#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-02-25

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[00:21:07] <L84Supper> rockchip tends to violate the GPL with its linux support
[00:24:51] <Jymmm> L84Supper: how so?
[00:26:27] <L84Supper> binary only drivers, NDA's for vendors that make them not share source
[00:30:19] <L84Supper> http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2010-August/002195.html lots more than this, but here's some background
[00:41:39] <Jymmm> ah
[02:06:23] <mrsun_> http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Reviews/U1/U1.htm neat little machine =)
[02:13:48] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:16:28] <Jymmm> mrsun_: 1/2" clearance w/ chuck... ouch
[02:16:35] <mrsun_> :P
[02:17:21] <Jymmm> I sometimes get frustrated because I only have a 12" drill press, ick
[02:17:59] <Jymmm> If you need to drill a hole in something that's 16" x 16" it sucks.
[02:18:33] <Jymmm> ^in the center
[02:19:29] * mrsun_ tried milling another kind of steel yesterday with his x1 ...
[02:19:37] <mrsun_> well it didnt work out so well :(
[02:19:56] <mrsun_> all i need is a 15mm deep, 30mm wide pocket in the piece :/
[02:20:21] <mrsun_> other steel ive milled in it has worked realy well .. but this .. not at all :/
[02:22:10] <mrsun_> vibrations from hell
[02:53:38] <Jymmm> LOL, I recorded 16s of video from a DV camera and it's 58MB =)
[03:37:13] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[03:48:34] <Jymmm> hi
[03:57:48] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: how goes?
[04:48:09] <Loetmichel> as my grand ma said: bad guys: always fine ;-)
[04:48:33] <Jymmm> heh
[04:49:11] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I recorded 16s of video from my DV camera and it's 58MB =)
[05:32:40] <Loetmichel> hrhr, let me guess: mjpeg?
[05:41:10] <alex_joni> hey Jymmm
[08:07:08] <r00t4rd3d> Hmmm, bout to cut a 294 word poem in 2' oak.
[08:08:34] <r00t4rd3d> Est. Time: 04:22:19
[08:08:38] <r00t4rd3d> :Z
[08:10:06] <r00t4rd3d> 32F
[08:10:06] <r00t4rd3d> Cloudy
[08:22:45] <R2E4> What is the number of the mesa motor control board?
[08:22:46] <skunkworks> logger[psha],
[08:22:46] <logger[psha]> skunkworks: Log stored at http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23linuxcnc/2013-02-25.html
[08:23:33] <skunkworks> R2E4, what do you mean? servo interface board? and which fpga card are you thinking?
[08:24:18] <R2E4> I am looking at a video of a guy on cnczone(Prefect) and he was talking about his board controlling his spindle.
[08:24:54] <R2E4> Is there a board that connects or mounts to the mesa board that you wire into a vfd for example?
[08:25:58] <R2E4> I am going over the boards that i will need for my conversion. I need to order this week. My machine is coming in this weekend.
[08:34:01] <cncbasher> R2E4: if your vfd uses a pot you can directly connect that to s 7i77
[08:34:48] <R2E4> I can connect a pot and have seperate 0-10v terminals to control speed.
[08:34:51] <R2E4> cool.
[08:35:32] <cncbasher> just connect the 7i77 directly instead of the pot
[08:35:59] <cncbasher> it realy is eassy
[08:37:05] <R2E4> I get it... thanks. I still have not got the mesa boards nailed down as to what I need for my R2E4 yet.I figured a 5i20 and a 7iXX daughter board would be it.
[08:37:23] <cncbasher> what machine is it ?
[08:37:39] <cncbasher> iv'e forgotten,,,
[08:37:49] <R2E4> Bridgeport series 1 R2E4 Boss 9, with servo's.
[08:38:15] <cncbasher> i'd go for a 5i25 and 7i77
[08:38:33] <skunkworks> How much i/o do you need the 7i77 gives you 48 iirc
[08:38:42] <cncbasher> and if you need more gpio add on the pendant board
[08:38:49] <R2E4> haha, certainly not more than that.
[08:38:52] <cncbasher> that plugs into the 7i77
[08:39:32] <cncbasher> have you seen JT'S files for his bridgeport
[08:39:55] <skunkworks> R2E4, and you could expand it as needed (the 5i25)
[08:43:41] <R2E4> I think I have seen his. He is using 5i20 I think.
[08:44:31] <cncbasher> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/7i77.html
[08:45:15] <cncbasher> 5i25 he is using with 7i77
[08:45:19] <cncbasher> just what you need
[08:45:36] <R2E4> oh, cool.
[08:45:52] <cncbasher> their no difference to what you need
[08:46:10] <R2E4> I may have to get new servo amps.
[08:46:18] <R2E4> Not sure though.
[08:46:25] <cncbasher> are they in working order
[08:46:58] <R2E4> THey said they were when they stored it. They took it off production floor before installing VMC
[08:47:13] <cncbasher> then dont change them
[08:47:30] <cncbasher> it makes the conversion so much easier
[08:47:38] <R2E4> That sounds good to me....hehe
[08:48:16] <cncbasher> all the one's i have done , i have always been able to keep the servo amps
[08:48:37] <cncbasher> with the mesa cards it's a no brainer to change over
[08:48:38] <R2E4> I have my vfd, just have to rewire spindle to 220, its on 480 now, figure out the power split then disconnect existing controller and add the mesa and linuxcnc.
[08:48:45] <R2E4> WHAT A COUNTRY!!!!
[08:49:03] <cncbasher> the only major problem is getting your head around the pinouts
[08:49:37] <R2E4> I can study that, I have been working with comnputers talking to panels for 2o years so I am good at that....
[08:49:46] <cncbasher> but follow jt's and it should be a bit easier
[08:50:29] <R2E4> ok, I have linuxcnc up and running, did 48 hou=r latency test....... I am just ready. How long does it take to get mesa cards?
[08:50:53] <cncbasher> or find a 240 - 3 phase rotary convetor
[08:51:40] <cncbasher> i/m in the uk and usualy have the cards in a week
[08:52:49] <R2E4> Do you purchase from mesanet?\
[08:53:03] <DJ9DJ> welcome to the black mesa transit system! ;)
[08:53:09] <cncbasher> ask JT is he has a wiring diagram for his conversion ,
[08:53:21] <cncbasher> yea i get all mine from mesa
[08:54:07] <cncbasher> dont you mean the black art of configuraton genius
[08:55:16] <cncbasher> R2E4:have you access to the bridgeport manuals ?
[08:55:49] <cncbasher> all the wiring diagrams are their and easy to follow
[08:56:09] <cncbasher> if not they are on the internet , and i have a few here
[08:56:18] <R2E4> yeah, I have all the original manuals.
[08:56:30] <cncbasher> so one way or another , we can get you going
[08:56:31] <R2E4> I have the large blueprints also.
[08:56:38] <cncbasher> arh good
[08:57:19] <cncbasher> should only take you a few days if that to wire it up
[08:57:20] <R2E4> I should start working on misc stuff I will need re: 5vdc power supply?
[08:58:35] <cncbasher> yea fit a seperate 5v power supply
[08:58:52] <cncbasher> the 24v you have already in the cabinet
[08:58:56] <R2E4> Got to run... be back in a bit.
[08:59:03] <R2E4> Thanks,
[08:59:15] <cncbasher> ok
[08:59:24] <R2E4_awy> work calls......
[08:59:30] <R2E4_awy> it is allways getting in the way.
[08:59:33] <Err> I have a really preliminary question about LinuxCNC integration... Has any regular in here ever fitted a large CNC punch press with LinuxCNC?
[09:00:35] <cncbasher> no not fitted one , but i cant see any reason why it cant be done
[09:01:22] <Err> full disclosure - I'm a computer nerd and not a machine tool operator, but I know a bit about the process... I'm trying to help out a friend who has a few Amadas running old Fanuc controllers, and he's concerned (rightly) about their longevity
[09:01:28] <cncbasher> and i'm sure it has by someone over the years
[09:02:38] <Err> I'm just mildly concerned that punch press operation is slightly different, fundamentally, than mills/lathes/etc that I see normally
[09:03:01] <Err> it seems more like laser cutting, except for the "no moving X-Y while Z goes" rule
[09:03:20] <cncbasher> they all use the same interfaces .. and linuxcnc has a plc as well so all can be catered for
[09:03:34] <Err> I suppose I should dig into it more
[09:04:05] <Err> I see that these Mesa boards seem to have VHDL source available; does the LinuxCNC project actually write VHDL to host on the boards, or do they use the factory stock code?
[09:04:27] <cncbasher> would probably just need a kinematics file making perhaps , either way no big deal
[09:05:01] <cncbasher> the vhdl code is uploaded on startup , on most cards
[09:05:11] <cncbasher> except the 5i25
[09:05:27] <cncbasher> which is uploaded into it's eeprom
[09:05:34] <Err> but is it something that the linuxcnc project actually develops?
[09:05:49] <cncbasher> all code is supplied and open
[09:05:57] <cncbasher> yea
[09:06:02] <Err> cool
[09:06:20] <Err> now we're moving closer into the region of things that I actually know about :-)
[09:06:30] <cncbasher> as well as mesa supporting linuxcnc helps
[09:07:18] <cncbasher> must fly have a visitor , will be back later
[09:07:38] <cncbasher> should be prob 20 min - 30
[09:10:24] <R2E4_awy> whats the diff between low profile and standard profile? Physical card sizes?
