#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-03-30

[00:20:00] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.bealltool.com/products/threading/threader.php
[00:20:07] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCLGCzOqjv8&feature=channel_page
[00:20:09] <Tecan> (UCLGCzOqjv8) "Wood Threader How To Part 1 You Tube" by "J.R. Beall" is "Howto" - Length: 0:09:57
[00:20:12] <r00t4rd3d> i am sold
[00:20:27] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
[00:36:59] <r00t4rd3d> ?
[00:46:22] <tjb1> http://imgur.com/gallery/ESXFo
[02:07:15] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[03:07:59] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:55:00] <archivist> t12 blue chips from cutting is not unusual and oil smoke would be regarded as a cancer risk so dont think that way
[05:50:59] <jthornton> Tom_itx, are you awake?
[05:53:15] <jthornton> logger[psha], log
[05:53:15] <logger[psha]> jthornton: Log stored at http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23linuxcnc/2013-03-30.html
[07:45:14] <jthornton> oh no, I'm learning how to count in hex
[07:46:07] <archivist> oh F00x
[07:46:56] <jthornton> playing with AVR Studio 4 and a C program atm
[07:47:35] <archivist> I am an AVR fee zone
[07:47:38] <archivist> free
[07:48:07] <jthornton> lol
[07:48:19] <jthornton> are you in a pic zone?
[07:48:52] <archivist> yes I have made a few thousand PIC clocks
[07:49:54] <jthornton> is there any difference between AVR and PIC other than the manufacturer?
[07:50:33] <archivist> price and instruction set
[07:51:04] <jthornton> how easy is it to program a PIC?
[07:51:05] <archivist> it was price that made me go the PIC route
[07:51:27] <archivist> programming PIC is not the easiest
[07:51:39] <jthornton> what software do you use to program with?
[07:52:07] <archivist> I used the MPLAB assembler
[07:52:57] <jthornton> so you program them in assembly?
[07:52:58] <archivist> bought the Microchip programmer as we wanted some reliability rather than the homebrew stuff one sees on the net
[07:53:15] <archivist> yes I use assembler
[07:53:30] <jthornton> I even have a Peter North Assembly Language book somewhere
[07:54:13] <jthornton> are the chips price a big difference or the progammer pricing?
[07:54:42] <archivist> these days I think the prices are more even
[07:55:38] <archivist> there is a freenode channel for AVR users (never been there though)
[07:57:33] <jthornton> by golly there is
[07:57:51] <jthornton> 156 folks on line
[07:58:06] <archivist> choices for ease of use and one offs is different to a few thousand in production
[07:58:09] <jthornton> at this point I think c would be easier to do for me
[07:58:30] <jthornton> yea, I would be doing one offs
[07:58:34] <archivist> or classic ladder
[07:58:42] <archivist> or ttl
[07:59:35] <archivist> are you interfacing to a display
[07:59:56] <jthornton> no
[08:37:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://youtu.be/TUA3lryix64
[08:37:26] <Tecan> (TUA3lryix64) "How to Turn a Cylinder with a Router" by "wwgoaeditor" is "Howto" - Length: 0:13:19
[08:39:22] <Tom_itx> jthornton, am now
[08:42:09] <Tom_itx> pics have banked memory which can be a pita
[08:42:17] <Tom_itx> and used to be the tools weren't free
[08:42:29] <Tom_itx> not sure about now... got into avr and never looked back
[08:43:37] <Tom_itx> i used picbasic pro and ccs c on pic back then
[08:57:14] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I managed to do a c program in AVR studio for a amega16 this morning and almost understand what I did LOL
[09:01:06] <Tom_itx> cool
[09:01:12] <Tom_itx> did you install winavr?
[09:02:09] <Tom_itx> probably so since studio relies on it...
[09:03:09] <JT-Shop> yes I had to do it twice as it turns out you need to install winavr first
[09:03:17] <Tom_itx> :)
[09:03:29] <Tom_itx> wanna try it witout studio now?
[09:03:58] <Tom_itx> all i really use stuido for is to download the hex file to the chip
[09:04:14] <Tom_itx> i write the code in programmers notepad and compile it right there
[09:04:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/manualwoodthreader128tpi.aspx
[09:05:20] <JT-Shop> can you run the sim from there?
[09:05:20] <Tom_itx> studio 6 has winavr builtin to it
[09:05:20] <JT-Shop> I won't have time to work on it this morning, going on a poker run in a bit
[09:05:20] <Tom_itx> no
[09:05:31] <Tom_itx> that's just in studio
[09:05:31] <Tom_itx> there are 2 sim files too depending on which chip you have
[09:05:42] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure why they split them
[09:05:55] <Tom_itx> that's fine, i have a job in an hour anyway
[09:06:46] <Tom_itx> the sim is only so good though... you can't sim ADC or interrupts very well
[09:06:55] <Tom_itx> i debug with an led usually
[09:06:59] <Tom_itx> or serial terminal
[09:16:42] <Tom_itx> jthornton, btw the mega16 is an older chip and doesn't have alot of the features the newer ones have. it's not obsolete by any means though
[09:17:52] <JT-Shop> what's a newer chip?
[09:18:00] <Tom_itx> those i mentioned
[09:18:06] <Tom_itx> like the 48 8 168 etc
[09:18:10] <Tom_itx> there are others
[09:18:14] <JT-Shop> ok
[09:18:21] <Tom_itx> do you need a 40 dip?
