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[00:21:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://ignitelighters.com/ignite-electra.html
[00:22:13] <r00t4rd3d> usb lighter
[00:23:12] <r00t4rd3d> http://ignitelighters.com/ignite-elite.html
[00:23:49] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna get that
[00:29:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ignite-Elite-USB-Lighter-/171015874229?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27d15726b5
[00:49:49] <RootB> hey linuxCNC, anyone here with PCB milling experience
[01:32:49] <r00t4rd3d> plenty here but they all sleeping
[01:33:51] <r00t4rd3d> from 11pm to 8am eastern time it is not very active around here
[01:57:28] <DJ9DJ> good morning
[02:14:06] <archivist> RootB, never ask what experiences peope have in irc ask the real question giving real error messages so people can actually help
[02:40:43] <Gamma-x> I think im switching my 570 steppers to 1200 nema 24...
[02:40:46] <Gamma-x> 32*
[02:40:50] <Gamma-x> 34* damn
[02:43:42] <Valen> and?
[02:49:10] <Gamma-x> Valen, just felt like sharing... the rf45 does seem to be moving aswell with them..
[02:49:33] <Gamma-x> Valen, was it you who had the hardinge hc with cnc?
[03:14:38] <Valen> nope just a 45 for me
[03:17:08] <Valen> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL04F6B774F23F6873
[03:17:22] <Valen> but servos with glass scales
[03:18:47] <Valen> made this Gamma-x http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/milled-pcb-for-spinzster.jpg
[03:19:26] <Gamma-x> valen i just mounted my belt drive
[03:19:34] <Gamma-x> will be selling some kits soon if interested.
[03:19:47] <Valen> kits for what?
[03:20:24] <Gamma-x> 45
[03:20:34] <Valen> to do what?
[03:21:12] <Gamma-x> i forgot you have that crazy spindle thing lol
[03:21:38] <Gamma-x> you have steppers or servos?
[03:21:47] <Valen> servos running off glass scales
[03:22:04] <Gamma-x> nice!
[03:22:26] <Gamma-x> the kit I have lets the 4r mill run at 9k rpm
[03:22:43] <Valen> pshaw
[03:22:47] <Valen> 24Krpm ;->
[03:23:41] <Gamma-x> lol how do you hold end mills in it?
[03:23:51] <Valen> collet chuck
[03:23:57] <Gamma-x> chick type
[03:24:09] <Gamma-x> which*
[03:24:10] <Valen> ER12 i think?
[03:24:17] <Valen> something like that anyway
[03:24:58] <Gamma-x> I think I need more bellevilles on my spindle... my er32 collet is getting pulled out... granted this is on a 2 inch side cut on wood...
[03:25:01] <Gamma-x> tested it today firs ttime
[03:32:42] <DJ9DJ> re
[06:43:53] <carper64_lb> morning gents
[06:45:33] <micges> hi
[06:46:48] <carper64_lb> oh is a typical rainy uk day
[06:51:31] <jthornton> weird, the forum seems to be working today
[06:55:35] <carper64_lb> they have all maybe gone to work for a rest
[06:55:51] <carper64_lb> yep
[06:56:15] <carper64_lb> its been down for 2 days i think or at least
[06:56:26] <carper64_lb> a bit hit and miss
[07:15:09] <PetefromTn> mmmmornin'....
[07:16:45] <carper64_lb> morning
[07:18:19] <L84Supper> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM2Nzg Ubuntu To Get Its Own Package Format, App Installer
[07:18:32] <L84Supper> get ready for more fun with Ubuntu
[07:30:08] <PetefromTn> I never understand all that techno babble....sigh.
[07:41:49] <carper64_lb> yep just as i almost get my lathe sorted software wise looks like more screw ps on the way
[07:41:58] <carper64_lb> ups
[07:45:20] <PetefromTn> huh?
[07:46:46] <carper64_lb> all these changes that are coming to ubuntu
[07:56:59] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt they will effect the version we use
[07:59:08] <cradek> just what the world needs, a new package manager that doesn't handle dependencies
[08:19:57] <r00t4rd3d> align the forces and ditch ubuntu
[08:20:35] <r00t4rd3d> just use debian
[08:22:36] <r00t4rd3d> ubuntu's user base is full of fucking retards so i doubt their package manager really wont be able to handle dependencies.
[08:24:11] <jdh> you are a Gentoo Fan?
[08:24:25] <r00t4rd3d> i hate everything
[08:24:27] <timholum> does anyone know if there are any functional linuxcnc machine's running on an arm processor? I would love to have my beaglebone be the heart of a cnc machine, but Last I looked ( 6 months to a year ago ) I could not find any way to get a real time kernel
[08:25:13] <Daywalker198454> hello together... i have a problem. i want linuxcnc to use a second parport but i think linux doesnt load it...
[08:25:40] <jdh> timholum: afaik, a bbb version is in progress
[08:26:00] <jdh> and runnable with some effort
[08:26:07] <r00t4rd3d> Daywalker198454, how did you add the 2nd parport?
[08:26:33] <r00t4rd3d> a cheap pci card?
[08:26:47] <Daywalker198454> just pushed in a free pci slot... normaly i use windows :P
[08:26:55] <Daywalker198454> new on linux
[08:26:56] <timholum> adh: Thanks for the info, do you know where I could download the devel version?
[08:27:02] <timholum> for beaglebone
[08:27:43] <Daywalker198454> under windows no problem
[08:27:46] <PetefromTn> timholum: I think that SSi here is working on the bone setup for linuxCNC
[08:28:04] <timholum> I think I found a wiki page for it, I will give that a shot
[08:28:10] <timholum> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Debian_Wheezy_Linux-Rt_Compile_LinuxCNC#BeagleBone_ARM_Install
[08:29:33] <jdh> timholum: also: http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg43233.html
[08:30:06] <r00t4rd3d> Daywalker198454, do you know how to open a terminal?
[08:30:23] <r00t4rd3d> lspci and see if the card is listed would be a start
[08:30:23] <timholum> Perfict, I think with this info I should be able to get something working :)
[08:30:52] <Daywalker198454> one moment i will try
[08:30:59] <r00t4rd3d> im dont think any ole pci parport card will work either
[08:31:39] <r00t4rd3d> with cnc stuff
[08:31:46] <r00t4rd3d> with a printer, maybe
[08:31:50] <jdh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/18917-faq-pci-parallel-port-cards
[08:32:17] <Daywalker198454> 01:0a.0 Communication controller: NetMos Technology PCI 1 port parallel adapter
[08:32:53] <r00t4rd3d> linux sees it then
[08:33:12] <jdh> see the above URL for pport
[08:33:16] <Daywalker198454> but linux cnc not... adress is c800
[08:33:51] <jdh> do lspci -vv instad
[08:34:41] <jdh> and this for help with what port used by netmos: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NetMos
[08:36:39] <r00t4rd3d> or just get a mesa card
[08:36:41] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[08:36:54] <r00t4rd3d> and bug pcw_home for support :D
[08:37:38] <Daywalker198454> first wanted to test step / Dir servos with linearencoder feedback at lowspeed
[08:37:46] <Daywalker198454> the mesa :)
[08:37:56] <r00t4rd3d> you have a mesa?
[08:38:09] <Daywalker198454> not yet
[08:38:12] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[08:38:55] <Daywalker198454> got one pci parallelcard lying here around an wanted to test linux cnc
[08:39:17] <Daywalker198454> with linear scales
[08:39:25] <Daywalker198454> to do pos. feedback
[08:40:34] <Daywalker198454> did the lspci -vv
[08:41:15] <jdh> does step/dir + feedback do anything useful other than generate following errors?
[08:41:16] <Daywalker198454> but what is the adress of the 1st and what for the 2nd parallelport
[08:41:48] <jdh> Day: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NetMos
[08:42:02] <Daywalker198454> just want to know linuxcnc to know the real tablepos
[08:42:48] <jdh> and use it for error generation, or just for DRO like things?
[08:43:32] <r00t4rd3d> does he need to define the hardware address of both parports some place?
[08:43:54] <jdh> yes, it is in the above link
[08:44:35] <Daywalker198454> i a real noob in linux installed it the first time
[08:45:30] <Daywalker198454> i think linux didnt start the 2nd parport
[08:45:34] <r00t4rd3d> lshw in a terminal should list the onboard parport addess
[08:45:45] <r00t4rd3d> address
[08:52:20] <Daywalker198454> can i copy the result to this board?
[08:53:26] <JT-Shop> use pastebin
[08:53:54] <Daywalker198454> pastebin
[08:53:56] <jdh> InterSorb is $119.00 from DGE
[08:53:59] <jdh> <urk>
[08:54:07] <JT-Shop> pastebin.com
[08:54:14] <JT-Shop> then post the link
[08:54:20] <Daywalker198454> thx
[08:55:31] <Daywalker198454> http://pastebin.com/axiJQnvh
[09:02:20] <Daywalker198454> r00t4rd3d is the link working?
[09:04:08] <jdh> did you try using the addresses listed?
[09:04:19] <jdh> one at a time? I'd start with c800
[09:06:10] <Daywalker198454> made a new stepconf.. with 0x378 everything is ok
[09:06:47] <Daywalker198454> then new stepconf.. with 0xc800
[09:07:00] <Daywalker198454> ill try one more time
[09:08:45] <Daywalker198454> 0x378 is the onboard
[09:09:48] <Daywalker198454> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0xc800 out " doesnt work
[09:11:54] <Daywalker198454> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0xc400 out " doesnt work
[09:12:01] <Nick001> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 0xc800 out" no spaces to the "
[09:12:25] <Nick001> that will give you both parports
[09:13:23] <Nick001> or loadrt hal_parport cfg= 0xc800 out no"s if just 1 parport
[09:13:56] <Daywalker198454> ill try one moment
[09:15:32] <Daywalker198454> loadrt hal_parport cfg= 0xc800 out doesnt work
[09:16:29] <Nick001> did you try loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 0xc800 out"
[09:16:39] <syyl_> [1527:36] <jdh> does step/dir + feedback do anything useful other than generate following errors?
[09:16:44] <syyl_> i run steppers with linearscales
[09:16:47] <syyl_> with no problem
[09:17:29] <Daywalker198454> i think i have to set up a new stepconf
[09:19:33] <PetefromTn> Well just been working with Mike Kilroy on my spindle drive setup. He is the GURU about these Cincinatti Spindle motors... He got my setup working pretty good over email now. Crazy motor setup on these machines. 270v 5.5kw 7.5 HP 12,000 RPM motor max speed and 50 hz. Not your typical motor I guess...
