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[00:00:38] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: printer is going
[00:10:07] <r00t4rd3d> You bought one?
[00:42:01] <Tecan> do your guys movies cut the ending off on linux sometimes ?
[00:46:31] <Tecan> http://www.flickr.com/photos/macetech/4306096268/
[00:48:22] <Tecan> http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/1038/FC105-81180.html
[01:34:01] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: ys
[01:34:11] <tjb1> its going now
[02:02:47] <DJ9DJ> moin
[05:38:45] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:40:15] <TeKO> good day sir
[05:51:16] <TeKO> http://blazelabs.com/e-exp22.asp
[07:49:34] <jthornton> that's hot
[07:50:25] <Tom_itx> ur up early
[07:50:40] <jthornton> been up for 3 hrs
[07:51:03] <Tom_itx> i was too but didn't stay up
[07:51:10] <Tom_itx> back is botheringme
[07:52:06] <jthornton> yuck
[07:53:00] <Tom_itx> jacking around in tight space changing bearings in a washer is probably why
[07:53:00] <Tecan> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/neora13/PSP/Skins/WhiteChicks.jpg lol you guys ever see this movie
[07:53:27] <Jymmm> jthornton: Ok.... Paris.
[09:17:20] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a2_1359292332
[09:19:56] <r00t4rd3d> mortar turning
[09:21:02] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: You drama queen!
[09:23:04] <Tecan> http://worrydream.com wow neat use of js
[09:23:40] <Jymmm> Now, here's one for the group... If you knew without a shadow of a doubt that emc/linuxcnc was being used for the creation of weapons/exposives by terrorists/or the mass killing of children, would you still work on/with it?
[09:24:19] <Tecan> the mainstay of it is already out there
[09:24:45] <Tecan> they would find a way with or without it
[09:24:56] <Tecan> windows works just as well
[09:28:55] <Tecan> reminds me of gunlaws for some reason
[09:33:12] <fragalot> gah
[09:33:20] <fragalot> just noticed my cnc mill has a bowed bed
[09:34:00] <fragalot> Z-0.32mm on the left, Z-0.07mm on the right, referenced to ~2/3 from the right
[09:34:11] <fragalot> (which I referenced as Z0)
[09:34:35] <archivist> chinese special?
[09:34:51] <fragalot> how'd you guess? /P
[09:35:19] <fragalot> I never noticed because I normally always use the chinese special low-profile vice (which is actually quite good), that I had milled flat
[09:36:57] <archivist> I was reading a book machine tool reconditioning while in the "small library" this morning thinking I should write up some web pages from it :)
[09:37:09] <fragalot> go for it :)
[09:37:17] <fragalot> meanwhile, got a suggestion for a replacement bed?
[09:37:25] <archivist> its best part of 500 pages
[09:37:58] <archivist> you can fix what you have
[09:38:36] <fragalot> archivist: Do tell?
[09:39:16] <fragalot> http://www.cnc-sable.nl/images/portaal%20copy.jpg <= one of these things
[09:41:17] <archivist> hmm now I see it, what do you expect :)
[09:41:43] <fragalot> archivist: if I can get it flat to within .1mm that'd be... ok..ish
[09:42:23] <archivist> adjustment with shims and a scraper
[09:42:40] <fragalot> scraper?
[09:42:50] <fragalot> shims won't fix the bow it's got
[09:42:55] <archivist> but you have to get the operating planes right first
[09:43:29] <fragalot> atm the Y and Z appear to be very well aligned
[09:43:51] <archivist> work out where the bow is, it may be bent bars or the sheet which forms the table
[09:44:14] <fragalot> good point
[09:44:26] <archivist> you can get ground flat aluminium sheet
[09:44:28] * fragalot runs off to find a flashlight & his reference ruler
[09:44:39] <andypugh> fragalot: probe the bed, fix it in software
[09:44:54] <fragalot> andypugh: can EMC2 do that?
[09:44:57] <archivist> bodge!
[09:45:00] <andypugh> Yes
[09:45:03] <r00t4rd3d> Jymmm, I would want their gcodes.
[09:45:12] <fragalot> andypugh: if you tell me how i will marry you.
[09:45:29] <archivist> fragalot, but for some jobs that is not the right way
[09:45:41] <fragalot> archivist: this machine isn' right for those jobs
[09:45:43] <fragalot> :P
[09:45:47] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProbeKins
[09:45:50] <fragalot> all I use this thing for is minor PCB engraving
[09:46:14] <archivist> only ok for thin shit that conforms to the current bend (like pcb)
[09:46:50] <fragalot> that's the only material that this machine sees, so that's fine
[09:47:45] <fragalot> just checked with a caliper & a flashlight and it's most def. the bed
[09:48:10] <archivist> you can use the machine to mill itself flat too
[09:48:26] <fragalot> not really
[09:48:46] <fragalot> it's not rigid enough to mill alu perfectly flat
[09:49:07] <fragalot> if I push against the spindle I can easilly move it .5mm
[09:49:32] <fragalot> hence only using it for PCB engraving where hardly any forces are applied :p
[09:50:13] <fragalot> other than that it's a really good machine!
[09:50:15] * fragalot coughs
[09:53:32] <andypugh> fragalot: Welll, it's certainly a nice colour and well finished :-)
[09:54:30] <fragalot> andypugh: it is, it also feels really sturdy & heavy duty when you pick it up
[09:54:31] <fragalot> :D
[09:54:47] <fragalot> and the motors do all have quite a lot of torque
[09:54:51] <andypugh> Pity it isn't actually sturdy and heavy-duty then?
[09:55:04] <fragalot> well the Y rails are
[09:55:28] <fragalot> the Z is too due to it being so short
[09:55:42] <fragalot> the X .... well it's about as sturdy as my 3D printer
[09:55:43] <fragalot> :P
[09:55:56] <andypugh> Actually, that design should be fairly insensitive to bed warping.
[09:55:57] <fragalot> the mounts for it are strong though!
[09:56:16] <fragalot> andypugh: well if you start off with a bowed 12mm alu plate
[09:56:33] <andypugh> Have you tried mounting a dial indicator on the spindle mount and measuring the bow that way?
[09:57:16] <archivist> shouldnt take too much effort to scrape it flat
[09:57:24] <fragalot> andypugh: that's what i'm doing
[09:57:31] <fragalot> archivist: what do youmean by scraping it flat
[09:57:42] <andypugh> archivist: It seems to be anodised.
[09:57:46] <fragalot> it is
[09:58:08] <archivist> I know, it wont be to pretty but will be flat :)
[09:58:11] <andypugh> Ask Sable for a straight one?
[09:58:24] <andypugh> archivist: Have you tried scraping anodising?
[09:58:55] <archivist> I know I would prefer to mill that off first
[09:59:33] <archivist> I wonder how many microns they anodised
[09:59:35] <andypugh> New user by the name of "onejaboo yingthesky". Why am I suspcious?
[10:00:13] <archivist> very close to random that name
[10:00:39] <archivist> he will ask if denied
[10:00:48] <fragalot> andypugh: they wouldn't send me a separate bed, i'd have to send thewhole machine back
[10:00:54] <fragalot> and that costs more in shipping than the bed is worth
[10:01:44] <archivist> fragalot, there is a place not far from me that has some ground ally, I have a bit here
[10:02:17] <andypugh> A bit of ali tooling plate would be ideal.
[10:02:38] <andypugh> I believe that is made to a guaranteed flatness.
