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[00:00:28] <PetefromTn> Trying to get linuxcnc chat on my darn android phone here working and you're singin songs
[00:00:37] <generic_nick|3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZcqBgCS74
[00:00:38] <Tecan> (PDZcqBgCS74) "Lionel Richie - Hello" by "jasoneric" is "Music" - Length: 0:05:28
[00:00:46] <generic_nick|3> seems to work
[00:01:13] <PetefromTn> .finally been trying all nite
[00:01:26] <PetefromTn> So
[00:01:40] <generic_nick|3> so
[00:01:41] <PetefromTn> .....er whatzgoinon?
[00:01:50] <generic_nick|3> nothin much, watching paint dry
[00:02:02] <generic_nick|3> just put the first coat on the garage floor
[00:02:12] <PetefromTn> Jeez that's great...
[00:02:39] <generic_nick|3> the old coating was shot.... i rented a floor sander and sanded it off
[00:02:47] <PetefromTn> Is it a garage or a shop?
[00:02:55] <generic_nick|3> garage
[00:03:05] <generic_nick|3> and my shop
[00:03:18] <generic_nick|3> till i move, then its back to just a garage
[00:03:39] <PetefromTn> Oh I'm so terribly sorry ....
[00:03:40] <generic_nick|3> move my shop that is
[00:04:03] <generic_nick|3> you should be!
[00:04:18] <generic_nick|3> i wish we had basements here like i did back east
[00:04:20] <PetefromTn> Oh I am man....
[00:05:07] <PetefromTn> Can't shove a VMC down the basement stairs....
[00:05:36] <generic_nick|3> every house i lived in had level ground enterance
[00:06:07] <PetefromTn> Sweet...high ceiling?
[00:06:15] <generic_nick|3> one even had the garage in part of the basement, so you could take out a wall and extend it
[00:06:31] <generic_nick|3> eh, probably not high enough
[00:06:51] <generic_nick|3> thats my problem with my shop, the door is only 7' high
[00:06:54] <PetefromTn> Hell cut a hole.....
[00:07:03] <generic_nick|3> lol noooo
[00:07:31] <generic_nick|3> i think once i get my shop ill probably try and sell this house and move to a place with more land
[00:07:44] <generic_nick|3> so i can put up a steel buildin g
[00:07:56] <PetefromTn> I cut the overhead out of my garage door to get this monster in here.
[00:08:16] <generic_nick|3> how tall is it?
[00:08:28] <PetefromTn> What?
[00:08:33] <generic_nick|3> the mill
[00:08:48] <PetefromTn> Just a Tad over 8....
[00:09:20] <PetefromTn> Till the millhead goes up anyway ....
[00:09:48] <PetefromTn> My shop has 9' plus ceilings
[00:09:52] <generic_nick|3> anything you can take off the top to clear the door?
[00:10:34] <generic_nick|3> i pulled my head apart to get it under the garage door
[00:10:59] <PetefromTn> Well the millhead can be lowered down and you can unhook the cable chain but the electronics cabinet is pretty tall.
[00:11:54] <PetefromTn> The machine sitting on the base with real short skates MIGHT fit under a garage door.
[00:13:09] <PetefromTn> Mine are 9x7 tho and the driveway kinda tapers so I just cutout the overhead and made a removable panel.
[00:13:39] <generic_nick|3> hmm
[00:14:48] <generic_nick|3> ugh, time for bed. gotta get up early. goodnight
[00:15:09] <PetefromTn> GNITE!
[00:15:48] <ssi> so early!
[00:16:02] <ssi> I just got done milling the column on my g0704
[00:16:09] <ssi> so I can run the ballscrew through the back
[00:16:28] <ssi> I had a bearing block already built that went on the front side, but I made it fit up inside the column casting
[00:16:37] <ssi> so just the stub of the screw will stick out the back
[00:16:43] <PetefromTn> DJA make a big hole....
[00:16:55] <ssi> then I'll plasma cut a plate out of 1/8" steel that'll screw to the column and have a slotted motor mount
[00:16:58] <ssi> yea 1"
[00:17:15] <ssi> I love milling cast iron
[00:17:18] <ssi> it's so easy to work
[00:17:20] <PetefromTn> Sweet
[00:17:34] <PetefromTn> Nasty tho...
[00:18:37] <ssi> turns my hands black :P
[00:18:57] <PetefromTn> Yup been there lol
[00:19:49] <PetefromTn> Took me forever to get the chat to work on my phone tonight
[00:20:32] <PetefromTn> Im tired now going ta bed. Chat tomorrow with you guys.
[01:31:12] <mazafaka> What brands are good from which to buy a portal mill, with 2000x800x600 mm of travel? German ones could be pricey, let's talk about less pricey, maybe other European?
[01:32:40] <mazafaka> and hello. :) Bought a full-suspension bicycle to kid and have touch him to ride it on two wheels. Changed wheel tyres to 2.6'' wide ones, as `a mean of tuning'.
[01:33:01] <mazafaka> we'll go ride it again
[01:49:08] <ssi> hrm
[02:13:17] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:30:25] <gammax-Laptop1> what is the difference between random and non random tool changers?
[02:30:54] <gammax-Laptop1> Im looking at the master cam posts and they have 2 for each of those options.
[02:31:17] <ssi> probably has to do with whether the tools are constrained to one pocket or not
[02:31:30] <ssi> like my HNC has tools that are bolted to their position, so tool 1 is always pocket 1
[02:31:54] <ssi> but mills tend to have toolchangers that'll swap the current tool with the tool in a given pocket
[02:32:16] <ssi> so it has to keep track of what pocket each tool is in, and it'll preselect the pocket for the next upcoming toolchange, then on the toolchange it will swap them
[02:32:28] <ssi> and it has to update the table so it knows that the tool it just swapped out is now in that pocket
[02:56:06] <toastydeath> random tool changers are an order of magnetude faster than non-random
[02:56:16] <toastydeath> (sort of the practical difference)
[03:06:53] <gammax-Laptop1> ok, secondly which fly cutter should I buy. many sizes...
[03:07:00] <gammax-Laptop1> not sure which bit size is best for price
[03:13:54] <toastydeath> you mean what shank size for the tool or what
[03:18:46] <gammax-Laptop1> what bit size
[03:20:24] <toastydeath> any size at all works just fine on most flycutters up to 4" diameter
[03:21:14] <toastydeath> it also matters what you plan on doing, if you are just skimcutting, you can use whatever you want
[03:21:26] <toastydeath> if you plan on taking .250" per pass, get the biggest bit you can.
[03:21:34] <gammax-Laptop1> ok thanks!
[03:22:34] <gammax-Laptop1> toastydeath, was thinking this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLY-CUTTER-SET-CUTTERS-3-4-SHANK-METAL-BRIDGEPORT-/270348981272?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ef20e1418
[03:23:19] <toastydeath> 3/8" is a small tool
[03:23:27] <toastydeath> i would only use 3/8" toolbits in the very smallest flycutter
[03:23:45] <toastydeath> if you are only skimcutting, it will work just fine in all of them
[03:24:12] <gammax-Laptop1> what size you use for a bit deeper cut
[03:24:21] <toastydeath> 1/2" or 3/4"
[03:24:35] <toastydeath> also depends on how much overhang the tool has
[03:24:39] <gammax-Laptop1> needd to find cheap fly cutter to hold that@ lol
[03:24:48] <toastydeath> if you snug the tool up and don't let it hang out
[03:24:51] <toastydeath> it won't be so bad
[03:25:03] <toastydeath> but if you have to let the tool overhang the edge of the holder a lot, it'll cause problems
[03:25:34] <toastydeath> for reference, the biggest holder there is 2 1/2"
[03:25:43] <toastydeath> that's not much diameter before you start having to pull the toolholder out
[03:26:11] <gammax-Laptop1> ok
[03:26:20] <gammax-Laptop1> can u recomend one online for me?
[03:26:30] <gammax-Laptop1> cheaoer the better :)
[03:27:30] <toastydeath> sorry, i am not super familiar with where to buy cheap stuff
[03:27:33] <toastydeath> =(
[03:28:13] <gammax-Laptop1> ahhh ojk. thanks
[03:28:15] <gammax-Laptop1> im goin to bed
[03:28:19] <gammax-Laptop1> too late for mez!
[03:28:23] <gammax-Laptop1> gnight man
[03:28:29] <toastydeath> goodnight
[03:40:46] <mrsun_> "California Lawmaker Wants 3-D Printers To Be Regulated" heh one idiot makes something stupid and america is all like "omg omg omg" :P ... makes one gun ... then in the stores they sell them by the dussin :P
[06:24:33] <L84Supper> popular opinion has replaced facts in the US for the past several years. Conform and consume.
[06:25:15] <L84Supper> mrsun_: did you see the comments about banning hobby CNC now as well?
[06:25:27] <ReadError_> im waiting on the 1st test video of somone that printed a liberator
[06:25:34] <ReadError_> someone*
[06:25:43] <ReadError_> thing sounds dangerous
[06:26:36] <skroon> hi
[06:27:29] <skroon> I've got a Roland iModela CNC, I can sent it Gcode directly to it's device file... I read on the linuxcnc website that USB however isn't supported, are there perhaps alternatives for me, or is parallel really just the only option here?
[06:28:10] <jthornton> if you mean your just copying a file over usb that is ok
[06:32:54] <skroon> jthornton: yes indeed
[06:33:40] <skroon> jthornton: but I was reading the manuals first, and notice the parallel port pin settings
[06:34:16] <L84Supper> why do people only think of glorified glue guns when 3D printers come up? They can hardly print anything worthwhile and is like thinking that a screwdriver represents all hand tools
[06:37:09] <L84Supper> can you 3D print a reliable automatic weapon? Sure. It's been possible for over 20 years. People don't since you can machine one far more cheaply.
[06:37:40] <L84Supper> maybe they will once the printers and materials are lower cost
[06:40:20] <L84Supper> it's a good thing that most of the patents are expiring or there would be virtually no progress in additive manufacturing for another 20 years
[06:42:09] <skroon> jthornton: I just did: cat test.ngc > /dev/usb/lp0
[06:48:30] <jthornton> skroon, I assumed you were just copying a file using the file manager or something like that
[06:49:06] <skroon> jthornton: not sure what you mean?
[06:49:32] <skroon> jthornton: I have a file with gcodes called test.ngc, and I cat the content of this file directly to the usb port /dev/usb/lp0 is my cnc machine
[06:50:59] <jthornton> I don't know what you mean
[06:52:07] <skroon> jthornton: /dev/usb/lp0 is the port for my CNC machine
[06:52:31] <skroon> jthornton: that's what the driver creates for me, like a COMM port kind of thing
[06:52:54] <jthornton> that is beyond my guesspertice level sorry
[06:52:55] <skroon> jthornton: I send the content of my test.ngc file (I manually created this test.ngc file, giving it some gcodes)
[06:53:06] <skroon> jthornton: "guesspertice" ?
[06:53:34] <jthornton> I don't have a clue what your talking about
[06:53:48] <skroon> never heard of that word :-) what does it mean?
[06:54:05] <jthornton> I'm out of guesses
[06:54:27] <skroon> you know how linux device drivers work in general?
[06:54:50] <jthornton> not a clue
[06:55:06] <skroon> ok hehehe, then it gets kinda hard ;-)
[06:55:41] <jthornton> like I said before I thought you were just copying a file from one place to another like the file manager
[06:55:55] <skroon> well basically I am :-)
[06:56:00] <skroon> i'm sending it from my computer to the cnc
[06:56:58] <skroon> are there any known to be working CNC devices that use USB connection with linuxcnc?
[06:58:47] <jthornton> no
[06:59:10] <jthornton> well yes, game pads work
[06:59:20] <jthornton> as an input device
[07:00:36] <skroon> right, so output device (e.g. CNC machines) only work over parallel port
[07:01:07] <jthornton> or PCI motion control cards like Mesa and Pico
[07:01:18] <skroon> is there a specific reason for this? I read something about USB not supporting realtime interactivity or something?
[07:01:34] <skroon> what are does PCI motion control cards? what do they do?
[07:01:36] <jthornton> aye
[07:02:29] <jthornton> they provide hardware step generation and encoder input at a much higher rate than a parallel port can
[07:02:44] <jthornton> and give you a ton more I/O lines usually
[07:03:05] <jthornton> is this a stepper or servo machine?
[07:03:18] <skroon> aren't all newer CNC machnes moving away from parallel communication?
[07:03:27] <skroon> jthornton:
http://www.rolanddga.com/products/milling/imodela/
[07:04:04] <jthornton> stepper or servo?
[07:05:42] <skroon> jthornton: good question
[07:05:54] <skroon> jthornton: guesspertice
[07:05:58] <skroon> :-)
[07:06:35] <skroon> trying to look it up right now
[07:06:42] <skroon> what's the difference between stepper and servo?
[07:06:51] <skroon> I thought they we're the same
[07:07:00] <skroon> or can a servo just be a dc motor?
[07:07:54] <jthornton> well to change anything on your machine you have to know the basic information about what you have
[07:08:12] <jthornton> it is a cute little thing
[07:12:48] <skroon> jthornton: is another option also a "spindle motor" ? or are both stepper or servo able to serve as the spindle motor?
[07:13:11] <skroon> e.g. spindle motor just being the motor responsible for the drilling ?
[07:13:40] <jthornton> sure
[07:15:13] <skroon> ... :-)
[07:15:15] <skroon> sure what?
[07:15:48] <jthornton> sure yes aye
[07:16:17] <skroon> it's a servo motor
[07:24:01] <skroon> jthornton: aren't you the one writing the manual for linuxcnc project?
[07:24:25] <jthornton> yes I work on the manual
[07:27:28] <skroon> jthornton: good work
[07:27:44] <skroon> it's work that not many people seem to like doing, but always *extremely* important for a project
[07:27:51] <jthornton> thanks
[07:31:25] <skroon> you use cnc machines for your day job as well?
[07:31:58] <jthornton> yes, I own a CNC machine shop and design and build automation equipment for a living
[07:33:54] <Loetmichel> skroon: i read something lately: "docuimentation is like sex: if its good it is VERY good. if its bad its still better than nothing" ;-)
[07:34:25] <jthornton> lol
[07:34:31] <skroon> Loetmichel: hahaha awesome! :-)
[07:34:41] <skroon> Loetmichel: true :-)
[07:36:06] <skroon> jthornton: really cool, you have a website of your shop?
[07:41:54] <skroon> anyone here using a gerber to gcode converter?
[07:45:36] <JT-Shop-2> yep gnipsel dot com
[07:50:31] <mazafaka> What do you think of HAAS?
[07:51:01] <r00t4rd3d> too expensive
[07:51:12] <skroon> is there a still need to really understand Gcode in general?
[07:51:57] <r00t4rd3d> matters what you are doing
[07:52:19] <r00t4rd3d> diy redneck, not really.
[07:52:32] <r00t4rd3d> medical equipment, probably.
[07:53:19] <skroon> medical equipment also driven by gcodes?
[07:53:47] <r00t4rd3d> no i meant if you were machining med equip
[07:54:02] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: yeah? What portal mill for 2 meters long table can you recommend? You probably learn the market, I don't...
[07:54:02] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: hard steel milling, 2.5D and rigidity rather needed
[07:54:14] <skroon> r00t4rd3d: ah right, :_)
[07:54:40] <skroon> r00t4rd3d: i'm really intresttined in using CNC for making PCB's at the moment
[07:54:47] <r00t4rd3d> mazafaka, cnc router parts kit
[07:54:54] <mazafaka> skroon: you sometimes need to change something in G-code, but you can use manual, it is never a haste. Although coordinates for arcs (G2, G3) need some understandin.
[07:55:14] <r00t4rd3d> i couldnt write one line of gcode
[07:55:21] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: no kits, it is not for me, it is for a shop.