[09:20:45] <Daywalker198454> i have to try again later.. @ Nick001 no success on your last hint...
[09:21:25] <Daywalker198454> do i have to activate the 2nd parport in linux 1st???
[09:21:41] <Nick001> how did you get the c800
[09:22:16] <Daywalker198454> http://pastebin.com/axiJQnvh
[09:22:57] <Nick001> what do you get with lspci vv
[09:25:00] <Daywalker198454> http://pastebin.com/vFqdf16W
[09:26:20] <Gigs-> You guys know where one could get a comprehensive coil spring assortment without paying an insane amount?
[09:27:17] <Gigs-> ideally like 1 foot long pieces of spring stock in a bunch of common diameters and various weights, up to .750 diameter or so
[09:28:27] <L84Supper> northern tool, harbor freight
[09:28:38] <L84Supper> https://www.centuryspring.com/products/assortments.php
[09:28:40] <Gigs-> yeah I have one of those, pretty limited
[09:28:48] <Gigs-> the HF type I mean
[09:29:43] <L84Supper> http://www.ajaxwire.com/springassortlink.html
[09:30:04] <Gigs-> brownells sells this nice tube of compression spring stock but it's all small sizes
[09:30:23] <L84Supper> http://www.fastenal.com/web/products?searchmode=&rfqXref=&rfqKeyword=&rfqId=&rfqLineId=&r=~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600206%20Hardware%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22608834%20Spring%20Products%22|~%20~|categoryl4:%22604577%20Spring%20Assortments%22|~
[09:30:37] <Gigs-> I do know how to use google. Thanks though :P
[09:30:56] <Gigs-> did you see the prices on those at fastenal?
[09:31:03] <Gigs-> there's like a 10 million percent markup
[09:31:43] <L84Supper> quit whinin an git a googlin :)
[09:31:59] <Gigs-> I've already googled, I didn't find much
[09:32:14] <Nick001> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 0xcc008 out" sometimes you have to try one of the other addresses
[09:32:31] <Nick001> in the list
[09:32:38] <Gigs-> there's the harbor frieght type stuff for like $5 but very limited, or the fastenal type which are more specific and cost $100 times more
[09:33:35] <pcw_home> No Springs!
[09:33:48] <L84Supper> where can I find a hat I can wear so I can lose pounds and inches while earning money while I sleep?
[09:34:08] <Gigs-> If you are making fun of me I don't think my request is unreasonable
[09:34:30] <Gigs-> springs cost a fraction of a cent to make, probably less than bolts, but it's pretty easy to have a fully stocked cabinet of every common bolt size
[09:34:45] <L84Supper> the point is you might be looking for something that isn't available
[09:34:56] <Gigs-> that's why I asked some guys that might know
[09:35:31] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Only kind of hat that I can think of which might suit that requirement would turn you into a pulp fiction character.
[09:35:37] <pcw_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_mE8wKRcQc
[09:35:38] <Tecan> (7_mE8wKRcQc) "A Case of Spring Fever" by "jeeves4567" is "Comedy" - Length: 0:08:20
[09:35:39] <Gigs-> I wonder how hard it is to make a spring making machine hehe
[09:36:40] <GammaX> mornin all
[09:37:10] <GammaX> gigs, how its made can show you....
[09:37:24] <Gigs-> yeah I've seen that one
[09:37:37] <Gigs-> here's a little machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToHlRZuXq1Q
[09:37:37] <Tecan> (ToHlRZuXq1Q) "RH Automatic spring coiling machine" by "squarelizzy" is "People" - Length: 0:02:26
[09:38:28] <L84Supper> pcw_home: I miss MST3K
[09:40:52] <L84Supper> FinboySlick: https://blog.conformal.com/btcd-a-bitcoind-alternative-written-in-go/
[09:41:07] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Yeah, I caught that this morning.
[09:41:32] <GammaX> does anyone here ACTUALLY use granite blocks?
[09:42:04] <GammaX> thinkin this might be a good deal.... http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/tls/3731759370.html
[09:42:09] <L84Supper> we pour our own polymer granite
[09:43:15] <Gigs-> http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-your-own-springs-in-seconds/
[09:43:25] <L84Supper> a deal if you're nearby, Shars has good prices on new, but I can drive over and pick them up, I'd hate to see the shipping costs
[09:44:20] <Gigs-> if you don't want to wade through his crappy video, he just winds them on a rod in a hand drill
[09:44:49] <Gigs-> uses keystock for spacing to make compression, winds it straight on for extension
[09:44:56] <JT-Shop> YIPPIE only one more shaft adapter to broach
[09:45:20] <L84Supper> GammaX: http://www.shars.com/product_categories/view/5100102/Precision_Black_Granite_Surface_Plates_Grade_A
[09:45:24] <GammaX> whats up JT-Shop
[09:45:32] <Gigs-> what's polymer granite L84Supper
[09:45:33] <JT-Shop> making machines
[09:45:56] <GammaX> L84Supper lol those are good deals!
[09:46:06] <L84Supper> Gigs-: polymer + stone composite
[09:46:10] <GammaX> although his comes with a stand and I may be able to trade for it...
[09:46:28] <Gigs-> L84Supper: for walkways/flooring?
[09:46:44] <L84Supper> Gigs-: machine bases
[09:47:07] <Gigs-> neat
[09:47:35] <GammaX> JT-Shop you say your making machines??
[09:47:47] <generic_nick|2> morning
[09:47:48] <JT-Shop> yep, it is what I do for a living
[09:48:01] <GammaX> JT-Shop if u dont mindfme askin,. what kinda machines?
[09:49:32] <L84Supper> Gigs-: Valen has a howto http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general_metal_working_machines/118358-phenolic_basalt_head_hm45.html
[09:49:48] <GammaX> L84Supper you ever use a granite block?
[09:50:20] <generic_nick|2> does anyone know of a good optical sensor that i can use to make a disk encoder?
[09:50:41] <generic_nick|2> i want to make a disk encoder for my spindle on my mill
[09:50:48] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 i do!
[09:51:04] <GammaX> http://www.ebay.com/itm/320968554164?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[09:51:12] <generic_nick|2> thanks!
[09:51:37] <GammaX> dependson the route you wanna go... this one points striaght forward if you want one to look up....
[09:52:02] <GammaX> actually just type in omron ee into ebay and it will give you a pleather of choices
[09:52:33] <generic_nick|2> cool
[09:52:54] <generic_nick|2> i was planning on machining a disk with a bunch of slots in it all the way around
[09:53:04] <GammaX> ill be using one on mine, just have to darken the inside of the splines on my rf45 spindle and polish the outer edges...
[09:53:24] <JT-Shop> GammaX: factory automation
[09:53:46] <GammaX> JT-Shop can you show an example?
[09:55:42] <generic_nick|2> i need 3 of those i assume, 1 each for a,b, and index?
[09:56:04] <generic_nick|2> is index even needed for rigid tapping?
[09:56:11] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 what you putting this on?
[09:56:20] <generic_nick|2> my mill's spindle
[09:56:29] <GammaX> well rigid tapping will need one on spindle.
[09:56:47] <GammaX> you said 3 of them though?
[09:56:53] <generic_nick|2> im just asking
[09:57:03] <generic_nick|2> didnt know if it needed a,b, and z
[09:57:05] <GammaX> well... im gonna be using just 1.
[09:57:27] <GammaX> what kind of system is this going on?
[09:57:43] <generic_nick|2> system?
[09:58:01] <GammaX> what type of machine generic_nick|2
[09:58:02] <generic_nick|2> just on the spindle of my mill running emc
[09:58:09] <generic_nick|2> shizuoka
[09:58:21] <GammaX> got any photos of spindle area?
[09:58:32] <generic_nick|2> not off hand
[09:59:14] <generic_nick|2> i was just going to machine a disk to mount on the spindle up near the pulley
[09:59:26] <generic_nick|2> tons of room after i ditched the varidrive
[10:00:28] <jdh> I dont' think that woudl be a great sensor for a slotted disk
[10:01:01] <generic_nick|2> not even slots that dont go through and i paint the insides black?
[10:01:21] <jdh> that might work
[10:01:28] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 I think it would be great with great reliability.
[10:02:41] <GammaX> if you can take out the spindle if you precision grind some splines on it and then mount the omron to thatarea. no need for a disc at all.
[10:02:48] <generic_nick|2> have you figured out how many ppr at a given rpm it can handle
[10:03:12] <GammaX> that or clamp on like an aluminum coupler with your slots already cut on it.
[10:03:24] <jdh> you could get a spline sensor and not use a disc
[10:03:25] <generic_nick|2> the disk would be way easier....
[10:03:57] <GammaX> jdh thats what im trying to do with my omron.
[10:04:31] <generic_nick|2> there are no splines, i need something big enough in diameter to clear a part of the spindle or ill have to make a big bracket, and the disk is easier
[10:05:49] <GammaX> jdh DO YOU HAVE THAT SETUP WITH THE SPLINES?
[10:05:59] <jdh> NO!
[10:06:21] <FinboySlick> I DON'T EITHER! ;)
[10:06:32] <GammaX> lol why so hostile man...
[10:07:09] <JT-Shop> would you guys quit hollering I'm trying to take a nap
[10:07:14] <JT-Shop> GammaX: http://imagebin.org/257088
[10:07:18] <generic_nick|2> WHY IS EVERYONE YELLING!
[10:07:23] <PetefromTn> snicker snicker../
[10:07:48] <JT-Shop> some parts for 7 automatics I'm making http://imagebin.org/257089
[10:07:49] <GammaX> LOUD NOISESSS!!!!!
[10:07:57] <JT-Shop> dang that is fuzzy
[10:08:12] <GammaX> JT-Shop Looks great!
[10:08:25] <generic_nick|2> JT-Shop: your press runs on ethernet?
[10:08:56] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Don't mention automatics, you'll wake up our local ATF agent.
[10:08:58] <GammaX> haha I just noticed that
[10:10:31] <JT-Shop> yea, I can surf the internet while pressing parts
[10:11:06] <L84Supper> POE = power over ethernet
[10:11:28] <Jymmm> 48V press huh?
[10:11:31] <pcw_home> Purity Of Essence
[10:12:06] <L84Supper> 48, 49 whatever it takes
[10:12:22] <GammaX> does poe realy put out 48v?!
[10:12:38] <Jymmm> up to 48
[10:12:52] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet
[10:12:54] <GammaX> damn... thats good to know...