[10:03:17] <fragalot> derp
[10:03:26] <fragalot> I just loosened off the Y mounts
[10:03:31] <fragalot> the bow just doubled
[10:03:32] <fragalot> lol
[10:03:44] <fragalot> andypugh: and cost more than the whole machine?
[10:03:45] <fragalot> :P
[10:03:53] <fragalot> archivist: how big & how much?
[10:04:15] <archivist> what size is your plate
[10:05:42] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170mm-x-400mm-x-10mm-Aluminium-tooling-plate-grade-C250-/400398762388?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item5d39a04194
[10:06:32] <fragalot> archivist: roughly 25x30
[10:06:39] <archivist> 2. Table size: 250mm * 310mm
[10:07:14] * fragalot goes to measure precisely
[10:07:31] <fragalot> 252x311
[10:08:36] <archivist> that bit that andy linked to is the right stuff just need to find your size or a bit bigger and cut down
[10:09:24] <fragalot> fair price too
[10:09:24] <fragalot> :D
[10:09:34] <archivist> the sort of place you email what you want :)
[10:10:00] <archivist> he has a good score too
[10:10:13] <fragalot> need to email anyway if he ships to belgium
[10:10:19] <fragalot> which will probably cost more than the plate
[10:10:49] <archivist> dunno over here export mail is cheaper than local!
[10:11:01] <fragalot> lol
[10:11:10] <fragalot> here too actually
[10:11:14] <archivist> royal mail is screwing us
[10:11:33] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_ge_FWrPpE
[10:11:59] <archivist> private!
[10:12:24] <fragalot> try again
[10:12:39] <fragalot> turn your volume down
[10:12:45] <fragalot> apparently my phone really amplifies the noise
[10:13:35] <archivist> noise was not bad at all
[10:14:03] <fragalot> it is compared to the 3D printer :P
[10:14:12] <fragalot> virtually silent that thing
[10:14:16] <archivist> but random rolled metal can be bent like that
[10:14:22] <fragalot> yeah
[10:16:23] <archivist> you can see the machining/grinding marks on
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_10_20_Tool_grinder/IMG_1381.JPG
[10:17:22] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAYsxH7H400
[10:17:28] <fragalot> for comparisons' sake in terms of noise
[10:17:49] <fragalot> i've made that machine about 3x faster since making that video
[10:21:34] <fragalot> andypugh: Thanks for that ebay link btw, just emailed him
[10:21:47] <archivist> another thing you can do is pull your bent plate flat with webs under the plate
[10:29:06] <fragalot> no space to really do that without hitting the Y guides
[10:34:50] <andypugh> Fit a soft board on top, machine that flat.
[10:35:08] <andypugh> For extra credit make that a vacuum table.
[10:35:12] <fragalot> that's what I used to do
[10:35:37] <fragalot> my only problem then was that I either couldn't machine a large enough area flat for some workpieces
[10:35:54] <fragalot> andypugh: I had one, but the vacuum pump shat itself last year
[10:36:13] <fragalot> haven't bothered getting another yet
[10:36:40] <andypugh> Inicentally, I just watched this, a very clear demonstration of how a differential works:
http://youtu.be/K4JhruinbWc
[10:36:42] <fragalot> anyway, after that I used a block of PTFE that i machined flat & tapped
[10:37:59] <fragalot> andypugh: differentials are mad science
[10:43:54] <fragalot> andypugh: good video
[10:45:28] <fragalot> DAMN
[10:45:40] <fragalot> I managed to shift the bow but not get rid of it by taking out the nut assembly
[10:46:10] <fragalot> I was so happy when it stayed consistent past the mark I made last time
[10:55:45] <r00t4rd3d> buff it out
[11:01:03] <fragalot> i'll just go back to using my PTFE block until I can get a flat replacement plate
[11:05:05] <fragalot> I do like the repeatabillity of this thing if you don't apply forces
[11:05:21] <fragalot> bolted the old block on there, put the dial on there, absolutely perfect
[11:14:05] <fragalot> and while i'm at it
[11:14:14] <fragalot> andypugh, archivist - any suggestions for a new spindle?
[11:14:32] <fragalot> i've been considering a 1.5kW Kress but no idea if it's any good
[11:14:34] <archivist> depends on needs
[11:17:29] <Loetmichel> grrr... boCNC is neat, but has a little flaw... the pullout after each round when doing mutliple depths.
http://youtu.be/MaouaN3bqwc ... anyone knows a script/regex/tool to rid the Gcode from all pullouts except the last one?
[11:18:33] <archivist> fragalot, is the current frame and slide flex and play such that no spindle will make it better
[11:21:00] <fragalot> True
[11:21:09] <fragalot> but the variable speed control would
[11:21:14] <fragalot> atm i'm stuck to 28k rpm
[11:21:29] <fragalot> which... isn't very optimal
[11:22:43] <archivist> rigidity and play are the things I fix first
[11:29:51] <andypugh> For variable speed, one of the little chinese spindles might be good.
[11:30:26] <andypugh> (I don't know anything about their quality, but they are at least designed for the job)
[11:31:48] <fragalot> andypugh: been looking at one of those too
[11:32:02] <fragalot> according to reviews they're fairly decent, and a lot quieter than that kress
[11:32:06] <archivist> ask Loetmichel about his
[11:32:22] <fragalot> Loetmichel: Are you the proud owner of a chinese spindle? if so, are you happy about it?
[11:32:27] <Tom_itx> 1.5kw spindles are limited to 10mm cutters
[11:32:36] <andypugh> quiet is much under-rated
[11:32:36] <Tom_itx> 2.2kw go up to 13mm
[11:32:42] <fragalot> Tom_itx: I don't use anything over 6
[11:33:05] <Tom_itx> http://www.mycncuk.com/forums/general-metal-wood-working/3624-chinese-1-5kw-spindles.html
[11:33:08] <Tom_itx> just reading that
[11:33:14] <archivist> I imagine 1.5kw will need a new machine
[11:34:07] <fragalot> archivist: not going to use it up to that power, I just want a speed control :P
[11:34:22] <Tom_itx> same here
[11:34:39] <Loetmichel> fragalot: see the cideo i posted above ;-)
[11:34:46] <archivist> what kind of motor now, perhaps just add a speed controller
[11:34:55] <Loetmichel> its the 800W kind, though
[11:35:49] <andypugh> 1.5kw seems cheaper than 800W..
[11:36:16] <Loetmichel> the 800W is a bit more compact, so it hs fitted better to my machine ;)
[11:36:29] <fragalot> and mine i'd imagine
[11:36:29] <fragalot> :P
[11:37:18] <Loetmichel> and the 800W kund hs an ER11 chuck, so a 6.5mm shaft is the biggest tha can be put in
[11:37:23] <Loetmichel> kind
[11:37:41] <fragalot> I do have a lot of 8mm shaft mills
[11:37:53] <Loetmichel> so you have to get an oversize chuck
[11:37:56] <Loetmichel> they are aviable
[11:38:04] <fragalot> that works
[11:38:08] <fragalot> how much did you pay for it?
[11:38:22] <Loetmichel> by standard 6.5mm is end, but some grind 8mm ones
[11:38:29] <Loetmichel> about 200 eur with VFD
[11:38:37] <Loetmichel> 300 Eur
[11:38:46] <archivist> Loetmichel, time you made a cnc punch
[11:39:10] <Loetmichel> archivist: would be easier to buy some 2,5 and 3mm drill bits ;-)
[11:39:45] <fragalot> mm
[11:40:53] <cpresser> i cant find any not on the weight of those spindles. how heavy are they?
