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[02:02:39] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:11:28] <mrsun> when reaming, what is the maximum undersize hole you can have for a reamer?
[02:11:31] <mrsun> any recomendations ?
[02:13:51] <Jymmm> 18+
[02:14:19] <toastydeath> what does that even mean
[02:14:34] <toastydeath> like, if you have a 2mm reamer that's actually been ground wrong it could be a large amount under
[02:15:08] <toastydeath> you need to drill a test hole that is exactly representative of what you're going to be really reaming if you want to find out what the reamer will cut
[02:16:02] <toastydeath> even going from one alloy to another will change your size, reamers are not all that accurate
[02:16:16] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:25:03] <Loetmichel> sooo, turbocad 3d pro v16 installed on the private notebook... i hope the learning curve is more than steep, coming fromcoreldraw 8 ;)
[02:26:00] <mrsun> Jymmm, huh ? :P
[02:26:05] <Jymmm> 16-20
[02:26:12] <mrsun> no units nothing
[02:26:18] <mrsun> inch ? mm ? cm ?
[02:26:22] <mrsun> yards ?
[02:26:32] <mrsun> :P
[02:27:00] <Jymmm> If you can't figure it out, you are in fa greater trouble
[02:27:05] <mrsun> thousands ?
[02:27:07] <Jymmm> *far
[02:27:23] <mrsun> thing is ... atleast tell if its thousands of an inch, or hundreths of mm
[02:27:25] <mrsun> :P
[02:27:32] <mrsun> as they end up quite different :P
[02:29:14] <Jymmm> mrsun: Well, think it out. you'll figure it out
[02:44:36] <archivist> mrsun, depends on the reamers front taper and how well held (machine/hand)
[02:44:51] <mrsun> hmm ok
[02:45:12] <mrsun> finding numbers like 0.5 - 1.5% under
[02:45:54] <archivist> yes they do not cut much in one pass
[02:46:29] <mrsun> i understand that =)
[02:46:48] <mrsun> and aparently the closer the starter hole the more accurate the end dimension
[02:49:05] <mrsun> and over like 20mm i guess one uses a boring head insted =)
[03:21:45] <archivist> there are adjustable reamers, and they go above 20mm
[03:22:29] <toastydeath> there are also shell reamers
[03:22:44] <toastydeath> after you go over 25mm or so you get into shell and adjustable reamers
[03:24:11] <archivist> one thing I did win(£60) over the years is a set of 1/2" to 1" adjustable reamers :)
[03:28:08] <Jymmm> won?
[03:28:29] <archivist> got at a better price that it was worth
[03:28:36] <archivist> than
[03:28:47] <Jymmm> ah, I thought a contest =)
[04:00:29] <mrsun> archivist, ye but in a home shop one wants to keep it kinda economical :P
[04:14:05] <archivist> £60 was cheap for a set :)
[04:15:49] <archivist> or expensive if compared to
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-set-of-8-medium-adjustable-reamers-prod822728/
[09:58:49] <L84Supper> what format would you create to replace STL/AMF for 3d printers? Keeping in mind printers that can print in full color with multiple materials and consolidate different types of processes inkjet, SLA, FDM etc
[10:00:53] <archivist> nice machine level but seller could well be mistaken on the zeros fleabay 181083121964 I have one
[10:01:25] <JT-Shop> archivist makes me look
[10:02:02] <archivist> he claims .00005 in 10" mine is .0005 in 10"
[10:02:21] <JT-Shop> dang that is sensitive
[10:02:39] <archivist> or he is mistaken
[10:02:58] <archivist> I asked a question a few seconds ago
[10:03:19] <JT-Shop> mine is 0.0005"/10" as well
[10:03:23] <archivist> mine sees people walk by
[10:03:56] <archivist> even at .0005 its cheap
[10:04:36] <JT-Shop> mine doen't even have a makers mark on it lol
[10:04:52] <L84Supper> what laws of physics does he grease with the components in that level?
[10:06:59] <L84Supper> if the surface tension between the fluid, bubble and window are low enough theoretically you could measure the strain on the bubble down to the molecule minus the random movement
[10:09:25] <L84Supper> 0.00005 inches = 1.27 micron
[10:10:29] <archivist> I wonder if the enclosed nature of the bubbles and the vapour pressure inside affects the wetting of the glass
[10:11:33] <archivist> I do think the seller got it wrong
[10:12:05] <archivist> but I would hate to miss out if he is right :)
[10:13:06] <L84Supper> isn't it worth 25 even if it is 10x worse tha sated?
