#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-04

[01:12:11] <ssi> mhaberler: I can blink the userleds by manipulating GPIO1 using /dev/mem mmaped
[01:12:50] <mhaberler> excellent!
[01:13:09] <mhaberler> so you figured the piinmux mysteries
[01:13:24] <ssi> I haven't had to do anything with pinmux yet
[01:13:42] <ssi> I messed around with the export/unexport sysfs stuff
[01:13:44] <ssi> and that all works
[01:13:50] <ssi> can flash the LEDs from sysfs
[01:14:00] <mhaberler> well I guess it's behind the scenes if you use the sysfs exports write method
[01:14:24] <ssi> I'll get to where I can change the direction of the pin using /dev/mem
[01:14:29] <ssi> but I'm not there yet :)
[01:14:59] <ssi> now, when the hal driver is loaded, is there gonna be a conf string that describes all the pins that will be used?
[01:15:03] <ssi> I'm not sure how that'd look exactly
[01:18:54] <mhaberler> I would assume this is the way to go, yes, hex and all :-/
[01:19:16] <mhaberler> maybe choose a default which excludes the stepgen gpio's
[01:19:33] <ssi> we'll need to come up with a couple configurations
[01:19:35] <mhaberler> or a integer pin list
[01:19:43] <ssi> excluding/including stepgens, hdmi, usd
[01:20:03] <ssi> er, emmc rather
[01:20:22] <mhaberler> well stepgen pins might change, but yes I see what you mean
[01:20:43] <ssi> some folks won't want to disable hdmi for instance, but others might
[01:20:51] <mhaberler> I thought one could dig that from sysfs (hdmi, emmc used)
[01:21:32] <mhaberler> (btw xenomai 3.8 kernel in the works; some simple goof on my behalf left to resolve)
[01:21:42] <ssi> oh nice
[01:21:52] <mhaberler> a few days at most
[01:24:17] <ssi> so it looks like there's no conflicts on P9
[01:24:28] <mhaberler> P9..?
[01:24:48] <ssi> the P9 expansion connector
[01:24:58] <ssi> P8 connector has the MMC0 and the LCD pin conflicts
[01:25:01] <mhaberler> you're using 3.8x now I assume?
[01:25:02] <mhaberler> aja
[01:25:04] <ssi> yes
[01:25:05] <ssi> 3.8.10
[01:25:15] <ssi> P9 has 25 gpios available
[01:25:21] <mhaberler> good, that will be a drop-in then
[01:26:42] <ssi> so a little tip
[01:26:56] <ssi> if you want to play with GPIOs using the user leds
[01:27:01] <ssi> at least using sysfs
[01:27:10] <ssi> you can't on a kernel that has gpio_leds built in
[01:27:17] <ssi> it grabs them and won't let go
[01:27:23] <ssi> I built a kernel with gpio_leds as a module
[01:27:23] <mhaberler> I see
[01:27:37] <mhaberler> aja, ok, will keep it in mind
[01:27:38] <ssi> I imagine I could probably muck with them directly using memory access
[01:27:43] <mhaberler> nah
[01:28:10] <mhaberler> but that'd be a good test case for the driver, wiggle the leds
[01:28:18] <mhaberler> no wiring required
[01:28:19] <ssi> yeah that's where I'm starting
[01:28:20] <ssi> cause it's easy
[01:28:28] <ssi> although I'm about to put a scope on a pin and wiggle it
[01:28:40] <ssi> and then maybe fly a lead from 3v3 back around and try inputs
[01:28:58] <mhaberler> wiggling a pin from the PRU and scoping that is really impressive ;)
[01:29:05] <ssi> I bet
[01:29:12] <ssi> what is it, 200khz you can get on that thing?
[01:29:45] <mhaberler> ah, direct wiggling, much higher - 25 Mhz or so
[01:30:04] <mhaberler> not sure what the delays are exactly, Charles would know
[01:30:31] <mhaberler> he tends to find the right page in the 3000+pages TRM clunker
[01:31:47] <mhaberler> it depends if one goes through the crossconnect or the directly PRU addressable pins; the latter are a subset of the former but much faster
[01:33:39] <mhaberler> at some point I'll excerpt the linux kernel bitmap library for linuxcnc use; great but kernel-only as-is, so needs massage for userland code
[01:34:19] <mhaberler> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/linux/bitmap.h , http://lwn.net/Articles/359084/
[01:36:19] <ssi> gah my scope has started making a high pitched tone when it's powered up
[01:36:23] <ssi> usually it goes away after a few minutes
[01:36:26] <ssi> tonight it's persistent
[01:36:34] <ssi> plus the front panel is dying, and fails the fp self-test
[01:37:57] <ssi> there it goes, finally
[01:39:57] <Gamma-x> With my stepper configuration and BOB.... can I hook up a pendant directly to the bob and have the changes be displayed on linuxcnc?
[01:44:00] <ssi> mhaberler: hm according to a blog post I found, you can inspect and set the pinmux modes using a sysfs file
[01:44:03] <ssi> but I don't seem to have it
[01:44:35] <mhaberler> yes, that works but likely you dont have to, yes
[01:44:43] <mhaberler> probably also no dtb magic
[01:44:58] <ssi> i guess I need to dive in and figure out the pinmux memory registers
[01:45:02] <ssi> scary scary stuff :)
[01:46:29] <ssi> ohhh
[01:46:29] <ssi> mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug
[01:48:47] <mhaberler> and that gives you?
[01:49:40] <mhaberler> ah..
[01:49:56] <mhaberler> intestines
[01:51:19] <ssi> I still don't have the omap_mux stuff
[01:51:22] <ssi> but I have some interesting things
[01:52:26] <ssi> well I wasn't gonna stay up super late tonight
[01:52:28] <ssi> but then I did
[01:52:30] <ssi> so now I sleep :)
[01:53:47] <mhaberler> fair enough; working coffee mug #3 here ;)
[02:05:25] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:55:21] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:47:30] <mazafaka> mornin Loetmichel
[05:53:50] <carper64_lb_> morning gents
[05:54:08] <jthornton> morning guys
[05:56:26] <mazafaka> morning brothers
[07:04:54] <carper64_lb_> just looking at either a touch off or optical setting for manual tool changes using a quick change tool block on the lathe
[07:05:24] <carper64_lb_> any body done one ?
[07:07:55] <carper64_lb_> this was one idea i liked
[07:07:59] <carper64_lb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4xEo5GcXHk
[07:08:01] <mhaberler> maybe you can adapt the example in master: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=configs/sim/remap/manual-toolchange-with-tool-length-switch;h=2d643d6390d562766d456d84da8ebe0498b174c0;hb=863a7284dc2eb9e5892aacff8315ae6fdccf8311
[07:08:02] <Tecan> (s4xEo5GcXHk) "Haas Automatic Tool Presetter How To" by "haasautomation" is "Tech" - Length: 0:07:13
[07:11:02] <carper64_lb_> this was the other idea but using the cam in linuxcnc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb0IQPHbU0g
[07:11:03] <Tecan> (zb0IQPHbU0g) "DIY Optical tool setter for a Haas lathe" by "MuellerNick" is "Tech" - Length: 0:03:45
[07:11:40] <carper64_lb_> any thoughts on them ?
[07:14:24] <carper64_lb_> the thing ive thouht of using the arm and probe would make tool changes impossible with work in the chuck
[07:14:29] <carper64_lb_> thought
[07:16:14] <carper64_lb_> and pre settin the tools prior to starting the machining would not garrentee being spot on after locking the tool onto the block
[07:21:44] <archivist> hmmm, some ideas
[07:22:04] <carper64_lb_> the amount of work thats gone into the accuracy of the latheits repeatability is unreadable on a 0.01 dial gauge would like to keep it at that with the tool changes
[07:22:58] <archivist> I did a cnc cam a while ago http://www.archivist.info/cnc/cnccam.html
[07:23:18] <archivist> that is an old pic never gets updated anymore
[07:24:11] <archivist> some tooling needs special camera lenses and I never went much further except in dreams
[07:24:40] <archivist> needs a telecentric lens I think
[07:25:00] <carper64_lb_> yes its a tricky one archivist
[07:27:32] <carper64_lb_> needs some deep thought i think
[07:27:43] <archivist> the thing with the cutter in my picture is the curves back from the tip are the reference and it needs to be rotating to include runout
[07:28:54] <archivist> and now I am not doing enough work to make me continue looking into the problem (too busy finding stuff to do)
[07:29:19] <carper64_lb_> this is for a lathe
[07:30:28] <archivist> his demountable camera looks nice but adds a whole lot of extra time
[07:31:56] <carper64_lb_> yes i agree id fix mine permenent with a removable lens cap
[07:32:13] <jthornton> my buddy has one that has a touch sensor on it and it just swings up and over the spindle when not in use
[07:32:19] <jthornton> very fast to use
[07:33:24] <archivist> his spec of .o1mm is a little hard to believe, the thermal on its legs must be more
[07:34:39] <carper64_lb_> yes thats what i thought
[07:36:22] <carper64_lb_> jt this is a nice one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4xEo5GcXHk buut the problem is manual changes with work in the chuck would be a problem
[07:37:13] <archivist> and the haas vid I wonder about the stops for the arm giving error in the arms radius
[07:38:07] <carper64_lb_> yep another thing i thought of
[07:38:52] <archivist> but once you are making stuff all tools be related so probably ok
[07:39:38] <jthornton> if he made the arms from tantalum it would have a low thermal expansion
[07:39:57] <archivist> invar!
