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[00:00:00] <ssi> it's a running lathe minus the current broken
[00:00:06] <Jymmm> then ghetto it =)
[00:00:09] <ssi> I'm trying to get it back running so I can do a job that I bought metal for
[00:00:28] <Jymmm> ssi: You must become one with MAcGyver
[00:00:32] <ssi> oh believe me I'd ghetto it if I could, but I don't have a good way to
[00:00:40] <Jymmm> ah
[00:00:45] <ssi> about the only ghetto option I have right now is fuck the turret and run it as a gang tool machine
[00:00:49] <ssi> which is a terrible idea
[00:01:42] <Jymmm> ssi: Well, get the current job done any way you can to get it off your mind, then walk away and come up with a practical solution
[00:02:04] <ssi> I don't really have a good way to get the current job done without fixing the lathe
[00:02:14] <ssi> or else I would have already
[00:02:26] <Jymmm> ssi: I say that becasue the next broken thing comes along and you'll be back at this again.
[00:03:49] <Jymmm> ssi: Well, good luck either way
[00:04:20] <ssi> right now I'm up against trying to decipher the pneumo schematic (which I have fortunately) and figure out how it translates to the valve block
[00:04:31] <ssi> and figure out a way to test the clippard valve that runs the valve block
[00:04:42] <ssi> in order to test it, I feel like I need to disconnect it from the terminal block
[00:04:50] <ssi> which requires either stupid tools or cutting wires and butt splicing
[00:05:18] <ssi> I don't like either option
[00:05:49] <Jymmm> how many conductors?
[00:05:55] <ssi> just 2
[00:06:04] <Jymmm> what?!
[00:06:14] <ssi> not on the whole terminal block
[00:06:20] <ssi> it's a 48 position block I think
[00:06:26] <ssi> but the clippard valve is just two conductor
[00:06:40] <Jymmm> so 48 conductors total?
[00:06:44] <ssi> yes
[00:07:41] <Jymmm> 2x db25
[00:08:21] <Jymmm> ssi: heh, punch down block
[00:08:42] <ssi> that's really not a good idea
[00:09:08] <Jymmm> with a socket on it
http://www.altex.com/Assets/ProductImages/Standard/66m2-2.jpg
[00:09:45] <ssi> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A95IsjRCQAAIRuA.jpg:large
[00:09:51] <ssi> that's on the backside of the carriage, under a cover
[00:10:02] <ssi> that's the resolver and tach behind it
[00:11:02] <ssi> and it's 40, not 48
[00:11:04] <ssi> 20 thru
[00:11:19] <Jymmm> is the plastic amp shell cheap enough?
[00:11:27] <ssi> probably not
[00:11:32] <ssi> and the freakin pins are $5 each
[00:11:48] <Jymmm> Melt/heat the plastic shell
[00:11:53] <ssi> why?
[00:12:17] <Jymmm> dremel it off, then make a useable extension for it
[00:12:18] <ssi> I want to fix this thing, not ensure it never runs again
[00:13:25] <Jymmm> would those pins fit in a db25 shell?
[00:13:30] <ssi> no
[00:13:37] <ssi> they're solid taper pins
[00:14:30] <ssi> you can see the white wire at the top right that I already had to ghettofix by soldering to the pin
[00:14:33] <Jymmm> well, get the $100 tool, then resell it
[00:14:58] <ssi> that's a limit switch signal line
[00:15:30] <ssi> I'm first gonna see if I can actuate the valve with machine power off without removing its pins
[00:15:32] <Jymmm> I'm just replace with db25, especially if there is any chance of ebing more than one-off
[00:16:07] <ssi> some of those actually look like they might be a bit too big to put in a DB pin
[00:16:13] <ssi> DB pins are 20ga max I think
[00:16:18] <ssi> looks like the fat ones on the left might be 18
[00:16:20] <ssi> not sure tho
[00:18:12] <ssi> goin to bed... too pissed to deal with this right now
[02:01:47] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:19:34] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:53:50] <mk0> mnn
[03:51:14] <V0idExp> Hi all!
[03:51:32] <V0idExp> Anyone using 7i43 board? I have a problem after LinuxCNC shutdown
[03:51:46] <V0idExp> It seems that the firmware, after shutdown, pulls-up all pins to HIGH
[03:53:10] <V0idExp> how can I force it to stay down? cause it seems that with HIGH drives are enabled after linuxcnc shutdown, and any electromagnetic disturbs make them move
[03:55:25] <Jymmm> All 7I43 pins are pulled up. Its for compatibility with I/O module racks (which are active low) and because the only pre-configuration option on FPGA pins is pullup or no pullup. This is described in the STARTUP STATE section of the 7I43 manual.
[03:56:22] <V0idExp> So, as I guess, the only way is to set that option in my drives' settings? My drives are programmable via a JTAG port, and they can optionally invert the pin logic
[03:57:03] <Jymmm> no clue, I just googled it
[03:57:40] <V0idExp> Well, I was more interested in how it's done by other linuxcnc users ;)
[03:58:02] <V0idExp> I mean, how their post-shutdown procedure is done
[03:58:40] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.org/dapper/emc2/index.php/russian/forum/27-driver-boards/13592-7i43-input-pull-ups
[03:59:51] <V0idExp> thanks!
[04:00:05] <Jymmm> just google result
[09:27:26] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.boohbah.tv/zone.html
[10:59:30] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iKqpvriKZuA
[11:06:36] <Jymmm> Got Brakes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gng3sPiJdzA&feature=player_detailpage#t=577s
[11:31:12] <JT-Shop> what's the firefox irc chat thingy?
