#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-01-09

[01:46:55] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:53:16] <Jymmm> ug
[02:03:30] <tjb1> Its mornin alright
[02:10:35] <tjb1> So Jymmm what is the status
[02:10:50] <Jymmm> ?
[02:10:55] <tjb1> On your suv
[02:11:52] <Jymmm> no clue, spent most of the day cleaning / mopping up the raw sewage overflow from the washer drain when it was being snaked on the roof.
[02:12:32] <tjb1> Sewage is always fun
[02:33:31] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:56:04] <tjb1> Oh boy, $60 a fan for my macbook
[02:57:42] <Jymmm> ?
[02:58:12] <tjb1> One of my fans is clicking
[02:58:21] <tjb1> I checked ifixit, its $60 :(
[02:58:46] <Jymmm> how do you know it's the fans?
[02:58:56] <tjb1> What else would click?
[02:59:07] <Jymmm> hdd odd
[02:59:12] <tjb1> I have an SSD
[02:59:18] <Jymmm> so?
[02:59:19] <tjb1> and this changes with fan speed
[02:59:25] <tjb1> I dont have a HDD
[02:59:29] <Jymmm> so?
[02:59:30] <archivist> just clean it
[02:59:33] <tjb1> I did
[02:59:56] <tjb1> Off to ebay
[03:00:14] <archivist> file off the bit that catches
[03:00:28] <tjb1> I didnt see anything
[03:00:32] <tjb1> I think it is inside
[03:00:57] <tjb1> Only $9 on ebay
[03:00:58] <tjb1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Original-MacBook-Pro-15-4-Unibody-A1286-Fan-Assembly-661-4952-Left-/170921082345?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item27cbb0bde9
[03:02:35] <Jymmm> Fuck! I hate the whole early/mid/late yyyy model shit
[03:03:59] <tjb1> Mine is the 2.66 i7 mid 2010
[03:06:29] <Jymmm> By SN works for me
[03:54:01] <alex_joni> anyone ever seen this?
[03:54:02] <alex_joni> axis[2432]: segfault at b781f000 ip 00d18d23 sp bf930228 error 4 in libc-2.11.1.so[c08000+153000]
[07:34:03] * jthornton has fingered out gtk notebook tabs... finally
[09:11:20] <skunkworks> the answer is out there....
[09:13:15] <Jymmm> ... so are $2 cradek whores, doesn't mean you want to get in-depth, up close, and personal now.
[09:13:51] <cradek> hey, I'm worth at least a $20
[09:16:16] <Jymmm> eh
[09:17:06] <Jymmm> Well, if its $2 cradek PS whores, then $200
[09:18:04] <skunkworks> *the truth is out there.. Sorry - got my quote wrong
[09:18:43] <pcw_home> cue xfiles music
[09:19:30] <Jymmm> skunkworks: No it's not, name the last time you weren't lied to?
[09:31:34] <Jymmm> I doubt they are waterproof... http://dx.com/p/4-pin-speaker-cable-plug-connectors-blue-black-5-piece-pack-137612
[09:34:11] <Jymmm> Limit switches ? http://dx.com/p/diy-3-pin-micro-switches-black-red-ac-125-250v-10-pcs-158309
[09:37:34] <Jymmm> 22mm GRN LED Panel Lamp Lights 24V AC or DC http://dx.com/p/22mm-green-led-power-indicator-signal-lights-black-green-24v-5-pcs-157073
[09:38:32] <skunkworks> I used something similar for a tool touch off... (micro switches..)
[09:39:26] <Jymmm> Dx DOES have proximity switches surprisingly
[09:40:42] <Jymmm> 22mm RED LED Panel Lamp Lights 24V AC or DC http://dx.com/p/22mm-red-led-power-indicator-signal-lights-black-red-5-pcs-157072
[09:41:59] <Connor> I want the bigger size micro switches..
[09:42:19] <pcw_home> macro switches?
[09:42:37] <skunkworks> heh
[09:42:37] <Connor> No. They just make some that are a bit larger than those..
[09:42:56] <Jymmm> 22mm YEL LED Panel Lamp Lights 24V AC or DC http://dx.com/p/instrument-indicator-light-signal-light-yellow-24v-5-pcs-156229
[09:43:10] <Jymmm> Connor: Kilo Switches?
[09:43:24] <Connor> wait.. those may be the bigger ones..
[09:43:40] <FinboySlick> That site is filled with cool cheap junk.
[09:44:47] <Connor> Now, the question is, does the Dimensions include the connectors or not..
[09:47:11] <pcw_home> 'Better Business Beareau Claim ID 42269238'
[09:47:12] <pcw_home> seems like the spammeisters need a dictionary
[09:47:40] <Jymmm> Ironically though... ebay can be cheaper than DX
[09:48:35] <Jymmm> One example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4GHz-25dbi-Yagi-WLAN-WiFi-Wireless-RPSMA-Antenna-For-Modem-PCI-Card-Router-/400380185315?pt=UK_Computing_Boosters_Extenders_Antennas&hash=item5d3884cae3 -VS- http://dx.com/p/rp-sma-male-2-4ghz-16-unit-25dbi-directional-high-gain-antenna-for-wi-fi-router-silver-157599?rt=1&p=2&m=2&r=3&k=1&t=1&s=156001&u=157599
[09:53:55] <Jymmm> pcw_home: If they did that, then the smart ppl might respond.
[09:56:29] <Jymmm> Connor: you might compare that to mouser or digikey who show dimension drawings
[09:57:39] <jdh> I got some from DX or some chinese place. Pretty small
[10:08:47] <Connor> Those are the larger ones.. I found the smaller ones on here too...
[10:23:48] <IchGuckLive> hi all around the globe
[10:24:13] <IchGuckLive> Toda first people wars hot with a printed gun
[10:24:37] <IchGuckLive> the 3D printer as a wepon that is hard
[10:25:16] <JT-Shop> IchGuckLive: did you need some info?
[10:26:20] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: woudt be nice if you can tell me or make a picture about how you connected the hyperterm to the linuxcnc via relai or to start the action
[10:27:32] <FinboySlick> IchGuckLive: Are you talking about Hyperterm that comes with windows?
[10:27:50] <IchGuckLive> FinboySlick: no plasm
[10:27:57] <FinboySlick> OK.
