#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-03-14

[00:02:52] <r00t4rd3d> fucking poem
[00:15:41] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: ??
[00:16:21] <r00t4rd3d> just bitching about a job im doing
[00:16:49] <Connor> sounds fun. :)
[00:16:59] <Connor> a poem about f*cking.. :)
[00:17:02] <r00t4rd3d> 300 word poem
[00:17:23] <r00t4rd3d> cut in oak
[00:17:46] <r00t4rd3d> i been putting it off but now im doing it
[00:18:13] <r00t4rd3d> bout to go do another hour run
[00:18:22] <r00t4rd3d> its 1am :D
[00:20:45] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d learn that poem!
[00:21:10] <r00t4rd3d> i cut it once already
[00:21:29] <r00t4rd3d> then fucked up the border
[00:21:48] <Connor> Ouch
[00:22:25] <r00t4rd3d> im doing a better design this time though
[00:22:28] <r00t4rd3d> in sections
[00:25:03] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d /quit bye
[01:34:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/aA7Vydc.jpg
[01:46:31] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/ts6M5zr.gif
[01:46:33] <r00t4rd3d> lmfao
[01:53:44] <MrTrick> Bah humbug. Found a local source for low backlash gearheads.
[01:55:26] <MrTrick> 120 ARCSECONDS backlash (Less than 3/100th of a degree)
[01:55:35] <MrTrick> >$2000 a pop, and 8 weeks lead time!
[02:59:05] <DJ9DJ> moin
[04:18:57] <mrsun> when factories makes gears i would guess they have a long blank and cut it all to a gear then cut that in slices? :)
[04:22:15] <toastydeath> mrsun, no not usually.
[04:22:20] <mrsun> oh =)
[04:22:33] <mrsun> felt like that would be most natural to do like 1 meter pieces then just slice it =)
[04:22:46] <toastydeath> gearmaking machinery does not deal well with long gears
[04:23:33] <toastydeath> Casting and forging are very common methods to make blanks, because the central hub needs to have some degree of accuracy and long bores are not, in general, accurate
[04:23:55] <mrsun> ahh =)
[04:24:50] <archivist> I have made sticks of gears and sliced but there are issues with burs
[04:25:50] <archivist> generally only an inch width when making thin stuff for clocks
[04:26:42] <archivist> see top left pic http://gears.archivist.info/
[04:28:47] <toastydeath> also, lots and lots of gears are forged, and when you cut a forged gear, you take away some of the strength
[04:29:13] <toastydeath> so generally, only the teeth and central bore will be cut; you wouldn't wantr to do any sort of parting
[04:30:42] <archivist> clock gears are a bit of a special case as the bore is often too small for mounting on
[04:31:58] <mrsun> toastydeath, would it realy be much even if you face edges etc .. as the grain structure still will "flow" in the right directions inside of the gear
[04:32:28] <toastydeath> the deformation is greatest at the skin
[04:32:31] <toastydeath> and thus the hardness
[04:32:42] <toastydeath> the smallest cuts are, proportionally, the most damaging
[04:33:30] <mrsun> hmm k =)
[04:33:39] <toastydeath> a gear blank struck in a press will be far more tolerant than one struck with a drop hammer, but the problem is still there
[04:33:44] <mrsun> oh well, dog seems to want a walk .. have to go :P
[04:33:49] <toastydeath> the majority of the lattice deformation is near the surface
[04:34:17] <mrsun> toastydeath, yeah i guess it is as that will take the most preasure from the forging =)
[04:35:07] <mrsun> know from when i was doing blacksmithing that a stock of say 1" or so its hard to get deformation in the center when forging it =)
[04:35:16] <mrsun> as the surface flows FAR faster =)
[04:35:22] <toastydeath> yep
[04:35:51] <Loetmichel> *grrr* can anyone send me into the right direction to get a RTL8192c wlan stick runnung under LinuxCNC (Ubuntu 10.04)?
[04:35:52] <mrsun> making it < formed in the tip (a cave) =)
[04:36:13] <Loetmichel> running
[04:36:21] <Loetmichel> mornin' btw.