[11:41:15] <archivist> Loetmichel,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6boaq0c18k
[11:41:39] <fragalot> LOL
[11:41:40] <fragalot> wow ok
[11:41:46] <fragalot> I just heard my spindle stop
[11:41:48] <fragalot> and then go again
[11:41:56] <fragalot> so I check what's going on and it's not cutting anymore
[11:41:58] <fragalot> somehow
[11:42:06] <fragalot> I have no idea how, it's changed direction
[11:42:31] <fragalot> so spinning CCW now... on a 1phase 220V brushed chinese 220W spindle
[11:42:39] <fragalot> looks like i'll be getting a new one sooner than planned xD
[11:44:24] <Loetmichel> archivist: i know, a company that works for my company has one. and the corresponding press brake ;-)
[11:45:27] <archivist> Loetmichel, make one, then you can make more stuff in less time and charge the same price...profit
[11:45:47] <Loetmichel> archivist: i charge nothing
[11:46:08] <Loetmichel> i am just making some prototypes/small series for my company at home
[11:46:08] <archivist> ....bosses take advantage
[11:46:20] <Loetmichel> (s/my company/the company i work for)
[11:46:28] <archivist> slave labour
[11:47:03] <Tom_itx> yeah then they come to expect it from you
[11:47:19] <Loetmichel> ... i DO however charge the work hours and let the company buy new mill bits ;-)
[11:47:51] <Tom_itx> your time, your machine, your power...
[11:47:52] <Tom_itx> wear and tear on tooling
[11:48:29] <Loetmichel> i still hope my boss keeps his promise to buy a cheap mill for the company this spring.
[11:48:38] <Loetmichel> i suggested a Haase AL1065
[11:49:16] <Loetmichel> ... but i will only belive it when i have bolted in down in the companys little workshop ;-)
[11:49:18] <Tom_itx> yeah, haas are cheap
[11:49:18] <Tom_itx> similar to fadal
[11:49:28] <Loetmichel> not haas
[11:49:35] <archivist> I used to charge a company I worked for, managed an extra 50% one year
[11:49:35] <Loetmichel> team haase
[11:49:35] <Tom_itx> oh
[11:50:15] <Loetmichel> http://www.team-haase.de/maschinen/al-serie
[11:50:23] <Loetmichel> SMALL machine
[11:50:43] <Loetmichel> The AL 1065 has 1000*650*~125 movement
[11:50:48] <Loetmichel> mm
[11:51:30] <Tom_itx> i looked at a prototyping machine at a trade show once i wish i had
[11:51:43] <Tom_itx> fully enclosed with a tool changer etc
[11:57:30] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: too expensive.
[11:57:58] <Loetmichel> you should have seen the look on bosses face as i said: 5keur for the machine plus about 2keur on tooling and a better Spindle ;-)
[12:01:40] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[12:31:20] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:44:55] <fragalot> Right, i'm kinda getting closer to scrapping this whole machine
[12:45:20] <andypugh> But it's so pretty!
[12:45:45] <fragalot> andypugh: no good if i can't even get it within 0.2mm for Z height though
[12:45:50] <fragalot> even on a milled surface
[12:46:19] <archivist> add shims
[12:46:23] <andypugh> You mean the Z repeatability isn't there?
[12:47:07] <Loetmichel> fragalot: pic?
[12:47:21] <fragalot> what I did was made a lil' gcode program that milled only from left to right, go back outside the workpiece without moving Z, then take another 2mm pass
[12:47:40] <fragalot> then put my dial gauge on that
[12:47:47] <fragalot> and it's random 0.2mm up & downs
[12:47:51] <archivist> I wonder if the bars are truly at 90 to each axis and the pairs truly parallel
[12:47:55] <Loetmichel> ouch
[12:48:09] <fragalot> if I go over the piece again manually without touching the Z, it removes more material in some areas
[12:48:27] <fragalot> archivist: the bars, unloaded, are quite good
[12:48:33] <fragalot> they're just not very rigid
[12:48:35] <fragalot> at all
[12:48:48] <archivist> ok check end float on the spindle
[12:49:20] <fragalot> archivist: the whole Z flexes more than any spindle will
[12:49:34] <archivist> also any clogging of an end mill will spring your Z up and down
[12:49:36] <fragalot> like I said earlier if I just nudge the bugger I can make it move quite a bit
[12:49:51] <Loetmichel> fragalot: do you have pics of the machine?
[12:49:58] <fragalot> http://www.cnc-sable.nl/images/portaal%20copy.jpg <= one of these things
[12:50:17] <fragalot> Loetmichel: this is the bed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_ge_FWrPpE
[12:51:00] <Loetmichel> ouch
[12:51:05] <archivist> fragalot, look what has bend/flex/play. fix, rinse repeat
[12:51:06] <fragalot> the only thing that looks good on this machine is the overall look, and the Y axis
[12:51:27] <fragalot> archivist: X rails & Z mount would be what needs to be replaced, and the bed
[12:51:32] <fragalot> eg. basically make a new machine
[12:52:31] <Loetmichel> fragalot: the machin doesent look so bad. that is a good base to fix. will not be for milling with a 80mmm flat head, but enogh for 3-6mm mill bits.
[12:52:57] <Loetmichel> when its not "play-free": MAKE it
[12:53:09] <Loetmichel> any of the slides can be fixed
[12:53:23] <fragalot> Loetmichel: yeah, like I said I would need to replace the bed, X rails, and spindle
[12:53:26] <fragalot> it's doable
[12:53:28] <Loetmichel> i would bet a whiole lot of money on something being loose/out of angle there
[12:54:00] <fragalot> i've checked every single nut & bolt on there, everything appears tight, the bearings all feel good too
[12:54:03] <archivist> fragalot, your last test, was the cutter new
[12:54:21] <fragalot> archivist: brand spanking new 2-flute 4mm endmill
[12:54:26] <andypugh> Suely someone out there on the Internet ha pedanticallt set up a Sable, then, documented the whole process to show off how coo they are?
[12:54:45] <fragalot> andypugh: only found one, mentioning the same bow I have.
[12:54:47] <fragalot> :P
[12:55:05] <andypugh> So, probekins it is then.
[12:55:19] <fragalot> andypugh: that won't fix a machine that flexes
[12:55:20] <archivist> I think most users would not know they had an error
[12:56:11] <fragalot> archivist: it's a pretty obvious one when you're doing pcb milling :P
[12:56:34] <andypugh> I am unconvinced of the wisdom of PCB milling anyway :-)
[12:57:14] <skunkworks> when I was younger I did a lot of circuit boards - etched... I love milling boards.
[12:57:28] <skunkworks> (for prototyping..)
[12:57:53] <fragalot> andypugh: i'm basically lazy & let the mchine also do the drilling for me
[12:58:00] <fragalot> and cutout if applicable
[12:58:07] <archivist> andypugh, if you see JMK's gantry mill for pcb you may think different, I wonder if it is finished yet
[12:58:16] <fragalot> makes life a lil' easier compared to either manually drilling or having to align it on the bed :P
[12:58:17] <andypugh> Hmm, just packing my suitcase for 2 weeks in Finland. First thing into the case was an Atom MB and Mesa cards. I think I might have a problem.
