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[00:00:18] <r00t4rd3d> cause they are nasty
[00:00:41] <r00t4rd3d> its like oatmeal
[00:00:49] <tjb1> lol
[00:08:04] <tjb1> First time I have ever had something use 8gb...
[00:08:20] <tjb1> Solidworks feature recognition
[00:33:56] <r00t4rd3d> i hate google doodles
[00:35:49] <Valen> heathen
[00:38:24] <toastyde1th> what is a google doodle
[00:39:30] <Valen> http://www.google.com/doodles/finder/2013/All%20doodles
[00:39:49] <toastyde1th> oh
[00:46:37] <uw> i swear some of these doodles are like "wtf is this person and why are they in a doodle?"
[00:46:56] <uw> I cant wait for the Van Halen and Slayer google doodles
[00:47:46] <t12> anyone ever dealt with small desktop furnaces for heat treating blades and the like
[00:48:02] <Valen> uw that i do have to agree with
[00:48:38] <uw> LOL are you DLR valen or Sammy valen?
[00:49:20] <Valen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Babylon_5_characters#V
[00:49:38] <uw> ooh i see
[00:49:59] <uw> i thought you were agreeing with the V halen comment
[00:50:12] <uw> and you were somehow related to V halen
[00:50:34] <Valen> nup
[00:51:02] <uw> just a garden variety Babylon 5 CNC machinist
[00:51:11] <Valen> yup
[00:51:23] <uw> which is cool
[00:51:29] <Valen> like me
[00:53:21] <uw> i must leave
[00:53:27] <uw> but i will return
[00:53:30] <uw> dont fret
[01:00:46] <r00t4rd3d> http://business.financialpost.com/2013/02/19/google-looking-for-google-fiber-engineers-in-waterloo/
[01:54:23] <mrsun_> http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/gear/gear1.html <-- hmm that "feed in distance" wtf do they mean by that? :)
[01:59:08] <cncbasher> mrsun_: it is how far to move the formtool in that is holding the 2 buttons , to give the correct profile
[01:59:30] <mrsun_> cncbasher, ye but what is the reference position ?
[01:59:41] <mrsun_> at the edge of the formtool buttons ?
[01:59:47] <cncbasher> yes
[02:00:02] <mrsun_> or from where they start to cut ?
[02:00:31] <cncbasher> ok .. from the start of cut of the blank
[02:00:43] <mrsun_> cause in the case of a no 1 cutter, the buttons are 44.8mm diameter, infeed of 3.934mm wouldnt even touch the blank :P
[02:03:52] <cncbasher> i usualy move the formtool until it just touches the blank and then measure from that point ... works fine
[02:04:38] <mrsun_> but 1 button should do the job equaly well shouldnt it ?
[02:04:44] <mrsun_> move in on one side, then the other
[02:04:57] <mrsun_> or is the cutting forces very high in the application so it bends the blank from the cutter ?
[02:07:00] <cncbasher> look for the workshop practice series book on gear cutting explains that process much more
[02:07:57] <cncbasher> yes the forces are enough to possible bend the blank if the gear is thin
[02:08:01] <mrsun_> ye ive been thinking of ordering that book also =) got some books from it and find them quite good =)
[02:10:01] <cncbasher> i found the gear cutting book , quite good at explaining why it is done a particular way and the reasons behind it
[02:10:45] <cncbasher> and of course the information and descriptions of the tools needed to make
[02:14:27] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:14:42] <Jymmm> Morning Sunshine
[02:15:03] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: btw.... YOUR LATE!
[02:17:41] <DJ9DJ> hi Jymmm
[02:17:51] <DJ9DJ> yeah, maybe... had terrible sleep
[02:17:58] <Jymmm> ah
[02:18:15] <Jymmm> Well, wake up and go to sleep then
[02:18:31] <DJ9DJ> neighbour started in the middle of the night to bring out the slurry of his pigs
[02:18:44] <DJ9DJ> driving all the time in front of my window
[02:19:18] <Jymmm> pigs? on how big a lot?
[02:19:49] <DJ9DJ> yes, farmer, has several thousands of pigs
[02:20:19] <Jymmm> and your house is right up against his property?
[02:20:47] <DJ9DJ> yep
[02:20:55] <Jymmm> strange
[02:21:18] <DJ9DJ> we also have a farm
[02:21:26] <DJ9DJ> but we do not have any animals
[02:21:31] <DJ9DJ> no stinky stinky
[02:21:48] <Jymmm> sure, but why would your house be right up next to your neighbors is what I dont get
[02:22:00] <Jymmm> how many acres do you have?
[02:22:11] <DJ9DJ> too few ;)
[02:22:47] <DJ9DJ> about 40 acres? (not sure, we use the unit hectares in germany)
[02:23:08] <DJ9DJ> we a three farmers here, living right next to each other
[02:23:17] <DJ9DJ> like three in a row ;)
[02:23:26] <Jymmm> Ok, so in all those 40 acres, you build your house right p against the pig farm fence line?
[02:24:21] <DJ9DJ> dont ask me why. the farms are at their place for >hundred years or so
[02:24:40] <Jymmm> k
[02:24:56] <DJ9DJ> in the early days, each farm was not that big like it is today
[02:25:07] <DJ9DJ> less animals, smaller buildings, less stinky stinky ;)
[02:25:32] <DJ9DJ> today, its more like factories for mass production than good old farms
[02:26:11] <Jymmm> bummer
[02:27:06] <DJ9DJ> yeah
[02:30:28] * DJ9DJ yawns
[02:44:21] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:49:51] <Jymmm> hi
[08:36:41] <jensor> Inan effort to try to update my system I downloaded Ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc3-i386.iso got a checksum match, burnt a CD but cd will not boot.
[08:37:30] <jensor> I then copied file back to desktop and did a checksum and get a match which should verify the CD copy.
[08:38:06] <jensor> Anybody have any ideas on fixing this?
[08:38:22] <cradek> how did you burn it?
[08:38:49] <cradek> if you could copy an iso file from the cd back to the desktop, you definitely burnt it incorrectly
[08:39:16] <jensor> I used Roxio
[08:39:40] <cradek> ok, I don't know what that is, but check google and/or ubuntu.com for cd burning instructions
[08:40:00] <jensor> ok, will do thanks
[08:40:02] <cradek> you want to see something like "burn from an image" instead of "put some files on the cd"
[08:40:34] <jensor> By the way will a DVD work in lieu of a CD?
