#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-11-13

[00:13:48] <tjb1> Im sorry, I can only tell you how to destroy it
[00:14:46] <Aero-Tec> destroy?
[00:15:14] <Aero-Tec> how will that help?
[00:15:26] <Aero-Tec> could I rename it?
[00:16:27] <Aero-Tec> if I can change the name I could do a save as possibly
[00:17:08] <Aero-Tec> with a file one might have to edit, why give ownership to root?
[00:17:24] <Aero-Tec> is there a way I can log in as root?
[00:17:41] <Aero-Tec> maybe su root
[00:18:11] <Aero-Tec> not sure if that is even a command
[00:18:40] <Aero-Tec> tjb1: you still there?
[00:19:02] <tjb1> Im sorry Aero-Tec, it was a joke…im horrible with linuxcnc
[00:19:18] <Aero-Tec> ok
[00:19:19] <Aero-Tec> np
[00:19:33] <tjb1> :)
[00:19:36] <Aero-Tec> will try a few thing and see how it goes
[00:19:46] <tjb1> 1. grab hammer 2. smash computer 3. ??? 4. profit!
[00:19:58] <Aero-Tec> lol
[00:20:16] <tjb1> adult swim is mighty weird :(
[00:20:17] <Aero-Tec> some day it sure is tempting
[00:20:28] <Aero-Tec> why?
[00:20:39] <tjb1> Im watching an ass with legs walk around and talk
[00:20:41] <Aero-Tec> you talking at the rec center?
[00:21:03] <tjb1> hmm?
[00:21:26] <Aero-Tec> your watching TV?
[00:21:48] <tjb1> Im in my dorm room
[00:21:49] <Aero-Tec> or you were at the pool?
[00:22:09] <tjb1> Its a show on adult swim called "Assey Mcgee"
[00:22:31] <Aero-Tec> never heard of it
[00:22:48] <tjb1> *assy
[00:23:09] <tjb1> me either…I think some of the people that work for adult swim do a little too many drugs
[00:24:15] <Aero-Tec> one time I was at the rec center swimming, when it ended I was in the change room and this retarded, for real, he was missing lots of blocks, or cards or what ever
[00:24:57] <Aero-Tec> he was walking around beating his manhood looking for a gay partner
[00:25:10] <Aero-Tec> that was weird
[00:26:32] <Aero-Tec> talk about advertizing, he had it down pat
[00:26:34] <Aero-Tec> lol
[00:26:53] <tjb1> missing lots of blocks?
[00:27:05] <Aero-Tec> he was simple
[00:27:10] <Aero-Tec> not all there
[00:27:25] <Aero-Tec> very low IQ
[00:30:10] <Aero-Tec> as far as I know every one ignored him, not sure as I ignored him so did not see if he found a playmate or not
[00:32:03] <Aero-Tec> going to bed now
[00:32:04] <Aero-Tec> night
[00:38:19] <tjb1> night
[01:52:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: alex_joni archivist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HZztie5ac&feature=related
[01:53:15] <archivist> random video and no subject and I am on a data cap(price hike if over)
[01:57:31] <Jymmm> It's a con shaped "screw" attached the hub of a car wheel up on jacks splitting logs pretty impressively
[01:57:34] <Jymmm> cone
[02:10:12] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:03:09] <educasoft> Hi, is it possible that mail drom linuxcnc forum is down ? I try to register for hours now and there is not coming any mail to activate my account. I tried a lot of times with different mail accounts and I'm pretty sure there is ntothing wrong here with my mail or spam settings
[03:05:22] <archivist> forum has some anti spam
[03:05:39] <educasoft> I actually had a question I wanted to ask on forum. Currently I use linuxcnc with Axis, but is there a way that I could run linuxcnc in verbose command line mode? I mean if I know I want to send file myfile.nc to my lasercutter, can't I somehow start emc/linuxcnc from the terminal screen and give myfile.nc as param ?
[03:05:57] <educasoft> archivist, I did complete it multiple times and am 100% sure I did it right
[03:07:07] <archivist> the forum was getting thousands of registrations until the anti spam was upgraded, it may be too clever for its own good
[03:07:45] <educasoft> yes, but if I'm 100% sure that I did it correct, then I cannot access the forum ??