[12:58:25] <fragalot> andypugh: haha
[12:58:38] <archivist> farady cage
[12:58:58] <archivist> and lead knickers
[12:59:38] <IchGuckLive> http://mechmo.de/lothar/cnc_4.JPG
[12:59:47] <IchGuckLive> this is 300 Euros in total
[12:59:56] <IchGuckLive> 160x160
[12:59:59] <fragalot> i've been considering outfitting my 3D printer with a small 60k rpm spindle for pcb milling
[13:00:04] <IchGuckLive> with 5mm spear
[13:00:06] <fragalot> never got around to doing it
[13:00:14] <fragalot> IchGuckLive: that looks amazingly cute!
[13:00:44] <IchGuckLive> ita also the mashine that miled the pendand
[13:00:58] <JesusAlos> heelo
[13:01:05] <JesusAlos> hee
[13:01:09] <JesusAlos> hello
[13:01:15] <andypugh> HI
[13:01:40] <IchGuckLive> hi jesus
[13:01:55] <andypugh> Did I ever forward the comment from Les (SheetCAM) about your foam-cutting query?
[13:02:28] <andypugh> "SheetCam isn't really set up for hot wire. You can use the 'chain' function to cut between parts rather than trying to rapid. It does however rely on you setting the start points up so that chains are possible. Chains only work in a straight line so you need to make sure there is a straight line between end and start points."
[13:05:44] <JesusAlos> really do not know if I will find a CAM software for foam letters cut
[13:06:03] <JesusAlos> now I'm try with 5i25 and 7i77 cards
[13:06:17] <JesusAlos> I recive it last friday
[13:06:23] <andypugh> Maybe add a "stl
[13:06:23] <andypugh>
[13:06:25] <JesusAlos> I reading the manuals
[13:06:53] <andypugh> Maybe add a "stalk" to the bottom of each letter, so that they can be easily chained?
[13:07:21] <JesusAlos> stalk?
[13:08:13] <JesusAlos> I don't know. Do you see the video of other manufacturer work?
[13:08:13] <andypugh> An extension to the path that is outside every outline
[13:08:45] <JesusAlos> They do very quick conversion
[13:09:24] <IchGuckLive> as plt has the lines already in it it is simply inch to mm and the point density
[13:09:32] <IchGuckLive> HPGL 2 Gcode
[13:10:00] <IchGuckLive> there is a python side packet that does this Hpgl input
[13:13:43] <IchGuckLive> im off by have anice sunday and dio not wark so hard mondey morning
[13:16:35] <JesusAlos> andypugh
[13:17:00] <JesusAlos> If you dont bussy, I need help
[13:17:09] <JesusAlos> with last consult
[13:17:17] <andypugh> OK
[13:17:30] <JesusAlos> put bit on of 7i77 by commands
[13:17:45] <JesusAlos> and other thig
[13:19:25] <fragalot> just took the machine apart
[13:19:30] <andypugh> I am afraid I don't really understand the question.
[13:20:04] <fragalot> X rods definitely flex, and the Z axis really has some play on it
[13:20:11] <fragalot> so I think i'll have to replace both of those
[13:21:33] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/244420
[13:21:39] <andypugh> Replace? Can't they be adjusted?
[13:21:50] <fragalot> they USED to be adjustable
[13:22:02] <fragalot> but someone's decided it might be a good idea to coat the bearing itself in loctite
[13:22:14] <fragalot> but still, the X flexes
[13:22:18] <fragalot> you can't adjust that
[13:22:39] <fragalot> might replace the X with these:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-Set-16x-300mm-Breite-Linearfuhrung-Linear-Guide-Rail-Frase-Wellenfuhrung-/221174078137?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item337f009ab9
[13:22:45] <andypugh> JesusAlos: OK, so that is a 7i77. What is your question?
[13:24:38] <JesusAlos> I need put ON eny output of 7i77
[13:25:01] <JesusAlos> like a test output
[13:25:32] <andypugh> halcmd setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0....
[13:25:54] <JesusAlos> There are graphical mode?
[13:26:01] <andypugh> Do you have LinuxCNC running?
[13:26:09] <JesusAlos> yes
[13:26:27] <andypugh> OK, have a look in Machine->show HAL config
[13:26:49] <JesusAlos> ok
[13:27:35] <andypugh> You can set up individual 7i77 pins in the "watch" tab, and yoiu can set them with "setp" commands in the window at the bottom of the other tab.
[13:29:58] <mrsun> hmm, how much diff can be tolerated in a mechmate rail? :/
[13:30:30] <JesusAlos> Ok.
[13:30:41] <JesusAlos> I see a pin names
[13:31:54] <JesusAlos> now?
[13:32:30] <JesusAlos> put setp "pin name" in Test HAL command?
[13:34:05] <fragalot> this Z axis is really depressing, lol
[13:34:18] <fragalot> .6mm movement if I push the rod all the way to the end & gently wiggle
[13:36:02] <fragalot> I'm starting to think that who'mever put this together tightened the adjustment screw too hard & made the bearings oval, and the glue is now trapping them like that
[13:36:03] <JesusAlos> setp hm2_5i25.0.gpio.008.in_not
[13:36:20] <JesusAlos> say error: invalid argument
[13:36:42] <Loetmichel> sooo, first aur vent for 5,25" slot done... two to go... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14001 ;-)
[13:36:45] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1 print me some goggles
[13:36:54] <tjb1> Those 3d things?
[13:36:57] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[13:37:02] <tjb1> How tall are they
[13:37:05] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/244423
[13:37:50] <tjb1> I can only do 75mm tall 169x172
[13:38:04] <fragalot> torch time
[13:38:22] <r00t4rd3d> oh, I think they are like 6 inches high
[13:39:11] <tjb1> I dont have ABS either
[13:39:20] <tjb1> Someone said you can glue it with superglue but I dont know
[13:39:27] <fragalot> i've got some 3mm ABS & PLA kicking around
[13:39:34] <fragalot> tjb1: ABS glues nicely with an abs/acetone solution
[13:39:43] <andypugh> JesusAlos: in-not is an input pin, so you can't set it.
[13:39:43] <tjb1> I got pla with mine
[13:39:45] <fragalot> PLA.. doesn't really glue very great in my experience
[13:40:00] <JesusAlos> ok
[13:40:21] <andypugh> JesusAlos: You ought to be able to setp the outputs, either to 0 or 1 for bit-type putputs, or numbers between 0 and 1 for nalogue outputs.
[13:40:50] <andypugh> I haven't got a 7i77, so I don't know what the actual pins are called. :-)
[13:41:51] <JesusAlos> setp hm2_5i25.0.gpio.006.out
[13:41:58] <JesusAlos> error too
[13:42:00] <fragalot> right, these LM12UU's are stuck in there for good
[13:42:10] <JesusAlos> is pinout name
[13:42:27] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: I dont know if I fudged my one print but I had to use water to get it off then the sides started separating
[13:42:38] <archivist> fragalot, pressed or loctite
[13:42:39] <tjb1> But I think I had the extruder set up wrong so the layers werent actually bonding to each other
[13:42:42] <fragalot> tjb1: what do you print on?
[13:42:48] <r00t4rd3d> hotbed?
[13:42:53] <tjb1> borosillicate with glue/water mixture
[13:43:02] <andypugh> JesusAlos: You need to give a value to set to, too.
