#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-02-17

[00:10:20] <tjtr33> re gladevcp: i have data files for edm, (on off current tragetVoltage cuttime jumptime oberflache untermass...)
[00:10:27] <tjtr33> I can read the files and set them hardware using python already,
[00:10:28] <tjtr33> but want to display it to user and allow him to change the data as well. can gladevcp help do this?
[00:13:43] <tjtr33> i suppose the q is, 1)can data be read from a file and displayed in gladevcp.
[00:13:51] <tjtr33> then, 2)can that date be edited, and the change event re-write the hardware
[00:18:30] <tjtr33> data like this http://pastebin.com/2AN4ATxz
[00:20:25] <tjtr33> read like this http://pastebin.com/3e1E4wGT
[00:21:18] <tjtr33> but how to get data back to the user interface?
[00:29:54] <tjtr33> looks do-able, make the data global in the handler from the wiki page '''global nhits nhits += 1 gtkobj.set_label("hits: %d" % nhits)'''
[00:37:27] <r00t4rd3d> wrong hour for them questions
[00:39:48] <tjtr33> yah
[01:04:40] <tjtr33> setting the values global is not neccesary, this gladevcp can determine the identity of widgets by name and set attributes at will, pretty cool ( i can read a file and set a field, and read a field and set a pin :)))
[01:48:46] <tjtr33> ok, got a place to display data, tomorrow, read files and, update fields, chg hdwr accordingly nitey nite http://imagebin.org/247040
[02:18:14] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:20:04] <Jymmm> SOB!
[03:20:16] <Jymmm> I just cut myself on the machette
[03:20:20] <DJ9DJ> good morning Jymmm
[03:20:29] <Jymmm> Ok, I think I sharpened it enough!!!
[03:20:52] <DJ9DJ> while shaving?
[03:21:06] <Jymmm> No, honing it
[03:21:18] <DJ9DJ> :)
[03:21:22] <Jymmm> well, the back edge of it
[04:13:40] <nevyn> are you making a machette slingshot?
[04:14:11] <nevyn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSU1jQoGIqo
[04:19:11] <Jymmm> nevyn: No, I was reshaping the back edge on my $20 Cold Steel Kukari Machete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6adwuGQyHjM
[04:20:34] <Jymmm> Barely nicked me, but damn did it bleed!
[04:20:52] <Jymmm> Are here I thought I need to sharpen it a lot more.
[08:09:26] <Jymmm> NEVER EVER Go on a wilderness trip without knowing the reputation of your pilot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftL-SVfMmX4
[10:27:22] <jdh> anyone have a generic 8.5x11 dxf title block?
[10:29:12] <r00t4rd3d> you just need a square box with those dimensions?
[10:29:32] <Tom_itx> what size paper is that?
[10:29:33] <jdh> generally has name, date, revs, scale, etc.
[10:29:34] <Tom_itx> D?
[10:29:40] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[10:29:46] <jdh> A
[10:29:59] <JT-Shop> 8.5 x 11 is A
[10:30:25] <r00t4rd3d> what are you doing?
[10:30:29] <jdh> drawing
[10:30:43] <r00t4rd3d> of what
[10:30:50] <jdh> a title block
[10:31:11] <Tom_itx> one sec
[10:31:32] <r00t4rd3d> whats the title block for?
[10:31:43] <jdh> so teh drawing will look pretty and have useful information.
[10:31:55] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: you got this covered?
[10:32:17] <jdh> actually, a template with layers for centers, dims, etc would be cool also.
[10:32:18] <r00t4rd3d> ffs man you know what im asking
[10:32:18] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/
[10:32:23] <Tom_itx> a-title
[10:32:44] <jdh> r00t: I'm making a drawing of a part that I will cut. I want a title block for the overall drawing.
[10:33:03] <Tom_itx> ^^
[10:33:28] <jdh> Tom: excellent! thanks
[10:34:10] <jdh> I could make a new set, it just isn't very fulfilling.
[10:34:27] <r00t4rd3d> what kinda part?
[10:35:06] <jdh> r00t: http://www.scubatools.com/images/Product/large/20-240-200.jpg
[10:35:27] <ReadError> http://www.sunsky-online.com/view/246719/Original+Replacement+LCD+Screen+for+New+iPad++iPad+3+.htm
[10:35:31] <ReadError> noms
[10:36:34] <r00t4rd3d> u break yours?
