#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-02-16

[01:58:20] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:52:24] <b6> any gcodetools users know how to get it to pick better lead in/out points for plasma cutter?
[04:26:45] <archivist> b6 lurk and re ask in a few hours when more plasma users are awake
[04:27:03] <b6> archivist: ok, thanks.
[04:27:25] <archivist> although cncbasher also has plasma I think
[04:48:39] <mrsun> hmm is there any free good gear calculating program ?
[04:48:43] <mrsun> :P
[05:14:57] <archivist> depends what you want to calculate, I just use the calcs from the back of the HPC catalogue in a spreadsheet
[05:16:31] <archivist> http://www.hpcgears.com/technical.htm
[05:26:26] <cncbasher> b6:what problem are you experiencing ?
[05:27:12] <b6> cncbasher: sometimes the lead in/out points are really bad. like on a rectangle, it chose a corner, and the lead ins start outside the shape.
[05:28:10] <b6> i thought if i added a node to the middle of the longest line segment, it would choose that point instead, but it didn't.
[05:29:52] <cncbasher_> i'm not familiar with gcodetools .. however i tend to add an arc or line to extend a corner and select that as a start point
[05:30:07] <cncbasher_> have you tried sheetcam ?
[05:31:02] <b6> cncbasher_: no. i'm trying to generate some gcode programmatically. i've asked on the gcodetools forum. maybe they know.
[05:32:27] <cncbasher_> ok , i tend to draw profiles in dxf and use sheetcam , takes me 2 mins and the jobs done
[05:33:19] <cncbasher_> what are you trying to program , have you an example ?
[05:34:37] <b6> cncbasher_: my task is just arbitrary text -> g-code, no human intervention.
[05:36:53] <b6> i have a process. i think my only problem is just one detail of this plugin.
[05:36:57] <archivist> coding the human part is hard :)
[05:37:40] <cncbasher_> ok , i'll give it some thought , fonts can become a problem too
[05:39:44] <b6> i don't know much about cnc, but don't you pick a leadin spot by looking for 3 consecutive nodes that form a reasonably straight "line"? and the middle node is the leadin point?
[05:39:56] <b6> that seems intuitive to me. you don't want to pick sharp corners.
[05:40:19] <jthornton> you can use any point for entry with plasma
[05:41:22] <b6> hmm. but the leadin path should start inside the region you expect to throw away, right?
[05:41:31] <b6> otherwise you're scribbling on the good stuff.
[05:41:49] <cncbasher_> you need a lead in and a lead out so , say a 90 deg corner or use an arc in or out if on a curve etc
[05:42:03] <cncbasher_> yes correct
[05:42:08] <jthornton> yes you should use a lead in arc
[05:42:28] <b6> hmm, ok. i'll review the settings. maybe i told it to do something impossible.
[05:42:43] <cncbasher_> or you end up blasting a hole where you dont need or require one
[05:42:50] <jthornton> what is gcodetools?
[05:43:00] <cncbasher_> inkscape add on
[05:43:30] <jthornton> ah that thing Andy was fiddling with
[05:44:07] <cncbasher_> i have inkscape installed so if you need anything looking over just shout
[05:45:16] <jthornton> how do you add gcodetools to inkscape?
[05:45:54] <cncbasher_> copy the files to the extensions dir
[05:46:10] <cncbasher_> then restart inkscape
[05:47:29] <jthornton> ah Nick did that
[05:47:39] <cncbasher_> yea
[06:04:04] <jthornton> not very intuitive to use
[06:05:22] <cncbasher_> probably why i have left it alone , and stick with sheetcam
[06:05:50] <jthornton> yea, I use sheetcam too
[06:28:15] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/246921
[06:28:21] <b6> http://i.imgur.com/fL3i5Sa.png "h" looks ok to me, but the other two characters look bad.
[06:29:32] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/246922
[06:29:51] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/246923
[06:30:59] <jthornton> b6 I assume you want to cut the inside of the letters out...
[06:31:06] <b6> right.