[10:13:18] <GammaX> does linuxcnc have capability of controlling a usb based break out board for a stepper system?
[10:13:37] <Jymmm> nope
[10:14:28] <jdh> you have to have a POE injector
[10:14:29] <GammaX> damn
[10:17:29] <pcw_home> Running LinuxCNC with a remote USB controller has been done
[10:17:31] <pcw_home> but it fragments the RT portion of LinuxCNC
[10:17:32] <pcw_home> (this may be addressed in the future with MachineKit that runs
[10:17:34] <pcw_home> all of the RT parts of LinuxNC on the remote device)
[10:18:21] <FinboySlick> The MachineKit concept seems promising.
[10:18:58] <Jymmm> MachineKit ???
[10:19:30] <GammaX> anyone have sonme larger nema 34 steppers there lookin to sell?
[10:20:19] <Jymmm> pcw_home: MachineKit ???
[10:20:55] <pcw_home> at the minimum the remote device probably needs fast floating point,
[10:20:57] <pcw_home> sufficient memory for HAL, Motion,Task,and a communication method
[10:20:59] <pcw_home> which may rule out a number of existing USB stepgen/IO devices
[10:21:01] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop: what the hell are those things?
[10:21:35] <GammaX> Also annyone running a Hitachi sj200 vfd?
[10:21:56] <PetefromTn> sorry WJ200...
[10:22:00] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: (industrial sex toys)
[10:22:03] <generic_nick|2> ok time to plan my shop layout. and figure out how im going to move my mill....
[10:22:10] <PetefromTn> LOL....smartass.
[10:22:31] <PetefromTn> I thought all CNC's were industrial sex toys LOL
[10:22:32] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: you would think, but Noooooooooooooooooo
[10:22:43] <GammaX> PetefromTn should be closenough... you running it with linuxcnc?
[10:22:50] <PetefromTn> yuppers
[10:23:16] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: servo motors, gear boxes, linear slides, bits and pieces
[10:23:27] <GammaX> PetefromTn classic ladder or someother way?
[10:23:54] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Here, watch some CNC pr0n http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qHR_H_2cg
[10:23:54] <Tecan> (A_qHR_H_2cg) "CTX gamma 2000 TC" by "GILDEMEISTERTV" is "Tech" - Length: 0:08:58
[10:24:33] <PetefromTn> Right now I have not gotten to the toolchanger still working on the basic three axis system and spindle control with linuxCNC...gotta get my spindle encoder installed before I can rigid tap and index for toolchange...
[10:25:20] <JT-Shop> when they are done they go on an assembly line to lift and rotate pallets (not the kind for shipping) as needed to present the correct side of the engine to the automatic assembly machines
[10:25:45] <PetefromTn> SWEET....you are not new at this then Right LOL
[10:26:10] <PetefromTn> CNC porn is GOOD PORN....shiny stuff...drool.
[10:27:27] <generic_nick|2> hmmm maybe i can put an anchor in my floor and use a snatchblock with a winch to pull the mill
[10:28:36] <Jymmm> generic_nick|2: get yourself 5-10 1/4" steel rods. use them as "rollers"
[10:28:55] <PetefromTn> ya know I watch that multi axis machine video and think to myself......jeez man I can think of about a hundred ways to crash the crap out of that monster LOL...
[10:29:11] <generic_nick|2> too heavy to lift, and it wont roll without mechanical help
[10:29:12] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 id go for rolling and eth an electric or hand crnk winc
[10:29:42] <generic_nick|2> it's a 7000lb mill
[10:30:25] <GammaX> craigslistmight have a guy offeriung forklift service
[10:30:40] <generic_nick|2> no, cant do that here
[10:30:45] <PetefromTn> I have moved several heavy machines using steel small diameter pipes as rollers...
[10:31:34] <generic_nick|2> ive moved this machine tons of times, it's a knee mill and rollers are a PITA
[10:32:05] <PetefromTn> yeah they are but they work and are cheap. You can go rent some machine skates if you want. Or build some...
[10:33:09] <generic_nick|2> na i want an anchor in the floor for pulling broken vehicles into my driveway anyways
[10:33:24] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m01VGiNPI
[10:33:26] <GammaX> I just moved my hardnge hc with full cnc hookup n it with a engine hoiust... omg. nversin
[10:33:35] <GammaX> never again*!
[10:33:38] <generic_nick|2> lol
[10:33:49] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: thanks, I've been doing this for some time yes
[10:33:51] <generic_nick|2> i just push my hnc around by hand
[10:34:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: (2 weeks)
[10:34:11] <generic_nick|2> i spray some furniture polish on the floor and it slides easy
[10:34:23] <GammaX> yeah after the engine hoist thing I bought somerealy heavyduty castersand vwa!
[10:35:32] <generic_nick|2> if my jeep was lower, id put a long bar in my front trailer hitch and push the mill with it in 4 low
[10:35:47] <generic_nick|2> but it's too high and may tip it over
[10:36:48] <PetefromTn> let the air outta the tires LOL...
[10:37:05] <generic_nick|2> lol thought about that, but airing back up takes forever
[10:37:07] <ssi> morn folks
[10:37:13] <generic_nick|2> morning
[10:38:33] <JT-Shop> generic_nick|2: http://gnipsel.com/shop/unload-308/unload-308-09.xhtml
[10:39:34] <generic_nick|2> nice JT-Shop
[10:39:51] <generic_nick|2> if i only had a backhoe lol
[10:40:35] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 its quite somple...
[10:40:44] <ssi> jdh: re stepdir+encoders, you can run stepgens in velocity mode and do full servo
[10:41:23] <GammaX> PetefromTn how is your vfd hooked up?
[10:42:16] <JT-Shop> generic_nick|2: they do come in handy if you don't have a tree near by
[10:43:22] <generic_nick|2> i bet.
[10:43:54] <generic_nick|2> i think after i move my shop i may try and sell my house and move somewhere where i actually have room for a backhoe
[10:44:04] <generic_nick|2> or at least a tree for that matter
[10:45:31] <ssi> what's the backhoe weigh?
[10:45:40] <ssi> heaviest thing I have is my forklift, and it's only 8000lb
[10:45:45] <GammaX> how would one possiy load these files? http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/sj200rtu-ft/
[10:46:10] <L84Supper> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/3792487926.html Wadkin L.Q. Mill Recessing Machine
[10:47:32] <generic_nick|2> wish i could remember where the place was that recycles titanium
[10:51:17] <JT-Shop> ssi: 12,500 if I'm not on it
[10:51:40] <ssi> awshit, that means you need a type rating for it :P
[10:53:00] <ssi> wait, wait no
[10:53:16] <ssi> The requirement for a type rating is limited to large (greater than 12,500 lbs MGTOW)
[10:53:22] <ssi> that means 12,501 requires a type rating
[10:53:26] <ssi> 12,500 doesn't :D
[10:53:38] <ssi> I can never remember which side of the fencepost it falls on
[10:56:19] <JT-Shop> what's a type rating?
[10:56:33] <ssi> sorry, stupid pilot jokes
[10:56:50] <JT-Shop> ok, I'm with you now
[10:56:50] <ssi> type rating is a special certificate that you have to hold in order to fly a particular type of aircraft
[10:56:59] <ssi> every aircraft over 12,5 requires one
[10:57:15] <ssi> but the key word there is "over"
[10:57:17] <JT-Shop> biggest I ever flew was a Cessna 310
[10:57:27] <JT-Shop> dunno what it weighed
[10:57:35] <JT-Shop> it was my Dads
[10:57:45] <ssi> there's lots of planes where they intentionally set the GTOW at 12,500 even though it could technically be higher, just to avoid having to be typed in it
[10:57:49] <ssi> a 310 is about 4k GTOW
[10:58:03] <ssi> 4600 actually
[10:58:05] <JT-Shop> IIRC a slick sombeach when pointed downhill
[10:58:06] <ssi> 2850 empty
[10:58:19] <ssi> 12,5 is a BIG airplane
[10:58:23] <ssi> or a small bulldozer :)
[10:58:30] <JT-Shop> yea, it gives me some scale now
[10:58:38] <JT-Shop> I need a small dozer
[10:59:25] <ssi> I need to get a trailer that I can put my forklift on
[10:59:30] <ssi> and also move machinery with
[10:59:54] <ssi> I figure a 12klb rated trailer would do it
[11:00:01] <ssi> the trailer itself will weigh 3k or so
[11:00:23] <ssi> but the ramp for the forklift is the hard part
[11:00:37] <ssi> it's solid tire :(
[11:01:09] <JT-Shop> yea, they are hard to load without a dock
[11:01:23] <ssi> rollback would be nice :P
[11:01:27] <ssi> but a bit out of my price range
[11:01:31] <JT-Shop> the local rental place has a drop bed trailer for the hard tire forklifts
[11:01:44] <r00t4rd3d> I have OSHA forklift certification :)
[11:01:51] <ssi> not me
[11:01:54] <ssi> I'm thoroughly unsafe
[11:01:57] <r00t4rd3d> not that its hard to get
[11:02:09] <generic_nick|2> i remember some joker who came to buy a mill from me tried loading a forklift on some old ass wood deck trailer and it fell through
[11:02:15] <ssi> we used to have drunken parties and I'd put five or six people on a pallet and raise them eight feet in the air and do donuts
[11:02:21] <r00t4rd3d> i use to load tractor trailers, had to get it.
[11:02:31] <ssi> OSHA BE DAMNED
[11:03:39] <generic_nick|2> ssi, we just lift my jeep up when we get drunk around the forklift. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8263/8705860068_1a4372a41f_c.jpg
[11:03:51] <ssi> :D
[11:04:27] <ssi> I call this "extreme bicycle maintenance"
[11:04:28] <ssi> http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/426109_808473680812_1170623857_n.jpg
[11:04:28] <r00t4rd3d> friends dont let friends drink and lift
[11:04:56] <JT-Shop> suspension travel... check
[11:05:11] <r00t4rd3d> dont ever drive that thing in the mud
[11:05:28] <ssi> the lift? I dropped one wheel off the driveway once
[11:05:31] <ssi> that was an adventure
[11:05:41] <FinboySlick> That suspension has so much travel, it suffers jetlag.
[11:05:47] <r00t4rd3d> i got one like that buried in 1 inch of mud
[11:05:56] <L84Supper> http://www.discountramps.com/bicycle-work-stand.htm?CAWELAID=1374132353&catargetid=1389811204&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CPuMhr-wibcCFfFDMgoduQQAYg
[11:05:56] <r00t4rd3d> tow truck had to come pull it out
[11:05:57] <generic_nick|2> dont drive the jeep in the mud? i actually dont, i hate mud.