[03:08:21] <archivist> you may just need to wait for a moderator to ok
[03:09:04] <archivist> but having experimented I can see a moderator thinking spam :(
[03:09:57] <archivist> are you sure you want to run a machine that way with little ability to stop it etc
[03:09:59] <educasoft> Well I registered once, thats all, but then the system asked me to wait for the mail to arrive
[03:10:16] <educasoft> archivist, yes, I am sure I want to run it that way
[03:10:28] <archivist> er once is not "I tried a lot of times"
[03:10:31] <educasoft> IF stop is needed I have hardware in place to shut down all signals
[03:10:51] <educasoft> I tried a lot of times to get that mail, by loggin in and then system tells me it will resend the mail
[03:11:58] <educasoft> anyway, if it needs to pass a moderator, then I guess it'll just take time :)
[03:13:27] <educasoft> archivist, is it possible to give .nc file as command line parameter and have linuxcnc start immediately executing that file ?
[03:14:18] <archivist> what state is the machine in
[03:15:46] <educasoft> the machine is nicely at its 0 point when I start linuxcnc
[03:16:03] <archivist> no homing?
[03:16:22] <educasoft> no, it is assumed that the machine is at x0 y0 z0 when starting
[03:16:41] <educasoft> its a laser cutter and I set the laser head with my hand to where on the plate I want to cut
[03:16:48] <educasoft> then the system assumes this to be 0,0
[03:17:18] <archivist> that is touch off when under control
[03:17:46] <educasoft> I know that this risks me running too far in X and Y but my gcodes will only go max 200mm in X and Y and they do have more then 600mm of space
[03:18:04] <archivist> you wont know if your file will fit on remaining sheet that way
[03:18:22] <educasoft> yes I will, but I don't want linuxcnc to worry about that
[03:18:32] <educasoft> it will fit surely
[03:18:46] <educasoft> I agree that normally you let linuxcnc keep an eye on that
[03:18:50] <archivist> it is open source you can modify to suit
[03:18:57] <educasoft> but here it is not
[03:19:31] <educasoft> yes, I was hoping that you could just start ./linuxcnc myfile.nc and let it go do its work
[03:22:43] <archivist> once you have crashed a machine a few times you wont think that way
[03:24:44] <educasoft> well anyway, the only thing you told me is that its a bad idea (which I can understand if you don't know what I really want to do with it) but that was not actually the question. I do understand the risks but like i said security is built in in hardware, I don't need the soft to look for it
[03:26:30] <archivist> and I said the software is open source you can remove stuff and modify and there is a remote control method you could leverage
[03:27:53] <educasoft> ok tnx
[03:29:09] <cncbasher> educasoft: theirs reasons for software and hardware limits and control , and many of us using lasers
[03:30:23] <educasoft> yes, I do also understand these reasons, I don't want to say they are not needed
[03:30:39] <educasoft> with me they are built into the hardware when something would go wrong
[03:30:40] <Jymmm> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Emcrsh
[03:31:02] <educasoft> emcrsh works with 2.5.1 too? not only emc2 ?
[03:31:41] <cncbasher> emcrsh works with all versions
[03:31:49] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halcmd.1.html
[03:32:58] <Jymmm> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/22-pyvcp/18468-on-the-fly-command-line-control
[03:34:04] <educasoft> ok thanks
[03:35:43] <cncbasher> educasoft: i run my lasers remotely just fine with emcrsh to a headless pc in the laser
[03:38:58] <educasoft> and you login from a remote pc with a simple telnet client ?
[03:42:20] <cncbasher> i run Axis as the front end ,the office is infact in a different building
[03:42:49] <cncbasher> look on the linuxcnc website the information is their and in the manuals
[03:44:05] <cncbasher> later ...
[03:53:23] <cmorley1> cncbasher: what did you send me in the email?
[03:53:37] <cmorley1> it crashed firefox :)
[03:54:01] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[03:57:49] <archivist> I think it gets killed when it asks for too much memory sometimes
[10:34:02] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[10:34:34] <IchGuckLive> tjb1: ?
[10:34:48] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: ?