[07:40:16] <jthornton> even better by 4x
[07:40:55] <archivist> OCD clockmakers use invar
[07:43:43] <archivist> other OCD clockmakers use mercury compensation (in a bottle type bob)
[08:43:00] <L84Supper> working on an microscope system here as well for a 5-axis stage similar how a mill would be setup, only our tools are printheads and lasers, it will also work for cutting tools
[08:52:26] <DJ9DJ> re
[09:25:17] <DJ9DJ> re
[09:30:20] <ssi> re re re re re re re re
[09:30:21] <ssi> spect
[09:30:23] <ssi> (just a little bit)
[09:31:06] <Loetmichel> ahem... Did i mentoin the firs broken parts on my Chinese 6040 Router?
[09:31:14] <ssi> onoes
[09:31:49] <Loetmichel> after just about two weeks of 8hrs a workday -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14193
[09:32:18] <Loetmichel> ... thats how chinese think a coupler stepper-> threaded rod should be...
[09:32:30] <Loetmichel> fixed it... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14196
[09:32:58] <Loetmichel> second one broke just a day later... still waiting for thy y coupler to break ;-)
[09:33:53] <Loetmichel> (the two screws are just through the first plane, the DONT make the whole copler rigid!)
[09:34:37] <ssi> woops
[09:34:41] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Replacing with upgraded couplers might be wise.
[09:34:48] <ssi> I don't like those cheap springy couplers
[09:35:40] <Loetmichel> andypugh: will do
[09:36:33] <Loetmichel> just have to find some time, then i will make some of these: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12846
[09:36:40] <andypugh> L84Supper: A friend has just decided that he wants to buy/build a laser engraver for his leather workshop. The main work is motorcycle leathers repairing and customising, so he wants to be able to cut/engrave leather, possibly as part of big, bulky suits. Any ideas where to start?
[09:36:59] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12821&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[09:44:09] <Tom_itx> do those split couplers work pretty well?
[09:47:18] <L84Supper> andypugh: sounds like he needs something like a large router table with a laser
[09:47:53] <Tom_itx> and a way to keep the leather flat
[09:48:33] <Tom_itx> can you focus thru a piece of glass laid over the leather?
[09:48:58] <Tom_itx> or will the glass distort the beam
[09:49:28] <archivist> andypugh, hehe there is/was a leather laser on fleabay
[09:49:48] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4w3imuDrk4
[09:49:51] <Tecan> (f4w3imuDrk4) "Genuine Leather Laser Cutting Equipment" by "Goldenlaservideo" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:45
[09:50:27] <archivist> andypugh, item 321108528056
[09:50:49] <archivist> may be a little large and over priced!
[09:52:44] <archivist> and now I have read it not even complete!
[09:54:16] <L84Supper> we were talking about this here last week, there was a youtube with software that would best fit the cuts on the fly out of the skins for the least amount of waste
[09:54:48] <Jymmm> It's called "nesting"
[09:55:44] <Jymmm> and lasering leather STINKS REALLY REALLY BAD, so make sure you have a good air scrubber =)
[10:12:13] <L84Supper> http://tinyurl.com/d4bc33h something like this with a feeder handles 4' x 8' sheets
[10:16:12] <L84Supper> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/cnc-plasma-kl-1325-60a-cutting-machine-98-x-51
[10:16:46] <L84Supper> for that price you could have plasma and add a laser
[10:18:18] <L84Supper> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl-1325-cnc-machine and under $10K
[10:20:20] <L84Supper> andypugh: I have no idea who might carry anything in the UK
[10:22:04] <andypugh> I should point out that he does one-offs and repairs. I think that maybe an extruded-frame gantry with belt-drive is about right.
[10:23:03] <andypugh> He mentioned an "A3 working area"
[10:31:18] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: no fan of the smell burning skin? ;-)
[10:31:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Not so much that, but the screaming.
[10:32:36] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: HRHAR
[10:32:48] <Loetmichel> ... VERY fresh "leather" ;-)
[10:34:35] <Loetmichel> andypugh: i would use a kuka robot or similar and a plastic manneqin
[10:35:13] <Loetmichel> isnt there a linuxCNC miode that can make a translation from 5/6 axis robot to cartesian coordinates?
[10:37:31] <pcw_home> if its only A3 most of the cheap Chinese laser cutters should do (if the work can be held flat enough)
[10:39:28] <Loetmichel> thats what i meant. he wants to laser logos on ready made leather suits for motorcyclists.
[10:39:39] <Loetmichel> i cant imagine these flattended out.
[10:39:51] <Loetmichel> especially the ones with armor inside
[10:40:43] <Loetmichel> i think one has to wear them on a mannequin and then read in the surface with a digitizer and project the wirting/cuts un thet surface
[10:40:50] <Loetmichel> hence the Kuka robot
[10:40:54] <andypugh> I doubt that the suit would fit inside any of the enclosed ones. They take up slightly more space than the rider, and fold only slightly more readily.
[10:40:56] <Loetmichel> or similar
[10:41:24] <Loetmichel> s/thet/that
[10:42:49] <pcw_home> getting the mirrors articulated on the robot arm might be fun
[10:50:01] <GammaX> I just woke up and feel as though I got beat up in my sleep!
[10:50:46] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: semiconductor laser mointed directly on the last axis
[10:50:53] <Loetmichel> mounted
[10:53:19] <generic_nick|2> GammaX: you didnt drink enough water if you're that hung over
[10:56:13] <pcw_home> Yes but nobody seems to use diode lasers this way (maybe wrong wavelength for general purpose engraver)
[10:56:29] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 didnt drink! lol
[10:56:39] <GammaX> and im not a fat old man either
[10:56:43] <generic_nick|2> oh, no excuse then lol
[10:57:38] <generic_nick|2> anyone know offhand if there are jog buttons on the keyboard for an A axis?
[10:57:44] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 what you up too today?
[10:58:03] <GammaX> are there job buttons for xyz?
[10:58:23] <generic_nick|2> taking the dogs to the beach then going to a cinco de mayo party
[10:58:26] <generic_nick|2> yes
[10:58:35] <GammaX> I had no idea
[10:58:35] <generic_nick|2> arrow buttons and page up/down
[10:58:40] <GammaX> damn
[10:58:50] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[10:58:55] <generic_nick|2> hi
[10:58:55] <GammaX> hey IchGuckLive
[10:59:39] <L84Supper> andypugh: laser mounted on a robot arm will work for that, you can even use a blueray laser diode
[10:59:47] <GammaX> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACH-3-CNC-ROUTER-PLASMA-KEYBOARD-SHORTCUT-DECALS-STICKER-/150994840180?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2327fe6a74
[10:59:56] <GammaX> are those buttons the same?
[11:00:20] <generic_nick|2> same?
[11:00:33] <GammaX> the configs.... are they the same as liunuxcnc?
[11:00:51] <GammaX> or better question. can the button outputs be changed in linuxcnc?
[11:00:57] <IchGuckLive> GammaX: you can stick them to the key you want
[11:01:03] <generic_nick|2> i dont believe you can change them
[11:01:10] <generic_nick|2> really?
[11:01:13] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF4HG6v29UY Casio Laser projector burns some stuff
[11:01:16] <Tecan> (gF4HG6v29UY) "Casio Laser projector burns some stuff" by "pontiacg445" is "Tech" - Length: 0:07:33
[11:01:23] <IchGuckLive> if you dont update axis you can hack everything
[11:01:41] <generic_nick|2> oh i dont get that far into it
[11:01:55] <generic_nick|2> if i cant do it in the config files, i wont be doing it lol
[11:02:03] <IchGuckLive> its just a python file onto the interpreter
[11:02:19] <generic_nick|2> hell, even if it can be done in the config files, i probably wont do it lol
[11:02:55] <GammaX> I am thinkin about building a enclosure formy pm45, make so coolant dont go flying everywhere. etc.
[11:02:57] <IchGuckLive> why not using a joypad for plasma i use Xbox joypad with 10m Activ USB it works perfekt
[11:03:04] <IchGuckLive> for 15USD
[11:03:22] <generic_nick|2> i have a pendant, sometimes using the keypad is easier for jogging
[11:03:38] <L84Supper> andypugh: there are cheap laser scanners to create a point cloud. IIRC Blender has unwrapping to put textures on 3d surfaces
[11:04:02] <GammaX> I would love to have something mounted to the front of my mill for zeroing....
[11:04:17] <IchGuckLive> cand belive that as my Computer is not at the mashine place ad not in view it is best to have a pendant or joypad on the router
[11:04:26] <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[11:04:52] <generic_nick|2> to each his own, the keyboard works better for me.
[11:04:58] <IchGuckLive> GammaX: you got 12 Buttons and 6 Axis
[11:05:02] <generic_nick|2> pendants are a PITA
[11:05:27] <IchGuckLive> so feel free to join the buttons with your code
[11:05:42] <IchGuckLive> MDI G92 Z0 X0 Y0
[11:05:57] <IchGuckLive> or only G92 AXIS zero
[11:06:14] <IchGuckLive> Run Stop Pause Rerun
[11:06:15] <GammaX> I realy want a automatic tool setter
[11:06:31] <generic_nick|2> easier for me to reach up and push a button that never moves than hold a pendant
[11:07:08] <IchGuckLive> if the mashine is to big you will love to use a pendand
[11:07:21] <IchGuckLive> as my biggest is 7m to go in X
[11:07:40] <GammaX> 7m....
[11:07:42] <GammaX> ?!