[09:18:31] <JT-Shop> LOL, I don't have a clue
[09:18:34] <Tom_itx> those ^^ are 28 pin
[09:18:44] <Tom_itx> 16 and 32 are 40 dip
[09:18:51] <Tom_itx> i've got a few of the 32's
[09:18:57] <Tom_itx> still use em
[09:19:22] <Tom_itx> not the 8 rather 88
[09:19:31] <Tom_itx> the 8 seems to be a pita sometimes
[09:19:54] <JT-Shop> this a 48? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA48A-PU/ATMEGA48A-PU-ND/2271048
[09:19:54] <Tom_itx> although it's pin compatible with the 48 88 168 328 it's an older chip
[09:19:59] <Tom_itx> yeah
[09:21:23] <Tom_itx> it's got adc, pwm, usart spi i2c etc
[09:21:24] <JT-Shop> the bigger number has more?
[09:21:30] <Tom_itx> more flash
[09:21:33] <Tom_itx> same features
[09:21:43] <Tom_itx> in a series of chips that is
[09:22:27] <Tom_itx> those i mentioned ^^ are all basically the same just more flash
[09:22:39] <JT-Shop> what's the difference between the mega and tiny?
[09:22:48] <Tom_itx> tiny are smaller
[09:23:10] <JT-Shop> the 88 mega and tiny are both 28 dip
[09:23:14] <Tom_itx> still have alot of the good features though
[09:23:20] <Tom_itx> you just gotta pick and choose
[09:23:31] <Tom_itx> check the feature list
[09:23:42] <Tom_itx> i haven't done alot of the tinys myself
[09:23:44] <Tom_itx> just a few
[09:23:51] <Tom_itx> the 2313 is one i've used
[09:24:17] <Tom_itx> i started using the tiny10 when i was developing my programmer
[09:24:46] <Tom_itx> you can get atmel branded programmers too if you want
[09:25:02] <Tom_itx> atmel typically has been more hobbyist friendly than pic over the years
[09:25:03] <JT-Shop> does it make any difference?
[09:25:07] <Tom_itx> nope
[09:25:21] <Tom_itx> you can make a programmer with 2 resistors if you really wanted
[09:25:23] <JT-Shop> does yours have the easy in and out socket thing?
[09:25:36] <Tom_itx> no, you would need a breaboard
[09:25:49] <Tom_itx> however i have a little adapter for the breadboard..
[09:25:52] <Tom_itx> lemme show you
[09:25:58] <JT-Shop> ok
[09:26:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/new_kits/USBTinyMkII_adapter_kit_desc.jpg
[09:26:32] <Tom_itx> the right plug
[09:26:48] <Tom_itx> i'll toss one in if you want
[09:27:01] <Tom_itx> nobody uses the 6 to 10 anymore
[09:27:25] <Tom_itx> the 10 pin was the old programmer plug, nowdays nearly everyone has gone to the 6 pin
[09:27:36] <Tom_itx> the extra pins were ground and a status led
[09:27:39] <JT-Shop> is that just for the tiny
[09:27:46] <Tom_itx> no
[09:27:56] <Tom_itx> my programmer will work on all the 8bit avrs
[09:28:02] <Tom_itx> the 32bit are jtag only
[09:28:08] <JT-Shop> the top part is the programmer?
[09:28:12] <Tom_itx> yes
[09:28:20] <Tom_itx> the 3 plugs are for the different protocols
[09:28:25] <Tom_itx> TPI PDI and ISP
[09:28:51] <Tom_itx> the PDI parts are 3v only
[09:28:51] <JT-Shop> ok you plug the breadboard one into the breadboard at the correct location for the chip?
[09:29:05] <Tom_itx> no you plug it in and jumper to the pins
[09:29:08] <Tom_itx> just a sec..
[09:29:24] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/mega168_howto_main_index.php
[09:29:36] <Tom_itx> like you see there except that doesn't have the little adapter
[09:29:40] <Tom_itx> i just made one up
[09:30:10] <Tom_itx> 6 pins:
[09:30:13] <Tom_itx> MISO
[09:30:14] <Tom_itx> MOSI
[09:30:15] <Tom_itx> SCK
[09:30:17] <Tom_itx> RESET
[09:30:20] <Tom_itx> POWER
[09:30:21] <Tom_itx> GND
[09:30:34] <Tom_itx> in the case of the PDI and TPI there are only 4
[09:31:29] <Tom_itx> there's a couple sample programs there if you wanna play
[09:31:35] <Tom_itx> that's why i wrote that
[09:31:41] <Tom_itx> to get noobs started
[09:32:48] <JT-Shop> ok that is great
[09:33:38] <Tom_itx> you will likely get more online support using avr over pic too
[09:33:48] <Tom_itx> since they're more hobby friendly
[09:35:46] <Tom_itx> i focused on those chips since ardweenie started out with them and they are rather popular
[09:36:09] <JT-Shop> TILIGHT9?
[09:36:17] <Tom_itx> ?
[09:36:19] <Tom_itx> where
[09:36:33] <JT-Shop> your paypal
[09:36:36] <Tom_itx> oh
[09:36:42] <JT-Shop> never mind I see now
[09:36:46] <Tom_itx> heh
[09:37:21] <JT-Shop> I'll order some chips from digi-key tomorrow to mess with
[09:37:29] <Tom_itx> k
[09:37:42] <Tom_itx> i'd recomend a few tiny as well as mega
[09:37:54] <JT-Shop> I need to inventory my stuff, I know I don't have a 7805
[09:38:03] <Tom_itx> like the t13 and probably your choice of teh 48 88 168 328
[09:38:10] <JT-Shop> ok
[09:38:14] <Tom_itx> i'll send you one if you need
[09:38:22] <Tom_itx> i have a few extra
[09:38:23] <JT-Shop> ok
[09:38:31] <JT-Shop> you get the order?