[09:12:19] <Err> yes, low-profile cards are designed to fit in low-profile slots (slimline case PCs and such)
[09:14:59] <pcw_home> on the 5I25 the only difference is the supplied bracket (card is always low profile)
[09:39:18] <JesusAlos> hi
[09:40:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/jzXlG2T.jpg
[09:46:46] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: where from?
[10:04:04] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/248071
[10:04:22] <JesusAlos> I need integrate dxf2gcode with linuxcnc
[10:05:06] <JesusAlos> I follow all steps in http://code.google.com/p/dxf2gcode/wiki/Installation
[10:05:26] <JesusAlos> but when open dxf file, appears this error
[10:08:13] <cradek> before I log in to the forum, I see the newest message of a thread at the bottom. after I log in, it's at the top. (and stupidly, for multipage threads, this makes it stick me on the oldest page when I log in.) I don't see anywhere to set my preference. Help?
[10:09:36] <r00t4rd3d> Jymmm, no clue. Reddit..
[10:11:00] <Jymmm> cradek: it has to be a user pref, check again
[10:11:17] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: thanks, still looking where to order one from =)
[10:11:35] <cradek> sure but I can't find user prefs
[10:11:50] <pcw_home> I've noticed that also (login , post something, now the recent post tab take you to somewhere in the past)
[10:12:23] <pcw_home> (i just log out and in again and its fixed)
[10:13:14] <cradek> grr, web forums are so obnoxious
[10:15:34] <Jymmm> cradek: I dont even see where to sign up for the forum =)
[10:15:55] <cradek> well I managed that somehow in the past
[10:17:46] <Jymmm> Ah, found it, off to the left in the sidebar
[10:17:49] <Jymmm> weird
[10:18:43] <Jymmm> WTH?! Only thing missing from the sign up form is DNA sample
[10:19:39] <cradek> Jymmm: bogus spammer signups are a huge pain in the ass for our volunteers...
[10:20:38] <Jymmm> That's only becasue the curent/former forum was hacked/exploited/exposed.
[10:21:17] <cradek> all web forums are constantly hacked/exploited/exposed
[10:21:52] <cradek> they take constant maintenance
[10:23:01] <Jymmm> Requesting DNA is not gonna change that. It's all bots for the most part, the balance are those places in India where you can get 1000 sign ups for $50
[10:23:24] <cradek> eh
[10:24:36] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Out of stock =(
[10:33:40] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: NSFW Ouch... http://thegirlbehindthecamera.tumblr.com/image/43902278126
[10:50:49] <tjtr33> L84Supper atennen robots has a batch of ~30 puma 560 size on ebay.
[10:50:50] <tjtr33> they're Ohio robot graveyard, maybe you can get 1 out of the batch.
[10:59:28] <cradek> maybe I should just work on an email->forum gateway
[11:00:47] <skunkworks> cradek, heh
[11:01:04] <skunkworks> is that out there already - you would think so...
[11:03:07] <Jymmm> cradek: Why?
[11:04:10] <R2E4_awy> Jymmm: That link is hilarious.
[11:04:26] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[11:04:37] <Jymmm> R2E4_awy: more like freaky
[11:04:39] <R2E4_awy> A man hits his wife with a car, whose fault is it?
[11:04:57] <R2E4_awy> The mans, he shouldn't be driving in the kitchen....
[11:05:17] <R2E4_awy> Not the photo, the site the photo is on.......
[11:05:47] <Jymmm> R2E4_awy: I meant the girl
[11:06:03] <R2E4_awy> yeah, I would run from that.
[11:06:10] <cradek> https://kunena.uservoice.com/forums/11439-kunena/suggestions/113837-mail-to-forum-ability
[11:06:23] <Err> heh, that Antenen place is really close to me - good to know about
[11:07:24] <Jymmm> R2E4_awy: Yeah, you can trust anyone actually CRAVING a veggie dog
[11:07:48] <tjtr33> I think they're dumping their small robot inventory, the parts drawers go with it
[11:10:36] <R2E4_awy> She is twisted on that site. One bizarre Biatch!!
[11:10:58] <Jymmm> Ya think?
[11:11:17] <R2E4_awy> wow!
[11:11:41] <Jymmm> And those are compltely healed, so she had to of had them done over two years ago or so
[11:11:52] <Jymmm> at 17
[11:12:21] <R2E4> OK, I have to get away from that site......
[11:12:37] <R2E4> I can't stop looking
[11:12:53] <R2E4> Back to mesa....
[11:13:33] <R2E4> 89.00 for the 5i25 and 159.00 for the 7i77....... Where's the catch?
[11:13:57] <skunkworks> cradek, I don't think I have ever used a forum with that functionallity.
[11:14:02] <R2E4> What 1500.00 piece/board am I missing?
[11:14:24] <skunkworks> R2E4, buy the kit - comes with the cable
[11:14:55] <cncbasher> R2E4:what catch ?
[11:15:15] <skunkworks> R2E4 just thinks it is too good to be true
[11:15:19] <cncbasher> haha
[11:15:47] <cncbasher> well we are all using them , so we must all have been bitten
[11:16:02] <R2E4> Well being that I had a quote of to do this and it was 5500.00, then a cheaper Mach3 version that was 2800.00.
[11:16:27] <JT-Shop> cradek: alex_joni fixed the spammer signups with all the checks
[11:16:38] <skunkworks> well - being able to re-use your servo amps is a plus
[11:16:43] <cncbasher> R2E4:yes good call by skunkworks , get the iee1264 cable too
[11:17:08] <skunkworks> (and I think you get a slight discount
[11:17:10] <JT-Shop> get the combo
[11:17:10] <skunkworks> )
[11:17:13] <cncbasher> so work out what length of interface cable to the pc u need
[11:19:48] <R2E4> IS it the AIO cable?
[11:20:07] <R2E4> Is it problematic for a longer cable?
[11:20:28] <R2E4> it's a ribbon cable, 5v...... gotcha....
[11:20:29] <skunkworks> it comes with 6ft
[11:21:06] <R2E4> The kit comes with 6ft cable?
[11:21:17] <skunkworks> yes
[11:21:52] <cncbasher> it is a iee 1284 compliant cable
[11:21:55] <skunkworks> 7I77-5I25 PNG
[11:21:56] <skunkworks> Plug-N-Go Kit 5I25+7I77+IEEE1284 cable 6 ft.
[11:22:08] <cncbasher> arh u got it !
[11:22:10] <cncbasher> haha
[11:23:28] <R2E4> I'm dancing.......I got 1700.00 to play with.
[11:23:56] <cncbasher> cncbasher has a pension plan that needs funding
[11:24:09] <L84Supper> tjtr33: lots of SCARA's on ebay, not sure why people bother with rickety repraps with used SCARA's for <$500
[11:24:38] <skunkworks> L84Supper, then they cannot use the arduino motion contol.. ;)
[11:24:39] <R2E4> I will have to wait, I may need to replace the servo amps if needed though.
[11:24:59] <skunkworks> what are the amps?
[11:25:13] <skunkworks> yoyu could replace them 'as' needed....
[11:25:17] <cncbasher> if the servo amps work then dont change them
[11:25:20] <L84Supper> skunkworks: yeah, hehe, what would they be without broken software?
[11:25:25] <tjtr33> L84Supper, scara motion seems so limited, thats why i always looked for PUMAs ( the acronym not any branding )
[11:26:01] <L84Supper> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Staubli-RX90-6-Axis-Robot-Arm-CS7-Controller-With-Motor-Drives-CablesRX-90-/350721927338?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a8a7e8aa
[11:26:08] <R2E4> cncbasher: yeah, I won't if they work. They said it was working =when they took it off the floor..... We will see.
[11:26:19] <Err> R2E4: I share your incredulity with the pricing of the hardware :)
[11:26:24] <L84Supper> RX90's are >$30K new
[11:26:37] <cncbasher> R2E4:if not their usualy easy fixes
[11:26:43] <Err> the entire interface hardware costs less than the bubble memory card for our existing Fanuc controller :-)
[11:26:44] <tjtr33> yeh the staubli is a real puma form, 7K is cheap bu too much for me
[11:26:46] <skunkworks> I would think the puma isn't accurite enough...
[11:26:58] <R2E4> can you put a spindle on the end of that arm?
[11:27:26] <tjtr33> is the an application/constraint for the robot ?
[11:27:42] <L84Supper> max load on the RX90's is ~11kg for 0.2mm repeatability
[11:28:22] <L84Supper> sorry 0.02mm
[11:29:33] <L84Supper> jetting assemblies / printheads are a few Kg at most
[11:33:09] <skunkworks> Oh - that arm is pretty
[11:34:19] <tjtr33> triple the payload by smart motion , and increase precision thru the kins and mapping the errors. lotsa uni's publish lotsa studies on both.
[11:34:35] <tjtr33> specifically for puma style
[11:35:04] <L84Supper> yeah, I have had long chats with the Staubli engineers
[11:36:58] <L84Supper> can I build something that's a better fit with tighter specs? Sure, but I can usually have one of these delivered in a few days
[11:37:33] <Jymmm> L84Supper: a hooker?
[11:38:07] <Jymmm> rent-a-kid?
[11:38:45] <L84Supper> Jymmm: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Staubli-RX90-6-Axis-Robot-Arm-CS7-Controller-With-Motor-Drives-CablesRX-90-/350721927338?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a8a7e8aa
[11:40:58] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Well, I guess that's cheaper than a hooker if you're thinking a long term investment.