[13:43:03] <fragalot> archivist: it certainly has loctite pouring out everywhere
[13:43:10] <andypugh> setp hm2_5i25.0.gpio.006.out 1
[13:43:15] <andypugh> (for example)
[13:43:26] <fragalot> archivist: tried a blowtorch, that didn't appear to do the trick
[13:43:42] <fragalot> and I don't have a socket large enough to fit over the bearing to try and press it out
[13:43:45] <fragalot> :'(
[13:44:00] <archivist> fragalot, I am not a fan of that stuff, press/hammer and more heat
[13:44:07] <fragalot> archivist: yeah
[13:44:31] <archivist> fragalot, or add some spring to take out the play
[13:45:05] <fragalot> YES
[13:45:09] <fragalot> it's MOVING
[13:45:13] <archivist> forcing the inners towards each other
[13:45:41] <fragalot> bench vice, adjustable wrench + hanging off of the end of the vice bar with a pipe
[13:45:42] <fragalot> xD
[13:46:06] <fragalot> archivist: how would I do that
[13:46:42] <JesusAlos> andypugh: and for analog out can do the same?
[13:46:48] <archivist> a wavy spring
[13:47:03] <andypugh> JesusAlos: Yes
[13:47:14] <JesusAlos> with kind value number?
[13:47:31] <fragalot> archivist: too late now anyway :P and LM12UU's are cheap
[13:47:41] <andypugh> I am not sure if it a 0 to 1 range, or a -1 to 1, or -10 to 10
[13:47:41] <fragalot> i've managed to press it out ~3mm sofar
[13:47:44] <skunkworks> andypugh: do yo know off the top of your head how fast the 5i25 can output step pulses?
[13:47:47] <fragalot> only another 35 to go!
[13:47:56] <andypugh> skunkworks: I think 10MHz
[13:48:00] <archivist> fragalot,
http://www.assocspring.co.uk/p/23/wave_spring_washers/ but you want one with more waves in it and reasonable strong
[13:48:04] <skunkworks> andypugh: thanks!
[13:48:32] <fragalot> archivist: I don't see what you want me to do with that
[13:49:04] <fragalot> it's play in the linear bearings themselves
[13:49:11] <andypugh> archivist: These are very useful.
http://www.assocspring.co.uk/p/41/multiwave_compression_springs/ I have one to retract the piston on my toolchanger
[13:49:49] <archivist> andypugh, I got some multi wave when I was scrapping stuff :)
[13:50:57] <archivist> fragalot, need to add some compression across the opening for that then (if the housing is slotted)
[13:51:28] <fragalot> it's not a slotted housing
[13:51:43] <fragalot> very tight bore through a solid alu block
[13:52:00] <archivist> then get the right sized bar for the bearing
[13:52:07] <fragalot> have
[13:52:10] <fragalot> it's nearly all out
[13:52:51] <fragalot> courtesy of a very heavy hammer and bar stock that looks like i'll need to cut the end flat again before trying the next bearing
[13:52:56] <fragalot> >.<
[13:53:24] <archivist> belville washers are a nice toy to make springs to suit jobs
[13:53:46] <fragalot> first one, OUT!
[13:54:12] <fragalot> wow
[13:54:44] <fragalot> measured the bearing, very nice 21mm... measured the hole it came out of, 20.9
[13:54:58] <fragalot> 20.93*
[13:55:23] <fragalot> oh great
[13:55:40] <fragalot> now that it's out, i've found 2 hidden screws to adjust it the other way
[13:56:14] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:25664
[13:57:53] <archivist> I wonder how many days the hinge will last
[13:57:58] <fragalot> (with hidden, I mean that they're in line with the mounting screws & so deep I never saw them)
[13:58:22] <fragalot> neat concept
[14:00:23] <JesusAlos> andypugh: what mean .in_not
[14:00:37] <JesusAlos> in pin name
[14:01:09] <tjb1> Get out r00t4rd3d, linking ipad items…tisk tisk
[14:01:27] <andypugh> if the input is true, then in = 1 and in_not = 0.
[14:01:49] <andypugh> in_not is just provided for convenience when you want a pin that works the opposite way.
[14:01:58] <JesusAlos> ok
[14:02:45] <JesusAlos> eny reference about this HAL configurations?
[14:04:24] <Loetmichel> soo, second one done, third to go :
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14004
[14:11:52] <fragalot> booyah
[14:12:03] <fragalot> found 2 spare LM12UU's from another project, reamed the holes, fitted... perfect.
[14:12:08] * fragalot reassembles
[14:12:24] <fragalot> >.< and I just got hit in the nads by the linear rod
[14:21:42] <fragalot> booyah. spindle now only flexes rather than rattle.. still 0.05mm though, but that's alright
[14:23:24] <Loetmichel> ouch
[14:23:41] <fragalot> Loetmichel: hey, it's 0.30mm better than it used to be
[14:23:41] <fragalot> xD
[14:23:44] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/244429
[14:23:51] <JesusAlos> I have doubt
[14:23:51] <Loetmichel> i meant the gonads ;-)
[14:24:34] <fragalot> Loetmichel: lol yeah
[14:24:49] <JesusAlos> "VFIELD" pin is for outpts and "VIN" Pins for inputs?
[14:24:57] <fragalot> right, if I put a bit more force on it (eg; what it might see if I drill 2mm into plastic), it still moves 0.2mm
[14:25:24] <fragalot> JesusAlos: looks like it
[14:25:43] <fragalot> JesusAlos: VIN is for the logic, eg. the controller itself
[14:25:53] <fragalot> .. wait
[14:25:53] <archivist> fragalot, trick time, can you move one or both bars farther apart to remove that play
[14:26:14] <fragalot> archivist: wouldn't that create a slight bow in the movement
[14:26:15] <fragalot> ?
[14:26:42] <archivist> removing play only not adding strain
[14:27:14] <fragalot> it's not really play though, it's more leverage & 12mm rods
[14:27:45] <archivist> besides any strain should balance so bars will bow towards each other leaving the carriage in the middle
[14:28:12] <archivist> 12mm is a bit thin
[14:28:24] <fragalot> yup
[14:28:37] <fragalot> might aswell replace them with 16mm backed ones
[14:30:11] <fragalot> http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-Set-16x-300mm-Breite-Linearfuhrung-Linear-Guide-Rail-Frase-Wellenfuhrung-/221174078137?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item337f009ab9 these look alright
[14:32:04] <archivist> dunno how you adjust any play in those
[14:32:29] <fragalot> screw
[14:32:42] <fragalot> indicated in the picture
[14:32:44] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/QwwFmQv.jpg
[14:32:57] <fragalot> r00t4rd3d: brilliant
[14:33:35] <archivist> fragalot, it is in some odd foreign lingo !
[14:34:12] <fragalot> you call yourself an engineer yet you can't read german?
[14:35:13] <archivist> I can read a few dutch words, is that enough
[14:35:52] <fragalot> yeah sure
[14:35:59] <archivist> hmm my te koop/te huur sign has gone missing
[14:36:53] <fragalot> moved my carriage all the way to the right
[14:36:54] <archivist> had fun putting te koop on our table at an electronics flea market
[14:37:09] <fragalot> flex is now 0.07mm under fairly high load
[14:37:26] <JesusAlos> please. Any economical servomotors and drives page?
[14:37:35] <fragalot> hm, .15mm if I take both directions into account
[14:39:39] <JesusAlos> fragalot: If VIN is for logical, what is TB1 aux 5v?
[14:42:05] <fragalot> no idea.
[14:42:27] <fragalot> gah where the hell is this flex coming from ._.