[04:54:48] * Valen has seen custom gear makers that do the sticks of gears
[04:55:11] <Valen> they make a long stick, then machine it all up then case harden then grind if its important
[04:57:51] <Valen> archivist: that merlin clock is darn shiny looking
[05:04:04] <Loetmichel> hmm, noone with knowledge of the usb-wifi-stick?
[05:10:28] <Loetmichel> ... am i on ignore everywhere or just noone cares?
[05:11:42] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
[05:14:27] <dhoovie> no idea if this works
[05:14:27] <dhoovie> but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1959075
[08:01:41] <christoph> hello
[08:02:22] <Guest10424> hello
[08:06:04] <skunkworks> hello!
[08:06:19] <Guest10424> :D
[08:07:14] <Guest10424> is anyone here with experience on spindle index pulse?
[08:07:28] <skunkworks> ask your question
[08:08:06] <skunkworks> or leave...
[08:08:24] <jthornton> lol
[08:08:35] <skunkworks> Morning john
[08:08:43] <jthornton> Morning Sam
[08:08:56] <skunkworks> How goes it?
[08:09:17] <jthornton> not bad, have a couple of machines to build
[08:09:32] <jthornton> how about you?
[08:10:11] <skunkworks> not much. Spending most of my free time with a little squirt :)
[08:10:22] <jthornton> lol
[08:10:44] <skunkworks> Did get to play with a 5i25 a few weekends ago.. Pretty cool
[08:11:05] <jthornton> yea, I like them
[08:11:53] <skunkworks> how is the log splitter coming?
[08:12:40] <jthornton> working on a lifting scheme for the beam inbetween real work
[08:14:59] <jthornton> bbl
[09:26:26] <Loetmichel> *HEYHO!* CNC parts are delivered (11:00)... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14115 *mounting* -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14118 http://youtu.be/d4UiVpUhOGI ... ok, adjusting and sacrificial plate mounting and some end switches is still to do ;-)
[09:26:56] <JT-Shop> Yea!
[09:38:54] <Loetmichel> ...still have to connect the Inverter, mount some end switches and a sacrificial plate, abnd adjust the whol pile of aluminium ;-)
[09:42:05] <archivist> and break something
[09:44:03] <Loetmichel> ?
[09:45:02] <JT-Shop> LOL
[09:54:17] <jdh> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PARTPG=INLMKD&PMPXNO=36447486&PMAKA=PW800-0177
[09:54:31] <jdh> nice price, too bad shipping is also $9
[10:47:10] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqldUwlzWk
[10:50:56] <cradek> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLSZy5pwI4
[10:51:31] <cradek> there are sure a lot of those out there.
[11:17:24] <JT-Shop> is the square turret the same underneath as the octagon one?
[11:35:16] <L84Supper> http://paritynews.com/security/item/820-us-national-vulnerability-database-down-following-malware-infestation maintained by National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
[11:35:30] <L84Supper> isn't NIST the home of LinuxCNC?
[11:59:47] <skunkworks> no
[11:59:50] <skunkworks> not anymore
[13:41:31] <IchGuckLive> someone got experince with ffmpeg ?
[13:41:53] <Jymmm> Yes, mostly confusion =)
[13:42:09] <IchGuckLive> Video: h264 (Main) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p, 640x480, 2576 kb/s, 30 fps, 30 tbr, 90k tbn, 180k tbc
[13:42:14] <IchGuckLive> this it whar works
[13:42:21] <IchGuckLive> in the projektor
[13:42:47] <IchGuckLive> the main is this a preset
[13:43:02] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: querry
[13:51:30] <pfred1> does LinuxCNC run with Xenomai?
[13:54:13] <mk0> pfred1, try to look anders wallin
[13:55:43] <pfred1> yeah I just read this and I'm kind of tired of old patches for old kernels https://mail.gna.org/public/xenomai-help/2006-08/msg00115.html
[13:56:00] <pfred1> getting to be more trouble than it is worth
[13:56:39] <mk0> http://www.anderswallin.net/2012/12/linuxcnc-on-ubuntu-12-04lts/
[13:57:02] <pfred1> mk0 well I kind of want to get away from Ubuntu too
[13:57:19] <pfred1> I won't have that stuff around me!