[06:40:05] <cpresser_> b6: you need to insert a point and set ist as starting point of the polyline
[06:41:34] <b6> cpresser_: yeah, but i have to do it through gcodetools, or some other programmable way. i can't do it manually. that's why i'm asking specifically about gcodetools.
[06:41:57] <b6> a good point for the "i" would be in one of the long sides, right?
[06:42:05] <b6> like, the middle.
[06:50:55] <cpresser_> yes. that would be a good point
[06:51:52] <cpresser_> if you want some CAM tool to automatically generate nice gcode, you have to input it with the correct vectors. in most cases this means a little hand editing
[07:27:32] <Icekiller> guys im not sure if i should go for a kress or a hf spindle like this one http://www.ebay.de/itm/220V-1-5kw-Water-Cooled-Spindle-Motor-With-1-5kw-Inverter-VFD-/330740901170?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item4d01b1a532&_uhb=1#ht_2598wt_1163
[07:27:43] <Icekiller> any recommendations price difference is like 60euro so
[07:28:51] <fragalot> Icekiller: I have that same dilemma
[07:29:02] <fragalot> the HF spindles are a LOT quieter than the kress
[07:29:38] <Icekiller> yeq
[07:29:47] <Icekiller> a friend of mine has the kress
[07:29:58] <Icekiller> we always leave the room when he uses it
[07:30:05] <fragalot> the only reason i'm not going for the HF spindle atm is because of the size of the freq. regulator
[07:30:08] <fragalot> lol
[07:51:23] <Icekiller> rofl
[07:51:27] <Icekiller> fragalot how big i sit actually
[08:03:37] <fragalot> don't know exactl
[08:03:46] <fragalot> but it looks like a standard size for freq controllers
[08:03:50] <fragalot> which is too big for my purposes
[08:03:51] <fragalot> :P
[08:16:29] <Icekiller> what you doing with it?
[08:34:04] <Jymmm> Icekiller: That's kind of personal don't you think?
[08:34:43] <Jymmm> What fragalot does behind closed doors is none of our business.
[09:01:55] <Gene34> anyone using a 7I29 mesa card?
[09:03:39] <archivist> ask the real question instead
[09:04:25] <Gene34> Im curios what type of power supply will work for this card
[09:06:16] <Gene34> Im curious if this will work? http://www.galco.com/buy/KB-Electronics/KBMM-225
[09:07:19] <Gene34> or if it is overkill and a standard regulated power supply will work, perferably with a pot to adjust voltage
[09:08:08] <archivist> that is not a power supply it is a motor drive
[09:10:18] <Gene34> can you confirm a regulated power supply will work?
[09:10:45] <archivist> probably dont need regulated
[09:13:27] <Gene34> do you know of a good source for a high voltage power supply?
[09:17:58] <archivist> I would have to google, I would probably make something with a transformer, rectifier and capacitor
[09:19:13] <Gene34> I do not have your skill, and have not seen a schematic or bill of material to create one.......
[09:19:30] <Gene34> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lambda-LUS-8-5-Power-Supply-30A-105-132VAC-130-160VDC-/280901645295?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41670af3ef
[09:23:33] <archivist> I do use a Lambda psu for my stepper machine, well known make, good, I just am a little untrusting of that listing, picture shows scratches and seller claims new
[09:24:02] <archivist> and am unsure of its output voltage, I think that is 5 volt
[09:24:07] <Gene34> what is your background?
[09:26:16] <archivist> electronics
[09:26:52] <Gene34> the pot on the image implies a 5vdc resolution with 5% change
[09:27:10] <Gene34> how many dc powersupplies have you made
[09:28:33] <archivist> hmm, really dont have a count
[09:29:11] <archivist> one design could be 2500 off, others 1
[09:32:40] <Gene34> I will throw some money your way to create a bill of material, diagram for trasformer, rectifie and capacitor powersupply
[09:34:18] <archivist> there are many designs on the net
[09:36:29] <archivist> that Lambda seller has got the output current in his advert wrong too it is 3.0 not 30 amps out
[09:39:06] <Gene34> good catch and figured it would need 220vac input for that output amperage. Anyway, yes there are many schematics on the net, and I am weak at best trying to make an isolated power supple, let alone identifying parts to purchase....
