#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-01-28

[00:00:05] <AR__> i drilled 1/4 first
[00:00:16] <AR__> then up to 5/8
[00:00:37] <Connor> That's part of you issue.. Step up in increments..
[00:00:55] <Connor> and, I would do both plates at the same time.
[00:02:22] <AR__> i did
[00:02:32] <AR__> they are parallel
[00:02:44] <Connor> okay, so, one side is just off from the other?
[00:02:49] <AR__> it's just the holes for the right rail are slightly higher
[00:02:51] <AR__> yes
[00:03:22] <Connor> How did you lay it out for drilling? You score it ?
[00:03:27] <AR__> yes
[00:03:52] <Connor> score, punch, re-punch, center drill, pilot. and step up.
[00:04:05] <AR__> the drill press is also in my shed and it was like 8 degrees F
[00:04:09] <AR__> sucked
[00:06:56] <Connor> youch.. Umm. put a heater in there and warm it up before you work. :)
[00:07:49] <Connor> anyone know what those CB style connectors are rated at amp/voltage wise ?
[00:12:22] <Jymmm> I use em
[00:12:41] <Jymmm> 4pin
[00:12:52] <Connor> I use them for steppers.. I just want to know the amp/volts rating..
[00:13:22] <Connor> looking for some sort of plug that'll work for my spindle. DC 16-amps 120v
[00:13:51] <Jymmm> 2KW
[00:13:54] <archivist> 16 amps is a lot for toy connectors
[00:14:19] <Connor> toy connector ?
[00:15:20] <archivist> show a picture of what you call CB connector, it reminds me of those 4 pin mic connectors
[00:16:36] <Connor> It is.. But not the small ones.. the larger sized ones..
[00:17:22] <Connor> http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=090-535
[00:17:25] <Connor> the plug
[00:18:07] <archivist> so I was thinking of that, I would never expect that to last long
[00:19:12] <Jymmm> archivist: and why is that?
[00:19:22] <Jymmm> archivist: have you used them?
[00:19:43] <archivist> the weak sliding contact
[00:20:00] <Connor> They look pretty tough to me.. I just wasn't sure if they could handle the rating.
[00:20:00] <Jymmm> WHAT?
[00:20:40] <archivist> I have serviced failed connectors of all types over the years due to over current
[00:20:42] <Connor> I'm thinking of using one for my spindle motor connection..
[00:21:22] <Connor> probably double up the connection points since I have 4 pins.
[00:23:04] <archivist> the wiping force has to overcome any corrosion to make a good enough contact
[00:25:06] <archivist> ideally you get a microweld, DIN is good example of designed in high contact force but that has a very small pin for audio not for power use
[00:25:55] * archivist refers to a 1970's article on connector design and testing
[00:27:05] <Connor> I'm thinking 18 gauge wire, no more that 15' in length (4 conductor). Doubled up using one of those CB connectors.
[00:27:35] <fragalot> 4 brass bushings & 4 replacement brushes
[00:27:36] * fragalot nods
[00:27:49] <fragalot> (assuming you need a rotating connector)
[00:27:50] <archivist> I would expect the connector to heat up and burnout eventually
[00:28:11] <fragalot> if you only need static, I highly recommend HARTING
[00:28:17] <Connor> fragalot: What? for just a connector ?
[00:28:42] <Connor> archivist: So, what kind of connector do you suggest then?
[00:29:02] <archivist> Harting will publish their ratings because they test their stuff
[00:29:03] <Jymmm> a $30/ea one I bet
[00:29:07] * fragalot => work
[00:30:51] <Connor> Well.. I WILL say that the EXISTING connector is just a plan old spade style connector.. Came on the motor..
[00:32:36] <Connor> I think the CB will be fine. The motor will never hit 16 amps.. If it does.. I'll have far more problems..
[00:33:35] <archivist> Harting for your needs part number for the male 09 12 005 2633 description HAN Q 5/0 Insert male quick lock
[00:34:12] <archivist> no idea on price
[00:34:20] * Jymmm hit it on the nose!!!
[00:34:44] <Jymmm> Connor: told ya archivist would suggest a $30/ea connector... http://www.newark.com/harting/09-12-005-2633/han-q-5-0-insert-male-quick-lock/dp/92P7433
[00:35:32] <archivist> female 09 12 005 2733 HAN Q 5/0 Insert female Quick Lock
[00:36:34] <Jymmm> Connor: But, tossing 2000 Watts into a 4pin din thru 18ga wire I think is seriously pushing it.
[00:36:54] <archivist> it is not a din
[00:38:58] <archivist> the fact that the mic connector has no current or voltage rating should tell you not to use it
[00:51:33] <archivist> and mic connector is a pin short, no ground pin
[00:51:56] <Jymmm> you forgot shield
[00:53:14] <archivist> mic housing is rather poor to grip a shield
[00:55:23] <archivist> is the gap from a pin to shell enough for US mains rating
[00:56:43] <Jymmm> I'd never use them for B+
[00:56:47] <archivist> I have always assumed it is a 12v rated part
[00:57:25] <Jymmm> 120V but like 4.5A
[00:57:49] <Jymmm> I STILL wouldn't use the for mains though.
[00:58:17] <Jymmm> Love the MAINS/PS disclaimer http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/spx-series/nl4fx
[00:58:38] <Jymmm> 250V@40A RMS + disclaimer =)
[00:59:03] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9sab6tfqszzlzi/2013-01-28%2001.36.40.jpg
[00:59:08] <Jymmm> http://dx.com/p/4-pin-speaker-cable-plug-connectors-blue-black-5-piece-pack-137612
[01:02:32] <Jymmm> I can't tell if that's .125 push on
[01:02:34] <Jymmm> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_138397_3.jpg
[01:04:08] <archivist> my scales have a 5 pin version of the mic connector made by PLT by the look of it
[01:05:29] <Jymmm> Hmmm, they have a "PowerCon" connector too it seems.. http://www.neutrik.com/en/audio/powercon/powercon-20-a/nac3mpa-1
[01:05:38] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, what is that?
[01:05:45] <tjb1> part to extend my z
[01:05:58] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[01:06:53] <r00t4rd3d> did it mess up?
[01:08:54] <Jymmm> lol
[01:09:01] <Jymmm> hahahahahahahaha
[01:09:47] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: No my friend, that is just the shittyness of a DIY 3D printer =)
[01:10:41] <Jymmm> "That's the way it's suppose to look"
[01:12:14] <Jymmm> tjb1: I'm sorry man, I like the idea of 3D printing, but the implementation I've seem on YouTube is lacking for my tastes.
[01:12:37] <Jymmm> tjb1: I did see one that was perfect, but it did take up half a room.
[01:13:02] <Jymmm> s/perfect/I'd seriously consider/
[01:13:03] <tjb1> the stereolithography are awesome but the prints have little use except for holding them
[01:13:24] <tjb1> Mine does a decent job for what its made of
[01:13:29] <tjb1> Takes a hell of a lot of tuning
[01:13:50] <Jymmm> Welcome to the world of polymers
[01:14:07] <Jymmm> and hermosets
[01:14:08] <tjb1> Slic3r comes set up pretty crappy
[01:14:23] <tjb1> They should set slic3r to a "default"
[01:14:32] <Jymmm> no such thing
[01:14:47] <tjb1> I know there isnt a default
[01:15:00] <tjb1> But they have the speeds up so high for infills and everything
[01:16:17] <archivist> I dont see how there can be sensible defaults as each machine and plastic and software are different
[01:17:01] <Jymmm> tjb1: If you think that is bad, NEVER EVER get into anything that deals with WAX =)
[01:18:07] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYs6jASd_Ww
[01:18:09] <Jymmm> tjb1: I spoke to a chemist at the applications lab at the manufacture/processing plant and got SERIOUSLY (but graciously) SKOOLED
[01:18:14] <tjb1> archivist: What I am saying is they need to put the settings on the lower end rather than the upper
[01:20:47] <Jymmm> Tid bit... Did you know that wax is actually a waste by-product from the petroleum refining process
[01:24:33] <Jymmm> Oh, any idea on how to empty a gas tank on a 2001 Ford?
[01:25:25] <r00t4rd3d> unhook the fuel line and power the fuel pump
[01:25:52] <Jymmm> in tank fuel pump is dead and the reaosn why I need to empty the tank =)
[01:26:20] <r00t4rd3d> garden hose and siphon
[01:26:34] <Jymmm> anti-siphon thingy in filler neck
[01:27:04] <r00t4rd3d> jam threw it with a broom stick handle
[01:27:23] <Jymmm> can't, will fail emissions
[01:27:32] <tjb1> unscrew the gas neck
[01:27:52] <Jymmm> tjb1: anti-siphon is below that point
[01:27:59] <tjb1> drill a hole in it
[01:28:12] <Jymmm> O_o
[01:28:17] <r00t4rd3d> drop it and change the pump full
[01:28:22] <tjb1> drill a hole in the tank
[01:28:33] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: it's full, and why I have to empty it
[01:28:50] <archivist> pay a professional
[01:28:54] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[01:28:58] <Jymmm> too much
[01:29:12] <r00t4rd3d> burn it down and collect the insurance
[01:29:23] <Jymmm> dealer $1100, other shops $500 - 700
[01:29:34] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: I'd get caught
[01:30:06] <archivist> this has been going on for weeks...just do it
[01:30:28] <Jymmm> I am the pump is on it's way. Just need to empty the tank now
[01:31:26] <tjb1> roll it over
[01:31:34] <Jymmm> wont start
[01:31:37] <archivist> why, drop off the vehicle, replace pump, use new pump to empty, put back on vehicle
[01:31:48] <tjb1> you dont need to start it to roll over
[01:31:55] <Jymmm> in-tank pump
[01:32:16] <tjb1> Can you take the line off and siphon through the outlet?
