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[01:41:15] <Real-Genius> omg
[01:41:21] <ssi> ?
[01:41:27] <Real-Genius> I just moved my entire shop to another shop
[01:41:37] <ssi> meta
[01:41:58] <GammaX> worst experience ofmy life
[01:42:08] <GammaX> all done with a uhaul trailer and a 2 ton engine hoist!
[01:42:14] <ssi> lol
[01:42:22] <GammaX> still have more tomorow but all the small stuff... tv, benches etc.
[01:42:26] <GammaX> NEVER AGAIN!
[01:42:41] <ssi> I loaded my hardinge on a car trailer using a come-along, some plywood, and some iron pipes
[01:42:51] <ssi> and the car trailer had a hole in the center almost exactly the size of the lathe footprint
[01:42:59] <GammaX> lol
[01:43:06] <ssi> in the snow
[01:43:08] <ssi> in connecticut
[01:43:09] <ssi> :(
[01:43:21] <GammaX> my hardinge almost tipped over onto this old guy passing buy trying to help out
[01:43:35] <GammaX> by*
[01:43:44] <ssi> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/420990_804691220892_829481504_n.jpg
[01:44:02] <GammaX> ahhh you got a nice one
[01:44:12] <ssi> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427408_807072982822_1924530467_n.jpg
[01:44:15] <ssi> :D
[01:45:02] <GammaX> ssi please donmt tell me thats the control for the cnc? Im hoping thats some crazy german furnice of some sort.
[01:45:11] <GammaX> or the doomsday device
[01:45:11] <ssi> that's the control alright
[01:45:18] <GammaX> jesus!
[01:45:44] <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/457609_811175785772_1274608115_o.jpg
[01:45:52] <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/431058_808115768072_823586676_n.jpg
[01:45:55] <ssi> that's before I gutted it :)
[01:46:21] <GammaX> HAHAHAHAHA
[01:46:21] <GammaX> wtf is that!
[01:46:21] <ssi> wire wrap :)
[01:46:21] <GammaX> my anilam is 1/3 the size and nothing inside it!
[01:46:23] <ssi> it also wasn't make in 1978
[01:46:31] <GammaX> ahhhh
[01:46:35] <GammaX> myne was 90
[01:46:53] <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/602282_943891222972_534749199_n.jpg
[01:46:56] <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/148428_943869975552_976247942_n.jpg
[02:00:26] <ssi> so I got that mill conversion mostly done
[02:00:35] <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/473086_10100131793347582_2132713241_o.jpg
[02:00:38] <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/459136_10100131793367542_829866394_o.jpg
[02:00:49] <ssi> X/Y are tuned pretty well
[02:00:55] <ssi> runs 120ipm reasonably
[02:01:04] <ssi> limits and homing set up
[02:01:23] <ssi> the third drive came in today as well, so next time I run down there (probably wednesday) I can install it and tune the Z axis
[02:02:35] <GammaX> ssi awsome!
[02:04:11] <GammaX> I gotta find schematics for the anilam controller.... then I can add linux cnc once I get some mesa cards....
[02:04:29] <GammaX> and a collet holder... and my gang tool holder... and tooling..
[02:05:26] <Tecan> calm your tits
[02:05:52] <Tecan> just sit back and have a stiff one while pondering the intracacy's of the universe
[02:06:08] <GammaX> that was 5mins ago
[02:06:13] <Tecan> o
[02:08:11] <GammaX> ssi one thing I forgot to add that may beet you in regards to the shop move... I crashed my motorcycle yesterday and i can barely get into my truck! lol
[02:11:34] <ssi> that's no fun
[02:11:50] <ssi> last time I crashed a motorcycle I spent six weeks in the hospital
[02:12:01] <GammaX> ouch
[02:14:42] <ssi> I'm digging into what it'll take to get linuxcnc running on beaglebone black
[02:15:43] <GammaX> no idea what that is
[02:16:16] <ssi> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/04/26/new-product-beaglebone-black/
[02:20:43] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[03:14:17] <Valen00> jef79m, you the one with the quad copter?
[03:21:01] <ReadError> him and Bojangles
[03:21:12] <UncleG> Mornin
[03:42:44] <Bojangles> whut
[03:42:53] <Bojangles> oh right
[03:42:59] <Bojangles> jef79m:
[03:43:31] <Bojangles> Did you look at the files Valen00 ?
[03:49:52] <Valen00> yes looking at them now
[03:50:13] <Valen00> we can make it, but the setup and the like will probably mean getting it from USA would be cheaper
[03:50:46] <Valen00> talking with russell now, niether of us like the idea of making a quad out of sheets of stuff
[03:51:03] <Valen00> make a real one out of 3d carbon fibre ;-> do it right
[03:51:33] <Valen00> if you wanted 10 sets it becomes more economical
[03:54:05] <Valen00> Bojangles,
[04:11:49] <jef79m> back now.
