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[00:00:22] <Valen> oh
[00:00:37] <Connor> and new egg doesn't have the d525 atom board anymore.
[00:00:46] <Valen> sounds like it could be a ways off though
[00:01:02] <Valen> I'll wager most of the other manufacturers boards will perform in a similar fashion
[00:01:25] <Connor> Yea, just sucks. I liked the board. :) I need to get another one..
[00:01:31] <Connor> some on ebay..
[00:01:32] <Valen> yeah same
[00:01:57] <Valen> He also noted that desktop motherboards with new core logic supporting Haswell will be offered by Intel, and and will be sold throughout Haswell’s life. This means new Intel motherboards will remain on the market for roughly 18 months after the new CPU ships, with warranty support continuing beyond that period.
[00:53:05] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[00:57:08] <r00t4rd3d> go back to bed.
[00:59:06] <r00t4rd3d> Connor, the 525 is already listed as "end of life"
[00:59:08] <r00t4rd3d> http://ark.intel.com/products/48952/Intel-Desktop-Board-D525MW
[01:00:10] <r00t4rd3d> the prices should drop soon
[01:02:51] <r00t4rd3d> or become rare and skyrocket
[01:03:11] <r00t4rd3d> a couple other manufactures make clones of the same thing though too
[01:30:56] <r00t4rd3d> there is better intel atom boards out now anyway
[01:36:00] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121643
[01:36:08] <r00t4rd3d> "Free Etch-A-Sketch with purchase, limited offer "
[01:36:12] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[01:36:33] <r00t4rd3d> eww its a special Intel edition too
[01:36:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16800995144
[01:37:21] <r00t4rd3d> in 50 years that will probably be worth big cash
[01:40:09] <Valen> keep it mint in box ;->
[01:40:34] <r00t4rd3d> yeah for sure, box looks sweet too
[01:41:05] <r00t4rd3d> makes me wanna the motherboard just for the etch a sketch
[01:41:13] <r00t4rd3d> wanna buy*
[01:41:51] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, can I get them credit card numbers again ?
[01:43:36] <r00t4rd3d> Bubba: What yous in four? Me: I carded a motherboard for the free etch-a-sketch.
[01:53:48] <Tecan> holy shit newegg has 17 tracking cookies
[01:54:39] <Tecan> probably a deal on etchasketch because the inventor just died
[02:27:48] <L84Supper> http://www.ohioart.com/etch/virtual_popup.jsp
[02:28:14] <L84Supper> http://www.ohioart.com/lets_sketch.jsp
[02:30:04] <L84Supper> I hear that if you hook up motors to the knobs and use CNC software you can automate it :)
[02:33:08] <Tecan> you should really use /away instead of changing the nick
[02:45:29] <archivist> L84Supper,
http://axis.unpythonic.net/etchcnc
[02:46:25] <archivist> also in servo version
http://emergent.unpythonic.net/projects/01142347802
[03:00:16] <L84Supper> archivist: has it really been 8 years since he posted that?
[04:19:15] <archivist_herron> L84Supper, time flies :)
[07:36:26] <gene_> G'Morning all;
[07:37:58] <gene_> Probably silly Q: One both the mill and the lathe, the VEL= report is missing. Is it gone for good, or can I put a line in the .ini files to restore it?
[07:39:17] <gene_> Probably silly Q: On (damn typus') both the mill and the lathe, the VEL= report is missing. Is it gone for good, or can I put a line in the .ini files to restore it?
[07:45:00] <cpresser> gene_:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui/axis.html#_menu_items
[07:45:09] <cpresser> "show velocity" :)
[07:46:44] <gene_> Is a menu selection nowadays? Kewl!
[07:47:43] <jthornton> and the menu selection is remembered...
[07:48:10] <gene_> Except its checked, but not working. ?
[07:48:26] <frallzor> hey there Mr jthornton
[07:48:53] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/245798
[07:49:01] <jthornton> hi frallzor
[07:49:27] <frallzor> wanna help me?
[07:49:48] <frallzor> Im baking bread and wanna go outside, watch my bread for me!
[07:50:09] <jthornton> mmmm bread
[07:50:15] <frallzor> ciabattas =)
[07:50:51] <gene_> Morning John Anyway that image is the old gui, I'm on the devel branch, mine is much busier a display.
[07:51:14] <jthornton> ah french bread
[07:51:21] <jthornton> morning Gene
[07:51:29] <frallzor> Italian
[07:51:32] <frallzor> even
[07:51:37] <jthornton> not using Axis?
[07:51:42] <frallzor> ciabatta is the italian word for "slipper"
[07:52:16] <jthornton> the photo looks like french bread from New Orleans used to make po-boys
[07:52:43] <jthornton> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciabatta
[07:52:49] <frallzor> Id guess many breads look alike =)
[07:53:34] <jthornton> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%27_boy
[07:54:07] <frallzor> ciabattas with some roastbeef, sallad and remoulade sauce and roasted onion.... mmmmmmmm
[07:54:31] <jthornton> better make more than one...
[07:54:50] <frallzor> made 6 =P
[07:55:35] <frallzor> https://vimeo.com/59098756 did you see this? =P
[07:55:40] <frallzor> Was bored yesterday
[07:56:34] <jthornton> nice!
[07:56:40] <gene_> http://imagebin.org/245799
[07:57:29] <jthornton> yikes! why even have a back plot with all that stuff in there?
[07:57:58] <jdh> did you make or buy the touch off probe?
[07:58:08] <gene_> Notice no VEL. Damned if I know John, I have no clue how that stuff got there
[07:58:55] <frallzor> jdh buy
[07:59:04] <frallzor> cheapo from cnc-plus.de
[07:59:27] <frallzor> better than a solid plate atleast =)
[07:59:32] <gene_> I'd snapshot the mill, 4 axis, but its running on its own screen ATM.
[08:00:06] <jthornton> this is what I'm working on
http://imagebin.org/245800
[08:00:26] <frallzor> ohhh fancy
[08:00:32] <frallzor> share when done? =P
[08:00:45] <jthornton> you bet
[08:01:11] <frallzor> seems like a simple touchy without the need for physical buttons
[08:01:16] <jthornton> I always share my toys... but not my tools :) unless I trust you with them
[08:01:33] <jthornton> it is a touch screen but not a touchy
[08:01:53] <frallzor> axis gone touchy? =)
[08:02:25] <jthornton> more like JT gone touchy
[08:02:40] <gene_> That would be a switch, but I could get used to it.
[08:02:46] <frallzor> whats left to do on that? b
[08:02:53] <frallzor> bunch of coding I guess
[08:03:24] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/245803
[08:03:47] <jthornton> yea, I'm working with Dewey getting pyngcgui to work with it at the moment
[08:04:29] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/245805
[08:04:56] <frallzor> inder diameter tapering I guess? =)
[08:05:03] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/245806
[08:05:16] <jthornton> yea, anything you want to do almost
[08:05:34] <frallzor> I miss my machine
[08:05:41] <gene_> Neat, now to hook it all up ;-)
[08:05:49] <frallzor> I should remove the 4 tires on its bed so I can machine =P
[08:13:32] <gene_> John, found it, turn off "show extents" Much nicer display. I don't recall turning it on.. Oldtimers? Probably.
[08:15:06] <jthornton> might be default or something till you turn it off
[08:16:36] <gene_> And it wasn't extents, it was offsets. Anyway, fixed. Thanks for the prompt.
[08:16:46] <jthornton> np
[08:18:02] * jthornton heads out to greet the new day
[08:18:34] <gene_> I'll go get some pix of the new screw in the lathe later this morning. Its a kluge in the grand meaning of the word, but its better than before.
[08:43:22] <Tecan> http://www.phonelosers.org/media/dealership_old_man02.mp3
[09:01:23] <frallzor> hail/snowing
[09:01:25] <frallzor> booooh
[09:43:52] * frallzor is bored
[09:45:59] <archivist_herron> boredom you can afford by Cyril Lord, Im bored, ....Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band 1960's or possibly 70's
[09:47:11] <archivist_herron> 1967
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgMI0BObEXI
[09:51:38] <l3wood> Hello. trying to run LinuxCNC 10.04 LiveCD and it is asking for a username and password when booting. Anyone know what the username and password are for the LiveCD? Thanks!
[09:53:16] <archivist_herron> you are creating them when you install
[09:53:45] <jdh> try user: ubuntu, no pass.
[09:53:54] <mrsun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Z-ewg8su4DY deathmachine anyone ?
[09:54:58] <l3wood> jdh >> didn't work
[09:55:39] <jdh> seems like it was something obvious, but that's about all I remember.
[09:55:48] <l3wood> archivist herron >> first boot of LiveCD it goes to login screen, I have not installed anything yet
[09:56:09] <jdh> do you actually want to run the live cd, or install?
[09:56:50] <skunkworks> l3wood, that normally doesn't happen.... Is it a text screen?
[10:00:24] <l3wood> skunkworks>> No, it is the same screen you would see if you tried to log out of ubuntu, and log back in. I will check the MD5 of the burned disk, and see if it is a bad burn maybe???