[11:32:26] <cncbasher> JT:chatzilla
[11:32:32] <JT-Shop> thanks
[11:39:11] <fragalot> azerµ
[11:39:22] <fragalot> sorry
[11:39:47] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[11:42:10] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: hello sir, how are you today?
[11:45:57] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: hi its cold outside snow freez berlow 5F
[11:47:07] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: we also have snow and nearly same temp
[11:56:54] <c60> Is there any good resources for DIY dust collection? I'm looking at building a canister and bag type system.
[11:59:18] <IchGuckLive> c60 did you google for picture DIY dust collection
[11:59:28] <IchGuckLive> there are so many nice solutions
[11:59:52] <cpresser> c60: how much dust do you want to collect. and what kind of dust?
[12:01:03] <cpresser> you can get a finished system like this one for less than 200€
http://www.absauganlagetest.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Woodster-DC12-Absauganlage-230-V-550-Watt-Image-1.jpg
[12:08:02] <c60> well we have a planer/shaper molder that came with a blower, but it has no canister or bags, it's got a 4hp motor, thinking two canisters and bags,
[12:14:40] <JT-Shop> IchGuckLive: Bruce_Tamlzn is from Germany and is wanting to build a plasma table
[12:16:40] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: thanks
[12:17:25] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Ls5ta7eg8 was source posted anywhere for this EMC to sam9g45 port?
[12:19:06] <IchGuckLive> Bruce_Tamlzn: ?
[12:26:34] <JT-Shop> IchGuckLive: hang on he has only used the IRC for 5 minutes
[12:28:00] <IchGuckLive> ok
[12:30:04] <Bruce_Tamlzn> Ok I am here
[12:30:17] <JT-Shop> YEA! we are live
[12:30:27] <IchGuckLive> Bruce_Tamlzn: go to querry for germany
[12:30:51] <JT-Shop> Bruce is building a 5 x 10 plasma table and is seeking advice on drives etc.
[12:31:36] * JT-Shop will be right back time to make a sandwitch
[12:32:01] <Bruce_Tamlzn> I inquired about a finished table here in Germany but the proprietary software is only in German
[12:32:02] <cpresser> JT-Shop: i also would take a sandwitch ;)
[12:32:27] <cpresser> Bruce_Tamlzn: please post a link
[12:33:23] <Bruce_Tamlzn> And the table has not DTHC torch height control
[12:36:03] <Bruce_Tamlzn> http://www.ib-weigelt.de/index.php?start.php
[12:40:02] <JT-Shop> if you use a Hypertherm and go with Mesa interface cards the THCAD card is $70 in the US
[12:40:20] <IchGuckLive> this is integreadet into workbench so linuxcnc needt this to go for a userdefined Mcode
[12:41:19] <JT-Shop> so for $300 you have a 5i25 7i77 and thcad, then you need drives and servos, power supply and a computer
[12:41:52] <JT-Shop> and a closed loop servo driven plasma table with torch height control
[12:42:59] <cpresser> Bruce_Tamlzn: unfortunately the website doesnt tell much about the used servos/steppers and controller
[12:43:18] <cpresser> you should ask them about these things first
[12:44:08] <cpresser> if it was my project, i would buy the table including motors+encoders but without the motion controller
[13:08:25] <IchGuckLive> Aero-Tec: did the update work ?
[13:09:34] <IchGuckLive> @all is there a case for the D525
[13:12:37] <IchGuckLive> :D found a solution -> www.mini-tft.de/
[13:13:17] <JT-Shop> IchGuckLive: you help Bruce_Tamlzn out?
[13:13:25] <IchGuckLive> yes
[13:13:30] <JT-Shop> cool
[13:19:15] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTLs89YPtck
[13:22:16] <IchGuckLive> skunkworks: why he needs this
[13:22:26] <skunkworks> wire edm?
[13:23:25] <IchGuckLive> agree
[13:24:21] <JT-Shop> cool
[13:24:56] <IchGuckLive> we need to alk him if he likes to share this and combinate it to Foam=1
[13:29:41] <IchGuckLive> ok im off by till tomorrow
[13:43:08] <skunkworks> if you follow the link - he is actually thinking edm.. He has code snipits.
[13:43:21] <skunkworks> looks hacky but hey
[13:57:51] <skunkworks> JT-Shop, did blackforest get back to you?
[13:58:44] <syyl> blackforest from germany?
[13:58:47] <skunkworks> JT-Shop, did you see -
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/54157-Ethernet-Motion-Controllers/page2?highlight=linuxcnc
[13:58:56] <JT-Shop> he was just on here
[13:59:06] <skunkworks> Really? neat
[13:59:23] <JT-Shop> yea Bruce_Tamlzn
[13:59:33] <skunkworks> oh - ok
[13:59:45] <skunkworks> is he converted? ;)
[13:59:51] <JT-Shop> ichgucklive helped him out
[14:01:50] <skunkworks> Great!
[14:04:18] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/239058
[14:04:34] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/239059
[14:04:50] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/239060
[14:04:53] <JT-Shop> :)
[14:05:39] <skunkworks> very cool!
[14:06:58] <Connor> JT-Shop: What are you using for the water jet head ?
[14:09:22] <JT-Shop> water jet?
[14:09:38] <Connor> Yea, You just buy one, or make it or what ?
[14:09:48] <JT-Shop> what water jet?
[14:10:00] <Connor> http://imagebin.org/239060
[14:10:02] <Tom_itx> the one he thinks you have
[14:10:08] <JT-Shop> thats a plasma jet
[14:10:26] <Connor> That's Plasma? OKay. THought it was water jet.
[14:10:54] * JT-Shop goes to play with the other children
[14:11:01] <alpha1125> JT-Shop where do you source your alu extrusions?