[07:55:44] <r00t4rd3d> still
[07:55:51] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: you're joking, you can write any G-code, like most people here
[07:56:01] <skroon> mazafaka: right, for example i'm seeing my router going all the way up, instead of just slightlying moving over the surfce, so I was wondering why it's going all the way up before going other x,y coord
[07:56:57] <r00t4rd3d> i most certainly cant write gcode from scratch
[07:57:12] <mazafaka> skroon: for example, I still do not understand Homing Procedure which is in the LinuxCNC files. I had a time to learn it, but, but I didn't...
[07:58:42] <skroon> r00t4rd3d: which tools do you use to go from CAD to gcode?
[07:58:58] <r00t4rd3d> i only use aspire
[07:59:37] <mazafaka> skroon: HeeksCNC has some options which can make you trying and retrying something
[08:00:28] <r00t4rd3d> aspire is cad/cam in one
[08:00:37] <mazafaka> skroon: TopSolid and Unigraphics can be bought by plants (one or two workplaces) to virtually encompass whole designing routine
[08:01:05] <skroon> mazafaka: cool
[08:01:13] <mazafaka> skroon: And I currently do not know any freeware program for turning on lathe/
[08:01:49] <mazafaka> skroon: Mastercam and Rhinocerros are mean-priced CAM software
[08:01:54] <skroon> mazafaka: man that heeks looks really nice! :-)
[08:02:13] <mazafaka> skroon: in #cam you can ask Dave Heeks himself, he appears there.
[08:02:16] <skroon> mazafaka: seems to be able to do PCB stuff as well
[08:02:51] <mazafaka> skroon: just learn how to arrange the items in the drawing for them to be milled in a proper order.
[08:04:00] <r00t4rd3d> aspire makes it simple to arrange your tool paths
[08:04:06] <r00t4rd3d> 1 click
[08:04:11] <r00t4rd3d> up or down arrow
[08:04:37] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: is it freeware&
[08:04:42] <r00t4rd3d> no, cost 2k
[08:05:22] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: because this is a laptop from Acer?
[08:06:00] <r00t4rd3d> no.
[08:06:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.vectric.com/
[08:50:44] <DJ9DJ> re
[09:05:27] <IchGuckLive> hi all From a cold rainy germany
[09:05:47] <Tom_itx> hi you from a chilly sunny USA
[09:19:22] <r00t4rd3d> i got to put a dock out in the lake today, 53F and 24mph wind :D
[09:20:57] <PetefromTn> Well surprise surprise, again I could not post to the CNC zone due to issues on their part..... lately it seems like there is ALWAYS an issue over there...
[09:22:01] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: why cnc zone
[09:22:12] <PetefromTn> whaddyamean?
[09:22:42] <IchGuckLive> its a semipro forum for people how will sell the parts
[09:24:32] <PetefromTn> Well honestly I STARTED over there with my benchtop machine build and have lots of people I call friends on there. Many were helpful with both of my builds and while I have moved my build thread for the Cincinatti Arrow 500 over to the linuxCNC forum I wanted to keep that thread updated for them to be able to keep in touch.
[09:25:13] <Tom_itx> apparently they don't wanna stay in touch that much
[09:25:15] <PetefromTn> I do need to start posting in a place where I can interface with folks who might be able to bring me some work so I can sell parts LOL
[09:25:26] <PetefromTn> LOL probably right....
[09:25:41] <PetefromTn> Maybe I am a legend in my own mind ROFL.
[09:25:59] <archivist> work...what is that?
[09:26:23] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: so you are the man that brings us to Hell LOL
[09:26:25] <PetefromTn> I really kinda like the IRC format which is more real time and the convo can go where it wants in a more manageable manner
[09:26:50] <PetefromTn> work you know that thing that pays the bills....I NEED SOME LOL
[09:27:11] <IchGuckLive> Tennesie is a farmland so go to the farm store and ask for replacepart of oldies
[09:27:12] <PetefromTn> rather a more timely manner..
[09:27:13] <Tom_itx> plug the drain and the tub will fill
[09:27:33] <Tom_itx> our govt needs to hear that
[09:27:36] <PetefromTn> already plugged it...I live rather meagerly....
[09:27:43] <archivist> PetefromTn, I know only too well....
[09:27:46] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: you got a plasma
[09:27:53] <PetefromTn> nope wish I did..
[09:28:24] <PetefromTn> Got a Commercial Tig, the VMC, fabrication tools grinders, bandsaws, etc...
[09:28:34] <IchGuckLive> Farmers love to pimp there farm with large steel size signes
[09:28:53] <IchGuckLive> School sportfields
[09:28:54] <PetefromTn> Don't have a CNC lathe yet....manual 12x36
[09:29:25] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: get involved its a moneymaker
[09:29:35] <PetefromTn> involved in what?
[09:29:42] <IchGuckLive> plasma signes
[09:29:53] <PetefromTn> Again NO PLASMA...
[09:30:01] <IchGuckLive> 40USD a steel sheet and 400USD selling
[09:30:29] <IchGuckLive> as US also love to BBq
[09:30:41] <IchGuckLive> fire places are up to date
[09:30:51] <PetefromTn> you let me know where you can buy US steel sheet for 40 USD and Ill go buy some LOL
[09:31:24] <IchGuckLive> i pay 25Eur for 1x2m 2mmthick
[09:31:27] <PetefromTn> my next door neighbor wants a trailerable BBQ but I don't have the equipment for making that stuff..
[09:31:53] <PetefromTn> not to make any real money anyways....
[09:32:20] <PetefromTn> really looking for CNC machine work using this damn machine I just build LOL and maybe my lathe...
[09:32:56] <IchGuckLive> in the USA also there is a market for engraving winner signes
[09:32:57] <PetefromTn> If I can get that going then maybe I could afford to build a nice plasma table...
[09:33:27] <PetefromTn> Yeah I do some engraving here and plan to with the new machine.
[09:33:29] <IchGuckLive> winner trophy
[09:34:11] <IchGuckLive> also the famos gunshop wil give you work
[09:34:14] <PetefromTn> what are you making right now IchGuckLive
[09:34:34] <IchGuckLive> in this our or at work
[09:34:56] <PetefromTn> making gun parts is supposed to be real good right now and I am trying to find something in that regard that is legal.
[09:35:05] <PetefromTn> either..
[09:35:12] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn what industries around you use cnc?
[09:35:15] <Tom_itx> contact them
[09:35:41] <IchGuckLive> i doo custom fire places for tomorows plasma action
[09:35:55] <Tom_itx> of course making gun parts is good right now... they're trying to change the laws on us
[09:36:08] <PetefromTn> well we do have Nippon Denso here and some other large manufacturer but you need to have an IN to get that work I hear...
[09:36:18] <PetefromTn> yeah I know...
[09:36:28] <IchGuckLive> also ask custom carmakers
[09:36:34] <IchGuckLive> and bikemakers
[09:36:55] <IchGuckLive> shops like West cost custroms and Ammerican choppers
[09:37:01] <PetefromTn> actually the bikemakers is not a bad idea, we have a shop local or two...
[09:37:26] <PetefromTn> I know my pal Joel at JH choppers makes some cool custom bike stuff....
[09:37:41] <IchGuckLive> the taig may not fit a 22" rim
[09:37:45] <PetefromTn> That kinda thing would be fun AND profitable I think.
[09:37:56] <PetefromTn> yeah but my Cincinatti will LOL...
[09:37:58] <Tom_itx> at one point i wanted a saltwater fishtank so i researched a bit and one thing i made was a protein skimmer. showed the fish dealer and wound up selling him a bunch of them
[09:38:07] <Tom_itx> enough to pay for that hobby for a while
[09:38:08] <IchGuckLive> but a aircooler logo is up to be done
[09:38:35] <Tom_itx> use what's around you to make money
[09:38:47] <PetefromTn> HMm Don't know jack about salt water fishtanks...sorry.
[09:38:49] <IchGuckLive> agees with tom
[09:38:54] <Tom_itx> i didn't either
[09:39:00] <Tom_itx> but i still made a better one
[09:39:07] <PetefromTn> You make them on the Sherline?
[09:39:10] <Tom_itx> acording to him anyway
[09:39:20] <Tom_itx> no most of it was lathe work
[09:39:52] <IchGuckLive> ok im ff to the last day of BBQ in town s brithday week
[09:40:02] <IchGuckLive> off B)
[09:40:29] <PetefromTn> I do have a small paying job making some custom eccentric links for a fellow who works on BMW's. They are real simple tho and will be done here probably by monday.
[09:40:50] <Tom_itx> so make something else to dazzle him
[09:41:33] <PetefromTn> Just as soon as I can think of something....!!
[09:41:33] <Tom_itx> marketing is 2/3 the job
[09:42:01] <PetefromTn> agreed..
[09:43:10] <PetefromTn> I gotta make some sorta High speed spindle so I can do some of the engraving I was doing with the RF45 and I have some ideas for that. Now that the machine is working I can start concentrating on that kinda stuff.
[09:43:35] <archivist> marketing....pictures of ones work on ones website
[09:44:03] <archivist> incoming links to website and google friendly
[09:44:27] <PetefromTn> YES EXACTLY... I don't have a website yet but I need to get one made up. I think my Pal Connor is the GURU with that kinda stuff...maybe we can work a deal somehow..
[09:45:04] <PetefromTn> I am on Google plus but not as a business yet.
[09:45:12] <archivist> buuut having a website gets me very little machining work!!!!
[09:45:22] <archivist> grumble
[09:45:34] <PetefromTn> do you do machine work for a living?
[09:45:48] <acf> aa
[09:45:54] <PetefromTn> bb
[09:46:04] <acf> anybody talking spanish?
[09:46:21] <PetefromTn> un poquito?
[09:46:24] <r00t4rd3d> no
[09:46:29] <r00t4rd3d> engrish
[09:46:54] <PetefromTn> are there translators for IRC?
[09:47:37] <archivist> a living... currently not making enough to live from machining
[09:47:51] <PetefromTn> yeah I know the feeling...
[09:48:11] <acf> do you know any easy-to-use freeware 3Dcad modeler?
[09:48:42] <PetefromTn> I get the occasional good project in here but if it were not for my wife's nursing job and her benefits I would be screwed in the slow times
[09:48:51] <PetefromTn> Heekscad?
[09:49:01] <PetefromTn> Altho I don't use it...
[09:49:22] <PetefromTn> also there is a google one forget what its called..
[09:49:24] <archivist> so I do anything, websites, taxi, fabrication archives
[09:49:50] <PetefromTn> what the hell is a fabrication archive?
[09:50:03] <archivist> missed a comma
[09:50:20] <PetefromTn> I also do some high end custom millwork and cabinetry from my shop when I find the work...
[09:50:34] <Loetmichel> so, now i can measure in your units, usa... my wife just got back from philadelphia and brought me a present:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14238
[09:50:35] <Loetmichel> :-)
[09:50:46] <archivist> this sort of fab
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_04_18_glass_trolley/IMG_1531_600.JPG
[09:50:59] <Loetmichel> ... jut thinking over the the brass slide... whats THAT for?
[09:51:00] <andypugh> acf: FreeCAD?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/
[09:51:37] <acf> i just tried freecad and i don't like it.
[09:51:43] <PetefromTn> I do fabrication work like that too... not much lately but...
[09:51:47] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Depth gauge?
[09:52:01] <PetefromTn> I had made a bunch of custom built home brewing stands...
[09:52:03] <Loetmichel> possible ;-)
[09:52:11] <acf> I'll try heekscad... thnks for the info
[09:52:12] <andypugh> acf: Do you want "free" or "Free"?
[09:53:08] <PetefromTn> We were discussing the deskproto yesterday and while it is not free it is pretty cheap for the entry level and it looks quite powerful.
[09:55:24] <andypugh> I just camde back from a weekend away, to find I had left the IRC open, and there was a bouncing alert. But it's scrolled away. I wonder who it was, and what they wanted?
[09:56:04] <r00t4rd3d> we were just talking shit about you
[09:57:07] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: i have deskproto here. good thing: cheap and a 30 days evaluation full version aviable.
[09:57:20] * r00t4rd3d laughs as andy scrolls through the logs
[09:57:25] <Loetmichel> bad: strategies are a bit dumb.
[09:57:48] <PetefromTn> how so?
[09:58:23] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: usses LOTS of linear moves instead of g02 or g03
[09:58:48] <Loetmichel> resilts in VERY big files and isnt the best in minimizing movement either
[09:58:59] <Loetmichel> results
[09:59:04] <Loetmichel> but one can work with it
[09:59:49] <PetefromTn> Honestly with linuxCNC the file size is not as much a concern as it was before with DNC but TIME is...
[10:01:04] <mrsun_> L84Supper, nop
[10:02:32] <PetefromTn> Loetmichel: it is also quite reasonably priced for what you get especially with the rotary axis modules...
[10:02:56] <PetefromTn> cut3d seems pretty decent too but I have yet to look that seriously at either of them.
[10:03:32] <andypugh> DeskProto website looks like it escaped from Geocities.
[10:03:39] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: this file was about 35 mb of gcode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEG7-6zwpt4
[10:03:39] <Loetmichel> wirth roughing and 2 times finishing 90° crossed
[10:03:39] <Tecan> (cEG7-6zwpt4) "aussentank" by "Loetmichel" is "Animals" - Length: 0:01:27
[10:03:41] <Loetmichel> it is!
[10:04:51] <Loetmichel> (cheap)
[10:05:17] <PetefromTn> nice man but why is that machine so slow?
[10:06:14] <Loetmichel> not enough balls from my side
[10:06:40] <Loetmichel> it CAn do different:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-AYccsFpOs
[10:06:41] <Tecan> (0-AYccsFpOs) "randbogen" by "Loetmichel" is "People" - Length: 0:00:31
[10:06:49] <Loetmichel> thats F4200 in styrofoam ;-)
[10:07:30] <PetefromTn> you making torpedoes?
[10:07:45] <Loetmichel> no, wingtip tanks for model jets
[10:07:54] <Loetmichel> or wingtips
[10:08:09] <PetefromTn> oh okay one of those INEXPENSIVE hobbies....
[10:09:32] <Loetmichel> no hobby
[10:09:42] <Loetmichel> i worket for a small model company back there
[10:09:46] <Loetmichel> -t+d
[10:10:10] <PetefromTn> what does that mean?
[10:10:18] <Loetmichel> the first video was the mold for a tip tank for a 1:5 Viper jet
[10:11:07] <PetefromTn> cool...
[10:11:14] <Loetmichel> the second was tha mold for a winktip for a fieseler storch
[10:11:24] <Loetmichel> wingtip
[10:11:55] <Loetmichel> we made these models
[10:12:31] <L84Supper> Loetmichel: what were the final molds made from?
[10:12:43] <Loetmichel> glass fibre
[10:13:35] <Loetmichel> and a 1:5 viper jet or a 1:4 fieseler storch are BIG models ;-)
[10:13:58] <PetefromTn> No doubt..
[10:14:10] <PetefromTn> looks like nice work man. you should be proud.
[10:14:19] <Loetmichel> http://www.paoloseverin.it/Fieseler/files/page39-1033-full.html
[10:14:38] <L84Supper> I wonder who sells N. Korea their 1:1 models?
[10:16:43] <PetefromTn> well I better get off here and do something or else I'll just sit here all day chatting and surfing LOL...
[10:17:28] <PetefromTn> Loetmichel: where ya from?
[10:17:38] <Loetmichel> germany
[10:18:23] <PetefromTn> Cool vids man. cya guys later...
