matter.. something could have changed in a transformer.. or something.. PSU could have also blown a filter cap or snubber..
[14:19:43] <generic_nick|2> i like my keyboard
[14:19:48] <GammaX-Shop> i dont like wireless for anything on cnc...
[14:19:54] <ReadError_> whys that
[14:20:02] <ReadError_> my display faces the opposite way
[14:20:05] <ReadError_> and my router is pretty big
[14:20:10] <ReadError_> so its the only good solution
[14:20:16] <generic_nick|2> because cnc is realtime and wireless isnt, i would asume
[14:20:25] <ReadError_> uh?
[14:20:28] <Connor> same reason he want's this fixed.. RF noise and latency
[14:20:38] <GammaX-Shop> 1, extra RF. 2, you could be doing something like jogging and the power goes out of your somehow out of range it and continues on.... Not safe IMHO
[14:20:43] <ReadError_> usb is realtime?
[14:21:40] <generic_nick|2> Connor: i was getting ferrors out of the blue at about the same time. when i changed the servo power supply to run on 220v instead of 110v, it got better
[14:22:14] <Connor> anyway generic_nick|2 I would eliminate your CPU's PSU.. and check any other PSU's and wall warts you have.. something is producing major EMF
[14:22:40] <generic_nick|2> thanks Connor. no other transformers around there \
[14:22:45] <Connor> eliminate as in temporarily replace with another one to make sure it's not a iissue
[14:22:53] <generic_nick|2> there is one for the monitor i suppose, but thats it
[14:23:02] <generic_nick|2> it's like a laptop oone
[14:23:10] <Connor> that could do it.. Flat screen? yea..
[14:23:38] <generic_nick|2> yes
[14:23:42] <generic_nick|2> hmm
[14:23:58] <generic_nick|2> the usb extension is running near there too
[14:24:13] <Connor> try moving it out of the way, or plugging it up across the room with extension cord into another outlet.
[14:24:46] <Connor> those things can take a power surge.. still work.. but blow filter caps and be a HUGE source of EMF
[14:25:14] <generic_nick|2> it probably got wet when i was cleaning my shop
[14:25:20] <generic_nick|2> you could be right
[14:25:31] <Connor> that could do it too. :)
[14:26:21] <generic_nick|2> ill check it out, thanks a lot Connor
[14:26:33] <Connor> hehe.. I had a Surge Protector plugged up.. and it had those surge protectors for the Dish/Cable TV...
[14:27:38] <Connor> the socket it was plugged into.. ended up getting the hot mains shorting to the metal box box it was in.. (older house).. it started sending 120v 60hz through the satellite dish.. I had a old
[14:27:57] <Connor> 17" CRT that started getting strange noise on it.. like 60hz noise..
[14:28:12] <Connor> and my satellite dish stopped working...
[14:28:21] <generic_nick|2> ha, weird
[14:28:44] <Connor> I went to work. and when I came home.. I noticed this little bit of smoke coming from the grounding block of the dish right at my roof..
[14:29:00] <Connor> I went to check it out and touched the ground wire got a shock..
[14:29:28] <Connor> tested it and got 120v...!!! damn think had spent all night and half the day arcing and started a small fire!!
[14:30:02] <Connor> THAT was scary..
[14:30:26] <generic_nick|2> lol damn!
[14:30:46] <Connor> oh after I removed the power.. my CRT went back to normal..
[14:31:19] <Connor> let me know if that fixes you KB issue..
[14:32:22] <generic_nick|2> will do man. working on making a new control pannel, so when i do that, ill move everything
[14:32:26] <generic_nick|2> thanks again
[14:46:52] <skroon> hi all
[14:47:14] <skroon> is there a desktop tool that I can have it load my gcode and simulate the paths the cnc will do?
[14:47:41] <cradek> linuxcnc does that - it shows you the path
[14:47:59] <cradek> you can run it in sim mode, with no hardware, on a standard OS install.
[14:48:28] <Connor> standard Linux OS install. :)
[14:48:56] <Connor> probably under a vm linux install too..
[14:49:21] <skroon> Connor: ow that's great
[14:50:03] <skroon> Connor: I did search for linuxcnc / emc / emc2 on ubuntu 12.04 didn't show up, so I thought perhaps you need special linux installation for it to run
[14:50:42] <cradek> the buildbot packages sim for ubuntu 12.04
[14:50:51] <Connor> You can download the SIM straight from builddot
[14:50:56] <Connor> err. buildbot
[14:51:27] <skroon> ok that's new to me, i'll look into what buildbot is,thanks
[14:51:38] <cradek> see buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[14:51:53] <skroon> thanks
[14:52:17] <cradek> you probably want 2.5 branch
[14:54:08] <skroon> great, i'm installing already :-)
[14:54:15] <skroon> yeah installing 2.5 indeed
[14:55:25] <skroon> up and running, that was fast! great job linuxcnc :)
[14:56:18] <skroon> now just need to pick a random machine configuration? or really try to get as close to the real deal?
[15:46:24] <skroon> cradek: you know which configuration I should choose during simulation?
[15:46:35] <skroon> i'm able to load some gcodes, but i'm not able to hit the "play" button
[15:46:46] <skroon> or perhaps, that's never possible in simulation mode?
[15:46:51] <cradek> sim/axis
[15:47:07] <cradek> elaborate on "not able to hit"
[15:48:09] <cradek> you should be able to run your code, if your simulated machine is enough like your real machine
[15:48:31] <cradek> bbl
[15:48:45] <Connor> Click the X, then the power button, Clcik Home All.. then you should be able to run the file
[15:48:47] <andypugh> All the sims need to be turned on and homed.
[15:49:27] <skroon> cradek: it's grayed out
[15:49:28] <andypugh> Also, many need to be jogged off the top limit and touched-off before any G-code will fit inside the envelope. I think this is a pity.
[15:49:49] <skroon> ahh ok let me try that right away
[15:50:33] <skroon> ah indeed, I needed thit the X , and home it :)
[15:52:36] <skroon> cool! thanks
[15:52:44] <skroon> it's awesome learning a bit more about gcodes this way :-)
[15:55:06] <Aero-Tec> right now I have my setup files set for one index per rev, and it is working
[15:55:45] <Aero-Tec> what do I need to change to add one phase and index
[15:56:31] <Aero-Tec> I will upgread to a full quadature later
[15:57:45] <skroon> what is like the cheapest, linuxcnc compatible machine?
[15:57:52] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[15:58:04] <ssi> off lease dell optiplex 755 is what I buy
[15:58:07] <ssi> they're $150
[15:58:12] <Connor> to run a cnc? Probably a Atom based machine
[15:58:26] <frallzor> atom is my vote too
[15:58:28] <PCW> you need a sensor, a free input pin and you need to wire the input pin to the encoder counter 'A' pin
[15:58:37] <skroon> sorry, I mean the CNC it self
[15:59:00] <ssi> there's no reas answer to that :P
[15:59:01] <Aero-Tec> here is the hal file http://pastebin.com/fdTFeREu
[15:59:10] <frallzor> any machine
[15:59:12] <ssi> cheapest one is one you cobble together out of crap you have lying around
[15:59:14] <skroon> about the computer though, it needs to have a parallel port right? are there still machines manufactured with a parallel port ? :)
[15:59:19] <Aero-Tec> do I need to post the INI file as well?
[15:59:58] <Connor> skroon: Intel Atom with standard VGA port.. and buy a PCI Parport card.
[16:00:15] <PCW> Yep there are new motherboards with parallel ports (and PCI/PCIE add-on cards)
[16:00:37] <PCW> many atom MBs have PPs
[16:00:41] <PCW> bbl
[16:00:45] <frallzor> most even
[16:00:48] <skroon> I heard there are even people running it off a raspberry pi, or what that be more of a hack then something really supported?
[16:00:54] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[16:01:09] <Connor> + parport PCI + Memory + SSD HD and a small PSU
[16:01:23] <Connor> skroon: I wouldn't do that right now..
[16:01:28] <Connor> way to early
[16:01:32] <ssi> Connor: doesn't that board you linked have a parport?
[16:01:34] <ssi> looks like it does
[16:01:42] <skroon> cool, I think I have an stom somewhere :-)
[16:01:55] <skroon> btw, I currently have an iModela CNC, which is USB though
[16:01:58] <Connor> It does. But, I always prefer to use a addon for a extra $12.00 for the added protection..
[16:02:14] <ssi> Connor: what do you use for breakout?
[16:02:16] <skroon> i'm able to send "gcodes" directly to the driver
[16:02:23] <Connor> Currently a C10
[16:02:26] <frallzor> iModela... controllerwise I say youre f*ked then
[16:02:36] <skroon> frallzor: why? :)
[16:02:38] <frallzor> better off just using the supplied software
[16:02:53] <Connor> I think he's planning on converting it..
[16:02:54] <skroon> frallzor: you mean iModela Controller software it self?
[16:03:15] <frallzor> yeah, why bother with emc for that =)
[16:03:21] <frallzor> seems to work as supposed
[16:03:30] <skroon> frallzor: right, so just feed it the gcode files directly right?
[16:03:42] <skroon> have you ever worked with an iModela as well?