[11:07:44] <IchGuckLive> if you zero the U Axis a long walk
[11:07:51] <IchGuckLive> back and forth on 1mm
[11:07:52] <toastyde1th> lol
[11:08:25] <IchGuckLive> tke the Xbox and play around O.O
[11:08:34] <toastyde1th> zero the X axis and all of a sudden the screw warms up and everything's over to the left a few thou
[11:08:39] <IchGuckLive> as long as the USB stands
[11:09:01] <IchGuckLive> on plasma the backplot of Voltige to the masghine frame is horibal to the USB
[11:09:26] <IchGuckLive> after torch firerd you will miss your pendand
[11:10:05] <pcw_home> USB is dreadful for industrial controls
[11:10:13] <GammaX> id love to have some type of keypad mounted to the front of mymill with velcro just to job and home...
[11:10:38] <generic_nick|2> GammaX: i have an industrial keyboard mounted on the front of my mill
[11:10:47] <generic_nick|2> coolant and chip proof
[11:10:57] <IchGuckLive> Gamma X on 5i25 lots of inputs to do that
[11:11:12] <IchGuckLive> even if secend parport
[11:11:12] <JT-Shop> MPG and two selector switches is all you need
[11:11:15] <GammaX> I got 2 parallel ports :)
[11:11:34] <IchGuckLive> so why not done jet
[11:11:40] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: that is pretty much the k&t control pannel atm
[11:11:42] <skunkworks> ;)
[11:11:48] <generic_nick|2> i dont like my mpg pentant JT-Shop. easier to push a button than spin a wheel
[11:12:02] <GammaX> yeah Id rather have buttons...
[11:12:06] <JT-Shop> not really, my MPG is mounted and easy to spin
[11:12:06] <generic_nick|2> it's fine for touching off, but not for jogging
[11:12:27] <skunkworks> OMG - you guys are crazy.. tool touch off's are so easy with a mpg
[11:12:39] <generic_nick|2> if i'm moving the x axis 37", i dont really feel like spinning for that long lol
[11:12:42] <JT-Shop> jogging with buttons is a PIA and the MPG rules
[11:12:47] <toastyde1th> agree w/ mpg
[11:12:59] <toastyde1th> I used a cnc bridgeport without an mpg and it sucked
[11:13:04] <JT-Shop> if you don't have a MPG mounted on your machine you can't comment
[11:13:20] <IchGuckLive> everyone as he likes it persenly thats what linuxcnc Stands For
[11:13:36] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't give up my pendant now that i have it
[11:13:50] <generic_nick|2> cant comment? i've been running machines with mpg's mounted for 16-17 years lol
[11:13:54] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/panel/startfront.JPG
[11:14:07] <skunkworks> the only thing we have added is a Feed Hold..
[11:14:08] <JT-Shop> I have 3 machines with MPG's and one with a pendant
[11:14:12] <generic_nick|2> again, i use my pendat for tool touch off, but not for long jogs
[11:14:21] <skunkworks> we really need to finish that up
[11:14:27] <Tom_itx> generic_nick|2, if you're moving the axis 37" you should mdi a command
[11:14:27] <toastyde1th> is pendant being used in a specific way here
[11:14:36] <toastyde1th> because anytime I've used a machine with a pendant, it had the mpg on the pendant
[11:14:43] <toastyde1th> along with, you know, the rest of the control
[11:15:59] <Tom_itx> i just wish the spindle button worked better
[11:16:06] <generic_nick|2> takes me longer to switch to the mdi screen and type in a command than it doues to hold the arrow button for a few seconds
[11:16:07] <GammaX> i think pendant is being reffered to as anything such as a xbox controller
[11:16:18] <toastyde1th> ohhh
[11:16:37] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge-10.xhtml
[11:16:40] <generic_nick|2> i have a fanuc pentant. has a mpg, axis, and scale switches on it
[11:16:53] <toastyde1th> http://www.google.com/imgres?start=144&um=1&safe=off&hl=en&authuser=0&biw=1920&bih=965&tbm=isch&tbnid=1qYRIcc2tk-3_M:&imgrefurl=http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cincinnati-Millacon-CNC-Pendant-/130585339912&docid=Cpo2DBAEpkKL0M&itg=1&imgurl=http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Cincinnati-Millacon-CNC-Pendant-/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA%253D/%2524(KGrHqUOKi0E5iZoP)JIBOj1WJpo8!~~60_35.JPG&w=300&h=225&ei=MDGFUbizMfKn4AOSw4C4Bw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:64,s:100,i:196&iact
[11:16:53] <toastyde1th> =rc&dur=369&page=4&tbnh=180&tbnw=240&ndsp=54&tx=160&ty=53
[11:16:55] <toastyde1th> oops
[11:16:58] <toastyde1th> that was full retard, hold
[11:17:03] <toastyde1th> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Cincinnati-Millacon-CNC-Pendant-/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/$(KGrHqUOKi0E5iZoP)JIBOj1WJpo8!~~60_35.JPG
[11:17:03] <toastyde1th> there
[11:17:08] <JT-Shop> I run out of hands trying to hold a pendant
[11:17:10] <toastyde1th> that's what i'm used to calling a "pendant," sorry
[11:17:22] <pcw_home> If you have recent firmware, the 7I76/7I77 support 2 MPG encoders (x1 count mode)
[11:17:43] <GammaX> Got a nube question! How can you hold a piece of cylindrical stock vertical in a drill press vise, and without using v clocks...
[11:17:46] <GammaX> blocks*
[11:18:10] <Tom_itx> softjaws
[11:18:31] <toastyde1th> are you asking for a ad hoc solution or a commercial/perminent solution
[11:18:59] <JT-Shop> I used to calling a "pendant" http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=158
[11:19:14] <GammaX> toastyde1th add hoc 1 time type deal
[11:19:26] <JT-Shop> mill some flats on it?
[11:19:35] <toastyde2th> #$%@^#
[11:20:02] <GammaX> I got 2 couplers im going to need to enlarge the opening on one end.
[11:20:03] <toastyde2th> also if you're looking for SUPER ghetto, no-work-involved type stuff
[11:20:14] <GammaX> ^^^ yes
[11:20:15] <toastyde2th> use thick cardboard as the soft jaw, tagging on Tom_itx's suggestion
[11:20:26] <Tom_itx> gambakufu, you'd better center that in a lathe
[11:20:31] <Tom_itx> Gamma-x
[11:20:33] <Tom_itx> ^^
[11:20:42] <toastyde2th> also if you can, if you're trying to do this with a hollow part
[11:20:47] <toastyde2th> you're going to need to make a plug of some sort
[11:20:52] <toastyde2th> or you're going to crush the thing
[11:20:55] <Tom_itx> and use a single point cutter not a drill
[11:20:56] <generic_nick|2> JT-Shop: hangs pretty sturdy, i can easily spin it without holding it. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8559/8707933356_0416be6dac_c.jpg
[11:20:57] <toastyde2th> and make an oblong retard hole
[11:20:59] <JT-Shop> Gamma-x: do you have a pin the same size as the bore and will it fit in your spindle?
[11:21:24] <pcw_home> cast it in hard wax...
[11:21:24] <Tom_itx> hold the drill / reamer spin the work
[11:21:29] <JT-Shop> yep, that is a good pendant solid but movable
[11:21:41] <GammaX> JT-Shop I gota drill bit about the same size
[11:21:57] <JT-Shop> I bet you can operate that pendant with your eyes closed
[11:22:04] <generic_nick|2> yep
[11:22:13] <generic_nick|2> still prefer buttons for jogging though lol
[11:22:14] * Tom_itx joins the pendant 'show n tell'
[11:22:14] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant8.jpg
[11:22:21] <JT-Shop> use the drill bit to set the position of the part with the bit in the spindle
[11:22:49] <JT-Shop> coolant holes?
[11:22:49] <generic_nick|2> nice Tom_itx
[11:23:03] <generic_nick|2> i really need to clean my mill
[11:23:17] <generic_nick|2> poor thing gets trashed
[11:23:48] <JT-Shop> for general jogging I use the keyboard then switch to the MPG for final postion touch off exc
[11:24:16] <toastyde2th> best thing for cleaning mills i've found is a cheap sumbergable pump connected to a garden hose + sprayer gun
[11:24:30] <toastyde2th> throw the pump in the coolant tank, boom, instant clean mill
[11:24:47] <generic_nick|2> JT-Shop: thats exactly what i was saying lol
[11:25:14] <generic_nick|2> i dont do tool touchoffs with the keyboard that's for sure
[11:25:20] <JT-Shop> hard for me to keep up just before my nap
[11:25:25] <generic_nick|2> lol
[11:25:27] <Tom_itx> i could add a jog button to mine with a preset feed
[11:25:28] <JT-Shop> ouch me neither
[11:25:51] <JT-Shop> did someone say nap?
[11:25:55] <JT-Shop> dang good idea
[11:26:01] <Tom_itx> feed first
[11:26:05] <Tom_itx> then you'll have a good nap
[11:26:27] <JT-Shop> we had a late breakfast after taking the cats to the vet
[11:26:56] <pcw_home> Cat tune-up?
[11:26:57] <Tom_itx> late for you is still before sunup
[11:27:16] <generic_nick|2> im waiting for the marine layer to burn off so i can go to the beach
[11:27:17] <JT-Shop> yep
[11:27:58] <generic_nick|2> so back to my question, is there a keyboard button for jogging an a axis?
[11:28:14] <Tom_itx> i think so
[11:28:16] <archivist> generic_nick|2, yup
[11:28:36] <JT-Shop> Help > Quick Reference will show you all the key bindings for Axis
[11:28:45] <generic_nick|2> ah cool.
[11:28:49] <generic_nick|2> tried google
[11:28:54] <Tom_itx> where's the axis code hidden?