[10:01:09] <skunkworks> maybe - I don't know - I have booted the livecd many many times and never had it come to a logoin
[10:01:22] <skunkworks> login screen
[10:03:14] <l3wood> I'll try to reburn the disk. I have never seen a liveCD login screen either, unless I log out and then log back in, and then it is always user> ubuntu password> none
[10:41:15] <r00t4rd3d> is the login screen just a black background with a prompt like GRUB>
[10:49:08] <JT-Shop> crap all my links are borked in my G code quick reference...
[10:51:33] <frallzor> ahhh finally, remote start for the shop vac!
[11:07:53] <anonimas1> archivist_herron: I found the problem with my tailstock
[11:08:05] <anonimas1> the alignment blocks are worn.
[11:08:53] <anonimas1> archivist_herron: so it moves 0.10 everytime you pull it to slide it
[11:09:20] <anonimas1> I have new ones just gotta scrape them into a super tight fit
[11:21:29] <anonimas1> archivist_herron: tho as I have the tailstock off, I'll add wipers, and maybe drill a oil hole or two,
[11:21:40] <archivist> :0
[11:21:52] <archivist> just got back home
[11:22:28] <anonimas1> archivist: I figured my problem, and I am working on a solution, tho the base is a bit worn/scratched, not much tho(not enough to cause problems)
[11:22:55] <anonimas1> just scraped off the burrs on the inside of the v, so it wont scrape the bed of the lathe..
[11:23:06] <anonimas1> there was one from a chip being stuck
[11:23:57] <archivist> I was thinking later you should have been able to feel the chip/whatever causing it to not sit tight on the v
[11:24:16] <anonimas1> it werent stuck there anymore it sits tight
[11:24:25] <anonimas1> the problem were the alignment pegs for the x adjustment
[11:24:38] <anonimas1> 0.10mm of play from them being worn
[11:25:30] <anonimas1> the so basically it pivots everytime that you move it
[11:25:32] <archivist> hammer them so they fit the slots :)
[11:26:22] <anonimas1> haha yeah that's a great plan
[11:26:26] <archivist> had to "jump up" some clock bits that were worn thin :)
[11:26:52] <anonimas1> I'd rather make new ones, and scrape them until they are good enough
[11:27:35] <anonimas1> if I had a grinder it'd be a quick fix.
[11:28:10] <anonimas1> facemilling something square to better then 0.002mm is not so damn easy
[11:28:59] <anonimas1> :/
[11:32:24] * anonimas1 reads a thread about a new haas lathe
[11:32:52] <anonimas1> they are talking how holding 0.0003" over 2 days is amazing.
[11:33:48] <anonimas1> a 20 year old okuma or mori seiki would kick it's ass. :/
[11:33:52] <archivist> how many part made...2
[11:34:55] <anonimas1> that's almost 0.01mm :S
[11:35:17] <anonimas1> 0.0076mm over 2 days..
[11:36:11] <archivist> but if they only made two parts one on each day...
[11:36:36] <anonimas1> true
[11:36:37] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4b4DfRli_c << switchfoot - war inside reminds me of you guys
[11:36:50] <anonimas1> it's still pretty crappy
[11:38:46] <anonimas1> I ran 250 parts out of plastic they were within 0.002mm off the lathe..
[11:39:38] <anonimas1> tho they screwed up after they started to absorb moisture, as they were nylon instead of acetal :D
[11:39:48] <anonimas1> supplier screw-up
[11:41:11] <anonimas1> (on a sidenote it's funny how a new machine has shittier specs then a really old one)
[11:41:37] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/130843317449
[11:41:50] <Connor> look what I won on ebay. :)
[11:42:13] <anonimas1> neat
[11:47:12] <syyl_ws> hrhr
[11:47:31] <syyl_ws> i thought right now "2/1000 on plastic parts?"
[11:47:43] <Connor> jthornton: What GUI is that? That touchy with Germlin ?
[11:47:43] <syyl_ws> and then read the part with "absorbed moisture"
[11:47:44] <syyl_ws> :D
[11:48:30] <jdh> connor: nice score
[11:48:49] <Connor> jdh: Yea.. I showed you already! :) But.. Got it with no other bidders. :)
[11:48:50] <skunkworks> Connor, a gui that JT-Shop has been working on
[11:48:52] <archivist> its the way plastic expands while being machined that is really fun
[11:49:16] <Connor> I've tried adding Gremlin to Touchy with very little success.. :(
[11:50:31] <anonimas1> syyl_ws: well, it was supposed to be +/- 0.02mm so, no problems there.
[11:50:47] <JT-Shop> yo, someone holler?
[11:50:58] <Connor> (12:35:57 PM) skunkworks: Connor, a gui that JT-Shop has been working on
[11:51:13] <skunkworks> Connor, there is an example with with a tool path display in touchy
[11:51:18] <skunkworks> I think it is under glade
[11:51:22] <skunkworks> iirc
[11:51:39] <Connor> skunkworks: I've looked.. it's not in the sim..
[11:51:54] <skunkworks> no - I think it is under the glade examples
[11:52:20] <Connor> JT-Shop: Now that I've got a touch screen coming (
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130843317449) looking for touch screen friendly interface..
[11:52:36] <Connor> jthornton had a few image bin links to one.. looked nice.
[11:53:00] <jdh> I want a Do-What-I-Want interface
[11:53:01] <frallzor> im pretty sure theyre the same =P
[11:53:03] <JT-Shop> gscreen is pretty stable, mine has a ways to go and it a different layout
[11:53:40] <Connor> http://imagebin.org/245800 <-- is yours ?
[11:54:06] <Connor> Oh, and my keyboard has 24 Function keys.. not sure I can use them all.. but.. it has them. :)
[11:54:35] <JT-Shop> aye tis mine
[11:55:55] <JT-Shop> the small tabs are only for programming and will not be there in use
[11:56:10] <JT-Shop> the big buttons swap tabs
[11:56:38] <Connor> JT-Shop: The Manaul/RUn/Program/Subs tabs ?
[11:56:42] <frallzor> valentines gift, small cute decorative thingie, or a small table?
[11:57:07] <JT-Shop> yes
[11:57:48] <Connor> gscreen looks interesting.. where do I find it ?
[11:57:57] * JT-Shop heads for the cocina for a dog
[11:58:02] <JT-Shop> master
[11:58:14] <JT-Shop> see the GUI section of the forum
[11:58:55] <JT-Shop> Chris has a lot of intrest in i
[11:58:56] <JT-Shop> t
[12:00:33] <Connor> I hate trying to find stuff in threads...
[12:00:49] <Connor> I found his thread.. but.. Is the links on the very first page the most recent ?
[12:04:52] <r00t4rd3d> read to the end and find out
[12:04:54] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[12:07:45] <JT-Shop> lol
[12:07:54] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: Smake
[12:08:10] <Connor> looks like it's already patched in.. just need to change display = gscreen
[12:08:32] <JT-Shop> yep, if your running master
[12:11:54] <Connor> What is show DTG ?
[12:15:15] <anonimas1> distance to go
[12:22:08] <Connor> what other gui's have been merged in now ?
[12:24:14] <jthornton> Yippie! pyngcgui running in my custom GUI... I'm almost there now
[13:28:39] <frallzor> ahh stock in the machine!
[13:35:50] <frallzor> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6752/img4786fs.jpg some hot action shots
[13:38:16] <Connor> pcw_home: Question: On the 7i77 board and the pncconf.. I don't see Analog output.. just PWM Generators... Is that what we use for 0-10v out ?
[13:38:55] <jdh> did you get mesa stuff?
[13:39:16] <Connor> yea. but with the 7i77 board.. which is Encoder/Analog
[13:39:36] <pcw_home> I dont know about pncconf, the HAL pins are "analog" something
[13:41:02] <pcw_home> hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout0 etc
[14:30:46] <cmorley> Connor: what firmware are you using in pncconf? 7i77x2? smartserial tabs 1 and 4 are the analog
[14:31:15] <Connor> what x1 or x2 mean ?
[14:31:33] <Connor> I was using x1
[14:31:40] <cmorley> number of 7i77 boards you are using
[14:32:41] <cmorley> ok then smartserial tab 1
[14:34:44] <Connor> yea. Just says Unused PWM Gen.
[14:34:55] <cmorley> yep thats them
[14:35:09] <Connor> okay. IMHO PWM != ANALOG
[14:35:49] <Connor> I'm guessing that the breakout board has PWM to Analog converters.. It's just misleading.
[14:35:55] <cmorley> the tab above the pins does say analog output but I do understand your point
[14:37:58] <Jymmm> cmorley:
http://cdn.lolhappens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/181171_321664641266744_945146969_n.jpg
[14:38:41] <cmorley> well gee don't sugar coar it - tell me what you really think :)
[14:38:49] <Jymmm> =)
[14:39:36] <Jymmm> cmorley: You're the oatmeal to my coffee, m'kay?!