[16:03:54] <frallzor> I assumed it just handles stl-files in the software
[16:04:31] <skroon> yeah thats euhmm Player software that comes with it indeed... I however currently want to use it purely for making pcb circuits
[16:04:41] <frallzor> ahh that would be nice
[16:06:24] <frallzor> cool, seems one can send g-code to it
[16:06:36] <skroon> basically what I tried was this:
[16:07:27] <skroon> cat test.ngc >/dev/usb/lp0
[16:07:39] <skroon> with some really simple gcode inside test.ngc
[16:07:42] <skroon> and that worked
[16:16:03] <ssi> so my thc is workng, sort of
[16:16:25] <ssi> it tracks the voltage well, but every move, it's like axis is losing account of the steps the thc moves the Z axis
[16:16:30] <ssi> so the home position gets lower and lower
[16:16:42] <ssi> and eventually it's trying to probe from so low that the switch is closed before the move
[16:16:46] <ssi> and the program faults
[16:18:09] <skroon> frallzor: but even if I would be able to send g-code to it like that, I won't be able to control it with emc right?
[16:18:45] <frallzor> I bet Roland use a special usb-protocol
[16:25:31] <Aero-Tec> got the lathe apart, making new encoder for it
[16:25:50] <Aero-Tec> can anyone here help with hal file?
[16:26:04] <Aero-Tec> also do I need to edit the INI file as well?
[16:37:49] <PetefromTn_>
[16:38:20] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: That all depends on what you are trying to do :-)
[16:47:23] <Aero-Tec> I have it setup for one index per rev, that has worked fine for feed per rev and other things I needed like RPM reading
[16:48:13] <Aero-Tec> but now I need to redo it for A channel of encoder, 20 ppr and a index input
[16:48:21] <andypugh> You may only need to change the encoder counter scaling to suit the new pulse count.
[16:48:54] <andypugh> (and re-wire HAL to split the A and Z phases)
[16:48:58] <Aero-Tec> need to rewire the ecoder and hook up the pport to the new input
[16:49:33] <Aero-Tec> does that nean I need to redo the INI file as well?
[16:49:49] <Aero-Tec> I knew hal needed work
[16:52:43] <GammaX-Shop> its amazing the places you can pick up free cnc stuff
[16:52:51] <GammaX-Shop> motors encoders... gears etc.
[16:54:51] <Aero-Tec> care to share?
[16:55:35] <Aero-Tec> I would think it would depend on where you live
[16:58:03] <GammaX-Shop> anyone know link to instructions on getting ps3 controller to work with linuxcnc?
[16:58:48] <andypugh> GammaX: Search the Wiki for SimpleRemotePendant
[16:59:03] <GammaX-Shop> thanks
[16:59:22] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: You may need to change the INI if the encoder scale is stored in the INI
[17:02:02] <PetefromTn_>
[17:07:14] <ssi> anyone have any thoughts on my thc goofyness?
[17:10:01] <Aero-Tec> can not see it in the INI, but not sure what I am looking for so could be wrong
[17:11:13] <Aero-Tec> this is in the hal file
[17:11:14] <Aero-Tec> setp encoder.0.position-scale 1.000000
[17:12:49] <GammaX-Shop> I followed the directions for usb joypad and it just crashes the program on start... any thoughts?
[17:12:49] <PetefromTn>
[17:15:56] <skunkworks> GammaX-Shop: need a bit more info.... If it crashed - it should tell you why.
[17:16:01] <GammaX-Shop> yes
[17:16:39] <GammaX-Shop> im tyring to sort through the info on wha tto give you...
[17:17:23] <GammaX-Shop> bunch of modules such as hal_lib does not exist in /proc/modules.
[17:18:11] <GammaX-Shop> same for rtapi, rtai_math, rtai_sem,rtai_fifos
[17:18:50] <GammaX-Shop> error inserting rtai_hal.ko -1 file exists
[17:22:42] <GammaX-Shop> skunkworks: any thoughts good sir?
[17:30:05] <JT-Shop> which instructions are you following
[17:30:46] <GammaX-Shop> JT-Shop: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[17:32:25] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop: can you look at this hal file?
[17:32:29] <Aero-Tec> here is the hal file http://pastebin.com/fdTFeREu
[17:32:57] <Aero-Tec> want to change so A channel has 20 ppr
[17:33:06] <Aero-Tec> and a index
[17:33:25] <Aero-Tec> right now it is 1 index only
[17:34:03] <ssi> JT-Shop: you see my thc problem in the backscroll?
[17:53:17] <r00t4rd3d> GammaX-Shop, http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/
[17:53:25] <r00t4rd3d> no need to screw with hal for a joystick
[17:54:33] <GammaX-Shop> nice!
[17:54:57] <GammaX-Shop> thanks
[17:56:04] <r00t4rd3d> i use that with a usb classic Nintendo controller
[17:57:38] <GammaX-Shop> lol
[17:57:41] <GammaX-Shop> awsome
[17:57:47] <GammaX-Shop> I got one of them for the roms
[17:58:02] <r00t4rd3d> thats what i do while i wait for cuts
[17:58:22] <r00t4rd3d> super mario bros or donkey kong
[17:59:42] <GammaX-Shop> yup!
[17:59:53] <GammaX-Shop> i got an n64 converter aswell for ocarina of time
[18:01:05] <andypugh> Nooooo! Keyboard emulation is a _horrible_ way to run a pendant.
[18:01:23] <r00t4rd3d> never had an issue with it andy
[18:01:36] <L84Supper> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/3783131731.html says it's a #143352 by Northern Tool, http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_7171_7171?isSearch=143352 but the chuck must be out
[18:01:49] <andypugh> I didn't say it won't work, but it's still horrible.
[18:02:17] <r00t4rd3d> if it works without issue, hard to say think its horrible.
[18:02:46] <r00t4rd3d> how is doing it through hal any safer?
[18:04:02] <andypugh> Because HAL is realtime, and guaranteed to be serviced. If your GUI freezes then the keyboard emulation will too, and may stick,
[18:04:29] <r00t4rd3d> and that cant happen with hal?
[18:04:31] <andypugh> (Also, no analogue jogging via keyboard emulation).
[18:05:20] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: It shouldn't happen with HAL Though as hal_input is a userspace component, there are ways that it probably could.
[18:05:59] <andypugh> ref recent reports of a completely frozen machine sucessfully finishing the machining if the part.
[18:07:27] <r00t4rd3d> how is my usb keyboard safe then to jog ?
[18:07:47] <r00t4rd3d> that isnt a hal component
[18:08:45] <r00t4rd3d> if i was holding down the arrow key and my gui froze, wouldnt i be in the same boat?
[18:12:45] <generic_nick|2> got my new control pannel wired and the bracket built. just gotta wire it to my mesa cards now!
[18:13:02] <generic_nick|2> hopefully the weird mpg works.
[18:13:53] <JT-Shop> must be solar flares today, I keep loosing my connection
[18:14:07] <generic_nick|2> ill have some configuring to do, with the touch screen ill have more pyvcp buttons
[18:14:10] <JT-Shop> dang sure ain't clouds or rain
[18:14:15] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Yes, quite. Keyboard emulation is just as bad as keyboard.
[18:14:36] <generic_nick|2> i'm not saying it's aliens JT-Shop, but it's aliens.
[18:15:30] <generic_nick|2> could be Obama hacking your system too.
[18:16:05] <r00t4rd3d> its the top quality service provider, earning your 100 bucks a month
[18:16:45] <andypugh> Right, time I went to snooze.
[18:16:48] <generic_nick|2> interweb is espensive.
[18:16:58] <generic_nick|2> adios andypugh
[18:18:19] <GammaX-Shop> well if keyboard emu is out... I need to figure this hal one out!
[18:19:02] <r00t4rd3d> its just as risky as using a usb keyboard to jog
[18:19:45] <r00t4rd3d> ive jogged my machine with qjoypad hundreds of times
[18:20:05] <JT-Shop> what is a qjoypad?
[18:20:22] <r00t4rd3d> maps joystick buttons and movement to keystrokes
[18:20:31] <JT-Shop> ah
[18:21:23] <GammaX-Shop> JT-Shop: any thoughts on my problem?
[18:21:23] <JT-Shop> ssi no, I've been out
[18:21:56] <JT-Shop> are you trying to use a ps2 joypad not a PC joypad?
[18:22:51] * JT-Shop listens to Iron Man
[18:23:49] <GammaX-Shop> yes. its a ps3 controller with usb reciever
[18:23:49] <GammaX-Shop> logitech type
[18:24:47] <JT-Shop> dunno if they work or not...
[18:25:38] <JT-Shop> my experiance is only with a PC joypad just like the one in the wiki page
[18:26:20] <Jymmm> thats what she said
[18:26:31] <JT-Shop> hi jymmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[18:26:43] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: how goes?
[18:27:31] <JT-Shop> busy, playing sometimes work gets in the way
[18:27:47] <JT-Shop> how about you?
[18:27:58] <GammaX-Shop> JT-Shop: well its still giving me those errors as stated above
[18:28:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Trying to stay out of trouble, sorta succeeding
[18:30:51] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: http://imagebin.org/257687 just finished these
[18:31:23] <JT-Shop> GammaX: did you verify that the ps2 joypad even works with a PC as shown in the start of the instructions?