[10:13:20] <L84Supper> sorry, than stated
[10:13:51] <archivist> sure is, usually the start price is 75 to 150 for these at .0005
[10:17:01] <archivist> here is the smaller brother of that but got at 290864895862
[10:17:39] <archivist> way over price as modified
[10:19:18] <L84Supper> "BELIEVED TO BE IN WORKING CONDITION"
[10:19:38] <archivist> hmm I have a box square/level by cooke and that has a .00025 in 10" bubble :)
[10:20:47] <archivist> levels are so easy to test that that description is rather odd
[11:15:26] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[11:16:19] <JT-Shop> archivist: by reversing them?
[11:16:45] <archivist> yes and having a stable platform
[11:21:15] <archivist> the stable platform is the hard bit as a normal dwelling is not that solid
[11:22:57] <archivist> I make sure I dont move and have a reference so the level is up against another item to make sure its is straight
[11:25:43] <skunkworks> dad bought and inexpensive one (.0005) per div from enco or one of those places - Had to calibrate it.
[11:27:42] <archivist> do not ever break a good bubble, I did on my clinometer, it cost £80 to get a new bubble
[11:30:28] <L84Supper> skunkworks: new concrete floor and granite table or moving the adjustment screw?
[11:36:01] <skunkworks> I think he calibrated it on the K&T's table.. (flipping it back and forth and adjusting the srew)
[11:46:59] <blubbsi> hello
[11:47:51] <micges> hi
[11:47:58] <blubbsi> i am unable to fetch git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git linuxcnc-dev, i get a connection refused error, is it me?
[11:48:23] <JT-Shop> could be
[11:48:57] <blubbsi> JT-Shop: :))
[11:49:20] <JT-Shop> are you using this syntax? git clone git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git linuxcnc-dev
[11:49:30] <blubbsi> yes
[11:49:32] <JT-Shop> or some directory
[11:49:37] <blubbsi> no
[11:49:38] <micges> I've got connection refused also
[11:49:42] <JT-Shop> might be down
[11:49:46] <blubbsi> ok, then its ok, and its noit me
[11:49:50] <JT-Shop> it don't like you guys then
[11:49:52] <blubbsi> thanks for trying
[11:49:55] <JT-Shop> lol
[11:50:13] <micges> he
[11:50:14] <micges> h
[11:50:29] <JT-Shop> blubbsi: just wait a while and try again
[11:50:51] <blubbsi> id like to take a lokk into a latency regression form linuxcnc 8.04 -> 10.04 on a i386 machine, almost twice the latency as the older version....
[11:51:24] <jdh> git.linuxcnc.org[0: 76.79.18.203]: errno=Connection refused
[11:51:51] <JT-Shop> older hardware works best with older OS
[11:52:19] <blubbsi> JT-Shop: well :) i intend to dig a bit deeper :)
[11:52:35] <jdh> blubbsi: higher latency on same hardware?
[11:52:40] <blubbsi> JT-Shop: yes
[11:52:45] <blubbsi> jdh: yes
[11:54:35] <pcw_home> This was noticed by many people when the first version of LinuxCNC based on Ubuntu 10.04 came out
[11:55:33] <AR__> it is perhaps because ubuntu is a horrible item
[11:57:33] <pcw_home> Doubt if its Ubuntu related
[12:00:39] <blubbsi> well, tehres not much that could be responsible :) eithere rtai, or kernel, or kernel&rtai :) and that with ubunut specific patches, or without.
[12:00:49] <micges> blubbsi: try git now
[12:01:30] <blubbsi> micges: works!
[12:02:01] <micges> ok
[12:03:17] <blubbsi> pcw_home: didt there come out something out of it?
[12:03:46] <mrsun> for making something level, better to have 3 points then 4 ?
[12:03:56] <mrsun> than
[12:03:59] <pcw_home> Not that I know of
[12:04:35] <pcw_home> Probably due to improvements in video drivers or something
[12:06:38] <blubbsi> pcw_home: ic
[12:07:18] <JT-Shop> blubbsi: git should be back up now, it was being upgraded
[12:10:14] <blubbsi> JT-Shop: thanks, i allready checked out
[12:10:33] <blubbsi> well, ill be back if i know what going on
[12:10:35] <blubbsi> bye
[12:16:44] <IchGuckLive> hi all Back from Holiday O.O :D
[12:24:37] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive: Spring Festival in Bavaria? :)
[12:25:32] <IchGuckLive> rio samba
[12:26:09] <L84Supper> have a nice time?