[11:42:13] <R2E4_LUNCH> yes but a hooker's tolerances is much larger. Alot more slop in them.
[11:43:37] <L84Supper> Jymmm: we use them for multi-axis inkjets and additive manufacturing
[11:44:03] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Is that what the kids are calling it these days
[11:44:41] <skunkworks> L84Supper, what kind of speed do you get out of them?
[11:44:43] <L84Supper> not the old 80's tech
[11:45:09] <Jymmm> R2E4: (I have a comeback for that, but ttying to keep this at least an 'R' rating)
[11:45:41] <R2E4> haha
[11:45:58] <JesusAlos> no body have Dxf2gcode integrate with linuxcnc?
[11:46:13] <L84Supper> skunkworks: depends on how you want to measure speed, SLA can be in several mm a minute
[11:46:31] <L84Supper> several liters per hour
[11:46:52] <R2E4> JesusAlos: you mean a cam program?
[11:47:05] <L84Supper> getting within 1/10 the cycle times of injection molding
[11:47:26] <JesusAlos> yes
[11:47:35] <JesusAlos> the famous DXF2Gcode
[11:48:10] <R2E4> good segway.....
[11:48:20] <R2E4> What post processor would I use with linuxcnc?
[11:48:22] <L84Supper> skunkworks: but linear speeds for inkjet are up to several meters per second at >600dpi now
[11:49:11] <L84Supper> some new heads are >10 meters per second at 1200 dpi
[11:49:18] <cncbasher> R2E4:depends on what you draw with . commercial or free etc
[11:49:31] <R2E4> LinuxCNC post processors for Vectric cut2D and cut3D by cncbasher
[11:49:46] <R2E4> I use Aspire
[11:49:53] <cncbasher> vectric comes with emc
[11:50:05] <R2E4> I'll look
[11:50:16] <cncbasher> or at least it's easily changed
[11:50:28] <cncbasher> long time since i used vectric
[11:51:19] <R2E4> Ah, look at that..... IT has EMC2 post.....
[11:51:33] <R2E4> I'm just waiting for something to fall apart. Its never this easy....
[11:51:34] <cncbasher> their u go
[11:51:39] <cncbasher> haha
[11:52:17] <cncbasher> i use solidworks and camworks or mastercam ... but i'm spoiled
[11:52:45] <R2E4> haha.... I dont have 35,000 bones....
[11:53:07] <cncbasher> must be on special offer
[11:53:22] <R2E4> That was a guess...
[11:54:40] <R2E4> Why does it say "LinuxCNC post processors for Vectric cut2D and cut3D by cncbasher " Did you write the post?
[11:55:23] <cncbasher> yep
[11:55:37] <cncbasher> thats a while back
[11:56:03] <cncbasher> 2009 2010 i'd recon
[11:56:05] <R2E4> ah.... excuse me...
[12:13:12] <IchGuckLive> hi B)
[12:13:21] <IchGuckLive> ReadError: ?
[12:14:09] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: snow hight now 25cm+
[12:14:16] <L84Supper> http://www.optomec.com/downloads/Optomec_AerosolJet_DataSheet.pdf $100K for a fancy airbrush
[12:14:42] <IchGuckLive> its on gold based color
[12:14:58] <IchGuckLive> with dimand trigger
[12:16:02] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: so what?
[12:16:38] <IchGuckLive> shuffel alot
[12:34:34] <skunkworks> R2E4, linuxcnc does take a bit of elbow grease to setup.
[12:34:54] <skunkworks> partly because it is so flexable. But well worth it
[12:35:33] <IchGuckLive> skunkworks: what is he installing a mill?
[12:36:24] <R2E4> Yeah, I've used linux since slakware with pre 1 kernel.
[12:36:51] <R2E4> So it wont be a linux issue but more of a linuxcnc app issue..... and I've known to have issues....:-)
[12:37:19] <R2E4> IchGuckLive: Bridgeport CNC series 1 R2E4 Mill
[12:37:35] <IchGuckLive> nice on 10.04 2.5.0
[12:37:58] <R2E4> Ive got linuxcnc installed allready and did a 48hour latency test
[12:38:03] <R2E4> Boss 9
[12:38:30] <IchGuckLive> oh you got G-code running 48hr
[12:38:47] <IchGuckLive> R2E4: increse Velocity O.O
[12:39:07] <R2E4> hehe... no, just the latency test. nto gcode running
[12:39:18] <IchGuckLive> so what
[12:39:33] <IchGuckLive> 4glx gears and a Firerfox download an done
[12:39:40] <IchGuckLive> 5min
[12:39:48] <IchGuckLive> and you got the worst
[12:40:02] <R2E4> oh I see, yeah I didnt do that. no gcode running. is it better with gcode running?
[12:40:07] <R2E4> I see.
[12:40:14] <IchGuckLive> no
[12:40:35] <IchGuckLive> latency always alone but with power to the CPU
[12:40:48] <IchGuckLive> as glxgears got the graphics
[12:40:57] <IchGuckLive> firerfox the NET
[12:41:12] <R2E4> okj
[12:41:20] <IchGuckLive> and if you push also a USB sstick in you got the trouble inside
[12:41:36] <IchGuckLive> all clear to go
[12:42:44] <R2E4> getting reay to order the mesa stuff.
[12:42:55] <R2E4> The mill's coming in saturday.
[12:43:00] <IchGuckLive> R2E4: http://oldvan.com/metal/Mill2_1S.jpg is this yours
[12:43:15] <R2E4> no
[12:43:40] <IchGuckLive> did you mount servos
[12:43:55] <R2E4> IT has servos
[12:44:18] <IchGuckLive> oh yeah so 5i25 7i77
[12:44:27] <R2E4> yup.
[12:44:50] <R2E4> Those guys were telling me the kit bt I didnt find it in the price book.
[12:44:59] <IchGuckLive> if you pull the latest from buildbot there is a ready made mashine in it
[12:45:42] <R2E4> whats a buildbot?
[12:46:08] <IchGuckLive> our ppa server -> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[12:47:41] <IchGuckLive> remove the linuxcnc.org from 3rd party sotware and get ""deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ lucid master-rt" in update the packet sources and get linuxcnc
[12:49:14] <R2E4> http://www.irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/BPr2e4.jpg
[12:49:43] <R2E4> thats the one.
[12:50:03] <R2E4> ok, what are we doing there. debian source?
[12:50:11] <IchGuckLive> is there a toolchanger beond the savty switch
[12:50:20] <R2E4> no
[12:50:28] <R2E4> I dont think.
[12:51:04] <IchGuckLive> i think its a semiautomatic 8 tool changer
[12:51:16] <R2E4> I dont think it has a tool changer on it.
[12:52:40] <R2E4> So are you saying, if I upgrade to the deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ lucid master-sim, it will have the machine configured in it?
[12:53:07] <IchGuckLive> :D
[12:54:33] <R2E4> This branch is not always stable! Use with care!
[12:55:04] <IchGuckLive> the 2.5 may also have it now
[12:55:20] <IchGuckLive> it gives you 2.5.x
[12:55:32] <IchGuckLive> so start with this no matter
[12:55:42] <IchGuckLive> you can change all time
[12:56:22] <R2E4> Should I wait till I get my mesa hardware?
[12:56:24] <skunkworks> R2E4, the kit is on the top of page 4 of the price sheet
[12:56:45] <IchGuckLive> R2E4: ofcause wait till mashine is at your hand
[12:57:58] <R2E4> I see em...... did i not tell you I was half blind also?
[12:58:29] <R2E4> 239.99. I might as well get two.
[12:58:33] <IchGuckLive> with both eys shot you can mill a part on linuxcnc O.O B)
[12:58:36] <skunkworks> I have problems with lists also
[12:59:49] <R2E4> shit, I think I may get soem servos and wap put my homemade mach3/stepper cnc router table.
[13:00:00] <JesusAlos> what is the best way to do the security backup of linuxcnc?
[13:00:14] <R2E4> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadI53SivOg
[13:00:49] <JesusAlos> No say the config folder, I say all linuxcnc and componets relationship
[13:04:15] <skunkworks> R2E4, cool
[13:04:36] <skunkworks> (don't go into linuxcnc expecting it to be exactly like mach. It isn't)
[13:05:57] <skunkworks> of course it is better :)
[13:07:18] <R2E4> I installed it back when I built my machien and couldnt get the slave y stepper working. so I put in mach
[13:13:57] <R2E4> 4 weeks wait for a 2 hp vfd and 400.00those guys are BS.
[13:17:27] <L84Supper> an ebay search for a submicron fluid atomized comes back with 0 results, what year is this?
[13:50:48] <r00t4rd3d> box i finished today http://imgur.com/a/oGCiM
[13:52:41] <skunkworks> that is cool - but creepy
[13:53:38] <r00t4rd3d> just call me the undertaker
[13:57:07] <mrsun_> nice =)
[13:59:24] <L84Supper> didn't someone here integrate a camera system EMC?
[13:59:51] <cpresser> L84Supper: psha did. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Axis_Embed_Video
[14:02:16] <L84Supper> we can extend this to use the camera to align the parts
[14:03:02] <skunkworks> sounds good :)
[14:03:19] <skunkworks> I would love a plugin that would read targets...
[14:03:29] <skunkworks> :)
[14:03:49] <SWPLinux> openCV to the rescue
[14:04:19] <R2E4> Whats he using for a capture card?