[13:57:39] <pfred1> no shopping lens for me thank you very much
[13:58:46] <mk0> :) try on, i think kinda useful information
[13:58:49] <pfred1> why LinuxCNC chose Ubuntu as their BDI distribution I've no idea
[13:59:00] <mk0> there is an idea
[13:59:07] <pfred1> it is about the last distro I'd pick for performance
[13:59:52] <mk0> you can use another distro, the process of xenomai installation is dexcribed
[14:00:08] <Connor> pfred1: What's wrong with Ubuntu ?
[14:00:10] <pfred1> I have one Debian box that runs LinuxCNC now
[14:00:28] <Connor> I don't like the new Unity.. I'm still running 10.04.. but still..
[14:00:43] <pfred1> Connor they target the casual desktop user so that has its drawbacks
[14:00:49] <mk0> ))))))))))
[14:00:56] <mk0> uninstall unity
[14:01:07] <pfred1> yes you have to uninstall a lot of things
[14:01:13] <pfred1> too many things
[14:01:22] <mk0> okay)
[14:01:35] <Jymmm> Ubuntu == Dependancy Hell
[14:01:57] <pfred1> yes once you pile a mound up in a distro it is hard to shovel what you don't want off
[14:02:13] <Jymmm> I uninstalled mplayer once and it took out all of X too!
[14:02:13] <pfred1> easier ot start with less and add just what you want
[14:02:34] <pfred1> hmmm mplayer is a nice program
[14:02:58] <Jymmm> not if you dont have a sound card
[14:02:59] <mk0> you can use any distro. then install xenoamai or rtai what's the problem?
[14:03:13] <pfred1> I took apache out once and that took out networkmanager
[14:03:31] <pfred1> mk0 the latest kernel rtai supports is 2.6.38
[14:03:31] <mk0> man apt
[14:04:36] <mk0> why would you uninstall something at all? just install gnome2 or часу and use it.
[14:04:39] <pfred1> I normally don't need networkmanager but that was on a laptop and I never could get wifi to work without it
[14:05:00] <mk0> or xfce
[14:05:02] <pfred1> mk0 because my computer systems do not have unlimited resources to run things I do not want
[14:05:30] <mk0> it's just some Gb
[14:05:44] <mk0> you can use minimal CD
[14:06:05] <mk0> anyway i do not see aproblem
[14:06:56] <Jymmm> pfred1: I understand your frustrations with certain things, but CHILL OUT! It is what it is or isn't in that case. Just move on to what you want instead of ranting about things you have no control of.
[14:07:16] <pfred1> Jymmm I have considerable control of my Linux choices
[14:07:41] <pfred1> my way or the highway baby
[14:07:48] <Jymmm> pfred1: Ok, in other words.... quit bitching and move on
[14:07:54] <Jymmm> NEXT!
[14:08:52] <pfred1> while i have no control over your preception of reality I feel the need to inform you that I am merely commenting on my personal view it is not bitching if I was bitching you'd fucking know about it!
[14:09:58] <Jymmm> You're right, it's just whining and complaining. MOVE ON ALREADY or take it to #wedontcare
[14:10:34] <cradek> somehow, arguingontheinternetislike.blogspot.com is not yet registered
[14:10:35] <pfred1> Jymmm I'm happy to see that now you speak for the rest of the world congratulations on your promotion
[14:11:11] <pfred1> Jymmm sad to inform you that I don't care if you care or not though
[14:11:27] <pfred1> that has zero bearing on me
[14:15:01] <pfred1> someone should ask Mark Shuttlesworth how much he cares about LinuxCNC because I think he opinion would have some weight in the matter
[14:16:07] <pfred1> the rest of you aren't even zits on his ass!
[14:21:23] <andypugh> pfred1: There is RTAI for 3.5.7
[14:21:56] <pfred1> andypugh I was on their site I did not see that
[14:22:12] <pfred1> thanks I'll have to go look for it
[14:23:52] <andypugh> I don't know where it is... But Seb build experimental debs: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.devel/9299
[14:24:52] <pfred1> debs are less useful to me on Gentoo
[14:34:41] <IchGuckLive> pfred1: why changing from ubuntu there are somany CAD CAMS on it
[14:34:43] <pfred1> hmmm I'm looking in the RTAI source tree and under /usr/src/rtai/base/arch/x86/patches the highest i am seeing is hal-linux-
[14:34:51] <IchGuckLive> it is a perfect workaround
[14:35:26] <cradek> pfred1: if you're interested enough to build rtai, you should be watching the rtai mailing list
[14:35:29] <andypugh> pfred1: I think you need to get the source from their CVS.