[09:39:58] <archivist> I downloaded the lambda data sheet
[09:40:43] <Gene34> by default... using a transformer does make it isolated.... correct?
[09:40:56] <archivist> yes
[09:42:06] <Gene34> awesome! I learned one thing today. Thanks!
[09:42:39] <archivist> what country are you in anyway
[09:42:46] <Gene34> fyi... am an engineer... just not an electical one :(
[09:42:56] <Gene34> us
[09:43:01] <Gene34> you?
[09:45:44] <Gene34> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Systron-Donner-M7C160-15-Super-Mercury-Power-Supply-0-160V-0-15A-Power-Supply-/140861792112?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20cc045f70
[09:45:48] <archivist> bargain lambda item 370757822606 there is a 5v amongst the items
[09:47:18] <Tom_itx> could someone with a lathe see if this file loads ok? http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/andyp/
[09:49:45] <archivist> Gene34, that is a bit of a beast, a bit over the top for motor driving and probably 30 plus years old
[09:51:30] <pcw_home> If this is for the 7I29, The 7I29 is intended to be powered by a off line power supply (120V ---> Bridge rectifier --> LARGE electrolytic filter capacitor)
[09:52:07] <pcw_home> a regulated supply will likely cause drive failure
[09:52:40] <pcw_home> (as they will supply power but not absorb it)
[09:53:16] <Gene34> Hello pcw, it has been a couple years since we talked last. Thanks for your input.
[09:55:23] <Gene34> I do not have the skill to create a bill of materials, vendor P/N's, and understand many do not want to assist since there could be a liability. I have cash
[09:55:43] <archivist> after reading the 7i29 manual a bit more, it has the isolation you need
[09:55:43] <pcw_home> I really should make up a little power supply board with NTC surge protection/ bridge/ MOVs/chargedump relay
[09:55:46] <Gene34> please help
[09:56:17] <archivist> as long as you are in the usa on 110v :)
[09:57:24] <pcw_home> You can use a 240/120 control transformer if you only have 240
[09:57:28] <Gene34> hehehe I am comfortable and have wired several 220 outlets to several garages since all garages need a couple :) but I am faltering on this effort for dc supply
[09:58:44] <Gene34> can I throw some cash your way pcw to help in your efforts?
[10:01:19] <pcw_home> Its good to be cautious , we had a customer that blew up a couple 7I29 drives and finally gave up on our stuff
[10:01:21] <pcw_home> (his firts mistake was no output filter capacitor) its not rocket science but mistakes with power electronics will cause failure in microseconds
[10:02:34] <pcw_home> I will make a schematic/part list
[10:03:37] <Gene34> I can send money paypal or visa when you feel ready to release. Many thanks!
[10:03:55] <Gene34> I can also send it now in hopes you complete the effort also :)
[10:03:59] <pcw_home> You can use a transformer if you wish, it bigger/more expensive but make the motor power wiring safer if you accidentally come in contact with it
[10:05:17] <pcw_home> I'm supposed to be doing this for another customer anyway...
[10:06:38] <Gene34> I know you are spread thin...
[10:09:01] <Gene34> Thanks! I must go and attempt to enjoy this weekend
[10:10:11] <mikegg> http://pastebin.com/HmYmrPxv
[10:10:50] <mikegg> I have a thread, pid.0.command is nonzero, feedback is nonzero, pid.0.enable is true
[10:11:02] <mikegg> but the pid.0.output remains stuck at 0
[10:11:38] <mikegg> it's got to be something simple i've overlooked
[10:12:03] <pcw_home> 0 P gain?
[10:12:23] <pcw_home> addf?