[04:12:10] <jef79m> Valen00.. oh that doesnt sound so good.
[04:16:15] <Valen00> $100 or so is about an hour of workshop time, we'd need to create gcode, jigs etc
[04:19:06] <ReadError> Valen00: CF isnt always better
[04:19:10] <ReadError> i do both
[04:20:12] <Valen00> not always, but for stiff and light CF is generally good
[04:20:19] <Valen00> if you do it right
[04:21:38] <ReadError> CF is very expensive too
[04:24:22] <Valen00> yes and no
[04:24:30] <Valen00> $40 a square meter last I checked
[04:24:41] <Valen00> which is expensive compared to glass
[04:25:04] <Valen00> but if it means your whatsit is half the weight well it can be good
[04:25:20] <Valen00> <- has been around composites for ~30 years
[04:27:59] <jef79m> doesnt CF have repurcussions for FPV, like blocking rf etc?
[04:28:06] <ReadError> yea
[04:28:16] <ReadError> $40 for a square meter of sheet?
[04:28:16] <Valen00> could do, its not *that* bad
[04:28:23] <ReadError> or cloth
[04:28:28] <Valen00> cloth
[04:29:07] <Valen00> its something like 20 ohms a meter so its an attenuator of RF not an outright block
[04:29:49] <ReadError> but to build something suitable out of cloth, would be fairly expensive
[04:31:25] <Valen00> you wouldnt need more than one or two layers if you get a decent amount of 3d shape
[04:33:22] <Valen00> anyway dinner time
[04:43:37] <Bojangles> sooo too expensive?
[04:43:55] <ReadError> i dont think 2 layers of CF on a mold would be very strong
[04:45:01] <Bojangles> no offense to him, but he seems to think what we're trying to do is untested and doesn't work?
[04:45:14] <Bojangles> or at least isn't a very good way of doing it
[04:46:22] <jef79m> my email to him tonight referenced chatchs website so he knew exactly what he was aiming for...
[04:46:48] <Bojangles> jef79m: did he give you a ballpark figure at all?
[04:46:58] <Bojangles> or just that ordering from us was cheaper
[04:46:58] <jef79m> not yet.
[04:47:05] <Bojangles> kk
[06:18:35] <mrsun> hmm the mechmate does have bearings to hold down the gantry etc right? :) got the V bearings and oposite roller bearings to keep preasure on the rails? :)
[06:20:10] <Valen> think an 8 core dell server would have good latency?
[06:24:16] <skunkworks> 42
[06:26:51] <Valen> I had a dual xeon desktop board, it still has the lowest latency crown
[06:26:58] <Valen> but lightning eated it
[07:07:33] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError,
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy_cnc_router_table_machines/
[07:07:46] <r00t4rd3d> my thread got stickied :)
[07:08:46] <ReadError> wheres the new pics?
[07:09:04] <r00t4rd3d> dont have none yet
[07:09:21] <r00t4rd3d> still waiting on parts
[07:10:23] <r00t4rd3d> i got 80% of my new gantry done. Its just as wide as my current machine is long and its heavier then my entire assembled machine .
[07:12:03] <r00t4rd3d> and it doesnt even have all the parts on it yet like a router and motor, screw
[07:12:34] <r00t4rd3d> bearing blocks and thrust washers should be here tomorrow
[07:12:53] <jthornton> any photos?
[07:13:08] <r00t4rd3d> gotta take out a loan for a 3', 5 start acme screw
[07:13:22] <r00t4rd3d> not yet jt, soon
[07:14:48] <r00t4rd3d> i wanna get some stuff completed before I start upload pics
[07:17:05] <jdh> you can get a 3ft chinese ballscrew with no loan
[07:17:18] <r00t4rd3d> no cheap parts on this one
[07:18:34] <jdh> is a chinese ballscrew inherently worse than a chinese acme screw?
[07:20:09] <r00t4rd3d> they are not that much for 5s acme, I just need 3 of them
[07:21:38] <r00t4rd3d> my current machine i got 1 threaded rod from the hardware store and cutt all the screws I needed out of it :)
[07:21:52] <r00t4rd3d> was like 10 bucks
[07:22:09] <jdh> sounds slow
[07:22:16] <r00t4rd3d> 18ipm
[07:22:48] <r00t4rd3d> my reason for going with 5s
[07:25:15] <r00t4rd3d> my gaol is 600ipm or better on this one
[07:49:04] <DJ9DJ> tag
[07:49:09] <jdh> you're it.
[07:49:30] <DJ9DJ> hi
[07:54:58] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjrwBpEduY
[07:57:02] <jthornton> spot drilling and all..