[14:35:40] <pfred1> IchGuckLive generally what one Linux distribution can run all of them can that falls short when some library version requirements are not met though
[14:35:47] <pfred1> andypugh ah this is the tarball
[14:35:59] <pfred1> 3.9
[14:36:43] <pfred1> andypugh I almost had it the other night but the kernel is so old it didn't have the right video driver so X Window wouldn't run by the time I fixed that I broke my RT environment somehow
[14:37:10] <pfred1> andypugh but I botched that install up so much fixing stuff I didn't know about i need to totally redo it anyways
[14:37:41] <pfred1> andypugh now for some strange reason that OS thinks the PC only has 839MB of RAM installed
[14:37:55] <pfred1> so there is something seriously broken with it all
[14:37:56] <andypugh> That's enough for anyone :-)
[14:38:03] <pfred1> yeah well it has 3GB
[14:38:10] <pfred1> and i memtested it and it is OK
[14:38:31] <pfred1> that suggests to me there are deeply seated problems that need to be addressed
[14:38:40] <pfred1> wipe out!
[14:38:57] <pfred1> I did some really stupid stuff to get X Window t orun
[14:39:04] <pfred1> I did get it running
[14:39:15] <pfred1> but I broke everything else in the process
[14:39:49] <pfred1> Geotoo has some amazing tools for completely trashing your system
[14:40:15] * pfred1 likes that!
[15:43:57] <bpuk> Good evening all
[15:45:10] <bpuk> After years of dismal failures, I have aquired my first ebay bargain :D A lovely little Kollmorgen 1.6 kW servomotor. I'm planning to replace the ageing ACIM on the lathe spindle with it, and am wondering if it's as straightforward as it appears
[16:19:28] <JT-Shop> came with a drive?
[16:19:39] <bpuk> no drive, I'm assuming an 8i20
[16:20:35] <PCW> what kind of encoder?
[16:21:14] <bpuk> resolver - looks to be 1V P/P - planning to use andy's resolver interface (or a derivative)
[17:32:01] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[20:21:32] <Jymmm> What kind of wood is this? http://images.craigslist.org/3Ge3La3Hc5Lf5G75Mbd3eb8bfb6a7603f13ab.jpg
[20:21:47] <Valen> tree!
[20:21:59] <Jymmm> Valen: as opposed to ?
[20:22:41] <Valen> http://keekles.org/~bryan/Genmay/got_wood.jpg
[20:23:03] <Tom_itx> not yucca
[20:23:47] <Jymmm> Something that would grow in Calif
[20:24:08] <Jymmm> Valen: lol
[20:24:08] <Tom_itx> well you should know then
[20:24:15] <Jymmm> fiik
[20:24:16] <Tom_itx> not sequoia
[20:24:33] <jdh> Petrified
[20:24:34] <Tom_itx> cottonwood?
[20:26:45] <mozmck> the bark looks kinda like cottonwood
[20:27:17] <mozmck> terrible firewood if that's what it is.
[20:27:35] <Tom_itx> not if you like a hot fast fire
[20:29:40] <mozmck> I like a hot, long-lasting fire.
[20:29:51] <Tom_itx> oak
[20:30:00] <Tom_itx> hedge if you dont mind the popping
[20:30:01] <mozmck> don't have to stoke the stove or haul ashes as often
[20:30:34] <Jymmm> OM MY GAWD !!!
[20:30:35] <Jymmm> OM MY GAWD !!!
[20:30:36] <Jymmm> OM MY GAWD !!!
[20:30:37] <Jymmm> OM MY GAWD !!!
[20:30:37] <mozmck> hedge (bois d'ark) is my preference. considerably more btu's than the best oak.
[20:30:38] <Jymmm> OM MY GAWD !!!
[20:30:43] <Jymmm> THIS IS AWESOME http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1564670-nascars-jeff-gordon-takes-car-salesman-for-terrifying-ride-for-pepsi-max-prank
[20:31:35] <mozmck> the popping is not much problem in a good woodstove, but can be spectacular when you open the door and stir the coals!