[10:13:07] <mikegg> no, P gain is set to one, and the show thread indicates that the do-pid-calcs is hooked in right
[10:14:03] <mikegg> should time and max_time on show thread be non-zero?
[10:14:49] <mikegg> ahh
[10:14:52] <pcw_home> Yes
[10:14:54] <mikegg> forgot "start"
[10:16:03] <mikegg> huh, still non-zero
[10:23:14] <mikegg> well that's a little strange. but it's working
[10:23:48] <mikegg> I'm calling "show thread" from the hal file. time and max-time are both zero
[10:24:02] <pcw_home> I never messed with the threads module
[10:25:06] <pcw_home> does show thread show all threads?
[10:25:07] <mikegg> ok, if I fire up another terminal and do a haldcmd show thread, they are non-zero
[10:25:40] <mikegg> so I guess the thread hasn't quite got-going when you show thread in the halfile
[10:25:47] <mikegg> yes, only one thread
[10:26:17] <pcw_home> yeah show is a one time thing
[10:27:39] <pcw_home> I'm sort of surprised it does anything embedded in a hal file
[10:53:44] <JT-Shop> mikegg: use halmeter to monitor a hal value
[11:25:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what format do you use on arcs on your lathe?
[11:46:09] <JT-Shop> center
[12:00:46] <JT-Shop> for all arcs
[12:07:02] <Tom_itx> center and end
[12:07:11] <Tom_itx> I & K ?
[12:07:16] <Tom_itx> for lathe
[12:07:48] <Tom_itx> is that considered 'radius mode'?
[12:08:37] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#_center_format_arcs
[12:09:07] <Tom_itx> wanna try loading a file?
[12:09:15] <Tom_itx> it loaded in sim
[12:09:29] <Tom_itx> but i just used lines instead for arcs for now
[12:11:23] <Tom_itx> ok i'm pretty sure that's what i'm using... center format
[12:11:51] <Tom_itx> oops, gotta run..
[12:11:55] <jthornton> just heading to pick up the gang
[12:12:06] <jthornton> me too
[12:38:51] <mikegg> cool, I've got a temperature PID loop running through an arduino
[12:40:03] <mikegg> the temperature sensor is a little noisy or something. and if you peg the ADC it faults on divide by zero
[12:40:18] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[12:43:30] <mikegg> pcw_home: I did get a couple of V-F converters and some SMD breakout boards as a backup, like you said...
[12:45:20] <mikegg> using the arduino will make all the wiring & connections more easy I think.
[12:45:35] <mikegg> my electronics enclosure is already a mess..
[12:46:27] <mikegg> I need to bite the bullet and start buying amphenol connectors.
[12:48:43] <skunkworks> I am using the arduino to measure spindle temp.. seems to work quite well
[12:49:04] <skunkworks> (using jeplers hal/arduino interface)
[12:49:13] <mikegg> yeah, me too
[12:50:12] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-CdFd2Zakc&feature=share&list=UUHk52YjGT8HryRYmJKSl-lg
[12:51:48] <mikegg> man, that's slick
[12:52:15] <mikegg> I'm going to use it for a dual FDM extruder
[12:52:25] <mikegg> hopefully
[12:54:30] <mikegg> I need to tie in the step drivers. and not smoke both of them, this time
[12:55:13] <mikegg> I should go sacrifice a chicken first
[12:58:46] <skunkworks> neat
[12:59:49] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: NICE. bur only necessary for big spindles, am i right?
[13:00:33] <Loetmichel> i dont thing a 800W chinese HF spindle will enongate much when the Temperature goes up from 20°c to 35°c...
[13:00:47] <Loetmichel> (it doesent get warmer, watercooled)
[13:00:57] <Loetmichel> s/thing/think
[13:01:06] <skunkworks> On this old machine - the spindle sticks out from the ways about 12". so when it goes from room temp to 110 degres - the spindle grows about .003" or so
[13:01:10] <Loetmichel> *elongate
[13:01:28] <skunkworks> enough to be an annoyances...\
[13:01:36] <Loetmichel> my machine is not very big...