[10:21:06] <Loetmichel> hmm, what i wanted to say: these parts were made with deskproto as cam... now he is gone ;-)
[10:22:12] <Loetmichel> oh, i stand corrected: the tiptanks wre for a L39 albatros, not the viper... same size though ;-)
[10:43:09] <dosas> hi since i want to use linuxcnc with my reprap i need to buy a serial port card
[10:43:19] <JT-Shop> nope
[10:43:46] <dosas> i have looked on the wiki after suitable cards but they all seem pretty old
[10:43:58] <dosas> so what i figured i need is the epp/epc thing
[10:44:10] <dosas> is this special to some chipsets
[10:44:20] <dosas> uor do all cards today support this
[10:44:28] <JT-Shop> serial is not used with LinuxCNC
[10:44:33] <JT-Shop> nor USB
[10:44:34] <L84Supper> dosas: did you see the PCIe cards?
[10:44:38] <dosas> sorry parallel
[10:44:42] <dosas> yes
[10:44:54] <dosas> but i don't think you can buy them anymore
[10:45:00] <Loetmichel> L84Supper: north corean models are made from cardboard. thats something we didnt do ;-)
[10:45:09] <L84Supper> EPP is legacy
[10:45:24] <L84Supper> Loetmichel: :)
[10:45:37] <dosas> so what you are saying is that any pci to parallel card will do today
[10:46:09] <JT-Shop> aye a PCI parallel card will work in most cases
[10:46:10] <L84Supper> dosas: no, why do you insist on EPP?
[10:46:17] <dosas> the wiki insists
[10:46:22] <JT-Shop> what kind of stepper drive do you have?
[10:46:29] <dosas> i have the pololus
[10:46:32] <JT-Shop> nothing insists
[10:46:39] <JT-Shop> what's that?
[10:46:44] <dosas> i don't insist on anything
[10:46:52] <dosas> i just want to buy a card that will work
[10:46:59] <L84Supper> why not PCIe ?
[10:47:01] <JT-Shop> what is a pololus?
[10:47:19] <L84Supper> which pololu?
[10:47:21] <dosas> http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1182
[10:47:28] <dosas> the stuff that is used for reprap
[10:47:45] <dosas> i foud a page on the wiki somewhere whcih told me it will work
[10:47:46] <L84Supper> step and direction
[10:47:51] <dosas> but i cannot find it anymore
[10:47:59] <JT-Shop> just use your onboard parallel port
[10:48:08] <dosas> fdon't have one
[10:48:12] <L84Supper> or find an old PC with EPP
[10:48:14] <dosas> no mainboard today has
[10:48:16] <JT-Shop> laptop?
[10:48:19] <dosas> no
[10:48:22] <dosas> desktop
[10:48:26] <dosas> but rather new
[10:48:39] <dosas> so EPP is important
[10:48:50] <JT-Shop> did you run the latency test?
[10:48:54] <dosas> wow
[10:48:56] <dosas> no
[10:49:02] <dosas> i haven't even bought the card
[10:49:05] <JT-Shop> might want to start there
[10:49:08] <dosas> nor installed anything
[10:49:09] <skunkworks> dosas: you need epp if you are going to use the epp protocaol.. for just doing step/dir out of the printer port - most anything will work
[10:49:17] <JT-Shop> boot from the LiveCD
[10:49:17] <dosas> kk
[10:49:26] <dosas> some one on that chat didn't think so
[10:50:00] <L84Supper> many PCIe to EPP cards will work if you can find them
[10:50:01] <dosas> so i will buy one with the chipset described in the wiki
[10:50:09] <dosas> many but not all
[10:50:18] <dosas> anyone of you recently bought a card?
[10:50:26] <dosas> what i also wanted to ask
[10:50:26] <JT-Shop> a PCI card?
[10:50:28] <dosas> is card better
[10:50:37] <JT-Shop> better than what?
[10:50:40] <dosas> or the expensive stuff recommended on the wiki
[10:50:45] <L84Supper> people are using old boards with EPP or using PCI or PCIe
[10:51:08] <JT-Shop> expensive stuff is not very descriptive
[10:51:14] <dosas> sorry
[10:51:28] <dosas> i am a bit confused now
[10:51:45] <JT-Shop> it is very hard to guess what your asking when you are not specific
[10:51:51] <dosas> sorry
[10:51:53] <JT-Shop> I stay confused so it is not a problem
[10:51:58] <L84Supper> http://www.siig.com/it-products/serial-parallel/parallel/pcie/dp-1-port-ecp-epp-parallel-pcie.html
[10:52:19] <JT-Shop> dosas: does your computer have a PCI slot?
[10:52:28] <JT-Shop> or only a PCIe?
[10:52:34] <dosas> http://www.amazon.de/2P-EPP-ECP-Parallel-Karte-PCI/dp/B0028OL9C4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1368364205&sr=8-4&keywords=netmos#productDescription
[10:52:38] <dosas> i had thsi one in mind
[10:52:47] <dosas> PCI
[10:52:50] <dosas> is still free
[10:53:03] <dosas> so epp is parellel port
[10:53:09] <dosas> and by pci i you mean
[10:53:20] <dosas> a card where the driver hardware is already on the card?
[10:54:07] <JT-Shop> please read this excellent write up on parallel port cards on the forum
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/18917-faq-pci-parallel-port-cards
[10:54:14] <dosas> kk
[10:54:17] <L84Supper> http://retired.beyondlogic.org/epp/epp.pdf
[10:54:41] <dosas> i was reading the wiki
[10:54:51] <JT-Shop> you only need epp for epp drivers like G540
[10:54:52] <dosas> but could it be that the stuff there is a bit outdated?
[10:55:00] <JT-Shop> always possible
[10:55:07] <JT-Shop> it is user maintained
[10:55:11] <dosas> yeah sure
[10:55:31] <ssi> hey JT-Shop
[10:55:48] <JT-Shop> I would say a cheap $10 PCI parallel port card would work fine with those drives
[10:55:51] <JT-Shop> hi ssi
[10:56:22] <JT-Shop> dosas: did you check to see if you had a parallel header on your motherboard?
[10:56:47] <L84Supper> dosas: are you controlling nema17's with the A4988
[10:56:54] <JT-Shop> dosas: before you do anything boot from the LiveCD and run the latency test for a long time
[10:58:13] <dosas> yes i checked
[10:58:27] <L84Supper> dosas: since you're using $10 stepper drivers, what are you controlling?
[10:58:29] <dosas> yes i am controlling nema17 with the A4988
[10:58:47] <dosas> yes of course i will install everything properly and test before i do anything
[10:58:59] <dosas> a reprap
[10:59:07] <dosas> for now
[10:59:11] <L84Supper> dosas: do you need real time control or just moving a motor from A to B?
[10:59:26] <dosas> i think i need realtime control
[10:59:29] * JT-Shop wanders off to take a nap
[10:59:43] <ssi> JT-Shop: before you nap! I need your help :)
[10:59:54] <L84Supper> dosas: you might want to try #reprap
[11:00:04] <dosas> no
[11:00:10] <ssi> I'm a bit hung up with the thcud component
[11:00:10] <dosas> i want to use linux cnc
[11:00:24] <dosas> because reprap software is terrible
[11:00:25] <L84Supper> dosas: good for you!
[11:00:36] <JT-Shop> ssi: how is that?
[11:00:58] <dosas> i was just asking about the parallel cards
[11:01:30] <ssi> JT-Shop: I'm not sure exactly how to configure it... I was mostly guessing at everything
[11:01:39] <ssi> and when I finally got it to where it'd try to move the z position
[11:01:46] <L84Supper> dosas: I don't think there is a list of known good PCI or PCIe to LPT cards
[11:01:48] <ssi> it does so all the time, and I'm not sure how to "gate" it or something
[11:02:01] <ssi> like, should I tie its enable to torch on? or arc-ok?
[11:02:03] <L84Supper> dosas: but i hope I'm wrong
[11:02:10] <dosas> i saw some recommendations on the wiki
[11:02:21] <dosas> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Supported_Hardware
[11:02:26] <ssi> what should the velocity and velocity tolerance params be set to
[11:03:11] <L84Supper> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NetMos
[11:03:28] <JT-Shop> ssi: if it reacts too fast then reduce the velocity, or as I do set it so low it won't react to inputs then slowly raise it up till I'm happy
[11:03:34] <L84Supper> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Startech
[11:03:44] <ssi> I see
[11:03:45] <L84Supper> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SIIG
[11:03:59] <dosas> yes but i think this is pretty outdated according to the link from JT-Shop
[11:04:03] <L84Supper> dosas: look for cards with those LPT chipsets
[11:04:04] <ssi> when I finally got it to where it was saying it was trying to control zpos, the Z axis just started whining
[11:04:11] <ssi> and the stepper wasn't holding
[11:04:13] <dosas> Try to avoid the 9805 and 9815 chips which are quite old and were a bit flakey
[11:04:24] <L84Supper> dosas: yeah, why I said there is no good list
[11:04:45] <L84Supper> cheap on ebay
[11:04:46] <dosas> so what i found from this link
[11:05:15] <dosas> if you wwant to use the drivers that need EPP the card has to have these chipsets or the capability
[11:05:21] <dosas> if not any card will do
[11:07:11] <JT-Shop> ssi: something don't sound right
[11:09:15] <ssi> JT-Shop: what units are correction-vel and velocity-tol in?
[11:09:19] <ssi> I used 0.1 tol and 20 vel
[11:09:25] <ssi> thinking that's 0.1 = 10% and 20ipm
[11:09:31] <ssi> but maybet that's 20ips?
[11:09:33] <ssi> that'd be too fast
[11:09:33] <ssi> heh
[11:09:52] <dosas> and did i get this right i can wire up the drivers directly to the parallel port no need fo any microcontrollers or FPGAs inbetween
[11:11:03] <JT-Shop> I think they are units per second
[11:11:12] <JT-Shop> checking to see what mine is
[11:12:21] <L84Supper> dosas: the A4988's are 3-5.5V logic in
[11:12:21] <andypugh> dosas: Yes. A breakout makes things easier, but they are not a requirment.
[11:12:47] <dosas> cool
[11:13:23] <dosas> but if i wanted to control a spindel via PWM i would need a breakout right because parallel can not do this
[11:13:43] <Loetmichel> dosas: you only need a RC filter
[11:13:59] <JT-Shop> ssi: I'm using a sligtly different component but my gain is 0.000005
[11:14:07] <dosas> so a parallel port can output pwm signals
[11:14:09] <Loetmichel> that can be build "inline" in ghte cable if wanted...
[11:14:27] <Loetmichel> it can
[11:14:34] <L84Supper> is there a list somewhere of know good with linuxcnc PCI or PCIe LPT cards?
[11:14:51] <dosas> i didn't see one
[11:14:58] <JT-Shop> ssi: I'm working on a thcud sample configuration, should be done in a day or three
[11:15:04] <Loetmichel> dont know,, i have industrial boards in my linuxCNC PCs, so there are LPTs on board ;-)
[11:15:16] <tjtr33> for arduino web-gui, bitlash-commander is fun
https://github.com/billroy/bitlash-commander/blob/master/screenshot.png i built node.js v8.18 then ran bitlash on arduino, then ran node, then openend localhost:3000 and made my irrigation valves work :)
[11:16:04] <JT-Shop> ssi: thc.correction-vel float rw
[11:16:05] <JT-Shop> The amount of change in user units per period to move Z to correct
[11:16:10] <dosas> but as far is i now know it doesn't matter which one you buy, unless you need the epp feature
[11:16:30] <ssi> hm
[11:16:39] <ssi> units per period?
[11:16:40] <dosas> if this sentence is right one could add it to the wiki recommended hardware page?
[11:16:45] <ssi> what's the period, servo-thread?
[11:16:53] <ssi> units per ms would be a bit smaller than 20 :)
[11:16:55] <JT-Shop> yea, base thread
[11:17:00] <JT-Shop> yup
[11:17:58] <ssi> what about the tolerance?
[11:18:13] <JT-Shop> that would be the same unit
[11:18:36] <ssi> and what does that do exactly?
[11:18:43] <ssi> deadband around which it doesn't attempt to correct?
[11:18:44] <JT-Shop> opps no
[11:18:48] <ssi> seems like that doesn't have a time component
[11:18:54] <JT-Shop> which tolerance
[11:19:09] <ssi> param rw float velocity_tol "The deviation percent from planned velocity";
[11:19:43] <JT-Shop> that is the corner lock, if it falls outside of that range no correction will be applied
[11:19:59] <dosas> cool than i can even heat the reprap over pwm the only open problem is the temperature readout
[11:20:06] <dosas> thanks a lot
[11:20:18] <ssi> ohh that must be similar to what lcthc calls "tip saver"
[11:20:34] <ssi> and it's already doing that... if there's a big enough deviation, it won't output a u/d signal
[11:20:40] <JT-Shop> so if you set that to 5 then if the velocity falls 5% from planned no correction
[11:20:41] <JT-Shop> yea
[11:20:56] <ssi> what would I set it to to disable it?
[11:21:06] <ssi> and is it 5 for 5%? or 0.05
[11:21:29] <JT-Shop> I think that is correct 5 for 5%
[11:22:23] <skunkworks> dosas:
http://www.anderswallin.net/2012/12/temperature-pid-control-part-deux/
[11:24:19] <JT-Shop> ssi: my velocity tolerance is set with a spin box and I set the default to 0.20 so my previous assumption was wrong
[11:24:22] <dosas> why is it that the linux cnc community seems to have little interest in 3D printers
[11:24:28] <ssi> JT-Shop: ok
[11:24:43] <ssi> dosas: mostly because people running linuxcnc are running real machines, and they consider 3d printers toys
[11:24:53] <Tom_itx> as they are
[11:24:54] <dosas> i have seen plasma and laser but only very little hacked together 3d printing stuff
[11:25:03] <dosas> okay
[11:25:04] <L84Supper> dosas: it's >90% of what I do, just not the glue gun kind
[11:25:07] <JT-Shop> when I get the thcud sample configuration done I'll ping you
[11:25:12] <dosas> but sometimes toys are fun to play with
[11:25:17] <JT-Shop> bbl
[11:25:22] <ssi> JT-Shop: ok cool... I'll play with what you've given me and see where I can get
[11:25:35] <ssi> dosas: I have 3d printers, and I enjoy them
[11:25:40] <ssi> but I'm not running them on linuxcnc
[11:25:51] <dosas> ssi: why not
[11:25:58] <dosas> which model do you have
[11:25:59] <ssi> cause mostly marlin works ok
[11:25:59] <Tom_itx> i agree about their software being lacking
[11:26:01] <ssi> repraps
[11:26:18] <ssi> I'm working on a project to port linuxcnc to beaglebone black, and give it drivers for the hardware
[11:26:23] <dosas> i think basically the 3D printing scene is considered toy because of the lack of good software
[11:26:28] <dosas> and the cheap ahrdware
[11:26:29] <ssi> and one of my goals is to make a cape that'll drive the printers
[11:26:33] <ssi> something like replicape
[11:26:56] <ssi> mostly the cheap hardware... the software is fine
[11:27:08] <dosas> but why port it
[11:27:32] <dosas> and maybe the ideology
[11:27:45] <L84Supper> dosas: the glorified glue guns are toys since they have limited materials and are as slow as glaciers
[11:27:47] <Tom_itx> i haven't seen much useful stuff come from reprap. mostly more reprap parts and dildos etc
[11:28:09] <dosas> there are a lot of "glue guns" that are pretty professional
[11:28:15] <dosas> and are used in big companies
[11:28:19] <ssi> Tom_itx: I've made a few useful things
[11:28:25] <Tom_itx> good to hear
[11:28:36] <L84Supper> dosas: it's really old tech that nobody uses for production
[11:28:44] <dosas> not for production sure
[11:28:50] <ssi> the reason you mostly see bullshit being made on them is because most people that play with them are hipster douchebags that think 3d printing is going to topple walmart
[11:28:52] <dosas> but for rapid prototyping
[11:29:00] <dosas> yes
[11:29:04] <dosas> good poitn ssi
[11:29:18] <dosas> so we built the reprap
[11:29:29] <dosas> and then i stumbled upon linux cnc
[11:29:48] <ssi> dosas: what are you using for hardware?