[10:28:07] <IchGuckLive> jt knows
[10:29:32] <JT-Shop> on mine the arc ok output is a dry contact so it is connected to an input and the arc start to the torch is connected to an output of the 7i76
[10:30:26] <JT-Shop> the hal connections are in here http://gnipsel.com/shop/plasma/files/plasma.hal
[10:30:54] <JT-Shop> # spindle on starts the arc
[10:30:55] <JT-Shop> net spindle-on motion.spindle-on => parport.0.pin-16-out
[10:30:58] <IchGuckLive> do i need to control this 2 or only one
[10:31:13] <IchGuckLive> thats what i guess M3
[10:31:15] <IchGuckLive> M5
[10:31:25] <JT-Shop> yea M3 S1
[10:31:30] <JT-Shop> don't forget S1
[10:31:39] <IchGuckLive> only one nedded ir do i got to wait for ark ok
[10:31:58] <JT-Shop> depends on your unit and what your using for a THC
[10:32:33] <IchGuckLive> you said you gaugt it off so what gaugh did you use for the first moves
[10:33:08] <IchGuckLive> in hand mode it is on the plate
[10:33:09] <JT-Shop> the pierce height and cut height are in the manuals for the torch and may vary depending on the model
[10:33:24] <IchGuckLive> ok
[10:33:37] <IchGuckLive> still waiteng for delivering powermax 45
[10:33:43] <JT-Shop> with a floating head you could do drag cutting
[10:34:14] <JT-Shop> I think that is the same torch as tjb1 has
[10:34:46] <JT-Shop> I started out just using a feeler gauge to find cut height and did not have a THC, kinda slow but it worked
[10:34:50] <IchGuckLive> yes its quit comen the 65 is the new one that can handle up to 22mm
[10:35:07] * JT-Shop heads to the propane store for parts
[10:35:28] <IchGuckLive> feeler gauge what shoudt i start with
[10:39:48] <IchGuckLive> ok by till later
[10:54:24] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[12:46:10] <JesusAlos_> hi boys
[12:46:14] <JesusAlos_> and girls
[12:46:18] <IchGuckLive> hi
[13:45:48] <JesusAlos_> long time ago I found a interface black box CNC
[13:46:04] <JesusAlos_> some body rememer it?
[13:49:49] <L84Supper> skunkworks: http://www.exone.com/materialization/systems these guys do what you were mentioning last week about going beyond 2.5D for 3D printers
[13:50:18] <L84Supper> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130109-3d-printer-company-exone-files-for-a-75-million-ipo.html they also just filed for a $75 million IPO
[14:10:21] <JesusAlos_> but I need edit the code
[14:24:14] <skunkworks> JesusAlos_, I don't think we have a clue what you are talking about...
[14:27:07] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> I'm not familar with your problem
[14:27:08] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> I need create a time bar in the interface
[14:27:08] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> this time mus control a pause stop control
[14:27:08] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> in XY axis machine
[14:27:08] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> must do a pause time when it detect a change direction more than 10º
[14:27:08] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> much better to ask on #linuxcnc channel
[14:27:10] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> sounds above my pay grade or I don't understand
[14:27:12] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> I looking for some programmer
[14:27:14] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> I pay it
[14:27:16] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> I only dabble in python and barely know how to spell C
[14:27:18] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> is the change in direction programmed in with G code?
[14:27:20] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> yes
[14:27:22] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> I think
[14:27:24] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> yes in Gcode direction
[14:27:28] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> when change the X to Y or Y to X
[14:27:30] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> mus be pause
[14:27:32] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> just put a G4 for the pause
[14:27:34] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> is a lott work
[14:27:36] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> there are a lott change direction
[14:27:38] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> at this point my WAG is what your asking for sounds like a change in the interperter which is a lot of work and above my abilities
[14:27:40] <ReadError> is JesusAlos the guy cutting foam
[14:27:41] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> make a python script to parse the G code file and add the G4P as needed
[14:27:43] <JT-Shop> <JesusAlos_> but the pause don't do automatic in change direction
[14:27:44] <ReadError> that wanted to pause
[14:27:45] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> you the hot wire guy that the wire is not hot enough to keep straight?
[14:27:47] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: there you go
[14:27:55] <JT-Shop> I think so
[14:28:20] <ReadError> is there a pause gcode i can throw in?
[14:28:23] <ReadError> similar to a toolchange
[14:28:28] <ReadError> or would toolchange be easiest
[14:28:45] <jdh> you can pause for a time, or pause until a digital input
[14:28:47] <skunkworks> mo
[14:28:49] <JT-Shop> I think he want's it automatic
[14:29:23] <skunkworks> oh - he want to add a pause depending on how sharp the angle is... I vaugly remember that
[14:29:46] <JT-Shop> sounds like a machine issue to me
[14:30:10] <JT-Shop> if you pause to wait for the wire to catch up the ends will over melt
[14:33:56] <JesusAlos_> yes JT-Shop, but customer need this function
[14:34:34] <JT-Shop> so it don't matter if the foam melts while the wire catches up?
[14:35:55] <JesusAlos_> no
[14:36:29] <JT-Shop> use G61 and set the acceleration low enough to give the wire time to catch up
[14:36:39] <JesusAlos_> to cut comb hig density is necesary
[14:37:04] <JesusAlos_> not enought
[14:39:16] <JesusAlos_> can continue tomorow
[14:39:21] <JesusAlos_> ?
[14:39:29] <JesusAlos_> i try video
[14:42:02] <JT-Shop> JesusAlos: might I suggest a three pronged approach to this problem... 1 as you are doing now dialog on the IRC, 2 post on the forum, 3 send a message to the mailing list. This way you reach everyone that monitors the EMC world
[14:42:14] <JT-Shop> why won't G61 work?
[14:43:35] <JesusAlos> because incompatibiliti Gcode with other machines in factory
[14:44:11] <JT-Shop> so the same G code must run on every machine without any changes at all?
[14:44:29] <JesusAlos> yes. No change in gcode
[14:44:49] <JesusAlos> just modific EMC
[14:45:00] <JT-Shop> what does the other machines use for path control?
[14:45:01] <JesusAlos> EMC software
[14:45:13] <Connor> I think you would be better off running a post processor on the gcode at the machine level...
[14:46:01] <JT-Shop> JesusAlos: does the code contain any G61 or G64 words?
[14:46:02] <JesusAlos> but every customer use different software
[14:46:19] <JesusAlos> JT-Shop
[14:46:22] <JT-Shop> oh different machines at different customers
[14:47:21] <JesusAlos> there are a lott kind CAM softwares
[14:47:24] <JT-Shop> how do you expect different G codes from different software to work?
[14:47:44] <JesusAlos> is no easy for me do a different postprocessor
[14:47:57] <JT-Shop> and they all use Post Processors and that is the function of the post processor to generate a g code to suit the machine
[14:48:50] <JT-Shop> how do you expect EMC to run code from every CAM program with different post processors?
[14:48:51] <Connor> What are you doing, selling a g-code file to customers for a specific product?
[14:49:13] <JesusAlos> sorry
[14:49:18] <JesusAlos> i mus go out
[14:49:18] * JT-Shop is plumb out of ideas now
[14:49:31] <JesusAlos> my baby cry
[14:49:49] <JesusAlos> tomorow i do more details an photo
[14:50:09] <JesusAlos> good night and thank to all
[14:50:31] <Connor> I'm still trying to understand WTF he's trying to do...
[14:51:09] <jdh> pause at transistions to allow teh hot wire to catch up
[14:51:29] <Connor> I got that part.. but, what's the deal with different machines etc?
[14:51:49] <Connor> Is he selling g-code files to people to use on their own machines.. or what..
[14:52:04] <Connor> why couldn't you change the file ?
[14:53:39] <jdh> or post process it during load on the specified machine
[15:01:29] <jdh> modify G61 processing to pause?
[15:08:34] <Connor> Why would the wire be lagging behind ?
[15:09:19] <jdh> hot, sags in the middle.
[15:09:39] <jdh> expands when hot
[15:10:13] <Connor> Shouldn't it have enough some sort of compensation mechanism? Like spring loaded or something..