[10:37:40] <ReadError> no
[10:37:43] <ReadError> but thats a nice hack
[10:37:51] <ReadError> retina display for 65$
[10:38:17] <Icekiller> I have hiwin 15mm rails, a few of the wagons are missing balls :s anyone know wher i can get them,
[10:38:54] <r00t4rd3d> liquor store?
[10:39:26] <Jymmm> wth kind of liquor store have you been going to?
[10:39:56] <jdh> heh... draftsight crashed adding text to the titleblock
[10:41:00] <JT-Shop> draftsight does not come with sample title blocks?
[10:41:08] <jdh> not that I see.
[10:51:10] <Jymmm> Icekiller:
[10:51:41] <Jymmm> ~~~ balls for reloading ballscrews etc http://www.precisionballs.com/
[10:52:33] <DJ9DJ> balls of steel? :D
[10:53:01] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: steel, ceramic, fluffy stuff
[10:57:18] <Jymmm> Icekiller: They are some really nice folks down there. Just tell them what you are trying to do and they'll help you out.
[11:09:36] <Icekiller> Jymmm where are they based?
[11:09:44] <Icekiller> ah US.. i'm europe
[11:44:37] <psha> Icekiller: not only us
[11:51:36] <micges> psha: are you near meteor strike?
[11:52:16] <micges> ah he left, didn't notice
[11:54:23] <Icekiller> i've send them a message :)
[11:54:40] <Icekiller> anyone know what kind of bearings they use in a bk12 ?
[12:00:50] <jdh> are you going to make your own bearing block?
[13:00:16] <tjtr33> gladevcp for edm reading data files, displaying & setting hal pins http://videobin.org/+6dv/79w.html
[13:10:14] <Icekiller> jdh kinda
[13:10:25] <cncbasher__> tjtr33: nice
[13:24:04] <JesusAlos> hi
[13:54:15] <jthornton> cncbasher, you have mail
[13:55:53] <JesusAlos> there are any possibility that when linuxcnc finish a file, restart it automatically?
[13:56:46] <JesusAlos> it's when finish the route, start again of start route
[13:58:24] <jthornton> a number of times or forever?
[14:05:34] <micges> JesusAlos: use WHILE in gcode
[14:07:02] <micges> JesusAlos: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#sec:looping
[14:07:03] <JesusAlos> yes, infinite
[14:08:14] <JesusAlos> micges: this example is for g-code?
[14:08:24] <JesusAlos> or need modific a linuxcnc?
[14:08:29] <micges> gcode
[14:09:35] <micges> realtime ethernet under linuxcnc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6DdWQ25Ur8
[14:11:26] <JesusAlos> I think that is no very easy way for final users
[14:12:33] <micges> what? loops in gcode?
[14:13:41] <JesusAlos> the finals user don't must be modific the g-code
[14:14:16] <JesusAlos> they create a dxf file, then convert to g-code with dxf2gcode for example
[14:14:36] <micges> if its infinite then they don't have to modifiy it, just load to emc and run
[14:15:10] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop you around?
[14:18:56] <JesusAlos> I try example, but it finish
[14:19:09] <JesusAlos> not infinite route
[14:24:06] <Tom_itx> i think i find something new on my cad cam every time i use it now
[14:24:22] <Tom_itx> didn't use it but for mill before
[14:25:06] <Tom_itx> supposedly it will post gcode inch or metric no matter the drawing format
[14:25:36] <Tom_itx> we never did metric so i never bothered looking
[14:29:00] <JesusAlos> I thinking...
[14:29:37] <JesusAlos> there are a cript to generate a sawtooth?
[14:30:32] <JesusAlos> like an executable file that put a number of teeth, lengh and height
[14:37:54] <Tom_itx> what sort of sawtooth?
[14:38:53] <JesusAlos> scuare
[14:39:11] <JesusAlos> triangle
[14:43:10] <r00t4rd3d> i just took a job and my machine is in pieces :/
[14:45:01] <micges> broken or not built yet?