[11:29:57] <dosas> the hippster bullshit
[11:29:59] <ssi> electronics I mean
[11:30:00] <ssi> ramps?
[11:30:07] <dosas> i mean you cannot put a spindel on thsi
[11:30:10] <L84Supper> FDM is a small subset of additive manufacturing tech
[11:30:15] <ssi> no, you absolutely can't
[11:30:22] <dosas> selmade electronics with the plolu drivers
[11:30:26] <dosas> sorry
[11:30:28] <ssi> ok
[11:30:31] <dosas> selmade pololu
[11:30:35] <ssi> well you have a couple options
[11:30:36] <dosas> selfmade
[11:30:44] <dosas> what i wanna do
[11:30:46] <ssi> as folks were saying, get a parallel port
[11:30:48] <ssi> OR
[11:30:50] <ssi> get a mesa card
[11:30:55] <ssi> it'll be more money, but it'll be more good
[11:30:56] <dosas> i want to see if i can get 3 axis working on linux cnc
[11:31:08] <dosas> then maybe build a proper mill
[11:31:14] <dosas> and buy a proper pindel
[11:31:19] <dosas> spindel
[11:31:22] <ssi> I think that's a perfectly reasonable way to get your feet wet
[11:31:31] <dosas> but not with plastic parts but with metal
[11:31:36] <ssi> but you might be disappointed with linuxcnc's support for 3d printing
[11:31:42] <dosas> maybe
[11:31:47] <ssi> you might have to hack at it a lot to get stuff to work right
[11:31:50] <dosas> but this is what i do not understand
[11:31:52] <ssi> I'm not sure if anyone's done it
[11:32:10] <ssi> you can easily get the axes moving
[11:32:11] <dosas> yes people have done it
[11:32:17] <gammax-Laptop1> MOrnin all, anyone recomend a cheap fly cutter that holds a decent size bar in it?
[11:32:19] <gammax-Laptop1> bit*
[11:32:23] <ssi> you'll have to treat the extruder as a C axis or something
[11:32:29] <dosas> http://www.reprap.org/wiki/EMCRepRap
[11:32:30] <ssi> gammax-Laptop1: shars not have anything?
[11:32:57] <dosas> i have read the intro to the linux cnc manual witha ll the good quotes baout components and so on
[11:33:04] <gammax-Laptop1> ssi, not seeing anything that would hold a 1/2 or 3/4
[11:33:10] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKjKfyxD79E
[11:33:11] <Tecan> (EKjKfyxD79E) "Prusa Mendel RepRap controlled via EMC2 (LinuxCNC)" by "DarkerMark" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:15
[11:33:17] <L84Supper> dosas: why not build an SLA printer they are 10-100x faster than the glue guns?
[11:33:17] <gammax-Laptop1> ssi, that was just in ebay though...
[11:33:20] <dosas> and done some guy adrian comes up and does it all from scratch
[11:33:30] <dosas> what is sla
[11:33:32] <Tom_itx> dosas, ^^
[11:33:42] <ssi> L84Supper: he's already got a glue gun... let him play with it :)
[11:33:53] <dosas> so why didn't he use the aready existing stuff
[11:34:00] <tjtr33> http://code.google.com/p/emcfab/
[11:34:11] <dosas> yeah i see this topic is not famous around here
[11:34:17] <ssi> dosas: no, it's not
[11:34:32] <Tom_itx> dosas,
https://github.com/cdsteinkuehler/LinuxCNC-RepRap/blob/master/config/MendelMax.hal
[11:34:36] <ssi> and that guy's a communist, so god knows what his motivations were
[11:34:38] <dosas> and i was terribly furious why i wasted my money on a reprap
[11:34:44] <dosas> and did not build proper cnc
[11:35:01] <dosas> where you can mount a spoindel a laser aplasma and even if unpopular a extruder
[11:35:10] <L84Supper> reprap really make 3D printing tech look bad, it's even worse that the old patent holders didn't do much with it either
[11:35:23] <dosas> ssi :D
[11:35:38] <dosas> yeah the reproduction ideology
[11:35:45] <ssi> dosas: so back to the practical conversation
[11:35:52] <dosas> he is not a comunist he has shares with makerbot or something
[11:35:53] <ssi> dosas: you don't have a parallel port, but you want to control hardware
[11:36:05] <dosas> as soon as i have the port
[11:36:12] <ssi> rather than getting a port
[11:36:16] <ssi> that may or may not work in linux
[11:36:21] <ssi> go here:
http://www.mesanet.com
[11:36:23] <dosas> what
[11:36:28] <ssi> click on "anything i/o fpga cards" on the left
[11:36:31] <ssi> and buy the top one
[11:36:32] <ssi> 5i25
[11:36:37] <Tom_itx> dosas,
https://github.com/cdsteinkuehler/LinuxCNC-RepRap
[11:37:10] <ssi> even better, buy the kit with the 7i76
[11:37:15] <L84Supper> ssi: and spend money?!
[11:37:22] <ssi> L84Supper: yea well I'm waiting for that
[11:37:28] <dosas> no i don't want to buy i want to tinker
[11:37:35] <ssi> heh ok never mind then
[11:37:43] <dosas> everyone can buy'
[11:37:52] <dosas> and i don't have the money
[11:37:59] <Tom_itx> dosas, did you get the 2 links i posted you can 'tinker' with?
[11:38:05] <dosas> yeah thank you
[11:38:09] <ssi> dosas: and that's why reprap is what it is
[11:38:25] <gammax-Laptop1> ssi, looked on there site, theres a 5 piece fly cutter set for 29 that has one that holds a 1/2... would rather have a diff size set lol
[11:38:26] <ssi> because those people have no money, and so they 'tinkered' it all into existence
[11:38:48] <jdh> is there an advantage to a flycutter over a face mill, other than cost?
[11:38:56] <dosas> there are no prices
[11:38:59] <ssi> jdh: no inserts
[11:39:08] <ssi> jdh: use a cheap lathe tool that you can sharpen
[11:39:24] <Tom_itx> face mill would be used in production over a flycutter
[11:39:24] <ssi> they leave a nice finish, and can cut bigger areas in one pass for much much cheaper
[11:39:48] <ssi> yeah in cnc production, a face mill is much more repeatable
[11:39:49] <Tom_itx> aka shell mill
[11:39:57] <ssi> but for manual work, I prefer a flycutter
[11:40:04] <jdh> I got a cheap 3inch maybe face mill. Great finish
[11:40:18] <ssi> dosas: 5i25 is $90, 5i25+7i76 kit with cable is $220
[11:40:20] <ssi> there's a price list
[11:40:40] <ssi> dosas: the point is that if you use that instead of a parallel port, you'll get much better results, and you'll have hardware that you can run a real cnc machine on later
[11:40:45] <dosas> wtf
[11:40:57] <ssi> if that shocks you, then this hobby is not for you
[11:41:07] <ssi> run marlin on an arduino
[11:41:44] <dosas> yeah but all that is on the card are drivers right
[11:41:50] <dosas> and if i fry one the card is gone
[11:41:57] <gammax-Laptop1> dosas, im running the parralel until I can get the mesa card. its cheap in theory but VERY worth it. also very sellable if you dont want it anymore
[11:42:00] <ssi> no, there's no drivers on the card
[11:42:00] <dosas> if i fry one of the pololus i can replace them
[11:42:12] <dosas> not on the $90
[11:42:15] <dosas> but on the kit
[11:42:16] <ssi> not on either
[11:42:30] <dosas> no i will consider it
[11:42:33] <dosas> thanks for the
[11:42:35] <dosas> comments
[11:42:40] <dosas> that 's why i came here
[11:43:00] <ssi> the 5i25 runs its own firmware, and linuxcnc communicates with over a high level protocol
[11:43:15] <ssi> the 5i25 does all the step generation in the fpga
[11:43:20] <ssi> which means your computer doesn't have to
[11:43:27] <dosas> but linux cnc is able to do this
[11:43:30] <ssi> and it can break out much much more io than a parport alone
[11:43:57] <dosas> so i thought the big advantage of linux cnc is that i need no interfaces only the realtime kernel
[11:44:12] <Tom_itx> true but the interfaces make it much better
[11:44:20] <dosas> better you mean faster
[11:44:25] <ssi> much faster
[11:44:26] <L84Supper> reprap started out as a DIY GGG printer, the channel has been pretty much taken over now by commercial interests that only want to sell GGG junk
[11:44:37] <dosas> yes
[11:44:40] <ssi> with software stepping you're limited by how fast and reliably you can run the realtime base thread
[11:44:49] <Tom_itx> L84Supper with no moderator
[11:44:59] <dosas> but the card firmware is open source too
[11:45:03] <ssi> yep
[11:45:27] <dosas> and mesa is the one to go with?
[11:45:40] <L84Supper> they couldn't control Linuxcnc so they went off and pushed the arduino and now ARM M3 boards
[11:45:53] <dosas> the reprap guys?
[11:46:20] <ssi> dosas: yes mesa is the absolute way to go for linuxcnc
[11:46:38] <ssi> the driver support is very good, and their support is excellent
[11:46:48] <dosas> okay cool
[11:46:49] <Tom_itx> where _do_ you get support if you use pico boards?
[11:46:53] <dosas> do they ship world wide
[11:46:56] <ssi> Tom_itx: I guess the list
[11:46:59] <ssi> dosas: I'm sure they do
[11:47:02] <Tom_itx> dosas of course
[11:47:48] <dosas> i'm just disappointed that i heard of reprap before i heard of linuxcnc
[11:47:55] <Tom_itx> you'll want to consider better drivers if you make a cnc as well
[11:48:03] <Tom_itx> the pololu ones won't be enough
[11:48:05] <ssi> yeah you're not gonna run a cnc mill on pololus
[11:48:06] <ssi> well you might
[11:48:11] <dosas> yeah and some that can support the current
[11:48:22] <Tom_itx> same for nema17 steppers
[11:48:25] <ssi> I'm gonna try to run this guy on pololus
[11:48:25] <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/253334_10100133670565622_1712486917_n.jpg
[11:48:30] <dosas> but i want to do some testing first before i spend money
[11:48:55] <dosas> wow
[11:49:01] <ssi> if you already had a parport, I'd say just screw with that
[11:49:07] <ssi> but since you don't, and you have to buy hardware anyway
[11:49:10] <ssi> go ahead and buy good hardware
[11:49:23] <dosas> if you buy cheap you buy twice right
[11:49:35] <ssi> yep
[11:49:51] <ssi> parport is the "I already have the port and it's adequate" solution
[11:49:52] <Tom_itx> mesa and gecko are the best imo
[11:49:54] <ssi> mesa is the caddilac
[11:50:04] <ssi> and it's just not that much money for what you get
[11:50:06] <Tom_itx> gecko for stepper drivers
[11:50:59] <ssi> gecko makes great drivers, and I've got two G540s
[11:51:07] <ssi> but the G540 eats up mesa IO
[11:51:27] <Tom_itx> i went with the 203v
[11:51:28] <ssi> I prefer to use single drivers with mesa hardware, but that costs more
[11:51:37] <ssi> and I tend to get keling drivers cause they're inexpensive and work well
[11:51:54] <dosas> when i'm already here
[11:52:04] <Tom_itx> ssi, which one?
[11:52:13] <dosas> where do you guys buy the spindels that move the axis for the reprap i used threaded rods?
[11:52:22] <ssi> 6050 I think?
[11:52:26] <ssi> is what's on my little lathe
[11:52:49] <L84Supper> kelling is now
http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/
[11:52:51] <ssi> dosas: threaded rod is terrible... for a step up, use acme screw... the cadillac solution there is ballscrew
[11:53:14] <ssi> my reprap has acme z screws
[11:53:25] <L84Supper> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/kl-stepper-drivers
[11:53:37] <dosas> a h they have 3D printers
[11:54:14] <L84Supper> ORD Bot
[11:54:54] <L84Supper> he might start carrying SLA parts soon, I keep forgetting to stop back in there
[11:56:13] <dosas> again here they use different conceps for the z axis than on a router why
[11:56:22] <dosas> no chance to mount a spindel there
[11:59:09] <dosas> wow this stuff is even more expensive
[11:59:32] <ssi> dosas: now are you starting to see why the communists tried to reinvent the wheel?
[12:00:15] <L84Supper> ssi: just the European commies, the Chinese do things differently
[12:00:25] <dosas> :D
[12:01:20] <dosas> why do these guys use two steppers for the z axis
[12:01:31] <ssi> which guys
[12:01:40] <dosas> first one stepper more is more expensive second what if u loose steps on one of them
[12:01:43] <L84Supper> the ORD Bot
[12:01:46] <dosas> the 3D printing guys
[12:02:12] <ssi> it's not rigid enough to lift the axis by one side
[12:02:17] <ssi> and so it needs two screws
[12:02:23] <dosas> so the design is bad
[12:02:30] <ssi> so you can either drive those with one motor or synchronize them together with a belt and pulleys
[12:02:48] <L84Supper> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/3d-printer/3d-printer-mechanical-platform-no-controller
[12:02:51] <ssi> motors are cheaper
[12:03:33] <L84Supper> IIRC the ORD Bot is by the same guy that made the tool for Makerslide
[12:03:38] <dosas> thanks for the support have to now but i will hopefully visit here more often in the future
[12:04:07] <ssi> welcome to #linuxcnc, crushers of dreams
[12:04:34] <L84Supper> the same guy that put making a tool for extruding aluminum in the same category as "inventing"
[12:04:53] <ssi> haha
[12:07:18] <L84Supper> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/rail.jpg I just gave it closer look
[12:09:21] <ssi> that could be a useful profile
[12:09:25] <ssi> does it come in bigger sizes?
[12:10:45] <tjtr33> the roller guide surface is alum, i'd rather the hard ad on approach bishop-wisecarver
[12:10:59] <ssi> the hard-on approach?
[12:11:05] <tjtr33> add-on
[12:11:26] <tjtr33> http://www.bwc.com/
[12:15:31] <L84Supper> ssi: that size should be good enough for anything :)
[12:16:02] <ssi> how big is it?
[12:16:09] <ssi> and where can you buy that extrusion and carriages that run on it?
[12:16:22] <L84Supper> brb
[12:16:48] <ssi> tjtr33: the bwc stuff looks cool, but their website screams "don't ever buy anything from us"
[12:17:08] <gammax-Laptop1> anyione have a 24v ps they are looking to selll or know how to get 24v out of a atx power supply?
[12:17:24] <tjtr33> no prices listed? i just wanted to say that aluminum ways would suck
[12:17:27] <ssi> there's cheap 24v switchers on ebay
[12:17:55] <ssi> tjtr33: yea not just that, but it's the kind of website that says "call us and we'll set up a price for your multimillion dollar oem project"
[12:18:36] <tjtr33> diy
[12:19:04] <L84Supper> re
[12:21:46] <L84Supper> why not just use Igus? wide range of sizes and all the hardware
[12:22:23] <L84Supper> http://store.makerslide.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=65
[12:22:24] <tjtr33> the plastic igus guides?