[09:38:34] <Tom_itx> along with the plug thing
[09:38:39] <Tom_itx> didn't look
[09:38:49] <JT-Shop> ok thanks for the help on this
[09:38:52] <Tom_itx> i won't have time to make it to the post today though
[09:38:59] <Tom_itx> gotta work on my day off
[09:39:00] <JT-Shop> no problem
[09:39:18] <JT-Shop> yuck
[09:39:38] <Tom_itx> just one job.. not all day
[09:39:39] <Tom_itx> :)
[09:39:44] <Tom_itx> don't feel to sorry for me
[09:39:54] <Tom_itx> i did get the order..
[09:39:54] <JT-Shop> I'll study your tutorial in the morning
[09:40:01] <JT-Shop> cool
[09:40:15] <Tom_itx> make a list and i'll toss in some goodies
[09:40:21] <JT-Shop> thanks
[09:40:39] <Tom_itx> you have resistors?
[09:41:06] <Tom_itx> 10k for a pullup and 330 for leds
[09:41:10] <JT-Shop> I have a assortment pack from rat shack with about 200 or so
[09:41:12] <Tom_itx> ok
[09:41:15] <JT-Shop> 1/8 watt I think
[09:41:17] <Tom_itx> i've got the same one, they'll have what you need
[09:41:23] <Tom_itx> 1/4
[09:41:26] <JT-Shop> it is the big assortment pack
[09:41:26] <Tom_itx> yeah
[09:41:33] <Tom_itx> i dig into it every so often
[09:41:56] <JT-Shop> first thing I did was mark the paper tape with the values lol
[09:42:28] <Tom_itx> me too
[09:42:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/pMV75Hh.jpg
[09:42:53] <Tom_itx> get some cat5 for jumper wire
[09:42:58] <Tom_itx> for your breadboard
[09:43:03] <Tom_itx> or
[09:43:17] <JT-Shop> I have some solid jumper wire that came in a sparkfun kit
[09:43:34] <JT-Shop> and a wad of jumpers with ends on them
[09:43:34] <r00t4rd3d> same stuff
[09:43:49] <Tom_itx> http://dx.com/p/breadboard-jumper-wires-for-electronic-diy-70-cable-pack-80208
[09:43:51] <JT-Shop> and I have miles of cat6e
[09:43:52] <Tom_itx> or tat
[09:43:53] <Tom_itx> that
[09:44:07] <r00t4rd3d> ive used a bread tie for a jumper
[09:44:10] <Tom_itx> those come in male and female
[09:44:11] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[09:44:13] <JT-Shop> that is what I got
[09:44:26] <JT-Shop> or similar
[09:44:31] <Tom_itx> yeah
[09:45:08] <JT-Shop> well time to roll out a bike and get ready to depart
[09:45:13] <Tom_itx> ok
[09:45:17] <JT-Shop> talk to you later
[09:45:34] <r00t4rd3d> im about to put a new engine on my bike
[09:46:30] <JT-Shop> I just put my BlueWing back together from an air filter change and CB install... wow a bunch had to come off
[09:47:24] <r00t4rd3d> needs to be in the 50's before i think about riding
[09:47:32] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/252184
[09:47:36] <r00t4rd3d> 47
[09:47:37] <r00t4rd3d> HIGH
[09:47:39] <r00t4rd3d> close!
[09:47:52] <JT-Shop> well the saddle bags didn't need to come off but I dropped a screw or 3
[09:48:16] <JT-Shop> 47F with a high of 60F and rain this afternoon
[09:48:59] <JT-Shop> see you guys later
[10:10:36] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, about pic vs avr, this Aussie guy is a scream, opinionated AND good info http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBftApUQ8QI
[10:10:36] <Tecan> (DBftApUQ8QI) "EEVblog #63 - Microchip PIC vs Atmel AVR" by "EEVblog" is "Tech" - Length: 0:24:13
[10:10:49] <tjtr33> ha! like minds!
[10:11:06] <tjtr33> coke on you!
[10:32:23] * r00t4rd3d breaks out straw
[10:33:49] <tjtr33> no, when I was a kid, when 2 people said same thing, you could claim a cocacola if you said that 1st ( tomp <- old guy )
[11:01:37] <skunkworks> jynx was word
[11:04:19] <alex_joni> howdy
[11:05:53] <skunkworks> Hi alex
[11:18:33] <skunkworks> this is cool http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/17806-gscreen-a-gtk--glade--python-based-screen?start=660#32096
[11:20:15] <skunkworks> 'We are currently using the Fanuc style patch and our programs are virtually identical to the $60,000.00 Fagor retrofit I had done on our largest turning center. '
[11:23:38] <archivist> hmm sexy and 10 miles from here but I already have one fleabay 230955406540
[11:39:45] <tjtr33> does anyone have links to the 'Fanuc style patch'?, I found discussions on wiki, but no code.
[11:39:51] <tjtr33> is gscreen-industrial a skin to be downloaded?
[11:39:53] <tjtr33> haha, one of the screen in wiki is Mach.http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/gscreen-mapped2.png
[11:41:46] <tjtr33> or an amiga :)
[11:48:05] <tjtr33> that is one long thread on gscreen
[11:53:14] <skunkworks> that was an attempt to show how flexable gscreen is iirc
[11:54:57] <skunkworks> gscreen as is a few other screen sets are in the development branch of linuxcnc
[11:58:52] <tjtr33> thx, I'm still reading the thread, CMorely, JT, Nick from cncRU, mha's git repo... this is thick!
[12:01:03] <tjtr33> i did come across the idea of using estop to turn off the machine.