[14:49:34] <r00t4rd3d> took it apart to upgrade it
[14:50:00] <r00t4rd3d> and brought all my computer gear inside to protect from the cold
[14:51:56] <r00t4rd3d> 6 hour cut job though and the guy didnt flinch at my number
[14:52:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/if/
[14:52:38] <r00t4rd3d> that poem into a piece of oak
[14:52:39] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[14:52:52] <ReadError> you already finished it?
[14:52:54] <roh> hm. i think i need a cam system i can use like openscad for cad.
[14:52:58] <r00t4rd3d> havent even started it
[14:53:06] <r00t4rd3d> besides the dxf
[14:53:08] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[14:53:13] <roh> what do you use for programming your gcodes?
[14:53:56] <Tom_itx> smartcam
[14:54:26] <r00t4rd3d> i use aspire
[14:54:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/6ATmo
[14:54:35] <r00t4rd3d> thats what im doin lol
[14:55:57] <r00t4rd3d> ive centered the text between the flourishes since that pic
[14:56:06] <r00t4rd3d> for any eagle eyes
[14:56:54] <r00t4rd3d> 12x28
[14:56:59] <r00t4rd3d> $175
[14:57:35] <roh> hm. too bad. both are win32 only and dont support parametric working.
[14:58:07] <roh> also much too expensive. if i'd had 2keuro i would buy a toolchanger
[14:59:15] <r00t4rd3d> aspire pays for itself, not that I would know.
[14:59:39] <roh> but nobody pays me for the pain of needing a win32 machine and use it.
[14:59:54] <r00t4rd3d> Ive wined it before
[15:00:02] <r00t4rd3d> ran fine
[15:00:05] <roh> not a solution. wine is a bad excuse.
[15:00:26] <roh> if i would be paying money for sw, i'd never pay for non-native.
[15:00:36] <roh> but the parametric thing is much more important.
[15:02:36] <micges> roh: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[15:03:23] <roh> micges: tried lots of those already... but its usually a lot of manual work or half-done sw.
[15:03:42] <roh> micges: so i was hoping of finding someone who actually USES a parametric cam somewhere.
[15:04:01] <micges> try on emc list
[15:04:15] <micges> there are much more users there
[15:04:50] <roh> i even evaluated cambam since i currently have 2.5d stuff to do.. but then it crashed the hell out of me on simple dxf files and i gave up on it.
[15:05:08] <r00t4rd3d> what exactly do you mean by parametric? example?
[15:05:30] <ReadError> i think its where you can change stuff symmetrically
[15:05:36] <roh> micges: actually i am kinda surprised.. emc2 is such a nice foss solution to a real world problem, but the cam seems like a minefield of broken parts
[15:05:52] <ReadError> or like change grow/shrink a dimension
[15:05:57] <ReadError> alot of the 3d printer stuff is like that
[15:06:20] <ReadError> roh: cam has a bit of a learning curve
[15:06:24] <ReadError> atleast for me
[15:06:33] <ReadError> but now that i have a better understanding, im much better with it
[15:06:35] <roh> r00t4rd3d: my cad files are made parametric more often than not. so i want my cam also have that feature. change settings anywhere, rerun the whole shebang and be able to have a reproduceable result.
[15:06:55] <ReadError> roh: solidworks plugin
[15:07:03] <roh> ReadError: sure. but i need to get away from manually working over every line of gcode in the end. (which is what i currently do)
[15:07:04] <ReadError> like with hsmxpress
[15:07:08] <ReadError> you can change the part
[15:07:16] <ReadError> and it will re-do the gcode
[15:07:23] <roh> ReadError: no win32, no 2k euro sw.
[15:07:49] <ReadError> well i hate to tell you, but if you want a decent/free linux cam package, you might be SOL
[15:07:57] <t12> speaking of cam
[15:07:58] <ReadError> theres heekscnc
[15:08:01] <t12> anyone have much hsmworks expirence?