[07:58:17] <skunkworks> This is cool..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoadFewMlzA
[08:02:02] <jthornton> mullernick videos are cool
[08:02:24] <skunkworks> yes - He does some wicked casting too
[08:04:19] <archivist> someone needs to show hib
[08:04:43] <archivist> him a sliding head cutting long thin parts :)
[08:05:16] <skunkworks> I had posted this yesterday.. this seems like interesting timing...
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/product_announcements_manufacturer_news/126952-mycnc_-_computer-numeric-control_control_software-3.html#post1263454
[08:25:18] <mrsun> heh crude division aparatus made ... rod that goes to the spindle back gear :P
[08:25:21] <mrsun> yeah! :P
[08:25:25] <mrsun> archivist, hey!
[08:25:32] <mrsun> you were a gear monger right? :)
[08:25:49] <archivist> mebe
[08:27:29] <rob_h> here a wicked sliding head vid what you can do with dual controls,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjVXbEUZJJs
[08:28:08] <mrsun> archivist, =) do you know anything about timing pulleys? nameley T5 pulleys ...the teeth got 20 degree angles, but a cutting tool for a timing pulley does that have the same form tool for all sizes of pulley? :)
[08:31:29] <archivist> rob_h, I love watching those in the flesh at the shows
[08:32:05] <skunkworks> rob_h, did you see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk_KiWrhi5Y
[08:32:08] <rob_h> yea takes a good programer to get things working smooth like that
[08:32:12] <archivist> mrsun, I do believe you can hob the form which means one cutter all sizes
[08:32:40] <rob_h> i nearly finished clearing that little sliding head out i got, PTFE every dam where... horable, should known better when it said only made plastic parts
[08:32:41] <archivist> I do like the drilling during screw cutting
[08:32:46] <mrsun> archivist, well im going to make a single point and do not have a hob ? :)
[08:33:07] <rob_h> yea i had seen it me and michale have talked quite abit about things too
[08:33:57] <archivist> mrsun, you can generate with with a single tooth cutter just takes more programming
[08:34:30] <archivist> else you need to make the form for each size
[08:34:36] <mrsun> but does the actual tooth change form depending on the pulley radius ? :)
[08:35:20] <rob_h> archivist, had u seen this ,.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brown-Sharp-Star-SNC-10-CNC-Lathe-/321094688932?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item4ac2bc20a4
[08:35:22] <archivist> yes, look at how the form changes when you bend the belt
[08:36:05] <archivist> ew 3K far too much for me
[08:36:51] <archivist> I need to get funds to add cnc to my Bechler
[08:39:23] <rob_h> well lunch over here now better go make some more chips
[08:40:17] <mrsun> archivist, hmm i cant see any change in the tooth form of the belt when i bend it :P
[08:41:06] <carper64_lb> thats the thing is funds ive searched the net for years lookng for money trees but no luck uuuuuup to now
[08:53:56] <mrsun> hmm with a 24 tooth gear, what divisions can i make ? 24, 12, 8, 4, 2, 1 ?:)
[08:55:28] <carper64_lb> forgot 6
[08:55:34] <mrsun> ahh yes
[08:56:45] <archivist> make a vernier device to engage then almost any number
[09:03:35] <carper64_lb> ive just droped a box of 150 drill bits 0.4mm -3.0mm
[09:04:27] <r00t4rd3d> ebay - slightly used.
[09:05:11] <carper64_lb> yep box is empty lol
[10:31:08] <Tom_itx> get a magnet
[10:33:47] <syyl_ws_> then you have a lot of unsorted, magnetised drill bits :D
[10:38:38] <JT-Shop> yuck I hate magnetic drill bits
[10:39:00] <jdh> and clingy women
[10:39:18] <Tom_itx> .4mm would be hard to find if you dropped a box full
[10:39:42] <ssi> usually bits that small have 1/8 shanks
[10:39:50] <ssi> or 3mm rather maybe :)
[10:40:46] <syyl_ws_> ah .4mm carbide drill bit that drops is more likely to be broken...
[10:42:52] <syyl_ws_> i know that from first hand experience with my .4mm endmills :D
[10:45:42] <ssi> yep
[10:45:42] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i kinda like having both cycle times displayed
[10:47:36] <ssi> oh
[11:32:54] <generic_nick|2> i noticed if the power goes out while the machine is in motion, you loose all your work offsets.
[11:33:33] <generic_nick|2> i just lost every work offset i had when a breaker popped.
[11:33:50] <ssi> :(
[11:34:18] <generic_nick|2> not sure if this is a glitch, or even fixable, but i thought i'd mention it.