[12:26:23] <IchGuckLive> had a nice time
[12:26:43] <IchGuckLive> hot in every part and know landet at 3 and -2
[13:23:03] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, does lathe use H word for tool length offset?
[13:31:25] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop did you write a lathe feed calc when you did your calculator routines?
[13:46:57] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: H is optional
[13:47:37] <JT-Shop> for a lathe use G96 for turning
[14:05:08] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i noticed on a sample file he gave me he was using G95
[14:05:18] <Tom_itx> do you use that along with G96?
[14:05:43] <Tom_itx> units per rev mode (G95)
[14:07:02] <Tom_itx> doesn't appear so
[14:07:37] <Tom_itx> would G95 be more used for something like single point threading?
[14:08:24] <tjb1> Hi fellas
[14:08:58] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, one of his has both but i dunno what he was doing with them
[14:14:46] <Tecan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Blondzebra.jpg
[14:15:17] <Loetmichel> Tecan: too much H2O2 ;-)
[14:24:19] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/78ulj15l7xkzlpq/2013-02-18%2014.44.24.jpg
[14:26:23] <Tecan> dual color ?
[14:28:05] <tjb1> no
[14:28:18] <tjb1> support = black, model = white
[14:31:23] <Tecan> setup an automated part printing service 60 cents per gram of plastic
[14:31:45] <Tecan> no orders under 50 bux
[14:33:47] <tjb1> The white material is $4.66 a cubic inch
[14:34:46] <Tecan> how much does that weigh ?
[14:34:53] <tjb1> No clue
[14:35:13] <tjb1> Way overpriced though
[14:38:43] <Tecan> i bought a 3lb roll for 60 bux ?
[14:39:46] <tjb1> You aren't buying that for $60 to go into those printers
[14:42:26] <Tecan> 1kg for 40 bux
[14:43:02] <Tecan> http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=pla+filament&_sacat=0&_odkw=faster+3+d&_osacat=0&_from=R40
[14:43:25] <tjb1> Cheap filament = garbage
[14:43:37] <tjb1> That picture I loaded was a uPrint
[14:43:40] <tjb1> commercial machine
[14:44:28] <tjb1> $145 a spool for the uprint
[14:45:20] <Tecan> can you print rubber ?
[14:45:43] <tjb1> Some can
[14:54:28] <Spida> anybody here with a clue of mechanics? if I have a aluminium-püipe with D=50mm, d=46mm, l=400mm, fixed at one end and pushed with 98.1N at the other end, how much will it bend?
[14:55:46] <archivist> you need Roark's formulas for stress and strains W. Young McGraw Hill 1989 :)
[14:56:39] <tronwizard> assuming the direction of force is applied parallel and colinear with the pipe's axis, it depends on the aluminum alloy's compression strengh
[14:57:18] <archivist> I see no mention of force direction
[14:57:39] <Jymmm> <-- THAT WAY -->
[14:57:59] <tronwizard> doesn't help, what is the orientation of the pipe?
[14:58:34] <Jymmm> bi-sexual
[14:58:43] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[14:59:03] <Jymmm> tri-sexual ?
[14:59:08] * tronwizard adds Jymmm to his suspected troll list
[14:59:26] <Loetmichel> Spida: in short: not noticeable says my gut ;-)
[15:00:46] <Spida> Loetmichel: I need to mount a microscope, so "not noticeable" needs to be VERY small
[15:01:35] <Spida> a proper stand would be very expensive:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/370675428339
[15:01:44] <Loetmichel> ok, that is another thread
[15:01:52] <archivist> if you are not touching the microscope beding wont matter
[15:01:59] <archivist> bending
[15:02:15] <Loetmichel> archivist has a point there
[15:02:22] <Loetmichel> it WILL hold the 10kg
[15:02:23] <tronwizard> the weight of the m'scope would still deflrect the mounting
[15:02:53] <tronwizard> is there any adjustment availavble to compensate?
[15:03:09] <Loetmichel> tronwizard: thats right but irrelevant, the, the focus can be adjusted to take that into account
[15:03:24] <archivist> I have used a microscope when turning
[15:03:30] <Loetmichel> as long as the weight/force is not changing the stand will do its job
[15:03:56] <Spida> thats the question: how much will it bend if I touch it?
[15:04:05] <archivist> mine is on about an inch bar
[15:04:36] <Spida> archivist: but solid, not a pipe?