[15:10:36] <jdh> Probably does, but I bet it will always sag
[15:26:32] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:03:04] <r00t4rd3d> adobe is giving away ps cs2 now
[16:03:10] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html
[16:07:47] <r00t4rd3d> well i guess they are not, install still requires a serial
[16:08:05] <Connor> The serial is provided..
[16:08:09] <Connor> right on that page.
[16:08:55] <tjb1> Already linked that 3 days ago r00t4rd3d, you are slow :P
[16:09:00] <tjb1> It wont work on new Macs
[16:14:34] <r00t4rd3d> if you have a new mac i am glad it dont work on it
[16:14:41] <r00t4rd3d> HAHA
[16:15:05] * r00t4rd3d draws stuffs
[16:15:43] <pfred1> are photo editing software the best applications for drawing in?
[16:16:38] <r00t4rd3d> what else is there?
[16:16:40] * pfred1 used to draw on paper with pencils
[16:16:56] <r00t4rd3d> relic
[16:17:01] <pfred1> I don't have the time for that today though
[16:17:49] <pfred1> I got a B+ in my college drawing class so I must not have been bad at it
[16:18:20] <pfred1> I actually thought I drew better than the top in the class but I think the teacher just liked the subject matter that kid picked better than mine
[16:18:38] <Jymmm> Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_FLwN8GIaM
[16:19:37] <pfred1> this is one of my college drawings http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3913/skullc.jpg
[16:20:50] <Jymmm> pfred1: No blood? No guts? No gore? Just an angry skull?
[16:21:13] <pfred1> Jymmm it was a still life assignment it was my belt buckle I was wearing
[16:21:22] <Jymmm> or constipated skull, your choice =)
[16:21:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d58_1357749894
[16:21:40] <Jymmm> pfred1: ah, heh
[16:21:43] <pfred1> it is actually broken one of the bones is missing on it
[16:21:45] <r00t4rd3d> thats a crash
[16:22:08] <pfred1> but that is actually how it was
[16:22:25] <pfred1> I wonder whatever happened to that thing?
[16:24:46] <pfred1> it is still a mental trick to be able to draw things accurately
[16:26:20] <pfred1> I took it upon myself when I was younger to learn it
[16:27:27] <tjb1> Nothing wrong with my G540…relay power bleeding into G540 and powering it
[16:28:06] <pfred1> I have a bleed power problem with my BOB
[16:29:01] <pfred1> like if my BOB is unpowered but it is connected to the parallel port the power LEDs on it glow a little
[16:32:02] <tjb1> Mine activates the output when the G540 loses power :P
[16:32:13] <tjb1> If he would have said that to begin with I wouldnt have needed to send it in...
[16:32:30] <pfred1> my back feed power doesn't actually do anything so I never bothered troubleshooting it
[16:32:51] <pfred1> it still bugs me that it does it though just not enough to fix it
[16:33:32] <tjb1> I either get a 48v relay or shut both power supplies off at the same time
[16:35:04] <pfred1> 48v relay sounds like a bit of an oddball
[16:35:29] <pfred1> they make them but they're not exactly commonplace
[16:38:33] <pfred1> tjb1 I had a neon indicator bulb go on me once and I didn't have any spares so I made an LED work on 120VAC
[16:38:49] <tjb1> Im not too electronics savvy
[16:39:32] <pfred1> me saying i made an LED work on 120VAC isn't saying I've very electronics savvy either
[16:39:44] <pfred1> but I made it work anyways
[16:40:18] <pfred1> it is amazing what they're charging for neon bulbs today!
[16:41:31] <Loetmichel> pfred1: al led as led or as incandescent lighting?
[16:41:32] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:42:30] <pfred1> Loetmichel light emitting diode
[16:42:55] <Loetmichel> pfred1: i meant: did the led emit light cold or because it was glowing? ;-)
[16:43:06] <pfred1> the only reason I did it is because I had the cabinet already drilled for the indicator lamp
[16:44:15] <pfred1> Loetmichel I'm not following you I'm afraid
[16:44:19] <Loetmichel> <- been there, accidentally switched the intended 10k resistor with a 100 R... "wha the hell tis GREEN led is glowing orange?" *touch* *PSSSSS* "AHHHH"
[16:44:20] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:45:13] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: The reflex following 'what the hell' should never be to touch the thing.
[16:45:16] <pfred1> I forget what dropping resistor I had to use maybe 2.7K? I figured it was going to dissipate 2 watts or so so I used a 5 it got so hot I wished I'd used a 10W
[16:45:37] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Sort of in the lines of: "Hold my beer and check this out."
[16:45:38] <pfred1> but it works to this day so I don't worry about it looks good too
[16:46:31] <pfred1> tjb1 download this file and be an electronics God : http://i.imgur.com/FbJ17.gif
[16:46:44] <tjb1> Erm, math
[16:46:51] <pfred1> yeah but it works
[16:47:43] <Loetmichel> pfred1: 6kOhms. and better use a fitting capacitive choke instad, doesent get so warm ;-)
[16:48:27] <pfred1> Loetmichel I know there are better ways but I just wanted to fill a hole in a chassis and I didn't want to have to be doing it at all
[16:48:58] <Loetmichel> i see
[16:49:25] <pfred1> the dream would have been to have had a spare neon bulb on hand
[16:50:33] <pfred1> I got to admit that LED indicator is beautiful today
[16:51:00] <pfred1> even if it does dissipate 2 watts when it runs
[17:14:00] <pfred1> heh I found a picture of the parts that run that LED indicator lamp it is the square ceramic resistor on the perfboard on the left http://i.imgur.com/uB4rl.jpg
[17:14:51] <pfred1> I made that barrier strip out of phenolic board on my milling machine too I think it came out OK
[17:15:33] <pfred1> custom!
[17:32:43] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Thinking this one might amuse you: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jxxHT-dOv4#
[17:34:06] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Well, only in a "YOUR SO STUPID" sorta way =)
[17:34:34] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: or proof that he's a DUMBASS
[17:35:13] <FinboySlick> Needed a bit more backward momentum there champ.
[17:37:19] <pfred1> brain freeze
[17:49:28] <tjb1> Shooting just happened 1 block away from where I live at school
[17:55:00] <pfred1> people haven't been shooting too much here lately
[17:55:10] <pfred1> I don't know if it is just the season or what
[17:55:31] <FinboySlick> tjb1: Another school shooting you mean?
[17:55:39] <pfred1> I know Joe has been making noises about gun control lately
[17:55:40] <jdh> I haven't shot anyone this season.
[17:56:04] <pfred1> he's been out of the county in Washington too long I think
[17:56:43] <pfred1> come to think about it I can't even remember any festive gunfire on new years
[17:56:56] <pfred1> I might have been knocked out on painkillers though
[18:02:38] <ReadError> any solidworks users here?
[18:03:11] <FinboySlick> ReadError: Me.
[18:03:16] <tjb1> No, its in the neighborhood around the college
[18:03:30] <tjb1> Its a bad neighborhood
[18:03:36] <tjb1> Happens about 2-3 times a year
[18:04:29] <pfred1> we shoot all the time by me
[18:05:02] <pfred1> pop density is less than 40 per square mile so you're not likely to hit anyone
[18:05:26] <andypugh> It was 80 per square mile, but you know....