[11:29:15] <IchGuckLive> no
[11:29:31] <generic_nick|2> found it, thanks
[11:29:42] <generic_nick|2> it is [ and ]
[11:29:51] <JT-Shop> or -= for the active axis
[11:30:30] <generic_nick|2> nice
[11:30:32] <archivist> generic_nick|2, I also used http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12642 when I added jogs for B but that is very old info now
[11:30:43] <generic_nick|2> gracias
[11:31:12] <generic_nick|2> just got some fine tuning to do on the servo and the 4th axis is ready
[11:31:16] <JT-Shop> yawn
[11:31:37] <generic_nick|2> should be interesting lifting that sucker onto the mill
[11:31:42] <archivist> !wench learn yawn is wake up <nick>
[11:31:43] <the_wench> I have learned yawn is wake up <nick>
[11:32:37] <generic_nick|2> ok im off, ttyl
[11:36:43] <IchGuckLive> the key bindings for axis are in line 2962 AXIs in the usr/bin directory
[11:37:59] <IchGuckLive> right above the grid matchings in DEF units
[11:38:53] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("bracketleft", "bracketright", 3)
[11:40:25] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("Left", "Right", 0)
[11:40:26] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("Down", "Up", 1)
[11:40:27] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("Next", "Prior", 2)
[11:40:29] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("KP_Left", "KP_Right", 0)
[11:40:31] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("KP_Down", "KP_Up", 1)
[11:40:33] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("KP_Next", "KP_Prior", 2)
[11:40:35] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("KP_4", "KP_6", 0)
[11:40:36] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("KP_2", "KP_8", 1)
[11:40:38] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("KP_3", "KP_9", 2)
[11:40:40] <IchGuckLive> bind_axis("bracketleft", "bracketright", 3)
[11:43:06] <IchGuckLive> bracketleft on a german keyboard not available
[11:45:02] <GammaX> might be going to buy samsung galaxy s4 today!
[12:07:00] <IchGuckLive> im off have a nice miling day country day here today with bands and sqaredancers ! O.O
[12:23:18] <generic_nick|2> im thinking of going to a indepentant floor standing monitor and control pannel for my mill.
[12:28:20] <GammaX> im building a quick tool changer and need to find a tormac style air cylinder... any thoughts on this?
[12:28:40] <andypugh> I just made one.
[12:28:55] <GammaX> andypugh oh great, have any info?
[12:28:59] <GammaX> write up? etc...
[12:29:23] <L84Supper> andypugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2oaBtkpNpE replace welder with laser
[12:29:28] <Tecan> (O2oaBtkpNpE) "Welding robot with LinuxCNC" by "viestartss" is "Tech" - Length: 0:03:08
[12:29:40] <andypugh> GammaX: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Tad4D5FLiM1goCdswmXtdQ?feat=directlink
[12:30:15] <andypugh> GammaX: And http://youtu.be/pxrzJ_KfcQ0
[12:30:25] <GammaX> andypugh hmmm wtf is that?! lol
[12:31:20] <generic_nick|2> nice andypugh
[12:31:32] <GammaX> thats nice
[12:31:36] <generic_nick|2> id like something like that for my mill instead of the power drawbar
[12:32:25] <GammaX> I need something that will press down on the bellvilles
[12:32:43] <andypugh> The pneumatic cylinder is a bit special as it "pinches" the drawbar rather than pushing down on the spindle bearings.
[12:33:11] <GammaX> andypugh great design... how long it take you to make?
[12:33:17] <GammaX> Have any solids for it?
[12:33:57] <generic_nick|2> interested in that as well. would be great for my mill. then i could switch to cat40 holders instead of nmbt
[12:34:13] <GammaX> i currently use er32 collets
[12:34:28] <andypugh> Note that the spring in the picture didn't work, and I used one of these instead (the company were nive enough to send me a free sample, even when I exp-lained that I only needed one :-) http://www.leespring.co.uk/uk_int_learn_wave.asp?
[12:36:24] <generic_nick|2> very cool
[12:37:27] <GammaX> andypugh any schematics or drawings for it?
[12:38:05] <GammaX> once I have this done I will start making my automatic tool changer.
[12:38:15] <andypugh> I am seeing what I have
[12:38:29] <GammaX> thanks!
[12:40:05] <generic_nick|2> i guess i dont really need the model, everything will be different for my mill.
[12:40:20] <generic_nick|2> wait what taper is that andypugh?
[12:40:49] <andypugh> BT30 (actually, the machine was 30 INT, but I am using BT30)
[12:40:59] <generic_nick|2> cool
[12:41:11] <GammaX> i have r8 and would like to have the pinch drawbar type...
[12:41:25] <generic_nick|2> wonder how much different it would be for cat40
[12:42:18] <andypugh> Look at post 136 here for a spreadsheet that graphs the force/displacement curves for DIN standard disc springs. http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vertical_mill_lathe_project_log/41200-bt30_spindle_project-12.html
[12:44:19] <generic_nick|2> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8277/8705861406_85e7c12848_c.jpg
[12:44:44] <GammaX> sweet jesus thats some articulation
[12:44:54] <generic_nick|2> 56"
[12:45:05] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 I gota 4runnerbut would never be able to do that
[12:45:14] <GammaX> although I dont have a pumpkin :D
[12:45:38] <generic_nick|2> it can with some work lol
[12:45:48] <GammaX> daily driver
[12:45:50] <generic_nick|2> it's a station wagon just like mine
[12:45:53] <generic_nick|2> so is mine
[12:45:58] <GammaX> winch bumber 3 inch lift, rock sliders, trail edition
[12:46:06] <generic_nick|2> nice
[12:46:16] <GammaX> your ride looks good aswell man!
[12:46:20] <GammaX> where u live at?
[12:46:22] <generic_nick|2> thanks man
[12:46:31] <generic_nick|2> southern california
[12:46:36] <generic_nick|2> u?
[12:46:39] <GammaX> Denver
[12:46:58] <generic_nick|2> cool. supposed to be some good wheeling out in texas
[12:47:00] <GammaX> if you ever come up to the rockies, deff let me know we can go wheelin together
[12:47:26] <generic_nick|2> will do, however that's a bit of a drive for that pig lol
[12:47:46] <generic_nick|2> it's got full width 1 ton axles
[12:47:57] <generic_nick|2> 5.38 gears and lockers
[12:48:33] <generic_nick|2> coilovers all around with no sway bars. not the best street rig :)
[12:48:58] <andypugh> I reckon my GasGas can get to more places :-)
[12:49:09] <GammaX> i got stock everything but limited slip in front, rear electric locker ( will upgrade when she dies) Coil overs in front, indipendant suspension in back (bigger springs and shocks)
[12:49:28] <GammaX> I used to drive that to work but now Im forced to take the prius!
[12:49:33] <generic_nick|2> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8519/8535336108_c672ea1850_c.jpg
[12:49:51] <GammaX> ha
[12:49:56] <GammaX> wopnt find me doin that!
[12:50:02] <generic_nick|2> andypugh: gasgas?
[12:50:06] <andypugh> GammaX: What format do you need? It is all in Alibre format at the moment, but I ought to be able to export.
[12:50:10] <GammaX> mynes a 2010
[12:50:20] <generic_nick|2> nice
[12:50:25] <GammaX> Well I have solidworks so...
[12:50:30] <generic_nick|2> too new to beat up
[12:50:44] <GammaX> if you can get it into a solidworks model that'd be great but I think sw can open a lot of things
[12:50:51] <andypugh> generic_nick|2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2003_Gas_Gas_EC_200.JPG
[12:51:22] <generic_nick|2> andypugh: generally we can get more places than dirtbikes
[12:52:11] <generic_nick|2> obviously if the trail is 2 feet wide, then maybe not, but we can definitely clear bigger rocks
[12:52:19] <generic_nick|2> (i ride too)
[12:52:32] <andypugh> I typically go round the rocks :-)
[12:52:52] <generic_nick|2> i usually look for them
[12:53:41] <generic_nick|2> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8530/8509595721_71d9f26982_b.jpg
[12:56:09] <andypugh> Does this file work for you? http://www.bodgesoc.org/Drawbar.sldasm
[12:56:47] <andypugh> Is that stuck, or just about to get stuck?
[12:57:25] <andypugh> One thing I have noticed when out and about at the same time and place as the 4x4 crowd is just how very slowly they move.
[12:57:30] <generic_nick|2> not stuck
[12:57:58] <andypugh> Caterpillar tracks on the door handles?
[12:58:05] <generic_nick|2> it's not on it's side
[12:58:52] <generic_nick|2> generally you dont rock crawl fast as it's rough on equipment
[12:59:00] <andypugh> GammaX: Did you get the file?
[12:59:24] <GammaX> no sir
[12:59:27] <andypugh> I can see that. Momentum is your friend on a bike though, right up to the point that it is your enemy :-)
[13:00:36] <andypugh> GammaX: Link up there
[13:01:15] <JT-Shop> andypugh: you have to send all the part files with an assembly
[13:01:28] <andypugh> Ah.
[13:01:33] <GammaX> got t
[13:01:34] <GammaX> thanks!
[13:01:48] <andypugh> It probably won't work.
[13:01:57] <andypugh> (As JT just pointed out)
[13:02:51] <GammaX> yeah it didnt.
[13:02:57] <GammaX> crashed my sw
[13:03:12] <GammaX> hope it aiuto saved my other parts.
[13:04:01] <GammaX> I wonder how I could set that up for an r8 rf45 spindle...
[13:04:26] <andypugh> Using the Tormach TTS?
[13:04:53] <GammaX> thats the idea
[13:05:00] <GammaX> but instead of er20 I have er32 collets
[13:05:42] <GammaX> bigger tooling capabilities but there is no lip for my to grab... prolly through the collets in the lathe and make a 1/4 inch grove in them for tool changer later on
[13:05:55] <GammaX> or think of another way to hold the things.