[13:02:07] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14040
[13:02:37] <seb_kuzminsky> ooohh, shiny! http://denver.craigslist.org/bfd/3601296380.html
[13:02:39] <archivist> small machine trying to make something to .0003" may need temperature compensation
[13:02:57] <Loetmichel> i dont think it will deform much mti the 10 or so degeees celsius ith heats up
[13:13:34] <mrsun> http://www.maskinisten.net/userpix/929_from_the_end_1.jpg that must be the least rigid solution ive ever seen :P
[13:16:55] <archivist> that has to be screaming
[13:19:38] <L84Supper> what if you're going for a rough finish? Seems perfect
[13:22:00] <archivist> I remember the noise from a job I did :)
[13:22:49] <pcw_home> Yeah thats how do you get that special chatter finish
[13:23:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI1_HYH74h4#t=12m17s
[13:42:05] <skunkworks> I guess - if the lathe bead isn't long enough
[13:42:13] <skunkworks> you do what you can do
[13:59:19] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ci_slmRFEc
[13:59:28] <Jymmm> Seriously?! PHUK THAT!
[14:16:29] <mrsun> https://plus.google.com/photos/112857503660532884288/albums/5845629767575099665 beginnings of my ball turning attachment of the lathe =)
[14:25:07] <mrsun> what i dont get is the location of the 0 mark on the cross slide ...
[14:25:26] <mrsun> makes it quite impossible to set angles that you can see what you set it to or not have to lean over the lathe
[16:17:37] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:55:29] <Jymmm> THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F-8KH18ZMqQ#!
[17:03:06] <micges> scary
[17:04:38] <skunkworks> I don't think that is quite real
[17:04:52] <skunkworks> (like I think that is a valcano basin or such)
[17:06:36] <micges> possible
[17:07:07] <micges> scary is that 5h later it would hit my area
[17:09:17] <tjtr33> its all because of global warming, those were heat seeking meteors
[17:09:38] <micges> haha
[17:14:37] <Jymmm> 6ft of snow and ice is heat seeking???
[17:15:03] <cradek> mass-seeking
[17:16:18] <r00t4rd3d> i dont see what church has to do with it
[18:21:51] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca7xQYwzQ80&feature=player_embedded
[18:43:06] <r00t4rd3d> nascar!
[18:44:06] <ReadError> order your collets yet?
[18:46:36] <Tom_itx> wow i think i'm finally gettin a handle on the lathe package
[18:47:06] <Tom_itx> by itself it's simple but when you import files from a milling package all the axis are screwed up
[18:59:04] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, no
[18:59:24] <r00t4rd3d> broke
[19:24:58] <tjb1> Hi fellas
[19:25:56] <ReadError> just the man i needed to bother
[19:26:05] <ReadError> how did you tension your R&P drive belts?
[19:26:14] <ReadError> like i know using a clamp
[19:26:19] <ReadError> but how did you decide how tight
[19:26:41] <tjb1> as tight as I could get them
[19:26:49] <tjb1> infact I am buying springs right now to keep them right
[19:26:51] <tjb1> *tight
[19:27:13] <tjb1> www.mcmaster.com/#9271K635
[19:27:35] <ReadError> hows that gonna go on the belt?
[19:28:03] <tjb1> uh let me see if i can get picture
[19:30:17] <ReadError> i was worried if i had them too tight the motors would have too much drag/shred up the belts
[19:32:16] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2zyydueviipahm/Screen%20Shot%202013-02-16%20at%208.17.58%20PM.png
[19:32:31] <tjb1> Im not sure if I want 270 or 360
[19:35:16] <tjb1> What do you think?