[18:05:35] <pfred1> if I shoot to the west a bullet will hit the ground before it hits naytyhing manmade
[18:05:50] <pfred1> there is nothing for miles in that direction
[18:06:39] <pfred1> heck I probably couldn't get a bullet off my property in level flight
[18:06:53] <pfred1> too many trees
[18:07:44] <pfred1> this is my backyard http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8292/p2200017.jpg
[18:08:04] <pfred1> a little of it
[18:11:53] <jdh> is that a shallow unmarked grave on the left?
[18:12:11] <pfred1> jdh I got places i can bury people
[18:12:58] <pfred1> I finally made it to the northwest corner of my property last year
[18:13:15] <pfred1> just to see what was going on you know?
[18:13:49] <ReadError> FinboySlick
[18:13:56] <ReadError> any idea how i can remove facets from a model?
[18:14:12] <FinboySlick> ReadError: Facets as in turn a cube into a box?
[18:14:31] <ReadError> no, its a circle but has a bunch of little line segments
[18:14:37] <pfred1> that would be dimensions wouldn't it?
[18:15:02] <FinboySlick> ReadError: I think I'm going to need a screenshot...
[18:15:18] <FinboySlick> You defined it as a circle, but it looks all blocky?
[18:15:24] <ReadError> yea
[18:15:43] <FinboySlick> Oh, that's just display optimization. Go to the performance tab for the file.
[18:15:53] <ReadError> i tried changing that
[18:15:55] <pfred1> sometimes grid resolution can cause that in some apps
[18:16:03] <ReadError> but even when i export, its still facet'd
[18:16:08] <ReadError> screen shooting 1sec
[18:16:11] <FinboySlick> What do you export to?
[18:16:18] <cpresser> ReadError: export to DXF?
[18:16:44] <ReadError> igs
[18:16:50] * cpresser usually uses eps since with DXF most of the times circles are broken down into lines
[18:17:27] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/hN5Xz.png
[18:17:50] <FinboySlick> ReadError: I'm not that good with igs... It should be able to handle curves though.
[18:18:02] <pfred1> maybe you need to convert to an arc?
[18:18:28] <FinboySlick> ReadError: Is that screenshot of the imported igs model, or of the actual solidworks model?
[18:18:41] <ReadError> actual solidworks
[18:18:48] <ReadError> its being exported that way as well
[18:18:57] <FinboySlick> ReadError: That's display optimization. The model itself is a smooth curve.
[18:19:19] <FinboySlick> Are you in an assembly?
[18:19:29] <ReadError> part
[18:19:43] <FinboySlick> It can be tricky to *change* the display optimization of a part once it is created.
[18:20:07] <FinboySlick> This is a relatively simple model, try jacking the quality up before you build anything, see if it helps.
[18:20:25] <FinboySlick> I'm not on windows right now so I can't guide you step by step.
[18:20:29] <ReadError> well i saved the 2d
[18:20:37] <ReadError> maybe that would preserve the real geometry
[18:21:00] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/tFE41.png
[18:21:06] <ReadError> thats a gcode output screenshot
[18:21:12] <ReadError> its going in to that for some reason too
[18:21:54] <FinboySlick> Hmm.
[18:22:07] <FinboySlick> What version, 2012?
[18:22:12] <ReadError> 2011
[18:23:56] <FinboySlick> Lemme boot to windows and see if I can figure something out for you.
[18:24:17] <ReadError> thanks im so close, want to dig in to this aluminum tonight
[18:28:10] <FinboySlick> Oh boy... I don't think this windows install booted in over 8 months.
[18:28:18] <FinboySlick> I'm getting assaulted by windows update.
[18:28:32] <ReadError> im always scared to reboot my windows machine, afraid it wont come back u p
[18:28:34] <Valen> lol
[18:28:41] <ReadError> do you have 2011 or later FinboySlick?
[18:28:59] <FinboySlick> ReadError: Apparently I hadn't updated this box so yeah, it's 2011.
[18:29:09] <pfred1> ReadError I never knew Windows was known for its uptimes
[18:29:19] <ReadError> Windows7 Uptime: 2wks 6days 5hrs 8mins 20secs Best: 9wks 4days 12hrs 10mins 14secs
[18:29:23] <FinboySlick> ReadError: But I don't think the fact that you get jaggies in your gcode has anything to do with your model resolution.
[18:29:25] <ReadError> she had a good run
[18:30:09] <FinboySlick> ReadError: You want to toss me that file?
[18:30:22] <ReadError> yessir uploading now
[18:30:36] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/76016256/AluminumArm5.zip
[18:30:42] <pfred1> 19:22:42 up 19 days, 22:38, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.00
[18:30:55] <ReadError> the one without _3D is the 2d, i always save em for some reason
[18:31:50] <FinboySlick> ReadError: you mean the base sketch?
[18:32:02] <ReadError> yea
[18:32:07] <ReadError> pre-extruded
[18:32:14] <pfred1> ReadError my all time high was something like 105 days before a CPU fan went out on me
[18:32:45] <FinboySlick> ReadError: I think I know why you get segmented curves on that big circle.
[18:32:48] <FinboySlick> It's a fairly long part.
[18:33:20] <ReadError> is there any way to fix it?
[18:34:15] <FinboySlick> ReadError: Yes, but that isn't what your problem is.
[18:35:05] <FinboySlick> The display is segmented but the part itself is a smooth curve. I think this has to do with your g-code generator.
[18:36:59] <ReadError> hm
[18:38:17] <ReadError> maybe theres a way to export the igs better
[18:38:50] <FinboySlick> your gcode generator takes igs as input?
[18:38:59] <ReadError> yea
[18:39:10] <Valen> make sure you export as curves or splines
[18:39:32] <ReadError> ooo i think i may have fixed it
[18:39:35] <ReadError> lets see
[18:42:02] <ReadError> actually it seems like the wireframe portion is doing it
[18:42:14] <ReadError> the actual mesh or physical part of the model is true
[18:43:12] <FinboySlick> ReadError: You mean in igs?
[18:43:16] <ReadError> yea
[18:43:24] <ReadError> or in my CAM software
[18:43:41] <FinboySlick> OK.
[18:43:50] <FinboySlick> I was pretty surprised too.
[18:44:04] <ReadError> igs seems to have a bunch of options for export
[18:44:14] <FinboySlick> I can just imagine Jet turbines designed with Solidworks being machined with staggered curves ;)
[18:45:48] <FinboySlick> ReadError: Look into hsmworks.
[18:46:01] <FinboySlick> ReadError: It's a brilliant way to get your gcode out of solidworks.
[18:47:23] <ReadError> let me give it a look
[18:48:46] <pfred1> it is too bad Linux doesn't have any decent CAD software
[18:49:02] <Valen> rhino sorta kinda works under wine
[18:49:08] <FinboySlick> pfred1: The only thing we have to work with is OpenCASCADE, it's a bloated monster.
[18:49:15] <pfred1> if it isn't native it isn't LInux
[18:49:41] <pfred1> FOSS is a plus too
[18:49:45] <FinboySlick> It's a very powerful bloated monster, but it's been dragged for almost 10 years now.