[12:01:03] <tjtr33> we used to have a 'sleep' button, if it was on, and you ended the running porgram OR hit estop, the machine had power removed. so it depended on this 'sleep' btn.
[12:21:16] <tjtr33> hey! gscreen, even gscreen-industrial is just built into my rip of master ( 2.6.0~pre)
[12:21:19] <tjtr33> it would've been easy to say 'its in master'
[12:21:43] <tjtr33> stopping on page 23 of 67 in that thread :|
[12:55:44] <tjtr33> thx skunkworks you did say that it was in master
[13:12:02] <IchGuckLive> hi all and Happy easter weekend O.O :D
[13:21:40] <IchGuckLive> today only 50 sheets of metal thrue the plasma still on full motion at 2500mm/min with Nema24 3Nm
[13:40:18] <andypugh> skunkworks: http://youtu.be/ltmZrDrt6pQ
[13:40:20] <Tecan> (ltmZrDrt6pQ) "Pulley" by "andy pugh" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:44
[13:53:05] <BHSPiMonkey> woooo https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/887273_4482884400811_920115863_o.jpg
[13:56:57] <BHSPiMonkey> r00t4rd3d: the carbide endmill didn't burn. wewt
[14:10:13] <Connor> andypugh: Is that your machine?
[14:10:18] <Connor> and is that you talking? :)
[14:12:35] <andypugh> Connor: Yes, to both.
[14:15:29] <Connor> Interesting mill.
[14:17:45] <andypugh> It's a "Universal" so it has a horizontal and a vertical spindle, and the table swings. The table-swing is especially useful for gear hobbing.
[14:17:58] <Tom_itx> that rotary sure takes up alot of space
[14:18:31] <Connor> What was that gear for ?
[14:18:53] <andypugh> It's a timing pulley for the X axis drive of the mill itself.
[14:20:19] <IchGuckLive> today is gear day ?
[14:20:21] <andypugh> The rotary can go right on the end of the bed, I get a pretty good length between centres. The 4-jaw chuck is a big part of it.
[14:20:39] <IchGuckLive> http://foengarage.de/gears.html gears i made in CSS
[14:21:08] <andypugh> IchGuckLive: Not gears. Peg-wheels :-)
[14:21:18] <IchGuckLive> PNG
[14:31:44] <IchGuckLive> im off By
[16:08:27] <skunkworks> andypugh: awesome
[16:13:50] <andypugh> I could offer a pulley-toothing service now.
[16:17:56] <Loetmichel> andypugh: got a indexer for the mill?
[16:19:34] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Can you elaborate?
[16:21:09] <Loetmichel> [22:00] <andypugh> I could offer a pulley-toothing service now. <- got an indexing chuck (with a worm gear) to make the tooth on the pulleys or why can you offer that now?
[16:21:26] <Loetmichel> teeth
[16:21:49] <andypugh> Loetmichel: http://youtu.be/ltmZrDrt6pQ
[16:22:53] <Loetmichel> seeing it now... my wife says you have a thick english accent ;-)
[16:23:09] <andypugh> I have the accent of a thick englishman?
[16:23:57] <Loetmichel> you have a very notiveable accent.
[16:24:18] <andypugh> Yes. Even I think I sound strange :-)
[16:24:18] <Loetmichel> from where: dont know, wife is alredy gone to bed so i cant ask ;-)
[16:24:29] <Loetmichel> noticeable
[16:25:25] <Loetmichel> *ah, the famous ikea jansoe
[16:25:26] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:25:42] <Loetmichel> +j
[16:26:05] <andypugh> Nice lights.
[16:26:24] <Loetmichel> i know
[16:26:33] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12223
[16:26:34] <Loetmichel> :-)
[16:31:02] <Loetmichel> andypugh: my wife is a governmet approved english and german highschool teacher
[16:31:17] <Loetmichel> and she has an "ear" for accents
[16:31:19] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:32:24] <andypugh> I am trying to decide how to mount the lights to the machine. I probably need to take off the old LoVo light with it's big 3-phase transformer.
[16:38:53] <JT-Shop> tjtr33: good one
[16:56:32] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i did manage to get your stuff out this morning
[17:35:37] <BHSPiMonkey> wish my GRBL controller could pass-thru control of the stepper drivers directly to my PC
[17:36:02] <BHSPiMonkey> I'm having some problems with its creative interpretations of certain curves...
[17:36:52] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[17:49:38] <L84Supper> andypugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uche2iX4kGs here's that factory that didn't want to use a steam turbine and generator to reclaim the steam from their giant autoclaves
[17:49:39] <Tecan> (Uche2iX4kGs) "James Hardie Siding: "How It's Made"" by "James Hardie" is "Education" - Length: 0:04:48
[17:51:32] <andypugh> Hmm, sand-water ball mill. Those can explode, you know.
[17:52:59] <L84Supper> the autoclaves are pretty big, they ended up wasting more energy by adding a cooling tower for the *waste* steam
[17:57:02] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: thanks
[18:01:52] <andypugh> L84Supper: Aye, that never made any sense at all to me.
[18:09:18] <t12> i'm no longer going to claim outrage on small cable assy costs
[18:09:24] <t12> after putting this together
[18:09:25] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/nvf575qghiqrfe8/JFq8gS7dV-
[18:38:55] <andypugh> Blimey, I just found out the price of AutoDesk Factory Design Suite (which I get to use for free at home because we have a network license at home). Its €11,000 !
[18:39:43] <JT-Shop> gotta love it
[18:41:41] <syyl_> nothing you cant do with just a pencil and a lot of paper
[18:43:27] <JT-Shop> and a slide rule
[18:47:52] <alex_joni> JT-Shop: hi
[18:48:05] <JT-Shop> hi alex_joni
[18:48:12] <JT-Shop> your up late :)
[18:52:42] <alex_joni> yup, still working on the usermap ;)
[18:52:57] <JT-Shop> cool, find a new one?