[18:31:46] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Nice, you'll have to hit the sex toy conference in Vegas now =)
[18:32:33] <JT-Shop> going to the Sypders Owners Event in Maggie Vally
[18:32:49] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: maggie valley?
[18:32:56] <JT-Shop> NC
[18:33:01] <Jymmm> ah cool
[18:33:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: get ready to sweat you balls off!!!
[18:33:45] <JT-Shop> just purchased a trailer for the spyder in NC so I have to make a dash to pick it up next week
[18:33:59] <jdh> what's a spyder?
[18:34:02] <JT-Shop> at least I can get free lodging at my sisters
[18:34:03] <GammaX-Shop> JT-Shop: yes
[18:34:12] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: a trailer to tow behind the tric?
[18:34:32] <JT-Shop> yea, but it is a Spyder
[18:34:51] <Jymmm> three wheels right?
[18:34:54] <r00t4rd3d> jdh, old mans tricycle :)
[18:35:00] <JT-Shop> http://www.spyder.brp.com/home?__utma=1.1755468562.1365720590.1366119610.1368573642.4&__utmb=|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/forums/showthread.php&__utmv=-&__utmk=33707553
[18:35:06] <JT-Shop> wow what a link
[18:35:30] <jdh> a backwards tricycle?
[18:35:35] <JT-Shop> well no, a trike only has one front wheel and a spyder makes you a rock star LOL
[18:35:43] <Jymmm> tric
[18:35:59] <Jymmm> trike
[18:36:10] <JT-Shop> went to SpyderFest a few weeks ago and over 1200 Spyders showed up
[18:36:23] <Jymmm> BIG can of RAID!!!!
[18:36:32] <Tom_itx> how many home built?
[18:36:48] <JT-Shop> none
[18:36:55] <jdh> maggie valley is barely in .nc, should be pretty cool to cold there now.
[18:37:02] <Tom_itx> are you building one?
[18:37:11] <JT-Shop> the event is in the middle of June
[18:37:25] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: no, I gave up and sold that stuff
[18:37:30] <Tom_itx> oh
[18:37:35] <JT-Shop> no time or space to do it right
[18:37:36] <Tom_itx> can am the one to get?
[18:37:57] <JT-Shop> well... I thought so, for me
[18:38:25] <JT-Shop> it is a different community than Narleys
[18:38:26] <Tom_itx> mid june.. you're gonna miss the fest
[18:38:41] <JT-Shop> crap
[18:39:01] <JT-Shop> it is june 13, 14 and the Lamonster BBQ is the 15th
[18:39:10] <Tom_itx> 17-23 iirc
[18:39:25] <JT-Shop> that's the next week
[18:39:48] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3H8B_aW3ZQ
[18:39:49] <Tecan> (Y3H8B_aW3ZQ) "Jerry Clower The Coon Huntin' Monkey" by "Tora Kuma" is "Comedy" - Length: 0:02:55
[18:39:57] <GammaX-Shop> JT-Shop: when performing first test I get execv(hal_hoystick): no such file or directory
[18:40:03] <JT-Shop> might still make it
[18:40:17] <JT-Shop> that don't sound good
[18:41:07] <GammaX-Shop> I might know the issue
[18:41:16] <JT-Shop> GammaX: did you add each item one at a time?
[18:41:22] <JT-Shop> YEA!
[18:41:41] <GammaX-Shop> i might need to change js0 to something else.
[18:42:00] <JT-Shop> js0?
[18:42:08] <r00t4rd3d> did you find out what was binding up your axis ?
[18:42:30] <r00t4rd3d> too much cheese?
[18:42:54] <JT-Shop> so what did the coon hunting monkey do?
[18:43:16] <r00t4rd3d> got arrested for hate crimes
[18:43:30] <JT-Shop> different monkey
[18:44:49] <jdh> there is a special 3 wheel license?
[18:45:23] <JT-Shop> it varies by state
[18:45:37] <GammaX-Shop> no js0 is correct.
[18:45:59] <JT-Shop> the general rule is if you can stow your oxygen so you can breath you can drive one
[18:46:07] <jdh> heh
[18:47:04] <JT-Shop> they had one guy that is a paraplegic and carried a wheel chair on a custom rack
[18:47:17] <JT-Shop> it was amazing to see him mount and dismount the Spyder
[18:47:56] <JT-Shop> GammaX: does the loaduser line work?
[18:49:29] <GammaX-Shop> when i put that in I get the error of stdin :2: execv(hal_joystick): no such file or directory
[18:49:57] <GammaX-Shop> but my device is already in as js0 which is confirmed
[18:50:02] <ssi> JT-Shop: the thc is working, but on every pierce I lose some motion somewhere
[18:50:17] <ssi> JT-Shop: my Z home softlimit keeps getting lower and lower, and eventually it can't get high enough to pierce
[18:50:44] <ssi> JT-Shop: it's not the mechanicals losing motion, it's the thc component monkeying with the numbers somewhere I'm prretty sure
[18:50:47] <ssi> just not sure how to troubleshoot it
[18:51:36] <JT-Shop> ssi: are you making a Z move up to clear the offset after the cut?
[18:51:49] <ssi> probably not?
[18:52:00] <JT-Shop> yikes!
[18:52:08] <JT-Shop> you have to move up to remove any offset
[18:52:23] <ssi> anything in particular?
[18:52:23] <JT-Shop> I need to work on a manual entry :(
[18:52:27] <ssi> or can I just do a g0z0
[18:52:32] <JT-Shop> yep
[18:53:02] <GammaX-Shop> still gettin errors on start...
[18:53:20] <ssi> JT-Shop: should I put that in my sheetcam post?
[18:53:29] <ssi> I'm running your post
[18:53:43] <JT-Shop> it should move up iirc
[18:53:58] <JT-Shop> oh the clearance height is the key in sheetcam
[18:54:07] <JT-Shop> that makes it move up
[18:54:21] <ssi> hm ok
[18:54:32] <ssi> there's a G0 Z0.5 after every M5
[18:54:37] <ssi> I'm assuming that's the clearance height
[18:55:02] <JT-Shop> GammaX: do you have anything besides the loadrt line?
[18:55:12] <JT-Shop> sounds plausable
[18:55:34] <GammaX-Shop> i got the machine to come up...
[18:55:37] <GammaX-Shop> idk what i did
[18:56:24] <JT-Shop> can you see it in show hal configuration?
[18:59:30] <GammaX-Shop> I am able to see some of the input movements of it...
[18:59:50] <ssi> JT-Shop: so... I'm still not sure how to fix this
[18:59:54] <GammaX-Shop> if I press right on my dpad... btn-pinkie-not pops up.
[19:00:51] <JT-Shop> ssi monitor the cur_offset pin to see if it clears
[19:01:04] <JT-Shop> GammaX: sounds like your working then
[19:01:05] <ssi> any move makes it clear?
[19:01:22] <GammaX-Shop> JT-Shop: just trying to figure out how to get everything else working.
[19:01:51] <JT-Shop> Cocoa says "daddy take me out for a run"
[19:02:16] <JT-Shop> ssi: any positive Z move should clear it
[19:02:22] <JT-Shop> really quick
[19:02:22] <ssi> ok I'll see what I can do
[19:02:50] <JT-Shop> help me document what you find
[19:02:57] <ssi> ok
[19:08:04] <GammaX-Shop> JT-Shop: were you able to use the sticks? and not just buttons?
[19:21:59] <JT-Shop> GammaX: yep
[19:35:24] <ssi> ok I have no idea what's going on
[19:35:34] <ssi> when I touch off Z, it insists it's at -3
[19:35:39] <ssi> but i'm touching it off to 0
[19:35:43] <ssi> where is that offset coming from
[19:35:57] <ssi> thcud.cur-offset is always 0
[19:36:18] <generic_nick|2> yay, my mpg works
[19:37:55] <Tom_itx> makes life so much easier
[19:38:22] <generic_nick|2> the mpg?
[19:39:08] <generic_nick|2> i already had one, but i am changing the pendant out for a new control pannel with a mpg built in. it is a weird one that had no schematics, so i had to kind of guess
[19:39:44] <generic_nick|2> http://www.plccenter.co.uk/en-GB/Buy/RAPIDSYN%20DIVISION/23E6003FB
[19:40:17] <generic_nick|2> it was part of an old bandit control i had
[19:41:42] <generic_nick|2> i was going to make the axis selection and resolution selection a pyvcp button
[19:41:47] <generic_nick|2> using the touch screen
[19:42:31] <eric_unterhause1> ssi: is the ftdi interface worth getting? I always seem to fall back on the serial port on the beagleboardxm when I am setting them up
[19:42:33] <generic_nick|2> may not be the most reliable way, but i make the same parts all day long, so it isnt that big of a deal. i wont be using it much
[19:43:07] <Tom_itx> saves setup time
[19:45:53] <GammaX-Shop> wow my joystick is eratic as hell! lol
[19:45:57] <generic_nick|2> im just suprised it worked right off the bat. i got lucky with my guess on the wires
[19:46:08] <generic_nick|2> i didnt even know what voltage it operated at
[19:46:50] <PCW> good to start low...