[18:49:58] <FinboySlick> If not 15.
[18:50:17] <FinboySlick> A new solid modeling library would do wonders.
[18:50:59] <FinboySlick> Sketch, extrusions, fillets, lofts, etc.
[18:58:49] <r00t4rd3d> sketchup pro runs great on linux :D
[18:59:46] <r00t4rd3d> noting beats Windows and Aspire though.
[19:01:09] <FinboySlick> Aspire?
[19:01:24] <FinboySlick> But that's just a 2D to 3D conversion suite, no?
[19:01:36] <r00t4rd3d> no
[19:01:59] <r00t4rd3d> you can model in it too
[19:02:34] <ReadError> oh nice
[19:02:38] <ReadError> i finally got a good export
[19:03:23] <FinboySlick> OK, feeling dirty, I'm moving off windows.
[19:03:30] <ReadError> thanks for the help sir
[19:03:43] <pfred1> filthy Windows
[19:04:14] <ReadError> i work with linux all day
[19:04:21] <ReadError> but dont think i would ever run it as a desktop ;/
[19:04:30] <pfred1> I've been all Linux since 1997
[19:04:56] <jdh> c'mon... 2013 is the year of linux on the desktop
[19:05:12] <pfred1> jdh for me it is going to be just another year
[19:05:38] <pfred1> I got this box setup super sweet
[19:05:52] <jdh> I did linux only from about 97 for 6 or 8 years
[19:06:20] <jdh> or mostly only... had to keep a winbox for remote work stuff
[19:08:52] <r00t4rd3d> newbs
[19:10:00] <jdh> c'mon, I got punch cards older than you
[19:10:29] <pfred1> I junked a punch card reader out of AT&T that blew my mind
[19:10:57] <Jymmm> jdh: but do you have a woeking reader is the question
[19:11:05] <pfred1> it was so massive they actually walled it off and let it sit idle for over 25 years
[19:11:43] <pfred1> they couldn't figure out how to move it
[19:12:37] <ReadError> im excited about this aluminum
[19:12:45] <ReadError> this is one of my more complex jobs so far
[19:12:46] <pfred1> why?
[19:12:48] <jdh> did you try the miter saw?
[19:12:48] <Jymmm> one torched piece at a time
[19:12:52] <AR_> i get boners about aluminum all the time
[19:12:57] <ReadError> jdh: i just got the 1 piece cut so far
[19:13:02] <ReadError> ill do more later
[19:13:04] <AR_> did you use a dremel
[19:13:05] <AR_> ?
[19:13:08] <ReadError> hell no
[19:13:13] <ReadError> thats the worst idea ever :)
[19:13:18] <ReadError> its 1/4" thick
[19:13:23] <pfred1> Jymmm this punch card reader was made out of a million tiny parts
[19:13:41] <AR_> i spent about 45 minutes today cutting a 5/8" hardened steel shaft with a dremel
[19:13:53] <AR_> it was awesome
[19:13:55] <ReadError> why not an angle grinder ?
[19:13:56] <pfred1> I have a 14" chop saw for that
[19:14:09] <AR_> because i didnt want to take off a lot of material
[19:14:15] <AR_> and i dont have a chop saw
[19:14:22] <ReadError> hack saw?
[19:14:27] <AR_> are you kidding
[19:14:28] <Jymmm> chain saw
[19:14:44] <AR_> honestly i thought this shaft was just case hardened
[19:14:55] <AR_> cut like 1/4" into it with dremel first
[19:14:59] <AR_> then tried hacksaw
[19:15:10] <AR_> hacksaw didnt leave a scratch
[19:15:23] <Jymmm> angle grinder
[19:15:34] <pfred1> Milwaukee makes they cryrogenically heat treated blades that are amazing
[19:15:52] <AR_> so i just used the dremel till i got it down to under 1/4" diameter
[19:15:55] <AR_> then snapped it
[19:15:56] <pfred1> they cut hard steel though perhaps not hardened
[19:17:12] <pfred1> I had some hard alloy square tubing that was just killing other blades those cryro ones went through it like butter
[19:20:23] <pfred1> they make carbide grit hacksaw blades that can cut through glass
[19:20:42] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/0Ene3.png
[19:20:45] <ReadError> this is much better
[19:21:27] <pfred1> I know what that is, what is that?
[19:21:47] <pfred1> it is a really out of balance lathe face plate right?
[19:21:51] <Valen> We have CnC cut glass with a diamond burr
[19:22:02] <Valen> made gears with it
[19:22:06] <ReadError> pfred1: its a quad rotor arm
[19:22:11] <ReadError> holds a motor/prop
[19:22:16] <ReadError> cutting it in that 1/4" aluminum
[19:23:00] <pfred1> industrial diamonds are pretty cool
[19:23:58] <AR_> the machine shop I worked at pretty much only used diamond plated tooling
[19:24:06] <pfred1> in the machine shop I worled in whenever we had to drill a hole in carbide we'd use an EDM sinker machine
[19:24:54] <pfred1> I hear good razor blades today are diamond plated
[19:25:17] <pfred1> which is why honing them really doesn't work :)
[19:26:30] <pfred1> ReadError how come you're not making your part out of carbon fiber?
[19:29:48] <Tom_itx> how do you diamond plate something?
[19:30:16] <pfred1> Tom_itx I don't I buy things diamond plated
[19:31:37] <ReadError> pfred1: cf is really expensive
[19:31:41] <pfred1> there are obviously industrial processess that accomplish the task though
[19:32:07] <Tom_itx> google results in aluminum with a diamond pattern on one side
[19:32:21] <Tom_itx> i've never heard of it
[19:33:05] <Tom_itx> carbon coating
[19:33:06] <pfred1> ReadError I've heard that prices haven't dropped any yet?
[19:33:15] <Tom_itx> http://www.diamondcoating.net/
[19:33:25] <Tom_itx> diamond like
[19:33:55] <Tom_itx> graphite
[19:33:59] <pfred1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age
[19:37:38] <Valen> I was thinking of making some torches and getting them coated in that stuff
[19:41:03] <pfred1> torches?
[19:42:33] <Valen> pocket torch
[19:42:37] <Valen> for lighting up dark areas
[19:42:45] <pfred1> oh I thought so
[19:42:52] <pfred1> we call those flashlights here
[19:46:49] <ReadError> pfred1: the prices on CF?
[19:47:04] <ReadError> the last sheet i got was $52 for 12x12" 1/16th thick
[19:47:32] <pfred1> when was that?
[19:48:02] <pfred1> aluminum has such poor mechanical properties I hate the stuff
[19:48:52] <jdh> yeah, you should replace it all with titanium
[19:50:07] <Valen> I do wonder how DLC would go over stainless in the environment of a pocket
[19:50:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/mdoPg
[19:50:53] <Jymmm> cradek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DovunOxlY1k
[19:50:57] <Valen> pretty
[19:51:18] <Valen> lazor engraving r00t4rd3d?
[19:51:27] <r00t4rd3d> i didnt make it
[19:51:38] <r00t4rd3d> but yeah , laser and inlay
[19:51:53] <Jymmm> I'd like to find that inlay
[19:51:57] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.reddit.com/r/woodworking/comments/167g56/laser_etched_inlaid_monopoly_xpost_from_rpics/
[19:53:42] <Jymmm> OH! I know what that inlay is!!!!