[08:40:54] <cradek> I am not sure, but I think probably so
[08:45:34] <Tecan> meanwhile in #linuxcnc
[08:59:52] <JT-Shop> jensor:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Getting_EMC.html#_getting_linuxcnc
[09:00:10] <jensor> Cradek: I redid as you suggested. It is working and booting ok now
[09:02:20] <Jymmm> cradek: Somebody might want to put that "Burn an image " one-liner next to the download instructions.
[09:02:32] <Jymmm> It gets asked too often
[09:15:45] <skunkworks> who uses commandline? ;)
[09:16:08] <Jymmm> Only the cool kids
[09:17:39] * Vq lives on the commandline
[09:17:59] <skunkworks> did you see the xkcd?
[09:18:01] <skunkworks> http://xkcd.com/1168/
[09:18:19] <Vq> Graphical systems are for handling multiple terminal emulators.
[09:18:24] <skunkworks> heh
[09:18:53] <Jymmm> Vq: screen
[09:19:37] <Vq> Jymmm: I use screen(1) as well.
[09:19:56] <Vq> I also run terminals in emacs from time to time. :)
[09:20:34] <Vq> skunkworks: Thats a good one, I could be in trouble if I were using a non-standard keyboard. ;)
[09:20:49] <Vq> My fingers remember the tar flags.
[09:21:30] <Jymmm> You just double click in any terminal to untar
[09:22:39] <archivist> I still use the tar cmd line from my unix days, the linux version just copes :)
[09:22:52] <Vq> Jymmm: Why would you double click on the keyboard?
[09:23:47] <Jymmm> vg WHAT?! Why would you click on the kybd for?! You double click on the screen silly ;)
[09:24:29] <Vq> Damn touchscreens...
[09:24:44] <Jymmm> I never said anythign about touchscreens
[09:25:22] <Vq> Correct, I assumed you wanted it to cause an effect.
[09:25:45] <Jymmm> Redneck untar'ing by double clicking via pump shotgun.
[09:30:34] <Jymmm> Vq:
http://i39.tinypic.com/28vdgk9.jpg
[09:35:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop talks about taking naps all the time...
http://i44.tinypic.com/2r6mako.jpg
[09:51:40] <jensor> Is it possible to configure system so that on a G0 call the velocity on the moving axis will move at its programmed max velocity instead of being limited to the slowest axis?
[10:08:41] <L84Supper> does anyone know of a robot arm that has access to the encoders on each joint?
[10:09:22] <L84Supper> I need real time feedback for position from all the joints, not an update with coordinates every 1mS or so
[10:35:26] <rizo> hello
[10:38:21] <rizo> i have one question... encoder runs with base-period and bldc with servo period... when when bldc detects the index-enable FALSE, the encoder value may already change, so the ofset the bldc writes at that time may be wrong?
[10:45:19] <rizo> i want to init the bldc. The init is done when bldc detects the index-enable low, and at that time stores the value of raw_count of encoder. I dont know how can this work correctly if the bldc runs with slower period than encoder, because the encoder raw_count can change several times before the bldc detects the index enable pin, and so it writes the wrong offset.
[10:57:50] <pcw_home> The way index works with latch-on-index is that at the physical index mark, the encoder count is latched
[10:57:52] <pcw_home> then when the drive detects tha an index even has occurred, it offsets the position count with -latched count
[10:57:54] <pcw_home> (so it dose not matter how many encoder counts have occurred before it notices that an index has event has happened)
[10:59:44] <jr> http://pastebin.com/KQ4SPBTu is terminal session for my simple DRO which just uses python and HAL. It doesn't work on this Ubuntu 10, but does on 8. I have lapic in grub.
[11:04:43] <pcw_home> I think I misunderstood the question. Yes the index enable is just sampled at 1 KHz or so meaning there will be a
[11:04:45] <pcw_home> small offset in the commutation depending on BLDC homing speed but this is unimportant for a couple of reasons
[11:04:46] <pcw_home> 1. BLDC homing speed is slow relative to the pole spacing
[11:04:48] <pcw_home> 2. errors of a few degrees in commutation are unimportant do to the
[11:04:49] <pcw_home> ~(1-cosine(err)) magnitude of commutation errors effect on torque
[11:06:52] <jr> Can anyone give some direction on why this is happening?
[11:08:33] <pcw_home> post the boot dmesg maybe?
[11:09:04] <skunkworks> jr:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#emc2_doesn_t_run_missing_lapic
[11:10:18] <pcw_home> yeah maybe your grub update didn't take
[11:10:18] <skunkworks> oh - sorry - didn't read back
[11:10:26] <skunkworks> Are you sure the grub took it?
[11:10:27] <skunkworks> heh
[11:10:39] <rizo> pcw_home, i saw the encoder has the count-latched OUT, but there is no count-latched IN at bldc component. How is the data transfered then?
[11:11:08] <pcw_home> its not (but like i said its unimportant)
[11:13:51] <rizo> still dont understand, it is important for the bldc...the only data the bldc gets it the raw count
[11:14:19] <pcw_home> even a 2 degree error will cause only a loss of .06% torque so is unimportant
[11:14:33] <rizo> :)
[11:15:12] <pcw_home> Heck, hall commutated drives get by with 30 degree errors
[11:15:17] <rizo> bau i can run the bldc bith base period...than no info is lost
[11:15:28] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Hey now, that 0.06% torque loss could move a matchstick, such a waste!
[11:15:35] <rizo> can i run the bldc with base period...than no info is lost
[11:15:46] <skunkworks> rizo: your worrying too much
[11:16:04] <rizo> my encoder detects 0.5 um
[11:16:11] <pcw_home> or worrying about the wrong things
[11:16:15] <rizo> every cont is important
[11:16:18] <skunkworks> heh
[11:16:22] <pcw_home> not to commutation
[11:16:45] <rizo> ok
[11:16:48] <skunkworks> once the system is tuned - you don't have to worry about any inconsistancies.
[11:17:04] <rizo> is there something wrong if i run bldc with base period?
[11:17:23] <skunkworks> as peter said - hall comutated servos get by with 30deg errors and once the system is tuned - you don't know it.
[11:17:44] <rizo> i dont have hall sensors
[11:18:03] <skunkworks> no - you have it better using encoders
[11:18:05] <pcw_home> maybe a problem if your I/O is not fast enough
[11:18:29] <rizo> i am using fpga
[11:18:34] <skunkworks> heh - I need to read back more.. I don't know what the original problem is ;)
[11:18:39] <pcw_home> Is this a linear motor?