[14:39:51] <Jymmm> BTW.... EWW
[14:40:01] <cmorley> lol oky doky
[14:40:19] <Jymmm> cmorley: You're the Mustard to my coffee,
[14:40:24] <Jymmm> lol
[14:40:32] <anonimas1> they dont go togther at all.
[14:40:58] <cmorley> Jymmm: you work alot with strong chemicals??
[14:41:30] <Jymmm> cmorley: Just sulfuric acid only when I have to.
[14:41:41] <cmorley> nasty stuff
[14:41:47] <Jymmm> Yep =)
[14:42:17] <andypugh> Is there an online G-code simulator that understands RS274NGC O-codes?
[14:42:40] <Jymmm> cmorley: and a big box of baking soda too =)
[14:42:48] <cmorley> Connor: actually I'm not sure how the 7i77 makes the analog signal - it was a case of ease / speed of programming.
[14:43:05] <andypugh> For unclear reasons I can't even run a sim version under VirtualPC
[14:43:17] <cmorley> lol good plan Jymmm
[14:43:24] <Connor> cmorley: you wrote the pncconf ?
[14:43:29] <cmorley> yes
[14:43:32] <Jymmm> cmorley: Actually, I catty Baking Soda in my FAK
[14:43:39] <Jymmm> carry
[14:43:41] <Connor> add in the MPG's then. :)
[14:43:54] <cmorley> There are
[14:43:55] <Jymmm> Miles Per Gallon?
[14:44:30] <Connor> No. the lowspeed encoders for Manual Pulse Generator smart a$$
[14:44:30] <cmorley> encoders can be mpgs
[14:44:54] <Connor> Yes. But, they've added 2 low speed ones.. check with pcw_home
[14:45:07] <Jymmm> cmorley: Most ppl dont consider chemical burn potential in their FAK.
[14:45:30] <Connor> The latest 7I77 firmware also has 2 MPG inputs available on 4 of the field I/O pins so you dont need to waste high speed encoder inputs on a MPG.
[14:45:38] <Connor> as does the 7i76
[14:45:46] <andypugh> Jymmm: Most people (me included) haven't the foggiest idea what an FAK is.
[14:46:29] <cmorley> ya i looked it up it's still not clear ...
[14:46:59] <cmorley> Connor I have not seen this new firmware
[14:47:57] <Connor> (12:12:31 AM) Connor: which pins does it tie to on both the 7i76 and 7i77 ?
[14:47:57] <Connor> (12:13:11 AM) pcw_home: I think its IN16,17,18,19
[14:47:57] <Connor> (12:13:23 AM) pcw_home: its in the manual
[14:49:08] <andypugh> I added the ability to flash sserial remotes recently (man setsserial). Admittedly I have only managed to brick cards with it, but Pete says it works some of the time for him :-)
[14:50:17] <andypugh> Let me try another tack with the first question, is anyone willing to preview some G-code for me before I post it to the forum and end up looking stupid?
[14:50:23] <cmorley> ahh yes mode 3, pncconf is not ready to cover different modes yet - it's a big change
[14:55:33] <cmorley> to be honest, 5i25 support is not really official until linuxcnc carries it in it's repo - and I'm not sure that's gonna happen
[14:55:59] <Connor> Why?
[14:56:43] <andypugh> I guess partly because the 5i25 doesnt use firmware
[14:57:04] <Connor> It doesn't ?
[14:57:08] <cmorley> two fold, the 5i25 doesn't need firmware to work - it already has it, and the linuxcnc firmware repo is way behind in version
[14:59:51] <Connor> you mean 5i25 support in general into linuxcnc or what ?
[15:00:02] <cmorley> Peter has built XML files for pncconf and there are close to working. unfortunately they are different from linuxcnc repo
[15:00:26] <cmorley> no no 5i25 is fully supported in linuxcnc
[15:00:45] <andypugh> In some ways it is a pity that the LinuxCNC repo exists, as it was cereated but never maintained or moreged.
[15:00:49] <cmorley> not officially supported in pncconf
[15:01:31] <Connor> Ah. Yea. I downloaded the xml files from the forum...
[15:01:35] <cmorley> andy: and no documents so some one could work on it
[15:01:52] <cmorley> yes that is my only way to support the 5i25
[15:03:53] <andypugh> I guess you could push the XML to the repository?
[15:04:02] <cmorley> for pncconf I don't need the firmware compiled on the repo - i only need the XML file placed in the firmware file. I just don't know how to add that capability to the repo nor do I know if I even can
[15:06:18] <andypugh> Nght all
[15:06:56] <cmorley> Anyways pncconf needs some work, but I'm preoccupied with Gscreen at the moment.
[15:07:09] <Connor> so, you need to mod the xml so it shows the MPG for INI16,17 and 18,19
[15:09:23] <jdh> I know a guy that worked at a place that said anytime a person said "you need to..." or "someone should..." it became their responsibility to do so.
[15:09:48] <cmorley> no, it's much more complicated. right now pncconf really has no way to keep track of modes and serial ports, it assumes there is only one of each.
[15:10:05] <cmorley> it doesn't know there are components that are just MPGs
[15:10:35] <Connor> Ah. So, basicly, I'm just going to have to manually do it ?
[15:10:57] <cmorley> and yes it doesn'y know about the difference between the modes, which is not spelled out i the XML, you just have to program the differennces
[15:11:08] <cmorley> yep
[15:11:17] <Jymmm> jdh: Someone should jump around like a chicken!
[15:11:47] <Connor> Not sure I know what you mean by modes yet.. I don't even have a MESA card.. Just doing research for guy who's converting his Arrow 500 to linuxcnc.
[15:12:10] <jdh> with servos?
[15:13:18] <Connor> jdh: Yup.
[15:13:24] <cmorley> modes change what pins are available, mode 0 all digital I/o, mode 1 digital and analog, mode 3 digital,analog,mpgs
[15:14:33] <Connor> and your basicly only dealing with the one connector too.. right? not the 2nd ?
[15:15:01] <cmorley> Pncconf does both conectors
[15:15:54] <cmorley> 77i7x1 is for one 7i77 daughter board and the other connector is digital I/O
[15:16:46] <Connor> okay. Was trying to figure out how to use it with 7i76 or 7i77 on just the 2nd connector..
[15:17:15] <Connor> On my system, when I go to mesa.. I have my PC and controllers on a single case.. no need for external cable..
[15:17:33] <jdh> I found something that looked close in pncconf, had it generate the file, then edited everything.
[15:18:36] <jdh> seems like I had to modify some other config's xml file before it would do that.
[15:18:37] <Connor> okay I/O 2 and SmartSerial 0 are internal or external ?
[15:18:40] <cmorley> Connor you could use 7i77x2 and not use the first connector but that seems a waste of pins :)
[15:19:21] <cmorley> smart serial 0 is internal - it's the 7i77
[15:19:53] <Connor> back in just minute.
[15:20:38] <Connor> Okay. I/O connector 2 and I/O connector 3.. db25 and 26 pin headers ?
[15:20:45] <Connor> or the breakouts ?
[15:20:55] <cmorley> yes they are the 5i25
[15:21:37] <Connor> okay. So I/O 2, db25 or 26 pin header ?
[15:21:45] <cmorley> ok i know it's not very clear or intuitive
[15:22:06] <Connor> cmorley: Not knocking you.. Just trying to get it clear in my head for when I need to set it up.
[15:22:07] <cmorley> ahh I can't remember lol :)
[15:25:08] <cmorley> some of the problem is pncconf shows how the components are set up internally. For instance you see the encoders are shown on the 5i25 I/O connector but you actually wire them to the 7i77
[15:25:43] <cmorley> the fact is the encoders ARE on the 5i25 they are just passed though to the 7i77
[15:26:52] <Connor> right. I would reference the BOB to make it easier.. most people aren't going to reference the 5i25 direct, and with that, reference the connector of the 5i25 TOO (just not the pin)
[15:28:01] <cmorley> p3 is the DB25
[15:28:33] <frallzor> how fun, losing steps now.
[15:28:45] <frallzor> what can cause this fun issue? =)
[15:29:33] <cmorley> Connor it's that we are stretching PNCconf to cover the 5i25 which is an odd duck compared to what I started PNCconf for.
[15:30:29] <cmorley> the connector is referenced P3 - I just couldn't remember which that one was
[15:31:12] <cmorley> if you look at smartserial 1 if mentions TB5
[15:32:01] <cmorley> but yes that actual pin number in pncconf is the component number and you have to look up in the manual to convert it to connector pin number.
[15:32:53] <cmorley> if you push the help button and select the output tab it's supposed to have some more info about that
[15:41:00] <Connor> cmorley: Understood. Like I said, New to mesa stuff.. and pncconf is new too.. so.. just trying to figure it out so I don't look like a idiot in front of this guy when I start configuring it. :)
[15:42:07] <cmorley> lol I hear you. If you select 7i77x2 and click the help page you will see more info for the pin numbers - I guess I didn't make one for 7i77x1
[15:44:04] <frallzor> hmm if you set baser persiod maximum jitter too high (just to be safe) can it cause losing steps of running too fast?