[14:45:59] <fragalot> bed-spindle, 0.15mm | Z carriage-X, 0.01mm | Z carriage-chassis, 0.01mm ... so that tells me it's not the X rods flexing
[14:46:14] <JesusAlos> no servomotor economycal page?
[14:46:56] <andypugh> JesusAlos: Have you seen www.dmm-tech.com?
[14:47:13] <JesusAlos> no
[14:47:41] <JesusAlos> do you use it?
[14:47:54] <andypugh> No
[14:48:01] <andypugh> I get my motors second-hand from eBay
[14:48:54] <andypugh> You could look at
http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/en/35-servo-motors too
[14:49:45] <fragalot> chassis - X carriage: 0mm .. so it's still the Z doing it
[14:50:09] <fragalot> but if I make those bearings any tighter, it won't move freely anymore
[14:51:55] <fragalot> meh, enough for today
[14:51:58] * fragalot afk
[14:55:38] <mrsun> gah i want to get this machine together now .. but cant figure out how to make the rails flat :P
[14:56:00] <mrsun> have a grinder mounted but something is warped somewhere as i get higher points to the ends of the rails then in the middle :P
[14:56:27] <mrsun> if its the angle that has warped .. or if its the table that is warped somehow :P
[14:56:36] <mrsun> might be bowing down
[14:56:45] <mrsun> hmm
[14:56:59] <andypugh> JesusAlos: Someone on the mailing list was recommending these:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/90mm-750w-middle-inertia-high-rpm-three-phase-electric-motor/100742_638067674.html
[14:57:03] <mrsun> gonna have to try and support it from underneith and see if that gets better :P
[15:30:58] <Tom_itx> http://rainbowlazer.com/3d/rhino/diy-3-axis-cnc-millenhanced-machine-controller/
[15:44:09] <AR__> wo
[15:44:11] <AR__> woo
[15:44:47] <AR__> $14 shipped for 3 double ended endmills 5/8 1/4 5/16
[15:46:26] <ReadError> AR__ i been using this guy one ebay
[15:46:36] <ReadError> get 10x 1/8" for 33$
[15:46:40] <AR__> china?
[15:46:47] <ReadError> texas
[15:46:59] <AR__> qualityprices-123 ?
[15:47:05] <ReadError> drillman1
[15:47:14] <AR__> o
[15:47:29] <AR__> i just found this qualityprices-123 guy who sells endmills for like $1 a piece
[15:47:32] <ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/150964627802?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[15:48:11] <AR__> ah his prices are good too
[15:48:17] <AR__> saved
[15:48:17] <ReadError> hm im not finding anything from that guy
[15:48:27] <AR__> http://stores.ebay.com/qualityprices-123
[15:48:36] <AR__> search 'endmill' in his store
[15:48:54] <AR__> kindof random sizes
[15:50:17] <AR__> yeah that drillman1 guy i am definitely bookmarking
[15:50:27] <ReadError> i pretty much stick with 1/8" for the stuff i do
[15:50:32] <ReadError> makes things easy on me
[15:52:06] <ReadError> i was paying like 10$ each from amazon
[15:52:14] <AR__> yeah
[15:52:36] <AR__> i have a $50 amazon gift card, but i keep finding stuff for like half price other places
[15:52:45] <AR__> rofl
[15:53:00] <ReadError> oh man i snagged a good deal on some aluminum from amazon
[15:53:07] <ReadError> even whored it up with prime shipping ;)
[15:53:16] <ReadError> 72"
[15:54:41] <AR__> lool
[16:10:21] <Tom_itx> i get my al from a local surplus
[16:11:21] * Jymmm gets his al from Tom_itx when he's not around.
[16:11:37] <Tom_itx> feel free
[16:11:46] <KimK> Tom_itx: Which one? (Might be handy to know.)
[16:11:55] <Tom_itx> yard
[16:12:01] <Tom_itx> E central
[16:12:03] <Tom_itx> usually
[16:12:12] <KimK> OK, thanks
[16:12:17] <Tom_itx> boeing surplus is gone now
[16:12:27] <Tom_itx> right by the train overpass
[16:12:32] <ReadError> hm
[16:12:46] <ReadError> i need to find a better source for these vibration dampening mounts
[16:12:53] <ReadError> is there any other place like mcmaster i could check?
[16:12:54] <Tom_itx> and the iron scrap from another place
[16:13:09] <ReadError> mcmaster has them, but 2.63 a pop
[16:13:24] <Jymmm> grainger
[16:13:45] <ReadError> http://www.mcmaster.com/#vibration-damping-sandwich-mounts/=l80aq9
[16:13:45] <Tom_itx> KimK, we would get all our tooling plates from them
[16:13:47] <ReadError> ahh
[16:13:53] <ReadError> didnt think about them good call
[16:14:01] <JesusAlos> GN
[16:14:17] <Tom_itx> fastenal too ReadError
[16:14:37] <JesusAlos> http://www.tecnodin.com/grupos.html
[16:15:11] <Tom_itx> you could make some pretty easy with a couple bolts and some 2 part urethane
[16:17:14] <Tom_itx> http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/105194087/Rubber_Bushing_Bushes_Buffer_Shock_Absorber/showimage.html
[16:18:21] <Jymmm> http://www.vibrationmounts.com/
[16:19:20] <Jymmm> ReadError: ebay amazon
[16:19:33] <ReadError> yea mcmaster seems to be the best price wise
[16:19:39] <ReadError> from my research here
[16:33:25] <AR__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbfXXeiSHsw
[16:33:32] <AR__> lol this is a cool setup
[16:35:44] <mrsun> the time it must have taken to make that setup :P
[16:36:27] <fragalot> AR__: that looks so wrong
[16:36:30] <fragalot> yet so right
[16:36:34] <Jymmm> Setup once, machine many. And pretty fast too.
[16:36:35] <AR__> hahaha
[16:38:18] <fragalot> it certainly doesn't look like it mucks about muchs
[16:38:21] <fragalot> -s
[16:38:58] <ReadError> haha
[16:39:02] <ReadError> thats awesome
[16:39:21] <ReadError> couldnt you set that up on its own toolplate?
[16:39:26] <ReadError> and drop it in when you needed it
[16:39:33] <fragalot> ReadError: it kinda looks like that's what he did
[16:39:33] <Jymmm> yep
[16:39:36] <fragalot> or she (you never know)
[16:40:26] <Jymmm> Imagine trying to machine that manually. It take forever.
[16:40:34] <fragalot> you can also fit a LOT of tools on there if you do it right
[16:44:57] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr9Mki_ElXU
[16:44:58] <fragalot> lolwhoops
[16:48:22] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:58:21] * fragalot wonders if a system exists for CNC mills that they stop if the tool comes into contact with a part during a G0 move
[16:58:55] <fragalot> if not, I should invent it and call it the ToolSave
[16:58:56] <fragalot> :P
[16:59:41] <DaViruz_> i doubt it could react in time
[16:59:54] <DaViruz_> most times at least
[17:00:27] <fragalot> it could still minimize damage
[17:00:54] <DaViruz_> i guess
[17:01:25] <andypugh> If electrical contact breaks, and then re-makes, e-stop. It could work.