[14:04:41] <skunkworks> I think he was just using a usb camera
[14:05:33] <skunkworks> SWPLinux, How is it going?
[14:07:20] <Jymmm> SWPLinux in da house!
[14:09:46] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: Hadn't hear from you in so long I was about to send out the SAR Chihuahuas to hunt you down!
[14:09:54] <R2E4> ANybody use Dura PULSE vfd's?
[14:12:38] <R2E4> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/gs3drives.pdf
[14:14:57] <andypugh> mhaberler: I have been looking at the Orient HAL component. I wonder if it could usefully have a built-in set of MUX2 style pins to choose between two PID outputs?
[14:15:46] <mhaberler> sure, go ahead - that's why I separated it out from motion so you can do arbitrary stunts in a custom module
[14:15:56] <cncbasher> R2E4: gs3drives ?
[14:16:47] <L84Supper> andypugh: any thoughts on an fuel injector or micro-nozzle atomizer that produces the smallest size fluid particles (<1um)?
[14:17:39] <cncbasher> R2E4:what about them your question ?
[14:17:55] <andypugh> L84Supper: http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/index.php?f=fuel_injectors :-)
[14:24:23] <SWPLinux> hi Jymmm. yep, been otherwise occupied lately
[14:24:38] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: I emailed a few times too
[14:25:13] <SWPLinux> yeah, I saw one of them, but I got it just after my mother died, so I had other things on my mind
[14:25:39] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: condolences. Yeah, I understand the chaos
[14:25:57] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: CHAOS IS MY LIFE =)
[14:26:19] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: There are the MAyhem commercials, maybe I should apply for CHAOS?
[14:26:21] <SWPLinux> heh. entropy man II
[14:26:38] <SWPLinux> (my firend Patrick is the original Entropy Man)
[14:26:58] <Jymmm> heh
[14:27:06] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: You coming out this year?
[14:27:43] <SWPLinux> no, I'm straight
[14:28:24] <SWPLinux> I may be out there twice actually, I'm considering going to the nVidia GPU developers conference next month in addition to ESC
[14:28:42] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: Ah ok, cool.
[14:31:13] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: Give me advanced notice, I cant remember shit anymore =)
[14:31:20] <SWPLinux> heh
[14:32:36] <SWPLinux> GDC (the nVidia thing) is next month, 17-22 ish, and ESC is end of April, 21-26 ish
[14:32:52] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: ok, cool
[14:33:08] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: where's GSC?
[14:33:12] <Jymmm> GDC
[14:33:20] <SWPLinux> San Jose Convention center
[14:33:24] <SWPLinux> same
[14:33:27] <Jymmm> ok
[14:33:39] <Jymmm> easy enough, I already know the layout =)
[14:37:10] <JesusAlos> JT-Shop: Plase I need a reference to logical instructions to .hal files
[14:40:15] <R2E4> can I use one of the 6 axis for spindle 0-10v speed and direction control off of a 7i77 board>
[14:41:30] <skunkworks> yes
[14:42:10] <R2E4> Oh this is coming toegether nicely and well within budget.
[14:43:49] <R2E4> This is not going to be good. i can tell I wont sleep until thius is done once it gets in......
[14:45:35] <andypugh> JesusAlos: Have you seen http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html and http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/basic_hal.html and http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halrun.1.html
[14:55:24] <JT-Shop> JesusAlos: can you rephrase the question?
[14:58:33] <JesusAlos> andypugh: Is that I need
[14:58:43] <JesusAlos> Sorry for my English
[14:59:05] <JT-Shop> it's better than my Spanish :)
[15:09:14] <JT-Shop> dang Rotax 991 has a rev limiter set to 10,000...
[15:34:25] <mrsun_> hehe, tried mililng steel using a 50mm surface mill (gah i keep forgetting the name of them) in the sieg X1 ... like 20mm wide cut with it .. it doesnt like it :P
[15:34:30] <mrsun_> but i get a mirror finnish :P
[15:38:06] <Connor> Guys, Question. 5i25 + 7i77, Controlling VFD (In fact 2, 1 for spindle, 1 for a coolant pump)
[15:41:32] <JT-Shop> your just turning the pump on and off?
[15:41:51] <Connor> Not sure how he wants it yet..
[15:42:30] <Connor> http://www.driveswarehouse.com/p-2684-nes1-004sb.aspx
[15:42:33] <Connor> for the pump
[15:42:41] <Connor> http://www.driveswarehouse.com/p-2537-wj200-110lf.aspx
[15:42:44] <Connor> for the spindle
[15:43:36] <Connor> okay, yea, for the pump, always in one direction, no variable speed..
[15:49:04] <Connor> I've never done anything with a VFD.. so, I'm a bit lost..
[15:49:50] <JT-Shop> they should have a set of inputs to run the motor on the vfd
[15:50:22] <Connor> okay, the one for the pump has a switch that toggle between voltage input and current input..
[15:50:49] <Connor> and logic terminal a,b for input/output signals for inverter control ?
[15:50:57] <JT-Shop> that sounds like a speed reference not a run input
[15:59:35] <JT-Shop> yuck, I changed to a 15" monitor and now Touchy jumps all over the place when I try and use it :(
[15:59:39] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, gettin any weather?
[16:00:43] <JT-Shop> not yet
[16:00:51] <JT-Shop> getting overcast and cooler
[16:01:06] <Tom_itx> you must be east of the cloud band then
[16:01:15] <Tom_itx> http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?region=default
[16:02:09] <JT-Shop> aye, it is about Van Buren or so it looks like
[16:02:48] <Tom_itx> it's managed to stay above freezing here at least
[16:03:20] <JT-Shop> looks like we will get it from the south
[16:03:53] <JT-Shop> I better take Cocoa out so she can make the plants grow
[16:06:59] <asdfasd> can anyone tell me what can cause unexpecded delay within fist 2-3 minutes, after that working just fine, update manager disabled
[16:08:14] <cradek> you only see one of those per run - subsequent similar errors are not shown
[16:08:56] <asdfasd> I not only see it, it also cause servo controller error, after that working hours with no errors
[16:10:21] <asdfasd> if I left the pc with running emc for 10 minutes, and then start gcode, then no errors
[16:18:53] <mrsun_> how are lathes in rigidity for milling? :)
[16:19:09] <mrsun_> thinking its not the forces that its used to having :P
[16:26:28] <JT-Shop> does Touchy have a min size? I just tried the sim on my new touch screen and it jump left and right each time you touch it
[16:27:16] <JT-Shop> ha it must be ubuntu screen res
[16:27:56] <cradek> JT-Shop: futz with the font sizes to make it all fit
[16:28:30] <cradek> oh ha, first have to make your desktop be not weird
[16:28:47] <JT-Shop> ok, I check the screen res and it is correct for the monitor
[16:28:54] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:28:58] <JT-Shop> let me try fonts
[16:29:50] <skunkworks> seems milling on a lathe would be challenging.. You would have to make sure you are not milling in such a way to lift the apron
[16:32:03] <JT-Shop> cradek: that was wierd with the fonts that size you could not touch anything when maximized until all the fonts were set at 12
[16:33:08] <JT-Shop> this is a 15" touch monitor so I would recommend changing them to 12 for the sample config as it was too weird the other way
[16:38:44] <andypugh> Connor: Can the pump VFD just be set to run at a fixed speed (And why use a VFD anyway, why not just a relay?)
[16:41:12] <andypugh> mrsun_: You can use a lathe as a mill. It works poorly: https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5397760774091143489/5398215426996934626 As you say, the forces are in directons that the lathe bed is not meant for.
[16:41:26] <JT-Shop> might be a 3-phase coolant pump
[16:41:37] <andypugh> So use a 3-pole relay?
[16:42:02] <JT-Shop> only if you have a shop with 3-phase
[16:42:03] <mrsun_> andypugh, yes but using the spindle as the spindle i ment
[16:42:10] <JesusAlos> GN
[16:42:10] <mrsun_> that has an attachment for a millng head :P
[16:42:24] <JT-Shop> did you get hal figured out JesusAlos
[16:42:37] <andypugh> mrsun_: That's my combo machine. There is a reason I am converting a proper machine.
[16:43:08] <andypugh> There are many vertical slides for lathes to allow milling. I doubt that they work any better.
[16:43:20] <JesusAlos> Yes. but I do not get what I need
[16:44:17] <JesusAlos> Is the issue Pause spindle when push pause button of axis
[16:44:32] <mrsun_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAnCbkweftM that kind of setup with locked carriage
[16:44:57] <JesusAlos> I will continue testing
[16:45:10] <JT-Shop> ok, look at halui.is-paused
[16:45:48] <andypugh> Connor: / JT-Shop My coolant pump is three-phase. I control it with a solid-state relay and use a capacitor to make the third leg. Much cheaper than a VFD, perfectly adequate for a suds pump. The capacitor is the blue thing lurking under the tangle of wires: https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5753625291552416706
[16:45:52] <JT-Shop> could be a catch 22
[16:46:34] <JT-Shop> andypugh: aye just like a phase converter, add a cap across the fake line to the real lines
[16:47:33] <JT-Shop> I had a wire drawing machine with a fractional hp 3 phase that ran on single phase (poor connection) for years before it was discovered
[16:48:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/25/caterpillar-cat-b15-smartphone-offers-a-taste-of-rugged-jelly-bean/
[17:16:19] <t12> does the standard linuxcnc ubuntu install disc not allow mdraid configuration?