[15:04:37] <tronwizard> Spida: depends on the force you exert, I would think just a touch wouldn't be noticeable
[15:05:13] <archivist> Spida, in the background of this pic
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_11_01_Tool_grinder/IMG_1387.JPG
[15:05:42] <archivist> front view over a lathe
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works2008/P1010237.JPG
[15:08:01] <cpresser> Spida: you can try to find something similar; check offer simple calculations for bending of different extrusion profiles
[15:08:44] <cpresser> basically you need the 'e-modul' of the material. which depents on geometry and material
[15:09:05] <cpresser> i recommend 'gross hauger schell - technische mechanik' for further reading :)
[15:13:08] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-USB-MACH3-Electronic-Hand-wheel-For-ModsMach3-Engraving-Machine-Puls-Only-/281041435555 nasty looking but cheap
[15:13:12] <Spida> archivist: looks pretty solid
[15:16:34] <Spida> not sure if I want a pipe or a solid rod, though. a pipe would need much larger holes in the pase-plate, and a some lathe-work for the mount-adaptor, but it would be easily replaceable for different lengths. the solid rod would (probably) be heavier (which might add instability because the weight is heigher above the base-plate)
[15:17:09] <archivist> the base on mine is pretty heavy
[15:21:15] <MattyMatt> 3d printing is getting serious for pipe fittings ->
http://www.taulman3d.com/index.html
[15:22:41] <MattyMatt> probably not as stiff as a metal flange tho
[15:23:12] <mrsun> found a small chuck for the lathe, collet chuck ... the collets look like the R8 but not any size that ive ever seen .. alot smaller
[15:23:26] <mrsun> are these R8 but a different size or is there any like R6 or something? :P
[15:23:44] <mrsun> 5C maybe?
[15:24:07] <archivist> mrsun, Schaublin and similar
[15:24:23] <jdh> later
[15:25:47] <archivist> mrsun, picture ?
[15:26:07] <mrsun> not atm :/ have to take that tomorrow in that case, but was something scribed on the frontside of the holder
[15:26:44] <skunkworks_> I wonder how well the threads are generated by the reprap
[15:26:47] <mrsun> http://cdn.homemodelenginemachinist.com/attachments/f26/49806d1342624949-er-collets-my-south-bend-col.png all parts look like that, missing the thread protector tho
[15:26:53] <skunkworks_> or if you have to tap them
[15:27:26] <MattyMatt> the coarse threads on the pipe could be printed fine these days
[15:27:43] <MattyMatt> some people are printing 0.04mm layers
[15:27:57] <MattyMatt> that takes days tho
[15:28:00] <archivist> mrsun, I have some collets for my Schaublin lathe that are similar to that
[15:28:18] <mrsun> this lathe is a south bend clone
[15:28:48] <archivist> mrsun, also watchmakers lathes use the same style
[15:29:38] <archivist> often known as 6mm or 8mm collets
[15:30:27] <mrsun> gah mouse just halted in its tracks .. fun :P
[15:30:42] <mrsun> cant move it but can click with it
[15:33:17] <mrsun_> ...
[15:33:20] <mrsun_> and then computer hung :P
[15:37:58] <Spida> archivist: how large ist that baseplate of yours?
[15:38:22] <mrsun_> archivist, hmm ok so no special name on them? :)
[16:09:54] <Spida> how bad are the milling properties of V2A steel?
[16:30:56] <gene77> hi all. It appears Johns new kernel won't boot on a 10.04.4 LTS machine but it is reported to work on 12.04. URL for a 12.04 LTS ido?
[16:31:30] <gene77> hi all. It appears John Morris's new kernel won't boot on a 10.04.4 LTS machine but it is reported to work on 12.04. URL for a 12.04 LTS iso?
[16:31:57] <micges> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[16:32:14] <gene77> Thanks
[16:41:45] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[17:39:24] <Valen> ok, I've found a 3d printer that i like
[17:39:25] <Valen> http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1392&doc_id=258652&cid=Newsletter+-+Materials+%26+Assembly&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_aero,industry_gov,bid_27,aid_258652&dfpLayout=blog&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_aero,industry_gov,bid_27,aid_258652&dfpLayout=blog
[17:39:57] <Valen> 25 ft x 5 ft x 5 ft, 15 lb per hour, titanium, tantalum inconel and no powders
[17:54:00] <JT-Shop> wtf Copy the elo driver files from the binary folder to the default elo folder. Compile the kernel module and copy it to the default elo folder. Change the permissions for all the elo driver files. Copy and place the X display Elo component file in the proper location.
[18:03:07] <JT-Shop> when you see cp -r ./bin-serial/ /etc/opt/elo-ser are you supposed to be in the bin-serial directory when you issue the command
[18:09:00] <jdh> not one dir up?