[01:32:46] <archivist> the pump will stop that probably
[01:32:50] <Jymmm> tjb1: in-tank pump to fuel filter. I was told the pump isn't "free flowing"
[01:32:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/M9Bbqwi.jpg
[01:33:01] <r00t4rd3d> try that
[01:33:18] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: you first
[01:33:32] <tjb1> Cant you stuff a hose down the neck and then pull it out when you have the tank down?
[01:33:51] <Jymmm> tjb1: No, hang on...
[01:34:29] <Jymmm> tjb1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k39E2PRofIo
[01:35:29] <archivist> support the tank, unbolt, disconnect pipes, lift car off and roll it out the way
[01:35:58] <tjb1> stuff a hose in the vent hole
[01:36:02] <Jymmm> I only have a tiny floor jack, won't support lower the tank full
[01:36:40] <Jymmm> ...without going all over the place
[01:37:08] <tjb1> Suppose that gas weighs 8lbs a gallon, thats only 168
[01:37:14] <tjb1> You hsould be able to bench that
[01:37:48] <tjb1> so get under there and lift
[01:37:54] <Jymmm> tjb1: The car frame hits my sternum as it is, trying to balance a long fuel tank sloshing around 20 gallons of fluid aint fun
[01:38:02] <archivist> how full anyway may be lighter
[01:38:18] <tjb1> Well jack the rear end, put it on stands and get a second person
[01:38:34] <tjb1> put wood under supporting the tank, lower one side, one piece of wood at a time
[01:38:38] <archivist> all I have to say is levers
[01:39:03] <tjb1> You can handle one side a time by yourself I would suppose
[01:39:08] <archivist> bits of wood, and blocks
[01:39:28] <Jymmm> Sure, but balancing a full tank sloshing around is the key word.
[01:39:47] <tjb1> You arent balancing anything
[01:39:56] <tjb1> Cut a bunch of 2x4s whatever the length of the tank is
[01:40:01] <tjb1> Put a stack on each side
[01:40:25] <tjb1> the straps will probably lower it onto the 2x4 if you get them close enough
[01:40:43] <tjb1> lift side, remove 1 2x4, go to other side and repeat
[01:40:47] <Jymmm> they are funky and diagonal straps.
[01:40:56] <Jymmm> like a Z pattern
[01:41:11] <tjb1> So?
[01:41:20] <archivist> the bolts are at the sides so what
[01:41:34] <tjb1> Dont fill your tank up next time ;)
[01:41:52] <Jymmm> Anyhow, I'm not dropping the tank with 20 gal period, I need to get most of the gas out.
[01:42:02] <tjb1> Well I dont know what to tell you
[01:42:16] <tjb1> either stuff a hose in the vent line, try to pull from the outlet or drill a hole in the tank
[01:42:45] <tjb1> You cant unhook the filler hose and move it enough to put a hose in that hole?
[01:42:47] <archivist> drilling a hole is a bit of a fire hazard
[01:43:15] <archivist> the vent is probably trivial to get at inside the car
[01:43:40] <tjb1> How long are the bolts in the straps/
[01:43:41] <tjb1> ?
[01:44:02] <Jymmm> tried, it's a double wall floor, and not inline with the fuel pump hoes
[01:44:26] <Jymmm> I WISH I could cut an access hatch
[01:44:38] <archivist> you got hoes in the car too!
[01:44:55] <Jymmm> It aint a pimp-mobile
[01:44:56] <tjb1> Want me to lower it for you...
[01:45:13] <Jymmm> tjb1: you stay away from my car fucker!
[01:45:23] <tjb1> Its only 200lb max
[01:45:25] <tjb1> just use blocks
[01:45:46] <archivist> jack and pack in reverse to lower
[01:46:21] <tjb1> Run a forklift under it
[01:46:25] <Jymmm> Have you ever seen when someone jacks up a car and doesn't use chocks?
[01:46:45] <archivist> use chokes as well dummy
[01:47:03] <tjb1> Must of forget them one time before :P
[01:47:05] <archivist> and chocks
[01:47:11] * Jymmm googles fuel tank chocks! WHACK
[01:47:49] <Jymmm> But, I did find a MC jack
[01:48:03] <archivist> you need to learn jack and pack which can be very gentle and small movements
[01:48:50] <archivist> with long supports all the work can be out from under the car
[01:48:59] <tjb1> "Jymmm: Anyhow, I'm not dropping the tank with 20 gal period, I need to get most of the gas out."
[01:49:18] <r00t4rd3d> maryanne
[01:49:42] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Gilligan
[01:50:24] <r00t4rd3d> most times I would rather be asleep then awake.
[01:50:44] <tjb1> Jymmm: stop being a wuss and drop it already
[01:52:29] <archivist> but first get the car high enough to clear when drawing it out from under
[01:53:10] <tjb1> lower air out of all tires
[01:53:14] <tjb1> drop tank
[01:53:16] <tjb1> put air back in tires
[01:53:33] <Jymmm> Yeah, That's why I bought the chocks (driveway slopes), borrowing jack stands
[01:53:37] <tjb1> thatll get you what 3-4"?
[01:53:47] <Jymmm> tjb1: If I had 12" rims =)
[01:56:48] <Jymmm> fuck me, indexing 5000 page service manual
[01:58:14] <Jymmm> Bah, they have the car on a lift and use a tranny jack
[02:00:37] <tjb1> oh my
[02:00:44] <tjb1> the support structure did amazing on this print
[02:00:57] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:01:24] <tjb1> morning!
[02:01:29] <DJ9DJ> hi there :)
[02:03:39] <tjb1> im counting on a snow day tomorrow
[02:03:50] <tjb1> class in 6 hours and the printer has another 30 minutes to go
[02:05:47] <DJ9DJ> hm, here most snow melted yesterday, when it started raining. but over night it freezed again and now its icy and slippery
[02:06:23] <Jymmm> Really... flying sparks while cutting the FUEL LINE clamp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01v8iqegzA&playnext=1&list=PL9yXoUgeAa5Paf3_Q50_irBUyeau-Ac2o&feature=results_video
[02:07:28] <DJ9DJ> hi jymmm! :D
[02:07:44] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: Oh, you're NOT a bot afterall
[02:08:09] <DJ9DJ> not really ^^
[02:08:20] <Jymmm> heh
[02:09:21] <Jymmm> "Yeah, let me drop the screw into the gas tank"
[02:16:13] <Jymmm> I wonder how many watched this and the tape released/broke... BAM! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYLJd07mZsM
[02:40:40] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:58:14] <Tecan> mornin Loetmichel why are you way over there
[06:14:54] <mrsun> hmm anyone have a mechmate and know what teir numbers for "runout" on the rails are? :P
[06:15:51] <mrsun> omg some aparently have ground to 0.02 inch .. that is 0.5mm and is happy with that :P
[06:17:08] <mrsun> or height diffo n the rails
[06:20:13] <mrsun> well some more grinding then, try to get the low spots out and get it quite close to even all over and then the Y axis rails will have to be done =)
[06:34:45] <Tecan> grinding... whatcha grinding ?
[06:35:43] <Tecan> http://hackaday.com/2013/01/12/finally-ti-is-producing-simple-cheap-wifi-modules/
[06:38:20] <mrsun> Tecan, rails for a "mechmate" router
[06:38:25] <mrsun> tho smaller and my own design
[06:38:29] <mrsun> but uses the same rail system
[06:44:23] <mrsun> tho rails are bent :/ so hard to get it "straight" :P
[06:45:15] <mrsun> but hell, im at about 0.2mm error so far
[06:45:24] <mrsun> over 1.5 meters
[07:51:21] <Loetmichel> Tecan: hmm? i am ion germany, as ever... what do you mean?
[07:56:35] <Tecan> ah now your here
[07:56:57] <Tecan> you were way up at the top of the screen between the join part messages :P
[08:00:16] <Loetmichel> hrhr, sorry, i am at the company. i have a bit of lag here (vnc home to my IRC client) and haf to work a little to earn my wage ;-)
[08:00:19] <Loetmichel> ... now and then ;-)
[09:12:01] <mutilator> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24715738/IMG_20130128_095004.jpg is this a latency issue
[09:12:02] <mutilator> ?
[09:12:28] <mutilator> cut with a vbit
[09:18:24] <cpresser> mutilator: steppers?