[15:08:17] <roh> the last few milling jobs i generated the toolpath with heeks and manally hacked that up to be useable
[15:08:18] <ReadError> t12: I use the free one
[15:08:19] <ReadError> whats up
[15:08:38] <ReadError> my uhh, demo expired for the full version
[15:08:39] <t12> i keep running into situations where
[15:08:43] <roh> the heeks-toolpathes are slow as hell.. why do i need to remove the millhead for every layer of a simple hole etc ;)
[15:08:44] <t12> say i have a 1/2" endmill
[15:08:52] <t12> and i'm taking a 1/4" cut off the edge of a 1" cube
[15:09:03] <t12> the stock is defiend as that 1" cube
[15:09:12] <t12> it hates to path cuts like that
[15:09:19] <ReadError> yea make the stock bigger
[15:09:23] <t12> and i end up having to draw say, a big sketch
[15:09:25] <ReadError> its strange about that
[15:09:27] <t12> and then machinet to the sketch
[15:09:32] <t12> theres no simple way around this?
[15:09:51] <ReadError> well i think it will try to stay within the stock contours
[15:09:52] <t12> like jsut make a fake oversized stock, and put the origin on the real stock?
[15:10:03] <ReadError> i put my origin on the part
[15:10:06] <ReadError> not the stock
[15:10:16] <t12> ahh ok
[15:10:21] <t12> i will try with bigger stock
[15:10:26] <t12> i've been liking hsmworks alot
[15:10:34] <ReadError> you got the full version?
[15:10:36] <t12> but i've been doing small things and that gets max annoying
[15:10:36] <t12> nah
[15:10:42] <ReadError> xpress?
[15:10:43] <t12> by hsmworks i mean hsmxpress
[15:10:45] <ReadError> yea
[15:10:51] <t12> i played with a pirated version of hsmworks
[15:10:51] <ReadError> it works great for being free software
[15:11:00] <t12> hilariosuly it works fine, then when you try and reload something you did
[15:11:02] <t12> it wont let you
[15:11:03] <t12> bur
[15:11:04] <t12> burn
[15:11:05] <ReadError> yea
[15:11:08] <ReadError> thats how they get you ;)
[15:11:16] <ReadError> it will let you invest some time
[15:11:18] <ReadError> then shit bricks
[15:11:31] <t12> maybe i can score an academic copy or something
[15:11:34] <ReadError> and getting it to go again is a PITA
[15:11:41] <ReadError> you have to change your computer clock, reactivate
[15:11:48] <ReadError> it will do a few more generations
[15:11:56] <ReadError> also, theres a bug with drilling
[15:12:04] <t12> (uhoh)
[15:12:04] <ReadError> i always have to add G0 after my last hole
[15:12:13] <ReadError> otherwise linuxcnc wont load the file
[15:12:27] <r00t4rd3d> roh what are you making?
[15:12:32] <t12> ah right now this is all in mach3 and a tormach
[15:12:34] <r00t4rd3d> door panel or something
[15:12:37] <t12> mach3 has some fun bugs
[15:12:43] <t12> like with the tormach wheel controller
[15:12:44] <roh> r00t4rd3d: different stuff. some front panels lately
[15:12:53] <t12> i think its a debounce problem but if you do stuff too fast
[15:13:03] <roh> r00t4rd3d: black anodized aluminium, drilled, milled and then laser engraved
[15:13:04] <t12> it will just drift one of the axis slowly once you let go sometimes
[15:13:08] <ReadError> never tried mach3 but in a vm
[15:13:16] <ReadError> didnt care for it much
[15:13:20] <t12> i had it ignore a limit switch once
[15:13:23] <t12> and just keep driving z up
[15:13:38] <t12> restart of mach3, machine, and it was fine
[15:14:05] <t12> i'm just using it cause its what this machine is setup with, and i dont really have the freedom to change it around
[15:16:38] <Tom_itx> anyone know when andypugh is due back?
[15:17:20] <roh> r00t4rd3d: i currently think something like gcnccam with some routines from heekscam would do the trick for me, but i thought i should ask around first before going on an try to hack these up
[15:17:46] <roh> too bad nobody continues the heeks stuff. was nice, just not done and badly broken at some places.
[15:20:44] <Tom_itx> umm sheetcam too
[15:20:44] <skunkworks> t12: I thought tomach had a supported linuxcnc config
[15:23:17] <t12> i have not investigated, the limits are political not technical
[15:23:26] <roh> do you know what happened to the freecad cam module?
[15:23:54] <skunkworks> t12: ah
[15:24:03] <t12> its v annoying using other peoples equipment
[15:24:08] <t12> however much cheaper!