[14:11:04] <skunkworks> Connor - are you this connor?
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/1207984-post817.html
[14:11:24] <Connor> skunkworks: Yes
[14:11:32] <JT-Shop> alpha1125: my supplier handles Frame World
[14:11:49] <alpha1125> is that stuff expensive?
[14:11:54] <Connor> skunkworks: He lives about 30 minutes away from me.
[14:12:27] <Connor> skunkworks: Why? I do something wrong? :)
[14:12:40] <skunkworks> Nice - very cool of you to help him out.
[14:12:47] <skunkworks> No - sureley not.
[14:13:30] <Connor> hehe. Yea. He helped me turn down a part for my G0704 conversion. I don't have a very good lathe. He's going to re-do my pulleys. Hopefully we can help each other out.
[14:14:23] <Connor> He's converting a Arrow 500 VMC to LinuxCNC and I'm going to help him out. He's never used LinuxCNC. He was using Mach3 with his RF-45 conversion he did before he sold it to buy that Arrow500
[14:15:06] <Connor> I need to do some research into 5i25+7i77 combo using the pnconf wizard thingie.
[14:20:11] <skunkworks> should be fun :)
[14:21:44] <Connor> Yea. Not sure how to handle his tool changer. It's a geneva drive one.. no INDEX. you manually index it.
[14:26:04] <skunkworks> Does z have to move to do a tool change? or does the arm move vertially?
[14:26:09] <skunkworks> vertically
[14:27:28] <Connor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXR3FsN0EE&feature=plcp
[14:28:08] <Connor> It's CAT40 too, so, the spindle has to be indexed correctly too for the locking lug.
[14:28:08] <skunkworks> ugh.
[14:29:03] <Connor> skunkworks: ugh? :(
[14:30:13] <skunkworks> well - you are going to learn a lot.. In my opinion - the hardest part is going to be the z move during the tool change. TO make work seamlessly I think you would have to look seriously at gcode remapping.
[14:31:07] <Connor> I played around with the 2.6 sim with the tool change stuff.. I had it working using Z movements for a rack based system.
[14:33:30] <skunkworks> Neat - how did you do it? disconnecting motion from the axis and moving them in hal?
[14:33:36] <Connor> and that's similar to how I'm going to have mine done.. Though, I'm using Tormach tooling, so no need to index the spindle.
[14:33:49] <Connor> I dunno.. It's with the 2.6 stuff.
[14:34:06] <skunkworks> oh - I have not looked at that - maybe there is something setup already
[14:34:47] <Connor> something called remap
[14:35:17] <Connor> uses .ngc files
[14:35:35] <skunkworks> oh - ok. So there is a demo of the remapping for tool changers.. Very cool
[14:35:42] <Connor> yea.
[14:36:06] <skunkworks> ok - so it shoudl be a cake walk :)
[14:36:53] <Connor> I hacked it to do a 4 tool rack setup.. it lowers the Z. moves the tool into the rack. raises the Z and moves over the next tool. drops down, then moves it out and the goes to home.
[14:40:33] <skunkworks> nice - you are not going to have any issues helping out pete
[14:41:02] <Connor> I've never done MESA. :( But, That shouldn't be a huge deal.
[14:41:40] <skunkworks> no - it is pretty easy - if you understand hal - it is all pins.. (and it sounds like the wizard works well - I have never used it)
[14:42:12] <Connor> Yea, the part I need to figure out is getting the wizard to see the 5i25 and 7i77 cards.
[14:42:38] <Connor> and does firmware have to up uploaded to them prior to running the wizard ?
[14:43:08] <skunkworks> umm - I think the firmware is there.. Didi you update to the latest linuxcnc version?
[14:43:31] <Connor> yes, he's running 2.6.blahblah from the repo
[14:44:15] <skunkworks> well - that is a good question. I though it should just work. exspeccially with 2.6
[14:45:06] <skunkworks> I have the older 5i20 which the firmware does get loaded during the run of linuxcnc. The 5i20 - the firmware comes installed IIRC
[14:45:11] <Connor> That was my thinking.
[14:45:31] <skunkworks> andy or peter may chime in here..
[14:50:50] <skunkworks> for sure I think the 7i77 needs field power to be recognized - but the 5i25 should be seen
[14:51:45] <PCW> You also need to download the latest xml files for pncconf to 'see' the 5I25/7I77
[14:51:57] <skunkworks> yay peter!
[14:52:09] <PCW> (look in the pncconf section of the forum)
[14:54:59] <PCW> and yes the 5I25 has on card firmware storage (you can change or update it with the mesaflash utility)
[14:55:26] <gene77> Hey guys
[14:55:45] <skunkworks> gene!
[14:57:04] <gene77> yup its me. Out here freezing my feet
[14:58:14] <gene77> I am asking trhe spindle for 600 rpm, what is the time between index pulses?
[15:00:33] <gene77> according my my calc it should be 100ms between pulses, right?
[15:01:17] <gene77> halscope says its 240 millisecs
[15:03:46] <gene77> Somewhere, I don't have the right full scale vs rpm ratio set, according to halmeter, 409 rpms is the best I can get, yet the spindle in low gear, can do around 1250 and sounds like it is.
[15:08:22] <gene77> So I put it in high gear and my accel ramp promptly cleared the fuse, put a 4 amp in and slowed the ramp 50%, and promptly shook my coffee cup off the table making several pieces out of it.
[15:08:42] <gene77> Heck It wasn't even dirty enough to need rebored yet...
[15:09:41] <gene77> But while it shook everything loose, it did show 100 mx index pulses. I think halscope is funkity
[15:10:00] <gene77> So I'm going to get a real scope out and test.