[09:18:51] <cpresser> perhaps your accelleration is set to high and you are losing steps
[09:25:01] <mutilator> yea steppers
[09:25:15] <mutilator> i'll try to slow it then
[09:25:36] <JT-Shop> mutilator: did you do a stepper test to find the limits of each axis?
[09:26:03] <mutilator> yea
[09:26:13] <mutilator> well
[09:27:43] <mutilator> i did the latency test thing
[09:27:57] <mutilator> is there something else i should do?
[09:29:13] <micges> mutilator: multicore motherboard?
[09:29:23] <mutilator> no, a p4
[09:29:24] <JT-Shop> how did you set the acceleration and velocity?
[09:29:35] <mutilator> old dellgx260
[09:29:52] <micges> show us latency-test numbers
[09:30:46] <JT-Shop> mutilator: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Stepper_Diagnostics.html#_testing
[09:32:10] <mutilator> lemme boot the machine
[09:32:10] <mutilator> sec
[09:34:33] <mutilator> http://superkap.com/f/ee9c9e506800231326b9e51ad0adfca8
[09:35:01] <chopper79> Hello,
[09:35:03] <betology> Hello, do you know if emc2 can run on rt-kernel from debian wheezy?
[09:35:26] <mutilator> http://superkap.com/f/73236722299633b9942301503fefe45f after i opened a few apps and did some stuff
[09:36:22] <chopper79> I am needing some help with a plasma configuration on EMC2. The configuration I have works almost 100% excluding an issue when it comes to the Z axis not keeping position during THC command. Any one able to help me with tis or maybe just talk about what this could be?
[09:38:17] <JT-Shop> what do you mean by "Z axis not keeping position"?
[09:40:30] <micges> mutilator: hyperthreating disabled?
[09:42:15] <chopper79> @JT-Shop..... When the Z axis is being controlled by the THC commands it will raise and lower to keep the arc voltage correct. The issue is it will slowly creep down unti lthe tip hits the material and eventually trip the float switch. It almost seems that its a mathmatical error such as the THC sends the up command to emc2 and it goes up X amoutn, but then when the THC sends the down command it does not know the actual position so it send a few to many
[09:42:37] <mutilator> micges: yea /proc/cpuinfo only shows one proc
[09:43:11] <JT-Shop> what are you sending the up and down commands to?
[09:43:32] <micges> mutilator: did you enter 33000 to base thread jitter in stepconf?
[09:43:47] <mutilator> i htink i put 40000
[09:44:14] <mutilator> cause it would spike higher when i tested other times
[09:44:22] <mutilator> but never more than 40k
[09:44:41] <micges> mutilator: good
[09:44:57] <micges> mutilator: what are your acc and vel settings?
[09:45:16] <chopper79> @JT-Shop..... The Up/Down commands are being sent from the THC to a secondary breakout board attached to a secondary parallel port on my computer. This is all running into EMC2 and works great excluding the Z issue
[09:45:19] <mutilator> 35k i guess i had it at
[09:46:08] <mutilator> http://pastebin.sandboxsite.net/2@raw
[09:46:10] <JT-Shop> how is it "running into emc"?
[09:47:40] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.... it is going into pins 10 and 11 on ther secondary port. If it would help I can send yo my configuration files.
[09:48:11] <chopper79> @JT-Shop... I may not be fully understanding your question either so please forgive me
[09:49:53] <JT-Shop> np, what are you using in emc to move the Z axis up and down based on the two inputs?
[09:50:55] <micges> mutilator: did you had latency warnings in linuxcnc?
[09:51:15] <mutilator> i do yes, but i've never been able to get rid of it
[09:51:20] <mutilator> right when i start the app there is a warning
[09:52:50] <mutilator> ok scratch that
[09:52:58] <mutilator> if i change it to 100,000 i dont get the error
[09:53:06] <mutilator> anything below i get it
[09:53:21] <chopper79> @JT-SHop....My configuration is a modified THC300 config. They seem to be going through a MUX and the Z axis step gen signals are being hijacked and are somehow or another being timed somehow to ensure position.
[09:53:36] <micges> mutilator: I see
[09:53:50] <micges> mutilator: back in 30min, dinner
[09:54:55] <chopper79> @JT-Shop....I can do a lot of cool things in EMC2, but a Plasma THC config is a mind blower!
[09:55:08] <chopper79> Started drinking...haha
[09:56:07] <JT-Shop> thc300 made me kick the cat and then start drinking
[09:56:29] <mutilator> that test program wont work
[09:56:38] <mutilator> it says its moving the z axis in the wrong direction
[09:56:45] <JT-Shop> I've not known more that one person that can understand that and he is sailing round the world I think
[09:56:58] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.... haha- it s there a better way for me to be going then?
[09:57:14] <JT-Shop> you might try my thcud component
[09:57:54] <JT-Shop> it is from my thc component and it's on this page http://gnipsel.com/shop/plasma/plasma.xhtml
[09:59:06] <JT-Shop> mutilator: your not making sense
[09:59:19] <JT-Shop> what is "it"
[10:00:51] <JT-Shop> and did you read the instructions?
[10:01:18] <chopper79> @JT-Shop... Thank you and is that a pretty well used component or is it just another attempt at trying to get EMC2 and steppers to work on a plasma?
[10:02:15] <chopper79> @JT-Shop...... Its just seems there is not that many EMC2 Plasma users and maybe the THC issue is the reason why. I have seen some with a Mesa configs and servos
[10:03:49] <JT-Shop> there seem to be plenty plasma's running steppers
[10:05:09] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.....I wonder how they are doing it then, unless they are using the thcud instead of any of the THC300,1000, etc configs
[10:05:12] <JT-Shop> the Mesa THCAD card is the most cost effective THC on the market by a factor of 3.75 or so and that is what I use with the thc component that is included with EMC from 2.4
[10:05:32] <JT-Shop> most use the THCAD card and the thc component
[10:06:30] <JT-Shop> I modified the thc component for a guy with an up/down thc
[10:06:51] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.... Here is the THC I am using. http://proma-elektronika.pl/cnc-plasma-thc-controller-torch-height-control/
[10:07:36] <JT-Shop> should work fine with the thcud component
[10:08:33] <JT-Shop> nice little unit, what is the cost?
[10:09:32] <chopper79> @JT-Shop..... I will giv eit a try and see what kind of damage I can create. Are you able to use all the widgets like the THC300 config, such as Peirce height, cut height, etc? The unit cost about 300USD I believe, maybe a little less.
[10:09:44] <chopper79> It works great and is real responsive
[10:12:17] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.... Gonna go smoke and then I will be back on. Give me a couple minuts please.
[10:12:47] <JT-Shop> hands greasy only one finger left stand by
[10:19:49] <JT-Shop> I use a floating head to "touch off" the plate then use the subroutine touchoff.ngc and pass the pierce height, pierce delay and cut height to it
[10:31:55] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.... So when you us the .ngc sub to lower the head and touch off. Then you pass the commands of peirce delay, height, cut height to it how?
[10:34:10] <JT-Shop> my post processor puts the subroutine call in the plasma file for each torch start
[10:34:53] <JT-Shop> it is as simple as o<touchoff> call [0.125][0.2][0.100]
[10:39:24] <chopper79> @JT-Shop..... Ok, what cam and post are you using?
[10:39:44] <frallzor> ahoyhoy
[10:39:46] <chopper79> Or can you give me an actual example of how it functions
[10:39:59] <chopper79> such as a piece of code you use
[10:48:43] <JT-Shop> I use sheetcam for not simple things and use ngcgui subrotines for simple shapes
[10:49:15] <JT-Shop> the post I use is on my web site on the plasma page
[10:50:21] <JT-Shop> a file to cut a knife blank out http://pastebin.com/yqvweYSe
[10:51:43] <JT-Shop> with all of my files I jog to the start point then use G92 to zero the axes
[11:02:17] <JT-Shop> I think the myth that steppers and linuxcnc are not used for plasma is spread by expensive THC control makers who also want to sell you a copy of Mack3
[11:18:17] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.... I am using SheetCAM also so the post you have should work well for me. Can you link me to it? I will give the THCUD a shot and see what happens. The G92 command is entered in MDI I would guess?
[11:19:02] <JT-Shop> the sheetcam post is on the page with the thcud component
[11:19:12] <JT-Shop> the G92 is part of the post
[11:19:23] <JT-Shop> see the example file on pastebin
[11:21:46] <chopper79> @JT-Shop..... Well know I seen it (feels like idiot) The post would be the EMC-Plasma.scpost, I am not sure why I did not put 2 and 2 together on that one.
[11:22:03] <frallzor> ello thar Mister JT Sir
[11:22:28] <JT-Shop> lol, what's up mr frallzor sir
[11:22:51] <JT-Shop> chopper79: easy mistake if your not familar with sheetcam posts
[11:22:55] <frallzor> not much, preparing for something awful
[11:23:16] <JT-Shop> MIL moving in?
[11:23:22] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.... I see that the the .hal and .ini are way diferent then what I am used to. Are they for the mesa board?
[11:23:39] <frallzor> cleaning the room where my machine is placed, thats awful!