[19:45:21] <ReadError> ohhh
[19:45:27] <ReadError> i mean on your CRP ones
[19:46:59] <tjb1> Oh lol
[19:47:19] <tjb1> as tight as I could get them by hand
[20:13:49] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: after using torque on the way home
[20:13:55] <tjb1> im gonna have to dash mount mine
[20:41:50] <mrsun> Jymmm, ye that is not from a meterite, thats the gates of hell or whatever its called :P
[20:43:42] <mrsun> the hole of gas lit on fire and still burning somewhere in turky or wahtever it is :P
[20:44:41] <mrsun> kinda giveaway that it has flat sides... like thousands of cubic meters just have gone away :P
[20:48:38] <mrsun> "door to hell" it was
[20:53:09] <AR__> oh man
[20:53:22] <AR__> I think I'm about done with my cnc mill
[20:53:51] <AR__> >that feel when you put on motors and see controlled motion
[20:54:03] <mrsun> done ? :P
[20:54:25] <AR__> lol
[20:54:34] <AR__> uploading pics
[20:55:05] <mrsun> i started my cnc like 5 or 6 years ago
[20:55:12] <mrsun> i never get done :P
[20:55:22] <mrsun> sure it works ... but its not perfected :P
[20:56:10] <AR__> true
[20:56:17] <AR__> oh mine still needs plenty of improvements
[20:56:30] <AR__> but the basic machine is together finally
[20:56:32] <AR__> http://i.imgur.com/ExOg6bh.jpg
[20:56:47] <AR__> (disregard how the Z motor looks like it is falling over)
[20:57:15] <mrsun> omg the Z motor is falling over!
[20:57:18] <AR__> lol
[20:57:32] <mrsun> yeah, always fun to see stuff move =)
[20:57:56] <AR__> well, to be honest i honely powered up the Z to make sure the motor could lift it
[20:57:58] <AR__> and it does
[20:58:07] <AR__> only*
[20:58:13] <AR__> wtf weird typo
[20:58:18] <mrsun> :P
[20:58:25] <mrsun> still, something moved :P
[20:58:31] <AR__> yeah
[20:58:41] <mrsun> what size motor is it ?
[20:58:52] <mrsun> power that is :P
[20:58:56] <mrsun> not frame
[20:59:02] <AR__> i think only like 160 oz-in
[20:59:25] <mrsun> i use 1.8Nm motors for lifting cast iron head with a hanging 0.5kw motor on it without a problem =)
[20:59:25] <AR__> yeah 166
[20:59:33] <mrsun> gah oz-in ...
[20:59:41] <mrsun> two of the worst measurments in the world .. combined!
[21:00:07] <AR__> yeah
[21:00:16] <mrsun> oh 1.17Nm
[21:00:17] <AR__> 166oz-in is 1.1722176043327799 Nm
[21:00:20] <mrsun> :P
[21:00:23] <AR__> lol
[21:00:48] <mrsun> i want to upgrade my motors to the biggest i can get in nema23 frame
[21:00:49] <AR__> yeah, stepper motors are pretty powerful little things at low speeds
[21:01:07] <mrsun> to make sure i have the power and not lose steps
[21:01:10] <AR__> yeah
[21:01:22] <mrsun> or i have to put on an encoder
[21:01:39] <mrsun> got one hole in the table so far ...
[21:01:46] <mrsun> due to lost steps in the Z+ :P
[21:02:04] <mrsun> then plunged straight down into the table with a 4mm carbide cutter .... needless to say it didnt stop or break
[21:02:07] <tjb1> ReadError: so do you have all the pieces now?
[21:02:17] <AR__> haha
[21:02:19] <ReadError> tjb1, extrusions be here tuesday
[21:02:26] <ReadError> so i been doing all the other stuff
[21:02:34] <tjb1> pro?
[21:02:36] <AR__> well that's pretty impressive in a way, mrsun
[21:02:36] <mrsun> and i have no E-stop button :P
[21:02:36] <ReadError> only thing left is to finish up my power box and do the Z axis
[21:02:37] <AR__> lol
[21:02:39] <ReadError> yea i went pro
[21:02:45] <ReadError> 15$ upgrade
[21:02:49] <tjb1> got pics?