[13:06:08] <andypugh> Pretty much the same way, but with the TTS collet screwed on the end in place of the finger gripper, I think.
[13:06:45] <JT-Shop> yuck, I think I've found a bug with G10 L20
[13:07:00] <GammaX> andypugh I can prolly cut down a draw bar to have it like 5 inches and have a tube go deep down in there to hold it..
[13:07:21] <GammaX> well... then I cant have any bellevilles...
[13:08:31] <andypugh> You could. The thing is that my disc springs push the rod up, and push agains the bottom of the tube that they are in.
[13:08:46] <andypugh> The same thing ought to work for you.
[13:08:52] <L84Supper> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANUC-ROBOT-LR-MATE-100-ROBOTIC-ARM-AUTOMATION-5-AXES-F-24239-/111036963639?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19da519b37 Mesa for controllers and add a 1W laser diode for engraving
[13:09:07] <andypugh> Though I think TTS needs a lot less trabel than I needed, so there may be no need.
[13:09:58] <GammaX> andypugh once I take a look at your files I might be able to modify to make ti work great. Did you buy that cylinder or make it?
[13:10:38] <andypugh> I made every part except the springs and the valve-collets that hold the rod in the collar.
[13:11:56] <GammaX> man... I realy dont wanna make a cylinder
[13:12:02] <andypugh> GammaX: Can you open .stp files?
[13:12:20] <GammaX> if I can pull this off Id love to make kits to sell for the rf45... making all those cylinders would suck! ol
[13:12:43] <andypugh> Making the cylinder was easy, and allowed me to get exactly what I needed. It just uses an O-ring to seal.
[13:13:13] <GammaX> andypugh yeah i can
[13:15:00] <GammaX> idk if that would work... i keep thinkin in my head about the configuraton of the rf45 style mill...
[13:15:55] <andypugh> http://www.bodgesoc.org/Drawbar.stp
[13:17:23] <GammaX> trying to figure out how to save that lol
[13:21:46] <JT-Shop> ctrl a ctrl c ctrl v
[13:22:38] <andypugh> File -> Save As
[13:23:10] <andypugh> GammaX: What is your spindle bore size?
[13:25:25] <JT-Shop> a couple of import errors but SW fixed them
[13:25:47] <JT-Shop> that's quite a stack of belville springs :)
[13:26:32] <JT-Shop> O-ring around the top of the jaws?
[13:27:59] <andypugh> Yes, just to make them want to open.
[13:28:09] <JT-Shop> very nice design
[13:28:27] <andypugh> I admit to being quite proud of it.
[13:29:48] <JT-Shop> what kind of spindle does it fit?
[13:43:55] <GammaX> omg that is a lot of bellevilles!
[13:44:03] <GammaX> JT-Shop you were right!
[13:45:02] <GammaX> Now does that not push on the spindle?
[13:50:07] <JT-Shop> anyone with Axis Lathe sim want to check this out for me? http://gnipsel.com/files/G10L20.ngc
[13:50:27] <JT-Shop> I think it is a bug in G10L20 or elsewhere
[13:51:44] <JT-Shop> make sure you save as
[13:54:15] <andypugh> GammaX: Because the bottom "plug" in the cylinder comes up underneath the collar.
[13:54:37] <JT-Shop> this is a better link http://gnipsel.com/files/G10L20.ngc.zip
[13:59:19] <JT-Shop> I don't know if it is a bug with G10 or o100 if
[14:01:24] <pcw_home> What do you need to do to check?
[14:01:39] <JT-Shop> Axis lathe sim
[14:02:12] <pcw_home> OK have that (old though)
[14:02:45] <JT-Shop> if I set #<zero> = 1 and abort then set to 0 the Z moves will go too far, the next time you run they go to the correct position
[14:03:40] <pcw_home> so i do that in MDI before I start?
[14:03:59] <JT-Shop> no, just change the ngc file and reload
[14:04:16] <JT-Shop> instructions in the file
[14:06:31] <pcw_home> esc after tool change request?
[14:07:09] <JT-Shop> yea or as soon as it starts to move
[14:08:08] <pcw_home> OK so now re-edit/load with #<zero> = 0?
[14:08:17] <JT-Shop> yep
[14:09:51] <pcw_home> OK reloaded, how do I start it
[14:10:08] <JT-Shop> just press run
[14:11:19] <pcw_home> ok finished
[14:12:10] <JT-Shop> run it again and it should go to the proper start Z this time and last time it should have went to Z-0.030 and Z-0.040 for the second pass
[14:12:35] <JT-Shop> it should be going to Z-0.010 then Z-0.020
[14:22:37] <pcw_home> Yes if #<-zero> was 1 when you start , then interrupt , change #<zero> to 0 and restart,
[14:22:39] <pcw_home> the cut depth is -0.030,-0.040 instead of -0.010, -0.020
[14:28:00] <jthornton> yep, shore messes up your day when that happens
[14:33:35] <JT-Shop> if you comment out the G10 L20 line it does not happen
[14:35:56] <pcw_home> I do not know enough about gcode or what happens when you change that in
[14:35:58] <pcw_home> the middle of code execution to know if thats a bug or not
[14:36:02] <archivist> wtf....Can I replace the fuse with a piece of wire and hope for overcurrent and overheating protection to protect the drive?
[14:37:48] <JT-Shop> sure if you use the correct size of wire with a reduced section in the middle
[14:44:50] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: old electronican truth: a strand from a 1,5mm^2 stranded wire is good for a 4A "super lag" fuse ;-)
[14:47:48] <pcw_home> Seems to me I've used wire wrap wire (30 ga) for about 20A fuse
[14:54:49] <Loetmichel> pcw_home. THAT CANT BE TRUE
[14:54:57] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry, capslock
[14:55:24] <Loetmichel> iigoogle coorctly, 30ga is about 0.05mm^2
[14:55:41] <pcw_home> Depends on length (Preece says 10A)
[14:56:46] <pcw_home> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.litz-wire.com%2FNew%2520PDFs%2FFusing_Currents_Melting_Temperature_Copper_Aluminum_Magnet_Wire_R2.011609.pdf&ei=qGSFUbWBLorF0QGHw4HoCA&usg=AFQjCNEcmiBUGVWhyoyHdnCEpendezFF3w&sig2=4BST-7x1bGsVfacC9gGftw&bvm=bv.45960087,d.dmQ
[14:57:17] <Loetmichel> and a strand of 1.5mm^2 fine stra nded ist0.05mm^2but that strand is verified to be 4A super lag in MANY experiments
[14:58:18] <pcw_home> 1 strand of normal zip cord is much smaller than 30 ga
[14:58:28] <pcw_home> maybe 36 ga
[14:59:21] <Loetmichel> ok, if you say so ;-)
[14:59:29] <Loetmichel> then it fits again
[15:00:02] <JT-Shop> pcw_home: thanks for confirming that
[15:00:25] <Loetmichel> i just got 30 strands of google for a 1,5mm^2 copper wire (H07-RN-F)
[15:00:43] <Loetmichel> which translates roughly to 0.05mm^2 for the single strand
[15:02:39] <pcw_home> that was with 2.5 pre
[15:04:19] <JT-Shop> so it is not a new feature
[15:07:09] * Loetmichel gets out of the bathtub before he looks like a sharpai ;-)
[15:17:02] <andypugh> Bother!
[15:17:46] <andypugh> I just finished fitting a new chain to my bike. This is quite a task, as it has a press-fit rivet link. Turns out the chain supplied was too long.
[15:17:48] <JT-Shop> oh bother the coupler I bought is for 1 7/8" ball not 2"
[15:18:09] * JT-Shop hands Andy a pint
[15:18:35] <andypugh> Thanks. Guess I am cycling until next weekend.
[15:19:24] <JT-Shop> do you have to have a special press to assemble the link?
[15:19:48] <andypugh> I do. Though a friend broke it, so I actually used a small milling vice today.
[15:27:55] <pcw_home> The were just being thoughtful and adding a few spare links
[16:26:31] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[17:15:44] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OOTr04YTwE
[17:15:46] <Tecan> (2OOTr04YTwE) "The Royal Teens - Short Shorts" by "carminedamicoguitar" is "Music" - Length: 0:02:38
[19:19:15] <PetefromTn> ...
[19:20:08] <PetefromTn> Some new pics of the water trough testing. They're all finished and I propped them up on sawhorses and filled them up as much as the tie tube would allow with water and so far no leaks at all... FINALLY.
[19:20:28] <PetefromTn> Here is my photobucket with some new pics...http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/library/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit?sort=3&page=1
[19:22:35] <Tom_itx> now just don't scratch the paint off when you do a cleanout
[19:33:03] <PetefromTn> This is Epoxy industrial paint over an Epoxy resin so it SHOULD be about as durable a paint as you will find anywhere. Cleaning out these troughs for chips does not involve the troughs actually the machine uses perforated chip trays in the enclosure that sit above these troughs and catch all the swarf. When you clean out the machine you wash down the inside and then let it dry a bit and then the chip trays slide out each
[19:33:03] <PetefromTn> side of the machine allowing you to clean up with a shovel or something. The coolant troughs should never really see chips unless you are negligent with your cleaning regimen like the PO and let the enclosure fill up so much that when you pull the trays out it dumps around the sides like pouring mud from a bucket...
[20:00:36] <ssi> hi folks
[20:02:49] <PetefromTn> hey ssi...