[20:49:12] <t12> ~~~~~~
[21:27:26] <Gene456> Can someone tell me what the largest cutter size would be milling aluminum on a grizzle 704?
[21:28:33] <tjb1> you can calculate that
[21:28:50] <Gene456> whoots... wrong irc channel
[21:29:14] <L84Supper> is there a Grizzly channel?
[21:29:23] <Gene456> diycnc
[21:29:41] <jdh> the specs are on teh g0704 page on teh grizzly site
[21:29:53] <Gene456> well, then again that might be the channel for a combo 3d printer and a cnc router
[21:31:07] <L84Supper> this channel is more Linuxcnc users and devs, machinists, mechanical and electrical engineers
[21:32:08] <Gene456> acrobat reader will not load on this pig...
[21:34:25] <Gene456> From what I can see on cnczone, the g0704 can be made into a cheap cnc machine
[21:34:56] <Gene456> with high accuracy
[21:37:42] <jdh> I have one. As does Connor
[21:38:14] <Gene456> are you happy with it?
[21:38:44] <Gene456> if you could do it again, would you have gone with a bigger setup?
[21:39:00] <jdh> it's a big, little mill.
[21:39:09] <jdh> no room for a 'real' one.
[21:40:13] <jdh> I have no complaints about mine.
[21:40:39] <jdh> I did end up with 0.002" backlash on Y and Z, about 0.001 on X
[21:41:11] <Gene456> pretty good tollerances in my book, no problem with a 1/4 endmill for aluminum?
[21:41:29] <jdh> nah, it zips through that pretty fast
[21:41:52] <Gene456> 1/2 end mill?
[21:42:23] <jdh> I've used up to 3/4 plain end mills. 2.5" face mill
[21:42:42] <Gene456> some chatter?
[21:42:55] <jdh> nope
[21:43:14] <Gene456> awesome! that is what I wanted to know. Many thanks!
[21:43:25] <jdh> the face miill does beautiful cuts
[21:43:46] <jdh> Hoss has some youtube videos cutting stainless with 1/2" endmill
[21:44:47] <Gene456> I saw that... just hard for me to assess... the chips looked a little funny, then again I have never machined stainless
[21:45:02] <jdh> he wasn't going for quality
[21:45:59] <Connor> Gene456: I'm happy happy happy with it... (okay, been watching too many Duck Dynasty episodes...)
[21:48:13] <Gene456> I must ask the question again, if floor space wasnt a problem, would you do it again with a bigger setup?
[21:49:00] <jdh> major price difference for something worthwhile bigger
[21:49:49] <Gene456> and the next setup would be?
[21:50:08] <jdh> I have maybe $1700 in mine (mill, motors, drives, ball-screws, etc)
[21:50:39] <AR_> is the Enco website down for anyone else?
[21:50:42] <Connor> Wasn't just floor space that dictated it the decission. Price had allot to do with it.
[21:50:59] <Connor> RF45 would be nice..
[21:51:04] <jdh> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRHM
[21:51:18] <jdh> rf45 would be nice, but only quill
[21:51:20] <AR_> jdh, yeah i get a 500 error
[21:51:21] <AR_> wtf
[21:51:36] <Connor> No Z ?
[21:51:38] <AR_> oh wait
[21:51:39] <Connor> I thought they had Z?
[21:51:40] <AR_> it's just my browser
[21:52:10] <Connor> If money wasn't a object.. Probably would have went with a Tormach 1100
[21:52:14] <Gene456> are people getting similar tolerances from the RF45 clones
[21:52:16] <jdh> connor: I thought they were all round column
[21:52:21] <jdh> but, coudl be wrong.
[21:52:55] <Connor> http://www.leadermachinerysales.com/MILL_DRILLS.html
[21:53:43] <jdh> looks square
[21:54:54] <Connor> But, for what I do, the G0704 is perfect size. Robot parts and small hobby stuff.
[21:54:58] <Connor> price was right too...
[21:55:04] <Gene456> what is the cost to make xy cnc on an RF45
[21:55:04] <Connor> and not too bad $$ to convert.
[21:55:37] <Connor> With the 45's you could easily get into 2k just for drivers and servers/steppers.
[21:55:43] <Connor> or more.
[21:55:49] <Jymmm> 5-15P NEMA to power pole... CHECK!
[21:56:00] <Gene456> and the cost to cnc the G0704?
[21:56:17] <Connor> (10:38:42 PM) jdh: I have maybe $1700 in mine (mill, motors, drives, ball-screws, etc)
[21:56:26] <Connor> little more now cause the price went up.
[21:56:37] <Gene456> 3axis cnc or 2axis cnc
[21:56:45] <Connor> 3axis.
[21:57:01] <jdh> $200 for chinese ballscrews, $150 for motors, $150 drivers, $200 misc stock/wires/etc
[21:57:21] <Connor> Though, I did run mine 2 Axis for long enough to make a spanner so I could do the Z
[21:57:22] <Gene456> is Hoss's guide the best way to go, or are there other options out there I should research
[21:57:37] <Connor> You can buy the mounts off of ebay from Billy...
[21:57:41] <jdh> mine is mostly hoss
[21:57:56] <jdh> his mounts are pricey vs. $15ish for stock
[21:57:57] <Connor> But, frankly. I think doing your own mounts is a good way to go if you've never done machine work.
[21:58:34] <Connor> Oh, Support, G0704 has much larger following..
[21:59:07] <Connor> A Few 45's, but, it's mostly dominated by 704's with some X2's and X3's in the mix. (on cnczone forum anyway)
[21:59:22] <Connor> Most use Mach, you'll find a few who do LinuxCNC like me and jdh
[21:59:24] <jdh> I got a good deal on an x2 I was going to convert, but ended up selling it
[21:59:44] <Connor> jdh: You did sell your X2?
[21:59:51] <Connor> I thought you still had it..
[22:00:10] <jdh> yeah, paid $200, had it for a year, used it for the saddle, sold it for $450?
[22:00:25] <Connor> Gene456: What are you looking to use it for.
[22:00:46] <Gene456> aluminum machining for other tools
[22:00:59] <Connor> Yea.. I have a X/Y table I can use on the base so I can machine my Saddle. Not sure about the oil groves though.
[22:01:04] <jdh> depending on size, anything from a taig up would work
[22:01:28] <Connor> Gene456: You'll probably want to upgrade the motor to a Tredmill motor for more RPM. That's a more advanced upgrade.. I'm doing that now..
[22:02:02] <Gene456> can you provide a link for part procurement etc?
[22:02:17] <Connor> jdh: I think I'm going to install the spindle this weekend and try to finish up the PDB
[22:02:22] <jdh> cool
[22:02:24] <Connor> Yea. Motors.. get this package..
[22:02:34] <jdh> Gene: buy the dvd from hoss. Complete parts list for everything
[22:02:55] <Connor> one sec. http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/stepper-nema23-3-axis-kits
[22:04:05] <Connor> Go with th3 3 x 570oz-in package, or the 2 x 570oz-in + 1x906oz-in (for Z)
[22:04:29] <jdh> I'm still happy with my 3 570's
[22:04:40] <jdh> I'd spend a little more on drives than I did.