[15:19:24] <Connor> PCW: Thanks.
[15:19:43] <Connor> Link to the xml files ?
[15:20:59] <PCW> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/21670-5i25-firmware-xml-files-for-pncconf
[15:21:40] <Connor> Tnanks.
[15:23:37] <PCW> This should get straightened out when the 5i25 bitfiles get added to the linuxcnc repository (so there's a place for the xml files to go)
[15:30:16] <tom3p> whats the state of a parport input pin when the port doesnt exist?
[15:30:17] <tom3p> i dont have the hdwr connected now for tests, and 1 input is hi and other low!
[15:31:31] <tom3p> just wanted to see if the config held together, and got surprised
[15:57:21] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:00:16] <tjb1-mobile> PCW: Do you guys email tracking numbers?
[16:01:36] <PCW> Yeah we can if its shipped UPS or Fedex
[16:02:29] <tjb1-mobile> Would you be able to see if mine shipped
[16:17:07] <tjb1-mobile> That was fast
[16:19:48] <gene77> well, my hitachi, with it adjusted for 100 ms between index pulses,600 rpms, makes my encoder show 180 rpm, what the heck do I have miss-set?
[16:39:15] <gene77> I adjusted the encoder.0.position-scale upward by 1.5, and it now reads 120 rpm for an index every 500 milliseconds. Kewl, but when I crank it up to what s/b 600 rpm, I show arund 250 in the halmeter, and taking the math to the calc says its actually spinning 1270 rpms!
[16:39:38] <gene77> I think this goes back to the mailing list.
[17:18:59] <Aero-Tec> updating to 2.5 did not fix the stopping problem
[17:19:27] <Aero-Tec> skunkworks: you around?
[17:20:56] <Aero-Tec> any emc gurus?
[17:21:21] <Aero-Tec> was wondering if updating to 2.6 would be wise to do
[17:21:49] <Aero-Tec> I run my machines for profit so I need them working and reliable
[17:22:27] <roh> try on a fresh hdd.., then you can swap back without worrying
[17:22:29] <cradek> you mean master (there are no 2.6 releases yet). if you sorely need a feature that is not in 2.5, then the answer is maybe. otherwise the answer is very clearly no.
[17:22:31] <JT-Shop> unless you need a feature on 2.6, 2.5 is more stable
[17:22:31] <Aero-Tec> someone said that what the basic stuff I am doing that 2.6 would not be any problem
[17:22:50] <cradek> to me it sounds like that's answering the wrong question
[17:22:56] <Aero-Tec> what does 2.6 have that 2.5 does not?
[17:23:19] <roh> i still have a machine on 2.3.1 and its fine.. so no worries.. when its fine for you, dont touch it besides security updates
[17:23:23] <cradek> there is no 2.6. master has many many features that are under development/testing
[17:25:21] <Jymmm> ...broken as hell ;)
[17:27:23] <Aero-Tec> master is broken?
[17:27:37] <Aero-Tec> master, yes master
[17:27:39] <Aero-Tec> lol
[17:28:01] <Aero-Tec> reminds me of some horror flick
[17:28:27] <Aero-Tec> Dracula, and the like
[17:28:55] <Aero-Tec> is there a list of what they are doing to master?
[17:29:23] <JT-Shop> you might read the git log
[17:29:34] <Aero-Tec> but if it is broken I will not want to use it
[17:29:54] <Aero-Tec> the one I did read only went to 2.5
[17:30:12] <JT-Shop> you don't want to use it unless you have to have something in master
[17:31:36] <Aero-Tec> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
[17:31:38] <Aero-Tec> ok
[17:32:42] <Aero-Tec> that is what I thought, so even tho I was told to use master I chickened out and did 2.5
[17:32:56] <JT-Shop> tjb1: did you see the final plasma water table upgrade?
[17:33:08] <tjb1> No
[17:33:13] <tjb1> When/where do you post all this?
[17:33:20] <JT-Shop> why did someone tell you to use master
[17:33:27] <JT-Shop> a couple of hours ago
[17:33:47] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop>
http://imagebin.org/239058
[17:33:47] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop>
http://imagebin.org/239059
[17:33:47] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop>
http://imagebin.org/239060
[17:33:47] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> :)
[17:33:48] <tjb1> I normally dont read chat, its just open all the time
[17:34:04] <Aero-Tec> so I re did the SMI edit to the new config file for the upgrade
[17:34:11] <JT-Shop> worked out quite well
[17:34:29] <Aero-Tec> what else do I need to edit for the upgrade to 2.5?
[17:34:41] <JT-Shop> from?
[17:34:44] <tjb1> I like it, thcad should be here next week but I have to send g540 back saturday
[17:34:46] <Aero-Tec> 2.4
[17:35:12] <Aero-Tec> the logo for emc is gone
[17:35:45] <Aero-Tec> the logo that 2.4 had is not there and now is a blank box
[17:36:10] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
[17:36:36] <Aero-Tec> it did have the penguin
[17:37:08] <Valen> hey Aero-Tec any luck?
[17:38:29] <Valen> JT-Shop: is it just me or is filling a bunch of mild steel with water feeling like a bad idea in terms of rust
[17:38:36] <Valen> Aero-Tec: (with your g64 issue)
[17:40:08] <Aero-Tec> the update did not change anything
[17:40:28] <Aero-Tec> have some new configs to do to see if that helps
[17:41:26] <Aero-Tec> like changing b axis to z axis and see if that blends well
[17:42:12] <Aero-Tec> I was going to see if making b axis linear would help but s guru here said it would not help
[17:42:17] <tjb1> Valen: I believe JT is using the "plasma quench" mix
[17:42:19] <JT-Shop> Valen: it is not just H2O... I've added sodium nitrite for rust and physan 20 for critters
[17:42:35] <Valen> ahh ok i was kinda wondering there lol
[17:42:59] <Valen> it should help if g64 works on 3 axis machines
[17:43:04] <Valen> how many axies do you have Aero-Tec?