[15:24:17] <skunkworks> heh
[15:24:28] <t12> this is a university shop
[15:24:32] <t12> that more or less goes totally idle
[15:24:58] <t12> with professors nominally in charge, but the machines are mostly idle except me and 1-2 other people
[15:25:08] <t12> however most requests for change are interfered with
[15:26:07] <t12> the lathe is fortuantely free to mess with, as nobody in charge understands it and they seem generally scared of it
[15:27:42] <Tom_itx> manual or cnc?
[15:27:44] <AR__> wired up the motors
[15:27:45] <AR__> http://i.imgur.com/mgBeVEA.jpg
[15:27:49] <t12> manual
[15:27:56] <t12> maybe i'll convert it at some point
[15:28:11] <t12> need to finish getting it all tuned up at some point
[15:28:23] <t12> the same cutting oil was in the sump for... 30 years
[15:28:39] <t12> the sump is built into one of the cast legs
[15:28:47] <t12> it had hardened into block of like, solid wax
[15:37:42] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I am now for a bit
[15:39:47] <r00t4rd3d> AR__, did you modify your tb6560?
[15:40:08] <AR__> not yet
[15:40:32] <AR__> i've had it for a couple years now. I bought it when it cost like $70 :(
[15:41:43] <r00t4rd3d> i paid 40 for mine
[15:42:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Axis-TB6560-CNC-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-Board-/130532311197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6455009d
[15:42:59] <AR__> yup thats the one
[15:43:31] <AR__> by modify, do you mean the guy that added the inverter buffer?
[15:43:48] <r00t4rd3d> unless you modify them, they are slow but for a mill that probably wouldnt be bad
[15:44:10] <r00t4rd3d> i only can get 18ipm out of mine
[15:44:34] <AR__> you mean doing this?
[15:44:35] <AR__> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general_electronics_discussion/110986-how_i_fixed_my_chinese_tb6560_controller_updated.html
[15:44:38] <roh> r00t4rd3d: is there a description about the mod somewhere? i got such a board around and wanted to use it to set up a pcb mill
[15:45:05] <roh> ah. nice.
[15:45:09] <r00t4rd3d> AR__, yeah that, someone else around here does this all the time too
[15:45:14] <r00t4rd3d> Loetmichel i think
[15:45:19] <AR__> ah
[15:45:50] <r00t4rd3d> smd solder though
[15:46:19] <Loetmichel> what?
[15:46:29] <r00t4rd3d> are you the one that mods tb6560?
[15:46:38] <Loetmichel> i dont mod them
[15:46:42] <Loetmichel> i use them ;-)
[15:46:54] <r00t4rd3d> well change stuff to make them better/faster
[15:47:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR8uLMVKDkQ
[15:47:16] <Loetmichel> the only change these boards need: more voltage
[15:47:40] <AR__> i do remember i needed to replace one of the tb6560 chips like the week that i got it
[15:47:48] <AR__> i forget how, but I made one explode
[15:47:51] <Loetmichel> so power them with tha max of 35V (one volt headroom) that the Chips can hold.
[15:47:57] <Loetmichel> MUCH better than 24V
[15:48:07] <AR__> i think i use 27V
[15:48:31] <Loetmichel> AR__: beeb there, done that... multiple times... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12554
[15:49:05] <r00t4rd3d> i only have a 24v psu
[15:49:13] <AR__> LOL Loetmichel
[15:49:14] <r00t4rd3d> 24v/15A
[15:49:27] <Loetmichel> the tb6560 dont like: reverse voltage, spikes on supply above 36V and disconnect or flaky contacts of the motors while running
[15:49:40] <Loetmichel> otherwise they are fine for the money
[15:49:51] <JesusAlos> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators
[15:50:03] <AR__> yeah, I forget what I did
[15:50:20] <AR__> I either plugged in a motor while it was running or shorted a motor connection I think
[15:50:24] <JesusAlos> please, reference to integrate .py in linuxcnc?
[15:50:54] <r00t4rd3d> AR__, unplugging a motor while its powered blows stuff i guess on older boards
[15:51:05] <AR__> ah
[15:51:16] <AR__> yeah I make sure it is unplugged now when I touch it
[15:51:38] <ReadError> draw any pictures yet AR__?