[11:23:50] <JT-Shop> in what way different? and yes it is for a mesa board
[11:24:14] <JT-Shop> that's not too bad try cleaning the coolant tank on a Hardinge CHNC!
[11:24:18] <frallzor> I do 90& wood and plastic, and I am lazy so most of the time the dust shoe is off! =P
[11:24:33] <frallzor> and that makes a nice mess
[11:26:03] <chopper79> @JT-Shop.... I am using a parallel port and I am not seeing where you have used any parport info in your .hal
[11:26:17] <tandoori> man, i can't wait to get my cnc mill....it would be so sweet
[11:26:31] <frallzor> tandoori first one?
[11:26:50] <tandoori> frallzor: aye, it is
[11:27:02] <frallzor> You´ll love it when you break tool after tool after tool. And then you will hate that son of a b.....
[11:27:08] <chopper79> for step and direction I should say
[11:27:14] <JT-Shop> yea, you would have to convert the mesa pins to parallel port pins
[11:27:16] <frallzor> then you try again, and something works, then you´ll love it
[11:27:22] <tandoori> breaking tools?
[11:27:39] <frallzor> Oh yes, it WILL happen =)
[11:27:57] <tandoori> doin something you shouldn't be :-P
[11:28:17] <frallzor> I break tools now and then when playing with new things
[11:28:25] <tandoori> mainly i want to use it for milling pcbs, but I have other plans for it too. making enclosures, mechanical parts, etc
[11:28:27] <frallzor> and sometimes when I clean my machine =P
[11:28:37] <chopper79> @JT-Shop..... Is there a special way to convert them or just go by the data sheet for the mesa board?
[11:29:00] <tandoori> frallzor: im getting one that can mill steel. unfortunately the one that i want is about 3.6k
[11:29:05] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I'm not sure if it's brake fluid or grease yet, but the inside of the driver's rear rim is covered. If it's NOT brake fluid, how much of a PITA is it to replace axel seals?
[11:30:09] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: what kind and year?
[11:30:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: 2001 Ford Expedition (Same chassis as F-150)
[11:30:32] <frallzor> I wanted steel-possibility but that didnt walk hand in hand with the size vs cost I had in mind =P
[11:31:25] <tandoori> frallzor: which one did you get?
[11:31:51] <JT-Shop> I would guess similar to a chevy rear axle, take wheel off, take diff apart till axle comes out then pull seal, reverse
[11:32:18] <frallzor> tandoori a diy-machine
[11:32:24] <frallzor> mechmate
[11:32:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Can I do it with hand tools or will I need a compressor/impact wrench?
[11:32:55] <JT-Shop> I have a ford rear end and I only had to take the pin for the inner gears out then push the axle in till the c clip falls out then the axle comes out
[11:33:06] <tandoori> frallzor: orly? and how much did that cost you?
[11:33:20] <JT-Shop> can be done with wrenches or sockects
[11:33:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ok, cool. I'm almost hoping it's brake fluid.
[11:33:49] <frallzor> I hate talking prices in different currencies, its all depending on economy and rates etc
[11:33:57] <JT-Shop> your axle have a diff cover in the back or does the chuck come out the front?
[11:34:06] <frallzor> but in swedish kronor its about at least 50000
[11:34:48] <mrsun> 7786 according to google
[11:34:52] <mrsun> 7786$
[11:34:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjCVMNXw84
[11:35:26] <tandoori> frallzor: wanna see the one i am possibly going to get:
[11:35:39] <frallzor> shoot, I love looking at cnc-porn =)
[11:36:14] <tandoori> http://www.dearmondtool.com/taigcncmill.htm
[11:36:17] <tandoori> that first one
[11:36:57] <frallzor> ah popoular design, many similar around
[11:37:26] <tandoori> oh? with same quality? ive been trying to find similar for lower price
[11:37:33] <tandoori> but have been unsuccessful
[11:37:51] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: yea, easy one to work on
[11:37:58] <tandoori> especially with that 4th axis (must have)
[11:38:10] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ok, cool. YAY YouTube =)
[11:38:18] <frallzor> I have no idea on quality, but seen similar ones =)
[11:39:43] <tandoori> oh? like?
[11:39:44] <tandoori> heh
[11:40:00] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: There is just *SO* many frickin wires/sensors/etc I want to find like a lil diesel pickup now
[11:40:01] <tandoori> if its rated to cut steel then i'd definitely look at it
[11:40:50] <tandoori> i only wish the travel distance wasn't so...tiny
[11:41:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Have you seen the "Road Trek" van/RV things?
[11:42:15] <frallzor> tandoori main reason why I didnt care about steel, bigger area = $$$$$$$ =)
[11:42:49] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: It's an extended length van chassis that's been converted to a Mini RV with shower, frig, toilet, etc 2014's are around $90K, Older used ones around $30K
[11:43:14] <JT-Shop> never seen one before
[11:43:45] <JT-Shop> chopper79: I'm not sure what your asking
[11:43:46] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.roadtrek.com/
[11:44:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: 190-Popular
[11:45:03] <Jymmm> Oh, and fiberglass raised roof
[11:45:07] <frallzor> which version of EMC is on the iso?
[11:45:18] <Jymmm> frallzor: none
[11:45:38] <frallzor> oh, no live-cd anymore?
[11:45:47] <Jymmm> frallzor: no, no EMC anymore =)
[11:46:08] <frallzor> blablabla *linuxcnc then blabla
[11:47:03] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: They are pretty cool in the fact that you don't have to drag a trailer or need 40 acres to make a u-turn
[11:48:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Personally, I think working on van is just wrong, but if you could to the same thing on a truck chassis, might be interesting.
[11:50:45] <frallzor> Hmm I would like to update my cnc-computer, but that means to reconfigure everything.... decisions decisions
[11:51:23] <AR_> you can save your config files...
[11:51:31] <frallzor> any advantages using pre-linuxCNC live-cd installation vs new one?
[11:51:36] <frallzor> *dis
[11:51:59] <frallzor> or nothing crucial in newer versions?
[11:52:06] <AR_> it has a new name
[11:52:21] <Jymmm> frallzor: Um, after backing up your files, you could just pull the hdd out and put in a new computer.
[11:52:25] <r00t4rd3d> on some older computers the older version works where the newer one doesnt
[11:53:17] <r00t4rd3d> or maybe i misread what he was asking...
[11:53:46] <frallzor> if there is a need to update =) or its nothing new that can be usefaul in later versions?
[11:54:21] <r00t4rd3d> are you talking about using like the newest version of ubuntu ?
[11:54:40] <frallzor> new live-cd vs old one pretty much
[11:54:47] <r00t4rd3d> you cant
[11:55:03] <r00t4rd3d> unless your linux guru
[11:55:07] <JT-Shop> frallzor: what version are you using now?
[11:55:19] <frallzor> the pre-linuxCNC
[11:55:26] <r00t4rd3d> what is pre-linuxcnc?
[11:55:37] <alex4nder> r00t4rd3d: it's not that hard
[11:55:42] <frallzor> livecd with EMC2
[11:55:44] <alex4nder> you need to be 1/2 of a linux guru
[11:55:52] <frallzor> and not linuxCNC
[11:55:56] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[11:57:26] <JT-Shop> hmmm the first one had EMC 2.1 I think on it with Ubuntu 6.04
[11:58:29] <frallzor> works fine as is, but cant blame a guy for wanting to update if that brings joy to the world and machine
[11:58:50] <frallzor> or if it wont do much good, why update
[11:58:51] <r00t4rd3d> alex4nder, so where is the 12.04 iso with linuxcnc preinstalled?
[11:59:05] <r00t4rd3d> and working...
[11:59:25] <alex4nder> r00t4rd3d: what?
[11:59:34] <alex4nder> I'm talking about using LinuxCNC on a new distro.
[11:59:58] <r00t4rd3d> well if its not that hard
[11:59:58] <alex4nder> not about supplying you with a brain-dead installer.. that wouldn't require much of a Linux guru.
[12:00:50] <alex4nder> it took me a couple hours to build installable .debs for my clean Debian install.
[12:02:55] <JT-Shop> frallzor: is your machine near by?
[12:03:08] <JT-Shop> open up axis and see what version your running
[12:03:55] <r00t4rd3d> support runs out on 10.04 LTS in April 2013.
[12:05:45] <r00t4rd3d> funny how to morons at canonical think 3 years is long term.
[12:06:10] <r00t4rd3d> to/the*
[12:08:01] <fragalot> that is long term in the software business these days
[12:08:05] <fragalot> :P
[12:08:39] <fragalot> is it bad that since I started fixing my cnc mill, I now have 30 emails from ebay confirming I bought things,
[12:08:50] <fragalot> and that none of them are in any way related to the machine ._.