[15:44:08] <frallzor> *base
[15:44:17] <frallzor> *base period even
[15:44:27] <Connor> yes
[15:44:36] <Connor> it can't generate the steps fast enough.
[15:44:39] <frallzor> Guess its whats happening then
[15:44:48] <frallzor> got like 5-6K max in the test
[15:44:50] <Connor> need to lower your max IPM
[15:44:52] <frallzor> set it to 12K
[15:45:06] <frallzor> not that good I assume
[15:45:58] <Connor> what mobo ?
[15:46:09] <frallzor> some Atom-board
[15:46:15] <frallzor> cant recall modell atm
[15:46:15] <Connor> 525d ?
[15:46:37] <Connor> turn of hyper threading BTW.
[15:46:44] <Connor> err. turn OFF
[15:47:01] <Connor> and I think I'm running 3.5k on mine.
[15:47:29] <frallzor> or no I got like 3-4K on the base maximum test
[15:47:37] <frallzor> but I set it to 12K in the stepconf
[15:47:43] <frallzor> thought I was playing safe
[15:47:55] <frallzor> but it seems now It does more bad than good?
[15:47:55] <Connor> but it at 4 or 5k and be done with it.
[15:48:18] <Connor> too slow, and you limit your top speed. too fast and it can't keep up.
[15:48:32] <frallzor> seems like its that last one happening.
[15:48:47] <frallzor> If I change stepconf, does it reset ini files and hals?
[15:48:52] <frallzor> or just stepconf?
[15:48:52] <Connor> higher the number, the slower it is.. lower the number the faster it is.
[15:49:06] <Connor> both.
[15:49:15] <Connor> you make any custom changes to the ini and hal file ?
[15:49:22] <frallzor> yes
[15:49:34] <frallzor> guess I have to save them so I can fix it later then
[15:49:40] <frallzor> just a single line in the ini though
[15:49:47] <Connor> What *I* do in the past. is copy the original stepconf file and configs as a new name.. make the change, and compare.
[15:49:58] <skunkworks> 12k base period?
[15:50:10] <Connor> I don't recall if it makes other changes or not.
[15:50:17] <Connor> skunkworks: yea. he set it to 12k
[15:50:18] <frallzor> I thought I was playing it safe skunkworks =)
[15:50:39] <frallzor> never realized It could mess things up
[15:50:58] <Connor> it doesn't. you just didn't lower your max IPM down to match it.
[15:51:12] <skunkworks> ah - no. You would probably start at 25us
[15:51:13] <frallzor> Well If I run too fast I does mess up
[15:51:24] <frallzor> *It
[15:51:37] <Connor> That's what I'm saying. If you lower your max IPM down to match what 12k can support.. then you can't go too fast. :)
[15:52:00] <frallzor> though it seems I can set it lower without being ashamed of it =P
[15:52:15] <Connor> but, to be honest... if you did this through stepconf.. I thought it adjusted the max IPM correctly..
[15:52:30] <frallzor> it does?
[15:53:08] <frallzor> im sure I have allways seen the same default values which I have changed
[15:55:22] <Connor> jsut change the BASE_PERIOD in you INI file to 4000 and see how it runs.
[15:55:35] <Connor> be sure hyper threading is turned off too.
[15:55:42] <frallzor> will check that
[15:56:29] <Connor> Wonder if a package shipped from Memphis today will make it to Knoxville by tomorrow....
[15:56:42] <Connor> via UPS
[16:06:50] <frallzor> was actually 7000 base
[16:06:58] <frallzor> servo thread was 3-4k
[16:07:02] <frallzor> set it to 8k
[16:07:22] <tjtr33> hal edm video 100V 7A 98uS on 498uS off controlled by lm339 window comparator sparking out
http://videobin.org/+6cj/77s.html
[16:11:45] <frallzor> HT was off, so no idea on what can be wrong now if loss is still there
[16:18:26] <Connor> Servo should be @ 1000000
[16:18:38] <frallzor> uip
[16:18:41] <frallzor> *yup
[16:18:48] <frallzor> it was
[16:19:03] <Connor> (04:54:05 PM) frallzor: servo thread was 3-4k
[16:19:11] <frallzor> in the latency test that is
[16:19:36] <frallzor> while the base thread yadda yadda was 7k
[16:19:51] <Connor> ok. so set the base to around 4 or 5k and you should be fine.
[16:20:28] <frallzor> set it to 8k, isnt that right if its 7k in the latency test?
[16:20:58] <Connor> seams high for a atom board. you build that machine ?
[16:21:18] <frallzor> not more than hdd and ram
[16:21:32] <frallzor> only "build" there was too it
[16:21:58] <Connor> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
[16:22:01] <Connor> that the board ?
[16:22:20] <frallzor> nah, but similar
[16:22:48] <Connor> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121596
[16:23:29] <frallzor> nope, is a fan on mine too
[16:23:41] <Connor> if 7k was what you got, then 8k is fine.
[16:23:50] <Connor> I think I have mine around 3.5k
[16:26:09] <frallzor> I was using 2.3.5 of emc before and just used its config-files for 2.5.x
[16:26:15] <frallzor> wonder if that can mess things up
[16:26:41] <Connor> I couldn't answer that.. I wouldn't think so.
[16:27:48] <frallzor> what more can one check?
[16:27:52] <frallzor> acceleration perhaps?
[16:28:00] <Connor> You still missing steps ?
[16:28:10] <frallzor> i dont know, took a while to see
[16:28:18] <frallzor> over and hour before I saw it
[16:28:49] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:28:49] <Connor> what kind of router / mill is it ?
[16:29:03] <frallzor> MechMate
[16:29:28] <frallzor> with geckodrivers
[16:29:47] <Connor> Hmm..
[16:30:54] <Connor> Typically.. missed steps happen when you push it too hard... or you get extra resistance on the screws.. Is it belt drive ?
[16:31:04] <frallzor> rack and pinion
[16:31:21] <Connor> which axis did you loose steps on?
[16:31:32] <frallzor> I think its my Y axis
[16:31:55] <Connor> that the whole carriage ?
[16:32:03] <Connor> or just the router ?
[16:32:13] <frallzor> just router
[16:32:24] <frallzor> X is the whole shabang
[16:32:44] <Connor> that's odd.. you can try changing the acceleration..
[16:33:12] <Connor> what wise steppers?
[16:33:30] <Connor> and I don't remember on gecho, but microsteeping ?
[16:34:12] <frallzor> 10 I believe
[16:34:39] <frallzor> steppers are motionking something
[16:35:08] <Connor> gecko has that funky thing where if it sees a bunch of micro's at once, it'll do a full step instead of a bunch of little ones to help maximize that power..
[16:35:16] <Connor> what size?
[16:35:19] <Connor> Oz/in ?
[16:36:10] <Connor> BTW, normally if you base is off, you'll end up with a follow error in linuxcnc.. so, I don't think that was it.
[16:36:42] <frallzor> worked fine when doing the roughing
[16:37:04] <frallzor> but then doing the finnishing pass it was there it started acting
[16:37:06] <Connor> might want to check the dirhold and dirsetup values..
[16:37:06] <frallzor> *when
[16:37:38] <Connor> where you moving faster? slower?
[16:37:39] <frallzor> theyre setup according to stepfconf
[16:37:42] <Connor> that on the roughing.
[16:37:47] <Connor> yea, what value?
[16:37:49] <frallzor> set for G203V
[16:37:53] <frallzor> preset
[16:38:13] <Connor> ok
[16:38:20] <frallzor> speed was about the same
[16:38:34] <frallzor> 3-3500mm/min
[16:38:37] <Connor> other possibility is bad g-code.
[16:38:56] <Connor> or, backlash
[16:38:59] <frallzor> nah the code is code, generated in vectric aspire
[16:39:17] <frallzor> no backlash since roughing was fine
[16:39:28] <frallzor> this was a pretty huge error
[16:39:36] <frallzor> 4-5mm on one side it seemed
[16:40:01] <Connor> what about the other side ?
[16:40:02] <frallzor> or about 1/5"
[16:40:07] <frallzor> it was shifted
[16:40:34] <frallzor> so it was doing final pass 4-5mm + on y-axis
[16:40:55] <Connor> I would slow it down about 10% and try it again and see.
[16:41:03] <Connor> any rapids ?
[16:41:13] <Connor> rapids is where I normally loose steps..
[16:41:24] <frallzor> only between where it machined
[16:41:30] <frallzor> but its no super speed rapids
[16:42:04] <frallzor> where does one set rapids?
[16:42:07] <frallzor> the speed
[16:42:45] <Connor> MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY
[16:43:07] <Connor> and adjust MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE too..
[16:43:15] <Connor> it's 20% faster than MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY
[16:45:30] <frallzor> all written down, ill change that when I wake up and check
[16:45:38] <Connor> k
[16:45:58] <Connor> l8r. time to vegge for a bit.
[16:46:00] <frallzor> but its odd, never hade this big of a loss
[16:46:24] <frallzor> only difference, new install of the live-cd with a newer linuxCNC
[17:17:05] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: How many sticks of 1/8"x 36" SS Tig Welding rods in a LB typically?