[12:23:01] <archivist> spastic
[12:23:16] <L84Supper> I missed the last 10 minutes of conversation
[12:24:45] <tjtr33> didnt miss much
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2013-05-12.html
[12:26:20] <L84Supper> the makerslside stuff is great for kids to play with, if kids still played with construction kits like Erector
[12:30:52] <L84Supper> tjtr33, whats the going price to EDM a die for something like this?
http://store.makerslide.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=50
[12:31:34] <L84Supper> maybe someone is already copying it, the profile at automation tech is slightly different
[12:32:37] <L84Supper> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/3d-printer/open-source-aluminum-extrusion-with-v-rail-linear-bearing-system-built-in
[12:32:56] <L84Supper> I bet he's making it in China now
[12:33:04] <tjtr33> L84Supper, 40/hr , cad time & materials & heat treating
[12:33:07] <ssi> rgh
[12:33:13] <ssi> this thcud stuff isn't working for me :(
[12:34:15] <L84Supper> tjtr33, that extruder in Bensenville used to charge ~$2K for a tool
[12:34:34] <L84Supper> think they are gone now
[12:34:50] <tjtr33> L84Supper, the inches of contour is a good estimate at say 8"/hr, the relief angle isnt fancy on such a die
[12:35:18] <tjtr33> Imperial?
[12:35:27] <tjtr33> (bensenville)
[12:37:42] <tjtr33> 2k is an inexpensive tool, setup cutting polishing.. yeh 2k is cheap
[12:38:28] <L84Supper> they would figure that you were going to use them to extrude as well, so it was probably subsidized by the extruding
[12:39:27] <L84Supper> http://www.custom-aluminum.com/ unless I was thinking of them in S. Elgin
[12:40:04] <L84Supper> they have ~10K profiles
[12:40:21] <tjtr33> a guy whose done extrusions a lot is good, the geometry change from round to weirdo ribbed rectangle is an art, there's 'suspended' bits inside the 'hole'
[12:41:00] <L84Supper> thats what made me look closer at the profile at automation tech, they have fewer hollows
[12:42:12] <IchGuckLive> Back from wetttest BBq ever ! 5l/hr
[12:42:27] <L84Supper> in BBQ sauce?
[12:42:38] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:42:53] <IchGuckLive> sauce has been washed of the Meat
[12:44:30] <L84Supper> I have to go convert some parasolids to NX
[12:45:10] <L84Supper> be back in an hour or a week
[12:45:56] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:46:14] <IchGuckLive> you can do this by script in most CAD systems
[12:46:31] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: mastercam on solidworks
[12:48:09] <L84Supper> NX imports Parasolid since it's a native format for Siemens, but it never works 100%
[12:48:44] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: agree on that there is a negativ face check
[12:48:53] <tjtr33> L84Supper, the alum bearing surface is not a good idea, look on ebay for 'vrail' cheap to get a model up ( 16' rail 25$ ... etc )
[12:49:33] <L84Supper> tjtr33, I don't use it, somebody was asking about it here
[12:49:38] <tjtr33> k
[12:52:35] <tjtr33> sorry, that ebay stuff was alum also ( crap bearing surface )
[12:53:53] <IchGuckLive> 16' = foot
[12:53:57] <IchGuckLive> or inch
[12:54:19] <andypugh> Hard-anodised Alu is an OK bearing surface for sliding.
[12:54:58] <IchGuckLive> i use that kind of rails
http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mPXhgxXRuYEQnkuTq0wITrQ/140.jpg
[12:55:27] <IchGuckLive> good and cheep till 2500mm pai for 200Euros
[12:55:40] <IchGuckLive> a pair
[12:56:23] <IchGuckLive> working good even on rouph wood chip condison in a timber shop
[12:57:32] <andypugh> (better pictures, and pricing info:
http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/en/38-supported-round-rail )
[12:58:27] <L84Supper> http://www.ebay.com/itm/V-Groove-Rail-Aluminum-Linear-Guide-rail-Six-five-foot-Sections-/290858375221?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b8829835
[12:58:39] <L84Supper> makes any t-slot into v-rail
[12:58:42] <IchGuckLive> http://stores.ebay.de/cnc-discount
[12:58:51] <IchGuckLive> this is my shop supplyer
[12:59:37] <IchGuckLive> price and length under pink 16,20,25
[13:07:43] <IchGuckLive> im off have a nice weekend sunday
[13:49:43] <L84Supper> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/10/bc-flying-car-crash.html did it run out of coal?
[13:57:40] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKFgGQQCAAEZwvS.jpg:large
[13:57:43] <ssi> who needs a $70 tap :D
[13:57:52] <ssi> singlepoint ftw
[13:58:36] <ssi> worked out a solution for rear-mount Y motor:
[13:58:37] <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQeOlBbh6FY
[13:58:38] <Tecan> (cQeOlBbh6FY) "G0704 rear-mount y motor" by "imcmahon" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:14
[13:59:20] <ReadError_> how are those g0704 ?
[13:59:24] <ssi> cheap
[13:59:26] <ReadError_> like quality wise for the price
[13:59:33] <ReadError_> yea i see they are cheap
[13:59:35] <ssi> eh it depends what you're going for
[13:59:50] <ssi> as far as having a set of castings to build a machine on, I think they're pretty good for the price
[13:59:58] <ssi> they don't cost that much more than an X2, but it's a lot more machine
[13:59:58] <ReadError_> seems like Connor has spent forever working on his
[14:00:05] <ssi> and its considerably cheaper than an rf45
[14:00:19] <ReadError_> but in terms of hardware
[14:00:22] <ssi> I've spent forever not working on mine :P
[14:00:26] <ssi> I got it years ago
[14:00:26] <ReadError_> leadscrews crap ?
[14:00:35] <ssi> I dunno, they're acme so they came out immediately
[14:00:39] <ssi> I didn't use mine as a mill at all
[14:00:43] <ssi> never cut the first chip on it
[14:00:48] <ReadError_> lol
[14:00:52] <ssi> I have a 9x42 manual
[14:00:53] <ssi> no point
[14:00:59] <ReadError_> what did you put in?
[14:01:03] <ReadError_> 5start?
[14:01:05] <ssi> roton ballscrews
[14:01:08] <ReadError_> ah
[14:01:16] <ssi> 5/8x.200 X/Y
[14:01:21] <ssi> 3/4x.200 Z
[14:01:39] <ssi> at least that's the plan
[14:01:46] <ssi> the Y one is the only one actually in, and that's just today's work
[14:01:52] <ssi> but it's pretty far along
[14:01:54] <ReadError_> http://www.roton.com/images/2.gif
[14:01:55] <ReadError_> woh
[14:02:01] <ssi> I need to design a motor mount and get the servo mounted
[14:02:02] <ReadError_> i never knew they worked like that...
[14:02:05] <ssi> then order XL pulleys and belt from mcmaster
[14:02:23] <ssi> yea ballscrews are awesome :)
[14:02:38] <ReadError_> i thought they where just balls
[14:02:45] <ReadError_> didnt know they cycled through like that..
[14:02:55] <ssi> yeah
[14:03:03] <ssi> I've repacked them more times than I care to admit
[14:03:06] <ssi> and I have to do another one here
[14:03:17] <ssi> I hate losing my balls :)
[14:03:25] <ReadError_> my mill, is pretty small
[14:03:30] <ssi> what is it?
[14:03:32] <ReadError_> just a little taig
[14:03:33] <ssi> ah
[14:03:38] <ReadError_> but for what i do its good enough
[14:03:38] <ssi> the g0704 is small
[14:03:41] <ssi> but it's huge compared to a taig
[14:03:45] <ReadError_> yea ;)
[14:03:58] <ReadError_> cuts some nice single layer PCB!
[14:04:06] <ssi> you're pretty close to me.. you should come check out the '704
[14:04:43] <ReadError_> Connor sounded like he put a TON of work in his
[14:04:54] <ReadError_> i dont mind doing work though, its a hobby after all
[14:05:03] <ssi> you can get nicer machines
[14:05:06] <ssi> but it'll cost some bux
[14:05:13] <jdh> my g0704 was $900
[14:05:17] <ReadError_> what a good midlevel one?
[14:05:19] <ReadError_> 3k or so
[14:05:24] <ReadError_> 3-5k
[14:05:28] <ssi> depends what you want
[14:05:39] <ReadError_> something solid
[14:05:41] <ssi> I think you'll pay close to $3k for an RF45 once you factor shipping in
[14:05:44] <ReadError_> tried and true
[14:05:51] <ssi> tormach is a decent option if you want turnkey
[14:05:53] <ssi> if you want SOLID
[14:06:03] <ssi> spend $3k on a manual mill or a busted series 1 or small VMC and convert it
[14:06:08] <ssi> but the logistics get hard :)
[14:06:17] <ReadError_> tormach is all propriety stuff though
[14:06:25] <ssi> the software you mean?
[14:06:30] <ssi> I dunno anything about it
[14:06:37] <ReadError_> controller and stuff is, isnt it?
[14:06:46] <ssi> I wish you could buy something like the tormach that didn't come with drives or electronics
[14:06:46] <ReadError_> software
[14:06:53] <ReadError_> yea
[14:06:56] <ssi> but already had ballscrews and motors or maybe just mounts
[14:06:58] <ReadError_> i dont want all the extra crap
[14:07:08] <ssi> that's why I'd say buy a busted series 1 or something
[14:07:16] <ssi> get a big solid machine with motors and screws
[14:07:18] <ssi> and junk the control
[14:07:28] <ssi> that's basically the idea behind my HNC project
[14:07:33] <ssi> and pete's badass VMC
[14:07:38] <ssi> which I'm super jealous of :)
[14:07:59] <ssi> the g0704 I bought because it was cheap enough to not think twice about it, small enough to receive and move easily
[14:08:01] <ReadError_> thats like waaaaay bigger than i would ever need
[14:08:05] <ssi> and should be reasonably capable
[14:08:12] <ReadError_> i dont have a forklift
[14:08:22] <ssi> well I do have a forklift and a VMC is still a stretch :(
[14:08:28] <Connor> ReadError_: My biggest problem.. is time and money.. I run my own business (not CNC or Machine related) and Volunteer for a human Society. Time has been a big limiting factor.
[14:08:48] <ssi> Connor: was the '704 your first machine?
[14:08:52] <ReadError_> Connor: yea seems you are doing everything proper as well
[14:08:53] <ssi> first conversion anyway?
[14:08:59] <ReadError_> im like very impatient
[14:09:05] <ReadError_> and would mess it up trying to get it going
[14:09:41] <Connor> First Conversion, yes. First CNC machine. No. I built a CNC router out of MDF. Nothing but a table saw, and hand drill.
[14:09:46] <ssi> gotcha
[14:10:02] <ssi> did you get a bigger mill since?
[14:10:03] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OkBMA43qzg oops and a save
[14:10:04] <Connor> all assembled in my living room floor.
[14:10:04] <Tecan> (9OkBMA43qzg) "07 G0704 Shars 2" Face Mill Gets It Done!" by "russtuff" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:06:12
[14:10:18] <ReadError_> i was thinking about making a MDF router using my big router
[14:10:28] <ReadError_> like a little 2'x2'
[14:10:46] <Connor> ssi, I think purchased the G0704 to convert.. and have been tinkering with it since..
[14:11:07] <ReadError_> Connor: whats the hardest part been so far?
[14:11:16] <ReadError_> quality and alot of changes?
[14:11:17] <ssi> L84Supper: that's pretty amazing
[14:12:06] <Connor> Spindle Conversion was a bit of a challenge. I need to have my pulleys redone because they have too much runout because I used my mini 7x10 lathe to turn them.. and I'm a novice at using a lathe.
[14:12:34] <ssi> I have a bit of an advantage because I've got a big manual mill and lathe
[14:12:39] <ssi> so making parts isn't too bad
[14:12:41] <Connor> Since I did phase 1 (used stock screws) the shaft adapter for the Z was a issue too.. I ended up have PeteFromTN help me make that part.
[14:13:06] <ssi> and unlike a lot of g0704 folks, I don't have to try to use the machine being converted to make parts for itself :)
[14:13:10] <Connor> The Stepper mounts were easy to make.
[14:13:15] <ssi> which sounds like a horrible bootstrapping problem that requires a lot of planning
[14:13:30] <L84Supper> I've had pretty good success with Shars tools on aluminum. I've only broken one 1/8' end mill because I got to greedy with my feed rate
[14:13:37] <Connor> It's not easy.. but, you do learn allot about milling in the process.. I never used Mill before..
[14:13:38] <ssi> I use a lot of shars tools, they work well
[14:13:47] <Connor> Made my stepper mounts manually.. without issue.
[14:13:48] <ssi> and the price is right
[14:13:53] <jdh> I skipped 'phase1' to avoid the z shaft adapter
[14:13:54] <ssi> for hobbyists, pro tools are just out of reach cost wise
[14:14:29] <generic_nick|3> wayyyyyyyyyy too much spindle speed
[14:14:47] <Connor> I'm not happy with my finish I was getting last night on my PDB lift plate..
[14:15:09] <Connor> Not sure if it's dull cutter.. or the vibration being introduced by the runout in the pulleys or what..
[14:16:21] <L84Supper> something about 5mm taps and drills that always break for me :) usually on the last hole on the last part
[14:19:26] <L84Supper> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130512-uk-reporters-built-a-3d-printed-gun-and-took-it-on-board-eurostar-without-being-stopped.html
[14:19:45] <generic_nick|3> https://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10151379783925976
[14:20:27] <L84Supper> now I'm stating to wonder if this is how they will start to scrutinize 3D printing and hobby CNC more
[14:21:27] <generic_nick|3> good luck with that
[14:21:37] <generic_nick|3> it'll kill our economy
[14:21:58] <generic_nick|3> they know better. no way for them to regulate manufacturing like that
[14:22:32] <L84Supper> my Jeeps always broke, so I got a Land Cruiser
[14:23:16] <ssi> generic_nick|3: you think they understand economics?
[14:23:17] <ssi> heh
[14:23:35] <L84Supper> generic_nick|3: what axles and gears?
[14:23:39] <generic_nick|3> L84Supper: but then you cant go anywhere lol
[14:24:10] <generic_nick|3> dana 60 front, 14 bolt rear. 5.38's with a rubicon 241 transfer case (4:1)
[14:25:47] <L84Supper> I used to go through gears all the time, the cases would just bend out of spec
[14:26:18] <generic_nick|3> what axles?
[14:27:03] <ReadError_> i need to get a dehumidifier for my computer room
[14:27:33] <generic_nick|3> i need one for my balls, it's hot out today
[14:27:36] <ReadError_> GA is swamp in the summertime
[14:28:04] <ssi> it's actually pretty nice today
[14:28:23] <L84Supper> generic_nick|3: any, factory through superduty aftermarket, the cases would bend to point it couldn't be rebuilt
[14:28:51] <generic_nick|3> yea i dont think so, that's not even a thing.
[14:32:18] <L84Supper> the Dana 30 aluminum cases were really junk
[14:32:46] <generic_nick|3> liberty?
[14:33:18] <L84Supper> grand cherokee mid 90's
[14:36:29] <L84Supper> generic_nick|3: looks like you found a working combination
[14:37:58] <generic_nick|3> they didnt have an aluminum dana 30
[14:39:06] <L84Supper> http://www.jeep4x4center.com/jeep-axle-differential-parts/dana30-front-grand-cherokee-zj.htm
[14:39:49] <generic_nick|3> that's not aluminum
[14:40:24] <L84Supper> if it wasn't it sure bent like one :)
[14:40:43] <generic_nick|3> it had a regular low pinion dana 30. cast iron third member.
[14:41:37] <generic_nick|3> the rear was either a dana 35 or dana 44a
[14:42:47] <generic_nick|3> both of those axles are crap. the dana 30 can handle 35's when properly built
[14:43:20] <L84Supper> I've been trying to forget
[14:44:25] <generic_nick|3> you just picked the wrong jeep!
[14:44:34] <andypugh> I have a face-mill which came with an R8 spigot, now removed (could be replaced). My machine is BT30. I have tunrned down a BT30 boring tool arbor (I buy them as generic arbors as they are cheap) and this now fits the face mill. However the drive would be pure friction, a 40mm register clamped up by an 8mm bolt. I am considering a number of other options.