[10:34:53] <IchGuckLive> and
[10:34:57] <IchGuckLive> does it home
[10:38:21] <tjb1> Im not home
[10:39:32] <IchGuckLive> 2days ago dident you try since
[10:40:13] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Got Firewood? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HZztie5ac&feature=related
[10:40:49] <IchGuckLive> im off By
[10:56:06] <tjb1> http://www.wimp.com/crashlanding/
[11:01:37] <Aero-Tec> need some help
[11:01:48] <archivist> ask a better question
[11:01:51] <Aero-Tec> I can not edit rtapi.conf
[11:02:14] <archivist> read error message, understand and react
[11:02:16] <Aero-Tec> I can load it into a editor but can not save it
[11:02:28] <Aero-Tec> it is owned by root
[11:02:37] <archivist> sudo is your friend
[11:02:54] <JT-Shop> sudo gedit pathtofile
[11:03:24] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[11:19:28] <tjb1> Some of you may enjoy this, a security researcher gives a fake Antivirus company remote access to a virtual machine and records the whole thing - http://www.wimp.com/securityresearcher/
[11:34:04] <Jymmm> LOL Muffin Monster... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibEdgQJEdTA&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[11:36:04] <tjb1> more like tampon monster
[11:36:57] <pcw_home> Dont think I would get my hands that close
[11:38:37] <Jymmm> I love how the fiberglass starts pulling him into the machine
[11:39:25] <tjb1> I remember watching one of these chew up dead animals before
[11:41:19] <alex4nder> hey
[11:41:35] <Jymmm> wth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLwaPP9cxT4&feature=related
[11:41:46] <Jymmm> ice cube in flames???
[11:42:39] <tjb1> Jymmm: Im now on how not to build a reprap
[11:42:43] <JT-Shop> nothing better than a hand full of fresh Gurley's
[11:42:48] <tjb1> Starting to get sucked into the weird youtube
[11:43:40] <Jymmm> tjb1: I'd suggest more of a why think about building a reprap in the first place
[11:46:00] <tjb1> To make money
[11:48:22] <Jymmm> tjb1: Get yourself a pair of fishnet stockings.
[11:48:40] <tjb1> That business is already full up here
[11:48:52] <L84Supper> http://singularityhub.com/2012/11/12/1-million-robots-to-replace-1-million-human-jobs-at-foxconn-first-robots-have-arrived/
[11:48:57] <Jymmm> tjb1: There's always room for improvement
[11:49:08] <tjb1> I dont believe I could improve it :)
[11:49:38] <Jymmm> tjb1: you just haven't tried hard enough
[11:49:42] <tjb1> L84Supper: Now they will be bitching about inhumane working environments for the robots caused by Apple
[11:50:06] <L84Supper> robot rebellion
[11:51:44] <tjb1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmSV2l6JFt0&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[11:56:30] <tjb1> Thats amazing ^
[12:01:53] <tjb1> Are they just floating paint on top of water?
[12:02:04] <Jymmm> yep
[12:05:37] <tjb1> I may have to try that
[12:09:28] <tjb1> They are just using enamel model paint
[12:10:29] <L84Supper> so do they make the pattern and then take a pic, then print it on the guitar with an inkjet?
[12:11:40] <tjb1> ?
[12:11:56] <tjb1> They dip the items into the pattern
[12:12:17] <tjb1> and the pattern in the water kind of rolls onto the surface
[12:12:37] <L84Supper> oh, like water film transfers
[12:12:45] <L84Supper> why did they just say so?
[12:13:27] <L84Supper> or didn't
[12:13:35] <tjb1> Its cool but if they are doing it this much I would make something to lower the item in at a consistent speed
[12:14:21] <tjb1> L84Supper: If you go to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCQ3wd8Tgw&feature=plcp and skip to 3:05
[12:15:39] <L84Supper> I didn't know that people still used that method
[12:18:17] <tjb1> Article I found says to dissolve 1 ounce of borax per gallon of water to help the paint stay on the surface
[12:18:27] <tjb1> they also thinned the enamel until it floated
[12:18:59] <Jymmm> If it's oil based enamel, it'll float.
[12:19:31] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[12:22:33] <IchGuckLive> if been outside the last 2 hr aas the stars are bright and freesing cold nice 25 doc wakers (all Girls)also joint the telescope
[12:23:09] <tjb1> Jymmm: I think their droplets were too heavy or not breaking down fast enough
[12:23:29] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: Im at school from sunday afternoon until wednesday night, no access to my plasma cutter
[12:23:34] <Jymmm> tjb1: it's all trial and error.
[12:25:12] <tjb1> Now to find a container big enough that wasnt previously full of something bad :)
[12:25:48] <IchGuckLive> tjb1: NP
[12:26:33] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: Ill be home in 32 hours, if its warm enough I will try it then but it will probably wait until thursday morning :)
[12:26:57] <IchGuckLive> up2you
[12:29:07] <tjb1> I never got the emails
[12:30:24] <IchGuckLive> they did not return
[12:31:59] <IchGuckLive> mails are marked as delivered
[12:32:09] <IchGuckLive> at the provider page
[12:44:19] <IchGuckLive> Folks i recived mail from USA -> University of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio, Texas <- wants me to do a semester on CNC
[12:44:27] <IchGuckLive> someone knows this
[12:47:26] <jdh> seriouslY?