[11:34:37] <generic_nick|2> it has happened with 2 different machines so i know it isnt an issue with the computer
[11:35:25] <generic_nick|2> all work offsets go to home position (machine 0,0,0) when this happens
[11:35:55] <ssi> is there away to tell who wrote something on the linuxcnc wiki?
[11:36:51] <generic_nick|2> no clue
[11:45:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c32_1367332518
[11:45:34] <r00t4rd3d> holy fuck!
[11:45:49] <r00t4rd3d> most epic plane crash ive ever seen
[11:54:17] <ssi> departure stall
[11:54:21] <ssi> srs one
[11:54:21] <ssi> heh
[11:54:38] <ssi> must have had a hydraulic failure or something
[11:57:37] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:07:24] <ssi> soc stuff is harder than it oughta be
[12:29:57] <WalterN> L84Supper:
http://www.sintecoptronics.com/scanlens.asp $4,000 for the f-theta lens I want
[12:32:50] <IchGuckLive> WalterN: laser first lightning ?
[12:33:18] <WalterN> ..?
[12:33:34] <IchGuckLive> did you already fire the tube
[12:36:01] <WalterN> what tube?
[12:36:13] <ssi> IM FIRIN MAH LAZER
[13:06:58] <mrsun> ffs why is there so little info on making timing pulleys :/
[13:07:40] <IchGuckLive> cause they are cheep to buy
[13:08:03] <mrsun> not when you do not have any money :P
[13:08:28] <pcw_home> Did you see andypughs video of hobbing one?
[13:09:53] <TekniQue> I've made them myself
[13:10:09] <archivist> you have to buy a hob to do that though
[13:10:22] <TekniQue> just using information from Gates about the tooth shape
[13:10:31] <TekniQue> and a bit of CAD work
[13:10:45] <TekniQue> then water jet the shape
[13:12:02] <ssi> if you have the technology to make pulleys,
[13:12:09] <ssi> you have the technology to make things to sell to people for money
[13:12:12] <ssi> and then buy pulleys :D
[13:12:22] <IchGuckLive> AH
[13:12:35] <IchGuckLive> its cheeper to buy pulleys first
[13:13:08] <TekniQue> the exception is custom ratios
[13:13:20] <TekniQue> the pulleys only come in a certain number of different sizes
[13:13:41] <TekniQue> if you want a non-standard number of teeth you pretty much have to make your own
[13:13:42] <IchGuckLive> TekniQue: wrong suppler
[13:14:03] <IchGuckLive> or recalculate your mashine
[13:15:10] <TekniQue> true
[13:16:04] <IchGuckLive> TekniQue: Europ ?
[13:16:35] <TekniQue> yes
[13:17:18] <JesusAlos> hi
[13:18:14] <IchGuckLive> hi
[13:18:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Did you ever get/make any electric matches?
[13:27:09] <JesusAlos> I'm looking for a chinese drive and stepper motor supplier
[13:27:41] <IchGuckLive> zhere are lots in spaiun
[13:28:05] <IchGuckLive> or in the UK
[13:28:46] <mrsun> TekniQue, so gimme some info, does the cutter change from pulley to pullet in size etc =)
[13:28:54] <mrsun> ahh water jet ..
[13:28:55] <mrsun> cheating
[13:28:56] <mrsun> :P
[13:28:57] <JesusAlos> in china country
[13:31:05] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: long motors is a kealing dealer
[13:32:28] <andypugh> mrsun: Send me blanks, I can put teeth on. As long as you want T-5
[13:32:50] <IchGuckLive> im off by
[13:33:45] <JesusAlos> by
[13:33:55] <andypugh> mrsun: When hobbing a gear the cutter is always the same. I am not sure with a belt, it sort-of feels like the hob will make a distorted shape with small pulleys.
[13:36:23] <JesusAlos> eny wireless CNC handwheel linuxcnc compatible?
[13:37:22] <Tom_itx> wireless on cnc is a bad idea imo
[13:37:40] <JesusAlos> an cable?
[13:37:47] <JesusAlos> wire
[13:39:33] <TekniQue> 18:15:09 < mrsun> TekniQue, so gimme some info, does the cutter change from pulley to pullet in size etc =)
[13:39:38] <TekniQue> yes the shape changes a bit
[13:39:48] <TekniQue> but it can still all be done by the same tool
[13:40:15] <TekniQue> it's just that when you bent a cogged belt, the space between the cogs becomes narrower
[13:52:36] <andypugh> JesusAlos: Any MPG will work.
[13:52:48] <andypugh> Or are you wanting a complete pendant?
[13:53:14] <r00t4rd3d> Vietnamese lambo
http://i.imgur.com/o7nutuF.jpg
[13:54:07] <JesusAlos> yes, complet pendant
[13:54:07] <syyl_> below the sheetmetal is a mule instead of a motor...