[18:55:17] <alex_joni> kinda.. found one, but it's not really ok
[18:55:22] <alex_joni> so I started coding a new one
[18:55:27] <alex_joni> about 80% finished
[18:59:49] <JT-Shop> cool, what are you using to build the map?
[19:06:00] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you have a wet ride?
[19:06:38] <JT-Shop> a bit of rain on the last leg and on the way home, not enough to bring out the Frogg Toggs
[19:07:25] <Tom_itx> it came thru here about 3 last night headed east
[19:07:54] <JT-Shop> this band was comming out of AR from the SW and moving NE
[19:11:28] <Tom_itx> did you manage to find your way around studio ok?
[19:12:59] <andypugh> No riding for me today, it snowed. Now, that isn't enough to stop me if I have somewhere to go, but it made CAD / CNC look like a good option.
[19:13:31] <Tom_itx> i worked with a guy that rode to work every day no matter what on a BMW
[19:13:36] <JT-Shop> I finally found a c tutorial for studio that made sense and even made a little c program, complied it and debugged it
[19:13:50] <Tom_itx> there was only one day i had to load the bike in the pickup to help him home
[19:13:57] <JT-Shop> those BMW guys are a little touched I think
[19:14:08] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:14:50] <JT-Shop> I met one that rode from Mexico to the southern tip of South America and back in some crazy time frame
[19:15:20] <JT-Shop> but his bike had enough fuel to run 12 hours between fill ups
[19:18:40] <andypugh> You need very special buttocks for that.
[19:18:54] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure i'd wanna ride thru Mexico now
[19:19:03] <JT-Shop> aye, and mine are not sutible for that
[19:19:09] <andypugh> And did he really have a 1200 mile range?
[19:19:09] <JT-Shop> he lives in Mexico
[19:19:14] <Tom_itx> even so
[19:19:25] <andypugh> I liked the bits of Mexico I saw.
[19:19:48] <Tom_itx> the cops are alot more corrupt now
[19:19:55] <JT-Shop> I doubt he drove 1200 miles on a tank even though he does like to ride at +100mph
[19:20:22] <JT-Shop> all he said and he is a bit hard to understand is he could drive all day on one tank
[19:20:53] <JT-Shop> I think he had at least twice the range that my Goldwing has
[19:20:57] <andypugh> One of my workmates rekons he knows Sjaak Lucassen
[19:22:07] <andypugh> http://dougarider.com/archives/4036/sjaak-9136
[19:22:45] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYpgEOA9LWU
[19:26:20] <Tom_itx> that's crazy
[19:27:35] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_lcncmap
[19:29:32] <micges> alex_joni: all registered users?
[19:30:05] <andypugh> Looks like Sjaak made it to the Yukon. He might see liquid water soon.
[19:31:18] <alex_joni> micges: not all, only ones with valid geolocation
[19:31:36] <alex_joni> about half of them
[19:33:01] <micges> ok
[19:33:16] <andypugh> OK, so there is a user in Tahiti making pens with LinuxCNC. What am I doing in Basildon?
[19:35:44] <alex_joni> someone remind me not to do this ever again.. joomla development :D
[19:35:59] <BHSPiMonkey> heh
[19:36:01] <Tom_itx> is it supposed to show dots or somthing? all i see is a map
[19:36:27] <alex_joni> Tom_itx: give it a couple seconds
[19:37:40] <JT-Shop> that's all I see too is the map
[19:38:22] <alex_joni> it's supposed to look like this: http://imagebin.org/252279
[19:38:23] <andypugh> Works for me. :-)
[19:38:27] <alex_joni> but you need to be logged in
[19:38:40] <alex_joni> try again?
[19:38:42] <andypugh> But the old Joomla map used to take several minutes to load.
[19:38:47] <Tom_itx> i dunno what my login is :)
[19:38:50] <JT-Shop> I'm logged in
[19:38:56] <alex_joni> JT-Shop: refresh
[19:39:09] <JT-Shop> ok
[19:39:11] <alex_joni> for some reason google caches the marker file
[19:39:28] <Tom_itx> i don't even see Stewart
[19:39:44] <alex_joni> and I only recently added a check to not draw the map if you're not logged in
[19:39:47] <JT-Shop> I ran into that too... I found something somewhere to force google maps to refresh
[19:40:23] <JT-Shop> otherwise it took days to refresh
[19:40:29] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Which Tom are you? Tom Tomorrow?
[19:40:40] <Tom_itx> ?
[19:40:48] <Tom_L> i'm me
[19:40:54] <andypugh> You could be tome
[19:40:57] <alex_joni> Tom_itx: andypugh is looking at the userlist
[19:41:01] <Tom_L> oh
[19:41:04] <Tom_L> i logged in
[19:41:12] <Tom_L> not sure, tlightus maybe
[19:41:19] <alex_joni> JT-Shop: still nothing?
[19:41:29] <JT-Shop> no
[19:41:41] <alex_joni> I'll msg you an URL
[19:41:41] <andypugh> Yes, that's the one, as you now know.
[19:43:42] <Tom_itx> nope, no blue flags
[19:49:08] <alex_joni> broke it somehow :)
[19:51:47] <JT-Shop> I found that was easy to do with kml
[19:54:02] <alex_joni> I don't get it.. now maps.google.com says the KML is not valid, although I haven't changed anything.. odd
[19:55:15] <JT-Shop> it did that to me and correcting it didn't fix it until I renamed the file...