[11:18:42] <rizo> yes
[11:19:08] <pcw_home> so if you are using a FPGA, you dont want a base thread anyway
[11:19:29] <pcw_home> (it will just add jitter to your servo thread)
[11:20:33] <rizo> what is the usual servo thread frequency?
[11:20:56] <rizo> i am runny base thread at 2500 Hz
[11:22:07] <pcw_home> If you have a FPGA you probably only want one thread (servo thread)
[11:22:53] <rizo> I will do that. What should be the frequency?
[11:23:11] <rizo> Approximately?
[11:23:14] <pcw_home> additional thread will cause more jitter in the servo thread (which can run at 1 KHz to maybe 10 KHz depending on CPU and I/O hardware)
[11:24:05] <pcw_home> for a linear motor in torque mode I would run it as fast as you can, this rules out Atom MBs)
[11:24:25] <pcw_home> say 5-10 KHz
[11:24:28] <rizo> i have atom
[11:24:36] <pcw_home> :-(
[11:24:43] <rizo> is 2.5 kHz to slow
[11:24:49] <rizo> is 2.5 kHz too slow
[11:25:31] <pcw_home> depends on the mechanical bandwidth of your motor and the required performance
[11:26:01] <pcw_home> you will find out when you tune :-)
[11:27:41] <rizo> OK, will see, thank you
[11:28:32] <rizo> so the PID should feed the bldc.feed-angle
[11:28:33] <rizo> ?
[11:29:01] <pcw_home> fmech = {1\over 2 \pi} \sqrt {k\over m}
[11:29:01] <pcw_home> you want a sampling period 10 to 25 times this
[11:29:56] <rizo> and what is k?
[11:30:14] <skunkworks> question - if you do this on a lathe G02X3.8Z-4.0R4.0 but don't have g18 set - what would it do? would it actually run - but create a strait line in the x,y plane?
[11:30:29] <pcw_home> spring constant
[11:30:33] <skunkworks> *x and z plane
[11:30:47] <rizo> but i have no spring
[11:31:09] <rizo> is this magnetic spring?
[11:31:18] <jr> pcw_home: I'd have to reboot to get the boot DMESG. Didn't look at it before I cleared it.
[11:31:21] <pcw_home> you have a torque drive with torque proportional to error which is the same
[11:31:47] <jr> skunkworks: I did check, and lapic is in grub.
[11:32:27] <pcw_home> pid out feeds bldc.N.value
[11:34:24] <rizo> why...this control the current through the motor
[11:34:45] <rizo> not the angle
[11:34:49] <pcw_home> bldc example:
[11:34:51] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/hm2-servogreen.hal
[11:35:23] <pcw_home> BLDC control the angle itself (from raw encoder counts in this case)
[11:35:46] <pcw_home> controls
[11:38:27] <rizo> ok, so is the motor shut down (no current) when there is no offset?
[11:39:01] <pcw_home> Yes, Thats the PIDs job
[11:39:36] <rizo> But why, in my case i want the motor to stand still, with full current
[11:40:01] <pcw_home> full current=full torque
[11:40:11] <rizo> isnt that how it suppose to be with linear motor
[11:40:28] <pcw_home> or full force in a linear motor case
[11:40:34] <pcw_home> No
[11:40:56] <pcw_home> Thats is how a step motor works
[11:41:01] <rizo> yes current = torque (but there is no torque if there is no offset of motor regarding to magnet)
[11:42:51] <pcw_home> so ~0 current if in position
[11:43:52] <jr> http://pastebin.com/E7B3hHb5 is boot log from DMESG. I do see lapic there, once.
[11:45:29] <pcw_home> [ 0.000000] No local APIC present or hardware disabled
[11:45:31] <pcw_home> [ 0.000000] APIC: disable apic facility
[11:45:32] <pcw_home> looks bad
[11:47:44] <rizo> pcw_home, thank you for your help! Will try that, and report :)
[11:47:48] <pcw_home> Is there a BIOS setting for the LAPIC? If not the MB may be too old to run 10.04
[11:50:34] <jr> I'll research it.
[11:51:10] <pcw_home> rizo: good luck, bldc stuff is "interesting" :-)
[11:51:59] <pcw_home> bbl found sheet rock screw in a tire
[11:52:12] <pcw_home> :-(
[12:06:31] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:09:53] <jensor> I haven't gotten a response since this AM so I'll try again. Is it possible to configure system so that on a G0 call the velocity on the moving axis will move at its programmed max velocity instead of being limited to the slowest axis?
[12:10:54] <IchGuckLive> yes
[12:11:05] <IchGuckLive> the interpreter of 2.51 does this
[12:11:13] <IchGuckLive> 2.5.1
[12:11:31] <jensor> How do I determine which I am using?
[12:12:04] <IchGuckLive> start a terminal and type linuxcnc -version
[12:12:36] <IchGuckLive> -v does it also
[12:12:55] <IchGuckLive> shoudt give you -> LINUXCNC - 2.6.0-pre0-3688-g75ddaf4
[12:13:56] <IchGuckLive> im on a old System :D O.O B) i know it
[12:15:01] <IchGuckLive> jensor: did you update to 10.04
[12:16:21] <jensor> yes
[12:16:21] <jensor> I have axis 2.5.0
[12:16:21] <IchGuckLive> so why not the buildbot
[12:16:21] <jensor> Just downloaded and am looking at it and not familiar with the term buildbot
[12:16:52] <IchGuckLive> hit my nick please
[12:17:23] <jensor> I don't understand your request.
[12:17:30] <jensor> what is nick
[12:17:41] <IchGuckLive> my name in the names frame
[12:17:49] <jensor> ok
[12:18:26] <jensor> i get drop down who is, and query
[12:18:35] <IchGuckLive> query
[12:22:01] <Loetmichel> amsg re @ home
[12:30:23] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: snow hight increses at 1cm per hour here
[12:31:11] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive; here not one flake
[12:31:18] <IchGuckLive> B)
[13:00:57] <L84Supper> 10cm fell here last night
[13:01:51] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: go shuffel ;-)
[13:02:13] <L84Supper> we have plows and snow blowers here for that :)
[13:02:56] <L84Supper> does anyone know of a robot arm that has access to the encoders on each joint? I need real time feedback for position from all the joints, not an update with coordinates every 1mS or so
[13:02:58] <IchGuckLive> yeah the US uses power not mand
[13:04:14] <AR_> L84Supper, build one
[13:04:40] <L84Supper> AR_: in a few weeks?