[12:09:46] <tandoori> man that is so awesome, i think i am going to just get the 3-axis mill now and get the 4th axis later
[12:09:56] <tandoori> because I found that same mill for like 1.3k
[12:10:02] <tandoori> without the 4th axis
[12:11:24] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:12:33] <fragalot> hey
[12:13:04] <frallzor> JT-Shop not close but I can go and check
[12:17:00] <frallzor> 2.3.5
[12:19:32] <r00t4rd3d> thats pretty old
[12:19:43] <r00t4rd3d> March 3, 2010 EMC 2.3.5 released
[12:19:45] <fragalot> awesome
[12:19:54] <fragalot> even when attempting to mill a surface flat, I get a 0.1mm bow
[12:20:20] <frallzor> I know its old, but is there a need to update? =)
[12:20:20] <fragalot> and a 0.13mm one on another axis
[12:21:30] <r00t4rd3d> frallzor, you can update it without losing everything i think
[12:22:09] <frallzor> might aswell do a clean install, never hurts
[12:22:16] <IchGuckLive> frallzor: please safe your config folder !!
[12:22:31] <frallzor> but the question is, any advantage doing an update?
[12:22:53] <frallzor> works fine as it is now, will never versions do something 2.3.5 doesnt?
[12:23:35] <fragalot> frallzor: "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" ?
[12:24:14] <frallzor> but the perfektionist in me screams "update, its allways good" =P
[12:24:39] <IchGuckLive> frallzor: why not getting the master from the buildbot
[12:25:22] <frallzor> Im not a linuxguy, so I prefer the idiot-proof way with live-cd
[12:26:14] <micges> frallzor: I agree with fragalot
[12:26:22] <tandoori> i know there are some people saying that there could be problems milling a pcb because of uneaven surfaces, but I am not really sure how that could be a problem as long as you have the proper depth to compensate, right?
[12:26:26] <tandoori> or am I missing something
[12:26:30] <fragalot> ffs
[12:27:02] <jthornton> why do people use .ui for a glade xml file?
[12:27:10] <fragalot> how on earth can a milled surface consistently skewed in relation to the spindle
[12:27:11] <frallzor> nothing improved with making "scripts" etc etc? not easier in later versions etc
[12:27:33] <jthornton> what version do you have?
[12:27:54] <jthornton> oh I see 2.3
[12:28:31] <jthornton> well in 2.4 you have ngcgui which is big boost in productivity for me ymmv
[12:30:30] <frallzor> hm nothing I really need if that is the biggest change then
[12:30:55] <micges> frallzor: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Released_2.4.X
[12:30:59] <jthornton> well and all the bug fixes
[12:31:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Memory/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A6713943
[12:31:18] <pcw_home> tandoori: I think the problem with PCBs, especially if you don't have a vacuum table is that the PCB is not flat (there are programs that probe the surface first to make a height map for compensation)
[12:32:31] <frallzor> hmm might aswell update, never hurts
[12:32:34] <tandoori> pcw_home: ahhh, what is this vacuum table you speak of?
[12:32:53] <frallzor> only issue I had last time was not emc-related so why not =)
[12:35:40] <pcw_home> tandoori: a box with a vacuum inside and holes on top that can hold thin sheets securely
[12:35:42] <pcw_home> to the top of the box via atmospheric pressure
[12:37:27] <jthornton> frallzor, make sure you follow the instructions on the wiki for updating
[12:37:44] <frallzor> Ill go clean with live-cd first
[12:37:47] <frallzor> so no biggie
[12:38:06] <jthornton> you still need to change a thing or two with your configs
[12:38:22] <fragalot> BAH
[12:38:34] <frallzor> ill go from scratch so Ill setup it again, just a few values to write down
[12:38:37] <frallzor> rest I can do again
[12:38:49] <jthornton> iirc one line has to be removed from the ini
[12:39:11] <frallzor> even if I do a "clean" live-cd install?
[12:39:11] <fragalot> freshly ground a V-cutter, took off one pass at 0.1mm, one at 0.25mm and one at 0.5mm ... all of them, when checked with a depth gauge, have the same bow
[12:39:14] <fragalot> how the hell
[12:39:37] <fragalot> (in PTFE)
[12:39:42] <jthornton> if you just copy your existing configs to a clean install of 2.5 you have to delete one line in the ini
[12:40:01] <tandoori> pcw_home: why couldn't you just clap it down?
[12:40:36] <fragalot> tandoori: vacuum provides an more even clamping, and is faster
[12:41:06] * fragalot afk
[12:41:20] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UPDATING
[12:41:38] <jthornton> For configurations that have not customized emc.nml, remove the inifile line NML_FILE = emc.nml
[12:41:49] <frallzor> ah
[12:43:38] <jthornton> frallzor, do you use a joypad in your config?
[12:45:18] <frallzor> nope
[12:45:27] <frallzor> used to before I decided to update
[12:45:57] <IchGuckLive> someone knows wher i can get planet gear systems for steppers Nema 23
[12:46:03] <frallzor> but then I realized I no nothing about linux and my touchscreen decided to dislike any extra usb-units attached =)
[12:46:08] <frallzor> *know
[12:46:27] <frallzor> so I have been stuck with a keyboard
[12:46:43] <jthornton> what touchscreen do you have?
[12:46:54] <frallzor> uhm....
[12:47:11] <frallzor> the chipset was elo-something
[12:47:50] <frallzor> and was a bitch setting up in the dist bundled with the live-cd back then
[12:48:15] <frallzor> atleast for me, with later versions it just worked alá plug and play
[12:48:16] <jthornton> I have on elo touch screen and one I sent back as I never could get it to work
[12:48:50] <jthornton> I had to follow some instructions on the web to get the first one working and then manually calibrate it
[12:49:14] <frallzor> me too, but it never worked like It should have worked, but it was good enough for me then
[12:49:29] <frallzor> got help once setting it up, then it worked as should
[12:49:41] <frallzor> not its pretty coarse accuracy, but it works
[12:49:49] <frallzor> *now
[12:50:40] <frallzor> the current live-cd, is it the same dist as it was with 2.3.5?
[12:50:46] <frallzor> or a newer one?
[12:51:24] <jthornton> the current livecd is Ubuntu 10.04 and LinuxCNC 2.5
[12:51:54] <frallzor> if so it might work flawlessly with this elo, since I recall the latest LTS-version back then (not the live-cd with emc) did love my touch
[13:11:06] <fragalot> any opinion here on the bosh colt as a low-power spindle?
[13:11:59] <fragalot> nvm, seems it's 110V only ._.
[13:12:24] <fragalot> might have a 110V transformer around somewhere but that's a faff
[13:32:53] <chopper79> JT-Shop...... are you stilll available?
[13:48:15] <fragalot> how annoying.. find a good seller for linear slides on german ebay, save seller, go onto belgian ebay, open seller store.. empty.. open same thing on german ebay, bam. full store
[13:48:18] <fragalot> ._.
[13:50:36] <Loetmichel> fragalot: which nseller?
[13:50:44] <Loetmichel> i AM german ;-)
[13:51:20] <fragalot> Loetmichel: cnc-discount
[13:51:33] <Loetmichel> ah... to expensive ;-)
[13:51:40] <fragalot> Loetmichel: do share
[13:52:08] <fragalot> i'm currently considering chucking my sable 2015 out the window & building a new one
[13:52:08] <Loetmichel> i thougth you had a cheaper source
[13:52:21] <fragalot> Loetmichel: do you have a cheaper source then?
[13:52:44] <Loetmichel> i know cnc-discount.. i order my linear slides and bb-spindles at chinese sellers
[13:53:07] <fragalot> I can't seem to find any via my ebay bubble
[13:53:10] <fragalot> :(
[13:53:14] <Loetmichel> even with tax and customs much cheaper
[13:54:11] <Loetmichel> fragalot: hmmm, hopefully you will sell it to a chap with more eagerness to get it repaired ?
[13:54:24] <Loetmichel> what about a cheap chinese complete solution?
[13:55:02] <fragalot> this WAS a cheap .. taiwanese.. complete solution
[13:55:03] <fragalot> xD
[13:55:14] <fragalot> it's just that I have no idea what's going on with this thing
[13:55:32] <fragalot> you mill something flat, so now that part is referenced to the axis, right?
[13:55:41] <fragalot> even done it with multiple passes at the same Z height
[13:55:44] <fragalot> ...it's not.
[13:56:08] <Loetmichel> something like this for example? http://www.ebay.de/itm/321061312512
[13:56:58] <Loetmichel> sounds like play of some kind in the linear slides or the mechanics after all
[13:57:11] <fragalot> i'm now actually running the machine as a shaper to rule out vibrations
[13:57:12] <fragalot> xD
[13:59:57] <fragalot> Loetmichel: that does look nice
[14:00:10] <roh> wow.. that IS cheap if its built as good as it looks
[14:00:47] <fragalot> Aye, I paid as much for this one
[14:00:48] <Loetmichel> roh: its only supported rails on y
[14:00:57] <Loetmichel> x and z aare unsupported rails
[14:01:13] <roh> meh
[14:01:15] <fragalot> Loetmichel: oh so the same shit this thing is then
[14:01:26] <roh> well. i think it would be ok to mill pcbs
[14:01:40] <fragalot> this one certainly isn't!
[14:01:41] <Loetmichel> but the pice with a watercooled spindle and rotational axis AND ball spindles on all axexs...