[19:57:00] <andypugh> It still works for me. Even if I reload.
[19:57:56] <JT-Shop> if I zoom in they show up
[19:58:17] <alex_joni> ok.. it should work again
[19:58:37] <alex_joni> JT-Shop: that sounds like a JavaScript issue
[19:58:48] <alex_joni> that's out of my hands.. should be handled by google
[19:58:59] <JT-Shop> now it works for me and quite fast
[19:59:09] <JT-Shop> I just loaded the link into a new page
[19:59:21] <alex_joni> it should be fast ;)
[19:59:26] <alex_joni> I just spent 2 days on it
[19:59:41] <JT-Shop> Yikes!
[20:03:38] <andypugh> alex_joni: Sounds like a re-phrasing of the old Apple mantra: Hard is easy, Easy is hard. (Making things fast is slow)
[20:08:05] <alex_joni> yup
[20:08:13] <alex_joni> some more finishing touches and I'm off to bed
[20:08:28] <alex_joni> still 6 minutes till DST changes ;)
[20:10:07] <JT-Shop> thanks for fixing the map Alex
[20:15:37] <micges> where that hour go?!?!
[20:29:35] <andypugh> Darn, even less sleep.
[20:30:09] <andypugh> And after I got up early (like, before 11am) to walk to the tool shop to buy some coolant. (they were shut, too)
[20:31:39] <Tom_itx> ooo that works now
[20:31:42] <andypugh> I was almost relieved, as I wasn't sure I wanted to spend £80 and then walk back with 20l of coolant that will last me the rest of my life.
[20:34:06] <Tom_itx> well it did until i refreshed
[20:34:40] <alex_joni> Tom_itx: sounds like you might have a connection issue.. if it times out during the kml loading, it might do that
[20:34:45] <alex_joni> try refreshing it
[20:34:47] <Tom_itx> probably so
[20:35:01] <Tom_itx> we've had a few problems lately
[20:35:11] <Tom_itx> and this pc is very slow
[20:35:47] <alex_joni> that might be a reason.. there are a lot of pointers on the map ;)
[20:36:01] <Tom_itx> the pointers came up quick the first time
[20:37:13] <alex_joni> it takes about 2-3 seconds for me
[20:37:32] <Tom_L> i've got old junk for pc's
[20:37:46] <Tom_L> clicking on one seems to kill it
[20:38:36] <alex_joni> this is a fairly recent quad-core I'm on..
[20:39:15] <Tom_L> i'm not seeing Stewarts or mine
[20:39:29] <Tom_L> pretty sure he would be registered
[20:39:42] <andypugh> 6 seconds here. And I have a pretty fast connection. (60MB)
[20:40:02] <andypugh> Wichita? MPM? I see him.
[20:40:21] <Tom_L> i don't yet
[20:40:25] <Tom_L> yeah that's him
[20:40:25] <skunkworks> andypugh: did you indicate anything to see what was running out of round?
[20:40:49] <Tom_L> i'll try on the atom
[20:40:56] <skunkworks> andypugh: and did the belt fit?
[20:40:57] <andypugh> Not yet
[20:41:25] <andypugh> And I don't have a belt long enough to try really, but the short ones look good.
[20:41:45] <skunkworks> neat
[20:41:50] <andypugh> I have slight worry that I might have the gashing cutter, not the profile cutter.
[20:42:09] <atom1> andy i still don't see him
[20:42:32] <atom1> oh
[20:42:37] <atom1> it's no where near his shop
[20:42:43] <andypugh> Bel Aire?
[20:42:59] <atom1> yeah but that's not where the shop is
[20:43:25] <atom1> am i registered?
[20:43:29] <atom1> i think i am
[20:43:37] <atom1> can't find it anyway
[20:43:55] <andypugh> i thought it was graph paper, but those roads really do exist!
[20:44:07] <andypugh> That's just freaky.
[20:44:09] <atom1> haha
[20:44:15] <atom1> you don't have square roads there?
[20:44:33] <andypugh> No, our roads were laid out by cows heading to the river.
[20:44:58] <alex_joni> or the other way around
[20:45:02] <Tom_L> so why am i not showing up?
[20:45:11] <Tom_L> i'll look for jt
[20:45:23] <Valen> our roads were laid out by planners who wanted to minimise through traffic
[20:45:25] <alex_joni> Tom_L: maybe you didn't add your address
[20:45:37] <Valen> as such they resemble rabbit warrens
[20:45:50] <Tom_L> probably didn't
[20:45:55] <Tom_L> how do i fix that?
[20:46:27] <Tom_L> i found 'big john t'
[20:46:43] <alex_joni> Tom_L: you log in, go to 'My Profile' and add stuff ;)
[20:46:59] <Tom_L> will it refresh fairly quick?
[20:47:23] <alex_joni> it should instantly
[20:47:33] <alex_joni> it's actually My Profile, then Edit
[20:47:35] <andypugh> atom1: Look to the east of London, you will find me. No hint of a grid, and the whole city was built in the 1950s.
[20:47:52] <alex_joni> then you have 3 tabs - the last one is Geocode where you should have a position
[20:48:16] <andypugh> It looks like Wichita roads follow field boundaries. That is the case in the UK too. The difference is that the fields came first.
[20:48:19] <alex_joni> you can find the position on a google maps (right click where you like, and select 'what's here')
[20:48:26] <alex_joni> it'll tell you the lat/long
[20:49:04] <Tom_L> yeah i found andy
[20:49:58] <andypugh> I m not sure that "small-time developer" is still true.
[20:50:52] <alex_joni> heh
[20:51:00] <Tom_L> ok i should be there now
[20:51:06] <alex_joni> ok.. so we have consensus that things work?