[12:48:04] <IchGuckLive> i got this mail to the university mailsystem
[12:49:18] <jdh> heh, it's a big catholic uni. Whackjobs.
[12:49:53] <Connor> do as in take it, or do as in teach it ?
[12:50:12] <tjb1> I dont see a CNC program there
[12:50:17] <tjb1> http://www.uiw.edu/home/academics/
[12:50:21] <jdh> Connor: what's up? Anything new and cool on your mill?
[12:51:08] <Connor> jdh: Not really.. Been major busy with work and life.. I managed to get the flood system mostly done.. I just need to make a mount for the line-lock nozzle.
[12:51:23] <IchGuckLive> Whackjobs i cant find a translation on this what does this meen
[12:51:30] <Connor> Need to finish up the bearing upgrade still. :)
[12:51:55] <jdh> still waiting on the lube? :)
[12:52:44] <Connor> Waiting? Yea.. hoping it falls from the sky. :) More like just frustrated.. that and my hobby account was depleted of $$$
[12:52:53] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: www.pastebin.com the email
[12:53:09] <IchGuckLive> ok
[12:53:17] <jdh> Ich: they rule their lives based on what some one told them a mythical cosmic being thought they should.
[12:53:35] <jdh> Ich: surely you are familiar with religion?
[12:53:37] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: Im talking about the one from the University
[12:54:21] <IchGuckLive> yes ok i see not interestet in Engeneers only in getting things together so REJEKT
[12:54:53] <Connor> Sounds like the trolled for you email from a CNC forum or mailing list..
[12:55:37] <jdh> My country is Germany. I have now in my possession the sum of sixteen million united states dollars($16M) which I recovered from one of our raids here in Afghanistan.
[12:55:53] <jdh> this guy is going to split that with me.
[12:58:18] <IchGuckLive> i will call them and see what they want
[13:14:07] <IchGuckLive> BY O.O B) :D
[14:16:58] <Connor> jdh: So, Things on my todo list. Finish up the spindle upgrade. Finish up the Power Draw bard. Make a Chip Tray -- I'm trying to design one that extends out in the front so that it's deep enough so that the vise will be over it. And a new enclosure for the spindle motor controller.
[14:18:26] <archivist> and finish the todo list :)....never happens
[14:19:00] <Connor> Forgot to add on finish up the X, Y and Z home/limit switches. :)
[14:19:13] <jdh> Connor: cool. We have the same list. Give or take a 's/finish/start/g'
[14:19:25] <Connor> jdh: ROFL
[14:19:35] <jdh> only my X is hooked up.
[14:19:45] <Connor> Ditto.
[14:19:53] <Connor> Or is it the Y.
[14:19:58] <jdh> because it is trivial to mount
[14:20:03] <Connor> Yea. the X.
[14:20:10] <Connor> I've got stock to make the Y.
[14:20:23] <archivist> I remade the spindle mount on my cutter grinder today, was not stiff enough
[14:20:24] <jdh> I need a piece of 3mm plexi over my X prox
[14:20:38] <Connor> http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg239/abilander/Mill%20conversion/DSC_2271.jpg
[14:20:44] <Connor> is how I'm going to do the Y
[14:21:08] <jdh> I have thos pics bookmarked for mine also.
[14:21:48] <Connor> Looks easy enough to make..
[14:21:51] <jdh> I got some 1"x.5 and .75x.75 stock.
[14:22:16] <jdh> I think my slot cutter is too wide though
[14:22:52] <Connor> 3/4" x 1.5" abd 3/4" x 1" is what I got.
[14:22:54] <andypugh> Perhaps demonstrating my lack of scheduling skills, the _only_ part of my Mill working properly is the power drawbar :-)
[14:23:25] <jdh> I should have done some relative measurements first.
[14:23:45] <jdh> or look in the cutoff bin here.
[14:24:41] <jdh> I'm taking vacation noon tomorrow until Nov 26.
[14:58:29] <Connor> jdh: Work for myself.. No Vacation for me. :( I Used the photo to try to determine the sizes.. Not 100% sure I got it right.
[14:59:43] <jdh> tht's what I meant by relative measurements.
[15:00:19] <jdh> it just needs to match your slot cutter and flag pieces.\
[15:00:37] <JT-Shop> in the python interface does reset_interpreter() reload the G code file?
[15:01:13] <Connor> Oh. I also want to make a new way cover.. Made from sheet metal/alum hinged from the back of the saddle -- Telescoping style.