[20:43:49] <andypugh> Jymmm: Probably means more if you know who Jeff Gordon is ;-)
[20:44:08] <jdh> he owns the chevy dealership down the road
[20:44:54] <Tom_itx> seriously andypugh?
[20:45:38] <andypugh> I think I have heard the name, and I assume he is a driver
[20:45:45] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:46:06] <jdh> wtf would anyone outside of southern US and other .us rednecks have ever heard of him?
[20:46:35] <Tom_itx> apparently you have
[20:46:55] <Tom_itx> he lives in NYC though
[20:46:56] <jdh> I drive by Jeff Gordon Chevrolet twice a day
[20:47:53] <Tom_itx> across the street from Earnhart Chevy?
[20:47:53] <jdh> and I live in the south, and I'm a redneck.
[20:48:13] <jdh> why would two chevy dealers be across the street from each other?
[20:48:58] <Tom_itx> dale jarett ford then
[20:49:07] <jdh> never heard of him.
[20:49:17] <Tom_itx> ned's kid
[20:49:23] <jdh> nor him
[20:50:58] <t12> loll
[20:50:59] <t12> thats pretty good
[20:59:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://maps.google.com/help/maps/streetview/contribute/#all
[21:59:54] <r00t4rd3d> who wants to buy me a 4x8 onsurd?
[22:00:02] <r00t4rd3d> they only like 70k
[22:46:52] <markvandenborre> is something like http://www.stepmores.com/product-5028c2b36d54619d1d000000.shtml usable with linuxcnc?
[22:47:19] <markvandenborre> or can it be made usable with not too much effort?
[22:48:32] <markvandenborre> I'm a free software user exclusively since the late '90s, and I want to keep it like that
[22:51:16] <jdh> that link doesn't show a product for me.
[22:51:27] <Valen> worked for me
[22:51:38] <jdh> I block most things with scripts by default
[22:51:38] <Valen> generic toy gangty mill
[22:51:51] <Valen> gantry
[22:53:13] <jdh> some people only need/desire toys.
[22:53:24] <markvandenborre> my need is fairly well defined:
[22:53:57] <markvandenborre> I want to cut baltic birch plywood, 18mm, max dimension of part 65cm x 45cm
[22:54:26] <jdh> then that sounds fine if it will fit your dimensions
[22:54:37] <Valen> thats pretty thick
[22:54:44] <Valen> you might need multiple passes
[22:54:59] <markvandenborre> I'd want to avoid that if at all possible
[22:55:09] <markvandenborre> should that be possible with the right router bits?
[22:55:20] <markvandenborre> and speed settings, and...?
[22:55:25] <jdh> and a hefty spindle perhaps.
[22:55:36] <Valen> thing is you need to push hard enough to cut the timber otherwise you will rub and burn it instead
[22:55:49] <markvandenborre> but really, I'm mostly looking at linuxcnc compatibility first
[22:55:58] <markvandenborre> this kind of thing is the only within budget
[22:56:04] <Valen> it doesn't look like it needs emc
[22:56:15] <Valen> says it has its own gcode interpereter in it
[22:56:23] <jdh> it says it has mach3
[22:56:40] <Valen> Suitable for Materials Engrave and cut on Acrylic sheet, ABS double color sheet, PVC foam sheet, wooden sheet, scagliola, PCB Aluminum sheet etc. Features: X Y use 2510 ballscrew and SBR25 rails, it makes machine working very stable. Aluminium casting whole body wont transform for long use.
[22:56:48] <jdh> so linuxcnc should work fine
[22:56:58] <markvandenborre> that would be really really cool
[22:57:04] <Valen> right you are jdh
[22:57:20] <jdh> I'm sure it even has a legit mach3 license!
[22:57:21] <Valen> that is very expensive for that type of machine i think?
[22:57:47] <jdh> I see no units for price
[22:58:12] <Valen> i spose it does have actual linear rails
[22:58:20] <Valen> good point jdh i just presumed USD
[22:58:29] <Valen> and ballscrews
[22:58:42] <Valen> actually i change my initial assesment, its a step up from a toy
[22:59:03] <Valen> 1.5Kw spindle on it
[22:59:04] <markvandenborre> heh :)
[22:59:06] <jdh> linear rails, cheap chinese ball screws, leadshine drives
[22:59:19] <jdh> that's 1.5 chinese Kw
[22:59:43] <Valen> yeah, but its not whoflungdung nema17 steppers, with round bar in a block of plastic for the rail and allthread for the screw
[22:59:45] <markvandenborre> so I should think low budget, but not entirely a toy, and possibly enough to do 18mm birch ply in one pass?