[17:17:05] <Jymmm> I hope you're not serious
[17:18:14] <Jymmm> Even if it does, that just seems oh so wrong
[17:20:04] <cradek> we didn't make any change to the installer, so it will work just like the ubuntu 10.04 desktop cd
[17:20:21] <cradek> I think it's likely you have to use the "alternate" installer to get lvm and/or md
[17:20:59] <t12> ahh ok
[17:21:09] <t12> i'm used to rhel/centos so i'm not sure if i just didnt notice the options or what
[17:21:21] <t12> whats wrong with mdraid?
[17:21:48] <cradek> usually people like to keep installs for realtime performance as simple as possible
[17:22:08] <t12> i'd think mdraid would be ideal
[17:22:12] <t12> drive failure -> minimal downtime
[17:22:22] <cradek> (I think block level raid is pretty horrible in general, but that's beside the point)
[17:22:24] <t12> except the hassle of moving the bootloader if the MBR disk is the one that failed
[17:23:11] <cradek> a backup copy of ~/linuxcnc and a standby disk already installed would also solve that problem
[17:23:30] <t12> true
[17:23:35] <t12> by block level raid do yo mean
[17:23:44] <t12> any raid that presents itself as a unified device?
[17:24:14] <cradek> any raid that resyncs by copying all blocks of the disk, whether or not they're actually in use
[17:25:06] <Valen> if you make the raid, the generic (gui) installer will install to it
[17:25:17] <Valen> you can do it from the live cd its just a bit manual
[17:25:23] <t12> gotcha
[17:25:46] <Valen> also raid1 just install the bootloader to all disks
[17:25:56] <t12> yeah
[17:26:00] <t12> just always have to remember to do so by hand
[17:26:10] <t12> aka always forget
[17:26:15] <Valen> block level raid is all that there is until you use something like raidz cradek
[17:26:37] <Valen> (as far as i know raidz is the only non-block raid that you can actually use)
[17:26:47] <t12> wait till you have a raidz failure
[17:26:49] <cradek> yeah I use zfs for my server and consider desktop installs ephemeral
[17:26:51] <t12> they're fantasticly awful
[17:26:59] <t12> we had as best as i can tell
[17:27:02] <Valen> t12: hrm?
[17:27:05] <t12> a 24 tb raid
[17:27:13] <t12> sas expander live reset when a drive went weird
[17:27:13] <Valen> cradek: zfs in linux?
[17:27:24] <cradek> no, freebsd
[17:27:26] <t12> brought all the drives back up, with id's shifted over one
[17:27:33] <cradek> I don't use linux for important servers :-)
[17:27:36] <Valen> freenas or something home grown?
[17:27:42] <t12> caches for the wrong disks then flushed
[17:27:49] <t12> as best as i can tell this is what happened
[17:27:55] <Valen> t12 you cant really blame zfs for that lol
[17:27:59] <t12> i know
[17:28:09] <t12> it took hiring a sun zfs engineer
[17:28:19] <t12> to custom massacre the kernel to get into some kind of ro mode though
[17:28:36] <cradek> no backups?
[17:28:45] <t12> there were not any
[17:28:49] <cradek> :-/
[17:28:52] <t12> RAIDS BACKUP RIGHT? WE DONT NEED A TAPE LIB?
[17:28:55] <t12> (we now have a tape lib)
[17:28:57] <cradek> hahaha
[17:29:04] <Valen> lol ouch
[17:29:08] <t12> amazingly after 2x of those zfs failures, one successful recoery
[17:29:09] <t12> one loss
[17:29:12] <t12> and 3rd failure beginning
[17:29:20] <t12> i still had to convince them that a tape robot is worth it
[17:29:23] <Valen> I am slowly getting zfs replications to offsite working
[17:29:25] <t12> and yes, they're as much as the disk, sorry guys!
[17:29:37] <Valen> geez its only 24TB just do a live backup
[17:29:49] <Jymmm> t12: Did you use ECC ram?
[17:30:00] <Valen> 's only $1200 in disks ;->
[17:30:32] <t12> well
[17:30:33] <Valen> heck if your feeling fancy, just stick 6x 4Tb disks into a consumer mbo
[17:30:36] <t12> were at around 250tb now
[17:30:59] <Valen> 's only 62.5 4 TB disks ;-P
[17:31:28] <Valen> I wonder if its time you guys started looking at ceph or something along those lines
[17:31:33] <t12> i'm generally against rsync backups
[17:31:41] <t12> nah we just keep buying big nfs boxes
[17:31:45] <t12> its the only real practical way here
[17:31:51] <Valen> zfs snapshots are below rsync,
[17:31:54] <Jymmm> t12: Did you use ECC ram?
[17:32:02] <t12> jymmm: in anything i buy, yes
[17:32:15] <Valen> you can then replicate the snapshot and have that as a point in time
[17:32:18] <Jymmm> t12: and the boxes that are/were running zfs?
[17:32:24] <t12> i believe they were
[17:32:33] <Jymmm> heh, but you dont know =)
[17:32:37] <t12> nope
[17:32:46] <t12> i adoped that abomination with the job
[17:32:57] <t12> i wouldnt have purchased a pile of nexenta machines
[17:33:06] <Jymmm> heh
[17:33:30] <Valen> ecc ram in the host isn't going to stop some drive expander from spazzing out
[17:33:39] <t12> it will maybe prevent random bitflips
[17:33:47] <Jymmm> Valen: it's needed for ZFS
[17:33:49] <t12> which i've yet to see actually happen much in practice
[17:34:06] <Valen> pretty sure ecc isn't required for zfs
[17:34:32] <Valen> given i have zfs running without it
[17:34:36] <Jymmm> Valen: If you want the reliability that zfs offers it is
[17:34:53] <Jymmm> Sure, you can run w/o ECC
[17:35:15] <Jymmm> Just becasue you can, doens't mean you should.
[17:35:19] <Valen> zfs is no different to any other file system with regards use or not of ecc
[17:35:33] <Jymmm> Valen: wanna bet?
[17:35:34] <t12> sunoracle just needs to pander to the
[17:35:38] <t12> our computers will never break market
[17:35:44] <t12> so you put that requirement bullet point on the paper for cya
[17:35:50] <t12> the same way the zfs people are like
[17:35:58] <t12> well you cant blame zfs if the underlying hardware fucks up!
[17:36:07] <t12> (except it always does, and zfs's design was to mitigate that
[17:36:31] <Jymmm> t12: Bet ecc was the last part of that chain
[17:36:33] <Jymmm> but
[17:36:38] <t12> after running into really obscure drive problems in raids
[17:36:44] <t12> i understand what they were shooting for
[17:36:49] <Jymmm> =)
[17:36:50] <t12> mainly that you cant really trust a Hd to give you the right bits back
[17:36:59] <t12> so they needed to layer checksums on top of it
[17:37:13] <t12> i had a random hard drive, as part of a raid6
[17:37:17] <Valen> I'm rather appalled that you can only get to the equivalent of raid6 with it
[17:37:23] <t12> that would flip a specific bit of 64bit writes 1->0 .0000001% of the time
[17:37:32] <t12> since most raid6's do no verify on read
[17:37:39] <Jymmm> t12: 24/7/265 that would add up
[17:37:44] <t12> randomf files would gradually flip
[17:37:49] <Jymmm> 365 even =)
[17:37:49] <t12> it was amazingly hard to reproduce
[17:37:56] <t12> i could reproduce it once a day at 24/7 io load
[17:38:02] <t12> max io load
[17:38:15] <t12> which yeah adds up
[17:38:20] <Jymmm> t12: Stop using those celerons =)
[17:38:26] <t12> that was all enterprise hp gear
[17:38:33] <t12> point being, hd's lie, sometimes
[17:38:34] <Jymmm> even worse =)
[17:38:34] <t12> rarely
[17:39:17] <Jymmm> KISS... rsync once a day to a 2nd hdd =)
[17:39:27] <Jymmm> 24hr backup =)
[17:39:39] <t12> rsync doesnt save you
[17:39:40] <Jymmm> flip cable, hit power, done
[17:39:50] <t12> all it does is propigte your errors over your backup
[17:40:00] <t12> the only way is piles of tape and lots of drives
[17:40:02] <t12> as far as i can tell
[17:40:08] <ReadError> incremental backups
[17:40:10] <t12> at least modern tape is way fast
[17:40:12] <cradek> so many people do that - and it's much better than nothing - but wildly inadequate for actual important data
[17:40:17] <Jymmm> Yeah cradek is a sick tape freak
[17:40:18] <ReadError> if the md5sum changes it makes a new file
[17:40:33] <t12> yeah you can dervish/timemachine/whatever style it
[17:40:43] <Valen> hourly zfs snapshots replicated to a second PC then daily offsite replication is my setup
[17:41:33] <Valen> I'd like some kind of write only file system, copy on write kinda thing based on zfs but theres nothing mature that I've been able to see
[17:42:01] <t12> there was the plan9 MO filesystem
[17:42:07] <Jymmm> Laser engraved granite tiles of QRCoded data is my backup!
[17:42:19] <t12> vms versioning filesystem!
[17:42:47] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I beat that code into submission my splitting the G0 lines onto two lines. Not too difficult.
[17:42:51] <Valen> yeah, but its not really off the shelf
[17:43:00] <Valen> I use freenas for my file servers
[17:43:19] <andypugh> Can't help thinking that a CAM package that swipes the tool through the work isn't earning its keep.