[13:05:13] <AR_> yeah
[13:05:24] <IchGuckLive> no snow in a vew weeks
[13:05:27] <L84Supper> not enough time
[13:07:42] <L84Supper> http://www.staubli.com/en/robotics/6-axis-scara-industrial-robot/low-payload-6-axis-scara-robot/6-axis-industrial-robot-tx60/
[13:10:07] <pcw_home> Probably quite a few robot arms use encoders, older one may use resolvers, newer high quality ones ones may use absolute patterned scale type encoders
[13:11:21] <L84Supper> staubli also uses fiber in the robot to make it more difficult to access the encoders
[13:11:39] <pcw_home> can't you use a 1 ms position update and interpolate in between?
[13:11:55] <L84Supper> we always have to modify the arms, still looking for something that might be easier
[13:12:46] <L84Supper> nope, need real time for sync, you can interpolate the positions between the position updates but it's not as accurate
[13:12:56] <pcw_home> If they are not geared up you need ~million count encoders
[13:13:33] <AR_> very simple
[13:13:56] <AR_> why do you need 1ms
[13:14:02] <AR_> how fucking fast are you going to move it
[13:14:08] <AR_> less than 1ms*
[13:14:15] <L84Supper> think about a cnc mill with 1 ms updates for position while machining while trying to sync another machine or axis with a second tool
[13:14:41] <AR_> i think you are making it too complicated
[13:15:00] <AR_> you're not going to have the robot hold the part while being machined, are you?
[13:15:02] <jr> Does Ubuntu 8.04 require LAPIC?
[13:15:10] <pcw_home> No
[13:15:37] <L84Supper> yes, but it's not being machined, it's being built (3d printed)
[13:15:56] <AR_> oh
[13:15:58] <AR_> hrm
[13:16:08] <jr> pcw: I assume you're answering to the LAPIC question?
[13:16:10] <pcw_home> I suspect interpolation will be better than you think
[13:16:15] <L84Supper> moving parts and moving deposition heads
[13:16:29] <AR_> why not just add other axis to your machine
[13:16:34] <AR_> it's basically the same thing
[13:16:35] <pcw_home> Yes, 8.04 LinuxCNC no lapic needed
[13:16:41] <jensor_> I need to access this AM;s discussion . how do I access history here
[13:16:45] <L84Supper> already been doing this, I'm just asking about arms :)
[13:16:47] <jr> Thanks.
[13:17:23] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrgTtZXuj4w
[13:17:29] <pcw_home> And if 1 ms is not good enough. 1/2 ms will be 4 times better
[13:18:15] <AR_> well anyway
[13:18:23] <AR_> you cannot get continuous information
[13:18:28] <AR_> that's kindof impossible
[13:18:30] <pcw_home> and 4 KHz is 16 times better
[13:18:33] <L84Supper> the faster heads can move over 1 meter/sec
[13:18:56] <pcw_home> speed does not matter
[13:19:19] <L84Supper> if you can get the robot to update at 0.25ms thats great, but what if their controller tops out at 1ms
[13:19:43] <pcw_home> Dont use their controller, use LinuxCNC
[13:20:09] <pcw_home> I can run stuff at 8 KHz with a good MB
[13:20:36] <L84Supper> heh, now you're into trying to mod their electronics or just replacing it
[13:21:02] <L84Supper> lots of ways to skin this cat
[13:21:39] <jensor_> how do I access earlier discussion
[13:21:50] <AR_> scroll up
[13:22:11] <pcw_home> Bare robot with drives and sensors
[13:22:13] <pcw_home> jensor:
http://psha.org.ru/irc/
[13:23:03] <pcw_home> must be some Chinese naked robot company (better not search for that)
[13:23:27] <L84Supper> lol
[13:23:55] <AR_> i'd be interested in a naked robot
[13:24:51] <L84Supper> something in female form that's affordable might change the future of civilization :)
[13:25:07] <jensor_> That link s most recent log is 2/14/2013
[13:26:35] <jensor_> I,m interested in this am and can only scroll up to where I most recently signed in
[13:27:02] <L84Supper> the results from "used naked robot arms" wasn't as scary as expected
[13:27:43] <pcw_home> jensor this is from the log:
[13:27:45] <pcw_home> [19:12:07] <jensor_> That link s most recent log is 2/14/2013
[13:27:46] <pcw_home> [19:13:35] <jensor_> I,m interested in this am and can only scroll up to where I most recently signed in
[13:34:15] <archivist> jensor,
http://emclog.archivist.info/
[13:34:36] <cradek> how many logs do we have anyway?
[13:35:48] <skunkworks> atleast 3
[13:36:20] <pcw_home> doesnt mhaberler run one too?
[13:36:28] <archivist> sufficient :)
[13:37:28] <skunkworks> I didn't know about archivists
[13:37:29] <archivist> each breaks for odd periods so another has the gaps
[13:38:12] <archivist> my previous data needs fixing (dragging out the database)
[13:39:57] <cradek> we used to worry about one on dreamhost with linuxcnc.org, but why bother now?
[13:40:04] <cradek> i.e. thanks!
[13:42:57] <jensor> Trying to install 10.04 LTS. Procedure hangs at "Prepare partitions" screen
[13:44:22] <jensor> Ran ok from live cd
[13:45:18] <jensor> Nothing appears in partition table
[13:45:44] <jensor> Is there any way ot testing hard drive?
[13:50:20] <JesusAlos> hi
[13:53:05] <Icekiller> guys .. i'm wondering about something right now i got m12 rod .. and i want to upgrade to tr12x3
[13:53:27] <Icekiller> how much mm does a tr12x3 move per rotation?
[14:11:14] <cncbasher> Icekiller: 3mm
[14:11:59] <Icekiller> so right now i have a m12 rod its 1,75mm if i just change the rod with 3mm the same 1 turn will now move it 3mm instead of 1,75mm which would mean its lets accurate?