[14:44:40] <generic_nick|3> actually they're decent with an axle swap
[14:44:45] <L84Supper> thats why I have Land Cruisers now
[14:44:45] <andypugh> 1) See how it works out with friction.
[14:45:11] <andypugh> 2) mill grooves and add drive dogs to the shank.
[14:45:44] <andypugh> 3) Turn off a lot more of the arbor so that the slots in the mill can engage with the drive dogs on the spindle.
[14:45:56] <L84Supper> I just got tired of fixing things
[14:46:10] <andypugh> 4) Re-machine the R8 to BT30. The angles are the same, as is the base diameter.
[14:46:10] <generic_nick|3> andypugh: i assume it will work fine
[14:46:45] <andypugh> I can imagine a lot of torque from all those cutting edges, with the mill at 100rpm.
[14:47:20] <generic_nick|3> mill a slot in both and put a piece of keystock in there
[14:47:59] <andypugh> 1000 more words:
https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5877178367126560386?banner=pwa
[14:48:00] <generic_nick|3> or drill a hole and put in a dowel pin
[14:48:54] <generic_nick|3> does it locate on any diameter of the arbor?
[14:49:01] <generic_nick|3> or just the bolt?
[14:49:20] <andypugh> It locates on that shoulder just above the thread.
[14:49:53] <generic_nick|3> few dabs of weld?
[14:49:54] <andypugh> The thread was for mounting a boring head, but is unfortunately smaller than the register.
[14:50:49] <generic_nick|3> quick and dirty.... drill and dowel.
[14:50:52] <andypugh> Actually, looking at the picture, I could put the bolts back in those holes on the top, and mill slots for their heads in the arbor.
[14:52:29] <generic_nick|3> is that a sheep?
[14:52:31] <andypugh> Though I do quite like the idea of the spindle dogs engaging the cutter directly.
[14:52:54] <generic_nick|3> in a diaper drinking out of a wine bottle?
[14:53:15] <JT-Shop> how did you make the adapter float in air?
[14:53:42] <generic_nick|3> it's england. it's actually sitting ontop of moisture.
[14:53:58] <andypugh> JT-Shop: It's actualy sat on the cutter behind the hole. But it really does look to be floating doesn't it?
[14:54:11] <JT-Shop> yes it does
[14:54:40] <andypugh> And yes, it's a sheep. And the rest. A young lass in my folks' village has a pet sheep.
[14:55:26] <generic_nick|3> random
[14:56:50] <andypugh> It is my "CNC-Unsorted" Album.
[14:58:00] <generic_nick|3> cnc sheep. you can program it to stand near any cliff you choose. it will even carry your tall boots there for you if you're goodd with classicladder.
[15:00:15] <L84Supper> http://www.tormach.com/product_pcnc_main.html I thought these sold for far less
[15:02:07] <L84Supper> ah hah, the source for Keling and several other Chinese motion systems
http://www.leadshine.com/
[15:09:37] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKFwa8OCQAADVnC.jpg:large
[15:09:44] <ssi> glad to have my plasma table back online :D
[15:10:43] <L84Supper> ssi: whats with all the giant scouring pads in the buckets?
[15:10:56] <ssi> L84Supper: that's what my company makes
[15:11:02] <ssi> buckets full of scouring pads
[15:13:58] <r00t4rd3d> why you stroking that motor?
[15:14:10] <ssi> cause if I don't it'll fall on the floor
[15:14:39] <ssi> I wish I could find a way to tuck the X motor underneath too, but I don't see how I'd do it
[15:14:44] <ssi> without losing a lot of travel
[15:15:05] <ssi> maybe I can fold it back on the front side of the table
[15:35:14] <L84Supper> http://emc2arduino.wordpress.com/ anyone use this?
[15:35:48] <andypugh> Someone was. We tried to persuade him that the concept was flawed, but he persisted.
[15:37:47] <L84Supper> I haven't looked into it but I looking to buy before building some thing to use for analog and non-realtime IO Comedi + Linuxcnc
[15:38:22] <L84Supper> not for motion control
[15:40:11] <archivist> L84Supper, look back in various logs, there was someone working with linuxcnc and comedi
[15:41:01] <L84Supper> archivist: yeah I found those, somebody also mentioned writing a HAL interface for Comedi
[15:41:25] <L84Supper> but they did get Comedi and Linuxcnc working together
[15:42:19] <L84Supper> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/31341
[15:42:36] <andypugh> I have _talked_ about writing a HAL interface for Comedi. But that is as far as I have got.
[15:42:57] <L84Supper> maybe that is something i can do
[15:43:48] <andypugh> L84Supper: Have you seen:
http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294
[15:45:22] <L84Supper> andypugh: yes, but I dislike arduino and they are getting old. I'm considering what might have a longer life
[15:45:26] <ssi> I need to buy timing pulleys for these servos, and the only ones mcmaster sells with a 3/8" bore are very big and expensive
[15:45:26] <roh> andypugh: we use basically the same
[15:45:28] <roh> https://trac.raumfahrtagentur.org/wiki/Projekte/EmcArduino
[15:45:42] <ssi> would it be unreasonable to bore out a 5/16" bore pulley to 3/8"?
[15:45:43] <roh> works well when used within sane parameters
[15:46:14] <roh> well.. we useD it. currently its unconnected since we got other 3d printers now
[15:46:35] <andypugh> ssi: You are pretty much _expected_ to bore out timing pulleys. The size list normally describe the existing bore as a "pilot" and specify the max it can be bored out to.
[15:46:47] <ssi> these aren't called out that way
[15:47:11] <andypugh> L84Supper: So why were you looking at HAL2Arduino?
[15:47:27] <ssi> mcmaster has big L and H pulleys that are called out as machinable bore
[15:47:38] <ssi> but I guess there's no reason I can't bore out the aluminum hub on the smaller XL acetal pulleys
[15:48:05] <L84Supper> andypugh: trying to see what is already there and how much work to start with something better
[15:48:08] <ssi> I'm pretty sure I have a 3/8" reamer... I can pick up the bore with my coaxial indicator on the mill and drill it undersized and ream it
[15:48:12] <andypugh> I always have. The only hard part is finding a way to hold the pulleys in your lathe.
[15:48:28] <ssi> actually on the lathe might not be too bad
[15:48:39] <ssi> they have a 7/8" aluminum hub that sticks out past the pulley
[15:48:42] <ssi> I can hold it in a 5C collet
[15:48:52] <L84Supper> Arduino Due is out with ARM M3
[15:49:06] <roh> we only used it since we needed cheap, simple analog inputs. the temperatures measured with a ntc resistor were totally non timing critical since the mechanics integrates it anyhow (heater-sensor loops has seconds)
[15:49:26] <ssi> ew wait, did I screw up real bad?
[15:49:51] <ssi> I think I screwed up real bad
[15:49:55] <L84Supper> we need something like Linuxcnc + comedi for process control on more complex machines
[15:50:17] <roh> L84Supper: if you can get a sane connection between something like the m3 and a pc... usb isnt it.
[15:50:22] <L84Supper> just looking at what is out there off the shelf vs building and supporting something
[15:50:40] <ssi> andypugh: ok what do I do if my shaft is SMALLER than the bore the pulley comes with? :(
[15:50:59] <andypugh> ssi: You need:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111039531964 or similar.
[15:51:03] <roh> whats comedi helping there? isnt that just another hal?
[15:51:20] <ssi> andypugh: I have a boring head
[15:51:47] <ssi> I've been thinking about it backward... thinking I needed to put the big pulley on the motor
[15:51:54] <ssi> but of course the motor needs the small pulley
[15:52:02] <ssi> and the ballscrew has a 1/4" stub shaft on it now
[15:52:04] <L84Supper> roh: they do have a collection of drivers and libs to work with
[15:52:24] <ssi> biggest XL pulley in 1/4" bore is 28 tooth
[15:52:27] <andypugh> If the shaft is smaller than the bore, turn necessity into virtue by using:
http://www.fennerdrives.com/trantorque/
[15:52:27] <generic_nick|3> ssi: bushing time
[15:52:38] <ssi> generic_nick|3: yeah that might be the answer
[15:53:08] <generic_nick|3> those are neat andypugh
[15:53:27] <generic_nick|3> gotta keep those in mind
[15:53:36] <ssi> andypugh: wait what?
[15:54:02] <L84Supper> maybe something like a beaglebone black with analog
[15:54:38] <andypugh> ssi: Those things are by far the best way to mount a pulley on a shaft.
[15:54:54] <ssi> very strange
[15:55:00] <ssi> where can I get one?
[15:55:27] <ssi> ew they're spend
[15:55:29] <ssi> spendy
[15:55:35] <L84Supper> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Capes
[15:55:47] <generic_nick|3> youch, 40 bones
[15:56:43] <L84Supper> CAN, Profibus but no analog yet
[15:57:26] <andypugh> I used the idea to mount very small pulleys to my motor shafts. i bored the pulleys with a taper bore, then used a handy threaded hole in the end of the shaft to pull a tapered bush into that hole.
[15:59:16] <andypugh> L84Supper: Mesa 7i87? The other end of the fast-serial connection doesn't _have_ to be a Mesa FPGA card.
[16:08:03] <L84Supper> they make little analog SPI modules with PIC's on them for ~$10
[16:12:30] <L84Supper> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5.w4002-47979551.22.VuzTRU&id=20362859170
[16:19:23] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:23:13] <tjtr33> L84Supper, i use the english arm of taobao
http://mytaofocus.com/ ( find stuf on taobao but argue prices on taofocus )
[16:23:23] <tjtr33> and didnt know you read Chinese
[16:23:43] <L84Supper> I'm not so good, just learning
[16:24:55] <L84Supper> local pricing is always lower
[16:25:28] <L84Supper> figure at least 10% for foreigners
[16:25:49] <tjtr33> you got cnxnxin China or Taiwan anyway, they can get stuff for you ( yah 'fahrang' prices )
[16:26:37] <andypugh> I have a Komet ABS adaptor here. It's a very simple but rather clever coupling system.
[16:28:33] <tjtr33> ive used expanding sheaves but they worked on straight bores, the tapers were on 2 mating sleeves placed in the bore
[16:36:17] <ssi> grr this is like the worst possible way to have to do this
[16:36:24] <ssi> little pulley on a big shaft, big pulley on a little shaft :(
[16:37:28] <ssi> and I feel like a fool because I had cut the ballscrew at 5/16", and I spun it down to 1/4" cause I got in my head that I needed to put the little pulley on the screw
[16:38:43] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKGFA46CQAA-7-2.jpg:large
[16:38:52] <ssi> btw boring a 20 tooth MXL pulley to 3/8" isn't advisable :)
[16:41:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/05/08/sen-leland-yee-proposes-regulations-on-3-d-printers-after-gun-test/
[16:42:02] <r00t4rd3d> and so it begins
[16:42:30] <ssi> yea I saw that
[16:42:38] <ssi> I'm kinda hoping california bans 3d printers
[16:42:47] <ssi> since there's certainly more per capita there than anywhere else
[16:43:02] <DaViruz> it's great when legislators have a firm grasp of reality
[16:43:29] <jdh> they should ban hurting people, that would fix everything.
[16:43:38] <DaViruz> oh wait..
[16:43:38] <DaViruz> :)
[16:44:02] <ssi> jdh: pretty sure they did that hundreds of years ago
[16:44:23] <L84Supper> it would help if they actually discouraged it vs rewarding it if you have money or power
[16:44:29] <L84Supper> the double standard
[16:44:51] <L84Supper> but we are years away from that
[16:47:26] <ssi> anyone ever used miniature chain for reductions instead of timing belt?
[16:52:13] <gonzo__> just done that on my BP conversion
[16:52:29] <gonzo__> only one axis to try the idea
[16:52:54] <gonzo__> using 25H chain and sprockets designed for mini moto
[16:53:01] <gonzo__> seems to work ok
[16:53:09] <ssi> cool
[16:53:20] <ssi> the sprocket combos don't work out any better for me than timing pulleys do :/
[16:53:34] <tjtr33> andypugh, is there some setting tool used with the Komet ABS? ( how is the seat and the clamp screw adjusted properly ?)
[16:54:17] <gonzo__> the DC motors I was using already had a sprocket on, so though I'd give chain drive a try
[16:58:18] <andypugh> tjtr33: I am not sure I understand the question.
[16:59:12] <andypugh> The key point is that the middle cylinder floats, so you get a two-point vertical clamping action.
[16:59:49] <andypugh> I assume that the cylindrical bore/spigot are just a careful fit.
[17:00:00] <tjtr33> theres a cross pin that sits in a seat, and a clamping pin that pushes the cross pin into position. is there adjustment or is the seat screwed in solid?
[17:00:03] <tjtr33> ok thx
[17:19:39] <generic_nick|3> hmmm wonder if it's a bad idea to stream pandora on my mill while it's running 4 axes, quite a bit of ladder logic, and a spindle.
[17:20:12] <generic_nick|3> anyone think that will choke an atom?
[17:22:03] <tjtr33> the non-rt stuff should suffer but the rt stuff should not ( you might see the keyboard get unresponsive but not loose position or speeds )
[17:22:27] <generic_nick|3> cool thats what i figured but wasnt sure
[17:22:37] <tjtr33> so it might 'choke' but the part should be ok
[17:22:41] <generic_nick|3> i was hoping to consolidate computers a bit
[17:22:57] <generic_nick|3> is that more of a processor or ram issue?
[17:25:11] <tjtr33> both, its a system issue and the resulting jitter/latency. if the requested tasks get done inside each thread cycle, its ok.
[17:25:51] <tjtr33> if the system has to handle odd interrupts/priorities, then the part can suffer
[17:26:23] <tjtr33> dma usb hd video bus grabs... = bad bad thangs
[17:27:19] <generic_nick|3> gotcha
[17:27:24] <generic_nick|3> hmm
[17:28:32] <tjtr33> off to hdwr store for 3/4 ght, bbl
[17:34:24] <jdh> Here are the glory details:
[17:36:17] <PetefromTn> ..
[17:36:23] <PetefromTn> afternoon fellas.
[17:36:27] <jdh> <wrong window>
[17:37:07] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gXu57pswXyk#t=16s
[17:37:08] <Tecan> (gXu57pswXyk) "إدلب لقطة اكثر من رائعة تحقيق اصابة مباشر في معمل القرميد مع اشتعال النار فيه مميز جدا 11-5-2013 -" by "098765432180821" is "Film" - Length: 0:00:47
[17:37:12] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[17:38:22] <PetefromTn> Finally bought a cheap vise for the VMC today.
[17:39:54] <generic_nick|3> what did ya get?
[17:40:30] <PetefromTn> I was searching youtube and looking at the CNC style vises with the smooth sides that clamp down.
[17:40:55] <generic_nick|3> you dont need the smooth sides
[17:40:56] <PetefromTn> The ones that are on there are all over the place price wise.
[17:41:11] <PetefromTn> Today I checked with Shars and they actually had them on sale
[17:41:12] <generic_nick|3> you just need positive locking
[17:41:45] <PetefromTn> Actually I have had several occasions where smooth sides and the ability to locate the vise sideways might have been nice.
[17:42:19] <PetefromTn> Anyways, I checked on them and they were on sale for $140.00 or so.
[17:43:36] <PetefromTn> If you order them from ebay they are like $170.00 plus shipping is like $60.00 or so.
[17:44:15] <PetefromTn> Well when I bought it on sale at Shars I went to buy it and the shipping from UPS ground was only $33.00 so that was pretty decent I think.
[17:44:25] <PetefromTn> It is the 6" model.
[17:44:51] <PetefromTn> I know they are not the best but I will just be glad to get something on there that I can use until I can afford a nicer vise.
[17:45:06] <PetefromTn> I also picked up an electronic edge finder which was also on sale.
[17:45:28] <PetefromTn> Now maybe I can run the parts I am designing for the test programs on the machine.