[15:03:03] <jdh> we have a cnc-like engraver that has a roll-up way cover
[15:03:23] <jdh> like roll-up blinds kind of.
[15:03:56] <Connor> You'll have to take some pictures of that..
[15:04:16] <jdh> can't take pics here.
[15:04:37] <Connor> Oh. Shoot. Maybe find a manufacture picture of it then.
[15:07:38] <jdh> http://skirting-and-bellows.com/industrial-roll-up-curtains/
[15:07:47] <jdh> kind of like the top one, but sized appropriately
[15:08:10] <Connor> http://www.gortite.com/roll-up-covers
[15:09:09] <jdh> yeah, like that more or less
[15:13:28] <Connor> http://bit.ly/ZonSNx
[15:14:15] <Connor> Think that would work ?
[15:14:56] <jdh> doubt it woudl last long
[15:15:16] <Connor> Fabric, or the spring retract ?
[15:15:17] <jdh> and they probably take up too much room
[15:15:20] <jdh> fabric
[15:15:44] <Connor> 12mil Vinyl..
[15:15:53] <Connor> You can cut them to width at the store.
[15:16:43] <Connor> only issue I see is it wouldn't offer any protection on the sides...
[15:17:54] <Connor> I may go look at one of those tonight...
[15:23:47] <jdh> I'd still like to be able to mill a half decent PCB
[15:24:08] <jdh> which is why I started this in the first place.
[15:34:30] <Connor> ROFL
[15:34:55] <Connor> and what was the PCB for ?
[15:40:38] <andypugh> I was going to make a clock. That was 3 years ago.
[15:47:14] <Connor> Any ideas on how to seal up the sides ?
[15:48:48] <Connor> I guess if it was wide enough... it wouldn't matter...
[15:56:08] <JT-Shop> amazing bit just rapided through 1/2" of steel and is not hurt
[15:58:37] <Tom_itx> is there a hp or such calculator to determine depth and width of cut in various materials?
[15:59:32] <Tom_itx> on rough cuts what percent of the tool do you use per pass as a rule and how deep of cuts do you make?
[16:04:56] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:05:13] <tjb1> Tom_itx: www.custompartnet.com has HP calculators
[16:05:27] <tjb1> They determine hp needed for depth and width of cut
[16:05:55] <tjb1> Direct link to it - http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/milling-horsepower
[16:06:48] <Tom_itx> i've got 5 or 6 'slide rule' calculators here for that i just kinda wanted some input
[16:07:44] <Tom_itx> i've got that one bookmarked already
[16:08:24] <tjb1> Do you know what bend deduction is in this - http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/bend-allowance
[16:09:19] <Tom_itx> ?
[16:09:57] <tjb1> bend deduction
[16:10:05] <Tom_itx> no but when we made hydropress forms i think we generally used 2 or 3 degrees
[16:10:40] <Tom_itx> for springback
[16:11:07] <Tom_itx> The amount a piece of material has been stretched by bending, equal to the difference between the mold line distance to each edge and the total flat length.
[16:11:25] <Tom_itx> tjb1, read the dialog at the bottom with the cursor in the box
[16:11:51] <tjb1> Oh didnt know that updated for each box
[16:11:53] <Aero-Tec> there looks to be lots of changes between 2.4 and 2.5, is there anything I should be looking or at that could bite me when I make chips?
[16:12:16] <Aero-Tec> also I am using a 2.4 config with 2.5
[16:12:23] <Aero-Tec> will that be a problem?
[16:12:36] <Tom_itx> i'd certainly do a dry run first
[16:12:49] <Tom_itx> but i'm not aware of anything critical
[16:12:51] <Aero-Tec> or sould I make a 2.5 config and move things I need to move to the new config?
[16:13:10] <Tom_itx> i'd save the old one and use it to make a new one
[16:13:24] <Tom_itx> just in case
[16:13:29] <Aero-Tec> it was a custom config
[16:14:10] <Aero-Tec> I see with the test config I made in 2.5 that there is some sort of 3D model of a mill
[16:14:17] <Aero-Tec> what is that all about
[16:14:48] <Tom_itx> i did mine manually, i dunno
[16:14:56] <Aero-Tec> the 2.5 does not make the mill model when I use the 2.4 config but does with the 2.5
[16:16:20] <Aero-Tec> ok will do a 2.5 config and then move what I need over to the new config
[16:16:58] <Tom_itx> maybe your best bet
[16:17:52] <Aero-Tec> that 3D model, does it move or do anything other then look nice?