[15:51:45] <AR__> replacing those chips is a bitch
[15:51:59] <AR__> i hate that package design
[15:52:02] <AR__> ReadError, nah
[15:52:16] <AR__> i gotta fine tune the configuration
[15:52:16] <r00t4rd3d> i would just buy a new one and use the old one for spare parts
[15:52:24] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: unplugging a running motor blows EVERY tb6560 board i.e: the tb6560 chip
[15:52:25] <ReadError> oh yea
[15:52:30] <Loetmichel> repeatable
[15:52:32] <ReadError> my dumb question
[15:52:38] <ReadError> emergency stop
[15:52:44] <AR__> lol
[15:52:44] <ReadError> are they normally open or normally closed?
[15:52:51] <AR__> closed i think
[15:52:52] <ReadError> i think mine is backwards ^_^
[15:52:55] <r00t4rd3d> Loetmichel, i thought i read on newer revisions they put in some protection for that
[15:53:29] <Jymmm> http://screen.yahoo.com/baby-elephant-plays-ocean-231138164.html
[15:54:24] <r00t4rd3d> couldnt you put something on the motor leads to prevent that?
[15:54:41] <r00t4rd3d> a fuse or resistor
[15:54:47] <DJ9DJ> gute nacht
[15:55:20] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: not in series
[15:56:20] <Loetmichel> i think a set of FAST diodes do sthe - and + suppy and a massive capacitor to store the inductive energy could help but i doubt it
[15:56:32] <Loetmichel> to the
[15:56:55] <r00t4rd3d> whats the electrical version of a one way check valve?
[15:56:57] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[15:57:56] <Loetmichel> a diode ;-)
[16:08:39] <Jymmm> a .22lr shell
[18:03:34] <gene__> Unreal, I got the wireless working first!
[18:05:34] <gene__> Its updating the first batch of 206 files w/update-manager, and I've already done the 3.5.7-xenomai install, but not rebooted to it yet
[18:14:11] <Jymmm> chopping wood with machete not fun =)
[18:14:58] <Tom_itx> better than chopping fingers
[18:15:13] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: what did you want earlier?
[18:15:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, are you familiar with andy's lathe setup?
[18:15:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: i dont think that would be fun either
[18:15:46] <Tom_itx> i was gonna see if you could load on of these files to see if it was oriented right
[18:16:00] <JT-Shop> no, not really... but I think it is std lathe
[18:16:06] <JT-Shop> ok
[18:16:13] <Tom_itx> they're either ok or 180 deg out
[18:16:19] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: unless you wanted finger sandwiches for lunch
[18:16:27] <Tom_itx> our tooling came in from the backside
[18:18:33] <Tom_itx> one tick.. gotta fix a server issue
[18:20:32] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, try loading one of these if you don't mind: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/andyp/
[18:21:03] <Tom_itx> they loaded ok on my sim
[18:21:15] <JT-Shop> ok, give me a few minutes
[18:21:24] <Tom_itx> if they do, i have a lathe cam working if you ever need it
[18:22:18] <Tom_itx> those are metric btw
[18:29:53] <gene__> Looks like a reinstall disaster. No grub, whats magic key to get grub?
[18:30:16] <JT-Shop> innerprofile needs a start point, it just cut through the middle of the part to get to the first path
[18:30:31] <Tom_itx> on a rapid?
[18:30:47] <gene__> Its trying the xenomai kernel, and failing to mount roor fs.
[18:30:48] <JT-Shop> yea
[18:30:52] <Tom_itx> i wondered about the return path, i haven't dealt with that on a lathe yet
[18:30:55] <JT-Shop> after the tool chane
[18:31:30] <Tom_itx> what if i split the X and Z on separate lines?
[18:31:31] <JT-Shop> looks strange going from the middle to the outside too
[18:31:41] <Tom_itx> middle to outside?
[18:31:53] <Tom_itx> it must be backward then
[18:31:58] <Tom_itx> that's what i was wondering
[18:32:06] <Tom_itx> it's not that way in the cam
[18:32:10] <JT-Shop> is it back tooling?
[18:32:26] <Tom_itx> which file did you load?