[17:43:14] <JT-Shop> the sodium nitrite actually removes rust slowly
[17:43:20] <Aero-Tec> also have to try making the steps closer to the same, so instead of steps per deg I will do steps per rev
[17:43:54] <Valen> what was the title of your post to the mailing list?
[17:44:49] <Aero-Tec> I want to do 5 moves of lin axis X and rot axis B with out stopping
[17:45:07] <Aero-Tec> does g64 work on 3 axis moves?
[17:45:16] <Aero-Tec> my mill has 4 axis
[17:45:24] <Aero-Tec> but no Z right now
[17:45:28] <Valen> that was our thinking
[17:45:38] <Valen> that its working on linear axies but not the rotary
[17:46:16] <Aero-Tec> I took the Z apart when using mach, need to add it now that I have linuxcnc
[17:46:57] <Aero-Tec> you would think g64 would work with 3 axis
[17:47:14] <Aero-Tec> if so, making b linear should work
[17:47:27] <Valen> its not the number of axies, I think its the rotary vs linear axis issue
[17:47:42] <Valen> if you have 2 linears already you could test it straight away
[17:48:05] <Aero-Tec> that was why I was going to make B linear, but someone here said it would make no difference
[17:48:33] <Aero-Tec> will still try it and see
[17:48:35] <Valen> i just meant you could test it simply with no changes, see if that is the issue
[17:48:41] <Aero-Tec> so 3 things to try
[17:48:57] <Aero-Tec> make B steps per rev
[17:49:01] <Valen> well yeah just make it a linear axis and run the same g code ;->
[17:49:05] <Aero-Tec> make B linear
[17:49:17] <Aero-Tec> and move B to Z
[17:49:56] <Aero-Tec> I am wanting to make sure I have done the update 100% correct before going further
[17:50:24] <Aero-Tec> have done the SM edit
[17:50:26] <Valen> fairy nuff
[17:50:49] <Aero-Tec> now have to rename the dir and edit the ini
[17:51:00] <Aero-Tec> looks like I do not have to edit the HAL
[17:51:45] <Aero-Tec> looks like renaming the dir and edit to INI is all that is left to do
[17:54:54] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWubhw8SoBE
[17:57:05] <JT-Shop> much better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KR2H16Mr5g
[18:02:14] <Aero-Tec> but the rtapi.conf has some references to EMC2
[18:02:18] <tjb1> PCW: Do I get the thc scale using this? V= VFS * (FOUT - FZERO) / (FFS - FZERO)
[18:02:39] <Aero-Tec> even the new version that 2.5 put into linuxcnc dir
[18:02:59] <Aero-Tec> do I have to edit that as well?
[18:03:19] <Aero-Tec> it did start up and is running
[18:03:35] <Aero-Tec> I did not edit the INI yet or anything
[18:03:47] <Valen> if its running and moving its probably ok lol
[18:03:48] <Aero-Tec> just did the SMI edit in the rtapi.conf file
[18:12:51] <PCW> tjbl: yes +- encoder scaling
[18:17:17] <tjb1> When using that, do you need to apply the frequency division to FFS and FZERO?
[18:18:24] <tjb1> PCW: ^ pinged in case.
[18:18:47] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na5Y9FxR0lg
[18:19:53] <Valen> andypugh around?
[18:20:34] <JT-Shop> don't see him
[18:20:57] <Valen> figured he may have been around earlier
[18:21:33] <JT-Shop> it's like midnight + for him
[18:30:08] <r00t4rd3d> damn i pulled the shit out of my back today
[18:38:29] <Aero-Tec> as someone that suffers from a bad back I feel for you
[18:39:53] <Aero-Tec> for me a very hot and very long bath/tube session does wonders, also popping my back into place
[18:40:15] <Jymmm> Your three favorite syllables... Li Do Derm
[18:40:26] <r00t4rd3d> i slipped on some ice and caught myself before I feel down
[18:40:37] <r00t4rd3d> 30 minutes later and I couldnt move
[18:41:29] <Aero-Tec> when I was young I had to see a chiropractor every other day, found out I could do the same adjustment at night in bed.
[18:42:15] <Aero-Tec> when I really throw it out the hot tubing help to loosen things and I can pop it back in again
[18:42:20] <r00t4rd3d> i was just stuck in bed for like an hour, couldnt roll over or get up, nothing.
[18:42:45] <Jymmm> Hug an exercise ball on the floor, and rock forward and back gently, NEVER side to side.
[18:42:49] <Aero-Tec> how is it now?
[18:43:32] <Aero-Tec> for some cold helps, for me it has always been hot water
[18:43:32] <r00t4rd3d> contemplating going to the hospital.
[18:43:59] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Get a heating pad?
[18:44:03] <Jymmm> Got?
[18:44:05] <Aero-Tec> chiropractors can work wonders
[18:44:14] <r00t4rd3d> nope, i just put some icy hot on it though
[18:44:28] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: electric blanket?
[18:44:35] <r00t4rd3d> and took some Excedrin Back and Body
[18:45:03] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Was this at work?
[18:45:26] <r00t4rd3d> yeah at my under the table, off the books job as a sub contractor
[18:45:48] <Aero-Tec> I have a 2 person tub, filling it with hot water so you can float and then relaxing for a few hours, I have been in it for over 5 hours at times
[18:46:19] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Got insurance I hope.