[22:04:42] <Connor> You can also upgrade to all digital drivers which area bit more $$$
[22:04:47] <jdh> want to buy 3 drives :)
[22:05:20] <Connor> Use Linearmotionbearing2008 ball screws. Not the Roton's
[22:05:36] <Gene456> I take it the gecko setup was not your first option?
[22:05:38] <jdh> $199 shipped
[22:05:55] <Connor> G540 ?
[22:05:59] <jdh> g540 isn't sufficient IMO
[22:06:23] <Connor> no. and the individual drivers aren't much better than the Kellings...
[22:06:57] <Connor> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/stepper-nema23-3-axis-kits/cnc-stepper-motor-3-axis-kit-1
[22:06:58] <jdh> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/g0704-kit/cnc-stepper-motor-3-axis-kit-5
[22:07:00] <Connor> that's the exact kit I got.
[22:07:24] <jdh> those are digital
[22:08:04] <jdh> my motors/drivers were $314
[22:08:37] <Gene456> I have invested some into mesa, and a intel-510, can you provide more guidance for linuxCNC
[22:08:39] <jdh> I'd like to have those tiny digital drives now though
[22:08:40] <Connor> They changed them... They upped they kits to 5056D's
[22:08:48] <Connor> Mine was only 5056's
[22:08:57] <jdh> mine are KL-6050
[22:09:16] <jdh> gene: ooops... I forgot about the mesa cards in my price
[22:10:29] <jdh> I'm using a 7i43 I bought a while back.
[22:10:38] <Connor> 510 ? Not the 525 ?
[22:10:58] <jdh> you don't have much invested in a 510 :)
[22:11:08] <Gene456> I purchased a 510 right when the 525s were released
[22:11:25] <Connor> Ah.. I think my Router uses a 510. Using the 525 on the G0704.
[22:11:36] <Gene456> so... which one has less latenency now that both are out
[22:11:40] <Connor> Download and burn the LiveCD 2.5.x version. and install it.
[22:11:47] <Connor> About the same.
[22:11:57] <jdh> neither. and they work fine with mesa anyway
[22:12:04] <Connor> I think the diff is 525 is Dual core, and 510 is single ?
[22:12:13] <Gene456> sec
[22:12:19] <jdh> yeah
[22:12:37] <Connor> or, the 510 is just a bit slower.. 1.6 vs 1.8
[22:13:05] <Connor> 2 cores, just 1.6 vs 1.8
[22:13:53] <jdh> the prior series was single core?
[22:14:02] <Connor> and with Mesa, you'll have 0 issues with latency.
[22:14:09] <Connor> I dunno.. let me check mine.. brb
[22:15:10] <Gene456> here is my rise..... and fall.... http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/25904-diy-shapeoko-cnc-router-350
[22:16:02] <Connor> fall ?
[22:16:16] <Connor> what happened ?
[22:16:24] <Gene456> its in the thread...
[22:16:42] <Gene456> looks like I will have to purchase a 7i43
[22:16:51] <jdh> I wouldn't
[22:17:29] <jdh> I think I would have done a g540 and p-port for that router
[22:17:37] <Connor> 5i25 + 7i76
[22:17:49] <jdh> overkill for that
[22:18:14] <Connor> No, for his g0704
[22:18:25] <Connor> yea. for that router.. G540 + parport would be fine.
[22:19:37] <Gene456> I would rather machine aluminum that thin board stock... do I need 7i43, or do you recommend it over wiring up the printer port
[22:20:10] <Connor> For that machine your talking about in that thread?
[22:20:10] <jdh> either would work fine.
[22:20:25] <jdh> but, I'd pick a 5i25 over a 7i43 probably
[22:20:57] <Gene456> I am no longer interested in the shapeoko since the G0704 is a cheap option also
[22:21:26] <Connor> okay.. yea.. then 5i25 + 7i76 kit.
[22:21:41] <Connor> or you can do parport with a Break-out-Board (which is what I'm currently doing)
[22:21:47] <jdh> that, that digi driver kit above
[22:22:09] <ReadError> so im cutting right now
[22:22:10] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2009%2C%2011%2002%2053%20PM.jpg
[22:22:17] <ReadError> am i going the wrong way?
[22:22:23] <ReadError> seems swirly but feels smooth
[22:22:26] <Connor> jdh: No need for that 900oz-in on Z though...
[22:22:37] <jdh> no, but it looks cool and big!
[22:22:53] <t12> readerror: whats the tool
[22:23:19] <Connor> he can have them customize that kit and do 540 Oz-i all away around and put that $$ into the mesa combo
[22:23:43] <jdh> I like my belt drive Z
[22:23:46] <Connor> err. 570
[22:23:47] <Connor> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/stepper-nema23-3-axis-kits/cnc-stepper-motor-3-axis-kit-1
[22:23:54] <jdh> I'd like the rear mount belt Y also I think.
[22:23:57] <Connor> that one is digital too.. the dropped the non digital one.
[22:24:04] <ReadError> 1/8" 2 flute carbide
[22:24:05] <Gene456> Im assuming the 900oz-in might be of more value when a second spindle gets mounted though... correct
[22:24:10] <ReadError> i think i might be cutting too shallow ?
[22:24:31] <Connor> jdh: I was going to do rear mount.. but, no point, the enclosure is going to extend out far enough in front that it'll be past the front stepper.
[22:25:16] <Connor> Gene456: Hoss has his with a 5th axis on it running the 570's without issue.. Now, he said he might need to upgrade when he goes up to a 56C 3 Phase frame spindle motor... but Geez...
[22:25:21] <t12> thats what my hsmworks cuts look like with too much tool deflection
[22:25:34] <t12> hsmworks spiraly cuts i mean
[22:25:58] <Connor> I can do 70 IPM on my Z and I'm still using Stock screws. Direct Drive, no belts
[22:26:35] <Connor> I did phase 1 conversion because I was cheap and wanted to get up and running faster. :)
[22:26:50] <ReadError> tool deflection?
[22:27:08] <jdh> Read: you don't like the bottom finish?
[22:27:09] <t12> when the tool runs into the metal
[22:27:11] <t12> it bends over a little
[22:27:17] <t12> then one edge cuts deeper
[22:27:22] <Connor> ReadError: Tool bends away from edge..
[22:27:45] <Gene456> please share why you like the 5i25+7i43 over the 7i43
[22:28:19] <jdh> pci vs. p-port.
[22:28:35] <Connor> 5i25 is PCI.. 7i43 is parport driven.
[22:28:42] <ReadError> jdh, i just wanted it to look mirror smooth
[22:28:45] <jdh> really doesn't make much difference though
[22:28:49] <ReadError> im doing a 25% tool stepover
[22:28:54] <jdh> are you trammed?
[22:29:11] <Gene456> both are good answers! Many thanks! Hmmmm and your source for ballscrews?
[22:29:27] <Connor> If you use the 5i25+7i76, you can still use the onboard Par-port for input-output too.