[17:43:33] <t12> time to tend to users!
[17:43:36] <Valen> andypugh: that old rapid to home through the job thing
[17:43:44] <Valen> t12: dd random data over their crap
[17:43:50] <andypugh> Rapid to the next cut, actually.
[17:43:50] <Valen> that'll learn them
[17:44:07] <Valen> oh i got a quote back from dmm
[17:44:32] <cradek> andypugh: just curious: what cam package?
[17:45:21] <cradek> ha, the first two instagram pictures out of north korea are both of food
[17:45:28] <cradek> welcome to the modern world, stupid as it is
[17:45:38] <andypugh> Valen: http://imagebin.org/247963
[17:45:43] <Jymmm> cradek: Remember YT in the beginning?
[17:45:53] <andypugh> Every G0 swipes through the profile...
[17:46:19] <Jymmm> t12: where you at on the planet?
[17:46:26] <Valen> they have food in NK?
[17:46:31] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Feb%2025%2C%206%2029%2047%20PM.jpg
[17:46:35] <ReadError> \o/
[17:46:52] <Valen> andypugh: I just tried to rotate the view lol
[17:46:52] <cradek> cool!
[17:47:27] <Valen> ReadError: thats some serious duct work, looks like the ISS lol
[17:47:36] <ReadError> lol
[17:47:41] <ReadError> AC/heater ;)
[17:47:45] <Jymmm> looks liek hydroponics ducting to me
[17:48:24] <Jymmm> ReadError has to pay for all that somehow =)
[17:48:38] <ReadError> ;p
[17:50:08] <Valen> did you guys see that briefcase mill?
[17:50:50] <Valen> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop_machines/157385-ryans_g0704-post1239027.html#post1239027
[17:52:45] <andypugh> cradek: Not sure what CAM, it's Tom-itx's. Here is a screen shot: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/andyp/inner.jpg
[17:53:00] <AR_> do me
[18:09:27] <Jymmm> Valen: It's "cute"
[18:09:42] <Valen> good for a first try at least
[18:14:28] <andypugh> I don't see the point of that mill, but it's a nice bit of work.
[18:15:04] <andypugh> I can imagine something similatr being a good technology deomostrator for a controller manufacturer.
[18:19:55] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i'd never used the lathe cam so it was in rough shape
[18:20:16] <Tom_itx> and i threw the post together after you asked for help
[18:20:25] <Tom_itx> so i knew it was in need of a bit of work
[18:21:15] <Tom_itx> i could have posted the G0 on separate lines as you did but i didn't know it needed it
[18:21:22] <Tom_itx> not all controls behave the same
[18:21:48] <Tom_itx> your feedback would help me get a good working post
[18:22:19] <t12> jymmm: san francisco
[18:22:43] <Tom_itx> andypugh, did you do the z move first then x?
[18:22:53] <Tom_itx> on the rapids
[18:23:17] <andypugh> No, X then Z.
[18:23:29] <Tom_itx> i'd like to repost it and have you at least load it
[18:23:36] <Tom_itx> even if you don't use it
[18:23:52] <andypugh> A small Z move away from the work, then the X then the Z would be even better.
[18:24:17] <Tom_itx> that's what the 20mm retract was supposed to do but i'm not sure it was doing it
[18:24:34] <Tom_itx> i need to read a bit more about the lathe package to figure out how that is handled
[18:26:18] <andypugh> 20mm retract is unusally much. I typiclally retraco 0.2mm :-)
[18:26:23] <Tom_itx> i think i can add it as soon as i figure out what variable it uses in the post
[18:26:36] <Tom_itx> i know, but i wanted to be sure it was working
[18:26:44] <Tom_itx> i normally don't retract that much either
[18:27:03] <Tom_itx> just enough to clear the tool tip and any fixtures
[18:27:17] <andypugh> I wonder why that portable-cnc chap messes about with Kflop? Has he never heard of LinuxCNC?
[18:27:25] <Tom_itx> you gonna be around a while?
[18:27:29] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna shower
[18:27:42] <andypugh> No, it's time I logged off to sleep.
[18:28:00] <Tom_itx> well i'll mess with it and maybe have something to try in a day or so
[18:28:08] <andypugh> I'll be back tomorrow though. I have the plywood blanks glued up in the garage.
[18:28:16] <Tom_itx> i'd like to get a working post for lcnc
[18:28:40] <Tom_itx> for the lathe...
[18:28:44] <Tom_itx> i have one for the mill
[18:29:28] <Tom_itx> there are all sorts of template words i can use but the template was a very basic one i started with
[18:29:48] <Tom_itx> i imagine the z retract was one not used in this one
[18:31:21] <Tom_itx> the whole template is only about 35 lines
[18:33:10] <andypugh> What software are you using?
[18:33:14] <Tom_itx> smartcam
[18:33:18] <Tom_itx> an old version
[18:33:27] <Tom_itx> it's quite similar to mastercam
[18:34:08] <Tom_itx> http://www.smartcamcnc.com/
[18:35:06] <andypugh> Looking at it now.
[18:35:24] <Tom_itx> mine is probably 15yrs old
[18:35:50] <Tom_itx> i didn't keep the license up on it since they switched over to Catia in the shop
[18:36:08] <Tom_itx> so i use it for my hobbies now
[18:37:38] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: we are fixing to get wet
[18:37:50] <Tom_itx> we are already wet
[18:38:06] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: the good wet or the you've been very bad wet?
[18:38:10] <JT-Shop> check this out http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/40-subroutines-and-ngcgui/26221-qteardropq-subroutineq#30583
[18:38:11] <Tom_itx> we didn't get what they predicted though
[18:38:24] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: dunno
[18:39:33] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i have the freeform mill and basic turn package
[18:39:47] <JT-Shop> I usually loose sat connection when the rain starts :(
[18:40:04] <Tom_itx> better say it all now then
[18:40:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: thats just a WX indicator
[18:41:13] <JT-Shop> if you want to stick a few of them doo-dads in an envelope and mail them to me I can try and glue them
[18:42:39] <Tom_itx> andypugh, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/andyp/outerprofilenew.ngc
[18:42:46] <Tom_itx> is that closer to what you did?
[18:42:59] <t12> dang i didnt realize
[18:43:03] <t12> how small taigs actually are
[18:44:19] <Tom_itx> andypugh, the retracts are still broke in those
[18:44:24] <Tom_itx> need to read a bit on that first
[18:45:23] <andypugh> That's pretty much it, yes.
[18:45:30] <Tom_itx> that was an easy fix
[18:45:51] <Tom_itx> now i'll figure out the retract and add that in after bit
[18:46:11] <andypugh> Something funny at 2654 too. (I changed the order of some operations in my meddled-with version.)
[18:46:13] <Tom_itx> i reposted both files in case you hadn't edited the other one
[18:46:53] <Valen> andypugh: oh god, i used usps as an example of a postal carrier when talking to dmm
[18:47:09] <Valen> so they gave me a price on driving to USA and posting it
[18:47:17] <andypugh> "Lose an elephant, break an anvil"?
[18:47:38] <Valen> i did say "eg usps or canada post"
[18:47:58] <Valen> I sent him a link to canadaposts parcel calculator
[18:48:12] <andypugh> I bet there are boats from Vancouver to Aus.
[18:48:28] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i'll probably post another fix by tomorrow for the z retract
[18:48:30] <Tom_itx> showertime now
[18:48:37] <toastyde1th> off topic, is anyone excited about the ubuntu phone os
[18:48:43] <andypugh> Yeah, I said I was logging 20 mins ago
[18:49:12] <Tom_itx> seeing is believing
[19:12:17] <R2E4> Their is no 5i25 machine configuration in the Configuration selector. IS it easy to create one?
[19:12:55] <JT-Shop> yes
[19:13:32] <R2E4> I think I have your config setup
[19:14:01] <JT-Shop> 77 or 76?
[19:14:47] <R2E4> 77
[19:14:56] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, you think my tractors sexy? http://i.imgur.com/SAF7SZm.jpg
[19:15:10] <JT-Shop> yoiu can use the pncconf for servos
[19:15:29] * JT-Shop goes inside to cook some chow
[19:20:50] <R2E4> The guy said he was giving me 1500.00 worth of tools. woohoo!!
[19:21:28] <ReadError> nice r00t4rd3d
[19:21:33] <ReadError> did you paint it?
[19:21:36] <ReadError> after you cut
[19:21:39] <ReadError> wheres the poem
[19:45:47] <R2E4> Gantry Kins
[19:46:11] <R2E4> Thats what I needed when I built my cnc router.
[19:46:31] <R2E4> couldnt get it to work though.
[19:48:02] <ReadError> get what to work
[19:52:17] <skunkworks> there are quite a few people that have gantry machines.. I think they all do if different... ;)
[19:54:17] <skunkworks> gantry kins has some drawbacks I think. (like you have to switch from joint to world mode..)
[19:58:16] <skunkworks> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GantryPlasmaMachine
[20:00:25] <R2E4> The problem I had was with the homing if I remember corectly.
[20:03:06] <R2E4> Thats a nice machine. Problem with it is the angle iron the vbearings are on wears out and if you dont use it the same all the way accross the axis it wears differently and you end up with a very inaccurate machine.
[20:03:46] <R2E4> Hes got servos on it and I opnly have steppers on mine. Probably a 2-3000.00 difference.
[20:04:37] <R2E4> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadI53SivOg
[20:37:22] <skunkworks> I have a few 10tb raid boxes (pretty inexpensive)
[20:37:45] <Jymmm> which?