[17:19:45] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: no clue
[17:19:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you dont do tig?
[17:20:14] <JT-Shop> yep
[17:20:27] <Jymmm> yep you do, or yep you dont?
[17:20:41] <r00t4rd3d> UPS just dropped off my new shiny Grubee Skyhawk.
[17:20:44] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[17:21:10] <JT-Shop> yep I TIG weld and my name is ...
[17:21:32] <r00t4rd3d> slim shady?
[17:21:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ok, but you dont do SS ?
[17:21:43] <Jymmm> FLAVOR FLAV!
[17:21:48] <JT-Shop> that's all I TIG is SS
[17:22:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: and you dont use 1/8" rods?
[17:22:17] <JT-Shop> nope, time for MIG when you get that big
[17:22:47] <Jymmm> aluminum is tig or mig?
[17:23:27] <JT-Shop> depends on the thickness
[17:23:33] <Jymmm> 1/4" or less
[17:23:37] <r00t4rd3d> I could weld an Eiffel Tower with my wire fed 110v tractor trailer special.
[17:23:41] <tjb1> Hello JT-Shop and Jymmm and r00t4rd3d
[17:23:51] <JT-Shop> hi tjb1
[17:24:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: lets say 1/8" al
[17:24:22] <Jymmm> 1/16 to 1/8
[17:24:30] <JT-Shop> I'd spool gun 1/8"
[17:24:41] <JT-Shop> 1/16" I'd TIG
[17:24:54] <Jymmm> spool gun?
[17:24:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ElPaiOM9EDM/TWrhjE0bCII/AAAAAAAAAUE/VKfvqs-LpWI/s1600/bike_dims.jpg
[17:24:57] <JT-Shop> I usually don't use any filler
[17:25:00] <r00t4rd3d> thats sweet
[17:25:19] <JT-Shop> yea, mig with a wire fed spool gun
[17:25:24] <Jymmm> ah
[17:25:35] * Jymmm never welded before
[17:25:41] <JT-Shop> can't feed alum through a long tube
[17:26:38] <Jymmm> I just want the ss for rods, then find someone that can weld the loop closed
[17:26:48] <Jymmm> 1/8" gap
[17:27:11] <JT-Shop> butt welder is what you want
[17:28:05] <Jymmm> It's not a "ring" but more like a sideways "b"
[17:28:45] <Jymmm> C)_______
[17:28:56] <JT-Shop> I can't envision a sideways "b"
[17:29:25] <JT-Shop> ok like a loop at the end of a straight section
[17:29:35] <Jymmm> hang on, getting video...
[17:29:43] <JT-Shop> like a pinapple pin
[17:29:59] <Jymmm> yeah
[17:32:30] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: for 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbT9b-iqZa8&feature=player_detailpage#t=313s
[17:33:04] <JT-Shop> a piece of steeel
[17:34:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Here ya go, welding the ring closed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbT9b-iqZa8&feature=player_detailpage#t=393s
[17:35:43] <JT-Shop> what does it do?
[17:36:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Glorified tent stake, could be used as a skewer, bbq grill
[17:38:08] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: goto the beginning of the video to see it's usage
[17:45:50] <tjtr33> r00t4rd3d, did you get that tank? i havent been able to get one for over a year now
[17:47:37] <r00t4rd3d> did you try and buy one from imperial cycles?
[17:47:43] <tjtr33> yep
[17:48:12] <r00t4rd3d> http://imperialcyclesstore.blogspot.com/
[17:49:04] <tjtr33> thx , woof prcie is up, but still the nicest style
[17:49:44] <tjtr33> more than my anglefire and schwinn admiral 700 together
[17:54:36] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1,
http://www.sportsmanflyer.com/bikes.html
[17:54:38] <r00t4rd3d> bottom
[17:56:23] <r00t4rd3d> or this
[17:56:24] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.piratecycles1.com/worksmancycles.html
[17:59:46] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.piratecycles1.com/pipromiro125.html
[17:59:58] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[18:06:42] <JT-Shop> that sportsmanflyer is neat
[18:07:16] <JT-Shop> I'd want spring seat for $4800
[18:14:47] <tjb1> what about it r00t4rd3d
[18:17:44] <FinboySlick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk
[18:22:58] <FinboySlick> I hope it turns off during the night.
[18:30:34] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, gettin our rain yet?
[18:30:46] <cncjerry> hello, cncjerry here
[18:31:28] <cncjerry> my PC wont boot, nothing, nada, nil and was wondering if this little ShuttleX I have would be enough to run my mill until I figure this out.
[18:31:45] <cncjerry> so I am running the latency test and wondering what is good/bad/ugly
[18:31:53] <Tom_itx> low is good
[18:31:55] <Tom_itx> high is bad
[18:32:01] <cncjerry> jitter?
[18:32:22] <Valen> depends on if you are using mesa or something like that to some extent too
[18:32:26] <Valen> and your step rate
[18:32:36] <Valen> if your using steppers on pports
[18:32:38] <cncjerry> the jitter is 5937 on servo 1 and 8465 on base
[18:33:03] <Valen> thats not terrible as i recall
[18:33:40] <tjtr33> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/install/Latency_Test.html has numbers and guidelines
[18:34:27] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: sprinkles only
[18:35:30] <r00t4rd3d> cncjerry, did you test your psu?
[18:36:29] <cncjerry_> something happend to the chat window. did You get my rate?
[18:36:48] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[18:37:02] <r00t4rd3d> cncjerry_, did you test your dead computer psu?
[18:37:09] <cncjerry_> I think the x and y are like 40,000
[18:39:12] <cncjerry> the chat keeps crashing on the other computer as well
[18:39:20] <cncjerry> I don't know if you got my last
[18:39:38] <cncjerry> I pulled the plug on the drives and they measured fine. 5.0 and 11.96v
[18:40:01] <cncjerry> I was going to pull the moboard connector to check them but will need to get the voltages from the doc (somewhere)
[18:40:28] <cncjerry> I do remember the power going out coincident with a thunderstorm a month ago, haven't been in the shop lately.
[18:41:10] <cncjerry> the last I checked about two weeks ago, the main drive wouldn't boot but I got linux up to do the work. so I was down there shooting that bug when I noticed it won't boot at all.
[18:41:17] <cncjerry> the green light is on the motherboard.
[18:41:17] <r00t4rd3d> you can easily test the psu by unplugging the connector, find the one green wire and jump that to a black wire, if the fan spins up, its good.
[18:41:28] <cncjerry> the fans are running
[18:41:32] <cncjerry> the disk drives seek
[18:41:32] <r00t4rd3d> your jitter numbers are fine
[18:41:48] <r00t4rd3d> sounds like video or monitor
[18:42:04] <cncjerry> I tried pulling the memory, drives, etc. no luck. unless the video adapter is out, but I would think it should at least beep
[18:42:20] <cncjerry> the drives aren't rattling at all.
[18:42:21] <r00t4rd3d> do you have a video card?
[18:42:28] <cncjerry> only the one in there.
[18:42:33] <cncjerry> that machine is old
[18:42:54] <r00t4rd3d> get a D525MW while you still can.
[18:43:20] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[18:43:21] <cncjerry> I think it is PCIE but not the latest. I can't plug my others in there as it has a small plate to prevent the newer cards from seating.
[18:44:01] <cncjerry> this machine was a 2.9ghz that I built in like 2000 so it is old.
[18:44:45] <cncjerry> I have this little shuttle i found in a dumpster that boots and runs fine. I had planned to use it on my lathe as that computer is on a shelf and it is older.
[18:45:07] <r00t4rd3d> I play video games on my CNC computer while I wait for cuts :D
[18:45:30] <cncjerry> so I guess I'll have to pull the linux drive out of the down machine, plug it into the shuttle to see if I can get the config file.
[18:45:49] <cncjerry> I am going to hate having to rebuild all that since I customized axis, etc.
[18:45:58] <r00t4rd3d> take your whole ini folder that should be on your desktop
[18:46:39] <cncjerry> the question is getting to the drive. I can't remember which one and there are like 6 in that machine.
[18:47:20] <r00t4rd3d> I would just swap out the video card and see if that worked
[18:47:32] <cncjerry> I've never had a cpu or motherboard blow.9
[18:47:46] <cncjerry> would the machine hang or beep if the video was bad?
[18:47:52] <r00t4rd3d> no
[18:48:07] <cncjerry> if I pulled the video card would the machine beep?
[18:48:09] <r00t4rd3d> that normally only happens with memory or cpu errors
[18:49:29] <cncjerry> I'll take the advice and go digging. I might have an old PCI card that would at least get it up. the windows boot disk is hosed as well, that doesnt show in the bios (when the machine last booted)
[18:49:43] <r00t4rd3d> if the video card has a fan and its clogged with shit and didnt get cooled enough, it could be fried.
[18:49:43] <tjb1> Ok JT-Shop, I am gonna try to do this now
[18:49:57] <Valen> no video card will often make them beep
[18:50:10] <cncjerry> we had a bad lightning storm in early january that seemed to precipitate this.