[20:03:41] <ssi> what's happening
[20:04:46] <steve_stallings> hi ssi, I've been watching the Beaglebone saga and I am curious, any chance you plan to go to Wichita for the LinuxCNC fest?
[20:05:15] <ssi> honestly I didn't know anything about it
[20:05:20] <ssi> I just saw a couple vague messages related
[20:05:21] <ssi> when is it?
[20:05:55] <steve_stallings> the week of 17 June
[20:05:57] <Tom_itx> 17th iirc
[20:06:13] <ssi> could be fun
[20:06:17] <ssi> lemme look at the distance real quick
[20:06:25] <steve_stallings> I thought Michael said he was coming over for it. Lots of other software contributors have indicated plans to attend.
[20:06:44] <Tom_itx> sounds like a big turnout
[20:06:50] <Tom_itx> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/42692/focus=42699
[20:06:54] <Tom_itx> that was posted here about it
[20:07:01] <ssi> 688nm
[20:07:10] <steve_stallings> Me... I'm a hardware guy but I am hooked on the interaction that happens at these fests.
[20:07:23] <Tom_itx> would be my first if i make it
[20:07:40] <ssi> oh wow it's a week
[20:07:54] <ssi> who all is actually from wichita, butw?
[20:07:59] <Tom_itx> i live here
[20:08:01] <ssi> s/butw/btw/
[20:08:04] <ssi> Tom_itx: ok cool
[20:08:11] <ssi> are there still surplus aviation tool stores?
[20:08:12] <steve_stallings> Some folks plan to show up later in the week so they can be there Thurs, Friday, and Saturday.
[20:08:18] <Tom_itx> a few
[20:08:22] <Tom_itx> nothing like there used to be
[20:08:36] <ssi> I need to restock up on QC drill bits
[20:08:41] <Tom_itx> boeing surplus closed here
[20:08:44] <ssi> boooo
[20:08:57] <ssi> well maybe I'll plan on flying out
[20:08:58] <Tom_itx> there's a surplus guy just up the street from the shop though
[20:08:58] <steve_stallings> The fest is held at a major plant owned by Stuart Stephenson and he lets us roam about and drool over the machines. Sometimes even help retrofit one.
[20:09:03] <ssi> seven hours in the cherokee
[20:09:04] <andypugh> I'll be there.
[20:09:15] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna try to show up on friday
[20:09:28] <Tom_itx> and then there's the yard store
[20:09:34] <Tom_itx> surplus metals etc
[20:09:38] <ssi> I've bought stuff from the yard online before
[20:09:47] <andypugh> (12 hours in airports and planes, 7 hours in the car sounds better)
[20:09:53] <Tom_itx> they used to have alot more stuff
[20:09:57] <ssi> andypugh: 7 hours in a light plane
[20:10:11] <ssi> in my slow ass one anyway
[20:10:18] <Tom_itx> andypugh, found a place to stay yet?
[20:10:19] <L84Supper> 12 hour drive for me
[20:10:23] <ssi> it'll be 4 hours in the RV if I can ever get it finished
[20:10:50] <andypugh> I was going to book the place that cradek(?) suggested.
[20:10:57] <Tom_itx> dunno what he suggested
[20:11:08] <Tom_itx> there's several decent places nearby though
[20:11:32] <steve_stallings> Three of us from the Wash DC area plan to carpool so we can bring "stuff". Nice 20 hour drive, 24 if you count food, fuel, and bladder stops.
[20:11:36] <L84Supper> where is it actually going to be held?
[20:11:47] <Tom_itx> at stuart's place
[20:12:10] <L84Supper> how much room does he have?
[20:12:23] <ssi> yea I'll definitely plan on coming
[20:12:24] <Tom_itx> it's a big shop
[20:12:26] <Tom_itx> MPM is 2100 S West St Wichita Kansas and SFI is 1517 N Santa Fe Wichita
[20:12:29] <ssi> I dunno about a week, but maybe friday morning to sunday afternoon
[20:12:40] <Tom_itx> the West st location is about 2 mi or so from me
[20:12:40] <steve_stallings> About 50,000 square feet under roof would be my guess.
[20:12:42] <ssi> I wonder if I'll need to rent a car
[20:13:24] <ssi> too bad I can't bring the HNC out and get someone to fix the plumbing ;)
[20:13:36] <Tom_itx> heh
[20:13:49] <Tom_itx> steve_stallings, sounds about right
[20:14:19] <Tom_itx> i've been by there lots of times just never been inside
[20:14:20] <steve_stallings> Well, first time there Chris Radek came in his bus converted to an RV (land yacth).
[20:14:53] <Tom_itx> the airport isn't far away either
[20:14:58] <Tom_itx> or lodging
[20:15:17] <L84Supper> where to stay nearby <10 mi ?
[20:15:22] <Tom_itx> for sure
[20:15:27] <andypugh> https://plus.google.com/117447859456074293037/about?gl=uk&hl=en
[20:15:29] <Tom_itx> probably <5
[20:15:52] <steve_stallings> If there was some consensus on where to stay, going carless might be possible. Our gang is cheap so we will be staying in weekly rate old place of some sort.
[20:16:13] <Tom_itx> there's one of those near a walmart just off the highway
[20:16:21] <Tom_itx> between the airport and the shop
[20:16:36] <Tom_itx> andypugh, that's a nice one too
[20:16:53] <andypugh> Yeah. Chris said it was his recommendation
[20:17:18] <Tom_itx> i'm trying to orient that in my head to a couple others
[20:17:26] <steve_stallings> I don't remember the name, but last time Matt and I stayed in a place across town. Cheap, WiFi worked. Old fashion greasy diner across the parking lot. Loved it!
[20:18:18] <andypugh> Candlewood is 3m from MPM.
[20:18:42] <Tom_itx> andypugh, if you see 'town west' there is one even closer to MPM near 'WEST' st
[20:18:49] <Tom_itx> right off the highway 54
[20:18:55] <Tom_itx> Hampton iirc
[20:19:17] <andypugh> Looking at Streetview, it is terribly flat, isnt it?
[20:19:18] <Tom_itx> the hampton is a bit nicer but probably similar priced
[20:19:27] <Tom_itx> as a pancake
[20:19:41] <Tom_itx> welcome to tornado alley
[20:20:24] <L84Supper> I can fly round trip for only $260
[20:21:36] <L84Supper> gas will cost me >$400
[20:22:36] <Tom_itx> the motel 8 and scottsman inn are right by the wallmart (sleazo motels)
[20:22:58] <Tom_itx> reagency, holiday inn express are all nearby there
[20:23:06] <Tom_itx> the holiday inn express is brand new
[20:23:13] <L84Supper> how about an air mattress and pup tent in the back of the shop? :)
[20:23:13] <andypugh> Yeah, if I am paying as much as I am for the trip, Sleazo is out.
[20:23:48] <Tom_itx> i'd take cradek's suggestion or the Hampton or Holiday inn express
[20:23:54] <Tom_itx> the latter 2 are a bit nicer
[20:24:04] <Tom_itx> all near the airport
[20:24:17] <Tom_itx> the Airport Hilton is right at the airport parking lot
[20:24:19] <L84Supper> andypugh: do you stop through Chicago or Dallas from Heathrow?
[20:24:45] <Tom_itx> my personal choice would be the Hampton or Holiday inn express
[20:25:14] <andypugh> Chicago on the way out, Houston on the way home.
[20:26:31] <Tom_L> http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=hotels+by+wichita+airport&fb=1&gl=us&hq=hotels+airport&hnear=0x87badb6ad27f182d:0x9396d5bf74d33d3e,Wichita,+KS&cid=0,0,10599332092145145978&sa=X&ei=47GFUZ2hJtKv4APOm4FQ&ved=0CL0BEPwSMAA
[20:27:08] <Tom_L> there's also quite a bit of construction near the airport so you may need to take a shuttle to parking
[20:27:14] <ssi> I might ought to consider commercial
[20:27:21] <Tom_L> they just broke ground on a new parking garage there
[20:27:22] <ssi> 7hrs round trip at $60/hr
[20:27:31] <ssi> er
[20:27:33] <ssi> 7 hours each way
[20:27:36] <ssi> shit thats $1k
[20:27:47] <ssi> yea commercial might be saner :(
[20:29:37] <L84Supper> Wichita always reminds me of Planes. Trains and Automobiles
[20:31:14] <Tom_L> andypugh, i'm pretty sure this is the one right off West st: http://hamptoninn3.hilton.com/en/hotels/kansas/hampton-inn-wichita-west-airport-area-ICTKSHX/index.html
[20:32:05] <andypugh> Thanks, I suppose I ought to make a decision soon :-)
[20:32:16] <ssi> $258
[20:32:17] <Tom_itx> i'm locating the holiday inn as well
[20:32:21] <ssi> expressjet DBA delta connection
[20:32:25] <ssi> I know a couple expressjet pilots
[20:32:30] <ssi> maybe I can get a buddy pass :P
[20:33:01] <Tom_L> http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g39143-d646538-Reviews-Holiday_Inn_Express_Suites_Wichita_Airport-Wichita_Kansas.html
[20:33:21] <Tom_L> dugan Rd is almost right at the airport off the highway
[20:33:38] <Tom_L> those are all within i'd say 5mi of the shop
[20:34:35] <L84Supper> http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g39143-Wichita_Kansas-Hotels.html
[20:34:52] <ssi> I wonder what first class on an expressjet is like
[20:34:56] <ssi> heh
[20:35:31] <Tom_L> L84Supper some of those are closer to downtown
[20:35:47] <Tom_L> the shop is closer to the west side of town as is the airport
[20:36:02] <Tom_L> their other shop is north of midtown a bit
[20:36:35] <Jymmm> cnc fest already?