[16:18:21] <Aero-Tec> does it move with cutting code or anything?
[16:19:12] <tjb1> maybe like the mastercam x5-x6 machine simulation?
[16:19:53] <Tom_itx> not sure what model you're referring to
[16:20:10] <Tom_itx> the cutter path?
[16:44:19] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: The 2.4 config ought to work.
[16:44:32] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[16:45:16] <Aero-Tec> i think I did a 5 axis sim config
[16:45:33] <Aero-Tec> that would be why the 3D model
[16:45:35] <andypugh> You need to rename the emc directory to linuxcnc (all lower-case)
[16:45:45] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
[16:46:20] <mevon> hi everyone, i have troubles configuring a HAL arduino component, can anyone help^
[16:46:22] <mevon> ?
[16:46:46] <andypugh> Which Component?
[16:47:05] <andypugh> I guess you mean the USB stepper one, not jeplers pure IO one?
[17:02:48] <mevon> hi andypugh, i meant the arduino one, sry for the delay
[17:04:25] <andypugh> There are no Arduino components that are part of the LinuxCNC project. So which of the many other ones do you mean?
[17:04:38] <mevon> any idea on this error? "custom.hal:85: Pin 'axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in' does not exist"
[17:05:05] <mevon> andypugh, Im looking to make the emc2arduino project work
[17:05:15] <andypugh> what that means is that the pin does not exist
[17:05:29] <mevon> ok but how can I create it
[17:05:32] <andypugh> Which is strange.
[17:05:47] <andypugh> I am having a desperate case of deja-vu
[17:06:08] <mevon> yeah i ask for the same issue last week :S
[17:06:09] <andypugh> Haven't we been here before, with me telling you that you need both HAL files?
[17:06:19] <mevon> yes
[17:06:29] <andypugh> Well, at a guess, the same solution as last week will work again.
[17:06:46] <mevon> but i couldnt create create the first one correctly
[17:07:14] <mevon> so i tried with sim ones
[17:07:20] <andypugh> Have you read the HAL documentation? (Have you read any documentation?)
[17:07:23] <mevon> did not work better
[17:07:39] <mevon> yes tried to understand the basic of HAL
[17:07:58] <mevon> net is for creating net
[17:08:05] <mevon> or new connections
[17:08:23] <andypugh> My guess is that you don't have an axis.0...... pin because no HAL file loads the "motion" module.
[17:08:29] <mevon> and since i havent created nothing beforehand, i do not understand why it doesnt work
[17:08:48] <mevon> oh so the motion module is missing
[17:08:55] <andypugh> At a guess
[17:09:15] <mevon> in the sim ones there mentioning somekind of motion modules
[17:09:28] <mevon> and makes connection related to speed and accel
[17:09:29] <andypugh> How did you create the current HAL file?
[17:10:02] <mevon> custom.hal is given in the project zip file
[17:10:08] <mevon> mod it to my needs
[17:10:29] <andypugh> This is the way that that Arduino thing expects to be used.
[17:10:34] <mevon> the instruction.txt sasys to create the machine first with the stepconf
[17:11:01] <mevon> then add custom.hal in the ini
[17:11:23] <andypugh> 1) Create a config with stepconf. Don't pay much attention to exactly which parallel port pins you use, but you do need to connect up every step, direction, limit etc pin to some p-port pin or other.
[17:11:41] <andypugh> 2) Replace the default custom.hal with the new one.
[17:11:49] <andypugh> 4) Make profit.
[17:13:08] <mevon> andypugh, i have 6 limit switches so I need 6 inputs on parallel port can you help me with that please?
[17:13:40] <andypugh> Just add a second "pretend" parallel port
[17:13:57] <mevon> hummm ok nice ill try that
[17:14:42] <andypugh> Though that might not work, as the supplied "custom.hal" may assume shared switches.
[17:15:40] <andypugh> You might have to actually read both HAL files, and put the custom.hal changes into the main HAL. (ie, instead of making a net then deleting it, make it the right way in the first place)
[17:16:29] <mevon> ok want me to pastebin the custom.hal i have?
[17:16:37] <andypugh> My worry is that the whole thing might not work though. If the author had asked the LinuxCNC devs for advice it would probably have been "don't try"
[17:17:09] <andypugh> No, I want you to sort it out for yourself, and I can get back to the other LinuxCNC stuff I am working on.
[17:17:32] <mevon> ok thank you
[17:17:42] <andypugh> Every time you get a message it tells you what is wrong, you just need to work through the errors.