[20:38:16] <skunkworks> they work great for what we need. I did have to update the firmware in all of the (again inexpensive) esata controlers we had. The would randomly drop drives. (I have not had an issue since)
[20:38:27] <Valen> nasty bug
[20:39:18] <skunkworks> they would go for weeks and then a drive would drop
[20:39:25] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, no paint, gel stained the cuts, oil finish
[20:39:51] <skunkworks> My helper looked today - one of the server has been up for almost a year. (gasp - 12.04)
[20:41:12] <minibnz> does anyone here know how well a 808nm laser will go for cutting plastic and steel? the one unit i have here for testing is 1watt (i know its a baby) once i have my thoery right i will purchase a 50watt laser diode..
[20:41:49] <Valen> mind yer eye safety, even with the 1W
[20:42:07] <Jymmm> 50W YaG will cut steel
[20:42:09] <Valen> I *think* the IR will be ok in plastic but probably not steel
[20:42:13] <Jymmm> not a CO2
[20:42:15] <Valen> its pretty reflective
[20:42:42] <r00t4rd3d> i have some 5mw lasers and they blind me
[20:42:45] <minibnz> ahh i have goggles on their way :)
[20:43:05] <t12> and i think the 50W units
[20:43:09] <t12> are gonna have really weird beams
[20:43:13] <Valen> don't use it till you have them
[20:43:14] <minibnz> jymm i am thinking of a solid state diode. rather than a YAG setup.
[20:43:15] <t12> like its going to be a big oval
[20:43:31] <Jymmm> minibnz: then think 2000W
[20:43:36] <Valen> IR reflects of odd things and can bounce quite a ways
[20:43:36] <t12> theres special lenses for handling them
[20:43:54] <Jymmm> 2000W CO2 or 50W Yag for metals.
[20:44:06] <minibnz> tl2 the 50watt diode is a single bar unit. 10mm wide, yes they will need optics to clean up.
[20:44:29] <Valen> perhaps just get a fiber coupled one and don't bother ;->
[20:44:44] <Valen> I saw some 20W modules on the ebays a while ago, havent seen any since though
[20:44:55] <minibnz> valen i was thinking the same but they are beyone DIY.. and will cost mega $$$$
[20:45:12] <Valen> probably
[20:45:12] <minibnz> valen i have found 50watt diodes on ebay for 100$us
[20:45:28] <Valen> I was just going to stick a CO2 tube on the side of the head on the mill ;->
[20:45:50] <Tom_itx> does lcnc ignore text after the ';' ?
[20:46:00] <Tom_itx> so i can insert comments in gcode
[20:46:46] <skunkworks> Jymmm: rosewill 8 bay esata boxes
[20:46:47] <minibnz> valen i thought the same thing but when you get to about 400watts with a co2 laser tube they get a bit LARGE...
[20:47:06] <Valen> heh just a touch
[20:47:40] <minibnz> i was looking on youtube the other day and a 4kw laser tube is about 10inches round and 9feet long...
[20:47:41] <skunkworks> using some relativity cheap rocketraid pcie esata cards
[20:49:43] <Jymmm> ew
[20:50:43] <r00t4rd3d> when i eat mcdonalds my farts reek
[20:51:24] <r00t4rd3d> the dog left the room :/
[20:52:17] <minibnz> hehehe nice.. if you can get the dog to clear out you should probably steer clear of maccas..
[20:52:38] <Valen> I once had to leave outside and go back inside it was so bad
[20:52:50] <r00t4rd3d> whats maccas?
[20:53:08] <r00t4rd3d> nvm
[20:53:09] <minibnz> sorry.. Aussie slang for mcdonalds...
[20:53:19] <r00t4rd3d> i thought it meant church
[20:53:24] <R2E4> You guys kn anyone making 4th axis servo units?
[20:53:26] <Jymmm> McD's Steak House
[20:53:28] <Valen> minibnz: you .au as well?
[20:53:31] <Valen> sydney here
[20:53:43] <Jymmm> Mickey D's
[20:53:47] <r00t4rd3d> AYE MATE!
[20:53:56] <Valen> mcchuckers here
[20:53:57] <FinboySlick> Actually, McDonalds often has region-adapted menus. You can get poutine here in Quebec.
[20:53:57] <minibnz> Valen yeah me too..
[20:54:12] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: go light a bon fire =)
[20:54:12] <FinboySlick> What do aussies get, McVeggimite Burgers?
[20:54:16] <Valen> nifty lol, penrith/mountains here
[20:54:17] <Jymmm> lol
[20:54:21] <r00t4rd3d> is there a mcdonalds in mcchuckers?
[20:54:44] <minibnz> finboyslick they do that here in AU we have lamb burgers :) now they are great...
[20:54:45] <Valen> we called it mcchuckers because my younger brother would always eat until he puked when we went there
[20:54:54] <Valen> those are friggin briliant
[20:55:07] <Valen> 5000+kj in one burger but still
[20:55:16] <r00t4rd3d> the uk just tried horse burgers, didnt work out.
[20:55:19] * FinboySlick was once brought me vegimite on his trip to Canada... He was disappointed by my assessment of the taste.
[20:55:23] <minibnz> heheheh
[20:55:49] <Valen> (5000kg =~ half the RDI lol)
[20:56:12] <FinboySlick> We put cretons on toast here. It's like vegimite, but it's made with pork.
[20:56:34] <Valen> minibnz: what you doing anyway?
[20:56:49] <minibnz> hmm interesting.. vegemite is made from the left overs from brewing beer...
[20:57:02] <Valen> I prefer promite my self
[20:57:20] <Valen> vegemite you need to put a teensy amount on, promite you can put on by the inch
[20:57:51] <FinboySlick> Well cretons is from brewing pork!
[20:58:11] <minibnz> Valen i just put together a CNC mill out of a sieg X2.... I built a dividing head for it.. added steppers to all the axis' and now looking for a pneumatic cylinder to mak a toolchanger...
[20:58:32] <FinboySlick> minibnz: Very industrious.
[20:58:38] <minibnz> Valen yeah vegemite should only be applied just enough to change the color of the toast..
[20:58:39] <Valen> toolchanger nice
[20:58:54] <Valen> we would really like one for our hm45 conversion
[20:58:54] <minibnz> finboyslick i bought the mill to make a part for my 3d printer..
[20:58:58] <r00t4rd3d> I was looking up some Australian slang. Bumtoucher - a man who touches rectums.
[20:59:15] <Valen> then realised that the mill is far better than 3d printing? ;->
[20:59:41] <Valen> r00t4rd3d: you talkin about hopo
[21:01:28] <minibnz> heheh yeah i started out building the printer, got to the point where i designed and made a 3 filament extruder but the hobbed bolt was not good enough, and had to cut a gear like bolt, Known as a hyena (arcol tm) i needed one with three drive sections. so i bought the minimill (i call it the milliscule - a miniscule mill ) then i build the dividing head to make the drive bolt i needed..
[21:02:03] <minibnz> now i am looking to see what other things i can either add to them or add to the workshop, and lasers are cool..
[21:02:45] <FinboySlick> Remember, don't look at laser with remaining eye.
[21:03:25] <minibnz> looking at ebay makes me wonder where all the $$$$$ go into the comercail units.. as i can get a 400watt diode for $700 delivered. the hard part (as far as i can see) is the optics, but even the parts for that are cheap..
[21:03:47] <minibnz> so i am contemplating building a full sheet laser cutter..
[21:04:04] <minibnz> finboyslick i have that on a poster on my door to the office...
[21:04:27] <FinboySlick> It's a brilliant statement.
[21:04:45] <FinboySlick> Almost as good as: "Hold my beer and check this out." -- famous last words
[21:04:49] <minibnz> yup.. straight to the point..
[21:05:13] <Valen> 400w of laser would be nice
[21:06:04] <minibnz> and if it will only cost me $1000 for the laser head with optics thats a great price... compared to the comercial units.
[21:07:02] <minibnz> as for the XYZ gantry thats cheap enough for my mate to make to take a full sheet. and being a solid state diode i can mount the entire thing on the gantry and not have to deal with all the BS of side mounting a tube...
[21:07:33] <minibnz> at least thats my plan.. take small steps... before i lash out and buy me a big ass diode...
[21:08:13] <minibnz> my mate would really like to be able to cut 12-16mm steel.. i dont require that, 8-10mm will be plenty for me...
[21:08:41] <Valen> dude plasma
[21:09:00] <Valen> we are making a half sheet router/mill at the moment
[21:09:00] <minibnz> can anyone here tell me if its possible to cut 16mm steel with a laser that is underpowered? my thinking would be using air assist, and multiple passes..
[21:09:22] <Valen> 16mm steel is *thick* i don't know of anybody who would use a laser to do that
[21:09:25] <Valen> use a plasma cutter
[21:09:50] <minibnz> Valen plasma would be acceptable for some of our jobs but we need accuracy for this particular job he has in mind. he want to make steel bellhousings for gearbox conversions.
[21:10:05] <Valen> then rough it with a plasma then finish it in a mill
[21:10:15] <Valen> or just mill it
[21:10:46] <Valen> your going to get a significant taper over that thickness with pretty much anything
[21:10:56] <minibnz> Valen that will require a LARGE cnc mill, the X2 is not upto that job, we would love to buy a bigger mill in the future..