[14:01:41] <fragalot> >.<
[14:02:03] <roh> X any Z seem to have linear bearings on polished rods
[14:02:04] <Loetmichel> price
[14:02:19] <Loetmichel> and at 400mm travel in x its not that BAD
[14:02:29] <Loetmichel> FRIEND HAT BOUGHT SUCH A MACHINE:::
[14:02:40] <fragalot> BAH
[14:02:51] <roh> i am currently searching for a well built pcb milling machine
[14:02:58] <fragalot> PTFE, 0.1mm pass without spindle & a lathe bit just bolted directly on the Z carriage
[14:03:02] <Loetmichel> 8TOO THIN; CAN BEND DOWN
[14:03:07] <roh> ouch
[14:03:07] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry, capslock
[14:03:19] <fragalot> 0.15mm off, with a .03mm bow
[14:04:19] <Loetmichel> fragalot: have you checked the bending when you exert force to z?
[14:04:19] <fragalot> linearmotionbearings2008 seems to have decent sets, roh
[14:04:22] <fragalot> for a DIY
[14:04:42] <fragalot> Loetmichel: I have but I can't seem to figure out where it goes
[14:05:16] <fragalot> if I measure from Z carriage to X rails, 0 play, Z carriage to chassis cover plate behind X rails, 0.01mm play
[14:05:22] <fragalot> both are within measuring error
[14:05:28] <r00t4rd3d> all usb mice should have micro sdcard slot in them
[14:05:30] <fragalot> if I measure bed to Z carriage, I do get some flex
[14:05:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12623
[14:06:18] <Loetmichel> and the following pics (click "nächste")
[14:06:46] <roh> In diesem Shop gibt es derzeit 0 Angebote. Sie können später zurückkehren oder sich in anderen Shops umschauen.
[14:06:52] <roh> irgh.. sorry
[14:07:10] <Loetmichel> so to check ho much play/springy behaviour is in there?
[14:07:37] <fragalot> Loetmichel: 0.1mm when pushed left, 0.15mm when pushed right
[14:07:44] <pcw_home> r00t4rd3d: thats a good idea
[14:08:27] <fragalot> same for front to back
[14:09:07] <Loetmichel> roh: search for "CNC 6040" the machine is sold from varoius (changing) sellers
[14:09:42] <Loetmichel> fragalot: pushed wiht HOW much force?
[14:10:00] <fragalot> Loetmichel: firm but not strong
[14:10:24] <Loetmichel> maybe your linear bearings are not tightened to be free of rattle?
[14:10:31] <roh> hm. maybe a bit big. i'd like to find something with about 300mm X, 200mm Y and ~20-40mm Z.
[14:10:52] <roh> we already have big mill. the pcb one needs to be small
[14:10:59] <fragalot> Loetmichel: I checked that yesterday and tightened them to within the point where they were on the verge of not running perfectly smoothly anymore
[14:11:00] <Loetmichel> rob_h; the 6040 is also avianble as 4030
[14:11:11] <Loetmichel> ... and cheaper
[14:11:18] <fragalot> roh: stay away from the sable 2015
[14:11:18] <fragalot> :P
[14:11:25] <Loetmichel> oh sorry, i meant roh
[14:11:51] <fragalot> Loetmichel: measured X carriage vs bed: 0.3mm with same forces applied
[14:22:50] <fragalot> ah-ha
[14:23:02] <fragalot> X axis doesn't appear to actually HAVE any play adjusting screws
[14:26:23] <Loetmichel> fragalot: that is abit much
[14:26:48] <Loetmichel> the 0,3mm
[14:26:51] <fragalot> it is
[14:27:06] <Loetmichel> and is it "klockklock" or more bendy?
[14:27:12] <fragalot> I just took EVERYTHING apart, to the last nut, bolt & washer
[14:27:18] <fragalot> bolted together, it's bendy
[14:27:19] <Loetmichel> i.E: play or nenbding shafts?
[14:27:30] <fragalot> in pieces, the X appears to have a very slight play on it
[14:27:41] <roh> meh. too bad there are no proper opensource machines around.. as in plans to build good machines out of rails and sheet metal
[14:28:01] <Loetmichel> rob_h: wit it up...
[14:28:05] <fragalot> roh: that's because all the good ones are made out of solid cast iron
[14:28:06] <fragalot> :P
[14:28:11] <Loetmichel> i am in the process of designing one ;-)
[14:28:30] <Loetmichel> ... wooden one for a prototype ;-)
[14:29:00] <fragalot> Loetmichel: so yeah. I am in the market for either supported 300mm rails & carriages, or 12mm bearing blocks for unsupported rails
[14:29:10] <frallzor> http://s3.pji.nu/product/standard/800/544551.jpg hmm could one use this to control a machine via linuxCNC? xy and then press a button to activate Z?
[14:29:21] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8884
[14:29:24] <fragalot> unless if I can modify the existing blocks to have adjustment screws
[14:29:31] <roh> fragalot: i want to mill pcbs, so i think that can be made out of something like 10mm sheet aluminium
[14:29:34] <Loetmichel> ..right now, just the base plate is done
[14:29:47] <fragalot> do those normally have a round hole too or are they odd-shaped?
[14:30:06] <Loetmichel> will look something like thois hen done:
[14:30:08] <fragalot> frallzor: depends on how creative you get i'd say
[14:30:22] <Loetmichel> + an x and z axis of courese, but same principle
[14:30:28] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=359
[14:30:42] <fragalot> pretty
[14:30:48] <fragalot> kinda reminds me of the fireball
[14:31:02] <frallzor> nice build there
[14:31:13] <fragalot> roh: that said, fireball probably makes a decent pcb router
[14:31:58] <Loetmichel> fragalot: yeah, but too expensive
[14:32:08] <Loetmichel> thats 3mm FR4 glass fibre plates
[14:32:09] <fragalot> true, true
[14:32:26] <roh> fragalot: got a url?
[14:32:28] <Loetmichel> sorry, meant frallzor
[14:32:34] <fragalot> roh: ebay? :P
[14:33:03] <frallzor> what me? =P
[14:33:12] <frallzor> ahh too expensive build
[14:33:16] <Loetmichel> so i binned the idea to build a mill /router out of FR4
[14:33:16] <roh> hm. fireball cnc doesnt match anything
[14:33:17] <fragalot> roh: https://probotix.com/FireBall_v90_cnc_router_kit/
[14:33:28] <Loetmichel> ... and switched to "wood"
[14:34:03] <frallzor> Im trying to design a fireball look-alike
[14:34:09] <Loetmichel> fragalot: ouch... thats looks like it can only mill gouda cheese
[14:34:13] <frallzor> but using mor common materials
[14:34:15] <frallzor> *more
[14:34:36] <roh> fragalot: hm. that one doesnt seem to use ballbearing spindles
[14:34:48] <fragalot> roh: can be modified
[14:34:53] <r00t4rd3d> FireBall - Heavy Duty, Rigid MDF Contruction
[14:34:54] <AR_> my taig spindle is on the way :o
[14:35:04] <Loetmichel> no supported rails, no "verkastung" in the base and the gantry...
[14:35:12] <fragalot> r00t4rd3d: gotta love that name eh
[14:35:24] <fragalot> Loetmichel: that's why you get the $200 alu bed
[14:35:25] <fragalot> :P
[14:35:31] <Loetmichel> (whatrs the english wpord for it when you build square rooms in beams to make it rigid?
[14:35:45] <fragalot> torque box
[14:35:49] <Loetmichel> ah
[14:35:53] <Loetmichel> right
[14:35:55] <frallzor> http://imageshack.us/a/img208/4290/cnc3.jpg this look ok to you? just playing with some designs, I think this is the best (so far)
[14:36:04] <frallzor> torsion box
[14:36:07] <frallzor> I believe
[14:36:31] <Loetmichel> AR_: hrhr
[14:36:34] <fragalot> AR_: and a cool logo
[14:36:55] <fragalot> That said I bet it performs a whole lot better than this sable
[14:36:56] <fragalot> xD
[14:36:59] <roh> frallzor: nice, but lots of cuts
[14:37:06] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.microcarve.com/mcMV1.html
[14:37:15] <Loetmichel> i made a machine with 1500mm*1020mm*160mm travel out of (300kg) wood...
[14:37:24] <frallzor> roh no biggie with a machine to make a machine =)
[14:37:34] <roh> i wonder if one could design something which can be made by waterjet
[14:37:51] <roh> frallzor: if you got one big enough
[14:37:52] <Loetmichel> and it could go through 6mm FR4 with a 2mm mill bit at F4200... ;-)
[14:37:57] <fragalot> roh: don't see why not
[14:38:05] <fragalot> this sable looks jet cut
[14:38:12] <Loetmichel> without more than about 0,05mm deviation from the desired shape
[14:38:41] <frallzor> roh it looks bigger than it is I guess, about 1x0.5meter =)
[14:38:53] <Loetmichel> fraz: your pic looks familliar
[14:39:01] <Loetmichel> frallzor
[14:39:10] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/244560
[14:39:26] <frallzor> wouldnt be surprised, many builds have inspired me =)
[14:39:34] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4053
[14:39:37] <frallzor> so I guess one can spot many similarities
[14:39:42] <Loetmichel> thats the inside of:
[14:39:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[14:40:06] <Loetmichel> ... the big maschine i spoke oif ;-)
[14:40:08] <frallzor> torsion boxes are a must do with mdf =)
[14:40:17] <fragalot> kinda sad how my 3D printer made out of nothing but M8 rods, using 440mm long 8mm hardened rods feels more rigid than this 10mm alu plate machine
[14:40:20] <fragalot> xD
[14:40:26] <JT-Shop> a redesign with metal bar holders http://imagebin.org/244561
[14:40:52] <frallzor> oh Mr JT also designing a wooden machine?