[17:45:52] <generic_nick|3> link to the vice?
[17:46:29] <generic_nick|3> and r00t4rd3d, wtf did you just link us to?
[17:48:59] <PetefromTn> paste...
http://www.shars.com/products/view/69/6quot_Lock_CNC_Vise
[17:50:51] <jdh> http://www.shars.com/products/view/62/5x5x112quot_Lock_Down_Precision_Milling_Machine_Vise
[18:07:36] <PetefromTn> anyone built a NICE table mounted tool length sensor or have a good link to some plans?
[18:26:22] <generic_nick|3> shouldnt be too hard
[18:27:46] <generic_nick|3> good idea though, i should make one
[18:29:42] <PetefromTn> Yup the Haas Machines I worked on briefly used the Renishaw Tool touch probes that were table mounted. They were very nice and convenient to use. I am just wondering if there is anyone who has a good design for one that is working well that they would share.
[18:31:07] <generic_nick|3> just use some phenolic sheet to isolate a plate on the table and ground the spindle.
[18:33:16] <generic_nick|3> or delrin
[18:34:10] <generic_nick|3> or anodized aluminum
[18:34:39] <PetefromTn> yeah don't like that idea at all because it does not account for any overrun.
[18:34:53] <generic_nick|3> overrun?
[18:34:59] <PetefromTn> A table mounted sensor with a spring loaded switch and some down travel in it will be safer.
[18:35:34] <PetefromTn> Yeah once the tool hits the switch even moving slow it takes a moment for it to slow down. that is basicaly a real soft crash
[18:36:50] <PetefromTn> With a plunger type switch you can account for this and if you setup the probing to test it several times you can average the outcome for a more precise measurement even with a less than perfect switch.
[18:37:23] <r00t4rd3d> mortar attack
[18:37:38] <r00t4rd3d> that was actually filmed half way decent
[18:39:23] <generic_nick|3> who is that?
[18:39:40] <generic_nick|3> i cant read that crap
[18:39:47] <r00t4rd3d> syria
[18:39:52] <generic_nick|3> ah
[18:40:15] <generic_nick|3> some of the vids on that channel are odd
[18:40:18] <generic_nick|3> or all of them
[18:40:29] <r00t4rd3d> i only seen that one
[18:40:42] <r00t4rd3d> on liveleak.com originally
[18:41:13] <andypugh> PetefromTn:
http://www.wildhorse-innovations.com/?_a=viewProd&productId=80
[18:41:54] <PetefromTn> andypugh: yeah I know I have seen those. I am gonna have to build one tho.
[18:42:14] <andypugh> Why?
[18:42:17] <r00t4rd3d> mcmaster website ordering sucks balls
[18:42:49] <r00t4rd3d> no shipping costs, no deduction from cc....
[18:43:12] <generic_nick|3> yea it does suck a bit
[18:43:25] <generic_nick|3> no brand names
[18:43:37] <generic_nick|3> crap shoot what you get
[18:43:41] <r00t4rd3d> i sent them a complaint and canceled my order and got what i needed off ebay and told them about it
[18:43:46] <PetefromTn> because I am a poor bastard.
[18:44:02] <r00t4rd3d> i even paid more
[18:44:08] <PetefromTn> Mcmaster is awesome and has super fast shipping.
[18:44:19] <andypugh> Ah, so your budget is <$100?
[18:44:39] <andypugh> I got a real Renishaw on eBay for £50
[18:45:34] <PetefromTn> LOL I'll buy it for $51.00...
[18:46:09] <PetefromTn> Yeah I just popped for a vise and an edge finder. Things are real tight around here lately and my fabrication work has slowed to a crawl.
[18:46:22] <andypugh> For a super-cheap tool setter just have a spring-loaded plunger and use electrical conductivity.
[18:46:25] <PetefromTn> Just hoping I can get some machine work going with the VMC here soon to pick things up a bit.
[18:48:12] <PetefromTn> andypugh: yeah that is pretty much what I am gonna do. Just make a nice one DIY style. That is why I was looking for some ideas.
[18:48:55] <andypugh> It is worth bearing in mine that carbide is conductive, to you can make your plunger hard-wearing.
[18:50:48] <andypugh> Early shift in the lab tomorrow, time to log off.
[18:50:52] <andypugh> Night all.
[18:51:45] <tjtr33> carbide plunger switches
http://www.misumiusa.com/CategoryImages/Metric_2009_pdf/p1023.pdf
[18:52:20] <tjtr33> < renishaw$ > ace hardware$
[18:54:34] <PetefromTn> interesting.... what do you mean renishaw/ace?
[18:55:21] <r00t4rd3d> spending 50 bucks on special nuts and brackets sucks
[18:55:25] <r00t4rd3d> damn tslot
[18:56:11] <ssi> hate that
[18:57:59] <L84Supper> hmmm Actel Fusion FPGA+ARM M3's are only $3ea
[18:58:30] <L84Supper> those could make for a very flexible GPIO and analog board
[18:59:13] <L84Supper> easily connect to Mesa over SPI
[18:59:39] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, misumi is cheaper than Renishaw and more expensive than something rigged up from Ace Hardware parts
[19:00:40] <PetefromTn> yeah I agree. Honestly i think I can make a decent one using a proper photo interruptor and some careful machine work.
[19:00:43] <ssi> misumi takes a long time
[19:01:01] <ssi> mcmaster carries the same extrusions as misumi and is much quicker
[19:01:28] <tjtr33> local for me ( schaumburg Il) ( and mcmastercarr is Northlake Il same diff )
[19:02:24] <PetefromTn> never heard of misumi
[19:02:28] <ssi> misumi usually takes 2 weeks to get me anything
[19:03:01] <L84Supper> Misumi list all their products by days to deliver now
[19:03:36] <L84Supper> I can drive over and pick up from them same day for some things
[19:06:44] <L84Supper> tjtr33: Steiner Electric stocks 80/20 now
[19:07:20] <tjtr33> L84Supper, as cheap as lake in the hils? JT buys his from clone supplier there
[19:08:34] <L84Supper> tjtr33: heh, they never work out for me I'm 10 minutes down the road but I have to order from 30 miles away
[19:09:00] <tjtr33> http://www.frame-world.com/
[19:09:07] <L84Supper> Frameworld
[19:09:11] <L84Supper> yeah
[19:09:26] <L84Supper> kind of jerks on the phone whenever I tried
[19:09:55] <tjtr33> salesmen! (1st to go up against the wall when the revolution comes :)
[19:09:59] <L84Supper> Steiner is 2 minutes from them
[19:10:17] <L84Supper> the Crystal Lake one anyway
[19:11:08] <tjtr33> venditori, pah! pirata!
[19:11:44] <L84Supper> https://www.steinerelectric.com/index.jsp?p=home&path=80-20
[19:13:14] <L84Supper> https://www.steinerelectric.com/index.jsp?path=product&part=505906&ds=dept&process=search&qdx=0&text=t-slot%20extrusion
[19:13:32] <L84Supper> 2" X 2" T-SLOTTED EXTRUSION 145" BAR $82.65 / ea
[19:14:48] <L84Supper> 2" X 2" T-SLOTTED EXTRUSION 242" BAR $137.90 ea
[19:17:36] <tjtr33> L84Supper, is this any use?
http://www.onlinemetalsupply.com/aluminum/aluminum-rectangle-tube/6063-t52-aluminum-square-tube-2-x-2-x-1-8-wall-x-60-long.html
[19:18:18] <tjtr33> do you always need tslot or do you find where the bolts go after 1st setup :)
[19:18:35] <L84Supper> no, we move to shapes as soon as we can
[19:19:09] <L84Supper> sometimes products have a little t-slot left
[19:19:59] <L84Supper> process machines tend to use it lot since you never know what add-ons they will have later
[19:21:41] <L84Supper> if you buy a truckload the price drops close to that of shapes
[19:31:18] <L84Supper> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11589 Arduino Due $50, the beaglebone black is only $45
[19:40:10] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.miniand.com/products/Cubieboard%20Developer%20Board
[19:44:48] <L84Supper> yeah the a10 is only $6
[19:46:10] <L84Supper> nobody has been able to the get the A10 IO's to respond as quickly as the am3359 PRU
[20:11:51] <Tom_itx> tslot good for routers and plasma etc not so much for mills?
[20:12:39] <r00t4rd3d> i could make a sweet mill out of tslot
[20:12:53] <Tom_itx> not very heavy duty though
[20:14:27] <r00t4rd3d> use cncrp linear carriages and top the tslot with steel flat bar, then it is
[20:31:15] <ssi> I was gonna go that route but the damn cold roll flatbar is expensive :P
[20:31:55] <L84Supper> encase the t-slot in polymerized concrete
[20:32:46] <ssi> Tom_itx: depends what you're milling
[20:33:03] <ssi> I think if you built beefy, you could probably make a machine out of tslot that'd cut aluminum reasonably well
[20:43:33] <Tom_itx> you're thinking gantry style?
[20:48:19] <Valen> you know real linear rails aren't that expensive
[20:48:25] <Valen> i mean they are spendy
[20:48:28] <Valen> but not omg
[20:50:13] <Tom_itx> you don't mean linear steppers?
[20:50:22] <Valen> no, those are OMG ;->
[20:50:24] <Tom_itx> just linear slides
[20:50:26] <Valen> I'd love some
[20:50:28] <Tom_itx> yeah
[20:50:30] <Tom_itx> me too
[20:50:37] <Valen> I was thinking about making some
[20:51:00] <Valen> they need to be huge though to get the torque
[20:51:01] <Tom_itx> i found a single linear slide in the mud rusted at the salvage place
[20:51:04] <Tom_itx> nearly cried
[20:51:07] <Valen> :-<
[20:51:46] <Tom_itx> you're not coming across the pond next month are you?
[20:52:13] <Tom_itx> to the fest
[20:52:18] <Valen> heh no
[20:52:30] <Valen> better things to spend $2000 in airfare on ;->
[20:52:36] <Tom_itx> no doubt
[20:52:43] <Tom_itx> i'll stop by since i live here
[20:52:51] <Tom_itx> but probably wouldn't travel for it
[20:52:52] <Valen> handy
[20:53:13] <Tom_itx> always interesting meeting new ppl
[21:09:07] <PetefromTn> ..
[21:11:03] <Connor> PetefromTn: .. ??
[21:11:13] <PetefromTn> what?
[21:11:28] <Connor> (09:55:23 PM) PetefromTn: ..
[21:11:36] <Connor> ?? What's that?
[21:11:43] <PetefromTn> whats what?
[21:11:51] <PetefromTn> I don't understand..
[21:12:10] <PetefromTn> how ya doing?
[21:12:14] <Connor> I dunno.. You just sent out ".." for a message. :)
[21:12:23] <PetefromTn> to you?
[21:12:44] <Connor> To everyone.
[21:12:51] <PetefromTn> I always do that to ensure I am properly logged on for my own sake.
[21:13:33] <PetefromTn> In fact since I just got my Android phone working with the chat I just had to identify with NickServ on here which is strange..
[21:13:33] <Connor> Have my PDB almost done. Need to make two more parts.. Not happy with the finish of my endmill.. nor am I happy with the tolerances.. It'll work..
[21:13:46] <Connor> That's standard..
[21:13:56] <Connor> Helps keep people from using your alias.
[21:16:30] <Connor> Looks like I'm going to have to get a slightly longer belt.. I think the fan on my treadmill motor is going to rub against the top of the air cylinder.. no biggie.
[21:17:39] <Connor> I'll go from a 41, to a 42 tooth belt.. gain .375"
[21:17:42] <Connor> which is more than enough
[21:19:35] <PetefromTn> Connor: sorry man had to attend to something. Sounds good that you are getting it done.
[21:20:52] <PetefromTn> I have been trying to get this part ready to machine all day since I have no idea how tool setup works with linuxCNC and then I realized that I needed to change the direction of the part as it sits on my machine table since I need to use a substrate aluminum block and the ones I have here are odd sizes
[21:21:33] <PetefromTn> I finally ordered one of those cheaper chinese CNC style 6" vises from Shars earlier as well as a decent edge finder.
[21:22:18] <jdh> does decent mean manual or electronic?
[21:23:45] <PetefromTn> this one is electronic...just a cheapie for now. I blew all my cash on this retrofit and I need to get some paying work before I can dump more money LOL
[21:24:07] <Tom_itx> did you get your tools set?
[21:24:43] <PetefromTn> not yet...Just got them all loaded up
[21:24:56] <Tom_itx> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/index.html
[21:25:04] <PetefromTn> Yeah I know I am slow but my wife and kids have been sick all day so I have not messed with it full tme
[21:25:21] <Tom_itx> read the tool touchoff one
[21:25:35] <Connor> PetefromTn: Which one? CNC style, or normal Milling vise?
[21:25:48] <PetefromTn> CNC style...
[21:25:59] <Connor> I broke all my operations down into separate g-code files.. so that I could Touch off each drill bit..
[21:26:02] <Connor> What a PITA
[21:26:20] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Thanks man I am not a complete newbie and have run CNCs before quite a bit.
[21:26:36] <PetefromTn> but I do not know the procedures for tool table setup in linuxCNC etc.
[21:26:52] <PetefromTn> why would you have to do that?
[21:27:07] <PetefromTn> doesn't linuxCNC just ask you to change tools?
[21:27:10] <Connor> PetefromTn: That link he sent has info on setting up the tool table offsets.
[21:27:16] <Tom_itx> i'm not a noobie either but it was good to know
[21:27:19] <Connor> Yes, but, you can't touch off.
[21:27:30] <Connor> with out stopping and restarting the program.
[21:27:33] <PetefromTn> why would you have to?
[21:27:46] <Tom_itx> it allows you to preset your tool length offsets like you would normally do on any cnc program with multiple tools
[21:27:48] <Connor> Because I only have 1 drill chuck...
[21:27:53] <PetefromTn> can't you just touch off all your tools before you start the program?
[21:28:11] <Tom_itx> that's what i just linked you
[21:28:21] <Connor> Yes, but, I had a milling op, center drill op, and 2 drill ops.
[21:28:26] <Tom_itx> it tells you how to go about doing that
[21:28:26] <PetefromTn> Okay I did not read it that good yet.
[21:28:36] <PetefromTn> Okay thanks man.
[21:28:40] <Tom_itx> that's exactly why i linked it
[21:28:56] <PetefromTn> can't you stick a drill or center drill in a collet or something?
[21:29:19] <Connor> Well.. I have my TTS setup.. so, I would have to change out the collet..
[21:29:46] <Tom_itx> i got some extra mill holders for my sherline so i can preset several tools
[21:30:14] <Connor> I'm going to get a few more drill chucks + TTS shanks.. and some more TTS end mill holders..
[21:30:18] <PetefromTn> the R8?
[21:30:30] <Connor> but, Need to get my PDB finished.. almost done though.
[21:30:49] <PetefromTn> Hell I only have the ten I was so kindly donated to me.
[21:31:07] <PetefromTn> I am gonna have to make it work for awhile again I am PO.
[21:31:48] <Tom_itx> how many jobs do you do that need 10 tools?
[21:32:42] <PetefromTn> I have done a few that had more than that easily.
[21:32:56] <PetefromTn> But mostly it is usually like six or eight.
[21:33:02] <Tom_itx> exactly
[21:33:05] <PetefromTn> The problem is the KIND of toolholders
[21:33:18] <Tom_itx> well that could be a problem
[21:33:21] <PetefromTn> I have some odd sized endmill holders, one ER20 collet holder
[21:33:30] <Connor> What's the standard way of handling Drill bits? Drill Chucks ?
[21:33:41] <Tom_itx> Connor, just depends
[21:33:44] <PetefromTn> and a single drill chuck.
[21:33:48] <Tom_itx> we tried to use collets when we could
[21:33:49] <PetefromTn> In a CNC most folks use collets..