[18:32:33] <Tom_itx> i can post more after i fix it
[18:32:48] <JT-Shop> innerprofile
[18:32:52] <Tom_itx> ok
[18:33:03] <JT-Shop> I assumed it was cutting the center out
[18:33:05] <Tom_itx> so it's starting in the center?
[18:33:06] <Tom_itx> no
[18:33:12] <Tom_itx> i wondered about that
[18:33:35] <Tom_itx> lemme try a couple things here
[18:33:49] <JT-Shop> if it is an outside profile with front tooling it is backwards
[18:33:52] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna mirror it to see if that fixes it
[18:34:37] <gene__> Hey guys?
[18:35:55] <JT-Shop> hey gene__
[18:37:17] <gene__> yeah John
[18:37:39] <JT-Shop> you said hey first lol
[18:38:37] <gene__> I did the xenomai install on the lappy, total boot failure, whats magic key to bring up grub when it skips it & goes to first selection directly?
[18:39:55] <JT-Shop> dunno off hand
[18:40:10] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: chopping wood with machete not fun. using a folding saw more fun than machete and a whole lot less effort too
[18:40:51] <gene__> Neither do I but I've seen this error mentioned before.
[18:41:35] <zultron> gene__, is this your atom system with the SD card?
[18:41:47] <gene__> Just can't recall where but its in the ML archives I'll go look at after I feed the missus
[18:42:15] <gene__> No, lappy, 1.6ghz amd turion 64 bit
[18:42:31] <Jymmm> gene__: and not even gonna share with the rest of us?
[18:43:28] <gene__> And I don't have an SD card in either atom, both 250Gb hd's. And likely something from, Arby's Jymmm
[18:43:49] <Jymmm> gene__: Get the french dip
[18:44:03] <Jymmm> gene__: not too salty either
[18:44:27] <gene__> I'm diabetic, some of that stuff is wayyy too sweet, dammit :)
[18:44:44] <Jymmm> gene__: the au ju ?
[18:45:21] <gene__> probably, depends on Dee's thoughts on the subject.
[18:45:29] <Jymmm> ah
[18:45:48] <Jymmm> it comes with swiss cheese, but you can ask for cheddar or none at all
[18:46:01] <gene__> anyway, isn't there supposed to be a magic key that brings up the grub menu?
[18:46:22] <Valen> left shift for grub 2
[18:46:23] <JT-Shop> f***ing iphone crashes my windblows computer about every 5 times I plug it in... revenge of Steve Jobs I think
[18:46:29] <Valen> esc for grub 1 i believe
[18:46:42] <Jymmm> gene__: CTRL+ESC ?
[18:46:55] <Jymmm> or ALT+ESC
[18:47:02] <gene__> tried esc 3 or 4 times, ignored, lemmey try that jymmm
[18:48:18] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, would you rather have an inch file to look at?
[18:49:10] <gene__> neither of those work
[18:49:31] <zultron> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:49:46] <zultron> Says right shift.
[18:49:56] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: this is what you cut with... http://imagebin.org/247111
[18:50:10] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: it won't matter if you have the preamble correct
[18:50:20] <Tom_itx> ok
[18:50:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I don't think it'll fit in my backpack
[18:51:15] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i just posted a new one
[18:51:20] <Tom_itx> see what that looks like
[18:51:29] <Tom_itx> i haven't addressed the rapids yet
[18:51:37] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: do you have a pocket or folding version?
[18:51:47] <zultron> gene__: There are also settings in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d.
[18:52:09] <gene__> Fine, gotta get to them :(
[18:52:11] <zultron> Check the GRUB_TIMEOUT,
[18:52:16] <zultron> Can't boot at all?
[18:52:52] <Jymmm> gene__: Oh sorry, I read gnome menu. try F1, F2, F10 or DEL for grub menu
[18:53:06] <Valen> those are bios keys Jymmm
[18:53:15] <gene__> again, it doesn't get that far, .9 seconds in to booting the xenimai kernel, ok will do brb
[18:53:40] <Jymmm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845126
[18:53:42] <zultron> Sorry, haven't read all the backlog.