[14:41:20] <JT-Shop> in my free time
[14:41:53] <Loetmichel> i use "siebdruckplatte", like a multi sheeet plywood glued with a water resistant resin rahter than white glue
[14:41:53] <JT-Shop> copying Loetmichel's design somewhat
[14:42:16] <JT-Shop> we can't get that at homless depot
[14:42:22] <Loetmichel> so it is pretty much "dead" to humidity a
[14:42:29] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: feel freee
[14:42:42] <frallzor> f**k humidity =)
[14:42:51] <frallzor> a good workshop is a regulated one
[14:43:28] <frallzor> and no flood coolant of course
[14:43:38] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: the second boig machine i helbed building:
[14:43:57] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11205
[14:44:02] <Loetmichel> HELPED
[14:44:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11175 back mplate and ribs of the gantry still missing
[14:45:41] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11178
[14:45:47] <Loetmichel> and thatsw rigid as HELL
[14:46:08] <Loetmichel> for some wood ;-)
[14:47:30] <Loetmichel> frallzor: coward ;-)
[14:47:56] <Loetmichel> you just need to put the machine in vacuum and then soak it witrh resin ;-)
[14:48:09] <Loetmichel> than you can use fllood cooling ;:)
[14:48:52] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: ask at Truck repair shops
[14:49:03] <Loetmichel> its often used as flat bed bottom plating
[14:49:52] <JT-Shop> they use oak boards over here for truck floors
[14:50:45] <Loetmichel> then i am out of ideas ;-)
[14:51:01] <JT-Shop> me too, and I looked around quite a bit
[14:56:36] <Loetmichel> i cantr nderstand that a wood dealer cant order that?
[14:57:13] <Loetmichel> is america so behind europe in wood selling
[14:57:37] <Loetmichel> (s/wood/junk made to wood boards)
[14:59:03] <AR_> wood selling
[15:00:17] <fragalot> Loetmichel: americans appear to have 0.5" tolerances on their wood too
[15:00:35] <fragalot> like a 2x4 isn't actually 2x4 inches due to tolerances
[15:01:01] <fragalot> here 100x150mm wooden beams are, surprisingly, 100x150mm :P
[15:01:21] <Loetmichel> fragalot: until you geht them honed.
[15:01:25] <JT-Shop> the tolerance is pretty tight for 2x4's but they don't measure 2 x 4 after milling
[15:01:39] <Loetmichel> then they are 96*144 or so
[15:02:08] <JT-Shop> pre-cut studs have a tight length tolerance but other lumber is usually an inch longer than nominal
[15:02:21] <Loetmichel> s/honed/planed
[15:03:35] <fragalot> Loetmichel: last honed wooden stock I bought was pretty spot on size wise :/
[15:04:31] <fragalot> but they were listed as their actual size rather than the original size
[15:04:33] <fragalot> as it should be
[15:04:34] * fragalot nods
[15:05:48] * mrsun has failed once again :(
[15:06:08] <Loetmichel> fragalot:in the local "home depot ("toom baumarkt" they have 50 by 50mm stock raw... and 50 by 50 planed which are actual 48 by 48... which is printed on the lapbel in microscopic writing ;-)
[15:08:10] <fragalot> Loetmichel: still is labeled correctly :P
[15:10:51] <Loetmichel> fragalot: but on the big label of the shelf is written "50mm*50mm gehobelt"... and ohnt the studs itselfdis a20mm square label with price, Iban and the writiing "5050gehobelt, 48*48mm*3000mm"
[15:16:27] <frallzor> jesus tittie f**king christ, it takes alot of vacuumbags to clean my machine
[15:18:05] <fragalot> Loetmichel: there are no big labels in any stores here :P
[15:18:31] <fragalot> frallzor: that just means you need to do it more often
[15:18:42] <fragalot> or invest in a dustpan & brush :P
[15:19:52] <frallzor> fragalot I have this http://imageshack.us/a/img853/7312/img4766r.jpg
[15:20:03] <frallzor> mostly used as paperweight due to lazyness
[15:21:14] <mhaberler> Jymmm: around?
[15:21:26] <Jymmm> mhaberler: atm
[15:21:41] <mhaberler> remember the json vs protobuf thread we had the other day?
[15:21:54] <Jymmm> sure
[15:22:17] <mhaberler> now it turns other other folks have very similar requirements - blazing backend speed, web frontend
[15:22:49] <mhaberler> one of these folks seems to be our cherished Pavel Shramov, who seems to work on some financial trading system
[15:23:09] <mhaberler> that was where the json/protobuf transcoding idea came up
[15:23:13] <AR_> looks hideous
[15:23:29] <mhaberler> well read this ;: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/protobuf/MAEDRqWe3TQ
[15:23:33] <mhaberler> msg #2
[15:23:36] <mhaberler> ;)
[15:23:48] <mhaberler> Pavel is on the case, and all without coordinating ;)
[15:25:51] <Loetmichel> fragalot: i k now that feeling...
[15:26:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13888
[15:26:38] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13891
[15:27:12] <Loetmichel> acrylic glass ;-)
[15:28:05] <Loetmichel> oh, i meant frallzor
[15:28:18] <frallzor> yikes
[15:28:21] <AR_> so you mill plastic
[15:31:46] <chopper79> Hello, PCW it was good speaking with you. Where were those pinouts you were speaking about?
[15:32:19] <PCW> 5i25.zip /configs/hostmot2/*.pin
[15:33:40] <gene77> Good afternoon everyone!
[15:34:09] <PCW> Good afternoon gene77
[15:34:24] <mrsun> Loetmichel, omg that looks like a cleanup ;P
[15:34:38] <frallzor> I wish I hade that little to clean
[15:34:41] <frallzor> *had
[15:34:52] <gene77> so do I...
[15:35:05] <frallzor> I bought 10 bags for the vacuumcleaner today, 3 left =P
[15:35:11] <frallzor> and still loooooads more to clean
[15:35:25] <mrsun> frallzor, stop using bags then
[15:35:34] <mrsun> and get a bucket or something :P
[15:35:45] <mrsun> one of those you put inline with the vacuum
[15:35:47] <frallzor> its spread out everywhere so it wont do any good
[15:35:51] <gene77> I use the cylinder filter on a bucket top
[15:36:19] <Jymmm> frallzor: Stoop being such a slob!
[15:36:26] <Loetmichel> frallzor: build a cyclone foilter ;-)
[15:36:31] <Loetmichel> -o
[15:36:56] <frallzor> I have shop vac. but its a bitch to use that for other uses than the dust shoe =P
[15:37:12] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: then get a 2nd one
[15:37:41] <gene77> I have the lathe about 99% back together, so now I can make ball nut cage on the mill, and taperlock hubs on the lathe, as soon as I go ouit to Blakes & mooch a little steel.
[15:37:44] <Jymmm> maybe one with a BIG tank
[15:38:22] <gene77> chuckle on the BIG
[15:38:23] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: me?
[15:38:31] <Loetmichel> a second WHAT?
[15:38:37] <frallzor> atleast I found the dust shoe so I can fit it for my upcoming MDF-runs =)
[15:39:18] <chopper79> @PCW.... Thank you for the location. I will be in touch soon
[15:39:55] <PCW> OK
[15:40:13] <gene77> I have a little 3/4 horse dust collector hanging under the eaves of this shed, with a home made muslin bag on it, 3 feet in diameter, and 12 feet long. I can run the jointer all afternoon on one bag dump. ;-)
[15:59:24] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[17:43:14] <JT-Shop> tjb1: you about?
[17:43:40] <tjb1> yes
[17:45:02] <JT-Shop> how far did you get with the thcud component?
[17:45:17] <tjb1> it was working at one point
[17:46:51] <JT-Shop> ok, I was just wondering, chopper79 is very confused and I'm trying to help him...
[17:47:56] <tjb1> tell him to get a thc a-d
[17:51:28] <JT-Shop> he has an up down thc controller but he was trying to use the thc300 example configuration
[17:51:58] <JT-Shop> it really should not even be in the sample configs as no one can make it work except the author
[18:09:50] <ReadError> lol tjb1
[18:09:59] <ReadError> tjb1> doesnt look much different than slic3r to set up
[18:10:06] <ReadError> <tjb1> yeah cura...
[18:10:07] <ReadError> <tjb1> needs a lot of setup
[21:18:10] <r00t4rd3d> ok debian 6.0.6.......