[11:06:23] <generic_nick|2> working on a muddy jeep sucks.....
[11:06:24] <L84Supper> bike stands are for sissies
[11:07:12] <generic_nick|2> FinboySlick: yea it's a bit much, want intended lol
[11:07:23] <r00t4rd3d> i need a stand to work on my bike: http://i.imgur.com/U4ZmjsF.jpg
[11:07:27] <ssi> speaking of jeeps: http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/406830_769837483062_1888283244_n.jpg
[11:08:08] <generic_nick|2> nice, yours?
[11:08:13] <ssi> my next door neighbor's
[11:08:37] <generic_nick|2> time to throw a dana 60 and 14 bolt under it
[11:09:10] <ssi> I love going through my old pictures
[11:09:14] <ssi> http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/408793_770310160812_1144829503_n.jpg
[11:09:31] <ssi> I did a lot of cool stuff on my little g0602
[11:09:41] <generic_nick|2> i need a steadyrest
[11:09:46] <ssi> http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399878_775108450002_1069079313_n.jpg
[11:10:10] <ssi> http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/401219_780178599382_778457399_n.jpg
[11:10:38] <generic_nick|2> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8123/8632799397_e2d1ddb5ba_c.jpg the dana 60 i built for the front of my jeep
[11:10:59] <ssi> sweet
[11:11:02] <generic_nick|2> narrowed it, rotated the knuckles, welded the brackets on, etc
[11:11:18] <ssi> I talked about making some parts for my neighbor's jeep on the plasma table
[11:11:21] <ssi> but it never happened :P
[11:11:24] <generic_nick|2> came out of a dodge 3500
[11:11:47] <generic_nick|2> yea i want to build a plasma table for some stuff i want to build for mine
[11:11:59] <ssi> i'm rebuilding my table now
[11:12:04] <ssi> hopefully I can get it cutting this weekend
[11:12:07] <ssi> motion seems sorted out
[11:12:14] <generic_nick|2> nice
[11:12:31] <generic_nick|2> well i gotta run, time to finish cleaning the shop and get some machines moved
[11:12:36] <ssi> have fun
[11:12:41] <generic_nick|2> will do, adios
[11:14:10] <PetefromTn> GammaX: right to the 7i77 card...
[11:17:03] <JT-Shop> this makes me so sad... http://imagebin.org/257100
[11:17:20] <ssi> hahaha
[11:19:11] <JT-Shop> it really ain't funny when your mind is so far gone a new coffee pot can not be delt with
[11:21:17] <JT-Shop> we had 6 of the old ones and when the last one died we were forced to get a different one...
[11:22:58] <r00t4rd3d> do you put cocoa powder in your coffee?
[11:23:30] <JT-Shop> no
[11:23:47] <PetefromTn> Well a big thanks to Mike Kilroy for helping me get my spindle parameter setting sorted out for the Cincinatti Arrow.....
[11:24:21] <r00t4rd3d> who is mike kilroy
[11:25:10] <PetefromTn> Hes a guy who posts over on the CNC zone Cincinatti forum who apparently has a LOT of experience with these machines and also does professional retrofits...
[11:25:23] <Tom_itx> in your defense JT-Shop, the time of day you go to push the button nobody is really thinking clearly
[11:25:43] <JT-Shop> it's not my coffee pot, it is the MIL's
[11:25:45] <r00t4rd3d> or get a coffee pot with a timer
[11:25:49] <Tom_itx> oh
[11:25:55] <Tom_itx> even so
[11:25:57] <JT-Shop> she is 87
[11:26:14] <JT-Shop> we have to put the child lock on the microwave and stuff like that
[11:26:20] <ssi> my grandmother is 87, and she still has her wits about her
[11:26:30] <ssi> but she's gotten to be more and more of an asshole as she's gotten older
[11:26:31] <JT-Shop> don't matter what time is it when you can't remember
[11:26:40] <JT-Shop> she is lucky
[11:26:42] <ssi> yeah
[11:26:56] <ssi> she's starting to have other health problems, but overall she's doing quite well for her age
[11:27:16] <PetefromTn> you mean apart from being an asshole?
[11:27:22] <ssi> yep
[11:27:24] <JT-Shop> MIL is healthy except for her dementia
[11:27:26] <ssi> that's more of a problem for the rest of us
[11:31:19] * Tom_itx wonders what other widgets to add to the axis pannel
[11:35:53] <PetefromTn> My pendant panel is NAKED and I am going to make some aluminum plates for it to add some buttons and stuff...
[11:36:59] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant8.jpg
[11:37:16] <Tom_itx> found a formed aluminum box at the scrap place i made one from
[11:39:09] <ReadError> http://defcad.org/liberator/
[11:39:11] <ReadError> oh noes
[11:39:22] <ReadError> i see r00t4rd3d buying a 3d printer and giving up the wooden gun biz
[11:42:32] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Looks pretty sweet man. I may have to build one but Id rather buy one in a bit when I get some more cash.
[11:42:56] <Tom_itx> i'd use better button if it were a full size machine
[11:43:07] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/XWytq/layout/blog
[11:43:25] <r00t4rd3d> can that armature be fixed?
[11:43:49] <Tom_itx> doubtful
[11:43:50] <r00t4rd3d> i cant believe the dude turned it into a fucking lamp
[11:46:00] <PetefromTn> why?
[11:46:22] <IchGuckLive> hi all from the suny B) Germany
[11:57:27] <PetefromTn> hi ich..
[12:05:59] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:06:41] <IchGuckLive> someone knowes howto Change the $MaxPost variable to increase this limit.
[12:06:51] <IchGuckLive> on our wiki i need 400k
[12:13:18] <jthornton> I would assume the list owner is the only one that can change that but I might be wrong
[12:13:34] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:16:14] <Daywalker198454> ichgucklive du hast doch die tutorials in youtube geschrieben oder?
[12:17:58] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:21:28] <jthornton> so does that mean that 10.04 will not get any more updates after today?
[12:24:01] <ReadError> its EOL?
[12:24:03] <ReadError> if so yea
[12:24:38] <Connor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[12:24:44] <ssi> these came out great :D http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405881_508840869181759_1103712049_n.jpg
[12:25:12] <Connor> So, For Desktop, yes.
[12:25:39] <Connor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[12:27:34] <Connor> Which sucks, because I'm running 10.04 LTS as my desktop
[12:31:13] <IchGuckLive> we realy need to get the 12.04 up and running on RTAI
[12:31:30] <ssi> would be smart
[12:32:00] <Connor> I really don't care for unity.
[12:32:09] <ReadError> ssi, let me know if you find any good machine or machineshop stuff in ATL :)
[12:32:14] <ReadError> im always in the market for toys
[12:32:56] <Connor> In fact.. I'm using something called Awm. Avant Window Navigator.. runs ontop of GNOME.
[12:33:18] <ReadError> gnome > KDE
[12:33:23] <ReadError> I have _never_ liked KDE
[12:33:24] <ReadError> ever.
[12:33:30] <ssi> nope, kde blows
[12:33:52] <ssi> when I ran linux as a desktop, i never ran a desktop environment
[12:33:55] <ssi> I justused window managers
[12:33:58] <ssi> keep it simple
[12:34:09] <ReadError> ive always like linux
[12:34:11] <ssi> I leave linuxcnc machines as it comes out of the box, and that's whatever
[12:34:13] <ReadError> did LFS at like 14
[12:34:25] <ReadError> studied software engineering in college
[12:34:31] <ReadError> now im back to linux lol
[12:34:38] <ReadError> because i would hate to write code all day
[12:34:50] <ssi> there are worse professions :)
[12:35:05] <ReadError> well i deal alot with storage too
[12:35:07] <ReadError> EMC stuff
[12:35:08] <Connor> I'm a code jokey.. :)
[12:35:19] <ReadError> bah i would blow my brains out Connor
[12:35:21] <ssi> I was a code jockey... I'm an architect now
[12:35:23] <Connor> and Systems Administrator..
[12:35:28] <ReadError> im more of an idea guy
[12:35:32] <ssi> which means I tell people how to write stuff and they conveniently fail to listen
[12:35:36] <ReadError> rather than doing whats on paper
[12:35:42] <ssi> and then I get to rewrite it all from scratch at the eleventh hour
[12:35:44] <Connor> and a Network Engineer.
[12:35:49] <Connor> and a Sales Person...
[12:35:53] <ReadError> lol
[12:35:58] <Connor> and a Help Desk Monkey..
[12:36:04] <ReadError> so you work for a small company that uses you for everything you know ;)
[12:36:07] <ReadError> but thats good
[12:36:10] <ReadError> makes you valuable
[12:36:14] <Connor> Yea, My own company. :)
[12:36:18] <ReadError> ahah
[12:36:36] <Connor> but, I did work for a ISP for over 13 years..
[12:37:03] <Connor> doing all that.. but, now it's mostly Database and web development.
[12:37:36] <ReadError> im better at just thinking of random cool ideas to implement
[12:37:42] <ReadError> then i start, and my ADD kicks in
[12:37:49] <ReadError> so they never get finished ;/
[12:37:54] <ssi> I'm mostly bad at ideas
[12:38:02] <ssi> and I also have the ADD problem
[12:38:15] <ssi> but I usually can get far enough into a project to commit a serious amount of money to it before I get bored
[12:38:21] <ssi> so I have lot of really expensive half finished projects
[12:40:44] <PetefromTn> well you IDEA guys need to throw me some ideas for products to make on this VMC here LOL... I gotta start making some money with this monster or my wife will have me sleeping on the couch.....and that is not good......because I like my bed. ahem...
[12:41:02] <ssi> PetefromTn: no I prefer you fail and are forced to sell it to me for what you have in it
[12:41:39] <PetefromTn> Now why the hell would I do that. at least if I do fail I can tell the wife it is worth WAY more than I have in it LOL...
[12:42:47] <ssi> hahahaha
[12:43:07] <ssi> seriously I gotta find me something like that
[12:43:42] <Connor> Okay, So, I need to make a one-off part... It's a rectangle part, with a U shape cut into the center.. and 4 holes (one in each corner).. I can't use the vise because it would run it into the jaws..
[12:44:02] <PetefromTn> I am really likin it.... Especially when I made that circular interp last nite and it was only .0001 out of spec LO..