[21:34:18] <Connor> But, most collects won't cover the range of drill bit sizes..
[21:34:25] <Tom_itx> and had some 'pencil' valenite collet holders for small drills
[21:34:42] <Tom_itx> 1/2" shank
[21:34:52] <Tom_itx> to fit a regular holder then you can use small bits
[21:35:07] <Tom_itx> hell i even got one of those for my sherline and cut it off
[21:35:22] <Tom_itx> normally about 6" long i think
[21:36:45] <Connor> Thinking about getting a few of these..
http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1660&category=
[21:37:20] <Connor> http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1659&category=
[21:38:01] <jdh> kind of pricey and runout-y
[21:38:53] <gammax-Laptop1> evening all.
[21:38:56] <Connor> Not as bad as the keyed one..
[21:39:33] <gammax-Laptop1> anyone know if a atx power supply can output 24v?
[21:39:43] <jdh> I think two of them can
[21:40:10] <jdh> there are lots of web articles on making bench power supplies out of atx PSUs
[21:40:18] <PetefromTn_> what the hell...I just got kicked off and then back on..
[21:40:24] <PetefromTn_> what'd I miss..
[21:40:25] <jdh> but, 24v switchers are cheap
[21:40:36] <gammax-Laptop1> irc doesnt like TN
[21:40:53] <PetefromTn_> Neither do I...
[21:40:53] <gammax-Laptop1> jdh a 24v switcher? never heard of it
[21:42:15] <r00t4rd3d> normally you need a ac to dc switching power supply
[21:42:50] <PetefromTn_> ..
[21:43:12] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/24V-15A-360W-DC-Regulated-Switching-Power-Supply-CNC-/140619529451?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20bd93bceb
[21:44:03] <gammax-Laptop1> well i have an atx power supply powering up a few items in my cabinet and one thing I need is 24v for a light mounted to the box...
[21:44:43] <r00t4rd3d> just use 110 light
[21:45:38] <gammax-Laptop1> theres gotta be some way
[21:46:10] <Connor> can't find the runout is on the tormach brand chucks..
[21:47:11] <jdh> run the light off 12v
[21:47:32] <PetefromTn_> You need to buy one of these nice lights everyone on the zone is talking about LOL....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360641859342?var=630113014758&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[21:48:12] <jdh> I could use some of those for outside.
[21:49:08] <PetefromTn_> they are kinda small check the measurements
[21:53:19] <r00t4rd3d> you just gotta fucking link shit like that dont you asshat?
[21:53:37] <Tom_itx> when you paste a link it would be good to add space between it so it's 'clickable'
[21:53:49] <r00t4rd3d> oh no, he is a dbag about it
[21:53:58] <r00t4rd3d> your irc client sucks
[21:54:02] <r00t4rd3d> stfu
[21:55:02] <Tom_itx> who are you raggin on?
[21:55:35] <r00t4rd3d> period boy
[21:55:57] <r00t4rd3d> and his twin sister
[21:56:02] <jdh> you really think he is doing that on purpose just to make it painful?
[21:56:18] <r00t4rd3d> probably
[21:56:22] <Tom_itx> well i don't have to click
[21:56:32] <PetefromTn_> I suppose you are talking about me
[21:56:35] <Tom_itx> so if it's to share, it's not working
[21:56:59] <jdh> Pete: if you paste a url, put a blank space in front.
[21:56:59] <r00t4rd3d> tried to convey that, but was told my irc client sucks
[21:57:10] <Tom_itx> SOB i can't find these holders anymore
[21:57:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah and you got all nasty about it too...just like you did here
[21:57:34] <r00t4rd3d> cause your an asshole about it
[21:57:44] <r00t4rd3d> give and get and all that shit
[21:57:50] <PetefromTn_> whatever you say man...
[21:57:57] <r00t4rd3d> okay man.........
[21:59:40] <PetefromTn_> r00t4rd3d: ya know I am trying to be nice here but you really are getting nasty with me. Let me ask you would you say those things to my face?
[22:00:03] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[22:00:13] <Tom_itx> nice thing about the interweb huh?
[22:00:16] <PetefromTn_> did I say something funny?
[22:00:16] <jdh> geez... it's the interwebbez,lighten up.
[22:00:22] <Tom_itx> i hate social media for that matter
[22:02:56] <PetefromTn_> Just trying to learn here and enjoy some chatting with like minded individuals don't want any grief.
[22:03:16] <r00t4rd3d> i originally asked you nicely to stop linking like that.
[22:03:21] <r00t4rd3d> we have logs here you know
[22:03:34] <r00t4rd3d> would you like me to look it up?
[22:03:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah and If we did I am sure you would be able to read how abrasive you were about it.
[22:03:44] <Tom_itx> the request has been made, let it go
[22:03:54] <Tom_itx> i wasn't abrasive at all
[22:04:05] <jdh> The superfluous periods are annoyingly painful. I just ignore the links.
[22:04:08] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: Wasn't speaking about you.
[22:04:08] <r00t4rd3d> i asked then you told me my irc client sucks
[22:04:44] <r00t4rd3d> ill just go back to ignoring your retarded ass
[22:05:17] <PetefromTn_> that's fine with me.
[22:05:49] <PetefromTn_> jeez I did not realize there were so many annoyed with me here.
[22:06:09] <jdh> not you, just your links!
[22:06:15] <L84Supper> I've been saving up the periods to use to when I run out of umlauts
[22:06:17] <jdh> I just assumed you didn't know.
[22:07:30] <Valen> there is a joke to be made about 50 shades of grey and the author having an Ellipsis key rather than a . key
[22:07:50] <PetefromTn_> That's the point...I didn't know until yesterday when he got nasty about it. Connor told me the links worked fine for him so I figured it was just his chat program that was the problem. When I post links even with the periods they glow blue and are clickable easily.
[22:08:15] <jdh> doesn't work on mine either.
[22:08:22] <GammaX-laptop> anyone ever program a plc?
[22:08:24] <Valen> worked here
[22:08:29] <PetefromTn_> I use the periods often to portray a pause.
[22:08:36] <jdh> and then add a space
[22:08:53] <Valen> i think its safe to say that adding a space harms no one
[22:09:00] <jdh> GammaX: many have, is there a question?
[22:09:04] <Valen> and helps many
[22:09:11] <PetefromTn_> No problem with adding a space.
[22:09:19] <jdh> ok, so moving on...
[22:09:22] <PetefromTn_> Do have a problem with attitude..
[22:09:26] <L84Supper> blah blah blah..... <link> vs blah blah blah.....<link>
[22:09:36] <Tom_itx> ok so 2 pages of scrollback and we have acomplished something
[22:09:38] <jdh> heh
[22:09:47] <jdh> 20 pages for me, I have a 5 line window.
[22:10:01] <PetefromTn_> what is your chat server?
[22:10:09] <Tom_itx> freenode
[22:10:16] <jdh> heh
[22:10:31] <Tom_itx> my client is mirc and xchat
[22:10:32] <jdh> my client is ircII-Epic in a screen(1) session
[22:10:54] <L84Supper> popular chat clients here are xchat and hexchat
[22:11:00] <jdh> 80x25 text window running on a colo box with 4 channels.
[22:11:05] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: Have I pissed you off as well?
[22:11:08] <Valen> pidgin here
[22:11:13] <Tom_itx> no
[22:11:18] <Tom_itx> irc doesn't piss me off
[22:11:24] <Tom_itx> i can walk away easily
[22:11:28] <Valen> jdh: heres me thinking 4 line character LCD
[22:11:32] <PetefromTn_> I am on Quassel on the laptop and Andchat on the phone.
[22:11:39] <Tom_itx> you grow tough skin here
[22:12:00] <jdh> valen: nah, to hard to keep that connected.
[22:12:33] <Valen> thats what "the cloud" is for right?
[22:12:38] <Valen> urgh ;-P
[22:12:56] <jdh> if that's the cloud, I've been using it for 15 years
[22:13:31] <L84Supper> the cloud must be new
[22:14:00] <PetefromTn_> I honestly enjoy chatting here quite a bit. Surprised that the kind of talk we just witnessed is accepted.
[22:14:01] <GammaX-laptop> apparently some guy can get 24v by using the 12v+ and 12v- ...
[22:14:26] <L84Supper> + or - 24V?
[22:14:41] <jdh> Gamma: maybe, but there is very little -24vdc current
[22:14:47] <jdh> err... -12vdc
[22:14:59] <GammaX-laptop> hmmm
[22:15:00] <PetefromTn_> My Cincinatti's original control used a setup like that. + and - 12 volt for 24v.
[22:15:11] <r00t4rd3d> you got 110v right at the back of the power supply
[22:15:23] <GammaX-laptop> PetefromTn_, what kind of talk are you reffering too?
[22:15:33] <r00t4rd3d> tap into those posts and run a normal light
[22:15:51] <GammaX-laptop> I could...it just already mounted lol
[22:15:57] <PetefromTn_> GammaX-laptop: not directed to you man... no worries.
[22:16:08] <jdh> if you just want a light, try running it off 12v or go to 120vac
[22:16:12] <GammaX-laptop> PetefromTn_, just wondering what that was about lol
[22:16:31] <PetefromTn_> It's not worth any further discussion.
[22:16:35] <GammaX-laptop> jdh, 12v is very dim, 120 would blow it up
[22:17:01] <GammaX-laptop> roger.
[22:17:12] <jdh> get a 120vac bulb
[22:17:15] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, it's up to the ops in charge
[22:17:15] <PetefromTn_> You can actually get 12v halogen bulbs in industrial style housings that are typically made for automotive uses.
[22:17:19] <r00t4rd3d> or a regulator
[22:17:30] <GammaX-laptop> hmmm this is true
[22:18:16] <PetefromTn_> I know because I FRIED my nice machinist work lamp in the Cincinatti by assuming it was 110 volts and it was actually 24v.
[22:18:48] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at some 12v units but apparently the style of light you can get in many different voltages including 120vac
[22:19:02] <Tom_itx> andy got some cheap ikea led work lights
[22:19:07] <Tom_itx> $9
[22:19:07] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/110922994222
[22:19:38] <eric_unterhausen> I didn't know you could get 24v lights
[22:19:53] <jdh> tons of industrial 24vdc lighting
[22:19:58] <eric_unterhausen> but I guess it makes sense since most industrial power supplies are 24v
[22:20:29] <GammaX-laptop> 10 bucks aint bad but im trying not to fill up cabinet any more than I have too lol already to much crap in it.
[22:21:01] <Tom_itx> anybody else use valenite tooling?
[22:21:04] <GammaX-laptop> I do need to find a power switch for the side of my box... any thoughts?
[22:21:28] <eric_unterhausen> Tom_itx I use whatever is cheapest
[22:21:50] <Tom_itx> well i'm just trying to see if this holder is still made and having trouble locating it
[22:22:11] <eric_unterhausen> those things can be tricky
[22:22:13] <eric_unterhausen> lathe?
[22:22:21] <Tom_itx> no it's a pencil collet holder
[22:22:33] <Tom_itx> 1/2" diameter
[22:23:18] <eric_unterhausen> so you don't know what series collets?
[22:23:20] <Valen> we just got some 12V LED strip and put it around the place
[22:23:30] <Tom_itx> yeah i probably have a pn for it
[22:23:42] <L84Supper> http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/WALDMANN-Task-Light-6PYH2 possibly the worlds most over-priced task lamp
[22:24:16] <jdh> L84: we have tons of those, 120vac though
[22:24:31] <eric_unterhausen> ya, industrial stuff is expensive
[22:24:46] <eric_unterhausen> price outlet strips sometime
[22:25:05] <jdh> nice lights though.
[22:25:30] <Tom_L> did kennametal buy them out?
[22:25:34] <L84Supper> it's an LED strip light in a channel 24" long
[22:26:44] <GammaX-laptop> im trying also to look for 4 inch bore cylinders almost the exact same thing as the tormach one.
[22:26:47] <jdh> and that's just one strip.
[22:26:59] <eric_unterhausen> have been thinking about getting led strip lighting from amazon
[22:27:34] <GammaX-laptop> eric_unterhausen, for what?
[22:27:53] <tjtr33> the auto stuff? ( the stuff under cars and in wheel wells)?
[22:27:54] <eric_unterhausen> under-cabinet lighting
[22:28:03] <GammaX-laptop> ahhh
[22:28:13] <eric_unterhausen> but it would be cool inside the rack for my mill
[22:28:23] <eric_unterhausen> my last light caught on fire
[22:28:38] <eric_unterhausen> ok, I didn't see that part, but the switch is melted
[22:29:58] <GammaX-laptop> i would love to have angled lights on the head of my mill...
[22:30:49] <eric_unterhausen> I have a nice machine light
[22:31:17] <eric_unterhausen> actually, 2, the one supplied by bport was pretty nice if I take all the crud off the glass
[22:33:45] <L84Supper> http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb47/rtremaine/milling_machine.jpg I still have the original one from 1960 on one that looks like this
[22:34:35] <eric_unterhausen> ya, I have one of those, but my mill is bigger so it's more to scale
[22:36:27] <tjtr33> machine light
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/08/03/machine-light-by-fra.html :)
[22:37:18] <tjtr33> oh yeah
http://www.frankbuchwald.de/series/index_eng.html
[22:40:27] <PetefromTn_> Those are really beautiful.
[22:44:32] <tjtr33> and of course one of the 1st animations from pixar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46mcpqOVN08
[22:44:38] <Tecan> (46mcpqOVN08) "Luxo Jr. - Pixar" by "Jonathan Silva" is "Film" - Length: 0:02:23
[22:58:37] <GammaX-laptop> anyone have some extra mesa stuff they wanna sell?
[23:00:14] <Tom_itx> i bet pcw does
[23:01:10] <GammaX-laptop> whos that?
[23:01:22] <Tom_itx> he works at mesa
[23:03:03] <Tom_itx> i think for the most part ppl tend to hang on to their mesa stuff
[23:04:07] <L84Supper> the mesa boards are also pretty low priced compared to many industrial control boards
[23:05:22] <r00t4rd3d> 89 for a 5i25
[23:05:58] <L84Supper> dollars!
[23:06:03] <GammaX-laptop> L84Supper, yeah i know im just super poor right now
[23:06:24] <r00t4rd3d> super poor but building a cnc
[23:06:26] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[23:06:47] <r00t4rd3d> not a good combo
[23:06:50] <L84Supper> GammaX-laptop: look for deals on fleabay
[23:07:02] <GammaX-laptop> yeah i know
[23:07:11] <GammaX-laptop> its already built just wanna add stuff to them
[23:07:18] <GammaX-laptop> and i need to buy metal
[23:28:32] <r00t4rd3d> i need to buy a boat
[23:31:55] <Tecan> buy one you can pull fat people with
[23:44:41] <GammaX-laptop> anyone know a good source for bayonet style led's?
[23:45:56] <L84Supper> China for just about anything electronic parts related
[23:46:26] <GammaX-laptop> well... a website lol even a china direct one
[23:46:47] <L84Supper> if it's 12V then automotive tends to have the lowest prices due to volume
[23:48:10] <GammaX-laptop> 120v
[23:48:28] <GammaX-laptop> im thinkin about making my own... it would just be ghetto...
[23:49:12] <L84Supper> http://www.ledandon.com/accessories/LD-2782-115.html?gclid=CMfqodGgkrcCFVSVMgodtk8AIw
[23:49:22] <L84Supper> http://www.lightexports.com/servlet/the-2858/UltraLED-Bayonet-BA9S-LED/Detail
[23:52:46] <L84Supper> http://www.lightbulbsurplus.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=622_52_606_608
[23:54:18] <GammaX-laptop> need a dual bayonet :/
[23:54:24] <GammaX-laptop> good sites though thanks!