[17:18:03] <mevon> i removed the unlinks
[17:18:25] <mevon> what is the pyVCP panel?
[17:19:58] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html
[17:21:00] <mevon> thank you very much
[17:24:01] <Aero-Tec> I did the SMI update and now the jitter went from 100+K to 230+K
[17:24:34] <Aero-Tec> before wirh version 2.4 it went down to 38K or something
[17:24:59] <Aero-Tec> maybe 45K not sure but it was lower
[17:25:40] <Aero-Tec> why would the tester for 2.5 show a increase in jitter with the SMI changes?
[17:26:03] <Aero-Tec> also EMC complains as well
[17:26:50] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Did you change the right file?
[17:27:06] <Aero-Tec> I was wondering about that
[17:27:16] <andypugh> "which rtapi.conf"
[17:27:20] <Aero-Tec> but it was 100K before and now 230K
[17:27:33] <Aero-Tec> so something changed
[17:27:42] <andypugh> What did you change?
[17:28:10] <andypugh> Same Ubuntu, same kernel, just a new LinuxCNC?
[17:29:04] <Aero-Tec> I upgraded EMC to 2.5
[17:29:32] <Aero-Tec> no systems change or upgrade
[17:29:43] <Aero-Tec> amd yes the right file
[17:29:57] <mevon> seems like the MOTION is giving me errors I have a "joint 0 on limit switch error"
[17:30:06] <Aero-Tec> just checked the docs
[17:30:15] <andypugh> if you start linuxcnc then lsmod, do you see the smi module loaded?
[17:30:55] <Aero-Tec> will check
[17:31:01] <andypugh> mevon: Is joint 0 on the limit switch?
[17:31:07] <Aero-Tec> do I need to reboot computer?
[17:31:30] <Aero-Tec> I had run 2.4 and did not reboot after upgrade
[17:31:58] <andypugh> I don't see why it would be necessary, but it can't hurt
[17:32:05] <mevon> andypugh, Im affraid I cannot answer your question, I have 3 axis with 2 limit sw each, min and max
[17:32:51] <andypugh> LinuxCNC thinks that one of your limit switches is set. Is it?
[17:33:41] <mevon> humm not really
[17:33:59] <mevon> think it might be arduino firmware related
[17:34:41] <mevon> should probly send a first status string to the python driver
[17:34:47] <andypugh> You probably need to invert the sense of that input. Presumably the docs for the Arduino thing tell you how. Probably a setp command in the HAL file.
[17:34:55] <mevon> to set the sw states in the first place
[17:35:29] <mevon> how the sketch is made, sw status is sent before moving
[17:35:54] <mevon> so if no moves have been made, no status actualy exists
[17:36:22] <mevon> and status is sent only when diff from previous state
[17:36:44] <mevon> switches are not constently pooled
[17:36:59] <mevon> only e-stop and other controls are
[17:37:20] <mevon> guess its a flaw in the arduino
[17:37:49] <mevon> should send the sw status in setup()
[17:39:21] <Aero-Tec> looks like SMI is not loaded
[17:39:39] <Aero-Tec> I double checked the file and it looks good
[17:39:42] <andypugh> you are looking for rtapi_smi.ko
[17:40:05] <andypugh> You may have more than one rtapi.conf
[17:40:27] <Aero-Tec> etc/linuxcnc/rtapi.conf
[17:40:32] <andypugh> Is your system compiled run-in-place?
[17:40:52] <Aero-Tec> I used a live CD to install 2.4
[17:41:12] <Aero-Tec> I followed the upgrade instructions to upgrade to 2.5
[17:41:32] <Aero-Tec> does that mean it is live CD or run in place?
[17:41:34] <tjb1> Is there any benefit to 2.5?
[17:42:00] <Aero-Tec> not sure
[17:42:18] <Aero-Tec> there are some differences for sure
[17:42:45] <Aero-Tec> what does run in place mean?
[17:43:12] <Aero-Tec> and is mine that now with the upgrade?
[17:44:01] <andypugh> No, you only get run-in-place if you compile from source. It means everything is in a directory in your home, not all over the system disc
[17:44:17] <andypugh> sudo find / -name rtapi.conf
[17:44:43] <Aero-Tec> there are lots of them
[17:44:44] <andypugh> You probably have one in etc/emc and one in etc/linuxcnc
[17:44:50] <Aero-Tec> I did a few backups
[17:45:10] <Aero-Tec> most likely
[17:45:11] <andypugh> I would guess that rtapi is still looking at the /etc/emc one
[17:45:25] <Aero-Tec> but it shold be good
[17:45:35] <Aero-Tec> I had SMI running bafore
[17:45:41] <andypugh> (though that should still have your changes in, so perhaps not?)