[13:54:57] <Nick001-Shop> < mrsun> T5mm pulleys 10-21 Teeth is one hob and 21 T &up is another hob. Just looked at my hobs. The angle and shape changes for every tooth #
[13:55:24] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: no
[13:55:24] <andypugh> JesusAlos: This one will work, as it is all separate wires:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-manual-pulse-generator-Pendant-encoder-fr-Siemens-FAGOR-/261182593565?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item3ccfb21a1d
[13:55:41] <L84Supper> WalterN: try getting the glavos going without the f-theta lens, they only cost <$150, the laser spot changing from a circle to an ellipse near the edges might not even be an issue for you
[13:55:45] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Did you still want some?
[13:56:05] <JesusAlos> don't run by usb?
[13:56:05] <andypugh> JesusAlos: There was a guy on the forums with one of these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-3-axis-wireless-MPG-Pendant-handwheel-Controller-for-Mach-3-engraving-Router-/251244444228?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item3a7f55fa44
[13:56:20] <JesusAlos> ah wireless
[13:56:21] <JT-Shop> naw, we only shoot the cannons every now and then
[13:56:26] <JesusAlos> with linuxcnc?
[13:56:30] <andypugh> And parts of it work fine, but the LCD remains a mystery.
[13:57:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ok
[13:57:43] <WalterN> L84Supper: oh, so focus the beam to as small of a column as possible before it goes into the galvos?
[13:58:32] <L84Supper> WalterN: collimate the beam
[13:58:50] <WalterN> yeah
[13:58:55] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Just curious, is 2.5 seconds long enough to fire the cannon?
[13:59:35] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: or would 1.25 be ok?
[13:59:54] <L84Supper> WalterN: if you had mirrors moving on an X and Y axis you'd want the beam collimated as well
[13:59:55] <WalterN> L84Supper: I emailed a different company to see how well f-theta lens would work thats designed for a different wavelength... might be good enough
[14:00:22] <L84Supper> WalterN: whats the output power from your laser?
[14:00:28] <WalterN> 30 watts
[14:00:38] <andypugh> JesusAlos:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Handwheel-USB-MPG-Pendant-for-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Engraving-Router-Machine-l-/251267733331?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item3a80b95753 is a wired version, but it would need a special driver writing to use the LCD, I think.
[14:01:11] <andypugh> JesusAlos: I think that building your own around a 7i73 might be more satisfactory.
[14:01:14] <L84Supper> WalterN: that one you mentioned the other day was only what 10-15% loss at 808nm?
[14:01:24] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: we cut about 6" of fuse and it burns 2.5 seconds/inch, so part of it is in the powder so about 5-7 seconds before the boom
[14:01:25] <WalterN> 12% yeah
[14:01:31] <WalterN> from thor-labs
[14:01:37] <JesusAlos> but is for stepper control
[14:01:44] <JesusAlos> is other machines
[14:01:48] <WalterN> but I emailed a different company that has more selection
[14:02:00] <L84Supper> thats 3-4.5W lost in the lens as heat, just use a fan
[14:02:39] <WalterN> after all the optics, I'd rather not be losing 15% of power
[14:03:05] <L84Supper> you might not even care about the spot becoming an ellipse without the lens
[14:03:37] <WalterN> if the collimated beam is small enough, probably not
[14:03:47] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: is this just gun powder you are igniting?
[14:04:18] <L84Supper> bbl
[14:04:23] <WalterN> L84Supper: how small could I reasonably get the beam anyway?
[14:04:43] <L84Supper> WalterN: whats the inner dia of the fiber?
[14:05:01] <WalterN> NA is 1.6 I think
[14:05:10] <L84Supper> um?
[14:05:18] <WalterN> fiber thickness?
[14:05:19] <WalterN> uh
[14:05:36] <WalterN> 400?
[14:05:54] <L84Supper> WalterN: i forget the part number, it's in the spec
[14:05:59] <andypugh> Why does JesusAlos think that an MPG would be stepper-specific?
[14:06:01] <WalterN> yeah
[14:06:10] <WalterN> L84Supper: lets say its 500
[14:07:19] <L84Supper> with the least amount of optics that could be the spot size
[14:07:51] <WalterN> oh
[14:08:28] <L84Supper> http://www.edmundoptics.com/learning-and-support/technical/learning-center/eo-tech-tools/index.cfm?techtoolid=7
[14:08:36] <WalterN> so you dont have to focus it down to a point then just after the point expand it to collimate the beam?