[19:47:00] <generic_nick|2> i just used 5v
[19:47:44] <GammaX-Shop> my joypad makes my machine move without even touching the controlls lol
[19:47:50] <GammaX-Shop> or when I let it it just keeps going...
[19:48:16] <generic_nick|2> lol
[19:48:20] <PCW> maybe its clairvoyant
[19:48:21] <generic_nick|2> i try to avoid that
[19:49:21] <GammaX-Shop> oh the joy of this fun guy
[19:49:45] <generic_nick|2> i actually connected the +5v to the wrong wire at first (red with a black stripe, went to nothing) and it still somewhat worked
[19:50:00] <generic_nick|2> im guessing the little motor generated it's own voltage
[19:50:30] <PCW> 100 PPR?
[19:50:58] <generic_nick|2> no clue, from what i read online, it's a small stepper motor
[19:51:14] <generic_nick|2> they just rigged it up to work as an mpg
[19:51:39] <generic_nick|2> im guessing it's around 100ppr
[19:51:50] <generic_nick|2> doesnt feel much different than my original pendant
[19:52:12] <eric_unterhause1> I want to know how the commercial pendants get that nice click
[19:52:31] <generic_nick|2> i dont know, a retent of some sort?
[19:52:47] <generic_nick|2> i have a fanuc one as well
[19:52:56] <PCW> Thats funny, I had no idea that had been done commercially
[19:52:57] <PCW> Using a small step motor as a MPG was discussed on the linuxcnc users list years ago
[19:53:04] <ssi> eric_unterhause1: yes, it's worth having
[19:53:08] <Tom_itx> mechanical detents
[19:53:13] <eric_unterhause1> ssi: thanks
[19:53:15] <generic_nick|2> PCW: it is from an old bandit control
[19:54:10] <generic_nick|2> from the early 80's
[19:54:19] <generic_nick|2> maybe mid 80's
[19:54:31] <Tom_itx> eric_unterhause1, you can find out for about sixty bucks
[19:54:50] <PCW> interesting A stepmotor is a 2 phase generator (quadrature)
[19:54:51] <PCW> so a few comparators and you have a MPG
[19:55:11] <generic_nick|2> PCW: it seems to work fine
[19:55:38] <generic_nick|2> there's a bunch of resistors and a few chips of some sort on a pcb
[19:55:53] <generic_nick|2> it isnt ttl
[19:56:04] <PCW> only real disadvantage is that if you go slow enough (probably really really slow) it will not count
[19:56:29] <generic_nick|2> i can go check, brb
[19:56:54] <Valen> use an xbox controller ;->
[19:57:21] <generic_nick|2> PCW: works fine
[19:57:34] <generic_nick|2> i cant go slow enough to make it not work
[19:57:48] <PCW> so good enough
[19:57:53] <generic_nick|2> yep
[19:58:06] <Tom_itx> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mpgs/rotary-maunal-pulse-generator
[19:58:16] <generic_nick|2> PCW: http://www.plccenter.co.uk/en-GB/Buy/RAPIDSYN%20DIVISION/23E6003FB
[19:58:28] <Tom_itx> not much less from china direct
[19:59:02] <PCW> Yep they used a stepmotor for MPG
[19:59:02] <generic_nick|2> PCW: some other stuff i found online stated that it was a stepper motor
[19:59:33] <PCW> so if you need another just find a small step motor
[19:59:55] <generic_nick|2> PCW: if im not mistaken, it only has the detent feeling when it's powered on
[20:00:21] <PCW> it may have a little current to provide the detent
[20:00:27] <generic_nick|2> or at least i think it has more detent
[20:01:19] <generic_nick|2> that's what i was guessing
[20:01:29] <PCW> probably only takes a few 10s of mA to have a detectable effect
[20:01:29] <generic_nick|2> well cool
[20:01:39] <generic_nick|2> yea
[20:01:49] <generic_nick|2> it's definitely noticable
[20:02:37] <generic_nick|2> works 1 click at a time, no problem
[20:03:23] <generic_nick|2> cool, now i can take my fanuc pendant and put it on my lathe
[20:03:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AXIS-CNC-Pendant-with-100-MPG-JOG-encoder-/260839954317?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbb45d78d
[20:04:24] <r00t4rd3d> a reason to buy a mesa card!
[20:04:45] <PCW> Who needs a reason?
[20:05:01] <generic_nick|2> i bet you can find a real pentant for less than that
[20:05:08] <generic_nick|2> one not made in china i mean.
[20:05:18] <generic_nick|2> i got my fanuc one for $50
[20:05:46] <PCW> night all
[20:05:51] <generic_nick|2> goodnight
[20:06:34] <generic_nick|2> ok im going back to the mill to finish wiring up my buttons
[20:17:34] <r00t4rd3d> think im gonna go cut something
[20:18:31] <Valen> hmm 60Nm 1.5Kw motors..... tempting ;->
[20:40:14] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/140183
[20:43:28] <Tom_itx> heh
[20:44:27] <skunkworks> none of the above? ;)
[20:44:41] <Tom_itx> maybe you should reply to him
[20:46:04] <skunkworks> No.. Or I would be replying to all the threads on there..... 'In linuxcnc you can....'
[20:46:22] <skunkworks> 'If you used linuxcnc....)
[20:47:09] <skunkworks> I think I would be banned quite quickly
[20:47:49] <Tom_itx> i suppose
[20:48:06] <Tom_itx> might make him step up his game
[20:48:16] <Tom_itx> probably not
[21:15:12] <eric_unterhause1> such as been the arc of all commercial low-cost cnc software so far
[21:21:01] <generic_nick|2> linuxcnc is too complicated to be a threat to Mach IMO
[21:22:11] <generic_nick|2> for normal people like me anyways
[21:22:48] <generic_nick|2> i use linux because i didnt think i could do what i needed to do with mach
[21:25:06] <Aero-Tec> does the index need to be timed with anything?
[21:25:08] <Tom_itx> you got the best support possible right here though
[21:25:59] <Aero-Tec> like does the index have to trigger at the same time as one of the other channels?
[21:26:00] <Tom_itx> i think of it as versatile not complicated
[21:26:24] <Aero-Tec> want to make sure I get this encoder right
[21:26:37] <Tom_itx> is it on the same wheel as the quadrature?
[21:27:12] <Aero-Tec> same wheel, not quadrature
[21:27:28] <Aero-Tec> just simple channel A and index
[21:28:18] <pcw_home> probably best that its the same (longer) slot so theres no count uncertainty
[21:31:05] <t12> any german speakers? I have a german datasheet that lists a pin as 'gebersignal'
[21:33:23] <skunkworks> t12 https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#auto/en/gebersignal
[21:33:25] <t12> or i could you google i guess heh
[21:33:29] <Tom_itx> encoder signal
[21:33:53] <t12> trying to wire a turbopump up
[21:34:08] <t12> apparently there are multiple undocumented varieties of this pump
[21:35:56] <t12> i think i'm going to be stuck with scoping off the controller and try to get it to start
[21:48:30] <skunkworks> turbopump?
[21:49:43] <jdh> like a vacuum turbo pump? alcatel?
[22:00:41] <PetefromTn> Well fellas...
[22:00:42] <t12> yeah vacuum
[22:00:43] <t12> for a mass spec
[22:01:03] <PetefromTn> I managed to FINALLY run a part on the Cincinatti Arrow 500 retrofit tonight...
[22:01:07] <t12> leybold tw 220/170
[22:02:04] <jdh> plug the pump in to the controller, pump down the fore line, spin up the turbo
[22:02:27] <t12> the pinning on the controller and the pump arent compatable
[22:02:39] <t12> this is all oem on a mass spec
[22:02:46] <t12> the orig turbo failed, swapped it out with a turbo repair shop
[22:03:00] <generic_nick|2> congrats PetefromTn
[22:03:00] <t12> the new turbo while the same mechancial thing appears to be wired differently
[22:03:16] <jdh> did they give you a new controller with it?
[22:03:27] <t12> disturbingly the motor phases show no resistance
[22:03:30] <t12> dont know what to think of that
[22:03:39] <PetefromTn> Thanks man I am TRYING to upload a couple pictures and a video of the run to my photobucket account.
[22:03:42] <t12> i'll prolly scope it and manually spin the blades and see if i get signal
[22:03:49] <t12> neg no new controlle
[22:03:50] <t12> r
[22:03:57] <t12> i tried it with an alternative controller and still didnt work
[22:04:13] <jdh> they generally won't spin up at 1 ata
[22:04:22] <t12> i did it under roughing
[22:04:27] <t12> it doesnt id the pump
[22:04:31] <t12> it doesnt even start to try
[22:04:58] <t12> the controllers are alive though, tested on other equipment and the leybold service stuff can talk to it correctly via rs485
[22:05:21] <t12> i have the pinouts for the controller, leybold amazingly send me pdfs for that
[22:05:28] <t12> but there arent pinouts for the motor
[22:05:45] <t12> which i have pretty much worked out now, except theres a few leads that dont make sense
[22:06:01] <t12> i'm assuming one of them is a rpm counter
[22:06:09] <jdh> should be a tach or an 'at-rpm' signal
[22:06:25] <t12> the pinouts list an rx and tx
[22:06:37] <t12> however i'm pretty sure these old pumps id themselves to controller by a resistance across two pins
[22:06:48] <t12> which is present on the motor board
[22:07:01] <t12> so i'm assuming tx and rx may actually be those resistor leads
[22:07:17] <jdh> odd context for tx/rx
[22:07:18] <t12> i dont think theres any logic in the motor, I'm hesitant to take it apart further
[22:07:21] <t12> agree
[22:07:38] <jdh> we have alcatel pumps, alcatel controllers... plug them in and they work.