[21:42:11] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1
[21:42:21] <tjb1> yes?
[21:42:37] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1B_pZC8aWU << some judas to brighten up your day
[21:42:39] <r00t4rd3d> usux
[21:43:36] <r00t4rd3d> did you buy torx pro
[21:45:07] <tjb1> yes
[21:45:10] <tjb1> doesnt work with my phone
[21:46:11] <r00t4rd3d> will it install?
[21:46:49] <r00t4rd3d> or does google play say its incompatible?
[22:06:49] <r00t4rd3d> hmm seems like ubuntu 12.04lts would be easier to make a live cd with
[22:13:15] <mutilator> ok so..
[22:13:23] <mutilator> #1 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24715738/IMG_20130128_095004.jpg
[22:13:47] <mutilator> #2 after slowing it down to 630mm/min
[22:13:49] <mutilator> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24715738/IMG_20130128_225543.jpg
[22:14:04] <mutilator> still some pretty obvious mess ups but better
[22:14:27] <r00t4rd3d> what are you generating your gcode with?
[22:15:30] <mutilator> aspire
[22:16:41] <r00t4rd3d> have you tried cutting anything else?
[22:17:09] <mutilator> since changing speed? no
[22:17:35] <mutilator> got something for me to cut?
[22:18:26] <r00t4rd3d> if you have aspire you should be able to quickly generate a simple vector for testing.
[22:19:02] <r00t4rd3d> im not sure if your model is fucked up or your machine settings
[22:19:14] <r00t4rd3d> what do you have for a controller?
[22:20:13] <mutilator> g540
[22:20:27] <r00t4rd3d> are you sure that is set up right?
[22:20:43] <mutilator> uh
[22:20:52] <mutilator> as sure as i can be sure..
[22:21:06] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, dont you have that controller?
[22:22:50] <tjb1> what controller
[22:23:38] <r00t4rd3d> g540
[22:24:05] <tjb1> yes
[22:24:37] <r00t4rd3d> is there basic stepconf instructions for linuxcnc somewhere?
[22:27:26] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.onel.se/all_files/gecko_g540.html
[22:27:42] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator, just see if your settings match those
[22:27:56] <r00t4rd3d> thats an older version of emc2 though...
[22:29:15] <r00t4rd3d> run stepconf again and choose to modify a configuration already created
[22:34:50] <r00t4rd3d> or is the g540 in the drop down menu?
[22:41:07] <mutilator> yea its in the menu
[22:41:16] <mutilator> i just used that
[22:41:26] <mutilator> and increased my base period
[22:41:35] <mutilator> from the first photo to the second
[22:41:49] <mutilator> which decreased my velocity to 630mm/sec
[22:41:59] <mutilator> so it may be perfect now and those few glitches are from aspire
[22:42:17] <mutilator> because they're in the same spots on both of the cuts
[22:42:17] <r00t4rd3d> aspire doesnt glitch
[22:42:42] <r00t4rd3d> where did you get that model?
[22:43:00] <mutilator> its just a png
[22:43:07] <r00t4rd3d> ahhh
[22:43:12] <r00t4rd3d> so it probably is your model
[22:43:20] <r00t4rd3d> want me to make you something quick?
[22:43:28] <mutilator> yea
[22:44:54] <mutilator> i just did png -> fit vectors -> create shape from vectors, clicked calculate on my tool and blasted it to the cnc
[22:45:42] <r00t4rd3d> yeah thats why its screwed
[22:45:54] <r00t4rd3d> what kind of bit you have ?
[22:49:06] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator
[22:50:23] <r00t4rd3d> Create a new file in aspire, like 8x8
[22:50:44] <r00t4rd3d> bottom left click on the modeling tab
[22:51:10] <mutilator> a cmt 60 degree vbit
[22:51:17] <r00t4rd3d> under Modeling Tools , top row, far right, Import component or 3d model
[22:51:31] <r00t4rd3d> then navigate to the aspire folder /sample files
[22:52:42] <r00t4rd3d> use a 3d finishing tool path on those models
[22:52:54] <mutilator> k
[22:54:04] <mutilator> ha
[22:54:16] <mutilator> 9hrs
[22:54:20] * mutilator changes size
[22:56:17] <mutilator> hm yea
[22:56:20] <mutilator> thats going to take.. forever
[22:57:06] <mutilator> 4:20
[22:58:35] <r00t4rd3d> https://anonfiles.com/file/d00f53534ff956ea164ac3e04fa1594e
[22:58:43] <r00t4rd3d> there i made you a quick one
[22:59:17] <r00t4rd3d> that should take seconds with 630mm/min
[23:01:42] <r00t4rd3d> edit the tool paths for your bit
[23:02:08] <r00t4rd3d> highlight them, edit icon, select your bit, calculate
[23:04:28] <r00t4rd3d> I had a giant dxf collection uploaded one
[23:04:31] <r00t4rd3d> once*
[23:07:12] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator, https://anonfiles.com/file/4c5f5fd509f9bccd4589c5fdb47905d6
[23:07:23] <r00t4rd3d> 2,240 DXF files
[23:08:27] <r00t4rd3d> most you can just click on and they will open in aspire
[23:11:16] <mutilator> coo
[23:17:47] <mutilator> so question.. what size endmill do you use to cut out pieces?
[23:17:59] <mutilator> just your preference/experience
[23:19:04] <r00t4rd3d> long time i used a 60 degree vbit 7/16 diameter
[23:19:50] <r00t4rd3d> now I use a 90 with 1/2 diameter and a 1/4 endmill
[23:20:22] <mutilator> hm
[23:20:45] <mutilator> any experience with smaller endmills?
[23:20:45] <r00t4rd3d> i have a shit ton of bits though
[23:21:00] <r00t4rd3d> yeah i have 1/16 ball ends and endmills
[23:21:02] <mutilator> like i have a bunch of these <2mm bits
[23:21:30] <mutilator> came in the grab bag sets i got from harbor freight
[23:21:42] <mutilator> though i'd never use em til i decided to build this cnc
[23:22:07] <r00t4rd3d> harbor freight? I probably wouldnt use them anyway.
[23:22:29] <r00t4rd3d> are they dremel bits?
[23:23:05] <mutilator> http://www.harborfreight.com/20-piece-solid-carbide-micro-bit-grab-bag-44924.html
[23:23:19] <r00t4rd3d> Hmm
[23:23:22] <mutilator> says they're carbide and they feel like it
[23:24:07] <mutilator> but when they say grab bag it truely is, sometimes you'll get all drill bits that are as thick as a hair
[23:24:26] <mutilator> sometimes you'll get end mills, sometimes not
[23:24:34] <mutilator> i've never used them yet though
[23:25:03] <r00t4rd3d> what do you have for a router/spindle ?
[23:25:20] <mutilator> just a dewalt router
[23:25:27] <mutilator> the 611
[23:25:32] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:26:17] <r00t4rd3d> got a pic of your machine?
[23:29:06] <mutilator> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24715738/IMG_20130129_001452.jpg
[23:29:28] <r00t4rd3d> is that a fireball?
[23:29:32] <mutilator> yea
[23:30:30] <r00t4rd3d> you need to move that controller
[23:30:36] <mutilator> why
[23:30:52] <r00t4rd3d> so you dont accidentally crush it.
[23:31:01] <mutilator> its not in the way of anything
[23:31:24] <r00t4rd3d> filling it with saw dust probably isnt too good either
[23:32:36] <r00t4rd3d> the g540's are cheap though right?
[23:32:57] <mutilator> with the amount i currently use it
[23:33:02] <mutilator> i dont see it being a problem
[23:33:02] <mutilator> lol
[23:33:19] <r00t4rd3d> i have the same router
[23:33:30] <mutilator> last two days are the first time i've been able to touch it in 3 months
[23:34:06] <mutilator> been wanting to do puzzles for my lil one tho
[23:34:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/HC4POHd.jpg
[23:35:19] <r00t4rd3d> and all i use is aspire.
[23:35:52] <mutilator> i've done a single pcb with it so far
[23:35:55] <mutilator> and that turned out nice
[23:36:15] <mutilator> but was with the vbit and took a while, i dont want to burn that up on pcb
[23:36:35] <mutilator> so i was going to use those cheap harbor freight endmills
[23:36:40] <mutilator> havnt had a chance to test it tho
[23:36:52] <r00t4rd3d> you can get vbits at homedepot/lowes
[23:37:08] <r00t4rd3d> 1/4 down cut endmills too
[23:37:12] <mutilator> not mine
[23:37:26] <mutilator> well
[23:37:32] <mutilator> they do carry one bosch bvit
[23:37:34] <mutilator> vbit
[23:37:43] <mutilator> pretty big flat on the bottom of it
[23:37:48] <r00t4rd3d> thats the one i am using atm
[23:37:54] <r00t4rd3d> 1/2
[23:38:07] <mutilator> no end mills that i saw though
[23:38:27] <r00t4rd3d> they hide
[23:43:39] <mutilator> alrite time for bed
[23:43:41] <mutilator> adios
[23:58:03] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator, you use openwrt?