[12:44:23] <GammaX> Connor how would it do that?
[12:44:27] <ssi> yea that's awesome
[12:44:29] <Connor> so, I guess I need to use hold down clamps.. but.. I don't want to reposition the clamps to drill the freaking holes... it's not a very large part either.. about 4" wide and 2.5" deep
[12:44:35] <ssi> I love the crap out of my HNC... it's an amazingly precise machine
[12:44:46] <GammaX> PetefromTn are ou using modbus to control that vfd>
[12:44:48] <GammaX> ?
[12:44:48] <ssi> the guy I Bought it from was making fuel nozzles for jet engines out of inconel
[12:45:21] <ReadError> http://25.media.tumblr.com/1ea1bd21d911d7b515a632b54b8be627/tumblr_mhdrm57TVJ1r090djo1_500.jpg
[12:45:29] <PetefromTn> Connor: you need to bolt a plate to the vise and then drill and tap that for the hold down bolts in the four holes, then use them to clamp the part while you machine the slot...
[12:45:49] <PetefromTn> nope...just linuxCNC and the 7i77 card.
[12:46:11] <Connor> I guess I could also cut the bar down slightly over sized.. mill the ends.. and mount it long ways in the vise since I have a 5" vise..
[12:46:31] <Connor> that would allow me access to the side that I need to cut U shape.
[12:46:32] <PetefromTn> always more than one way....
[12:46:39] <GammaX> PetefromTn so a ladder?
[12:47:12] <PetefromTn> LOL no man no ladder yet just basic linuxCNC. The ladder will come once I get spindle orientation wired up and it will control the toolchanger...
[12:48:37] <GammaX> basiclinuxcnc...
[12:48:50] <GammaX> i guess im just confused cause I didnt know it could be done...
[13:02:36] <GammaX> Ifound haldrivers for my sj200 but there made for emc... is there an easy way to convert them over from usiung the emc file structure to linuxcnc's file structure?
[13:35:40] <ssi> GammaX: ?
[13:35:51] <ssi> GammaX: emc and linuxcnc are the same thing... it's just a rebranding
[13:39:07] <PetefromTn> I honestly did not understand what he was asking....
[13:39:16] <GammaX> diff naming for foldrs and such
[13:40:04] <GammaX> ill show you example
[13:41:18] <GammaX> default: mbrtuport
[13:41:19] <GammaX> MODINC = /usr/share/emc/Makefile.modinc
[13:41:19] <GammaX> BINDIR = /usr/bin
[13:41:36] <GammaX> ifeq "$(MODINC)" ""
[13:41:36] <GammaX> $(error Required files for building components not present. Install emc2-dev)
[13:42:44] <PetefromTn> why the hell does everyone who buys a sportbike today that has been designed by the factory to have GREAT agility and handling setup feel the need to elongate the swingarm by a foot and make it look like it is dragging its ass around? I just dont get it. I mean yeah I know it helps with wheelies on the dragstrip but if you want a dragbike build a dragbike,
[13:43:31] <GammaX> PetefromTn had 2 buddies in nc do that.... Was funny watching him get stuck coming our of every gas station.
[13:44:06] <PetefromTn> I just don't get it... Having owned over a dozen different sportybikes over the years the best part was leaking into turns!!
[13:44:13] <PetefromTn> leaning ROFL.
[13:44:26] <GammaX> i liked straight aways on my cbr1krr
[13:44:43] <PetefromTn> so did I on my FZR1000....
[13:44:48] <GammaX> now I like leaning on m buell.
[13:46:05] <GammaX> had a buzzed accident a few days ago and im thinkin about making the foot pegs I messed up on my mill lol
[13:47:07] <generic_nick|2> ima put spinners on my gixxer
[13:47:17] <generic_nick|2> they spinnin!
[13:47:24] <GammaX> lol
[13:47:29] <PetefromTn> Oh please don't...
[13:47:48] <generic_nick|2> chrome the frame, swingarm, and wheels
[13:47:51] <PetefromTn> I used to dream of a CNC to make some sick lightweight rearsets...
[13:47:52] <GammaX> I gotta get up and go to shop, realy just waiting to see if my couplers be comin today
[13:48:03] <GammaX> gotta drill those bad boys out and mount em up!
[13:48:06] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: easier to buy them lol
[13:48:17] <GammaX> no more delron. no more teachers dirty looks!
[13:48:18] <PetefromTn> always...but not as fun.
[13:49:19] <PetefromTn> dunno why but this makes me smile...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-uDkOVkN-0
[13:49:19] <Tecan> (u-uDkOVkN-0) "sevenfifty cafe racer n7" by "tchango0" is "Autos" - Length: 0:01:16
[13:49:41] <GammaX> hot bike
[13:50:34] <PetefromTn> yeah baby... sounds mean too. Amazing it it just a CB750/nighthawk.
[13:52:47] <PetefromTn> this is sweet too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4T47Wp4e54
[13:52:48] <Tecan> (P4T47Wp4e54) "YAMAHA XS850 CAFE RACER Umbau" by "schnoesen" is "Autos" - Length: 0:02:12
[13:53:04] <PetefromTn> Lotsa cool CNC bits to be made on a retro cafe build....
[13:54:34] <GammaX> Ill be back in a bit gentleman..
[13:54:38] <DJ9DJ> re
[13:54:40] <GammaX> goin to the shop...
[13:55:33] <PetefromTn> enjoy man...
[14:04:04] <generic_nick|2> what do you guys think of this to use with a disk with a bunch of slots machined in it as a spindle encoder? http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-ee_sx1096.pdf
[14:04:45] <generic_nick|2> only thing i dont see is a minimum voltage requirement. i was hoping it would run on 5v
[14:05:01] <generic_nick|2> it could be in there somewhere, but that stuff is all greek to me
[14:10:43] <generic_nick|2> i dont see anything that would keep it from working but a second opinion would be cool.
[14:24:22] <cpresser_> generic_nick|2: the datasheet says that the led about 1.2V; the maximum current for the LED is 50mA
[14:25:05] <generic_nick|2> the minimum voltage is 1.2v? or max?
[14:25:21] <cpresser_> the detector will work at 5V; see the 'light current cs. collector-emitter-voltage' plot
[14:25:54] <generic_nick|2> ahh
[14:26:19] <cpresser_> you need to design two circuits. one for the led, one for the detector
[14:26:40] <generic_nick|2> so i either need to step the v down to 1.5v or find one rated for more voltage
[14:27:18] <cpresser_> the led-circuit is easy. use a resisitor: take 5V-1.2V = 3.8V@30mA = 126Ohms
[14:28:11] <generic_nick|2> easy enough
[14:28:39] <generic_nick|2> thanks!
[14:28:49] <cpresser_> for the detector, you might need another circuit. because it also needs a load resisitor. see the small schematic
[14:28:57] <generic_nick|2> ah
[14:30:36] <generic_nick|2> should be easy enough
[15:09:25] <andypugh> generic_nick|2: You need an index too, don't forget that.
[15:09:45] <andypugh> And you could look for a quadrature device like http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0098/0900766b80098493.pdf
[15:09:53] <andypugh> But you will still need an index.
[15:11:23] <JT-Shop> I keep losing X on my D525 with the ELO... any ideas what to look at?
[15:19:20] <generic_nick|2> thanks andypugh
[15:24:38] <generic_nick|2> andypugh: do you actually need a and b channels?
[15:24:57] <andypugh> It depends on what you want to do.
[15:24:59] <generic_nick|2> i would assume yes
[15:25:03] <generic_nick|2> rigid tap
[15:25:06] <andypugh> Yes
[15:25:23] <generic_nick|2> otherwise i guess it wouldnt know when it actually started reversing
[15:25:28] <andypugh> Without quadrature the spindle doesn't know which way it is turning.
[15:27:05] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc_wood_router_project_log/179914-lowcoast_computer-numeric-control_machine.html
[15:27:16] <r00t4rd3d> dudes got $70 bucks in his cnc machine .
[15:28:42] <andypugh> The joist-hanger spindle bracket is genius.
[15:29:05] <generic_nick|2> wonder if i could just drill a hole in the disk and use a prox sensor of the sorts
[15:30:03] <generic_nick|2> for the index
[15:36:24] <JT-Shop> crap the BP head is out of tram again :(
[15:37:17] <generic_nick|2> andypugh: what do you think is good enough for counts per rev on a spindle for rigid tapping?
[15:37:52] <generic_nick|2> JT-Shop: quit climb milling with a lead screw! lol
[15:37:56] <L84Supper> anyone have suggestions on open hardware boards for Comedi to Linuxcnc for A/D. D/A and GPIO?
[15:38:08] <JT-Shop> it is full ball screws
[15:38:22] <JT-Shop> it was a 3 axis Anilam converstion mill
[15:38:25] <JT-Shop> was/is
[15:38:32] <andypugh> generic_nick|2: 50 slots should be OK.
[15:38:41] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMx-o_98X78&feature=youtu.be
[15:38:43] <Tecan> (KMx-o_98X78) "LinuxCNC Plasma with Mesa THC" by "John T" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:48
[15:38:45] <generic_nick|2> ah
[15:38:48] <JT-Shop> sparks anyone
[15:38:49] <generic_nick|2> thanks andypugh
[15:40:37] <generic_nick|2> andypugh: i like that one you linked me, except for the lack of wires.
[15:42:56] <andypugh> Easy enough to solder wires to the pins.
[15:46:57] <L84Supper> PCW: are any of your analog boards supported by Comedi?
[15:47:59] <L84Supper> hmmm, I see pascal source for the 4A20
[15:48:30] <PCW> I think some people have written comedi drivers for some of our older cards
[15:49:19] <L84Supper> PCW: http://www.comedi.org/hardware.html not on the list, I'll search the source
[15:49:27] <PCW> We really dont have any up to date analog I/O cards
[15:49:59] <PCW> just old PC/104 ones for existing customers
[15:50:23] <r00t4rd3d> pcw where is your guys shop ?