[23:00:02] <jdh> 1 pass might be much
[23:00:02] <markvandenborre> and linuxcnc is a certainty?
[23:00:03] <Valen> i dunno, 18mm is a pretty decent cut
[23:00:26] <markvandenborre> any other linuxcnc compatible machines that would do what I want?
[23:00:37] <jdh> pretty much anything is linuxcnc compatible
[23:00:46] <Valen> there isn't enough information there to say if it will work with emc for sure, i don't know if it comes with its own computer or if you supply your own
[23:00:53] <jdh> unless it has some super funky proprietary IO which would cost more than generic stuff
[23:00:55] <Valen> if it takes step/dir inputs then it'll work win emc
[23:01:09] <Valen> win=with
[23:01:38] <markvandenborre> the question being of course how many years I'd need to spend to get the thing configured...
[23:01:52] <markvandenborre> I'm not scared of software configuration
[23:02:05] <markvandenborre> but in this case, it has real hardware consequences...
[23:03:08] <jdh> ebay 600x900 seem to be more than that (if it is USD)
[23:03:56] <Valen> I'd make my own tbh
[23:04:02] <Valen> well, we are i guess
[23:04:07] <jdh> easier to make your own if you have one
[23:04:16] <Valen> though we are spending $2500 on the motors and drives
[23:04:21] <Valen> and its 1200x1200x600
[23:05:15] <markvandenborre> I'm a classical guitar teacher with a secret second life in free software
[23:05:24] <jdh> cool
[23:05:46] <markvandenborre> building a cnc would be one step too far in an entirely diffferent direction again I'm afraid
[23:05:56] <markvandenborre> well, not afraid, just too many things
[23:06:08] <jdh> DIY luthiery
[23:06:21] <markvandenborre> I see myself as a user of this kind of machine
[23:06:44] <markvandenborre> except for preparatory work on electric guitars
[23:07:03] <markvandenborre> there is relatively little use for this I guess
[23:07:04] <jdh> what's the requirement for single pass
[23:07:25] <jdh> http://www.cnclutherie.com/
[23:07:40] <markvandenborre> tbh, I don't plan to use it for lutherie
[23:07:53] <jdh> me either!
[23:08:18] <jdh> people can make a living teaching guitar?
[23:08:43] <markvandenborre> jdh: where I live, there's a generous public education system
[23:09:06] <markvandenborre> a separate system of public music schools even
[23:09:43] <markvandenborre> with university trained classical musicians teaching to everyone who would like to seriously learn
[23:10:22] <markvandenborre> state employees, so yes, I can survive without begging :)
[23:10:26] <jdh> heh
[23:10:50] <jdh> I had a few teachers... mainly alcoholic musicians trying to get by.
[23:11:50] <markvandenborre> if that was my option, I might have been tempted to keep working on the free software consulting that I very much like to do too
[23:12:40] <jdh> well, I do software all day... and am amazingly inept at guitar playing.
[23:13:07] <markvandenborre> :-)
[23:14:35] <markvandenborre> thanks a lot for your hints
[23:14:53] <markvandenborre> if you have any other suggestions of machines, please don't hesitate to tell me
[23:15:12] <markvandenborre> off to sleep in 5 minutes, it's awfully late here in .eu
[23:16:55] <r00t4rd3d> cnc router parts kit
[23:17:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/cnc-router-kits-c-29.html?osCsid=rtske8lr7629mglmbtp8k4ba15
[23:17:59] <r00t4rd3d> the 2x4 kit
[23:21:39] <markvandenborre> r00t4rd3d: thx for the hint
[23:22:04] <markvandenborre> though /me being in the .eu might make that less interesting
[23:22:29] <r00t4rd3d> they ship all over
[23:22:47] <r00t4rd3d> ive seen guys in Dubai with their parts
[23:23:10] <r00t4rd3d> a few in Pakistan
[23:23:39] <markvandenborre> :-)