[22:08:14] <t12> that seems to be the case with most turbos
[22:08:27] <t12> also random controllers seem to support random pumps
[22:08:36] <t12> there just seem to be some tuning paramters per pump
[22:08:50] <t12> i think mainly about rampup speed, max rpm, etc
[22:09:17] <t12> i think this is just goofy cause they're custom pumps just for a series of mass specs
[22:09:20] <PetefromTn> Anyone making anything interesting?
[22:09:29] <t12> two stages, different flows/vacuum at each stage
[22:09:32] <t12> also its huge
[22:09:46] <t12> http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~craigim/pdfmanuals/manuals/ga051401.pdf
[22:09:49] <jdh> Pete: I drilled and tapped two holes for jig!
[22:11:10] <generic_nick|2> ok i should know this... but how do i make a button toggle something on and off in classicladder?
[22:11:16] <PetefromTn> jdh: Oh yeah..
[22:11:24] <generic_nick|2> the toggle function?
[22:11:33] <PetefromTn> Well Like I said I made my VERY FIRST PART TODAY!! However I screwed it up, my fault.
[22:12:17] <PetefromTn> It is actually still usable and should work fine for my uses but I was kinda dissapointed.
[22:12:45] <PetefromTn> It has been so damn long since I actually desinged a part, cammed it up, and put the tools to it that I forgot a few things LOL
[22:13:39] <jdh> I mis-cammed my part so I just did the jig via MDI.
[22:14:23] <PetefromTn> Yeah I made the part I am loading pictures to that I posted the screenshot of the Sheetcam job on my photobucket account the other day.
[22:14:47] <PetefromTn> I INTENDED to do a nice finish and Champfer pass but forgot that you gotta HOLD THE DAMN PART DOWN to do that.
[22:15:04] <jdh> that's what my jig is for
[22:15:34] <PetefromTn> I needed to put a roughing pass that was not thru the part and THEN run the champfer pass followed by installing the hold down screws I machined holes for.
[22:15:38] <jdh> t12: what are you mass-spec'ing?
[22:15:55] <PetefromTn> Then I could go ahead and make the finish pass to part off....
[22:16:03] <PetefromTn> What are you making?
[22:16:56] <t12> nothing in particular
[22:17:00] <t12> i got the machine scrap from work
[22:17:15] <jdh> a 360-degree pin wrench for taking apart scuba regulators
[22:17:15] <t12> uncle howard give it away
[22:17:31] <PetefromTn> like a pin spanner?
[22:17:35] <t12> so been slowly trying to get it working again
[22:17:43] <jdh> cool. We had a pair of ones, the vendor took them as trade in.
[22:17:52] <PetefromTn> t12: what kinda machine?
[22:17:53] <jdh> Pete: yeah, but the plain spanners don't hold well
[22:18:07] <PetefromTn> Cool got a pic?
[22:18:16] <t12> api 2000 triple quad
[22:18:41] <t12> theres alot of mass specs at work
[22:18:50] <t12> but getting anyone to let you fuck with them is very difficult
[22:18:52] <t12> until they give them away
[22:19:07] <t12> theres a whole maldi they're going to scrap soon but its too much of a pita do deal with and they want it out of the place
[22:19:19] <PetefromTn> jeez a spectrometer?
[22:19:25] <t12> so might just strip all the vacuum and laser and stage stuff off before they salvage it
[22:19:29] <jdh> pete: http://www.artichoke.org/apeksspanner.pdf
[22:19:33] <PetefromTn> thats like the ultimate toy...
[22:19:37] <t12> haha
[22:19:38] <t12> yeah
[22:19:46] <t12> now i just need an ftir and a small nmr
[22:19:52] <t12> and i got my forensics lab heh
[22:20:05] <PetefromTn> forensics huh...
[22:20:08] <jdh> mine only do helium
[22:20:20] <PetefromTn> jdh: that looks pretty straightforward man...nice
[22:20:37] <jdh> Pete: yeah, just hold-down problems.
[22:20:53] <PetefromTn> I'll post the link just as soon as the damn video loads to photobucket.
[22:21:07] <jdh> so I put holes in the handle for that. But, I had an offset in the CAM
[22:21:33] <PetefromTn> offset for what?
[22:22:07] <jdh> when I pulled the .dwg into the CAM, the origin wasn't set correctly
[22:22:19] <PetefromTn> Im starting to wonder if this video is ever gonna finish loading.
[22:22:27] <PetefromTn> Oh okay... that sucks.
[22:22:45] <PetefromTn> Didja make a subfixture for that?
[22:23:37] <jdh> if you call a piece of .5x.5 aluminum with two holes a subfixture
[22:23:42] <PetefromTn> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/library/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit?sort=3&page=1
[22:23:59] <PetefromTn> here is the link so you can see the part while the video loads up...
[22:24:08] <PetefromTn> first three pictures.
[22:25:05] <PetefromTn> Oh hey the video just popped up!
[22:25:25] <jdh> what is it? tooling holder holder?
[22:25:36] <ssi> any G0704 folks that are on, tell me about your spindle motor setup
[22:25:59] <jdh> ssi: stock motor/controller + pwm speed control
[22:26:14] <PetefromTn> jdh: it is a fixture that holds the Cat40 tooling securely so you can wrench on them without having them pull out and slice your damn hand off with a cutter or wrench.
[22:26:34] <jdh> why the curves?
[22:26:44] <jdh> not that curves aren't cool
[22:27:02] <PetefromTn> It is a copy of this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOdlYAVhX7o
[22:27:03] <Tecan> (KOdlYAVhX7o) "Pro Tooling Fixture.m2t" by "sgord521" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:27
[22:27:22] <PetefromTn> Why not? I mean it's CNC so we can make it however we want.
[22:28:01] <jdh> oh, it looks better mounted... just looked awkward in the vise
[22:29:20] <PetefromTn_>
[22:29:24] <PetefromTn_> hello?
[22:29:25] <jdh> heh, it's surprisingly close to my wrench. The drawing doesn't show the slot/clamp-bolt
[22:29:46] <PetefromTn_> you are talking about my fixture?
[22:29:50] <jdh> yep
[22:30:00] <PetefromTn_> okay just got bumped off for a minute there...
[22:30:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah I suppose it does.
[22:30:17] <PetefromTn_> did you get that link I posted about the original
[22:30:24] <jdh> yeah
[22:30:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah I kinda reverse engineered it via youtube LOL
[22:31:09] <PetefromTn_> Really wanted it to have a nice finish and a champfered edge everywhere like the original but I screwed up and could not hold it down anymore.
[22:31:20] <ssi> jdh: it's working out for you?
[22:31:24] <ssi> I ripped all the electronics out :P
[22:31:35] <ssi> I have a 3ph 1hp motor for it, but I dunno how I'm gonna drive it just yet
[22:31:49] <jdh> yeah, it stalled the other day though. I wasn't pushing it that hard. Snapped a 1/4" HSS endmill
[22:32:08] <PetefromTn_>
[22:32:22] <PetefromTn_> damn I keep getting bumped off line here..
[22:33:00] <generic_nick|2> yay, most of my buttons work. i just need to figure out how to get the run button working
[22:33:12] <PetefromTn_> Anyways, I needed some kinda fixture for the Cat tooling and I also needed a project to test the machine with so I came up with this one...LOL
[22:33:21] <PetefromTn_> generic_nick|2: nice work man.
[22:33:24] <ssi> PetefromTn_: it's a good first project
[22:33:43] <generic_nick|2> thanks. you too, part looks good
[22:33:50] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I think so. Simple yet USEFUL
[22:34:00] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I wish it did LOL...
[22:34:15] <PetefromTn_> It COULDA looked good If I had thought it thru better before I hit the big green button.
[22:34:20] <ssi> :)
[22:34:35] <PetefromTn_> It will work tho and I still have to machine the clamp bolt area.
[22:34:38] <ssi> hardest part of cnc is thinking through everytihng the first time around :)
[22:34:56] <PetefromTn_> I think I can actually machine off some of the bad chatter in that area when I do it to hide the screwup.
[22:35:06] <PetefromTn_> ssi: sure is man...
[22:35:07] <generic_nick|2> how did you configure your run button? did you have to link the button to put it in auto mode as well?
[22:35:15] <ssi> haha I read an amazing quote today
[22:35:37] <ssi> "the 2 hardest things in software engineering are cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors"
[22:36:08] <generic_nick|2> lol
[22:36:11] <PetefromTn_> I am thinking about making one of these too... I need one and it should be another good test run.