[14:08:41] <L84Supper> more reading is required on your part :)
[14:09:32] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: no it is single F black powder
[14:09:36] <L84Supper> depends on what you want to do, have to run, there's lots of websites that explain howto do this
[14:09:56] <WalterN> yeha
[14:10:37] <L84Supper> http://www.edmundoptics.com/learning-and-support/technical/learning-center/application-notes/index.cfm?categoryid=21&sort=alpha
[14:11:49] <WalterN> its 600
[14:11:55] <WalterN> anyway
[14:18:20] <JesusAlos> no body wath real madrid VS borussia dortmund
[14:19:02] <JesusAlos> ?
[14:19:18] <JT-Shop> ?
[14:19:37] <jdh> ?
[14:20:24] <ProxDem> say what?
[14:23:52] <JesusAlos> http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/Home.htm
[14:24:23] <JesusAlos> football
[14:24:58] <JesusAlos> champions league
[14:25:55] <JesusAlos> is Europe football league
[14:32:20] <Loetmichel> jef79m: football is an nuninteresting game for me
[14:32:33] <Loetmichel> even when its germans against spain
[14:32:43] <Loetmichel> sorry, i meant JesusAlos
[14:50:58] <JesusAlos> :)
[14:54:08] <JesusAlos> http://gallopintonews.blogspot.com.es/2012/06/platini-vaticina-una-final-espana.html
[14:54:40] <andypugh> JesusAlos: Why do you think those mpgs were for stepper systems?
[14:56:17] <JesusAlos> don't run in stepper system?
[14:56:51] <andypugh> They should all work either system
[14:58:30] <JesusAlos> ok
[14:58:32] <JesusAlos> thank
[14:59:28] <JesusAlos> eny reference to configure z axis cero tool
[15:03:50] <andypugh> I don't think I understand the question
[15:04:59] <JesusAlos> I don't say in english
[15:05:19] <JesusAlos> is a swith for probe the lengh of tools
[15:05:31] <JesusAlos> swithc in the table
[15:05:37] <JesusAlos> you know?
[15:10:38] <ProxDem> anybody have any good read on kinematics for adjusting an axis sag?
[15:16:41] <Jymmm> bigger axis
[15:17:03] <JesusAlos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM3l5yXAgx8
[15:17:04] <Tecan> (DM3l5yXAgx8) "catia dmu kinematics" by "yotomadaniel" is "Education" - Length: 0:01:07
[15:17:11] <JesusAlos> CATIA
[15:18:26] <andypugh> ProxDem: I may be about to submit just the component you need. It could be used to create a Z-correction based on X-position.
[15:30:14] <ProxDem> andypugh: that would be very very awesome =)
[15:30:30] <ProxDem> andypugh: via kinematics?
[15:31:03] <andypugh> No, just adding a value from a lookup table.
[15:31:19] <andypugh> You might find that probekins suits your situation too.
[15:31:40] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProbeKins
[15:32:04] <andypugh> You don't _need_ to use a probe, you could hand-write the correction mesh.
[15:32:23] <ProxDem> andypugh: I thought probekins (uses triangular data)
[15:32:50] <ProxDem> andypugh: A sample example of a few points with only the X axis moving is what I couldn't find =(
[15:32:52] <andypugh> Yes. And?
[15:33:36] <ProxDem> andypugh: right now I have no correct surface to scan (as trying to level the bed is what showed me the sagging issue lol
[15:33:59] <ProxDem> are you suggesting I create triangular data based simply on the x axis sag?
[15:34:02] <andypugh> Hand write a simulated probe grid, then probe2stl it.
[15:35:17] <andypugh> Just duplicate a set of X values and associated Z offsets at the Y limits
[15:35:48] <andypugh> (Fixing the machine would be bettter)
[15:35:58] <ProxDem> unfortunetly that is not possible at this time =(
[15:38:38] <ssi> any of you folks SoC kernel hackers? :D
[15:42:31] <ProxDem> andypugh: thank you for your time and insights =)
[15:43:10] <andypugh> You get the idea of just using the same X/Z data at two different Y values?
[15:43:41] <mrsun> TekniQue, Nick001-Shop hmm ok =) that sucks =)
[15:47:33] <JesusAlos> gol
[15:47:38] <ProxDem> andypugh: yes As soon as you said Yes. And?...I responded with are you suggesting I create a triangular data based simply on the x axis sag =)
[15:47:52] <JesusAlos> 2-0
[15:48:10] <ProxDem> it was so obvious but it took your Yes. And? to make me think about it lol
[15:48:54] <JesusAlos> Benzema
[15:50:55] <ProxDem> andypugh: again thank you =)
[15:55:53] <skunkworks> poor nick got shut down.. I don't think he was name calling - but I might be biased.. I think the moderator didn't understand what was going on.
[15:55:57] <skunkworks> http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/f38/whats-more-popular-mach3-linuxcnc-18546/
[15:57:03] <JesusAlos> what kind of kins use probekins?
[16:01:27] <andypugh> JesusAlos: Probekins _is_ a kins, but it replaces trivkins.