[18:46:24] <r00t4rd3d> not a lick
[18:46:47] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: bath tub?
[18:46:59] <r00t4rd3d> no way, fraid Ill get stuck
[18:47:15] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: where are you that you have ice?
[18:47:28] <r00t4rd3d> new york
[18:47:34] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: damp microwaved towel and a plastic bag?
[18:47:49] <Aero-Tec> seeing a good chiropractor and hot baths are cheaper then docs, unless your country has public health
[18:49:13] <r00t4rd3d> is there such thing as a good chiropractor?
[18:49:15] <Aero-Tec> my fear is not being able to get into the tub, not in getting out
[18:49:43] <Aero-Tec> getting out has always been way easier then getting in
[18:49:56] <r00t4rd3d> i knows some pussy like that
[18:50:15] <Aero-Tec> I have had to crawl to the tub and take forever to get in
[18:50:42] <Aero-Tec> lol
[18:51:17] <r00t4rd3d> i got a ton of cnc work to do too
[18:51:26] <Aero-Tec> me too
[18:51:38] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: than go do it
[18:52:24] <r00t4rd3d> I am going to
[18:52:27] <r00t4rd3d> have to
[18:52:36] <Aero-Tec> also robax platinum also helps
[18:52:44] <Valen> r00t4rd3d: you may have torn some ligaments in there
[18:52:48] <Aero-Tec> what do you make?
[18:53:05] <r00t4rd3d> all kinds of stuff
[18:53:22] <Aero-Tec> gun stuff?
[18:53:26] <Valen> best case is a pulled muscle, that will hurt when your not moving generally
[18:53:35] <r00t4rd3d> signs and keepsake boxes sell the most
[18:53:55] <Valen> a ligament will be achy when not moving but feels like hot knives of pain when you move
[18:53:56] <Aero-Tec> do you have a web site showing off your stuff?
[18:54:17] <r00t4rd3d> no
[18:54:34] <Aero-Tec> how do you show and sell your stuff then?
[18:54:41] <Aero-Tec> ebay?
[18:54:49] <r00t4rd3d> work of mouth mainly
[18:54:52] <r00t4rd3d> word
[18:54:55] <Aero-Tec> cool
[18:55:28] <Valen> worst case you have compressed a vertebrae but that unlikley without the impact
[18:56:25] <Aero-Tec> first he/you will have to find out if heat or cold helps
[18:56:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc_router_table_machines/152794-mdf_madness-8.html
[18:57:00] <Aero-Tec> also muscle relaxants should help as well
[18:57:06] <r00t4rd3d> you can see some of the stuff ive done there
[18:57:42] <Aero-Tec> do you feel any discomfort along your back bone?
[18:58:03] <Aero-Tec> one spot that feel sore ore not right?
[18:58:07] <Aero-Tec> or
[18:58:25] <Aero-Tec> if so you may have put your back out
[18:58:40] <Aero-Tec> chiropractor is your best bet then
[18:58:46] <r00t4rd3d> not in my bone i dont think
[18:58:57] <Valen> they wont touch him without an xray as a rule
[18:59:54] <r00t4rd3d> I sell these like crack rocks in front of the welfare office:
http://i.imgur.com/KGp2v.jpg
[19:00:31] <Valen> lol
[19:01:07] <r00t4rd3d> this pain dont go away, I might be at the welfare office
[19:01:35] <Valen> I am damn glad I live in a country with "free" (ish) health care
[19:02:11] <Aero-Tec> Valen: where is that?
[19:02:13] <Valen> no free dental though, and i just had a tooth explode, thats going to be spendy
[19:02:15] <Valen> australia
[19:02:30] <Aero-Tec> I am in Canada
[19:02:31] <jdh> drs. and nurses work for free?
[19:02:47] <Valen> which makes all those "if obamacare comes in I'm moving to Australia" twitter statements even funnier
[19:02:50] <Aero-Tec> same here, freeish
[19:03:09] <Valen> jdh, no its paid for as part of taxation
[19:03:15] <Aero-Tec> and no dental
[19:03:27] <Valen> but it means that nobody dies due to a lack of medical care
[19:03:35] <Valen> well in theory
[19:03:41] <jdh> I guess that could e considered a good thing
[19:04:12] <jdh> mine is freeish also, along with dental/vision.
[19:04:13] <Aero-Tec> here it is taxation and you have to but government heath insurance, but it is cheap
[19:04:22] <Aero-Tec> buy
[19:04:45] <Valen> they are pushing private hospital cover here, but it really seems dumb
[19:05:02] <jdh> for premium health care?
[19:05:10] <Valen> kinda
[19:05:24] <Valen> if you have private you can get "elective" stuff done faster
[19:05:34] <Valen> things that aren't life threatining
[19:05:35] <Aero-Tec> it does not seem dumb here
[19:05:44] <Valen> private cover for everything outside hospital makes sense
[19:05:45] <Aero-Tec> here you wait forever to get things done
[19:05:54] <Aero-Tec> some die waiting
[19:05:59] <jdh> I know a guy in BC that got a govt funded vagina
[19:06:04] <jdh> all free.
[19:06:13] <jdh> s/guy/person/ perhaps
[19:06:19] <Valen> some people know how to game the system better than others
[19:06:42] <Aero-Tec> I have waited over 8 months to see a specialist and still waiting
[19:06:54] <Valen> what for?