[22:36:15] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGJqMiF31w
[22:36:16] <Tecan> (qXGJqMiF31w) "Pro Touch Off Gage.m2t" by "sgord521" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:09
[22:36:37] <ssi> PetefromTn_: make me one while you're at it :D
[22:36:46] <jdh> make an electoronic one
[22:36:47] <ssi> the beauty of cnc, right? :D
[22:37:02] <ssi> I have their pro-tram gizmo
[22:37:12] <jdh> me too, never used it
[22:37:13] <ssi> I intentionally was gonna make one, but it's an annoying part to make manually
[22:37:17] <ssi> so I finally broke down and bought it
[22:37:20] <ssi> I used it once :P
[22:38:06] <jdh> my current tram was done with a face mill and a block of aluminum
[22:38:29] <Valen> the best tram we did on our mill was done by eye with a rubber mallet
[22:38:38] <Valen> ssi: lol
[22:41:22] <PetefromTn>
[22:41:34] <PetefromTn> Damn I keep getting kicked off.
[22:41:40] <ssi> stahp
[22:41:56] <PetefromTn> where were we?
[22:42:12] <ssi> you were just agreeing to make me a touchoff fixture when you do your production run :D
[22:42:44] <PetefromTn> LOL... Yeah man I would make you one if you want. Have not even drawn anything yet but I need to.
[22:43:05] <PetefromTn> Making an electronic one is actually a good idea as I was asking about a table mounted one the other day.
[22:43:10] <ssi> yea
[22:43:23] <ssi> I need to get my hardinge running so I can mass produce TTS holders
[22:43:30] <PetefromTn> I cannot decide what to do..
[22:43:45] <PetefromTn> LOL that would actually be a money maker if you could do it cheap enough..
[22:43:55] <Connor> Hey PetefromTn
[22:43:56] <ssi> well mine wouldn't be hardened/ground
[22:44:06] <PetefromTn> I am supposed to be gettting my new vise tomorrow...
[22:44:13] <ssi> Connor: what kind of spindle motor setup do you have on your 704?
[22:44:15] <PetefromTn> Connor: hey man how ya been..
[22:44:26] <Connor> PetefromTn: Doing good.. sorry I missed your call..
[22:44:50] <PetefromTn> No worries man... I was just gonna whine to you about how much I don't know jack about linuxCNC
[22:44:57] <eric_unterhause1> someone sells a nmtb30 taper spindle for the larger mill drills, I want to know if it works in the 704
[22:45:03] <Connor> ssi Using a Treadmill motor with a kbcc-225R
[22:45:06] <PetefromTn> Checkout my photobucket page dude..
[22:45:09] <ssi> gotcha
[22:45:15] <ssi> belt drive?
[22:45:21] <Connor> 1:1
[22:45:22] <Connor> yea
[22:45:32] <ssi> got any pics of the belt setup?
[22:45:50] <Connor> not yet.. It's Hoss's plans.
[22:46:00] <ssi> I have his plans, but I need to find them
[22:46:27] <PetefromTn> Did someone say they had the pro tram model?
[22:46:47] <Connor> PetefromTn: I have one that I made.. :)
[22:46:51] <ssi> found the email
[22:46:53] <ssi> PetefromTn: I do
[22:46:59] <PetefromTn> How ya like it?
[22:46:59] <ssi> I can dimension it for you if you want
[22:47:03] <ssi> it's fine
[22:47:06] <ssi> I've used it once
[22:47:06] <ssi> heh
[22:47:08] <PetefromTn> Please do LOL...
[22:47:26] <PetefromTn> That is the kinda tool that you actually do only use once in awhile.
[22:47:52] <ssi> yea
[22:47:53] <PetefromTn> Connor: How ya like yours?
[22:48:17] <Connor> It works.
[22:48:19] <PetefromTn> my machine ran pretty good today but I still have some things to sort out...
[22:48:25] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, you gonna use a slitting saw for the clamp side of your cat40 holder?
[22:48:28] <ssi> apparently the plans I got from hoss don't include belt drive spindle plans :/
[22:48:34] <Connor> Mot as nice as Pro Trams.. but.. it does the job.
[22:48:51] <Connor> ssi: No, you have to order them seperate.
[22:48:57] <ssi> yea that's what I thought
[22:49:02] <ssi> i just want to see a picture of how it works
[22:49:12] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: actually no if you look at the pictures it is already slotted with an 1/8 inch martiool 3 flute endmill.
[22:49:24] <Tom_itx> didn't look at them all
[22:49:42] <PetefromTn> Honestly did not look to see if you can see it LOL
[22:50:09] <Connor> http://www.g0704.com/Projects.html#1100
[22:50:14] <Connor> see if you can tell from that.
[22:50:18] <PetefromTn> yeah I think you can see it in the first picture.
[22:51:13] <ssi> I have a 3ph 1hp motor
[22:51:29] <ssi> Connor: did you make the pulleys?
[22:51:29] <PetefromTn> DUnno why the videos I take from my Cell phone have that vertical letterbox look...
[22:51:38] <ssi> PetefromTn: turn your phone sideways?
[22:51:49] <Connor> PetefromTn: Turn your phone sideways
[22:51:52] <PetefromTn> LOL it doesn't matter..
[22:52:02] <PetefromTn> It still makes the lines like that.
[22:52:08] <Tom_itx> yeah we started running a radius cutter or a 45 deg cutter on some jobs to shorten debur time
[22:52:09] <PetefromTn> At least I think it does.
[22:52:34] <jdh> how do you CAM the radius/chamfer ?
[22:52:47] <Tom_itx> consistently :)
[22:52:57] <Tom_itx> i used the small diameter on the radius cutter
[22:53:25] <Tom_itx> then measure up from the base of the tool to the top of the diameter
[22:53:29] <Connor> I'm getting really bad finish on my mill..
[22:53:40] <jdh> and just said it was <whatever diameter> ?
[22:53:44] <Tom_itx> that will get you the cutter depth
[22:53:46] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:53:50] <Connor> not sure what the deal is.. could be vibration from the pulleys
[22:53:57] <Tom_itx> it wouldn't look right on the preview but we knew that
[22:54:16] <Tom_itx> the 45 you kinda guess on unless you wanna to the math
[22:54:46] <PetefromTn> I usually just draw a quick cad drawing of the cutter profile to determine what I need...
[22:54:52] <Connor> PetefromTn: Looks like your part came out pretty good
[22:54:53] <Tom_itx> you don't wanna cut right near the tip of it..
[22:55:10] <PetefromTn> Connor: is it the pulleys you are redoing?
[22:55:18] <Connor> Yea.
[22:55:19] <PetefromTn> Connor: Thanks man... I screwed it up tho..
[22:55:32] <ssi> Connor: wanna make me a set while you're at it? :D
[22:55:51] <Connor> Probably not as bad as my PDB parts and my motor mount.
[22:56:03] <PetefromTn> I did not have sufficient hold down on it and then when I went to machine the champfer and the finish pass I had to put the screws in there so I had to stop the program.
[22:56:22] <PetefromTn> ssi: He is using some timing pulleys that are machined to fit.
[22:56:25] <ssi> aha
[22:56:30] <ssi> Connor: what pulleys are you starting with?
[22:57:34] <PetefromTn> I also made the hole .002 over the size of the average of the four or five holders I have here and I should have made it a little larger.
[22:57:56] <PetefromTn> You kinda have to push it down in there just a tiny bit when it should just drop in and clamp down.
[22:58:02] <Connor> QPMLA75021F12 and QPELA75021F16 from QUALITY TRANSMISSION COMPONENTS
[22:58:21] <PetefromTn> I may try to tweak it a tad when I bolt it down to the table so that it is sprun a tiny bit and then use the clamp to lock it down.
[22:58:34] <Tom_itx> jdh, i also did one with a 7 deg cutter and basically used the tip of the tool as the programmed diameter
[22:58:46] <Tom_itx> was a relief for a casting
[22:59:47] <Connor> PetefromTn: Mount it to the table? Is it for setting up the end mills in the holders ?
[23:00:02] <ssi> prices are reasonable
[23:00:12] <Connor> and you need a belt.
[23:00:17] <ssi> that's easy enough
[23:00:24] <PetefromTn> yeah man it is for clamping the toolholders so they cannot slip while you monkey on them with the wrench.
[23:00:48] <PetefromTn> Check out the video of the pro-tools cat40 fixture I posted earlier to see how it works.
[23:01:06] <ssi> I need to measure the shaft on the motor and the spindle
[23:01:07] <Connor> A 6R 4-041075
[23:01:08] <Connor> or A 6R 4-042075 from SDP-SI.. QTC probably has them too..
[23:01:12] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOdlYAVhX7o&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[23:01:15] <ssi> and see if I can divine the speed of the motor
[23:01:42] <Connor> Oh. You copied program
[23:01:46] <Connor> er pro gtram
[23:01:53] <Connor> DAMN IT.. PRO TRAM!!
[23:01:58] <ssi> Connor: how fast do you run your spindle?
[23:02:05] <Connor> 6500RPM
[23:02:08] <ssi> wow
[23:02:19] <Tom_itx> does it get hot?