[18:09:19] <jdh> otherwise it would be ../bin-serial/
[18:11:41] <gene77> 12.04-2 amd64 LTS installed still no network of any kind Its the Mrs birthday, so I'd better go pay attention.
[18:11:42] <JT-Shop> it copies the directory too and the instructions are not clear if that is the desired result
[18:12:07] <JT-Shop> http://www.elotouch.com/files/install/Elo_Linux_Serial_v3.3.0_i686_Installation_Instructions.txt
[18:15:52] <jdh> does apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evtouch work?
[18:18:37] <JT-Shop> yes, I was just testing evtouch and need to calibrate it now
[18:23:27] <JT-Shop> I was hoping to use the ELO drivers so the calibration thing works
[18:23:35] <AR__> ELO is a great band
[18:23:47] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, can you explain about G96 and 95?
[18:23:50] <AR__> EEEEEEEEEVIL WOMAN
[18:24:05] <Tom_itx> i noticed andy used both in one file but only G96 in another
[18:24:08] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: more than the manual does?
[18:24:16] <Tom_itx> i read it
[18:24:22] <Tom_itx> but why would you use both?
[18:24:36] <JT-Shop> two different things
[18:24:38] <Tom_itx> do you use G96 for most stuff?
[18:25:02] <JT-Shop> I use it for turning but not drilling or tapping
[18:25:08] <Tom_itx> G96 has more to do with the part diameter right?
[18:25:21] <Tom_itx> smaller it gets the faster the spindle turns
[18:25:25] <JT-Shop> yep
[18:25:31] <Tom_itx> where G95 moves the tool faster or slower
[18:25:35] <JT-Shop> constant surface speed
[18:25:38] <Tom_itx> right
[18:25:50] <Tom_itx> but that would affect the feed wouldn't it?
[18:25:52] <JT-Shop> G95 is how much you take per rev
[18:26:00] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:26:09] <Tom_itx> how much do you usually take with aluminum?
[18:26:16] <Tom_itx> like .04
[18:26:17] <Tom_itx> ?
[18:26:24] <Tom_itx> well maybe more than that
[18:26:25] <JT-Shop> say you want to cut 0.25 per rev then G95 is easier than calculating the feed to get that result
[18:26:41] <JT-Shop> just depends on the part geometry
[18:26:49] <Tom_itx> i'm thinking thousandths per tooth like you would on a mill
[18:26:52] <Tom_itx> chip load
[18:26:58] <JT-Shop> yea, same thing
[18:27:06] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/U6KeoAu.jpg
[18:27:15] <Tom_itx> so .04 is a fairly light cut?
[18:27:18] <r00t4rd3d> im the local wood urn guy
[18:27:37] <r00t4rd3d> kinda creept
[18:27:39] <r00t4rd3d> creepy
[18:27:55] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what surface speed do you shoot for on aluminum?
[18:28:04] <Tom_itx> generally speaking
[18:28:59] <AR__> did a horse die
[18:29:01] <AR__> or what
[18:29:09] <AR__> a brony
[18:34:10] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop-2, what surface speed do you shoot for on aluminum?
[18:34:30] <JT-Shop-2> 200-400 on the lathe
[18:34:43] <JT-Shop-2> my internet is flaky during the rain
[18:34:45] <Tom_itx> k, so my 300 wasn't too outrageous
[18:34:51] <JT-Shop-2> no
[18:34:55] <Tom_itx> i realize the .15 was now that i see what it did
[18:35:06] <Tom_itx> for the G95
[18:35:24] <Tom_itx> that should be down around a chip load feed rate right?
[18:36:32] <JT-Shop> G95 F0.150 might be too much load for
[18:36:37] <JT-Shop> Andys lathe
[18:36:47] <Tom_itx> i changed that to .015
[18:37:02] <Tom_itx> i plan to let him adjust that
[18:37:22] <Tom_itx> it's been too long since i ran the okuma
[18:37:29] <Tom_itx> i can't remember that stuff
[18:37:54] <Tom_itx> i do still have the pocket reference for it
[18:39:12] <Tom_itx> i know we had to limit the spindle speed with the bar feeder attached :D
[18:42:27] <JT-Shop> sounds like "you must whip it"
[18:42:48] <Tom_itx> i think they pulled the tail mount out of the floor once
[18:42:55] <Tom_itx> i wasn't there when it happened
[18:43:47] <JT-Shop> you getting the rain?