[18:50:10] <Valen> if you pull the card it should generally give you a beep code error
[18:50:19] <Valen> that won't help anything
[18:50:24] <cncjerry> I'll go pull the card to see
[18:50:42] <cncjerry> by now I probly pulled the speaker as well.
[18:50:47] <Valen> you say you have 6 drives hanging off it?
[18:50:48] <r00t4rd3d> motherboards are not video card dependent
[18:50:58] <cncjerry> yes
[18:51:00] <Valen> r00t4rd3d: you can set some to boot headless
[18:51:01] <r00t4rd3d> it should not beep with no video
[18:51:12] <Valen> but most consumer boards will fail post without a video output
[18:51:20] <cncjerry> I get no bios screen, etc.
[18:51:44] <cncjerry> and the reset button doesn't reset the drives
[18:52:05] <r00t4rd3d> is there an old phone modem in there?
[18:52:06] <cncjerry> I tried pulling the battery as well thinking maybe something was hosed in the bios.
[18:52:10] <cncjerry> maybe
[18:52:14] <cncjerry> no
[18:52:20] <Valen> I'd suggest unplugging everything except cpu and ram (and speaker ;->) and see if you can get at least a post beep from it
[18:52:27] <cncjerry> It was the highest end computer in 2001
[18:52:32] <r00t4rd3d> check all your pci cards for burn marks
[18:52:32] <Valen> then start adding stuff back one at a time
[18:52:47] <Valen> then add back the video and test that
[18:52:48] <Valen> etc
[18:52:51] <cncjerry> I have to find a video card. it was pretty curdy.
[18:52:55] <cncjerry> crudy
[18:53:09] <Valen> I've seen bad IDE devices cause similar issues
[18:53:11] <cncjerry> I wish it had onboard video
[18:53:16] <r00t4rd3d> ya
[18:53:17] <cncjerry> all the ice are pulled,
[18:53:22] <cncjerry> ide.
[18:53:35] <cncjerry> only one memory stick in
[18:53:39] <Valen> pull the video as well and see if you can get a beep
[18:53:47] <cncjerry> k, brb
[18:53:54] <Valen> you should be able to pull the ram too
[18:53:59] <Valen> give you a no memory beep
[18:54:15] <Valen> though some mbo's wont do that they will just be dead
[18:54:59] <ReadError> might as well reset the cmos
[18:55:09] <ReadError> just to get everything back to defaults
[18:55:19] <Valen> he did pull the battery
[18:55:21] <r00t4rd3d> he pulled that battery so thats dont already
[18:55:26] <Valen> though thats not always a guarantee
[18:55:33] <ReadError> you gotta hit the power button as well
[18:55:36] <ReadError> to discharge everything
[18:55:45] <Valen> often they have a clear cmos jumper
[18:55:49] <ReadError> yea
[18:55:59] <ReadError> that does the same as pulling the battery though im fairly sure
[18:56:04] <ReadError> i always unplug it
[18:56:11] <ReadError> short/pull battery
[18:56:16] <ReadError> and hold the power button for a few seconds
[18:56:24] <Valen> I haven't had to do that for years lol
[18:56:28] <ReadError> even unplugged the fans will still spin for a sec
[18:56:37] <Valen> I actually have to replace a cmos battery for a guy
[18:56:44] <Valen> i keep forgetting to get the cell lol
[18:57:21] <ReadError> Valen: these AU guys make it seem like its impossible to find g10 sheets in the AU
[18:57:26] <r00t4rd3d> Ive worked on tons of dead computers where I unseated/unplugged everything then plug it all back in and the computer worked.
[18:57:29] <ReadError> here its all over, even amazon sells it
[18:57:40] <Valen> ReadError: it is, we all just order it from overseas
[18:57:43] <Valen> or just use PCB
[18:58:11] <Valen> done that more than once r00t4rd3d, strip it all out and put it back together and it works
[18:58:36] <r00t4rd3d> yup, then my boss would tell the customer they had a bad hd
[18:58:36] <cncjerry> no beep with no video.
[18:58:55] <r00t4rd3d> ive told you it wont do that :)
[18:58:59] <cncjerry> btw: worked for IBM on the PC before it came out in '81. 35yrs of the PC business
[18:59:04] <Valen> and I've told you it will
[18:59:12] <cncjerry> usually reseat and off you go. not this time.
[18:59:33] <Valen> r00t4rd3d:
http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm look for video
[18:59:42] <Valen> sounds like its dead jim
[18:59:57] <cncjerry> Jim's my brother
[18:59:59] <cncjerry> I think it is dead
[19:00:22] <Valen> I've had terrible luck with shuttles always seem to be glitchy to me
[19:00:29] <Valen> another guy i know has hundreds of them in the field
[19:00:47] <cncjerry> the only thing is do I go thru the trouble of checking the 3.3v or just find the drive and plug it into the shuttle
[19:01:09] <Valen> if you have a spare PSU whack it in, nothing to loose
[19:01:13] <cncjerry> I found the shittleX at a surplus metal store in a barrel
[19:01:34] <Valen> just sit it next to it will be good enough ;->
[19:01:34] <Valen> rofl
[19:01:35] <cncjerry> It had memory and 60gig drive, cd, etc. took it for the hell of it.
[19:01:43] <ReadError> guys this cant have worked out any better
[19:01:45] <cncjerry> works great. I like the small form factor
[19:01:50] <ReadError> my router comes wednesday
[19:01:58] <ReadError> i have thur,fri,sat,sun off
[19:01:58] <ReadError> ;)
[19:02:01] <ReadError> it was made to be!
[19:02:41] <ReadError> i think the superpid will take a moment ;/
[19:02:46] <ReadError> its coming from .au
[19:02:49] <cncjerry> if I pull all the memories it should beep, no?
[19:02:58] <ReadError> i dont think
[19:03:06] <ReadError> ive never got a PC to boot w/o memory
[19:03:08] <ReadError> er, post
[19:03:21] <cncjerry> that was supposed to be mamories
[19:03:26] <Valen> 50/50 with no ram you will get a no memory beep code
[19:03:26] <cncjerry> or is it mammories
[19:03:36] <Valen> the only other thing you can do is get a port80 card
[19:03:38] <ReadError> you can try to pull a dimm out of a laptop
[19:03:44] <ReadError> and throw it in there
[19:03:53] <ReadError> (assuming its the same ddr2)
[19:03:59] <cncjerry> I have 4 x 512k so I have other chips to try.
[19:04:13] <cncjerry> I just have to find a video card in my junk pile.
[19:04:20] <ReadError> yike
[19:04:21] <ReadError> grab an attom
[19:04:25] <ReadError> atom*
[19:04:31] <cncjerry> how much are they?
[19:04:36] <ReadError> like 70$ or so
[19:04:40] <r00t4rd3d> 100 for everything
[19:04:48] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[19:04:49] <ReadError> yea this assumes you have the case and psu..
[19:05:10] <cncjerry> yes, but that is the question. PSU might be bad.
[19:05:13] <Valen> http://dx.com/p/double-sided-2-digit-display-pct-desktop-pc-dual-analyzer-post-debug-card-129642 are good
[19:05:20] <Valen> rip the one out of the shuttle
[19:05:28] <ReadError> i upgraded my macbook to 16gb
[19:05:29] <cncjerry> onboard
[19:05:33] <ReadError> so i had extra modules
[19:06:04] <cncjerry> but the standard silver shuttle has enough gas for linuxcnc?
[19:06:12] <Valen> looks to
[19:06:15] <ReadError> what cpu?
[19:06:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4GB-2X2GB-DDR3-1333MHz-204-pin-PC3-10600S-Laptop-RAM-/271103450247?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item3f1f065c87
[19:06:22] <Valen> or just stuff that disk in there and go for it ;->
[19:06:24] <ReadError> well for example, my intel core2duo
[19:06:29] <r00t4rd3d> then that memory to power the computer up
[19:06:33] <ReadError> had like 4-5x the latency of that poor little atom
[19:06:38] <r00t4rd3d> assuming you have a working atx power supply
[19:06:49] <cncjerry> that's the problem, I don't know what is in it. I'm sure it is newer than this massive machine I've been using.
[19:06:59] <Valen> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:07:12] <ReadError> Valen: its not booting tho is it?
[19:07:12] <cncjerry> brb
[19:07:18] <Valen> his new one is
[19:07:26] <Valen> the shuttle
[19:07:46] <r00t4rd3d> 107.54 for what most of us here use.
[19:08:46] <cncjerry> cat says celeron 2.4mhz
[19:08:50] <ReadError> is there a good PCIe card that works out of the box?
[19:09:15] <ReadError> w/o having to modprobe/compile drivers
[19:09:15] <cncjerry> the shuttle is booting
[19:09:15] <cncjerry> the old machine is not
[19:09:38] <Valen> ReadError: for what?
[19:09:38] <adb> 2.4mhz ? Ghz
[19:09:45] <cncjerry> yes, more like it
[19:10:11] <Valen> cncjerry: does it say it twice? as in cpu0 and cpu1?