[23:02:21] <PetefromTn> yeah I kinda reverse engineered it from that video.
[23:02:33] <Connor> Not that bad when I was running the break-in
[23:02:34] <ssi> PetefromTn: what do you cad in?
[23:02:45] <ssi> PetefromTn: I'll draw up that protram in solidworks likely
[23:02:47] <PetefromTn> I drew it in Draftsight....
[23:03:00] <PetefromTn> just 2.5D
[23:03:10] <PetefromTn> I am too poor yet to afford real 3d cad cam
[23:03:17] <Tom_itx> you should carve your logo on it
[23:04:08] <PetefromTn> I gotta say that I lost power during the run and was really pleased that the Cincinatti control not only was able to get right back exactly to the same spot but the fixture offset was still in there and the homing is VERY precise...
[23:04:30] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: LOL man I thought about it but I sold all my engraving bits with the RF45...
[23:04:44] <Tom_itx> i need to get a couple
[23:04:49] <Connor> PC loose power too ?
[23:04:57] <Tom_itx> i was gonna make some from some half round drills
[23:04:58] <PetefromTn> Everything...
[23:05:16] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: I have heard you can make simple D bits that way, never tried it tho..
[23:05:18] <Connor> I want to put a UPS on my PC
[23:05:53] <Tom_itx> i'll have to see if i can find some short ones
[23:05:59] <Tom_itx> usually half round are fairly long
[23:06:14] <PetefromTn> Well the machine just shutoff and the spindle coasted to a stop and the Z axis brake took care of the millhead. At first I was pretty upset thinking I screwed my part upbut then I was like hey it did not destroy it LOL
[23:06:32] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: make me sum...LOL
[23:07:13] <Tom_itx> my grinder isn't that good to be really precise
[23:07:14] <PetefromTn> It sure is nice to know that IF I lose power somehow I am probably gonna be okay and just have to restart and rehome and get back to it.
[23:07:19] <Connor> When I was milling out my lift plate for the PDB.. I had a issue.. I had some chip welding.. and my table stalled..
[23:07:42] <PetefromTn> Connor: that sucks... I hate that.
[23:07:58] <PetefromTn> Gotta say that the Coolant flow from the Cincinatti kicks butt!
[23:08:17] <PetefromTn> When the program stops there are NO chips on the part anywhere LOL..
[23:08:24] <Connor> I hit the ESTOP.. and re-homed everything.. and then started back up.. managed to save the part.. I need to get my home switches on this thing.. Only have the X done.. and I need adjust it...
[23:08:45] <PetefromTn> Homes can save your bacon.
[23:09:09] <Connor> I'm going to have to make some sort of shields or something so I can use coolant..
[23:09:18] <PetefromTn> My spindle is still loud tho... Not sure what the hell is wrong with it.
[23:09:24] <generic_nick|2> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/8740561766_d6427de639_c.jpg
[23:09:30] <Connor> What do you mean ?
[23:09:32] <PetefromTn> Connor: I thought you were gonna make a full enclosure.
[23:09:35] <generic_nick|2> got the control pannel all working
[23:09:50] <generic_nick|2> just gotta calibrate the touch screen
[23:09:54] <Connor> I want to.. but.. I figure I can make some shields pretty easy till I can make the enclosure.
[23:10:08] <Tom_itx> generic_nick|2, nice
[23:10:09] <PetefromTn> generic_nick|2: Hey man that looks pretty sweet.
[23:10:19] <generic_nick|2> thanks
[23:10:23] <PetefromTn> Connor: did you watch my video?
[23:10:30] <Connor> Yea. Looking at it again.
[23:10:33] <generic_nick|2> the arm is a little ghetto, but i didnt have a ton of time
[23:10:42] <PetefromTn> Whadya setup the buttons with on it?
[23:11:13] <generic_nick|2> e-stop, coolant, run, pause, resume
[23:11:16] <Tom_itx> i could add a couple more to my pendant
[23:11:22] <generic_nick|2> the only ones i ever use
[23:11:44] <PetefromTn> I was kinda surprised that you cannot turn off the spindle or coolant when paused..
[23:12:04] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: i can turn the coolant on and off whenever i want
[23:12:23] <generic_nick|2> i did my coolant config in classicladder
[23:12:30] <Tom_itx> a button to set the current tool z offset would be handy at the pendant
[23:13:16] <generic_nick|2> i can override the program too. so if i forget to program an m8, i can still hit the coolant button and turn it on. or off. and the program still turns the coolant off when the program ends so i dontt have to
[23:13:39] <Connor> PetefromTn Your WiFi having issues ?
[23:13:41] <PetefromTn_> he
[23:13:53] <Valen> crap how did it become 2:00?
[23:14:02] <PetefromTn_> Dunno I just keep getting bumped off. The internet does not seem to lose it tho...
[23:14:05] <Tom_itx> heh
[23:14:23] <Connor> Might be the IRC node your on.
[23:14:29] <PetefromTn_> Can I fix that?
[23:14:36] <Connor> It's random.
[23:14:55] <PetefromTn_> Well I keep having to close Quassel and reopen.
[23:16:09] <PetefromTn_> I was just looking at those pics I posted. I am not happy with the finish on them. That was a rough pass and as I said there was a lot of vibration. The finish inside the holes that were made
[23:16:20] <PetefromTn_> before the part cutoff is mUCH nicer
[23:16:39] <PetefromTn_> are you guys hearing me LOL?
[23:16:44] <Connor> You leave tabs or something ?
[23:17:16] <Tom_itx> program holddown tabs and on the last pass cut them down to .005" and peel the part off
[23:17:37] <PetefromTn_> No I SHOULD have left tabs but I was thinking I could just mill the part inside and then screw it down. However I forget the champfer part and could not champfer because I had to put the screws into the champfered holes
[23:17:59] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: Yeah that Is the way I normally do things but I screwed this one up LL
[23:18:21] <PetefromTn_> Like I said it may not look that great but it will certainly work for me.
[23:18:56] <PetefromTn_> I may actually try it again and make another one because I can make it to mount to a block on my surface plate and do some offline measurement of my tooling.
[23:19:33] <PetefromTn_> I also like to make a nice vise stop soon for the new vise.
[23:19:50] <Connor> I made one.
[23:19:54] <Connor> using 80/20
[23:20:03] <Connor> Oh. Can you tram that beast ?
[23:20:22] <PetefromTn_> you talking to me?
[23:20:26] <Connor> Yea.
[23:20:41] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I dunno, Gotta read the manual I guess LOL
[23:21:01] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine there must be a way somehow but never seen it done
[23:21:18] <PetefromTn_> you made a vise stop using 8020?
[23:21:24] <Connor> Yup.
[23:22:04] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvpjLv_R0zU
[23:22:05] <Tecan> (kvpjLv_R0zU) "Pro Stop vise stop / work stop for CNC milling machine" by "EdgeTechnology1" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:15
[23:22:39] <Connor> Let me see if I can find a picture of it.
[23:24:02] <PetefromTn_> Funny how you see the part I made at the beginning of that video and you can see how they machined it using a vise fixture.
[23:24:15] <PetefromTn_> I should have made it that way myself...sigh
[23:24:22] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachments/benchtop_machines/149253d1325469195-connors_g0704-vice-endstop1.jpg
[23:24:29] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachments/benchtop_machines/149254d1325469195-connors_g0704-vice-endstop2.jpg
[23:24:38] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachments/benchtop_machines/149255d1325469195-connors_g0704-vice-endstop3.jpg
[23:24:40] <ssi> Connor: so did you bore out one of those qtc pulleys to the almost 1" of the spindle body?
[23:25:20] <Connor> ssi Yea.. Specific profile.. it fits over the top.. and uses 4 set screws into splines
[23:25:25] <Connor> kinda a pain in the ass.
[23:25:37] <ssi> hm
[23:25:47] <ssi> you cut the spline profile on the cnc mill?
[23:25:53] <Connor> No.
[23:26:17] <Connor> Just bore it out.. and the 4 set screws interface with it.
[23:26:20] <ssi> I see
[23:26:33] <ssi> there's like a steel cylinder on the spindle; I guess covering the splines
[23:26:42] <ssi> and I guess you lose the ability to run the quill at all with the belt conversion, huh
[23:26:48] <Connor> the key is getting the bottom part (where the RPM disk is) cut correctly in the pulley
[23:26:52] <PetefromTn_> Those pics arent loading for some reason..probably the zone.
[23:27:14] <Connor> ssi he has one version that you don't.. you make a extension..
[23:27:18] <Connor> I didn't bother..
[23:27:20] <ssi> I see
[23:27:39] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Hmm.. They should.. load fine for me.. I can re-post them someplace else.
[23:27:40] <ssi> maybe I oughta just buy his other plans
[23:27:52] <ssi> I hate to though... I didn't use any of the plans I bought for the main conversion
[23:28:05] <ssi> here's my X reduction btw, got it done earlier
[23:28:06] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR1ZaVCcAAQ_7t.jpg:large
[23:28:46] <Connor> oh geez.. you have to be logged into the zone.