[20:37:33] <Tom_L> the Ambassador and Drury Plaza are both downtown
[20:37:41] <Tom_L> old renovated to new
[20:37:53] <Tom_L> drury is right on the river
[20:38:06] <Tom_L> as is the hotel at waterwalk
[20:39:32] <Tom_L> if you have quality questions i may be able to answer for a specific pick
[20:39:52] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52c_1367710192
[20:40:36] <ssi> the biggest pain in the ass about this beagle gpio thing is gonna be mapping all the pins to their control registers
[20:40:52] <ssi> and figuring out a way to user-specify which pins to attach to and in what direction and what pullups
[20:41:41] <Tom_L> decent dining is nearby the west locations as well
[20:41:59] <Tom_L> mcdonalds clear up to steak n lobster etc
[20:43:35] <ssi> I'm baking a nice hot batch of desiccant
[20:43:40] <ssi> mmm, just like mom used to make
[20:44:40] <Gamma-x> I just bought wire...
[20:45:03] <Gamma-x> monday my mill will be running by byelt drive :)
[20:45:22] <ssi> sweeeet
[20:45:28] <ssi> I started fixing my plasma table
[20:45:32] <ssi> I started by redoing all my air lines
[20:45:33] <Gamma-x> nice!
[20:45:42] <L84Supper> Tom_itx: how far is downtown from the two shops?
[20:45:48] <Tom_L> not far
[20:45:49] <ssi> half my shop was done with iron pipe, and it was rotting from the inside and blowing rust dust through all my machines
[20:45:53] <Gamma-x> L84Supper, where u goin?
[20:45:53] <Tom_L> both in different directions
[20:45:53] <ssi> which is part of why my HNC is sick
[20:46:17] <Tom_L> L84Supper, i'd guestimate maybe 5-10 mi from downtown for each
[20:46:48] <Gamma-x> ssi, so fix it :)
[20:47:04] <Tom_L> one takes the major highway north to 13th st exit and the other takes the major highway west to West st then south
[20:47:28] <L84Supper> Tom_itx: do you have actual traffic there? 5-10 miles is 10-20 minutes by cars or?
[20:47:40] <Tom_L> not like california
[20:47:43] <Gamma-x> where r yu guys reffering too?
[20:47:46] <Tom_L> rush hour is bearable
[20:47:55] <Tom_L> still less than 20 min
[20:48:21] <Tom_L> L84Supper where are you?
[20:48:28] <L84Supper> Gamma-x: the meetup in Wichita
[20:48:51] <Gamma-x> when is it?
[20:48:54] <L84Supper> Tom_itx: probably Chicago in mid June
[20:48:58] <ssi> Gamma-x: one thing at a time :)
[20:49:08] <Tom_L> the nice thing is both shops are near the highways or within 3 mi of them
[20:49:16] <Gamma-x> wichita ks?
[20:49:18] <Tom_L> yes
[20:49:25] <Gamma-x> im fairly close to that
[20:49:45] <Gamma-x> bout a 6 hr drive from me
[20:49:46] <Tom_L> the meetings i presume will be at the West location
[20:50:09] <Tom_L> in stuart's email he indicated the north shop is a fab shop
[20:51:17] <L84Supper> what do you call this meetin?
[20:51:19] <Tom_L> if you want the old town experience stay at the hotel at oldtown
[20:51:26] <L84Supper> cnc fest?
[20:51:30] <Tom_L> i think so
[20:53:03] <Tom_L> i think andy will get lost here because all our streets are straight
[20:53:20] <Tom_L> for the most part
[20:54:49] <andypugh> Aye, I grew up here. https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Thornhill+Rd,+Brighouse,+West+Yorkshire+HD6+3AH,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&ll=53.697125,-1.787434&spn=0.0074,0.015643&sll=51.79671,0.638411&sspn=1.97893,4.004517&geocode=FXRSMwMdFrbk_w&hnear=Thornhill+Rd,+Brighouse,+West+Yorkshire+HD6+3AH,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.697125,-1.787434&panoid=vqE3CxkjBrK-lY3X6hnyZA&cbp=12,226.51,,0,0
[20:56:49] <andypugh> (Interesting to see that Streetview still has the house, it has been demolished and replaced by a huge institutional thing for about 2 years)
[20:56:59] <Tom_L> heh
[20:57:29] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1by0-nkKOTs Four Yorkshire Men
[20:57:35] <Tecan> (1by0-nkKOTs) "Monty Python- Four Yorkshire Men" by "JasonBonitati" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:03:14
[20:57:39] <andypugh> Then my folks moved to here, which is even hillier: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=hd7+5xa&hl=en&ll=53.61363,-1.916595&spn=0.030474,0.062571&sll=51.541035,-0.109508&sspn=0.007987,0.015643&hnear=Slaithwaite+HD7+5XA,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=53.61363,-1.916595&panoid=B728Dj0aFJgEabZJ90lftg&cbp=12,270,,0,0
[20:59:03] <Tom_L> nice place
[21:05:14] <andypugh> Aye, it's rather special, and 500 years old.
[21:05:47] <Gamma-x> Sounds like bigJohnT ^^^^ ;)
[21:07:11] <andypugh> Though there is a drawback, two clicks to the east and you can see the road to the village, which spent 2 weeks looking like this at Easter: https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5864995537539183969/5864995907654473762?banner=pwa
[21:07:49] <andypugh> Anyway, time I slept, I have places to be tomorrow.
[21:19:42] <ssi> speaking of johnt
[21:19:54] <ssi> he needs to poke his head in and look at my plasma mach3 file
[21:20:33] <PetefromTn> you gonna run linuxCNC now?
[21:20:39] <ssi> that's the plan
[21:20:45] <PetefromTn> good plan...
[21:21:38] <ssi> jt has a script that'll turn my mach3 conf file into a linuxcnc config
[21:22:00] <PetefromTn> just wondering.....am I really old or really gay if I love to watch Miami Vice episodes on Netflix? Damn that was a great show....
[21:22:15] <PetefromTn> thats pretty sweet.
[21:24:59] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD4sBQnV9N4
[21:26:43] <ssi> you know I don't speak spanish!
[21:27:44] <skunkworks> :)
[21:27:57] <skunkworks> Don't have the volume up
[21:29:24] <PetefromTn> what the hell is he talking about?
[21:30:29] <PetefromTn> oh and that is one kickass router table LOL
[21:32:01] <PetefromTn> is that the whitehouse or whitehorse whatever tool sensor?
[21:32:07] <ssi> anyone know if when linuxcnc builds, it has access to kernel headers?
[21:33:06] <PetefromTn> nice machine...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrsGiQa0VWw
[21:41:03] <Connor> PetefromTn: So, it's holding water ?
[21:43:11] <PetefromTn> well right now both trays were set on top of sawhorses for several hours filled with about two inches of water and no leaks whatsoever. I had to repaint the bottoms of the troughs today underneath because the welding burned the paint off the bottom and I had ground down the areas and removed the paint so now it is all painted everywhere and it is dry. Now I just need to go out there and install them and hookup the huge
[21:43:11] <PetefromTn> connecting tube and fill up the system...
[21:43:41] <Connor> Cool.
[21:43:46] <PetefromTn> yup
[21:44:22] <PetefromTn> just kinda tired today and need to find the energy to hook it all up. Watching Miami Vice and chilling out right now LOL
[21:45:55] <ssi> I'm in the same boat
[21:46:05] <ssi> I spent like six hours today ripping down iron pipe and putting up PVC
[21:46:12] <ssi> and then I rewired the motor connections on the plasma table
[21:48:51] <PetefromTn> did you put PVC on your air lines?
[21:50:07] <ssi> yea half my house was plumbed in iron pipe for air
[21:50:14] <ssi> and it was rotting and shitting into my machines
[21:50:21] <ssi> the other half was done in pvc, later
[21:50:26] <ssi> I replaced all the iron today with pvc
[21:55:16] <PetefromTn> just be careful PVC air lines can kinda explode dangerously if impacted when under pressure. Kinda like a florescent tube bulb.
[21:55:23] <ssi> neat
[21:56:32] <PetefromTn> I need to run a line for my VMC halfway around the shop to my vertical compressor and I am going to just use some soft tubing like air hose I bought that is too rigid for shop use.
[21:56:58] <PetefromTn> I need to move the compressor closer tho because it is not long enough
[22:49:30] <ssi> god I hate not having network on the linuxcnc box
[22:55:08] <ssi> anyone familiar with running a G540 on a 5i25?
[22:55:20] <Jymmm> cat5 cables are cheap
[22:55:40] <ssi> yeah they are
[22:55:46] <ssi> networking that works on that computer however...
[22:56:45] <Jymmm> why's that?
[22:56:50] <ssi> dunno
[22:57:06] <ssi> it just sits there and prints "link up... link down... link up... link down..." in dmesg
[22:57:21] <Jymmm> wired or wireless?
[22:57:24] <ssi> wire
[22:57:24] <ssi> d
[22:57:35] <Jymmm> did you try a different nic?
[22:57:46] <ssi> no... the pci slot is in use by the mesa card
[22:57:53] <ssi> plus I'm not sure I have a nic lying around
[22:58:52] <Jymmm> try manually seting an IP on it
[22:59:17] <ssi> I have
[22:59:27] <ssi> plus it's a link layer problem
[23:00:05] <Jymmm> boot a livecd (knoppix) and see if you have the same isue
[23:00:28] <Jymmm> if you di, then you know it's a hw thing.