[21:11:17] <Valen> if you can build a table that big for a laser, just beef it up some and stick a spindle on it
[21:11:36] <Valen> ok its not going to do it in 5 minutes but it'll work better than a laser and it'll be right
[21:12:09] <minibnz> Valen this is true, we were thinking of making the head tilt so we can compensate for the tappering effect.
[21:12:25] <minibnz> oh i realise it wont be a quick process..
[21:12:33] <Valen> you now have a 5 axis laser thats not going to cut the steel lol
[21:13:00] <minibnz> heheheh
[21:13:14] <Valen> if he wants a big mill relatively cheap we can look at making something for him
[21:13:20] <minibnz> i was thinking of getting diodes with a 1064mn wavelength..
[21:13:50] <Valen> I don't know of anybody lasering steel thicker than a mm or so
[21:13:57] <Valen> its either plasma or water
[21:13:59] <minibnz> yeah building a big mill is an option..
[21:14:19] <Valen> I'd suggest that it'll be cheaper and work better than the laser
[21:15:29] <Valen> you need lasers like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b7C9AMNAbw
[21:15:42] <minibnz> Valen i have spoken with a few people that have hinted that a multi pass cut is possible. they say the trick is to make sure you let the job cool down.. between passes.. as if you get too much heat into the job the sheet will warp.
[21:15:58] <Valen> you would need to be doing vaporisation cutting
[21:16:03] <Valen> burn the steel off
[21:18:48] <minibnz> yeah thats what the air assist is for.. my understanding is (it could be wrong) the laser heats up the metal and the air blasts it out of the way.. if the sheet metal is too thick it assorbs too much of the power and doesnt vaporise but it melts into a pool. this is when you would need the air stream to blast it out the kerf.
[21:19:29] <Valen> I havent heard of people doing that, they use the air to blow it out the back side as a rule
[21:20:12] <minibnz> hmm ok i could have it wrong and the air needs to blast it down..
[21:20:21] <Valen> it would probably work
[21:20:25] <minibnz> i guess i will just have to try it out and see :)
[21:20:37] <Valen> but still, it feels like your solving the problem from the wrong end
[21:20:40] <Valen> just mill it
[21:20:56] <Valen> if you took 1mm passes with a 6mm cutter its only 16 passes
[21:20:57] <minibnz> i would expect the air pressure needed would be pretty strong to get it up and out of a blind hole...
[21:21:09] <Valen> it would be the velocity you would need
[21:21:35] <minibnz> ahh yeah more speed than pressure..
[21:22:12] <minibnz> i would have a probelm of the motlen metal being sprayed upwards towards the lens.... which could be bad...
[21:22:16] <Valen> yup
[21:22:21] <Valen> plasma
[21:22:23] <Valen> water
[21:22:24] <Valen> milling
[21:22:51] <Valen> we often get stuff plasma cut out of stupid hard steels and they are within a mm or so
[21:22:59] <Valen> and thats with no accuracy
[21:23:14] <Valen> (you can specify higher grades)
[21:23:57] <minibnz> hmm interesting...
[21:24:17] <Valen> $70 for a set of 3x ~300mm dia disks
[21:24:20] <Valen> bis400
[21:25:10] <Valen> ~8mm i think
[21:25:22] <Valen> gets more spendy when you get to 16 and 20mm
[21:25:31] <Valen> like $150 or so for a 350mm disk
[21:25:48] <minibnz> hmmm i will talk to my mate and see what he thinks about a plasma/ then mill process..
[21:26:10] <Valen> don't plasma biz then machine it, the HAZ goes hard as crap lol
[21:26:16] <Valen> still machines ok
[21:26:22] <Valen> how many of these does he want to make
[21:26:40] <Valen> or not
[21:27:14] <minibnz> Valen can you repeat your last msg... i clocked close instead of switching to this tab..
[21:27:34] <Valen> 14:13:08) Valen: don't plasma biz then machine it, the HAZ goes hard as crap lol
[21:27:34] <Valen> (14:13:13) Valen: still machines ok
[21:27:34] <Valen> (14:13:19) Valen: how many of these does he want to make
[21:28:27] <minibnz> Valen he wants to make them to order. so he will basically use a whole sheet to make his parts then put them aside until they are needed..
[21:28:54] <Valen> i mean are they all the same?
[21:28:58] <minibnz> the tricky part is that they will not be all the same as he want to be able to mkae them suit any car.
[21:29:04] <Valen> ahh
[21:29:12] <minibnz> this is why it would need a CNC mill for clean up..
[21:29:14] <Valen> how many a week is he planing on?
[21:29:35] <minibnz> not that many.. mabey 2-3 a week
[21:30:02] <Valen> I'd suggest then he talk to precision oxycut (or some of the other places around the place) and batch them up and get them cut
[21:30:19] <minibnz> hmmm interesting....
[21:30:30] <Valen> in mild steel with a working relationship he would probably be looking at like $100 for the order of 3
[21:30:44] <Valen> 1-2 weeks turn around though
[21:31:06] <minibnz> oh by the way there are places around that will happily laser cut 16mm steel... its just that it needs a 7.5kw laser...
[21:31:14] <Valen> thats my point
[21:31:14] <minibnz> 1-2 weeks wouldnt be that bad...
[21:31:42] <Valen> alternatly, if you need to mill it anyway and mild is ok, just get some blanks cut from some sheet, stick it into a mill and call it done
[21:32:33] <minibnz> on the first unit there is two locating dowels that need to be milled out once the profile is done..
[21:33:00] <minibnz> he has access to a large hand cranked mill.. but not to a CNC one..
[21:33:14] <Valen> if its big enough then CnC it
[21:33:32] <Valen> hell if we can fit them on ours we'd mill them for him
[21:33:38] <Valen> it'd fit on the new one just fine lol
[21:33:40] <minibnz> heheheh this is true.. but thats a lot of work to do on someone elses mill :)
[21:33:56] <Valen> I'll do it for money ;->
[21:35:02] <minibnz> where he works they have a large bridgeport mill.. but not CNC'd.. and his boss lets him use it but wont let him upgrade it... doesnt belive in DIY cnc :(
[21:35:15] <minibnz> his boss is a bit of a tool...
[21:35:32] <Valen> well he can buy a mill from us then ;->
[21:35:44] <minibnz> heheheh
[21:35:53] <Valen> what size are his parts?
[21:36:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/flG24n8.jpg
[21:37:00] <minibnz> the first one is a bellhousing for a alpa.. its about 450mm diameter
[21:37:59] <Valen> kinda large
[21:38:11] <Valen> wont fit onto our current mill unfortunatly
[21:38:15] <minibnz> yeah
[21:38:23] <Valen> new one is 1200x1200x600
[21:38:26] <Valen> that'll do it ;->
[21:38:47] <minibnz> thats what we found you need a large unit to work that size job.
[21:38:47] <Valen> its the toy one, the "good" one will be 600mm to a side but will weigh ~600kg
[21:38:59] <minibnz> dang...
[21:39:06] <Valen> its the not a toy one ;->
[21:39:41] <minibnz> thats some heavy metal.... my mill is a toy it weighs 45kg.. i can carry it up my stairs without assistance.. (i do break a sweat)
[21:39:50] <Valen> its composite
[21:39:57] <Valen> epoxy granite
[21:40:00] <minibnz> ahh i see....
[21:40:03] <Connor> andypugh: Not my build.. Not sure why he went with a VFD vs something else. I know he's doing everything single phase.. so that might be why.
[21:40:21] <Valen> Connor: andypugh left hours ago man ;->
[21:40:27] <Connor> Oh Well.
[21:40:51] <minibnz> r00tard3d I like the picture of the apple VR setup, that dude DIY'd :)
[22:06:45] <R2E4> Wheres the K and T cnc youtube video?
[22:17:33] <t12> so this maxnc-10 thing may be weirder stepper configuration?
[22:17:57] <t12> not step/dir but individual phases for each motors on parallel pins i think
[22:18:11] <t12> does this imply having to figure out the hal configs by hand, and not using the stepper config wizard
[22:19:06] <pcw_home> Yep --> man stepgen
[22:19:30] <t12> this thing hilariously appears to have no limit switches either
[22:20:04] <pcw_home> cool, its unlimited
[22:20:12] <Valen> limit switches are for pansies
[22:20:14] <t12> x-treme travel
[22:20:19] <Valen> we had some for like a week
[22:20:25] <Valen> then we let the smoke out of one
[22:20:26] <t12> dont limit yourself with silly switches and stops
[22:20:28] <Valen> so we stopped
[22:20:31] <t12> they're tools of the man keeping you down
[22:20:47] <Valen> we have an index set now at least, but never use it lol
[22:28:20] <t12> does the fp yes/no thing in hal
[22:28:26] <t12> imply that chunks of the code are run in kernel mode?
[22:36:06] <pcw_home> I think all real time portions run in kernel mode
[22:42:36] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jcqq031vwgopbsl/2013-02-25%2023.24.23.jpg
[23:03:56] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:04:17] <r00t4rd3d> i thought delta's were not up to your standards?
[23:07:01] <tjb1> Its not a delta
[23:07:03] <tjb1> Its awesome.
[23:11:28] <R2E4> Is the 5i25 kind of new?
[23:11:50] <R2E4> I'm mostly finding docs and schematics for the 5i20
[23:13:47] <tjb1> pcw_home:
[23:22:16] <pcw_home> The 5I25 is just a year so so old the 5I20 is ancient
[23:25:13] <R2E4> ah... thanks