[22:29:41] <jdh> lmb, chinese seller, info on the hoss g0704 pages
[22:29:46] <t12> i think with that cut you can tell if its tool deflection or tram by seeing which way the ridges are
[22:29:53] <Connor> LinearMotionBearins2008, on ebay
[22:29:53] <ReadError> jdh, i have not trammed anything
[22:29:56] <jdh> I sent him the ballscrew drawings, he sent me ball screws & nuts
[22:30:00] <t12> if they all staircase in one direction, its tram, if they staircase to the center, it'd be deflection
[22:30:24] <ReadError> ill wait till its done then get some better pics
[22:30:25] <Connor> http://www.g0704.com/
[22:30:41] <t12> what doc and chip load?
[22:31:03] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop_machines/130097-connors_g0704.html
[22:31:07] <Connor> my build thread.
[22:31:18] <Gene456> does grizzle ever have sales, not including discontinued stock
[22:31:35] <ReadError> doc ?
[22:31:44] <t12> depth of cut
[22:31:45] <Connor> Sometimes...
[22:32:10] <Connor> I haven't seen one in a while.. and if they did.. probably would have been right before the new year.
[22:32:16] <jdh> I used a 5% off coupon for mine
[22:32:21] <ReadError> im doing 8.7 for inch per minute
[22:32:23] <Connor> if you want a g0704, go ahead and get on order.. they're usually on back order.
[22:32:29] <Connor> though, they may be better now.
[22:32:29] <ReadError> ~0.06 DOC
[22:33:31] <jdh> 1/4" bits give me a much better cut than 1/8"
[22:33:44] <jdh> and 1/2" does even better
[22:33:51] <Connor> I like 3/8" :)
[22:33:51] <t12> also try a finishing pass and see what you see
[22:35:37] <jdh> I have several sizes with 3/8" shanks. Nice to leave one collet in
[22:36:04] <t12> i wonder if i should self torture
[22:36:04] <Connor> I love TTS.. Can't wait to get my Power Draw Bar finished...
[22:36:09] <t12> and trying to build a mill from scratch
[22:36:26] <jdh> connor: someday, I'll try turning some down.
[22:36:35] <jdh> I got the r8 3-jaw chuck
[22:37:12] <Connor> Cool. After PDB, and enclosure... Next project will be a 4th axis spindle, hopefully with 5C spindle.
[22:37:12] <jdh> and a tiny boring bar for the tool side of the holder concentric
[22:38:11] <jdh> but...not this w/e :(
[22:38:34] <ReadError> now i want a grizzly too
[22:38:36] <ReadError> ;(
[22:38:50] <Connor> I want a laser cutter.
[22:38:54] <jdh> me too
[22:38:57] <ReadError> i want a router also
[22:38:58] <jdh> and a 3d printer
[22:39:15] <ReadError> i would be blind after 3 days with a laser cutter
[22:39:16] <jdh> and world peace
[22:39:20] <Connor> I though about buying a tube and retrofitting my router.. but.. I don't think it's good enough..
[22:39:25] <ReadError> jdh, 3d printers are fun
[22:39:31] <ReadError> i built my own recently
[22:39:38] <Connor> I need to upgrade my cupcake..
[22:39:49] <Connor> still running with a DC motor based extruder.
[22:40:13] <Connor> Original idea for my router was for it to be a combo 3d printer / router
[22:40:29] <Connor> but, I never got around to doing the 3d printer part of it.
[22:41:02] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc_router_table_machines/116786-diy_mdf_cnc_router.html
[22:41:04] <Connor> thread for it.
[22:41:09] <ReadError> my tripod mounted vacuum system is working pretty good
[22:41:23] <L84Supper> laser cutter 3d printer combo
[22:41:57] <ReadError> i want to build a TK-0
[22:42:03] <ReadError> pretty decent sized printing area
[22:42:04] <Connor> Aligning the optics every time would be a pain in the ass..
[22:42:25] <ReadError> what if you had 2 z axis
[22:42:27] <ReadError> did the laser on 1
[22:42:31] <ReadError> and extruder on the other side
[22:42:36] <ReadError> like opposite sides of the gantry
[22:43:15] <Connor> not on my router. no room on the rear of the gantry.. it goes up against the enclosure.
[22:44:59] <L84Supper> one laser for cutting and sintering, another laser UV curing
[22:45:33] <L84Supper> extruders are slow and low res
[22:45:37] <Gene456> Time to go, thanks jdh and conner............................. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3RBSkq-_St8#!
[22:46:50] <t12> anyone here ever worked with taigs?
[22:48:26] <ReadError> t12, using one now
[22:48:31] <ReadError> but im a noob so...
[22:48:46] <t12> i've never seen one in person
[22:48:55] <ReadError> they are pretty solid
[22:48:58] <ReadError> im happy with mine
[22:49:06] <t12> the bed is anodized alum?
[22:49:08] <ReadError> i never trammed it or anything i just put it gether
[22:49:11] <ReadError> together*
[22:49:17] <ReadError> yea im pretty sure
[22:49:25] <ReadError> or steel not sure
[22:49:27] <ReadError> let me get my megnet
[22:49:45] <ReadError> yea must be aluminum
[22:50:01] <ReadError> its pretty strong though, or atleast it feels that way
[22:50:29] <t12> i dont have enough expirence to really know
[22:50:33] <t12> what kind of bed size i want
[22:50:38] <t12> worried that the taig is too small
[22:51:01] <t12> i'm stuck with a pretty small envelope of what i can actually get into my workspace
[22:51:14] <ReadError> well its decent sized for what i do
[22:51:27] <ReadError> depends what you are making i suppose
[22:51:37] <t12> i'm mainly messing around
[22:51:44] <t12> otherwise i'd have a real spec i guess heh
[23:16:37] <frysteev> hmm i need some analog inputs now
[23:29:23] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2010%2C%2012%2010%2035%20AM.jpg
[23:29:30] <ReadError> cut that backwards
[23:29:33] <ReadError> poor finish
[23:29:43] <Connor> What is that for ?
[23:30:40] <ReadError> quadrotor arm
[23:30:51] <ReadError> i always get mixed up climb vs. conventional
[23:30:55] <ReadError> i need to keep notes
[23:32:30] <Connor> When doing profiles.. I don't think it makes a big diff.. because, one way, it climb.. as it goes around, it turns to conventional.
[23:33:02] <Connor> unless you code the paths so they don't...
[23:33:16] <Connor> I've never understood how you deal with that with CNC...
[23:33:41] <ReadError> well i know 1 way gives me good edges if im cutting inside
[23:33:48] <ReadError> and the other way gives me good if i cut the outside
[23:33:54] <ReadError> and i forget which is which
[23:34:13] <Connor> but, what about the other side.. does it not get worse ?
[23:34:48] <ReadError> well its a closed loop
[23:34:56] <ReadError> i mean the direction of the cut with the rotation
[23:35:02] <ReadError> how the teeth enter the metal
[23:35:16] <Connor> Right, but, in a closed loop... you change direction...
[23:35:52] <ReadError> yea but the teeth still engage the metal the same way dont they ?
[23:37:09] <Connor> Heck, I don't know.. it's late.. and I can't think straight.. :)
[23:37:16] <ReadError> ditto
[23:37:22] <ReadError> maybe we are confusing eachother