[15:50:39] <PCW> Cafilornia
[15:53:15] <Aero-Tec> got a problem, have been working on it now for awhile
[15:54:03] <Aero-Tec> my windows box will not access some of the files on the lin box
[15:54:31] <r00t4rd3d> those files are probably made by root and you have not given access
[15:54:33] <L84Supper> I was just looking at what might be worth supporting for A/D
[15:55:10] <L84Supper> STM32 or other ARM cortex M3 or PIC
[15:55:38] <DJ9DJ> re
[15:55:46] <r00t4rd3d> aero right click the files you can access and check the permissions
[15:55:50] <r00t4rd3d> cant**
[15:57:18] <r00t4rd3d> check the directory permissions also
[15:58:37] <PCW> DSPICs have pretty decent A-Ds (up to 4 Ms/s at 10 bit 1 or so Ms/s at 12)
[15:59:07] <L84Supper> PCW: I was just thinking about those when i was out on a walk earlier
[15:59:57] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[16:00:06] <r00t4rd3d> looking for your next victim ?
[16:02:12] <L84Supper> whats a good linux supported A/D, D/A and GPIO system with either USB or ethernet back to the host
[16:02:49] <L84Supper> might have to make it vs buy
[16:03:22] <L84Supper> r00t4rd3d: they have traps for that now :)
[16:04:42] <L84Supper> http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/14604 not too expensive but only 10kS/s
[16:06:12] <L84Supper> http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/14605 over 2x the price $279 each for 48kS/s
[16:08:06] <Aero-Tec> sorry was called away
[16:08:21] <Aero-Tec> I have check dir and file perm
[16:08:36] <Aero-Tec> they were owned by root
[16:09:18] <Aero-Tec> changed owner, and perm on both dir and files, still can not get into them
[16:10:04] <L84Supper> http://www.dlpdesign.com/232pc-ds-v12.pdf PIC with FTDI USB interface for ~$30
[16:10:23] <Aero-Tec> did refresh/reload
[16:10:34] <Aero-Tec> both lin and win
[16:10:38] <r00t4rd3d> allow for all
[16:10:47] <r00t4rd3d> read/write/execute
[16:10:50] <Aero-Tec> yes
[16:10:59] <r00t4rd3d> even the directory?
[16:11:04] <Aero-Tec> yes
[16:11:12] <r00t4rd3d> is it a sub directory?
[16:11:20] <Aero-Tec> yes
[16:11:29] <r00t4rd3d> is the main directory open also?
[16:11:32] <Aero-Tec> sub of a share
[16:11:53] <Aero-Tec> not sure
[16:12:11] <Aero-Tec> when the share was set up the dir and files were root
[16:12:30] <r00t4rd3d> are you accessing them from the other computer as root
[16:12:43] <Aero-Tec> should I stop the share and reshare with it now owned by me?
[16:12:50] <r00t4rd3d> using roots credentials
[16:13:13] <Aero-Tec> the win box access seems to be used other
[16:13:25] <Aero-Tec> user
[16:14:03] <r00t4rd3d> access the linux box from the windows box with roots credentials
[16:14:11] <Aero-Tec> not sure what the win box user is as far as the lin box
[16:14:27] <Aero-Tec> I am admin of the win box
[16:14:44] <Aero-Tec> how do I set up win box to look like root to lin box?
[16:15:02] <r00t4rd3d> its just a network share?
[16:15:11] <Aero-Tec> yes
[16:15:12] <L84Supper> PCW: what's the clock speed of the SPI on the 7i46?
[16:15:16] <r00t4rd3d> or are you using a program
[16:15:28] <Aero-Tec> just win and lin
[16:15:41] <Aero-Tec> no programs that I know of
[16:16:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=148395.0
[16:16:25] <r00t4rd3d> "ROOT: sharing the drive over the network"
[16:16:49] <r00t4rd3d> use the samba gui to make sure all is right
[16:18:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://winscp.net/eng/index.php
[16:18:35] <L84Supper> PCW: never mind I see it's determined by the FPGA, 11MHz with the 6i25
[16:18:55] <r00t4rd3d> WinSCP is another easy way to access the linux box from windows
[16:20:54] <ssi> JT-Shop: I want to use the thcud component with the LCTHC, yeah?
[16:23:49] <L84Supper> http://www.adafruit.com/category/122 adafruit started selling some basic cnc parts
[16:25:27] <ssi> openbeam is kinda lame
[16:26:16] <ssi> the section looks very weak... it uses 3mm hardware, which is tiny, it only comes in 1 meter lenghts
[16:26:16] <L84Supper> I met the guy behind it, it was his first attempt at making a die for extrusions
[16:26:24] <ssi> the only upside is it doesn't require special nuts
[16:26:43] <L84Supper> he didn't know that aluminum extruders make them all the time
[16:26:45] <ssi> I'd much prefer an extrusion that uses 5mm or 8mm hardware that can use standard nuts
[16:27:40] <L84Supper> I asked him about his other profiles and he looked at me like I was from Mars :)
[16:27:43] <ssi> hahah
[16:29:08] <ssi> friend of mine wants to build a 2x4 or 4x4 router table, and likely out of extrusion
[16:29:17] <ssi> I'm thinking mcmaster's 1.5" hollow extrusion
[16:30:13] <ssi> I'd like to do something similar but build a laser table
[16:30:29] <ssi> my plan was to build the motion, and get a junky 40W chinese tube
[16:30:39] <ssi> get used to laser work, and risk blowing up or failing with a cheap tube
[16:30:41] <L84Supper> 80/20 holy tube
[16:30:49] <ssi> and if it goes well, buy a good 80W or 150W us made tube
[16:31:15] <ssi> L84Supper: is that 'HT series'?
[16:31:31] <L84Supper> HT = Holey Tube
[16:31:45] <ssi> why that over t-slot?
[16:32:03] <L84Supper> was that what you were thinking about?
[16:32:12] <L84Supper> hollow extrusion?
[16:32:13] <ssi> nonono
[16:32:19] <ssi> http://www.mcmaster.com/#t-slotted-extrusions/=moglwp
[16:32:27] <ssi> in the bigger profiles, there's some partial hollow to it
[16:32:30] <ssi> saves weight and cost
[16:32:36] <ssi> not a ton of cost in the inch case
[16:32:39] <ssi> but a lot for the metric
[16:33:00] <L84Supper> yeah, 40mm and up
[16:33:03] <ssi> yea
[16:33:31] <ssi> I've built a bunch of stuff using the 20mm extrusion there
[16:33:33] <ssi> and from misumi
[16:33:41] <ssi> it's similar stuff, only real difference is the corner radius
[16:34:08] <ssi> the thing that sucks about the 20mm is the only place I've been able to find 5m t-nuts for it is misumi, and they're $15/100 in qty
[16:34:31] <ssi> 80/20 brand extrusion I've never used
[16:34:35] <ssi> but it always seemed expensive
[16:34:37] <L84Supper> China
[16:35:32] <L84Supper> $15/100 isn't bad, Bosch charges ~$1 or more ea
[16:36:37] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:38:19] <L84Supper> http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,892,1035&Prod=CHIPKIT-UC32 $35 , 12 analog in 48 GPIO
[16:38:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400423158659?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[16:38:48] <r00t4rd3d> i need 2 of those then i can start putting my new machine together
[16:43:02] <L84Supper> we have a local 80/20 disti 10 minutes away, ugly but it works
[16:43:31] <ssi> I might feel better about it if I could get it locally
[16:43:42] <ssi> I need to figure out what fasteners work with the mcmaster inch extrusion
[16:43:58] <r00t4rd3d> i use carriage bolts
[16:44:13] <r00t4rd3d> on 15 series, 5/16-18
[16:44:57] <L84Supper> the fasteners is where they make the $
[16:45:01] <ssi> I need to get the plasma table going, then I can plasma cut connection plates
[16:45:03] <ssi> L84Supper: yea no kidding
[16:45:21] <r00t4rd3d> you can get them on ebay cheap
[16:45:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/sch/tnutz_com/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
[16:46:13] <L84Supper> they justify the fastener cost by saving you time over welding or drilling, tapping and bolting
[16:48:35] <ssi> 50pcs for $20 isn't exactly cheap :P
[16:49:56] <ssi> problem is they go fast
[16:50:13] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/577596_10100133843429202_1708616203_n.jpg
[16:50:17] <ssi> that machine has 100 tnuts in it
[16:51:06] <ssi> gross, thcud component locked up my system
[16:51:08] <ssi> that's not happy
[16:52:50] <L84Supper> replace some of the t-slot with standard aluminum shapes
[16:53:07] <L84Supper> we only use t-slot where we really save time
[16:53:29] <ssi> yea building stuff out of angle and tubing really is cheaper
[16:53:35] <L84Supper> ssi: how many of those are you going to make?
[16:53:40] <ssi> two so far :P
[16:55:03] <L84Supper> looking at that design, what really has to be t-slot?
[16:55:11] <ssi> well nothing really HAS to be
[16:55:13] <L84Supper> it's easy for a proto
[16:55:16] <ssi> the frame connectors were designed aroun dit
[16:55:25] <ssi> but yeah if I was gonna mass produce it, I'd do something differently
[16:55:40] <ssi> it's not a big deal, the fasteners are expensive, whatever
[16:55:45] <ssi> I guess the real problem is more the availability
[16:55:55] <ssi> I can get 20mm extrusion from mcmaster, but not the stamped Tnuts
[16:55:56] <L84Supper> I'm doing that now for SLA printers
[16:56:05] <ssi> I had to order them from misumi, and it takes two weeks to get anytihng from them
[16:56:09] <ssi> I hate waiting :)
[16:58:17] <JT-Shop> ssi: what kind of THC control do you have again?
[16:59:06] <ssi> LCTHC
[16:59:09] <ssi> it outputs an up/down
[16:59:38] <JT-Shop> yea you want the thcud component
[16:59:51] <ssi> I downloaded it from your site, did a comp --install
[16:59:58] <ssi> then halrun, loadrt thcud
[17:00:01] <ssi> and it locked up my machine
[17:00:01] <ssi> heh
[17:00:05] <ssi> I have to go downstairs and reset it
[17:12:42] <JT-Shop> I think you have to do sudo comp --install
[17:13:25] <JT-Shop> bbl
[17:13:41] <ssi> i did
[17:14:16] <ssi> firefox on linux is still kind of a piece of garbage, huh
[17:21:24] <generic_nick|2> gotta love simple green, a garden hose, and a weed killer sprayer attachment for the hose to clean the shop.
[17:21:44] <generic_nick|2> hot water too. barely any scrubbing needed
[17:23:02] <generic_nick|2> has anyone just tried regular rustoleum for painting shop floors? the epoxy junk didnt hold up at all.