[18:43:56] <Tom_itx> no not yet
[18:44:02] <Tom_itx> sure was windy today though
[18:44:11] <Tom_itx> started out of the south and ended up out of the north
[18:44:37] <Tom_itx> i don't remember what rain is
[18:45:11] <Tom_itx> you can walk across the arkansas
[18:45:29] <JT-Shop> we have been wet all winter
[18:45:41] <Tom_itx> we need it for the wheat
[18:54:40] <tjb1> JT-Shop: I'm making a new printer
[18:55:43] <JT-Shop> cool
[18:56:28] <JT-Shop> will it print rigatony?
[18:56:52] <tjb1> rigatony?
[18:57:30] <JT-Shop> sorry misspelled it is rigatoni
[18:57:38] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what code do you use for tapping?
[18:58:00] <tjb1> No it wont print pasta
[18:58:33] <JT-Shop> G33.1 I think
[18:59:01] <Tom_itx> sync motion
[18:59:18] <JT-Shop> yep G33.1
[18:59:38] <JT-Shop> tjb1: why not?
[18:59:57] <Tom_itx> so your z would be the thread pitch
[19:00:51] <Tom_itx> or is it divided by k
[19:01:13] <Tom_itx> i need a lathe to play with
[19:04:10] <JT-Shop> K is distance per rev and Z is how far
[19:04:27] <Tom_itx> i see that now
[19:04:49] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure my cam would calculate that right
[19:05:13] <Tom_itx> i'll check the canned cycle part later
[19:06:00] <Tom_itx> what do you use to back a tap out of the hole then?
[19:06:19] <JT-Shop> G33.1
[19:06:47] <JT-Shop> handles it
[19:13:18] <Tom_itx> ok
[19:19:07] <Tom_itx> they have a G33 set up in it right now
[19:20:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, would you use a G33 for exterior multi pass single point threads?
[19:20:35] <Tom_itx> and G33.1 for taps
[19:39:24] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/XImHYQO.jpg
[20:17:52] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: yes - although I think there is a canned cycle for single point threading
[20:18:49] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: g76
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G76-Threading-Canned
[20:24:25] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ9oGXbz51U
[20:25:40] <jdh> r00t: where did that lego pic come from? Someone else posted it in another channel
[20:30:20] <Valen> soooo shiny
[20:30:33] <L84Supper> too bad the Pi used Broadcon and real poor form factor
[20:30:49] <jdh> form factor really sucks for my use.
[20:41:50] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, that's for lathe or mill?
[20:45:23] <Tom_itx> G codes don't seem to be very standard
[20:45:33] <jdh> they mostly start with G
[20:45:48] <Tom_itx> G76 in my fadal book is fine boring
[20:46:05] <Tom_itx> and it's a thread cycle in lcnc
[20:47:00] <Tom_itx> the post is pretty liberal on how you can define the cycle though
[20:47:39] <Tom_itx> thread pass only, thread pass with rapid, or single command generates entire thread cycle
[20:53:14] <AR__> i rigid tap only without tapping head
[20:54:28] <Tom_itx> using G33.1?
[20:54:46] <AR__> using G00 Z-5
[20:56:51] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: both?
[20:59:56] <Tom_itx> looks like i could do single point several ways with this cam
[21:02:01] <Tom_itx> it would be hard to set up without a lathe though
[21:02:07] <jdh> buy a lathe!
[21:02:12] <Tom_itx> heh
[21:02:14] <AR__> build a lathe
[21:02:20] <AR__> use mill as lathe
[21:02:23] <AR__> etc
[21:02:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: jdh said you can use his CC to get you a lathe
[21:03:09] <Tom_itx> i think i have the basic template working for lcnc now
[21:03:30] <Tom_itx> looks like they have a couple canned cycles defined already
[21:19:09] <Jymmm> "Name something that usually does not comes with instructions, but has always implied that (at least) some prior knowledge or skill is needed to use to use to it's full extent?"
[21:19:35] <Tom_itx> sex
[21:20:21] <Jymmm> Ok, anything else?
[21:21:13] <Tom_itx> riding a bike
[21:22:02] <Valen> parenthood
[21:22:12] <Jymmm> bike is a good one
[21:23:17] <Valen> sex is more fun than a bike
[21:23:20] <L84Supper> firearms
[21:23:24] <Jymmm> Valen: Eh, most just wing it and see what happens
[21:24:09] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Eh, you need to pass a firearms safety in advance usually.
[21:24:29] <Tom_itx> not if you're a gang member
[21:24:34] <L84Supper> powerful oxidizers
[21:24:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: They just watch reruns of Law and Order
[21:24:56] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/138825
[21:25:08] <L84Supper> Jymmm: in California?
[21:25:18] <Jymmm> L84Supper: yep
[21:26:02] <Jymmm> matches? Lighter? compass?