[23:29:11] <PetefromTn_> Funny I have had NOTHING but trouble from the CNCzone website. After I started having a bunch of trouble I was kinda bitching about it on the forum and I am starting to wonder if he is blocking my account or somehting
[23:29:19] <ssi> I mostly don't like cnczone :P
[23:29:53] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I am feeling the same way. At least the last year or so.
[23:30:24] <PetefromTn_> Damn tons of flicking ads and stupid banners everywhere to make a buck but makes viewing it on your phone or something a real PIA
[23:31:00] <PetefromTn_> Its really beautiful out tonight over here.
[23:31:15] <PetefromTn_> Got the windows open and there is a really nice cool breeze blowing thru.
[23:31:40] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/vice-endstop1.jpg
[23:31:42] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/vice-endstop2.jpg
[23:31:43] <PetefromTn_> Okay just tried about ten times to login and view your pics man. no dice..
[23:31:45] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/vice-endstop3.jpg
[23:32:20] <Connor> click the stupid remember me check box..
[23:32:32] <Connor> but.. I posted them on my server so you don't have to worry about it.
[23:32:32] <PetefromTn_> oh nice man, how rigid is it?
[23:32:53] <PetefromTn_> I ALWAYS click that box. it is not even loading up the pages..
[23:32:53] <Connor> Not too bad. I've not used it in a while..
[23:33:19] <ssi> Connor: this is what the top of my spindle looks like: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR3KQICUAAfx5p.jpg:large
[23:33:30] <ssi> different than what hoss's looks like... I dunno if that's just a cover or what
[23:33:39] <Connor> It's the same.
[23:33:50] <Connor> You have to tear it down.
[23:34:09] <ssi> do I need to take the whole spindle out of the head?
[23:34:26] <Rob__> anyone wanna buy some 1" endmills carbide?
[23:34:28] <PetefromTn_> I'll machine you a new millhead on the Cincinatti LOL might be easier.
[23:34:33] <Rob__> or trade? lol
[23:34:33] <ssi> haha
[23:34:34] <Connor> Just about.. If you plan to run faster than 3000rpm you need to upgrade the bearings.
[23:35:15] <Connor> that C clips looks different.. I don't recall if mine had that or not.
[23:35:47] <Rob__> ssi, what kinda mill 704?
[23:35:51] <ssi> ya
[23:36:17] <Rob__> if you do the bearing upgrade lemme know I got some washers you can have.
[23:36:20] <Connor> take the top hat off.. pull the drawbar out..
[23:36:33] <Rob__> save u a few bucks
[23:36:39] <ssi> Rob__: cool...
[23:36:41] <Connor> remove the C clip holding the sping cup in place..
[23:37:01] <Connor> I used shims from Carr-McMaster
[23:37:10] <Connor> and a washer PetefromTn found..
[23:37:38] <ssi> Connor: I haven't been able to figure out how to get the drawbar out
[23:37:41] <PetefromTn> LOL... I thought I lost my Internet LOL..
[23:37:50] <Rob__> Connor, yeah i got these from mcmaster car before I decided not to get the 704 but a pm45
[23:38:01] <Connor> PetefromTn Yea.. got your text.
[23:38:07] <PetefromTn> Sorry..
[23:38:17] <Connor> ? No biggie. :)
[23:38:51] <PetefromTn> My wife has had the flu or something for two days now. I have a sore throat now and I hope I am not next..
[23:38:52] <Connor> ssi You remove the top hat.. the thingie that has flats on each side.
[23:38:59] <ssi> how does it come off?
[23:39:03] <Connor> screws off.
[23:39:05] <ssi> hold the spindle and it unthread?
[23:39:07] <ssi> ok lemme try that
[23:39:08] <PetefromTn> ..
[23:39:14] <Connor> Yup.
[23:39:23] <Connor> PetefromTn: I hope your not either.
[23:39:45] <Connor> ssi I removed all the internal gearing too..
[23:39:51] <PetefromTn> Oh well, at least I work here so if I do get sick I can just still monkey with the cincinatti.
[23:39:56] <Connor> and the Hi/Lo selector
[23:40:20] <PetefromTn> Gotta draw up the Pro-tools touch off gauge so I can machine one for me and one for SSI LOL
[23:40:23] <Connor> PetefromTn: Yea.. but, I aint coming over anytime soon until everyone is over it.. :)
[23:40:37] <PetefromTn> Connor: Don't blame ya man...
[23:40:42] <Rob__> PetefromTn, ... Ill gladdly trade u for one!
[23:41:14] <PetefromTn> Honestly I might be interested in trading for some things I need for the shop.
[23:41:19] <Connor> that's going to take a big chunk of alumn for those things.
[23:41:24] <PetefromTn> Yeah I got some...
[23:41:44] <PetefromTn> honestly it looks like it is about 1" deep tho from the video..no?
[23:41:47] <Connor> I would like one too.. but. I kinda want it to be a probe.. not just a gauge.
[23:42:03] <PetefromTn> Well okay mr. picky...
[23:42:11] <Connor> :)
[23:42:35] <ssi> Connor: how does the C clip come out?
[23:42:43] <ssi> not the big one on the bearing, but the little one over the spring cup
[23:42:48] <Connor> ssi Big ass straight screwdriver..
[23:42:58] <ssi> I can't slide it off cause of the black cylinder around it
[23:43:23] <Connor> use the screwdriver to pry the cup DOWN while prying the clip out.
[23:43:29] <ssi> aha
[23:43:38] <PetefromTn> Take a look at that video and tell me how thick you think that anodized part really is?
[23:43:40] <Connor> be careful.. it's spring loaded.. :)
[23:44:14] <Connor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGJqMiF31w
[23:44:18] <Connor> at 1:45
[23:44:28] <PetefromTn> if you look at the 1;34 you can see it from the top.
[23:44:38] <Connor> 1.5" ?
[23:45:04] <PetefromTn> could be..
[23:45:21] <PetefromTn> How big is the dial on a Starret last word?
[23:45:49] <Connor> No clue.. never had one.
[23:46:06] <PetefromTn> I was asking in general.
[23:46:23] <Connor> I say 1.5" and the center is probably something like 1.25"
[23:47:14] <Connor> would be easy to find out.. take a standard dial indicator.. and messure from the face to the center of the steam..
[23:47:16] <PetefromTn> apparently the dial is 1" so that center piece is probably 1.125 or so and maybe the rest is 1.5 or less.
[23:48:50] <PetefromTn> I like how the thing is setup for 4" tall zero. Altho I was kinda thinking that the slot in the bottom was too short for the needle to travel any real distance.
[23:49:25] <PetefromTn> Connor: We should design and build a QUALITY table mounted tool sensor.
[23:49:54] <Connor> Yea.. shouldn't be that hard..
[23:50:28] <PetefromTn> Really right.
[23:50:51] <PetefromTn> I was chatting with Art about it the other day and we brainstormed a bit.
[23:50:51] <ssi> Connor: does the spring and cup need to go back in if you're not using the quill?
[23:51:00] <Connor> ssi No.
[23:51:15] <ssi> do you put the hat back on to hold the drawbar in?
[23:51:17] <Connor> you just lock the quill down using the lock on the left hand side.. I replaced it with a bolt.
[23:51:28] <Connor> No. That gets replaced as well.
[23:51:35] <ssi> hm ok
[23:51:37] <Connor> You make a new one.
[23:51:49] <ssi> so the pulley needs to be bored to the outside dimension of the quill splines
[23:51:50] <Connor> You'll need it till your to that point though..
[23:51:54] <ssi> and then setscrewed to the splines
[23:52:08] <Connor> and to mate with the bottom where the RPM disk went too.
[23:52:11] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YSgvwMjMrk
[23:52:18] <Tecan> (7YSgvwMjMrk) "Tool length touch off sensor" by "kubroid" is "People" - Length: 0:00:09
[23:52:20] <PetefromTn> Something like this....only nicer
[23:52:22] <ssi> hm I dunno if I follow that part
[23:52:42] <Connor> Look at your RPM disk.
[23:53:13] <Connor> you see how it fits over that larger round part ? and has 2 screws that hold it in?
[23:53:29] <ssi> ya
[23:53:48] <Connor> your pulley needs to have a similar profile on the bottom to mate with that part.. and then the set screws mate into the spline of the quill.
[23:54:33] <ssi> I think I understand
[23:54:53] <Connor> another words.. you don't just want to use the quill to support the pulley..
[23:54:57] <Connor> it's not strong enough.
[23:55:02] <ssi> ah right ok
[23:55:30] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yap36OW_RT4
[23:55:32] <Tecan> (Yap36OW_RT4) "Renishaw-TS27R.mp4" by "Toleshf1" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:56
[23:55:54] <PetefromTn> These are awesome but I am not sure how or if you could use the diameter sensing with linuxCNC..
[23:57:59] <ssi> so how are people who don't have lathes doing it?
[23:58:29] <PetefromTn> They are taking it to their buddy who HAS a lathe LOL..
[23:58:36] <Connor> Some people are turning the head 90 degrees and using a 4" chuck.
[23:58:56] <Connor> I used a mini lathe and fracked it up and bought two more pulleys to take over to Pete's house. :)
[23:59:25] <ssi> aha :D