[20:51:12] <alex_joni> Tom_L: where's there?
[20:51:48] <Tom_L> wichita ks
[20:51:49] <Tom_L> usa
[20:52:06] <Tom_L> although it hasn't updated here yet
[20:52:18] <andypugh> Will you be at the LinuxCNC-fest then?
[20:52:29] <Tom_L> at stewart's place?
[20:52:35] <Tom_L> i dunno
[20:52:43] <Tom_L> where's it gonna be?
[20:53:58] <andypugh> Err, at Stewart's place?
[20:54:24] <Tom_L> MPM
[20:54:31] <Tom_L> S west st
[20:54:47] <Tom_L> it was there once i believe
[20:54:55] <alex_joni> Tom_L: I see your marker in the KML
[20:55:34] <Tom_L> it's not showing here yet
[20:57:20] <Tom_L> i honestly figured there would be more in this area
[20:58:19] <alex_joni> there are a couple using the same coordinates
[20:58:23] <alex_joni> and they are piled up
[20:58:56] <alex_joni> 22 to be exact
[20:59:37] <Tom_L> i see 2 in the KC area
[20:59:44] <Tom_L> 5 in the Wichita ara
[20:59:55] <alex_joni> your marker is halfway between Coffeyville and Independence
[20:59:59] <alex_joni> SE of Wichita
[21:00:00] <Tom_L> and 1 around topeka
[21:01:14] <alex_joni> mind if I try to move you?
[21:01:49] <Tom_L> that's fine
[21:02:01] <Tom_L> i don't see it anyway
[21:02:10] <Tom_L> i see 2 in that area but neither are me
[21:03:26] <alex_joni> now you're in the middle of wichita ;)
[21:03:31] <atom1> yeah
[21:03:40] <atom1> that's actually pretty close
[21:04:13] <atom1> i'm south of the highway and w of the river though
[21:04:41] <andypugh> I now know where to look to steel ur stuffs.
[21:04:57] <Tom_L> you won't get much
[21:06:46] <Tom_L> google used to show my camper in the drive, not sure if it's been updated or not since
[21:07:42] <alex_joni> well.. as fun as this is.. I'm off to bed
[21:07:47] <alex_joni> 5am again :/
[21:07:49] <Tom_L> thanks
[21:07:52] <alex_joni> night all
[21:09:22] <Tom_L> andypugh, even your 'straight' roads are crooked :)
[21:09:30] <andypugh> Thanks Alex
[21:10:07] <andypugh> Tom_L: Aye and Essex is flat enough to have no excuse.
[21:10:25] <Tom_L> you're big on roundabouts too
[21:10:42] <andypugh> Oh yes.
[21:10:59] <Tom_L> we've recently added a few around here
[21:11:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/4ZCXY0x.jpg
[21:11:28] <andypugh> They do work.
[21:11:29] <r00t4rd3d> what kinda wood?
[21:11:51] <Tom_L> beech or bass
[21:11:56] <Tom_L> something like that
[21:12:03] <Tom_L> maple maybe
[21:12:18] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Possibly Maple, but probably something more exotic.
[21:12:30] <andypugh> It's rather lovely.
[21:12:38] <Tom_L> it's somewhat the cut too
[21:12:51] <r00t4rd3d> lacewood
[21:13:24] <andypugh> Oh, so you were just asking to expose our ignorance? Pah!
[21:13:59] <r00t4rd3d> seeing if you knew
[21:14:15] <andypugh> I did wonder if it was Plane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacewood
[21:17:19] <r00t4rd3d> "In the UK, it refers to the quartersawn wood of the related London Plane."
[21:17:28] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[21:18:47] <andypugh> Oh look, someone can't spell: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renshaw-Mp3-Probe-/271177751112
[21:19:03] <Connor> nice
[21:19:13] <andypugh> I guess I need that?
[21:19:22] <jdh> most likely
[21:19:23] <Connor> Says he has 4
[21:19:52] <r00t4rd3d> do they play songs?
[21:20:03] <andypugh> I have placed about £300 of bids in the last 2 minutes.
[21:20:17] <andypugh> (err, 20 mins).
[21:21:15] <andypugh> There is a guy with lots of hobs who seems to be giving up on shifting them at £50 so is going to 99p no reserve. So I am snippping at £20.
[21:21:43] <andypugh> archivist: Err, are you the other bidder?
[21:22:48] <archivist> I cannot afford to be bidding on anything at the moment
[21:23:20] <andypugh> That's good for me, bad for you.
[21:23:20] <r00t4rd3d> i tried to bid but they wouldnt take my food stamps as payment
[21:23:55] <jdh> you can sell them for 50%
[21:23:56] <Tom_L> try using your tax breaks
[21:25:42] <archivist> tax breaks! do you understand NO income
[21:26:28] <Tom_L> it's called free handouts
[21:26:36] <Connor> http://robotiq.com/en/products/industrial-robot-hand
[21:26:43] <Connor> I want to make a smaller version of that..
[21:27:55] <archivist> you dont live in england where they just increased the council tax
[21:29:51] <jdh> what's a council tax
[21:30:05] * Tom_L creates a user tax
[21:30:36] <jdh> how you pay for a council flat?
[21:30:48] <Tom_L> penthouse suite
[21:30:50] <archivist> jdh, a tax on your house
[21:31:08] <Connor> House or land or both ?
[21:32:07] <jdh> I pay the city a tax on my house, and the county a tax on my house
[21:32:15] <jdh> and on my cars, boat, etc
[21:32:49] <Connor> We have City, County , State Sales Tax. (Well In My state, we don't have a tax.. but 1 of only 2 states that don't) , Then State and Federal Income tax.