[21:26:05] <L84Supper> Jymmm: no such thing in IL
[21:26:39] <Jymmm> L84Supper: you sure?
[21:26:47] <L84Supper> yes
[21:26:55] <Jymmm> it's a simple open book test
[21:27:04] <Valen> screwdriver
[21:27:18] <Valen> its use is trivial, but the stuff you can break with it.... ;->
[21:27:24] <Valen> car
[21:27:44] <Valen> though i spose it comes with a manual
[21:27:50] <Valen> but nobody ever seems to read them
[21:27:56] <Jymmm> Valen: and you need to pass a test to get a license
[21:28:06] <Valen> doesn't mean your any good at it
[21:28:09] <Valen> bow and arrow
[21:28:43] <L84Supper> trebuchet
[21:29:23] <Jymmm> a cup?
[21:29:25] <r00t4rd3d> rock launcher?
[21:30:17] <L84Supper> anything by Acme and in the possession of Wile E Coyote
[21:30:34] <Jymmm> no, they came with instructions
[21:30:43] <r00t4rd3d> there was an episode where he caught the road runner
[21:31:20] <L84Supper> most sporting goods
[21:32:26] <r00t4rd3d> women
[21:33:30] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: DAMN, that's good
[21:33:53] <Jymmm> I can't use it, but it's good =)
[21:34:09] <Tom_itx> lawn mowers
[21:34:12] <r00t4rd3d> should be the #1 answer
[21:34:20] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Yes it should
[21:34:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: 30pg manual
[21:34:51] <Tom_itx> they do? :D
[21:35:02] <Jymmm> yeah
[21:36:04] <L84Supper> I guess it depends on what you are going to make with them
[21:36:09] <Jymmm> toothpick?
[21:37:38] <Tom_itx> tissue
[21:37:41] <Tom_itx> or tp
[21:37:55] <Jymmm> potty training
[21:38:21] <L84Supper> surgical instruments
[21:38:58] <Tom_itx> that falls under parenting
[21:39:14] <Jymmm> what Tom_itx said
[21:39:38] <Jymmm> a shovel?
[21:40:03] <Tom_itx> knife fork spoon
[21:40:18] <L84Supper> hand tools in general
[21:40:19] <Jymmm> I think you learn those by osmosis
[21:41:04] <Jymmm> L84Supper: You're right, but I need things that are more specific.
[21:41:14] <Jymmm> lipstick?
[21:41:15] <Jymmm> soap?
[21:41:29] <Jymmm> rope or string ???
[21:41:52] <Jymmm> you need to know knots to fully utilize rope
[21:42:51] <Jymmm> I think every everyone knows a compass points north, BUT to find your way requires prior knowledge. Thos are the sort of things I need examples of.
[21:43:52] <Valen> why does this feel like a literal example of feeding a troll.... ;-P
[21:44:53] <Jymmm> Valen: I'm trying to find a very broad public simplisitic analogy to described somethign more complex.
[21:45:03] <L84Supper> first he sucks you in with a general question, much later the minutia comes out
[21:45:54] <Jymmm> L84Supper: It was suppose to be simplisitc in nature, no details or compexaties needed.
[21:46:17] <Jymmm> something that EVERYONE can relate to.
[21:46:31] <skunkworks> fire arm?
[21:46:48] <Valen> skunkworks: not everybody lives in america
[21:46:52] <Jymmm> skunkworks: The do come with instructions =)
[21:47:08] <L84Supper> are we doing someones homework? this smells like a school project
[21:47:16] <skunkworks> oh - do they? not the ones at the gun shows.. ;)
[21:47:17] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Hardly
[21:47:31] <Valen> nah Jymmm is probably trolling somebody and wants our help
[21:47:36] <Jymmm> skunkworks: new ones do. pretty thick packet actually.
[21:47:55] <Valen> do they tell you to aim away from people?
[21:47:56] <L84Supper> firearms shows must vary from state to state
[21:48:13] <Jymmm> Valen: Yes, actually.
[21:48:39] <Valen> seems kinda silly given their job
[21:48:41] <Jymmm> Valen: and to never look down the barrel
[21:49:00] <Jymmm> Valen: unless, blah blah blah
[21:54:52] <Jymmm> Ok, what do you guys think of this:
[21:56:50] <Jymmm> "Everyone knows you can use a knife to cut things with, But to be able to fully utilize the potential of a knife for such things like carving a piece of wood into an animal requires prior knowledge and skill"
[21:58:12] <Valen> http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/EcceHomo.jpg
[21:58:15] <Valen> paint brush
[21:58:48] <Jymmm> Oh, I read about that. sad
[21:59:43] <Jymmm> Valen: I like paint brush, that's pretty universal
[21:59:55] <Valen> rather more than a knife i think
[22:00:12] <Jymmm> Yeah, I think so too.