[19:08:14] <Aero-Tec> been waiting so long I forget what they call them
[19:09:25] <Aero-Tec> endocrinologist
[19:09:30] <Aero-Tec> had to look it up
[19:09:50] <Valen> ouch sounds messy
[19:09:59] <Aero-Tec> yep
[19:10:03] <Aero-Tec> and still waiting
[19:10:27] <Aero-Tec> private clinic I would have been done long ago
[19:11:01] <Valen> you could pay out of pocket to go private
[19:48:41] <gmouer> have a problem with sample_hold hal component, won't load, believe it is documented wrong in 2.5.1 docs, doc page shows BOTH sample_hold and sample-hold in document, can't be both a minus sign and a underscore, any idea which is correct?
[19:49:17] <gmouer> I used underscore character as per the sample_hold component name in the docs for 2.5.1
[19:50:08] <gmouer> wouldn't load, then I noticed the doc shows the pin names with a minus sign
[19:51:35] <gmouer> here is the doc I am refer to
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/sample_hold.9.html
[19:53:33] <jdh> /usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/modules/linuxcnc/sample_hold.ko
[19:54:49] <jdh> looks like the pin names are - but the comp is _
[19:55:02] <gmouer> yep, bombs out of course
[19:55:12] <jdh> with error message?
[19:55:38] <gmouer> I did a loadrt sample_hold addf sample_hold.0 servo-thread, just that throws a error
[19:56:22] <gmouer> let me look at the screen, believe it was something like "unable to load component"
[19:57:31] <gmouer> "sample_hold.0 not found" is the error message
[19:58:00] <andypugh> gmouer: pin names _should_ all be minus sign. But the component name will always be an underscore as it is also a file-name.
[19:59:12] <andypugh> Easy (ish) way to find out. In a terminal type halrun
[19:59:17] <andypugh> loadrt sample_hold
[19:59:19] <andypugh> show all
[19:59:44] <gmouer> wow, so the doc is right! Thanks Andy! Hal is new to me and I am used to the pin names usually being the same format as the component name, that won't bite me again now !
[20:01:29] <gmouer> still, the error message is strange, I used the underscore for the loadrt and addf lines, yet the "sample_hold.0 not found" message
[20:01:56] <gmouer> seems to be bitching about the component loading, not the pin names
[20:03:08] <andypugh> Try just that component at the halrun prompt, like I described earlier. You get feedback much faster
[20:03:48] <gmouer> ok, back to the garage to chase this gremlin down, thanks Andy
[20:05:24] <PCW> its bitching about the _function_ sample_hold.0 not being there
[20:07:09] <gmouer> ahhh I see now the function is a minus sign too, and I used a underscore
[20:07:47] <gmouer> the addf line needs to be addf sample-hold servo-thread apparently
[20:08:15] <gmouer> only the component name in the loadrt should be a underscore character I believe now
[20:08:43] <jdh> that is what the docs say.
[20:09:54] <PCW> Andy's halcmd all scheme redirected to a cut-paste donor file is a good way to do this
[20:10:02] <gmouer> ok, think I got this under control now, thanks much
[20:10:39] <PCW> (if you are a lazy typist like me)
[20:12:24] <andypugh> Night all
[20:12:39] <PCW> `nite
[20:13:00] <gmouer> PCW: this is a major uphill battle learning all this, almost makes me want to go back to mach at times.... almost LOL
[20:13:26] <Tom_itx> by the end you will be a pro
[20:13:52] <gmouer> did it in the show hal config window command line, the loadrt worked and the component loaded
[20:14:19] <gmouer> but the addf sample-hold servo-thread threw a error
[20:16:54] <gmouer> LOL went into the terminal window and entered halcmd loadrt sample_hold rt error, could not open shared memory, segmentation fault
[20:17:10] <gmouer> linuxcnc is closed
[20:17:30] <gmouer> do I need linuxcnc open to issue halcmd statements in terminal?
[20:19:35] <gmouer> yup, w linuxcnc running then the command took in terminal
[20:24:51] <skunkworks> gmouer - do halcmd -ik
[20:25:06] <skunkworks> (I think that is right - I don't have linuxcnc on this thing)
[20:26:56] <gmouer> hi Sam! I am getting it now, good thing I have patience
[20:27:53] <gmouer> hooking up the incremental jog on the shuttlexpress, what a pita the analog jog part was easy
[20:34:21] <Aero-Tec> Valen: private clinics are not allowed here in Canada, they are coming, there are private MRIs and labs. private clinics are getting talked about and maybe here soon.
[20:34:42] <Aero-Tec> not soon enough as the public system sucks
[20:35:40] <Aero-Tec> if you work hard and do well and have the cash, why not have local private clinics?
[20:36:30] <Aero-Tec> thing is the ones rich enough go to the US or Mexico and get things done there
[20:36:48] <Jymmm> s/Mexico/cuba/
[20:38:40] <Aero-Tec> gmouer: your a ex mach guy as well I see
[20:39:05] <Aero-Tec> the guys here are great at getting you going and I love emc over mach
[20:40:21] <Aero-Tec> I am still getting thing setup 100% but I am having fun and liking the new controller
[20:45:57] <Aero-Tec> jdh: I live in BC as well, the guy you talked about probably works for the government, or is a wheel in the government
[20:46:20] <Aero-Tec> they all get better medical then the general public does
[20:46:57] <Aero-Tec> even a convict get better medical then we do
[20:48:21] <Aero-Tec> also so does pro athletes. if your a normal jo your at the bottom of the list
[20:49:24] <Aero-Tec> the whole system is based on being equal, just some pigs are more equal then others, got to love animal farm
[20:50:45] <Aero-Tec> the guys that pay the bills are last to get service, anyone feeding off the system is first in line
[20:51:53] <Aero-Tec> the athletes are the exception. that and anyone of fame is also front of the line
[21:42:53] <tjb1> Im getting old…don't want to play xbox anymore
[21:44:14] <Jymmm> getting?