[14:14:08] <archivist> do not confuse precision with accuracy
[14:15:57] <Icekiller> what i mean is
[14:16:20] <Icekiller> my motor does 1 turn.. 1 turn @ m12 = 1,75mm, tr12x3 @1turn = 3mm
[14:16:51] <Icekiller> a motor can do 1/4 turns so m12 can do 0.4375mm and a tr12x3 would be 0,75mm
[14:18:38] <L84Supper> it's funny, somebody mentions Linuxcnc to control something, them Mach3 comes up them people are off to write their own code for control
[14:18:48] <L84Supper> them/then
[14:18:51] <archivist> change the gearing motor to shaft
[14:18:58] <Icekiller> aha
[14:19:03] <Icekiller> thats what i don't _want_
[14:19:12] <L84Supper> I don't understand why people shy away from linuxcnc so often
[14:19:21] <Icekiller> L84Supper diffucility & maintenance
[14:19:27] <archivist> frightened
[14:19:30] <Icekiller> most people know how to reinstall windows & mach3
[14:19:43] <Icekiller> yet linux is something they heard of in the 90's that was difficult and hard..
[14:19:48] <archivist> scared of teh linux
[14:19:57] <Icekiller> it also doesn't help that most users first attempt of linux is at an old pc with slow parts..
[14:20:01] <L84Supper> I can understand the jump to Windoze, but why start to write your own application?
[14:20:08] <cncbasher> more people know how to install windows more than mach3
[14:20:25] <Icekiller> mach3 they just backup the xml ..
[14:21:06] <archivist> jt was making a xml to linuxcnc converter
[14:21:46] <L84Supper> somebody asked about controlling galvos with Linuxcnc for a printer, hours later somebody thinks they can write something better
[14:22:13] <archivist> dreams...people have them
[14:22:33] <L84Supper> heh, young and lots of time to dream
[14:23:31] <archivist> all those started projects, what percentage get finished
[14:23:32] <Icekiller> well
[14:23:44] <Icekiller> i'll probably go for gbrl with emc2 ;)
[14:24:30] <L84Supper> archivist: they tend to be FAB, free and broken
[14:32:09] <r00t4rd3d> would running linuxcnc off a usb drive fuck up my latency?
[14:34:08] <Icekiller> r00t4rd3d depends
[14:34:20] <Icekiller> if you don't use the swap @ usb stick but 100% at memory it should be ok
[14:34:29] <Icekiller> fyi i'm still surprised i've seen 0 rapsberry pi's :P
[14:34:40] <r00t4rd3d> no swap
[14:34:45] <Icekiller> and the stuff saying but its to sloww is bullcrap a old dos machine 386 can run a cnc machine.
[14:37:19] <Jymmm> People are awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV7bUMFLwac
[14:41:05] <cradek> L84Supper: NIH syndrome
[14:41:22] <L84Supper> cradek: yeah that's a big one
[14:42:41] <cradek> also there's currently a huge fetish market for low powered embedded stuff, which won't run linuxcnc, or will only run it shittily after much effort
[14:43:50] <L84Supper> that needs a separate PC as UI, since the board is only powerfulish enough to run the CNC
[14:43:54] <cradek> there's also a fetish market for tablets for some reason, look for more time and effort spent trying to use them with linuxcnc somehow, upcoming
[14:44:45] <cradek> L84Supper: yes, and now you've got two problems, haha
[14:44:52] <L84Supper> before the tablet craze i expected to be able to use them for machine controllers, but they never included the PCIe or GPIO
[14:44:53] <r00t4rd3d> i wish i could use my nexus 7 to run my cnc
[14:45:49] <r00t4rd3d> it can already run ubuntu
[14:46:01] <cradek> for years we've wished for enough cpu power to do things, now that it's here and cheap/free we want something else shiny, so meh
[14:46:37] <L84Supper> my thoughts were only for a low cost device with a touchscreen display that could do it all
[14:46:54] <L84Supper> and tablets never routed the GPIO
[14:47:02] <cradek> sure that'd be nice, but you get inadequate cpu and I/O with it, mostly because it's made for battery operation
[14:47:12] <PCW> Plug a cable in the SD card slot?
[14:47:46] <PCW> Realtime and high enough bandwidth
[14:47:47] <L84Supper> and even though AMD sells some APU's for about the same price as a Tegra soc, the tablets sell for hundreds more than arm
[14:48:28] <L84Supper> PCW: have you found any with SDIO fast enough?
[14:48:43] <PCW> SDIO is plenty fast enough
[14:49:21] <PCW> (as long as the driver owns the hardware and its not shared with on card stuff)
[14:49:31] <L84Supper> I thought there were driver issues
[14:49:44] <L84Supper> latency was slow
[14:49:54] <L84Supper> several milliseconds
[14:49:55] <Icekiller> r00t4rd3d
[14:50:02] <Icekiller> i've actually made an app for mach3 to control it @ android
[14:50:03] <Icekiller> :P
[14:50:13] <Icekiller> basicly just send keyboard shortcuts xD
[14:50:21] <PCW> you would need a special driver and exclusive access
[14:51:17] <PCW> A10 SPI is capable of 100 MHz!
[14:52:15] <L84Supper> PCW: they got 4MHz GPIO toggle speeds on the A13
[14:52:31] <L84Supper> a13 is a10 minus a few sections
[14:52:45] <PCW> so SPI is a better bet probably
[14:54:16] <L84Supper> now that a10 boards are actually shipping I can try one, I do have an a10 netbook but it's really awful
[14:55:00] <PCW> I keep trying to get a cubieboard but the last batch sold out in one day
[14:55:24] <PCW> (Yesterday)
[14:55:28] <L84Supper> they have a channel here #cubieboard
[14:55:58] <L84Supper> also #olimex has an a13 board with an a10 board in the works
[14:56:05] <PCW> no Xenomai yet but being worked on
[14:56:30] <L84Supper> https://www.olimex.com/Products/
[14:57:04] <L84Supper> but like cradek always mentions, why bother if the price is so close?
[14:57:43] <L84Supper> but a tablet for ~$100 with IO for controlling things, that has lots of uses
[14:57:49] <PCW> You need to save power for your KW servos
[14:58:05] <L84Supper> heh, not for CNC
[14:58:05] <Jymmm> s/K/M/
[14:58:38] <r00t4rd3d> you could probably use an arduino and grbl shield with a tablet
[14:59:36] <PCW> I'm not so much interested in running all of LinucCNC on a little machine but in running mhaberlers remote realtime portion
[14:59:40] <L84Supper> http://sd.hypertron.com/sd_extender_card/ http://www.jinvanisystech.com/sd_extender.html
[15:00:14] <r00t4rd3d> pcw where is that project located?
[15:00:14] <L84Supper> we have applications for process control that come up all the time
[15:00:58] <PCW> mhaberlers head?