[22:00:34] <Jymmm> I was trying to avoid "tools" as many never touch em.
[22:00:59] <Valen> wrong room for that
[22:01:02] <Jymmm> But even in pre-school they are exposed to paint brudh
[22:01:38] <Jymmm> Valen: Yeah, well, I thought someone out the might have a life beyond #emc =)
[22:01:53] <Jymmm> looks like you're the winner Valen =)
[22:02:09] <Valen> yay how many internets do i win?
[22:02:19] <Jymmm> all of them!
[22:02:48] <Jymmm> te other one I thought of is a sharpening stone.
[22:03:31] <Jymmm> Valen: Thanks for the paint brush, that's perfect!
[22:03:56] <Valen> hah nobody uses stones anymore
[22:03:56] <Jymmm> Valen: WTH man, that's two you've come up with in the last month =)
[22:04:09] <Valen> I am a friggin rocket scientist you know
[22:04:15] <Jymmm> lol
[22:04:21] <Jymmm> Valen: what do you use?
[22:05:00] <Valen> I use a diamond lap, but i meant nobody uses stones to sharpen knives, its always some $24.99 ginsu plastic hunk of crap
[22:06:06] <Jymmm> Oh. Yeah I use stones, but I'm REALLY liking my pencil diamond sharpeners, and I'm looking into the belt sanders
[22:06:35] <Jymmm> The Buck Knives one I like a lot
[22:06:36] <Valen> I want to get one of those things that hold the knife at the right angle
[22:07:00] <Valen> for use on a flat stonr
[22:07:08] <Jymmm> Valen: I did at one time too, but it
[22:07:20] <Jymmm> 's just not for me being practical
[22:07:47] <Valen> I figured it'd do a better job than i would by eye
[22:07:56] <Valen> just for the kitchen
[22:08:25] <Jymmm> I have found that with little effort on my part the pencil works great for tossing an edge on a dull blade
[22:08:46] <Jymmm> I even sharpened my kukri with one surprisingly
[22:09:02] <Jymmm> (cold Steel kukti machete
[22:09:04] <Jymmm> )
[22:09:09] <Valen> oh I can make it sharp with the lap by hand
[22:09:19] <Valen> i just wanted it to be *really* sharp
[22:09:28] <Valen> like properly ;->
[22:09:52] <Jymmm> My kukri is! I thought I needed to sharpener it a LOT more, till it cut me yesterday
[22:10:05] <Jymmm> I barely touched it too!
[22:11:18] <Jymmm> Valen: I think learning the angles by hand is better than those V stones
[22:11:59] <Jymmm> Valen: only exception is a straight razor
[22:12:10] <Jymmm> for obvious reaosns =)
[22:12:43] <Valen> I dont want a V stone
[22:13:01] <Jymmm> those V sticks
[22:13:19] <Valen> nope its a thing you clamp the blade in it and pass it over the stone
[22:13:34] <Jymmm> Oh , THAT!
[22:14:28] <Jymmm> Valen: Yeah, I understand. *I* am just a purist in that respect. I want to learn/do it old-school ways in case I dont have this or that gadget available.
[22:16:39] <Valen> I figure my skill is good enough to do any job i want, but a magic whatsit can do a better job than I can ;->
[22:17:50] <Jymmm> =)
[22:32:04] <paul_liebenberg> Hi, Anyone know latency for a lenovo m55?
[23:13:24] <r00t4rd3d> whats the other number, type?
[23:13:49] <r00t4rd3d> ThinkCentre M55 (type 6488, 8010, 8792, 8796, 8800, 8804, 8808, 8813)
[23:14:02] <r00t4rd3d> just looking up the specs
[23:16:11] <Jymmm> ALL laptops and bad for REALTIME due to the inherit APM (even if "disabled" in BIOS) as they'll time slice to conserve power.
[23:16:22] <Jymmm> s/and/as/
[23:16:27] <r00t4rd3d> all lenovo's are not laptops
[23:17:18] <Jymmm> I said all laptops, not lenovos.
[23:17:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ventespclowcost.com/ordinateur/lenovo-thinkcentre-m55.html
[23:18:08] <r00t4rd3d> pretty sure you assumed he was talking about a laptop
[23:18:27] <r00t4rd3d> why would you just pull that statement out of thin air