[21:44:31] <Aero-Tec> lol
[21:45:04] <Aero-Tec> how old are you when you do not even own a Xbox or play station or any game console?
[21:45:34] <Aero-Tec> at least I am young enough to know what they are
[21:46:05] <tjb1> Only 21 and losing desire to play it anymore
[21:46:12] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Well, maybe like me, you have a "different" toy to play with. Mine happens to be a ham radio =)
[21:46:28] <Aero-Tec> mine is the CNC
[21:46:35] <tjb1> Seems like every game I play just pisses me off :)
[21:46:46] <Aero-Tec> 21 is still young
[21:46:57] <Aero-Tec> wait till you get to 50
[21:47:05] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Try girls instead
[21:47:17] <Jymmm> err tjb1 that is
[21:47:25] <tjb1> I just tried
[21:47:33] <Aero-Tec> never thought I would ever see 50
[21:47:36] <tjb1> It was bad go from the start
[21:47:44] <Jymmm> tjb1: you tried a girl and went bacj to the xbox?!
[21:47:50] <tjb1> She does drugs
[21:47:54] <tjb1> Lots of them
[21:47:55] <Aero-Tec> I have a gal
[21:48:09] <Aero-Tec> married over 20 years
[21:48:15] <Aero-Tec> and loving it
[21:48:23] <Tom_itx> you like married women?
[21:48:31] <Jymmm> tjb1: I said GIRL, not druggy!
[21:48:47] <Jymmm> a/druggy/crack_whore/
[21:48:48] <tjb1> Arent many here at school Jymmm
[21:48:51] <Aero-Tec> if she is my wife I love them/her
[21:48:56] <Tom_itx> :)
[21:49:05] <Jymmm> tjb1: you in alaska?
[21:49:14] <tjb1> No
[21:49:18] <tjb1> Im at an engineering school
[21:49:43] <Valen> rofl at my radio station
[21:49:43] <Jymmm> and all the geek girls are really crack whores?
[21:50:02] <tjb1> Yes
[21:50:03] <Jymmm> Valen: Mister Microphone doens't count.
[21:50:13] <Valen> its usually all poprock, now they are throwing in "its beginning to look a lot like xmas"
[21:50:19] <tjb1> And she went back to her ex ha, not my problem
[21:50:51] <Aero-Tec> your attracting the wrong type of gal
[21:51:22] <Aero-Tec> and for the most part geek gals are not druggies
[21:51:23] <tjb1> I dont attract anything
[21:51:29] <Jymmm> tjb1: hang a vial around your neck
[21:52:12] <Aero-Tec> you need a great gal
[21:52:29] <Aero-Tec> all man need a great gal to have and hold
[21:52:38] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: You offering to share yours with tjb1?
[21:52:44] <Aero-Tec> lol
[21:52:47] <Aero-Tec> hell no
[21:53:04] <Aero-Tec> he would think her to old anyway
[21:53:15] <Aero-Tec> he can find his own
[21:53:18] <tjb1> Single is cheaper
[21:53:28] <Aero-Tec> not if done right
[21:53:37] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Hey,you never know... the whole Cougar/Cub thing
[21:53:39] <Aero-Tec> my gal pays her way
[21:53:47] <Aero-Tec> lol
[21:54:06] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: So you're a gigalo and she's your sugar mama?
[21:54:08] <Aero-Tec> my gal does not cost me anything
[21:54:15] <Aero-Tec> lol
[21:54:18] <Aero-Tec> hell no
[21:54:28] <Jymmm> She's your pimp?
[21:54:32] <Aero-Tec> she has her income and I have mine
[21:55:05] <Aero-Tec> we split the bills
[21:55:31] <Aero-Tec> if she wants something, she buys it, some times I will buy it for her
[21:55:40] <tjb1> Last gf I had wanted to go to the movies every weekend
[21:55:53] <Aero-Tec> if I want some thing I buy it, and some times she will buy it as a gift
[21:56:28] <Aero-Tec> and that is bad how?
[21:56:45] <Aero-Tec> was she a druggie?
[21:57:05] <Aero-Tec> nothing wrong with the movies
[21:57:16] <Aero-Tec> together time
[21:57:34] <tjb1> Movies are expensive when your in college and work just the weekends
[21:58:05] <Aero-Tec> it could be worse, she wants you to go to dance class or pottery or some other thing not so fun
[21:58:31] <Aero-Tec> get her to pay her way
[21:59:00] <Aero-Tec> all work and no play is no fun at all
[21:59:09] <Aero-Tec> one needs to live a little
[22:01:00] <Aero-Tec> it is nice that we do not fight over money, she pays her way and has her own money, that way she is not spending mine and complaining about how I spend mine as my spending would compete with her sending
[22:01:51] <Aero-Tec> she does not under stand why I need as many guns as I have, and machines and tooling, but she does not really care
[22:04:30] <Aero-Tec> same as I do not understand why her needs tons of clothes and shows, and fake flowers and glasses and and and. but I do not care, I did not buy most of them
[22:04:39] <Aero-Tec> she
[22:04:52] <Aero-Tec> shoes
[22:05:05] <Aero-Tec> I really need to proof read better
[22:09:17] <tjb1> .
[22:30:21] <Aero-Tec> r00t4rd3d: are you feeling any better?
[22:30:49] <Aero-Tec> was looking through your thread on the cnc forum
[22:31:42] <Aero-Tec> that's some nice stuff you make and also cool little router you made
[22:32:12] <Aero-Tec> hope your back is feeling better soon
[22:33:43] <Aero-Tec> you could make some more router tables and get production higher
[22:34:00] <Aero-Tec> looks like a fun unit