[15:01:02] <L84Supper> or smaller machines that are cost sensitive
[15:01:09] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[15:01:27] <L84Supper> it would be nice to have a standard little control with touchscreen to use
[15:01:41] <L84Supper> does his head have a wiki?
[15:02:08] <PCW> (will thunderbolt ever make it to pads?)
[15:02:32] <L84Supper> I heard that the Pi and the beagleboard both work
[15:02:34] <jensor> trying to update to linuxcnc.org lucid base linuxcnc2.5 and it requests APT line. What do I enter there?
[15:02:43] <PCW> I notice some NUCs have Thunderbolt
[15:03:52] <L84Supper> we were just talking about a lapdock for the arm dongles
[15:04:15] <L84Supper> no GPIO though using the dongles
[15:04:19] <L84Supper> USB and HDMI only
[15:05:12] <PCW> well if you can run "machinkit" on a Raspi that does not add much to your cost
[15:05:37] <PCW> (with USB or Ethernet interface)
[15:10:58] <L84Supper> the other problem with tablets, even with Samsung that always used u-boot and published open docs ....
[15:11:27] <L84Supper> they closed and locked down the bootloaders and even Samsung closed the docs for any soc that was useful
[15:15:34] <r00t4rd3d> running off usb doesnt seem to have any effect on my machine :)
[15:16:35] <fragalot> the smoothieboard looks interesting
[15:16:48] <fragalot> normally meant for reprap but I don't see why it couldn't be used for cnc instead
[15:27:46] <Icekiller> fragalot
[15:27:49] <Icekiller> power for motors.
[15:28:41] <jensor> I am following the guide for installing 10.04LTS and am trying to get the latest software. The instructions say go to Administration-> Software Sources.I select the entry that says
http://linuxcnc.org lucid base linuxcnc2.5. I then hit "Add" button. It then requests Enter complete APT line of repository that you wan to add as a source. Example given 'deb
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid main". Is that what I should enter? The
[15:30:47] <Icekiller> http://www.wantmotor.com/ProductsView.asp?id=160&pid=80 i got those motors.. what kind of power & amp should i use realisticly?
[15:43:17] <fragalot> Icekiller: i meant for IO, not for actual driving of servos/steppers
[15:44:51] <Icekiller> fragalot
[15:44:57] <Icekiller> than just use an arduino..
[15:45:16] <Icekiller> fragalot got facebook..? theres a computer numerical group where i post a lot of stuff
[15:45:16] <fragalot> smoothieboard is a lil' faster (well, a lot)
[15:45:24] <Icekiller> and a lot more expensive..
[15:45:24] <fragalot> Icekiller: I do, but I don't like using it
[15:45:31] <Icekiller> well use it
[15:45:35] <Icekiller> and check it out :P
[15:45:44] <fragalot> :P
[15:45:58] <Icekiller> it uses a stm32 if i'm not mistaekn (the smoothieboard)
[15:46:04] <fragalot> it does
[15:46:42] <Icekiller> like i said
[15:46:54] <Icekiller> if it was just aBOB i wouldn't mind it but it has build in stepper motors..
[15:47:02] <Icekiller> a4982 i think
[15:47:24] <Icekiller> max output of 6 amps 24v (i believe)
[15:47:44] <fragalot> i'd be surprised if it did 6A on the steppers
[15:51:27] <AR_> alright
[15:51:36] <AR_> what should i make on my machine
[15:51:57] <AR_> so far i milled out a circle with radius .100
[15:52:27] <AR_> getting bored
[15:58:31] <L84Supper> http://smoothieware.org/smoothieboard
[15:59:35] <L84Supper> http://www.nxp.com/products/mosfets/standard_mosfets/BSP100.html#quickreference the mosfets on the smoothie
[16:02:49] <L84Supper> the rerap community tends to attract users and devs that don't value their time or anyone others time, and everything should cost 2 cents
[16:04:15] <Icekiller> AR_ roadrunner
[16:05:24] <AR_> a pic of a roadrunner
[16:13:10] <Icekiller> yup :P
[16:26:54] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:27:11] <L84Supper> http://elm-chan.org/works/vlp/report_e.html heh, this make far more sense than using silly Linuxcnc
[16:31:45] <L84Supper> I haven't noticed any laser projectors that use more than 3 laser (RGB) for color display
[17:18:48] <jdh> mine has a black laser
[17:42:16] <Jymmm> jdh: O_o
[17:49:35] <Jymmm> I have some SS Tool wrap than I can easily cut with scissors. Is there some practical way to "dull" the cut edges so it's not razor sharp by chance?
[18:03:38] <r00t4rd3d> run it along your tongue
[18:09:00] <r00t4rd3d> bla, 1 more hour long cut to go
[18:09:18] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: you first... LICK IT!
[18:09:25] <r00t4rd3d> 32°F
[18:55:00] <Icekiller> question guys
http://www.wantmotor.com/ProductsView.asp?id=160&pid=80 57BYGH115-003
[18:55:09] <Icekiller> what kind of amp & voltage can i use on that?
[18:59:41] <Valen> read it from the table
[19:28:48] <Tom_itx> what section of hal would i find the 'cycle start' signal?
[19:28:49] <Tom_itx> err the hal config
[19:32:18] <Tom_itx> i think it's time to wire that button on my MPG
[19:37:40] <Jymmm> Multi-Player Game
[19:38:42] <Jymmm> ?
[19:39:32] <Tom_itx> manual pulse generator
[19:39:46] <Jymmm> ah
[19:42:22] <Tom_itx> i need the signal the 'run' button is wired to in axis
[19:42:46] <jdh> isn't it cycle-start or something like that?
[19:43:03] <Tom_itx> i haven't found it yet in hal config
[19:43:17] <jdh> it isn't there until you add it
[19:44:24] <Tom_itx> shouldn't it be listed there from axis?
[19:45:25] <jdh> halui.program.run perhaps
[19:45:44] <jdh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halui_examples.html
[19:55:15] <Tom_itx> thanks
[19:55:23] <Tom_itx> i'll work on that after bit
[19:55:29] <Tom_itx> finishing a couple parts first
[20:00:43] <jdh> you could make me a probe.