[23:00:31] <Jymmm> do
[23:00:58] <ssi> I'm not trying to fix networking right now, I'm trying to fix plasma table :P
[23:01:06] <Jymmm> knoppix is one of the better ones for detecting hardware
[23:01:26] <Jymmm> Yeah, but your COMPLAING about the network NOW =)
[23:01:57] <ssi> only because in order to google for info on setting up the mesa gear, I have to wade through the lake in my basement and up the stairs
[23:02:23] <Jymmm> Then network sounds like it might be a priority =)
[23:02:36] <ssi> it would be if I thought it was feasible to fix it
[23:02:37] <Jymmm> and you can get updates
[23:02:44] <Jymmm> ah
[23:02:56] <ssi> but that's going to require me dragging the machine upstairs and burning a cd and fiddle fucking around just to find out if it's even possible to fix
[23:03:15] <ssi> it'd be faster and easier to get tigerdirect to send me another offlease dell 755 on monday
[23:04:17] <jdh> how are they for latency for SW stepping?
[23:04:40] <ssi> pretty good
[23:04:44] <ssi> 17us or so
[23:05:19] <ssi> ugh ok I guess I'm dragging that stupid machine back upstairs anyway
[23:06:32] <jdh> wonder how much of the price is the windows license
[23:08:01] <ssi> good question
[23:08:05] <ssi> I only paid $199 for the last one
[23:08:15] <jdh> I see them for $159
[23:08:24] <jdh> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4959793&CatId=2628
[23:08:38] <ssi> yea
[23:08:42] <ssi> I paid a little more for a full tower
[23:08:50] <ssi> cause I didn't want to run into problems with full height PCI cards
[23:08:56] <ssi> but with 5i25 low profile isn't a problem
[23:08:58] <jdh> my last work computer was a 755. It sucked
[23:09:16] <ssi> haha
[23:09:17] <jdh> (32bit win, 2gb) painful with anything loaded
[23:09:20] <ssi> it's fine for lcnc
[23:09:22] <jdh> yeah
[23:09:46] <jdh> not for visual studio
[23:10:08] <ssi> no i imagine not :)
[23:10:41] <jdh> my new one is no better. Lot more cpu, but corp IT only loads 32bit windows so it will only do 3.2gb ram
[23:11:00] <Tom_itx> anyone ever use the 'LUT5' halui function?
[23:11:13] <Tom_itx> or have an example
[23:16:29] <jdh> never heard of it. Looks cool, in a somewhat painful way.
[23:16:43] <jdh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Lut5
[23:17:11] <Tom_itx> thought it might be easier than trying to define what i want my spindle button to do with and and or gates
[23:17:53] <jdh> looks like it woudl be useful for that. Not sure about easier.
[23:18:02] <Tom_itx> that or logic.9
[23:18:20] <cradek> there are examples in the manpage
[23:18:21] <Gamma-x> is there a guide to tuning steppers?
[23:18:25] <Tom_itx> manual mode is no big deal
[23:18:50] <jdh> Gamma-x: use the times in the drive manual?
[23:18:54] <Tom_itx> in auto mode there are only certain cases the spindle should be allowed to stop or restart and resume
[23:19:15] <Gamma-x> jdh drive manual? lol
[23:21:02] <ssi> I hate dicking with computers so much
[23:21:08] <jdh> me too
[23:21:31] <jdh> if someone would pay me as much to do something else, I'd consider it.
[23:21:43] <ssi> well I mean physically
[23:22:03] <jdh> gamma: what drives?
[23:22:06] <ssi> when I was 20 and broke, I loved nothing more than piecing together garbage computers from whatever scrap I could get my hands on
[23:22:19] <ssi> nowadays I don't have quite the tolerance for it
[23:22:36] <jdh> when I was 20, there weren't many scrap computers
[23:24:10] <ssi> well then deuce coupes or whatever was the thing that broke kids obsessed over in your day ;)
[23:24:34] <jdh> beer and weed?
[23:24:43] <ssi> yea I guess those are timeless
[23:24:46] <ssi> although they never were my thing
[23:26:04] <ssi> oh computer, how you mock me
[23:26:13] <ssi> I have a solid link light on the nic now
[23:26:16] <ssi> but no eth0 device
[23:26:31] <Gamma-x> what step/rev is most common?
[23:26:38] <jdh> 200
[23:26:45] <jdh> but that is motor dependent, not drive.
[23:26:54] <Gamma-x> myne doesnt have an option for that lol the drive *
[23:27:42] <Gamma-x> i have a 1.8 degree motor so it is 200 but the microstep setting (lowest) is 2.
[23:29:09] <jdh> are you using stepconf?
[23:30:35] <Gamma-x> yup
[23:30:48] <jdh> then just fill in the blanks
[23:31:17] <Gamma-x> well when it gets too velocity and acceleration.... im kinda stumped...
[23:31:48] <jdh> use the test panel
[23:32:33] <Gamma-x> sometimes there are intermittent problems....
[23:33:04] <Gamma-x> one setting may be great once and then when running it in a program the setting seems tio make the stepper jitter and not move.
[23:33:43] <ssi> then it's too much accel
[23:33:59] <ssi> it takes torque to accelerate a mass at a given rate
[23:34:07] <ssi> if you ask for too much torque, a stepper will stall
[23:34:14] <jdh> you need to use the test panel across the full travel also.
[23:35:12] <ssi> so do I want to spend $300 to cram in a tiny seat in a CRJ to wichita
[23:35:17] <ssi> or $1100 to fly my self
[23:35:39] <Gamma-x> ssi where u live?
[23:35:45] <ssi> atlanta
[23:35:55] <jdh> Take the $1100, go someplace good instead.
[23:35:57] <Gamma-x> thATS a 26 hr drive
[23:36:03] <ssi> 26 hr?
[23:36:10] <ssi> from colorado you mean?
[23:36:12] <ssi> or to wichita from atlanta
[23:36:21] <Gamma-x> wichita to atlanta
[23:36:25] <ssi> no way
[23:36:39] <ssi> gmaps says 14hr
[23:37:00] <ssi> which sounds exactly right, because it's 688nm, which'd be about 7hr in the cherokee, which is always about twice as fast as driving
[23:37:37] <Gamma-x> wow my bad
[23:37:44] <Gamma-x> but ull do stops for gas
[23:37:46] <Gamma-x> food
[23:37:48] <Gamma-x> cops
[23:37:52] <ssi> not in the air I won't
[23:37:55] <ssi> I'll stop once for fuel
[23:38:03] <Gamma-x> how much in fuel is it?
[23:38:08] <Gamma-x> what kinda car?
[23:38:09] <ssi> $1100 round trip
[23:38:40] <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/47_508587380362_1197_n.jpg
[23:38:42] <ssi> that kind of car :P
[23:38:47] <Gamma-x> jdh, when I had my velocity it was set at 2.5 and the motors would jitter...
[23:39:16] <Gamma-x> ohhhhh i forgot u have a plane lol
[23:39:37] <Gamma-x> come pick me up
[23:39:39] <ssi> if I could convince my friend Jay to go with me, we could take his jetta diesel
[23:39:45] <ssi> it can get to wichita from here in one tank
[23:39:54] <Gamma-x> id drive if i were u
[23:40:00] <Gamma-x> im a cheapo though
[23:40:04] <ssi> that's a long long long drive
[23:40:08] <Gamma-x> although if u can afford a plane... id fly it
[23:40:16] <ssi> be cheaper to fly commercially than drive for me
[23:40:28] <Gamma-x> when is everyone meeting up?
[23:41:38] <ssi> week of 6/17
[23:42:29] <Gamma-x> whos place?
[23:42:50] <ssi> couple different folks I think
[23:46:11] <ssi> oh so this is cute
[23:46:19] <ssi> when I install the 5i25 in the box, the network device goes away
[23:52:31] <ssi> did I mention I *hate* dicking with computers?: (
[23:55:38] <Gamma-x> ssi, you know linux good?
[23:55:57] <ssi> sure
[23:56:18] <Gamma-x> does it still show up with lspci?
[23:56:43] <ssi> the net device?
[23:56:46] <ssi> not sure it ever did
[23:56:47] <ssi> hang on
[23:56:50] <Gamma-x> ok
[23:57:14] <ssi> hm yea it shows up now, with the mesa card out
[23:57:37] <Gamma-x> type in ifconfig and see if it shows the mac addrfess of it
[23:57:41] <Gamma-x> for eth0
[23:57:44] <ssi> it's connected now
[23:57:47] <ssi> I have the mesa card out
[23:57:53] <Gamma-x> ok now put the card in.
[23:57:58] <ssi> can't right this second
[23:58:06] <Gamma-x> ok
[23:58:08] <ssi> upgrading packages
[23:58:12] <Gamma-x> ok
[23:58:27] <ssi> I'm not sure the mesa card worked when it was in either
[23:58:33] <ssi> I got an LED flash at power up, but no LEDs after that
[23:58:39] <ssi> I'm not sure what the normal LED status should be
[23:58:44] <ssi> but this machine is screwy
[23:58:54] <ssi> I may go to microcenter tomorrow and see if they have any of the dell 755s in stock
[23:59:00] <ssi> they list them on their site
[23:59:00] <Gamma-x> ill take it off your hands :)
[23:59:05] <ssi> http://microcenter.com/product/411678/Optiplex_755_Desktop_Computer_Refurbished
[23:59:10] <ssi> come get it
[23:59:11] <ssi> it's a pile of shit
[23:59:26] <Gamma-x> iyou dont like?
[23:59:35] <Gamma-x> ill pay for shipping!
[23:59:48] <ssi> heh if I get another machine to replace it, I'd ship this one to you
[23:59:50] <ssi> it's terrible
[23:59:59] <Gamma-x> i meant the mesa