[19:10:11] <cncjerry> so that should do it. I put a parallel port adapter in the only slot and linux found ti
[19:10:49] <ReadError> Valen: I want to keep my mill and router hooked up
[19:10:49] <ReadError> i can swap the cables out
[19:10:58] <cncjerry> no, cat says only one cpu
[19:10:59] <ReadError> but since the parport is referenced in the config I figured I could just use a 2nd
[19:11:12] <Valen> ahh, thats a little irritating lol
[19:11:27] <Valen> dual cpu is nifty ;->
[19:11:40] <ReadError> figured if i could plop another parport card in, would make things easy
[19:11:51] <Valen> ReadError: no idea sorry, pcie pport, just sounds weird lol
[19:12:13] <ReadError> i *think* thats what the mobo has
[19:12:14] <cncjerry> I have another massive machine next to this one, I can cable that one up, but I use that for CAD/CAM work while the mill is runniong.
[19:12:29] <Valen> how old is it?
[19:12:36] <ReadError> 1x 32 Bit PCI
[19:12:39] <ReadError> maybe it is just normal PCI
[19:12:42] <cncjerry> that one is 2004?
[19:13:01] <Valen> I just got my first non-legacy (pcie only) mbo a few days ago
[19:13:03] <cncjerry> funny how old things get
[19:13:18] <Valen> which is a little irritating as i have no pcie wireless cards and about 45 pci ones
[19:13:58] <tjb1> pcw_home: You here?
[19:14:07] <cncjerry> I have a killer HP, an Imac, mac air, couple laptops, etc. as well but the machines in the shop have been running trouble free for 12 yrs?
[19:14:23] <cncjerry> I guess that is as long as they go.
[19:14:59] <cncjerry> I think I have an old diamond speedstar video board somewhere. I find something and report back.
[19:15:30] <tjb1> Valen: Do you do HAL?
[19:15:41] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: yup. one of those 237 sold, is me! :)
[19:15:41] <Valen> nope lol
[19:16:11] <tjb1> :(
[19:16:44] <Connor> tjb1: Whatcha trying to do ?
[19:16:44] <tjb1> http://pastebin.com/YB17SWVZ
[19:16:54] <tjb1> Just want to know if I am getting the commands right
[19:17:22] <Connor> Oh. I know enough of hal for stepper stuff.. nothing about encoders yet..
[19:18:12] <gene77> chinese screws are gonna be the end of me yet. Anybody know where I can get a chinese grease gun that fits the smallest chineze zerk? I just spent 2 hours modifying an American right angle fitting only to find the head profile is NOT the same. Grrrrrrrr
[19:21:33] <tjtr33> try TaoBao Focus its the chinese ebay ( or Tao Bao proper, tho thats in Mandarin)
[19:22:11] <gene77> I just measured, its 5.75 mm across the tops of the fairly coarse thread. Too small for an American 1/4 28 zerk
[19:23:27] <Valen> sure its not a standard (to chinese tollerences) metric size?
[19:24:54] <tjtr33> 6mm is a std metric size
http://www.lincolnindustrial.com/Catalogs/_English/09-LFIC/pg02-21.pdf
[19:25:13] <ReadError> tjb1, you get that cable chain kit ?
[19:25:26] <tjb1> What cable chain kit?
[19:25:34] <ReadError> the one on CRP
[19:25:41] <tjb1> Nope
[19:25:48] <ReadError> make your own?
[19:25:48] <tjb1> Tom_itx: Are you good with HAL?
[19:25:58] <tjb1> Nope
[19:25:58] <tjb1> eBay special
[19:26:31] <cncjerry> plot thickens
[19:26:38] <cncjerry> pulled the memory and it beeps like crazy
[19:27:01] <Valen> ah har
[19:27:01] <cncjerry> tried two PCI display cards, neither will give video
[19:27:26] <cncjerry> if it is smart enough to beep it should be smart enough to display something, no?
[19:27:31] <Valen> so it is actually starting to post
[19:27:43] <Valen> this is where that port-80 card comes in really handy ;->
[19:28:00] <cncjerry> yes, so the port-80 card can tell you to throw it away sooner
[19:28:02] <Valen> check the pins in the ram slots with a magnifing glass for a bent pin
[19:28:16] <Valen> its easier than it sounds
[19:29:20] <cncjerry> so it must be testing the memory to be ok. I have 4 x 512k sticks so it is going beyond. can't be keyboard, usb, etc.
[19:29:33] <cncjerry> must be CPU.
[19:30:08] <cncjerry> I tried pulling the handles and moving it around essentially reseating it.
[19:30:27] <cncjerry> I wonder if it is still PSU
[19:30:51] <Valen> unlikey if you are getting beeps
[19:30:53] <Valen> but its not hard to test
[19:31:31] <cncjerry> it isn't hard to test if you have an ATX PSU lying around.
[19:31:44] <cncjerry> I have a bunch of AT type.
[19:31:45] <Valen> shuttle has one
[19:32:03] <cncjerry> it's integrated I think, no? let me go look.
[19:32:14] <Valen> its special but close
[19:33:47] <cncjerry> yes, it is small, I don't think I want to pull the nicely laid cables. I'll go buy one from best buy and return it before I mess with my backup plan.
[19:34:04] <cncjerry> wonder if they still sell them
[19:36:17] <cncjerry> dynex 400w $35
[19:36:55] <cncjerry> available now
[19:36:55] <cncjerry> what's the verdict? blown cpu or mother board or PSU?
[19:37:07] <cncjerry> or plug in the shittle
[19:37:55] <cncjerry> I have no other plans for the shuttle anyway. paid $5 for it.
[19:38:05] <cncjerry> $15 for the flatscreen monitor
[19:39:18] <Spida> where?
[19:39:45] <cncjerry> the monitor? halted electronics in Santa Rosa. It is called a Planar.
[19:39:47] <cncjerry> surplus
[19:40:35] <gene77> A lincon 103307E might be what I need, but no pix available.
[19:42:04] <gene77> No american greae gun fits this even when its removed, the thing is that much different sized.
[19:43:47] <gene77> The whole head that supposedly engages the gun is about 30 thou smaller that our on this side of the big pond.
[19:47:31] <gene77> I think I hear dinner calling, later & thanks titr33
[19:51:36] <r00t4rd3d> "Gene come up from the basement, I got your mac&cheese ready!"
[19:57:26] <Valen> cncjerry: plug in the shuttle
[20:05:28] <cncjerry> valen, just downloaded the latest linuxcnc. I'm going to pull the newest drive in the machine, plug it into the second port and try to find my config. I've been meaning to get rid of this dinosaur anyway.
[20:05:43] <Valen> just plug the drive in and boot off it
[20:06:57] <Valen> i wouldn't bother screwing around unless you suspect the other disk
[20:06:57] <cncjerry> I was thinking about that but windows would barf.
[20:07:05] <Valen> windows?
[20:07:46] <cncjerry> I had windows on the old machine. if you took a drive out of a windows machine and tried booting it on another, it might work bu generally wouldn't. I don't know if linux will or not.
[20:08:09] <cncjerry> can you boot a linux installed drive on any machine?
[20:08:24] <Valen> linux will be fine
[20:08:24] <Valen> 99% of the time
[20:08:56] <cncjerry> well, there you go. one more reason to go linux. I'll try it, nothing to lose
[20:08:59] <Valen> only issue really is if your drive has grub installed on it and was the boot device
[20:09:24] <Valen> it can get hinkey with multiple drives in the computer
[20:09:30] <cncjerry> no, linux wasn't installed on the boot, I know that for sure
[20:09:34] <Valen> but crap its like 5 seconds to find out
[20:10:02] <cncjerry> not much room in the shuttle, have to figure out how to get the drive in there.
[20:10:07] <Valen> worst case you can boot the livecd and reinstall grub
[20:10:17] <Valen> I'd suggest just hanging it out the side of the case for the moment
[20:27:33] <cncjerry> valen, I owe you a beer
[20:27:40] <cncjerry> saved me some time. it is booting
[20:27:50] <Valen> hah victory!
[20:27:51] <Valen> lol
[20:27:59] <Valen> I'll take a 4X thanks ;->
[20:28:05] <Valen> aka XXXX
[20:28:11] <cncjerry> the killer is the original boot drive that the other system couldn't find prior to the overall failure is ok as well
[20:28:28] <cncjerry> so something on the mother board must have crashed
[20:28:39] <Valen> so the origional PC is booting now?
[20:28:43] <cncjerry> the first symptom was a drive missing.
[20:28:56] <cncjerry> no, the original PC is dead. the drive in the shuttle is booting
[20:29:08] <Valen> ok just checking lol
[20:29:26] <cncjerry> I found the linux drive on the third try and hooked it to the shuttle and it is coming up.
[20:29:50] <Valen> ahh ok lol
[20:29:50] <cncjerry> the original master drive from the dead PC wasn't being seen last week
[20:29:50] <Valen> good stuff
[20:30:03] <cncjerry> so something popped in the mother board I bet.