[18:56:30] <zultron> Sorry, gotta run & feed the kiddo
[18:57:14] <JT-Shop> one size fits all Jymmm
[18:57:28] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i posted a new file
[18:57:53] <Tom_itx> haven't addressed the rapids yet
[18:57:59] <Tom_itx> just working on orientation
[18:59:58] <JT-Shop> that makes more sense but it still made a rapid move though the middle of the part
[19:00:04] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:00:08] <Tom_itx> lemme work on that now
[19:00:28] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Then I need a Kids version =)
[19:00:40] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you started from x0 z0 right
[19:02:10] <JT-Shop> it started from where ever it was... never assume your anyplace make it go to a safe place first
[19:02:28] <Tom_itx> ok
[19:02:31] <gene__> No choices on keyboards in a phenoix bios. I reset to defaults, no change
[19:04:35] <gene__> The keyboard IS working, I can fill up the buffer & make the bios beep at me
[19:04:57] <gene__> I'd better go see about dinner, later & thanks guys
[19:05:07] <JT-Shop> good luck
[19:05:18] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, try that one
[19:05:26] <Tom_itx> i inserted a rapid point at the beginning
[19:06:24] <Tom_itx> i wonder if i need to change the rapid moves to 2 lines separating z and x
[19:06:30] <Tom_itx> througout the program
[19:07:27] <Valen> what acceleration do you guys use?
[19:07:30] <JT-Shop> that does seem to make more sense when running
[19:07:37] <Tom_itx> ok
[19:07:42] <JT-Shop> 10-20 times my velocity
[19:07:53] <Tom_itx> i've just never coded lathe with the cam
[19:08:01] <Valen> interesting
[19:08:02] <Tom_itx> yeah i'm not sure about that so much either
[19:08:14] <Tom_itx> i was gonna let him edit the feed and speed
[19:08:16] <JT-Shop> Valen: how so?
[19:08:26] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, the path looks better though?
[19:08:39] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: yes, it seems to work for me
[19:08:43] <Valen> never heard anybody actually express a rule of thumb before
[19:08:52] <Valen> finding machine accelerations seems rather hard
[19:09:05] <JT-Shop> that's just what it works out to
[19:09:23] <JT-Shop> I comparied all my machines one day and they all fell in that range
[19:09:23] <Valen> i mean published accelerations for other machines
[19:10:57] * JT-Shop goes inside to see if anything is cooking in the cocina
[19:11:11] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: grul
[19:17:24] <Tom_itx> thanks JT-Shop
[19:43:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, does lathe use the H word for length offset?
[19:45:00] <ReadError> is anyone in the USA interested in a good price on a lathe tool kit?
[19:45:03] <ReadError> i got it, never used it
[19:45:08] <ReadError> too big for my little lathe
[19:46:29] <archivist> get a bigger lathe then
[19:47:20] <ReadError> heh yea eventually
[19:47:25] <ReadError> 1 project at a time ;)
[19:47:29] <ReadError> my extrusions come tuesday
[20:03:10] <ReadError> scumbag estop
[20:03:15] <ReadError> is normally closed ^_^
[20:44:56] <skunkworks> scumbag estop?
[20:47:18] <ReadError> i got it working
[20:47:51] <skunkworks> estops are normally closed devices
[20:48:06] <r00t4rd3d> mine has both
[20:48:27] <r00t4rd3d> i can wire it nc or no
[20:48:51] <skunkworks> yes - most do. (but for failsafeishness you want NC)
[20:58:15] <pcw_home> Yeah you want a broken wire = ESTOP now rather than non working ESTOP
[21:24:10] <tjtr33> we called it a secrity link, any break in security link causes shutdown. the link was a bunch of NC contacts , one for each neccesary subsystem
[21:25:03] <tjtr33> the no contact can be used to identify the offending subsystem, or notify IFU
[21:25:20] <tjtr33> security
[23:02:33] <tjtr33> in gladevcp, if i change the title label of a frame, i loose the bold attribute set in the glade designer.
[23:02:39] <tjtr33> http://videobin.org/+6dw/79z.html
[23:02:40] <tjtr33> how to make the markup persistant?
[23:14:45] <tjtr33> answer: add the markup into the new string "<b>"+newtextstring+"</b>" :)
[23:15:19] <tjtr33> and check the 'use markup' box in glade designer