[17:23:27] <generic_nick|2> i dont mind having to redo it once in a while, but the epoxy is a bit expensive
[17:23:51] <ssi> well dammit
[17:23:59] <ssi> LCTHC main display board won't come on
[17:24:24] <L84Supper> rustoleum takes forever to dry
[17:24:36] <L84Supper> solvent enamel
[17:24:47] <PCW> Needs baking
[17:25:27] <L84Supper> it's mostly the prep work that gets coatings to adhere well
[17:25:56] <generic_nick|2> i prepped it well
[17:26:17] <generic_nick|2> the concrete was also pretty clean to begin with, no oil stains
[17:26:17] <L84Supper> what happened to the epoxy?
[17:28:55] <generic_nick|2> came off
[17:29:19] <generic_nick|2> coolant is hard on it, so is heavy equipment and metal chips
[17:32:05] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I made the persistent HAL-to-Gcode thing work. It's really cool.
[17:33:21] <ssi> andypugh: hey you were advocating the inventor fusion thing, right?
[17:33:58] <andypugh> I was saying that it is pretty slick, and would be great if you are not set in a different trut :-)
[17:34:15] <andypugh> I am, and rather miss the _rest_ of Inventor.
[17:34:47] <ssi> so we gave it a shot
[17:34:54] <ssi> and couldn't figure out how to do a dimensioned drawing in it
[17:34:58] <ssi> only export options seem to be stl and iges
[17:48:10] <generic_nick|2> ha, pushing my mill across the garage with my jeep worked great
[17:49:29] <generic_nick|2> now i got room for my hnc on that side of the garage, and my bench can go on the other side. i think i can get my jeep in there now if need be.
[17:49:47] <ssi> :D
[17:51:58] <generic_nick|2> i couldnt pull the mill with my van so i guess that's saying something
[18:03:41] <andypugh> ssi: I am pretty sure it can't do dimensioned drawings.
[18:04:02] <ssi> that's unfortunate
[18:04:22] <andypugh> You can model things to pass to CAM, but not to pass to machinists.
[18:05:30] <andypugh> It's intended as a tool so that your Creative Types can tweak designs to pass back to the Engineers who have real Inventor.
[18:05:47] <andypugh> But, as I said, for Free it's worth having.
[18:07:47] <Tom_itx> what's this hal to gcode thing about?
[18:08:12] <ssi> does real inventor have an osx version too?
[18:08:54] <andypugh> ssi: Sadly not.
[18:11:07] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Some dude wanted to do something strange with LinuxCNC. He currently uses persistent numbered G-code parameters to store values between runs/days. He was disappointed to find that a LinuxCNC GUI can't directly manipulate the G-code numbered parameters.
[18:11:40] <andypugh> But I realised that in LinuxCNC the GUI parameters can be persistent, and that G-code can read _those_ directly.
[18:11:55] <Tom_itx> huh
[18:12:03] <Tom_itx> wonder what he was trying to do
[18:12:23] <andypugh> Run an alumnium foundry :-)
[18:12:59] <Tom_itx> you pour aluminum don't you?
[18:13:26] <Tom_itx> i thought you made a couple covers or something...
[18:13:34] <Tom_itx> maybe it was somebody else
[18:13:40] <andypugh> I am more interested to find that G-code routines can read numbers out of GUI boxes without any HAL magic.
[18:13:54] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:14:10] <andypugh> No, I haven't done any home casting, except for some lead glazing bars.
[18:16:19] <Tom_itx> what was your foam mold for?
[18:16:47] <andypugh> That's a conventional pattern to pass on to a commercial iron founders.
[18:22:13] <andypugh> I have been thinking about setting up tabs for individual lathe operations, with an explanatory diagram. I was put off by the complexity of passing the values in to G-code with M66 and friends. I now realise that that is not necessary, as in master I can use G76 P #<_hal[gladevcp.thread_pitch]> and the G-code can read the value straight from the panel,
[18:25:12] <generic_nick|2> nice andypugh
[18:25:33] <generic_nick|2> if i didnt just use mine for production, i'd consider doing that
[18:25:40] <andypugh> It does open up a lot of possibilities.
[18:31:10] <ssi> so sheetcam for plasma still, eh
[18:31:12] <ssi> that's depressing
[18:32:32] <LokiScarlet> Yo
[18:32:43] <andypugh> Why is SheetCAM depressing?
[18:32:47] <andypugh> Hi
[18:33:45] <ssi> windows is depressing
[18:33:59] <andypugh> So use the Linux version?
[18:34:11] <ssi> I guess I can throw a display
[18:34:17] <ssi> I haven't tried the linux version
[18:34:22] <generic_nick|2> depressing?
[18:34:28] <andypugh> PyCAM is meant to be able to do Plasma, and that is meant to run on a Mac too.
[18:34:34] <generic_nick|2> am i the only one who doesnt have issues with windows? lol
[18:34:39] <ssi> generic_nick|2: must be
[18:35:38] <generic_nick|2> i only do normal stuff on it though. email, interwebs, and maybe some cad/cam
[18:35:42] <r00t4rd3d> i would rather use windows then ubuntu any day of my life
[18:35:48] <LokiScarlet> Uh... I'm completely new to CNC equipment, and I'm trying to figure out if this machine they have at work will work with LinuxCNC... It's a FlexMate from the good ol DOS days
[18:36:00] <LokiScarlet> Or.. The boards are FlexMate
[18:36:02] <generic_nick|2> yea i was going to say, ive had more issues with ubuntu...
[18:36:12] <ssi> I don't use ubuntu as a desktop either
[18:36:22] <ssi> I use it to run CNC machines, and we use it for servers at work
[18:36:26] <ssi> it's fine for both
[18:36:36] <generic_nick|2> i tried linux, it just doesnt work with netflix so it's useless
[18:36:47] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[18:36:49] <generic_nick|2> or any other program i want to use for that matter
[18:36:50] <LokiScarlet> >doesn't work with netflix
[18:36:52] <LokiScarlet> That's what you think
[18:37:27] <generic_nick|2> LokiScarlet: did they find a hack for it yet?
[18:38:01] <ssi> chap
[18:38:03] <ssi> crap evens
[18:38:03] <LokiScarlet> There's always a way. If nothing else, there's the web interface
[18:38:13] <ssi> sheetcam on linux runs, but then aborts with an error and won't tell me what it is
[18:38:34] <generic_nick|2> but i can just use windows and it works without finding a way lol
[18:38:35] <LokiScarlet> ssi: Tried /var/log/sheetcam or something like that?
[18:38:58] <LokiScarlet> generic_nick|2: Or you can do what I'm about to do and wipe everyhing with NetBSD
[18:39:35] <ssi> that'd be way too easy :P
[18:39:42] <ssi> there is some stuff in /var/log/messages though, let's see
[18:40:54] <ssi> no, nothing useful
[18:40:58] <ssi> this is the error: We are very sorry but SheetCamTNG-dev has encountered an internal error. It would be very helpful if you could send a debug report so we can try to find out what went wrong
[18:41:03] <ssi> SUPER helpful
[18:41:26] <andypugh> If you re-start it is there are send-error-report option?
[18:41:34] <ssi> yeah I sent an error report
[18:41:43] <ssi> although that threw an error too
[18:42:51] <andypugh> Les is generally pretty responsive.
[18:42:56] <ssi> I think it failed to create the support.zip file
[18:43:06] <ssi> maybe I'll try to contact him directly
[18:43:14] <ssi> I did actually pay for a copy of the license once upon a time
[18:43:18] <ssi> (for windows... I hope it transfers)
[18:44:11] <LokiScarlet> hmm... Does it run from an init.d script/
[18:44:13] <LokiScarlet> ?
[18:44:36] <ssi> no
[18:44:45] <nathanstenzel> anyone here use both a cnc mill and a 3d printer?
[18:45:08] <LokiScarlet> What do you run to run the program?
[18:45:42] <LokiScarlet> Like, filename if it's in your bin path, full path if it's somewhere else
[18:46:30] <ssi> nathanstenzel: yea lots of people
[18:46:46] <ssi> LokiScarlet: there's a run_sheetcam script
[18:46:58] <ssi> just sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[18:47:06] <nathanstenzel> I ask because I was wondering if the programs for manipulating the gcode and doing the slicing and such is all that different
[18:47:13] <ssi> nathanstenzel: yeah somewhat
[18:47:22] <andypugh> Night folks
[18:52:50] <nathanstenzel> can you use slicer and repetier for cnc milling too?
[18:55:48] <Tom_itx> that might be better asked in #reprap
[18:57:24] <nathanstenzel> hmmm....is this channel for software called "linuxcnc" or is it for cnc milling on linux?
[18:57:51] <r00t4rd3d> bot
[18:57:52] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:57:53] <r00t4rd3d> h
[18:58:31] <nathanstenzel> so it is for linuxcnc software as opposed to repetier and slicer?
[18:58:51] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:59:04] <Tom_itx> thus the channel name
[18:59:16] <nathanstenzel> ah. I guess you are right then. I misunderstood that whole website
[19:00:59] <nathanstenzel> well, I guess I will ask this question instead then. can you use linuxcnc to do 3d printing?
[19:01:13] <Tom_itx> some have tried
[19:02:27] <nathanstenzel> so, I take it they did not have much success?
[19:02:33] <Tom_itx> no idea
[19:03:43] <nathanstenzel> anyone know if linuxcnc has been used for soldering, PCB etching/milling or pick and place?
[19:06:51] <r00t4rd3d> pcb milling i am sure
[19:07:12] <PCW> Solder paste dispensing and pick and place as well
[19:07:36] <mercuryrising__> I'm having a lot of trouble getting stability back in linuxcnc (took me about a week to get the computer back up and running, so many errors) - but I'm getting closer! I can start a job now, but the computer will freeze (no error reported) or linuxcnc will break (with this error) - http://pastebin.com/myURPLyA
[19:07:57] <mercuryrising__> nathanstenzel, Yes you can, I have one that was working great until my computer decided to stop working last week
[19:09:07] <nathanstenzel> it seems that CNC machines are more flexible than the printers. The printers do not seem to use swapable tools as often
[19:10:34] <nathanstenzel> any idea if rostock max can be used for CNC milling? It is a delta type 3d printer based on pick and place machines
[19:11:16] <nathanstenzel> it seems really fast for a pick and place machine. it is a pitty that 3d printing is so slow. probably milling would be just as slow on it.
[19:11:37] <mercuryrising__> not sure, might want to check with reprap, they probably have more experience with this stuff
[19:12:04] <PCW> machine check event sounds like your computer is dying...
[19:12:42] <mercuryrising__> how so? when do they kick in?
[19:13:38] <PCW> take a look at your kernel log
[19:13:45] <nathanstenzel> is there a list of machines that linuxcnc works on?