[17:01:32] <DaViruz_> i've crashed a big mill twice. not very pleasant
[17:02:09] <fragalot> I once witnessed a really odd crash on a massive mill
[17:02:13] <DaViruz_> through no fault of my own luckily, since it wasn't mine
[17:02:31] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGiYlyo2-eQ
[17:02:31] <fragalot> it had a 60something toolchanger, which somehow managed to get out of sync during a series production run
[17:02:43] <fragalot> and rather than grab a drill bit, it decided it needed a depth clock
[17:02:53] <fragalot> spun that up to 1200rpm, and smashed it into the workpiece
[17:03:22] <fragalot> Jymmm: I love that idea :)
[17:03:31] <fragalot> sure, it's expensive, but how much is your finger worth?
[17:04:09] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[17:04:31] <fragalot> was just going to mention that, lol
[17:04:32] <fragalot> also, gnite!
[17:04:47] <DaViruz_> if you wrech several a week due to damp wood i imagine it would be annoying
[17:04:51] <DaViruz_> wreck*
[17:06:32] <fragalot> DaViruz_: apparently it's not that sensitive
[17:06:57] <DaViruz_> it is amazing how little damage there is in the sausage
[17:07:23] <fragalot> Aye! :D
[17:08:03] <DaViruz_> oh he's trying it on his own finger
[17:08:29] <fragalot> he's touching it on the side tho
[17:08:59] <DaViruz_> and pretty slowly
[17:09:49] <fragalot> I'm just waiting for americans filing claims because they got an aluminium chip in their eye from that system
[17:09:52] <fragalot> :P
[17:13:25] <Jymmm> Nah, that's covered under "Wear ANSI approved safety gear"
[17:14:54] <Jymmm> It's suppose to be a good saw, but what about after it's been triggered? Does it warp/twist anything?
[17:18:40] <andypugh> For the next 2 weeks I will be 65 degrees North. I don't expect you will hear much from me in that time.
[17:19:10] <Jymmm> andypugh: greenland?
[17:19:22] <andypugh> Finland
[17:19:35] <minibnz> hi guys does anyone know of any links to assit me in hooking up a set of DRO Scales (fed to an arduino) to provide axis feedback from my steppers
[17:19:43] <Jymmm> same diff =) phucking cold and sticky fish
[17:19:48] <Jymmm> stinky
[17:19:51] <andypugh> Aye.
[17:20:00] <minibnz> ih ave the arduino code sorted, need help hooking into EMC and HAL
[17:21:13] <minibnz> i am guessing i need to write a python script that produces the out put and feeds that to the hal but i cant see where to start.
[17:22:07] <minibnz> ih ave basic open loop setup working but want to close the loop.
[17:25:34] <Jymmm> WTF.... cutoff wheel on fuel filler hose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01v8iqegzA
[17:34:47] <minibnz> does anyone know where i can find a list of all the standard EMC variables that are available to a python module?
[17:35:03] <minibnz> is there such a document? or am i dreaming....
[17:35:50] <micges> minibnz: what variables?
[17:42:38] <jdh> anyone have a 40ish watt chinese laser?
[17:46:05] <minibnz> <micges> was hoping to find a variable that i can load up with the DRO Scale feedback..
[17:47:04] <minibnz> that is to say, if i move the bed X +10 and it only moves 9.9mm the DRO output is 9.9mm and this number is fed back to genereate an error value of 0.1 and then the iocontrol system would fix that..
[17:47:17] <minibnz> by generating more pulses for my steppers..
[17:47:58] <minibnz> my end goal to close the loop on my stepper fed axis. i have the DRO's hooked up to an arduino. just rying to work out how to get that feedback into EMC
[17:48:46] <minibnz> I have found some documents on HAL and how execute the python modules. but need to know how to pass the info in and out
[17:50:16] <minibnz> there is lots of info in the HAL user manual and i am working my way thru that, but it would be nice to have a cheat sheet like table that says this is the variables that you can use in python modules by default. that way i dont take the hard path and make my own module that dupicates whats already there
[17:51:00] <minibnz> then i could be reading the manual and have an idea that this is how i will do things....
[17:51:40] <minibnz> like what format the feedback numbers would be taking, are they 24bit floats or 32bit floats.. stuff like that..
[17:55:52] <pcw_home> how is the Arduino connected to the PC?
[17:56:43] <Tom_itx> probably serial via usb
[17:56:46] <minibnz> usb
[17:57:08] <minibnz> but if timing is an issue i can use the real serial port.. if needed.
[17:57:56] <minibnz> looks like the section i want isnt documented yet.. ncoder
[17:57:56] <minibnz> Software based encoder counter. See section [?
[17:58:21] <minibnz> and there is no section for the encoder in this document.. maybe its out there...
[18:01:45] <minibnz> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc_formerly_emc2/98039-stepper_encoder_how_stop_exec_missed_steps.html
[18:02:33] <minibnz> ahhh just had to use the right search terms.. this link has some of what i need.. but right now i have to go to the parents place for lucnh....
[18:02:39] <minibnz> lunch...
[18:03:39] <minibnz> thanks for let me talk out my problem... if anyone has any suggestions PM me and i will get back to you when i get back..
[19:05:52] <Tecan> http://www.pastebin.ca/2307957 hehe
[19:37:57] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError so whats my chances of you printing my virtual porn goggles?
[19:38:08] <r00t4rd3d> slim to none?
[19:38:21] <ReadError> yea i can prolly
[19:38:29] <ReadError> been preoccupied
[19:38:52] <r00t4rd3d> with quadcopter stuff?
[19:39:43] <Jymmm> Tecan: lol
[19:39:51] <Jymmm> Tecan++
[19:44:52] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d, among other things
[19:44:54] <ReadError> and work
[19:53:15] <r00t4rd3d> how high can you print?
[19:53:33] <r00t4rd3d> i think those things are like 6inches tall
[19:56:06] <ReadError> ermm
[19:56:10] <ReadError> 6" might be too tall
[19:56:31] <ReadError> Z is kinda gimped
[20:02:06] <r00t4rd3d> Z 6.1024 | X 7.7658 | Y 4.7638
[20:19:19] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY if this is real......
[20:40:33] <r00t4rd3d> did you really watch all 14 minutes of that?
[20:41:46] <r00t4rd3d> Youtube need << >>
[21:02:46] <ReadError> i think r00t4rd3d would settle for a "I cant ********* to this...." button
[21:06:14] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: Ill print them in like 20 different pieces
[21:06:20] <tjb1> that you can assemble your choice :P
[21:06:27] <ReadError> lol
[21:06:52] <tjb1> even with the upgrade im doing I will only be at 5.9
[21:07:29] <tjb1> Not gonna be able to handle the X
[21:09:25] <ReadError> Z?
[21:10:49] <Tecan> r00t4rded the whole move was not slow like the first min it was emphasizing something
[21:11:17] <Tecan> that movie is nutzo
[21:12:11] <Tecan> that out of all the country's the states was the only one crazy enough to use them on another country
[21:18:54] <jdh> any suggestions for an inexpensive but non-sucky multimeter for a student?
[21:19:32] <Valen> what defines sucky to you?