[21:32:54] <Tom_L> and about 15 different phone taxes
[21:32:55] <Connor> Then Property Tax..
[21:32:58] <Connor> and Use tax.
[21:33:47] <jdh> but, no TeeVee tax
[21:34:47] <Connor> Freaking Use tax stupid.. (for business) Basically have to pay a tax on equipment we own each year.. it gets depreciated.. but, still have to pay for it.. not that much $$$ but it's still stupid..
[21:35:11] <jdh> but, you didn't have to pay sales tax in it?
[21:36:09] <Connor> Not if it's for resale.. but, if it's for internal use you do.
[21:36:28] <jdh> that's lame
[21:36:40] <Connor> You buy a stapler at the Office supply place.. you pay tax.. you still have to pay a use tax each year on it.
[21:37:23] <Connor> It's stupidly LOW amount.. but a PITA in book keeping.
[21:37:59] <Connor> and if you don't do it.. they "asses" your property based on some magic number they pull out of their a$$'s.
[21:38:02] <jdh> "we don't have that any more"
[21:38:13] <Connor> which is almost 10X's the amount it should be.
[21:38:59] <jdh> but, you get to pay self-employment tax to make up for it.
[21:39:38] <Connor> We're running as a Corp.. So non of that.. but, geez... the amount we have to pay...
[21:39:45] <Connor> I swear I want to cook the books.
[21:41:43] <Tom_L> LLC or S ?
[21:41:49] <Connor> S Corp
[21:42:21] <Tom_L> i've done S corp before
[21:42:45] <Tom_L> C is much worse than S
[21:42:56] <pcw_home> should 5% appear too small,
[21:42:58] <pcw_home> be thankful I don't take it all
[21:43:27] <Connor> Yea.. It's all a PITA.
[21:56:30] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/dQQ3b.gif
[22:00:32] <seb_kuzminsky> top
[22:00:38] <seb_kuzminsky> doh
[22:26:04] <andypugh> This is a really good TV series: http://www.ovguide.com/tv/mastercrafts.htm and I say that as someone who has had a god go at half of them. They all seem good, but I especially enjoyed weaving and stonemasonry.
[22:29:11] <Tom_itx> i used to have a friend that had a stained glass shop
[22:30:39] <Tom_itx> never got into it myself but it was interesting
[22:56:27] <andypugh> I really enjoy doing stained-glass. But I don't really like the finished product.
[23:12:54] <t12> archivist: grinding the jaws on that lathe with your method worked really well
[23:40:36] <Connor> okay, so, designing a robotic arm.. Was planning on using window motors with encoders.. then I realized, that, it would have to home the arm every time I turned it back on..
[23:40:42] <Connor> any thoughts?
[23:42:50] <Connor> I guess I need absolute encoders.. but.. I've never used those before.. and not sure how expensive they are..
[23:45:36] <ProxDem> well you could dump the last know coordinates on shutdown to an NVRAM or flash/eeprom and keep going from there and have the occasional rehome
[23:45:36] <Valen> decenltly more
[23:45:51] <Valen> unless you can use something like those magnetic absolute encoders
[23:46:08] <ProxDem> or use an absolute encoder
[23:46:10] <ProxDem> rotary styl
[23:46:13] <ProxDem> damn Valen beat me to it
[23:46:32] <Connor> dumping position won't work.. arm will most likely move on power down.
[23:46:32] <andypugh> Connor: Where are the encoders?
[23:46:52] <Connor> Don't have any yet. I was thinking of the AMT102's.. but those are just incremental.
[23:47:06] <ProxDem> Connor: then an absolute encoder would be the way togo
[23:47:44] <andypugh> If they are in the joints, then something absolute would work, if it is on the motors you might need multi-turn absolute.
[23:47:53] <Valen> you could perhaps combine the two
[23:48:02] <Valen> absolute + incremental
[23:48:07] <Connor> andypugh: On joints most likely
[23:48:52] <Connor> I mean.. I guess I could use POT's.. but.. I wanted something a little more accurate than that..
[23:50:25] <andypugh> I am a real fan of resolvers
[23:51:26] <andypugh> But I don't think you would want to buy them new, they are not cheap.
[23:52:58] <andypugh> But in principle they are absolute and the accuracy is limited only by your other hardware. The Mesa 7i49 handles 6 of them to 24 bits reslution and 16 bits accuracy.
[23:53:46] <Connor> andypugh: This isn't a CNC arm.. Just a robot arm for use on a personal robot.. no MESA or linuxcnc involved.. I was just asking here because i know some of the principles still apply. :)
[23:54:01] <ProxDem> Connor: absolute rotary encoders are cheap
[23:55:26] <andypugh> Connor: I am not sure how that changes anything?
[23:55:51] <ProxDem> a good MCU program can take care of all that
[23:56:07] <ProxDem> regardless if it's AVR or PIC or Propellers or TI etc
[23:56:20] <Connor> andypugh: May not.. I was just clarifying the intended purpose.
[23:56:37] <Connor> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AMT203-V/102-2050-ND/2278846
[23:56:47] <Connor> okay. Not too bad. $48.65
[23:58:08] <s1dev> anyone know how thick of a piece of aluminum a 120W laser can cut?
[23:58:52] <andypugh> I do happen to have a set of three of these, that I bought on eBay (drink was involved) and I would like them to find a home. http://www.librascopememories.com/Librascope_Memories/Product_Literature_files/Shaft%20Encoders%20-%201967.pdf
[23:59:36] <andypugh> They are a 2-stage encoder, one at shaft speed and one geared down, 13 bits absolute.