[20:01:20] <skunkworks> this guy seems to be using rtnet on rtai
[20:01:22] <skunkworks> http://code.google.com/p/rt-8p8c/
[20:03:25] <Tom_itx> jdh, where did you find that link? i can't seem to find it on the doc menu
[20:04:58] <jdh> google
[20:14:39] <JesusAlos> I attempt stop spindle when push pause button in axis
[20:14:52] <JesusAlos> but can't when automode
[20:15:17] <Tom_itx> not a good idea anyway
[20:15:35] <Tom_itx> but i think you can
[20:16:20] <JesusAlos> I use spindle output to hot wire foam
[20:16:29] <JesusAlos> 2 axis machine
[20:16:36] <JesusAlos> I must stop
[20:17:25] <JesusAlos> I use : halui.spindle.start and halui.spindle.stop
[20:17:27] <Tom_itx> i can't remember if mine will allow that or not in auto mode
[20:17:48] <JesusAlos> but if machine is in automode do error
[20:21:03] <skunkworks> halui.program.is-paused (bit, out) - status pin telling that a program is paused
[20:21:10] <skunkworks> can you use that?
[20:21:58] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/my_jog.hal
[20:22:15] <Tom_itx> there's my spindle control
[20:22:15] <Tom_itx> for my mpg
[20:24:28] <JesusAlos> you say like ? if halui.program.is-paused=1 halui.spindle.stop=1
[20:24:55] <skunkworks> that would be my thought... But I am just throwing things ut
[20:25:03] <skunkworks> out
[20:25:35] <Tom_sbc> net spindle-request toggle.1.in <= hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.013.in_not
[20:25:39] <Tom_sbc> net spindle-toggle toggle2nist.1.in <= and2.4.out
[20:25:50] <Tom_sbc> net spindle-is-on toggle2nist.1.is-on <= halui.spindle.is-on
[20:25:50] <Tom_sbc> net spindle-start halui.spindle.start <= toggle2nist.1.on
[20:25:50] <Tom_sbc> net spindle-stop halui.spindle.stop <= toggle2nist.1.off
[20:26:58] <Tom_itx> you should add something in there for program paused too though
[20:29:55] <JesusAlos> the idea is pause spindle when push pause buton of axis, and turn on when quit pause
[20:30:27] <JesusAlos> the problem is the spndle is force on always
[20:31:10] <JesusAlos> for the gcode instruction or button on spindle, I think,
[20:31:58] <JesusAlos> and If I forde off with hal pin, is antagonistic function
[20:31:58] <JesusAlos> and do error
[20:36:04] <Tom_itx> what about writing a subroutine and calling it with a python component?
[20:36:11] <Tom_itx> i have a 'home' button like that
[20:41:59] <JesusAlos> I think that is the same case
[20:42:36] <JesusAlos> in one part of linuxcnc put spindle ON. In other part, put OFF
[20:43:03] <JesusAlos> is antagonistic function
[21:35:22] <JesusAlos> GN
[21:46:43] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/V1ojcjt.jpg
[21:48:08] <jdh> are you prepping?
[21:48:19] <Tecan> for z day ?
[21:48:21] <Tecan> naw
[21:48:28] <Tecan> just getting ready to retire someday
[21:55:11] <jdh> I've been at a vendor site all week for integration testing... they have a huge Haas Mill thing. Bed is like 3'x6' or bigger. Looks nifty cutting.
[22:09:51] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251231208108?
[22:15:08] <r00t4rd3d> my tractor turned out sweet
[22:16:12] <r00t4rd3d> iam staining this atm
http://i.imgur.com/3vokrVL.jpg
[22:19:05] <r00t4rd3d> somehow the real thing looks better then the preview
[22:25:06] <tjtr33> skunkworks: that rt-8p8c project... the card seems to have a cnxr with pairs of XYZA step & dir, and a ? spindle output PWM and PWMD(ir?)
[22:25:07] <tjtr33> have you looked into the code? does it preclude servos?
[22:29:06] <r00t4rd3d> Find Waldo
http://i.imgur.com/ysbM64o.jpg
[22:32:01] <ReadError> you put it back together r00t4rd3d ?
[22:32:04] <sparr> I am using GRBL to run a desktop CNC mill. After running this gcode file all future moves I send to the controller result in it moving approx 10x as far as it should. What would cause that?
http://www.shapeoko.com/wiki/images/7/77/Hello_World_ShapeOko.txt
[22:33:31] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[22:33:56] <ReadError> did you add your upgrades?
[22:34:10] <r00t4rd3d> just the extended carriages
[22:34:21] <r00t4rd3d> i need to cut the pieces for my new z axis
[22:36:13] <jdh> sparr: you do inches?
[22:36:42] <r00t4rd3d> or the other way around
[22:37:20] <sparr> jdh: pretty sure you nailed it, now I see that file switches from mm to inches, and it might be moving 25.4x as far as it should. thanks!
[22:38:38] <r00t4rd3d> sparr, what you get for speed out of that?
[22:38:45] <r00t4rd3d> like inch per minute
[22:38:55] <sparr> hmm?
[22:38:56] <sparr> feed rate?
[22:39:01] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[22:42:00] <r00t4rd3d> i know they can only take 1 line of gcode at a time
[22:42:57] <sparr> not sure what my max is
[22:43:03] <sparr> let me see if I can reach it
[22:43:30] <r00t4rd3d> what where you getting?
[22:43:56] <AR_> shapeoko is belt drive, should be pretty fast
[22:44:08] <sparr> the firmware defaulted to 1100mm/min
[22:44:26] <AR_> eh, could do faster than that
[22:44:26] <sparr> so 43"/min
[22:44:32] <sparr> can surely do much faster
[22:47:13] <sparr> 270"/min seems to work fine
[22:47:55] <sparr> and that's faster than I expect I'll ever want to go with an actual tool in use
[22:48:00] <sparr> even just a plotter
[22:48:53] <sparr> the working area is only about 36"x12" currently, soon to be 36x36
[22:49:38] <r00t4rd3d> same as mine
[22:50:34] <r00t4rd3d> i cant believe even the grbl shield is better then the tb6560
[22:50:42] <AR_> hrm.. and to think I spent about $900 building a machine with a 7x7" work area..
[22:51:04] <AR_> really more like 6x6
[22:51:24] <r00t4rd3d> i spent about 8 originally
[22:51:48] <AR_> i have to sell some of the parts i didnt use
[22:51:58] <r00t4rd3d> you have more of a mill
[22:52:03] <AR_> yeah
[22:52:44] <r00t4rd3d> i have a redneck router
http://i.imgur.com/rci2py7.jpg
[22:53:13] <AR_> you spent 800 on that?