[21:19:38] <Valen> I use $5 ones all the time lol
[21:19:46] <jdh> I use $2 ones
[21:20:12] <jdh> some were free though. When the battery dies, I usually throw them away
[21:20:37] <Valen> deal extreme will probably have a 10 pack of 9v batteries or whatever for $2
[21:21:33] <jdh> I was looking for something real
[21:21:43] <Valen> get something with a backlight
[21:21:46] <Valen> thats usefull
[21:22:39] <tjb1> jdh: fluke 87v
[21:22:42] <tjb1> :)
[21:22:43] <Valen> also get good leads
[21:23:03] <jdh> too pricey
[21:23:07] <Valen> silicon with the fine wires and them little graspy probes
[21:29:22] <jdh> fluke 15b looks basic and <$100
[21:31:21] <tjb1> watch which one you get
[21:31:31] <tjb1> some wont do fine voltages and such
[21:31:37] <tjb1> well they dont have the resolution
[21:31:54] <jdh> yeah, I ran across one at work a few week ago that only did 0.1v
[21:32:16] <Valen> .1 is a bit naff
[21:32:18] <tjb1> I got an 87v so I never have to get one again
[21:32:29] <jdh> this one says .1mV
[21:33:03] <Valen> I put $5 ones around the place because when the one in my tool bag looses its grudge match with the lump hammer i dont cry
[21:33:37] <jdh> I pick them up at harbor freight when they are free or $2
[21:34:12] <Valen> hmmm don't know if i'd trust it from here, though since everything is made in china anyway is there a difference?
http://dx.com/p/fluke-15b-2-6-lcd-digital-multimeter-meter-2-aa-included-28658?tc=AUD&gclid=COKqmJaMirUCFahMpgodwh8A0Q
[21:34:15] <jdh> it's for my son. A cheap featured chinese one might be more interesting
[21:34:25] <Valen> how old is he?
[21:34:31] <jdh> 18
[21:34:33] <Valen> and what does he want to use it for?
[21:34:35] <jdh> college freshman
[21:37:00] <jdh> the class says: You are recommended to purchase an inexpensive multimeter to use at home.
[21:37:21] <jdh> so, I can give him one of my $2 ones, or buy a semi-decent one.
[21:37:35] <Valen> I'd suggest perhaps getting him a few $2 ones and a decent one
[21:38:07] <Valen> but if he hasn't used them much before and might try and measure the impedance of the wall socket or how many amps are in the battery then a fluke may not be the best bet just yet
[21:38:14] <ReadError> i upgraded from a cheap DMM to a fluke
[21:38:19] <ReadError> it was well worth it
[21:38:29] <Valen> friend of mine once tried to measure the amps in a car spark plug lead
[21:38:31] <ReadError> granted, i had cheap DDM for 10 years
[21:38:39] <ReadError> and it served me well
[21:38:49] <ReadError> but the fluke, i felt like a man
[21:38:51] <Valen> the result was "AAGGAGAGAG FFFFFFUUFUUUUU TURN IT OFFFF@!@!!!@#!@#"
[21:39:04] <Valen> then he hurled the meter and himself across the garage
[21:40:01] <ReadError> http://www.fluke.com/fluke/usen/digital-multimeters/Fluke-117.htm?PID=55996
[21:41:24] <Valen> oh yeah, i'm wary of auto ranging stuff
[21:41:50] <Valen> i mean it can be nice but it often seems to screw around a lot before getting to the actual measurement
[21:42:39] <jdh> yep
[21:42:47] <jdh> and then you have to find a simpson
[21:43:01] <Valen> I'd consider something with a clamp meter too
[21:43:41] <jdh> I'm leaning more toward $20 chinese now
[21:44:22] <Valen> my tool purchasing philosophy is to get a broad range of cheap crap, then when i break something or throw it at a wall buy the best one of those i can afford, as its obviously something i use
[21:44:38] <jdh> it's not for me though :)
[21:45:11] <jdh> I have a good meter somewhere, but I haven't seen it in a year probably. The $2 ones and my scope do all I need.
[21:45:23] <Valen> I figure he may appreciate getting something with all the bells and whistles on that may suck in some way or another then he can get a good one if he winds up using it
[21:45:28] <Valen> whats the class on?
[21:45:35] <jdh> intro circuts
[21:46:18] <Valen> I wonder if one of these might be good then
http://dx.com/p/ds0201-2-8-lcd-pocket-mini-oscilloscope-v1-5-device-micro-sd-tf-card-slot-39750
[21:47:28] <jdh> I'd like to have the quad one
[21:47:28] <jdh> but, not bad enough to pay for it.
[21:47:28] <Valen> this looks the seks lol
http://dx.com/p/qdso-3-5-lcd-1-ch-40mhz-250ms-s-mini-digital-oscilloscope-black-orange-153902
[21:47:28] <Valen> I reckon one that bluetoothed data to an android phone would be neat ;->
[21:49:37] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/380401055496
[21:50:05] <jdh> nothing worse than crappy probes though
[21:50:07] <Valen> looks pretty good really
[21:50:11] <Valen> yeah spend the money on those
[21:50:39] <Valen> get those ones with the little hooks on that you can latch on, also a set of alligator clip probes
[21:54:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://hacknmod.com/hack/build-a-wireless-oscilloscope-for-android-phones/
[21:55:04] <ReadError> i finally go a decent 100mhz scope last year
[21:55:15] <ReadError> 2 chan, LCD and all
[22:02:17] <tjb1> I got a rigol ds1052e
[22:02:20] <tjb1> hacked to 100MHz
[22:07:50] <ReadError> firmware?
[22:07:51] <r00t4rd3d> you are going to megahertz your eye out.
[22:07:51] <tjb1> Yes
[22:07:51] <tjb1> Just change the serial number
[22:11:04] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1 does your school have a 3d printer?
[22:11:21] <tjb1> we have 5
[22:11:21] <tjb1> two fdms
[22:11:21] <tjb1> two powders
[22:11:22] <tjb1> and a wax
[22:12:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:43655
[22:12:30] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: why dont you put an extruder on your baby router? :D
[22:13:25] <r00t4rd3d> i wouldnt have the x height either.
[22:13:43] <tjb1> x isnt height
[22:13:49] <r00t4rd3d> err z
[22:14:05] <tjb1> I have 3 inches right now
[22:14:07] <r00t4rd3d> how about your z axis?
[22:14:33] <tjb1> [11:01pm] tjb1: I have 3 inches right now
[22:14:39] <r00t4rd3d> how about your z axis?
[22:14:47] <tjb1> >:(
[22:15:35] <r00t4rd3d> i would need another controller, 4 axis
[22:16:40] <tjb1> stop bein lazy
[22:17:40] <r00t4rd3d> i will probably make a delta this summer when the money flows.
[22:18:07] <AR__> i have 3 inches right now
[22:18:08] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[22:20:20] <AR__> so when i drilled the end plates for my X axis rods
[22:20:22] <AR__> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=176024&d=1359244651
[22:20:48] <AR__> the holes for the one rod are slightly higher than the ones on the left
[22:20:51] <AR__> like 1/16
[22:20:53] <AR__> i'm pissed
[22:21:15] <AR__> so I dont know what i'm going to do
[22:21:39] <AR__> i really dont want to redrill new plates because my drill press sounded like it was going to explode with a 5/8 drill
[22:22:21] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/SDS7102-Digital-Oscilloscope-2-channel-interface/dp/B006G54K3G/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1359346105&sr=8-7&keywords=oscilloscope
[22:23:14] <AR__> get a rigol
[22:24:47] <ReadError> i got that one
[22:24:49] <ReadError> works great
[22:37:56] <r00t4rd3d> DB.
[23:36:16] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1
[23:37:31] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
[23:37:45] <r00t4rd3d> is that a script?
[23:37:53] <tjb1> what?
[23:37:53] <r00t4rd3d> the nick changing fiasco ?
[23:37:55] <tjb1> no
[23:58:27] <Connor> AR__: Did you step UP to the 5/8? or just try to drill it in one shot?