[21:03:01] <ReadError> well its just all scattered across my table right now
[21:03:08] <mrsun> but got it stopped a bit into the table atlast by panic smashing the screen with my body
[21:03:31] <tjb1> I have my pendant
[21:03:40] <AR__> lool
[21:04:35] <ReadError> AR__, put a sharpie on it
[21:04:35] <ReadError> and draw!
[21:05:15] <ReadError> thats how i learned to touchoff and stuff
[21:05:24] <tjb1> I need a way to mark the letters on my rubber buttons on the pendant
[21:05:27] <tjb1> sharpie rubs off :(
[21:05:37] <ReadError> label maker ?
[21:06:03] <tjb1> There is raised letter
[21:06:05] <tjb1> lettering
[21:06:13] <tjb1> Its just the same color as the button...
[21:06:46] <AR__> lol ReadError
[21:06:59] <ReadError> srs AR__
[21:07:00] <ReadError> do it
[21:07:09] <AR__> tjb1, scratch off the paint on the raised letter
[21:07:18] <tjb1> Its solid rubber
[21:07:21] <AR__> oh
[21:07:23] <tjb1> solid white rubber
[21:07:41] <tjb1> I dont know if paint will stick or not but thats the next try
[21:07:43] <AR__> memorize them
[21:07:54] <tjb1> paint glass real heavy and just lay the button on the glass
[21:08:05] <mrsun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F-8KH18ZMqQ#! vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGHxVW1NbrQ anyone see any similiarites? :P
[21:08:24] <ReadError> tjb1, did you get the one from kickstarter?
[21:08:28] <tjb1> yes
[21:08:32] <AR__> tjb1, or paint the whole button and rub off the raised letter
[21:08:39] <AR__> which one from kickstarter
[21:08:42] <AR__> how much did it cost
[21:08:44] <tjb1> jogit
[21:08:49] <ReadError> the bastard didnt put labels on it?
[21:08:50] <tjb1> $60 i think
[21:08:52] <ReadError> bum
[21:09:21] <tjb1> Im going to put USB at each end of my extrusions
[21:09:25] <tjb1> so I can just plug it in anywhere
[21:09:26] <AR__> bleh
[21:09:47] <tjb1> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651082654/jog-it-open-source-controller-pendant-for-emc2-and
[21:11:17] <tjb1> Well I know they arent urethane
[21:13:12] <ReadError> do you have a label maker ?
[21:13:18] <ReadError> they are cheap and useful if not
[21:13:33] <AR__> oh god
[21:13:36] <AR__> $60 for that?
[21:13:42] <AR__> what's so special about it?
[21:14:03] <tjb1> Nothing really
[21:14:24] <ReadError> useful for a big router/plasma though
[21:14:29] <tjb1> ReadError: http://www.amazon.com/Sunon-40x40x20mm-pin-fan-KDE1204PKVX/dp/B006ODM76C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[21:14:34] <tjb1> Gonna put two of those on the printer
[21:14:54] <ReadError> tjb1, I run a giant 230mm fan ;)
[21:14:56] <ReadError> thing moves some air
[21:14:59] <tjb1> These mount to the X cariage itself
[21:15:05] <ReadError> yea
[21:15:54] <tjb1> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23060
[21:18:12] <tjb1> ReadError: Can you find a USB plug on amazon that like snaps in a hole or something
[21:18:21] <ReadError> tjb1, print one ;)
[21:18:37] <tjb1> Well I need the plug too...
[21:18:37] <ReadError> and use a USB extension cable
[21:18:47] <ReadError> i got a 15' usb extender cable
[21:19:38] <tjb1> I suppose...
[21:19:56] <tjb1> Im going to put 4 plugs on it that go into a usb hub then to the comp
[21:20:03] <tjb1> plug the pendant in anywhere
[21:22:03] <ReadError> why not just 1 extension cable where you can walk all the way around
[21:22:07] <ReadError> 4 seems like an overkill
[21:22:26] <tjb1> because I want a port at each end
[21:22:29] <tjb1> lol
[21:22:29] <ReadError> at most 2
[21:22:30] <ReadError> 1 on each end
[21:22:39] <ReadError> your table is 4' wide ?