[16:03:07] <JesusAlos> this seems a mouthful
[16:03:18] <ProxDem> lol
[16:03:27] <JesusAlos> I'm not sure undestand
[16:03:35] <ProxDem> it's very usefull for warped pcb milling
[16:03:41] <ProxDem> and tons of other stuff
[16:03:43] <JesusAlos> there must use aphisical sensor?
[16:05:22] <Tuipveus> falle ralle ra
[16:06:25] <ProxDem> JesusAlos: yes...a probe...thus the name probekins (for probing kinematics)
[16:06:58] <andypugh> JesusAlos: It is designed to allow you to probe the surface with a physical sensor (or laser, I guess) but you can actually create the correction mesh any way you want.
[16:07:31] <JesusAlos> I thinking...
[16:07:37] <JesusAlos> is very interesting
[16:08:03] <JesusAlos> there a a way to scaner the surface like a 3D scaner?
[16:08:33] <JesusAlos> I mean?
[16:10:10] <JesusAlos> is like record the surface geometry, then use this to replicate the geometry in other surface
[16:12:26] <Tuipveus> I thought that sumpfralle would know "Ulle dulle doff, kinkelade koff"
[16:15:00] <ssi> sigh
[16:15:03] <ssi> IRC is mostly so terrible
[16:20:29] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[17:06:19] <gabewillen> So im about done with a completely re-wrote hal
[17:06:48] <andypugh> How do you mean?
[17:06:48] <gabewillen> i have been working non-stop on it for the past month
[17:07:09] <gabewillen> i needed to implement linuxcnc and an arm based processor
[17:07:16] <andypugh> As in, a different sort of HAL?
[17:07:19] <gabewillen> yes
[17:07:39] <andypugh> Have you been following the developments elsewhere?
[17:07:45] <gabewillen> no
[17:08:45] <andypugh> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.devel
[17:10:31] <gabewillen> I have it working on a cortex-m3
[17:11:14] <gabewillen> i was thinking about making a branch called OSACS, open sourced automation control system
[17:11:27] <gabewillen> geared more towards non-standard use of lcnc
[17:11:33] <gabewillen> what i tend to use it for
[17:11:38] <andypugh> There are already mainline-ish versions for BeagleBone and Raspberry Pi
[17:12:29] <gabewillen> I knew that, but this isn't geared as a replacement to the pc
[17:12:48] <gabewillen> simply an extension like mesa or pluto
[17:12:50] <andypugh> I am trying to find the message..
[17:13:01] <gabewillen> handles all of the real time functions
[17:13:28] <zultron> gabewillen, any links to your work?
[17:13:54] <gabewillen> nope just on my computer, i have yet to ever release anything i have talked about
[17:14:01] <gabewillen> but this took a substantial amount of work
[17:14:16] <zultron> Ah well.
[17:14:17] <gabewillen> i seem to always choose the hardest route
[17:14:34] <gabewillen> could of just bought a mesa board but no
[17:15:38] <gabewillen> take everything i say with a grain of salt
[17:17:40] <gabewillen> in all seriousness i have a bad track record for not following through
[17:17:44] <Jymmm> s/salt/beer/
[17:18:21] <PCW> s/grain/pint/
[17:18:38] <andypugh> gabewillen: This might interest you too:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/43082/focus=43264
[17:19:26] <gabewillen> Where do we see the future of real time?
[17:19:34] <gabewillen> rtai, xenomai, rtpreempt or all 3?
[17:20:22] <andypugh> All three, but RTAI looks like something that could just disappear.
[17:20:51] <gabewillen> thats what i am thinking
[17:20:59] <gabewillen> the new kernel's open up alot for RT
[17:21:18] <gabewillen> the usb HID was extremely easy to integrate
[17:21:41] <gabewillen> with the rtpreempt 3.6.32 kernel i am using now
[17:22:28] <gabewillen> my question is, should i make this backwords compatible?
[17:22:52] <gabewillen> i have already re wrote some of the components
[17:23:10] <gabewillen> i was thinking about writing a template language to make creating component's extremely simple
[17:25:52] <gabewillen> Is mike active on here andy?
[17:26:25] <andypugh> Isn't "comp" simple enough for component writing?
[17:26:47] <andypugh> Michael Haberler you mean?
[17:27:07] <gabewillen> yes
[17:27:36] <andypugh> He is hear nearl all the time, but logs off at about 9pm (GMT)
[17:27:48] <andypugh> ie, 2 hours ago.
[17:28:00] <andypugh> (here, nearly) Bah!
[17:28:13] <gabewillen> ah i see, i'll catch him tomorrow?
[17:28:20] <gabewillen> sorry lol that wasn't a question
[17:28:45] <andypugh> He is on Euro-time.