[20:30:11] <cncjerry> rats get in there
[20:30:20] <Valen> had that happen to me
[20:30:22] <Valen> bastards
[20:30:31] <cncjerry> the kids snake was missing for two weeks and I found it wrapped in there as well.
[20:30:43] <cncjerry> 6ft king snake
[20:30:43] <cncjerry> must have been warm
[20:30:52] <Valen> rofl
[20:32:07] <cncjerry> how do I find the parallel port address for the second lpt
[20:32:19] <cncjerry> and I guess I have to change my config file?
[20:32:30] <cncjerry> x378 is the first
[20:32:36] <cncjerry> isnt the second 2bc
[20:33:05] <cncjerry> it booted all the way, my desktop is there, ini files, etc.
[20:33:40] <Valen> finding port addresses i don't know
[20:33:42] <Valen> bios might tell you
[20:33:44] <tjb1> Heh
[20:33:48] <tjb1> Finding port addresses is fun
[20:34:19] <tjb1> lspci -v
[20:35:03] <Valen> I'd suggest poking round in the bios as being easier lol
[20:35:26] <tjb1> Is this an added card or mobo parport?
[20:36:32] <cncjerry> yes, added card. I couldn't find a cable to fit the shuttle mother board connector
[20:36:50] <cncjerry> so the address should be 2bc but who knows with the added card
[20:39:19] <cncjerry> lspci -v gave me a bunch of stuff but it says irq 19 and ports at 9400
[20:43:06] <Valen> the added card should probably say on itself
[20:43:17] <Valen> although i guess PnP could shift it arund
[20:43:28] <Valen> pshaw kids today with their plug and play pci devices
[20:45:09] <cncjerry> I have another parallel port card, a dual, that has a ton of jumpers and you can set it to about anything. so if this one doesn't work, I'll throw that one in there.
[20:45:32] <cncjerry> I have a feeling the 9400 is the port address if I am reading the lspci -v correctly. everything else matches
[20:51:46] <cncjerry> is there an easy way to change my config to parallel port 1 instead of 0? I guess I change the hal file but there are a lot of references to '0' that I'm not sure about.
[20:53:37] <skunkworks> cncjerry: I have had almost all of our shuttle computers fail... (they came on some vinyl cutters we got) I don't like them.
[20:53:53] <skunkworks> different models, ages.
[20:54:48] <skunkworks> about 5 or 6 of them
[21:07:19] <jdh> only one I ever had was c000
[21:08:56] <pcw_home> Just depends on where the BIOS sticks it
[21:10:05] <cncjerry> lspci -vv gave 9400 for 8, irq19
[21:10:24] <cncjerry> I assume it is the 8 bit interface.
[21:10:35] <tjb1> Can you copy and paste the lspci -v
[21:10:58] <tjb1> or maybe try "cat /proc/ioports"
[21:11:01] <tjb1> I think that is the one
[21:11:41] <jdh> or maybe dmesg |grep parport
[21:11:41] <tjtr33> sudo lshw iirc
[21:12:20] <r00t4rd3d> lsmod | grep parport
[21:12:23] <tjb1> cat /proc/ioports will call at least one of them "parport0" and it might label the second "parport0" as well
[21:12:27] <tjtr33> damn thats heavy snow
[21:12:41] <r00t4rd3d> we are suppose to get 2' over night
[21:12:56] <cncjerry> cat proc gave me the same, 9400 - 9407 paraport0
[21:13:00] <ReadError> do any of you use an online packing tracking site?
[21:13:03] <cncjerry> or parport
[21:13:07] <tjtr33> i just shoveld 4" of "artly cloudy"
[21:13:09] <tjb1> ReadError: www.packagetrackr.com
[21:13:11] <ReadError> something i can put a bunch of #s in to and it lets me know updates
[21:13:23] <ReadError> oh nice
[21:13:47] <tjb1> cncjerry: Does it list 378 for the other?
[21:14:02] <cncjerry> supposed to snow like crazy in newport, RI, my son is in boarding school there. they are already talking about closing school and not one flake yet.
[21:14:15] <cncjerry> I don't have the other parallel port enabled.
[21:14:32] <cncjerry> also, the PCI bus starts at like 9000 or something, so that all makes sense
[21:14:50] <cncjerry> I don't doubt the address, just never saw one that high.
[21:15:17] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, do you have a motorized bicycle?
[21:20:52] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/hp3zVgN.jpg
[21:22:56] <tjtr33> lshw does NOT list pports ( surprise surprise) ( an i got an electric lifepo4 cyclone an a 80cc gas 7speed bike uses jackshaft so i got rear deraileur )
[21:24:11] <r00t4rd3d> you use the shift kit from Sick Bike Parts?
[21:24:39] <tjtr33> yep, sick is sick ( boston-ian for good )
[21:26:12] <r00t4rd3d> the Grubee engines are really nice
[21:26:15] <r00t4rd3d> just got a new one today
[21:27:05] <tjtr33> yeah, they looked good, i got overwhelmed by the variations ( and eventual same-ness) of all the models.
[21:27:25] <tjtr33> i got a 49cc plate riveted on mine by the seller :)
[21:28:00] <tjtr33> and baked enamel red head, its a testarosa
[21:29:30] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/v2CqNAg.jpg
[21:29:36] <r00t4rd3d> thats my bike
[21:29:42] <tjtr33> you gonna use that tank from imperial?
[21:30:21] <r00t4rd3d> no
[21:30:59] <r00t4rd3d> they sell cloned whizzer tanks on ebay
[21:31:05] <tjtr33> white tires, cool, springer front and extended saddle
[21:31:21] <r00t4rd3d> i made the laid back seat post myself :D
[21:32:24] <r00t4rd3d> I have a better seat for it too but it wasnt on when i took that pic
[21:33:10] <tjtr33> will photo mine later tonite, in basement for winter, now i gotta peel off these soaked clothes bbl
[21:33:52] <r00t4rd3d> think i might tear mine down completely and black it flat black.
[22:39:56] <tjb1> and were back!
[22:40:25] <Connor> wtf ?
[22:40:46] <tjb1> net split earlier
[22:59:49] <Connor> I think I may try gscreen out with it..
[23:02:13] <Connor> www.ebay.com/itm/130843317449
[23:02:28] <Connor> hehe.. good deal.. 125 + 40 or so to ship.. not bad..
[23:13:36] <alex4nder>
[23:13:36] <alex4nder>
[23:13:40] <alex4nder> jesus
[23:13:42] <alex4nder> fucking client.
[23:14:26] <tjb1> I do believe pennsylvania is about to get destroyed
[23:14:48] <alex4nder> by flood and fire?
[23:15:37] <tjb1> by rain and snow
[23:17:02] <jdh> it's going to get down in the 40s here tonight
[23:18:09] <tjb1> 32 here now
[23:20:20] <jdh> http://www.intellicast.com/WxImages/SNOWcast/rut_048.jpg?t=888
[23:23:01] <tjtr33> r00t4rd3d, the bikes
http://imagebin.org/245900 ebike
http://imagebin.org/245901 gasbike
[23:23:37] <tjtr33> and on topic
http://imagebin.org/245902 emdgen
http://imagebin.org/245903 sable 3axis Senkung EDM
[23:32:41] <r00t4rd3d> where the motor on the ebike?
[23:33:10] <tjtr33> below crank
[23:33:23] <tjtr33> freewheel on sprocket
[23:33:34] <r00t4rd3d> oh i see it now
[23:34:10] <tjtr33> oh, not very visible in that shot, only 400w
[23:34:38] <tjtr33> hangs on bracket where kickstand was
[23:34:40] <r00t4rd3d> you put a battery on the rack?
[23:35:07] <tjtr33> yep, then i take it inside the public libray & get free inet & re-charge ( Mr Cheap :)
[23:35:22] <tjtr33> in a bag
[23:38:24] <tjtr33> battery cnx to that 3 prong plug under the seat, the PAS is disabled , so just throttle control
[23:38:31] <r00t4rd3d> wish i could afford a Morini engine.
[23:38:46] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.herdan.com/engines/
[23:39:54] <r00t4rd3d> I would love the air cooled S6
[23:40:29] <r00t4rd3d> either one
[23:40:46] <tjtr33> or... buy 6 of the anglefire and run forever, and have change left over ( Mr Cheap again )
[23:42:19] <r00t4rd3d> i got 1000 miles out of a cheap no name one
[23:42:43] <tjtr33> this interested me
http://www.ebay.com/itm/STARTER-MOTOR-ATV-Dirt-Bike-50cc-90cc-110cc-125cc-LOWER-/170405923487
[23:42:44] <tjtr33> i got 2 security system batteries on mine, and a generator on the motor
[23:43:23] <tjtr33> yeah, learn how to sleev or replace the bearings, and run it forever
[23:45:20] <r00t4rd3d> I lost a needle bearing in the top of the piston rod and it blew
[23:46:19] <r00t4rd3d> I can and will probably fix it for a backup
[23:48:10] <tjtr33> cool stuff, gn8 for now