[19:14:09] <r00t4rd3d> house sign design i jacked from frallzor : http://i.imgur.com/BvWInSa.jpg
[19:14:42] <PCW> The wiki has a list of known working motherboards and their latencies
[19:16:38] <r00t4rd3d> nathanstenzel, you want one of these:
[19:16:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200542103383?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[19:17:49] <r00t4rd3d> they work great with linuxcnc and windows 7
[19:25:48] <nathanstenzel> blech. windows.
[19:25:50] <LokiScarlet> What r00t4rd3d is trying to say is it works on some of the simplest good stuff
[19:26:12] <LokiScarlet> Hey nathanstenzel, doing anything this weekend?
[19:26:14] <LokiScarlet> :3
[19:26:18] <L84Supper> nathanstenzel: repetier and slic3r are free and broken applications written mainly for glorified glue guns
[19:26:23] <nathanstenzel> I think I would rather use a rasberry pi if linuxcnc works ok on it
[19:26:48] <r00t4rd3d> more headache then its worth
[19:26:51] <LokiScarlet> .... Okay now I just have to reiterate. You doing anything this weekend?
[19:27:01] <L84Supper> you could use your delta robot for milling but it's not designed for much load
[19:27:31] <nathanstenzel> probably drinking and dancing as usual
[19:27:44] * LokiScarlet runs a whois
[19:28:29] <LokiScarlet> ... Well that didn't help much. Nathaaaaaaaaan where are you :3
[19:29:21] <nathanstenzel> Chicago, but why does that matter?
[19:30:39] <LokiScarlet> Crrrrud. Because it's lonely here in Tennessee if you're not into staring at boobs and drinking light beer til you vomit from gastric content overflow. :\
[19:32:09] <nathanstenzel> uhhh....I am more into drinking rum and coke or stronger liquor
[19:33:10] <LokiScarlet> Inorite? If you're gonna drink, you're gonna drink.
[19:35:41] <nathanstenzel> later, all
[19:37:12] <LokiScarlet> Welp, time to find a CD and start steamrolling my Linux install. NetBSD here I come
[19:37:54] <r00t4rd3d> that sounds rather horrible.
[20:14:07] <mercuryrising__> thanks for the tip PCW, looks like something bad is happening on the mobo (swapped RAM, video card, no help), and thanks for the tip r00t4rd3d, looks like I picked out my new machine!
[20:41:59] <r00t4rd3d> the 525?
[20:45:08] <tjtr33> hello, i got a 1T sata drive for the cubieboard & BBB.
[20:45:09] <tjtr33> never had such a huge device. any recommendations for partioning?
[20:45:31] <tjtr33> leave big or a bunch of partitions?
[20:45:49] <Valen> 1TB is ok
[20:46:02] <Valen> you only need fancyness if you go over 2
[20:46:11] <tjtr33> format ext3/4 ?
[20:46:29] <Valen> dunno about cubieboard but ext4 is quick
[20:46:42] <Valen> what are you using the drive for?
[20:46:53] <jdh> ton of space for a bbb
[20:47:37] <tjtr33> well smaller is more expensive & i hope to use it for general archives ( portable) and booting those 2 devices )
[20:48:11] <Valen> cubie has onboard flash no?
[20:48:20] <Gamma-x> how much you guys pay for 1018 and 1045 per pound?
[20:48:26] <tjtr33> well, for building images for those 2 devices
[20:48:47] <tjtr33> to avoid crapping up the sd card
[21:13:10] <mercuryrising__> r00t4rd3d, yeah, maybe, i had an old celeron that might be working, but if I need to get a new machine that one looks pretty nice
[21:15:53] <Valen> if your putting small files (building images etc) then yeah I'd go ext4
[21:16:25] <Valen> I would suggest however that cross compiling on a decent X86 machine may be quicker ;->
[21:27:13] <tjtr33> Valen thx
[21:30:25] <tjtr33> i had not thought of cross compiling (doh!) it was suggested to build on a hd and i connected the wrong ideas ( dbl doh! )
[21:32:16] <Valen> cross compile with discc SUPERSPEEEEEEED
[21:32:35] <Valen> though the cubie is pretty quick I hear
[21:32:42] <Valen> could be a wash for speed
[21:47:55] <ssi> I built a kernel on BBB the other day
[21:48:04] <ssi> it took 180m for uImage and another 180m for modules
[21:48:08] <ssi> 6 hours is way too long :P
[22:11:40] <generic_nick|2> ugh, i must be getting weak, moving my lathe is way harder than it used to be
[22:11:51] <generic_nick|2> i need to eat my weaties
[22:12:04] <generic_nick|2> wheaties even.
[22:19:33] <ssi> yes
[22:20:23] <ssi> I feel like I'm going to end up writing sheetcam over
[22:20:24] <ssi> heh
[22:39:33] <Gamma-x> is there a huge diff between 1018 and 1030?
[22:39:38] <ssi> 12
[22:39:56] <Gamma-x> ill be making gang tool style holders from it
[22:40:06] <ssi> about 1%
[22:40:11] <ssi> not huge :D
[22:44:20] <ssi> sorry i'm a smartass, disregard me
[22:46:47] <ReadError> gangnam style
[22:58:53] <Gamma-x> lol
[22:59:01] <Gamma-x> hahah I hsould clal them that
[22:59:08] <Gamma-x> gang - um style holders
[23:13:01] <kbarry> Is there a pretty standard guide for setting up linuxCNC (i am currently a mach3 user)
[23:22:01] <ssi> anyone know anything about fixing burned contacts in a contactor?
[23:22:10] <ssi> specifically it's an airpressure contactor off my compressor
[23:22:19] <ssi> and I can't figure out how to disassemble it far enough to file the contacts
[23:27:14] <ssi> well I got it apart enough to file the contacts
[23:27:24] <ssi> but I shot a spring across the room irretrievably
[23:27:36] <Valen> I want this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DELL-POWEREDGE-R815-SERVER-4-X-AMD-16C-6276-2-3GHZ-256GB-RAM-2-X-1TB-2-5-SAS-/271200603436?pt=AU_Servers&hash=item3f24d0cd2c&_uhb=1
[23:27:42] <tjtr33> there's special files for the contacts, which are 'german silver' called burnishing tools
[23:27:42] <Valen> for EMC of course
[23:28:47] <tjtr33> ssi, but if the damage isnt great, you can rub dollar biils on them ( old dollar bills, the rag contact will polish the surface )
[23:29:25] <ssi> they're pretty bad
[23:30:20] <tjtr33> ssi best to replace them, contactors usually have replaceable contacts ( maybe look up the mfctr and googling burnishing tools has lotsa hits )
[23:30:58] <tjtr33> i just replaced contacts on a TECO with Cutler Hammer contacts ( often interchangeable )
[23:31:50] <tjtr33> beware when opening spring loaded contacts in poorly lit dirty factory :)
[23:32:27] <ssi> :P
[23:32:58] <ssi> I may be better off just replacing the whole contactor if I can get one
[23:36:02] <tjtr33> the coil, body, and screw terminals dont wear out, only the contacts and maybe the springs. usually a big money difference.
[23:36:24] <ssi> I'm mostly just concerned about sourcing the damn parts
[23:36:26] <tjtr33> but as you like. its just that i'm cheap
[23:37:39] <ssi> I'm a little cheap, but a lot impatient
[23:37:46] <tjtr33> maybe dont use mechanical contactor, go solid state & avoid contact erosion
[23:37:47] <ssi> and I don't like leaving my compressor tank dry and empty
[23:37:55] <ssi> it's a pressure switch
[23:37:58] <ssi> not a contactor like you're thinking
[23:38:23] <tjtr33> "about fixing burned contacts in a contactor?" heh
[23:38:32] <ssi> it's a contactor
[23:38:37] <ssi> but not a coil-driven one
[23:39:11] <tjtr33> ok
[23:40:09] <ssi> point is, replacing it with a solid state relay would mean coming up with an electronic pressure transducer and some kind of control system
[23:40:15] <ssi> kinda overkill to cycle an air compressor
[23:40:32] <tjtr33> festo pev air sensor
[23:40:55] <tjtr33> 0-8bar in, with settable hysterisis
[23:41:08] <ssi> what's it cost
[23:41:35] <tjtr33> ~100USD ? (good stuff tho)
[23:41:56] <ReadError> lol Valen
[23:42:03] <ReadError> waste, it has AMD cpus
[23:42:12] <tjtr33> 25$ ebay
[23:42:56] <Valen> you could use the same pressure switch and rather than putting mains through it just put a signal to a SSR
[23:43:07] <Valen> SSR's blow up all the time though (at least in my experience)
[23:44:58] <ssi> if I had that other spring I think I could put this one back togethe
[23:45:09] <ssi> holy shit I found it
[23:45:29] <tjtr33> i use the festo pev to check air pressure for a tool changer ( no pressure no change ) and drive solenoids withssr's ( opto 22's and Kyotos ) manyinstallations running many years
[23:45:44] <tjtr33> magnetic mechanic trays
[23:48:45] <ssi> I'm gonna feel like such a boss if I get this thing reinstalled and it works
[23:52:00] <Valen> lol
[23:52:08] <Valen> who is taking bets
[23:52:17] <Valen> 1:2 works for 3 days then catches fire
[23:52:21] <ssi> thanks for the vote of confidence :)
[23:52:27] <Valen> 1:6 he electrocutes himself
[23:52:27] <ssi> heh I'm not worried about the electrical
[23:52:32] <ssi> I'm more worried about the air part
[23:52:35] <ssi> leaks etc
[23:52:56] <Valen> 1:10 he electrocutes himself after firing the valve through his face
[23:52:58] <Valen> ;->
[23:53:29] <Valen> ssi: lots of plumbers tape?
[23:53:51] <ssi> naturally, but there's a crazy orifice and diaphragm in this thing
[23:53:57] <ssi> plus the unloader, wtfever that does
[23:54:30] <Valen> in an engine it basically lets the pressure out until the engine gets up to speed
[23:55:00] <ssi> I think it puts a little bit of air pressure on a little spade to help release the contactor
[23:55:15] <Valen> no idea
[23:55:45] <ssi> anyway it's back together, so imma go reinstall
[23:55:49] <ssi> wish me luck...
[23:55:57] <ssi> bad luck I guess if you're betting against me ;)
[23:56:35] <tjtr33> yes , often theres an air-aided port on such
[23:57:00] <tjtr33> good luck!