[17:29:10] <JT-Shop> holy moly I had a fire in the heater the other day and now I need to go get some shorts and flip flops on...
[17:29:40] <andypugh> gabewillen: I think Zulton is aware of the goings-on there, lets see if he wakes up :-)
[17:30:10] <andypugh> Flip-flops and hot swarf, a match made in heaven.
[17:34:37] <zultron> Sorry fellas, wasn't paying attention.
[17:34:42] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, hang tight... it's gonna snow again in a couple days
[17:35:42] <andypugh> Time to go, see you tomorrow chaps.
[17:36:11] <Tom_itx> later andy
[17:40:48] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: here in Missouri you are correct it might snow next
[17:41:05] <JT-Shop> cradek: have you had any bike riding weather yet?
[17:41:23] <Tom_itx> it's supposed to turn cold again here
[17:41:41] <Tom_itx> isn't this supposed to be over?
[17:52:39] <JT-Shop> it's never over here in Missouri and is always changing except for last summer and it was real hot all summer
[18:34:26] <JT-Shop> everything is done execpt all the things I've not done :)
[18:44:47] <gabewillen> yeah jt
[18:44:52] <gabewillen> we just skipped spring
[18:44:59] <gabewillen> from 50 to 90 in one day
[20:34:45] <pfred1> hey who wants to check out my nuts?
[20:37:41] <skunkworks> do they screw?
[20:37:54] <pfred1> skunkworks very smoothly I think
[20:39:33] <pfred1> I made my own tap for them out of acme rod but that proved difficult to cut threads with enough space in them
[20:39:55] <pfred1> so I tweaked my tap to give me the clearance I needed
[20:40:02] <pfred1> I used a punch on some of the teeth
[20:40:25] <pfred1> which I thought was a brilliant solution
[20:44:59] <pfred1> no one wants nuts that feel too tight
[20:47:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy_cnc_router_table_machines/178546-beta_testers_wanted_dovetail_software.html
[20:48:38] <pfred1> just when i setup a whole new system to run LinuxCNC too!
[20:50:00] <pfred1> anyone want to check out me derusting a saw blade?
[20:50:09] <pfred1> being as my nuts didn't go over so big...
[21:09:33] <L84Supper> are they big nuts?
[21:10:05] <pfred1> not too big
[21:10:42] <pfred1> 1/2 X 10 TPI acme
[21:10:57] <L84Supper> have a pic of your tap?
[21:11:12] <pfred1> I could take one I actually made 2
[21:11:33] <L84Supper> interested in your mods
[21:11:49] <L84Supper> to provide better nut clearance
[21:11:53] <pfred1> I wrote an article about how i made them here
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-an-Acme-Tap/
[21:12:07] <pfred1> yeah I didn't hit upon the peening of the taps when I wrote that article
[21:12:33] <pfred1> well I only peened one of them and use the other as a starter
[21:13:26] <L84Supper> so you made it harder by peening
[21:13:27] <pfred1> I just took a sharp prick punch and carefully smacked some of the teeth in the middle to expand them a little
[21:13:40] <pfred1> nah it makes the metal blow out a little
[21:14:00] <L84Supper> clever little cleaver
[21:14:14] <pfred1> I got the idea thinking of how people adjust framing squares
[21:14:32] <pfred1> don't ask me how I made the leap but that is what I was thinking about
[21:14:55] <pfred1> I guess punches and displacing metal
[21:15:06] <pfred1> anyhow it works
[21:15:46] <pfred1> about halfway up one of the taps I smacked a few of the teeth and I can see them cutting more than the others
[21:16:19] <pfred1> before that i was tapping with a drill over and over and it wasn't making the nut really run easily on the rod
[21:17:06] <pfred1> eventually I'd heat the tap up enough it would expand and kind of get a better fit
[21:17:21] <pfred1> but I was like there has to be a better way than this
[21:18:49] <pfred1> I saw some real butcher jobs on the net people making homemade acme taps
[21:19:10] <pfred1> one guy with a Dremel and the rod in a vise it was painful to watch
[21:19:47] <pfred1> they seemed proud with their results though :\
[21:34:36] <ssi> so, figures
[21:34:51] <ssi> all day long i sat here and worked on trying to get the linuxcnc arm stuff to work on the new BBB
[21:34:57] <ssi> and the minute I step away, folks start talking about it
[21:35:46] <pfred1> x86 4evah!
[21:36:11] <ssi> lul
[22:01:43] <generic_nick|2> i love it when my spider gears explode in my differential.
[22:57:35] <ssi> I guess the roadblock is there's no ipipe patches for 3.8 yet
[22:57:42] <ssi> :(
[23:15:30] <GammaX-Laptop> and the shop is finally moved! :)