[21:22:50] <tjb1> about 6
[21:23:00] <ReadError> so yea that would give you plenty of room to move with it
[21:23:04] <tjb1> it cuts a sheet 4' wide
[21:24:45] <tjb1> You know...
[21:24:53] <tjb1> I could do this at all 4 corners for $6 more
[21:30:32] <tjb1> Ok just 2 ends...
[21:36:31] <tjb1> any other questions about it ReadError ?
[21:36:51] <ReadError> still bummed he didnt put labels on the keys ;/
[21:38:24] <tjb1> You got one of those?
[21:38:33] <ReadError> nah
[21:38:55] <tjb1> Ill try paint here soon...
[21:39:27] <ReadError> what about the industrial sharpie ?
[21:39:37] <ReadError> saw them at lowes today
[21:40:23] <tjb1> Industrial?
[21:40:34] <ReadError> yea
[21:40:37] <ReadError> they make industrial sharpies now
[21:41:30] <ReadError> http://www.staples.com/Sharpie-Industrial-Extra-Fine-Point-Permanent-Marker-Black-Each/product_752063?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:752063&KPID=752063
[21:41:35] <tjb1> I dont think that is much different
[21:42:02] <tjb1> I need fat tip
[21:42:02] <ReadError> they make them in both
[21:42:06] <ReadError> lowes has the normal ones
[21:42:15] <tjb1> Ill try paint
[21:42:17] <tjb1> Cheaper
[21:42:29] <ReadError> got a pic of it?
[21:42:34] <ReadError> the finished product version
[21:42:44] <tjb1> ill get you one tomorrow
[21:42:48] <tjb1> phone = internet at home
[21:43:53] <ReadError> you on that 4g tho aint you?
[21:44:03] <tjb1> yes
[21:44:13] <tjb1> but phone cant move or I lose internet
[22:54:46] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:16:43] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: I ordered a dash mount
[23:16:43] <tjb1> $12
[23:29:34] <r00t4rd3d> is it crap?
[23:31:10] <r00t4rd3d> the ram mount is really nice
[23:31:56] <tjb1> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M8ST36/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[23:33:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-tab-tite-small-tablet-suction-cup-mount.html
[23:34:07] <tjb1> yeah $60 vs $12
[23:35:00] <r00t4rd3d> you get what you pay for
[23:35:41] <r00t4rd3d> https://secure.highpointscientific.com/c=q1jtNo9RaG3Wk8FGrNx5Ms1dG/s=www.highpointscientific.com/product/ORI-52096/Orion-Mounting-Bracket-for-iPadTablets-52096.html
[23:36:00] <tjb1> I look rich?
[23:36:58] <r00t4rd3d> the orion is only 34
[23:37:14] <tjb1> 34 > 12
[23:37:39] <tjb1> get your router running yet?
[23:37:39] <r00t4rd3d> cheap suction cup, crappy grip, corner.
[23:37:50] <r00t4rd3d> nope
[23:38:17] <tjb1> why the hell not
[23:38:51] <r00t4rd3d> waiting for it to warm up some
[23:39:33] <r00t4rd3d> been working on my bicycle
[23:40:14] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/XuDOhIr.jpg
[23:41:07] <tjtr33> you get popeye arms polishing that much
[23:42:29] <r00t4rd3d> i took the whole thing apart and cleaned the fucked up chinese casting
[23:44:38] <tjtr33> looks nice, you gonna powder coat it? keep it shiny?
[23:44:52] <r00t4rd3d> nah, they dont last long enough
[23:45:39] <r00t4rd3d> this one might though, its a Grubee
[23:45:45] <tjtr33> i read a rough surface cooled better, turbulation at the surface
[23:46:04] <tjtr33> better heat transfer
[23:49:13] <r00t4rd3d> I got about 1000 miles out of my last engine
[23:50:49] <tjtr33> thats great! i got <300 on mine and its too cold to ride now at 12deg