[22:53:45] <sparr> for electronics I went with the printrboard
[22:53:50] <AR_> nice electronics enclosure
[22:53:55] <sparr> this isn't done yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJulcba1WAc
[22:54:19] <sparr> i think my total cost so far is around $500
[22:54:28] <sparr> another $80 in material coming to make it wider
[22:54:51] <r00t4rd3d> AR_, that pic was after a couple hundred in upgrades
[22:55:08] <Tom_itx> ok remote start works now
[22:55:52] <r00t4rd3d> when i first built my router it was all mdf
[22:55:52] <AR_> r00t4rd3d, see, this is where i fell into the trap
[22:56:19] <AR_> looking at all the DIY machines, I figured, 'man, i could easily build those for so much cheaper'
[22:56:27] <AR_> but then... yeah...
[22:56:29] <Tom_itx> thanks jdh
[22:56:34] <AR_> i found out i was wrong
[22:57:10] <r00t4rd3d> older pic
http://i.imgur.com/09zWK01.jpg
[22:57:15] <jdh> ?
[22:57:32] <Tom_itx> i got the program run working
[22:57:32] <Tom_itx> thanks
[22:57:38] <jdh> cool
[22:57:40] <Tom_itx> i had to invert the pin but...
[22:57:42] <AR_> lol
[22:57:45] <jdh> r00t: ditch the habit
[22:57:57] <AR_> r00t4rd3d, on my controller board that's the same as yours
[22:58:04] <AR_> when i went to wire up my limit switches
[22:58:09] <jdh> TB on a board?
[22:58:14] <AR_> i found that two of the input pins didnt work!
[22:58:27] <AR_> turns out two of those optocoupler chips were bad
[22:58:38] <AR_> i wonder how many of the other ones are that i havent ever used
[22:58:51] <Tom_itx> jdh, the behavior wasn't what i expected though
[22:59:02] <Tom_itx> i figured it would start running code right away
[22:59:07] <r00t4rd3d> my tb6560 has been flawless
[22:59:11] <jdh> ifyou are automode?
[22:59:17] <r00t4rd3d> other then slow as fuck
[22:59:17] <Tom_itx> but instead it starts the program but puts it in pause mode
[22:59:35] <r00t4rd3d> I can only get it to go 18ipm
[22:59:50] <jdh> using 12v?
[22:59:56] <r00t4rd3d> 24v
[23:00:28] <r00t4rd3d> my motors are small though too kinda
[23:01:09] <AR_> my Z axis i have set the slowest at 9600 steps per inch, 20ipm
[23:01:09] <jdh> crank it up to 30
[23:01:09] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10847
[23:01:12] <jdh> if you have a spare.
[23:01:31] <jdh> that's tiny
[23:01:37] <AR_> i have my X and Y running over 30ipm with a belt reduction
[23:02:13] <tjtr33> Tom_itx: maybe the mode is stepbystep /blockbyblock instead of fullrun/automatic
[23:02:14] <AR_> like 32000 steps per inch or something
[23:02:14] <tjtr33> ( different controls call the modes different things but they all have modes )
[23:02:20] <r00t4rd3d> i need a gecko and bigger motors
[23:04:06] <AR_> i'm going to actually try milling some parts tomorrow
[23:04:09] <AR_> limit switch mounts
[23:04:21] <jdh> I need some of those
[23:05:43] <AR_> i'm going to just try island milling a block to get two posts that fit snugly in the two holes on the switch
[23:06:17] <jdh> heh, that sounds like more effort than drilling/tapping
[23:06:25] <jdh> but, if it fits, it will be cool
[23:06:25] <r00t4rd3d> more so for 6x6
[23:06:34] <AR_> http://snag.gy/MY55R.jpg
[23:07:03] <r00t4rd3d> wtf is that program?
[23:07:05] <AR_> mastercam
[23:08:08] <jdh> I could see doing that if you were pocketing the switch. Otherwise, seems excessive.
[23:08:37] <r00t4rd3d> if you would have put your motors on the other way you would have 3 more inches of travel
[23:09:10] <AR_> lol not really
[23:09:19] <AR_> i only can crash into my X motor
[23:09:41] <AR_> i could get a longer belt and mount it out further to clear it
[23:10:21] <AR_> the limiting factor was the 350mm long bearing rails
[23:10:33] <r00t4rd3d> hopefully this summer I can sell some crack and build a 4x4
[23:10:40] <AR_> yeah
[23:11:37] <r00t4rd3d> i need 350oz motors
[23:14:37] <AR_> i need 450 oz
[23:14:59] <AR_> nah actually those would just twist my machine
[23:16:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/380-oz-in-nema-23-stepper-motor-14-shaft-p-151.html
[23:18:46] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, i think it's more of a safety feature
[23:19:17] <Tom_itx> it switches to auto but asserts the pause signal
[23:19:37] <Tom_itx> then i hit my pause/resume and it starts
[23:20:38] <tjtr33> ok, but it acts differently than the button on the main gui, so i spose' the code has to be check thru to find the missing bits
[23:21:12] <tjtr33> its a great idea ( i can see even a 2 button hands safety use )
[23:21:33] <tjtr33> like on a punch press
[23:21:36] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halui_examples.html
[23:21:38] <Tom_itx> i used that
[23:22:07] <Tom_itx> my pause/resume is different
[23:22:35] <tjtr33> were you in auto before the button press?
[23:22:50] <Tom_itx> no
[23:22:50] <Tom_itx> manual
[23:23:13] <Tom_itx> i watched it in hal config
[23:24:06] <tjtr33> ok, nice write-up, dang specific to your needs ( these linuxcnc devs are great )
[23:24:58] <Tom_itx> i do need to work on my spindle routine though
[23:27:19] <Tom_itx> i can stop it while in auto mode and it messes with the pause/resume button
[23:27:19] <Tom_itx> i thought thru the logic once but i haven't acutally applied it yet
[23:28:17] <tjtr33> hah the pause & resume reminds me, we built an edm to rough the surface up on a transfer belt
[23:28:23] <tjtr33> ( metal belt with holes and edges like camera film). the die press would advance one hole,
[23:28:23] <tjtr33> a forth based uP would push buttons on an Elox EDM and cut for a time, then tell the die press to punch another hole
[23:28:56] <tjtr33> being able to fake button presses is handy
[23:52:21] <Tecan> have you guys tried openArtist linux ?
[23:52:33] <Tecan> its a nice for vm to see whats out there
[23:52:42] <Tecan> pretty slick / smooth