[17:46:43] <andypugh> if you which rtapi.conf does it accidentally find one of your backups?
[17:47:03] <Aero-Tec> can I remote my windows computer here to the linux one in the shop?
[17:47:10] <Aero-Tec> would save running and time
[17:47:17] <andypugh> (Forget that, that probably won't work at all)
[17:47:39] <ipatrol> I have an issue trying to work with a GERBER file
[17:47:43] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Yeah, probably. I VNC into my workship computers all the time.
[17:48:23] <andypugh> ipatrol: There are utils to change gerber to G-code
[17:48:26] <Aero-Tec> is that hard to set up?
[17:48:46] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: I don't know, I don't use Windows
[17:48:51] <ipatrol> I have an old Boxford CNC machine, ever heard of it?
[17:49:00] <andypugh> (Except at work, where I don't get to configure stuff)
[17:49:20] <andypugh> Yes, Boxford are in my old home town.
[17:49:25] <ipatrol> funny
[17:49:42] <Aero-Tec> would VNC give remote desktop like access?
[17:49:46] <andypugh> Yes
[17:49:53] <ipatrol> www.boxford.co.uk
[17:50:04] <andypugh> That's the one. In Brighouse.
[17:50:23] <Valen> my dad has used VNC with the mill computer, even moved it around to use the webcam to look at a part on the bed
[17:50:28] <ipatrol> mabye the company is based there?
[17:50:30] <ipatrol> anyway
[17:51:41] <andypugh> We only really know anything about LinuxCNC, if you are still using the Boxford software then we probably have no clues.
[17:52:34] <ipatrol> no, Boxford is the manufacturer of the physical machine
[17:53:09] <ipatrol> I use KiCAD to lay out PCBs
[17:54:08] <andypugh> The Boxford machines come with a controller that takes G-code or their own CAM system and controlls the machine with a serial port. Has your machine been converted to LinuxCNC?
[17:54:48] <ipatrol> I can't find a controller for this machine
[17:55:15] <ipatrol> it seems to use an RS232 to send an undocumented binary file generated by their software
[17:55:24] <andypugh> Yes, it does.
[17:55:47] <ipatrol> I got the machine second-hand from a friend, not my choice
[17:56:10] <andypugh> I would pull out the original control board (6802 based, I think) and replace it with a Mini-ITX PC board. Keep the original motors and drives.
[17:56:48] <ipatrol> andypugh: any cost estimates on that?
[17:57:20] <andypugh> $200?
[17:57:35] <ipatrol> that's more than I paid him for!
[17:57:58] <andypugh> You got a bargain then, check the prices on eBay
[17:58:18] <ipatrol> I know what the new price it
[17:58:19] <ipatrol> *is
[17:58:39] <ipatrol> $100 in cash and a case of beer was what I paid
[17:59:27] <andypugh> I see a completed listing on eBay that sold at £4000 ($7000)
[17:59:50] <Aero-Tec> so any ideas why SMI is not being loaded?
[18:02:40] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: dmesg might say.
[18:03:08] <andypugh> Do a sudo dmesg -c to clear the buffer, then halrun, then exit, then look at dmesg
[18:05:59] <ipatrol_> since of course the company won't tell my, wgw/os
[18:10:45] <Aero-Tec> found it
[18:11:11] <Aero-Tec> dyslexic moment
[18:11:19] <Aero-Tec> small error
[18:11:59] <Aero-Tec> when EMC looks for module that is not there the jitter increases
[18:12:06] <ipatrol_> it's a 190VMCx-i
[18:12:22] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the help on this
[18:12:43] <ipatrol_> brb, plz hlp
[18:16:10] <Aero-Tec> ipatrol_: the guys here are good with EMC/linuxcnc
[18:17:35] <Aero-Tec> you can convert your cnc to linuxcnc and have a running machine or you can try to use the controller it came with and try to find someone that can help you get it running
[18:18:44] <Aero-Tec> but if you can get your $100 + beer machine running for $200 worth of stuff when that is a hell of a deal
[18:18:56] <Aero-Tec> $300 for a good working cnc
[18:19:24] <Aero-Tec> you would pay someone way more then that to get the old controller up and running
[18:20:48] <Aero-Tec> if we knew where you lived I would bet someone here that lived close to you would pay you $500 for it and put the $200 into it and be very glad
[18:23:13] <Aero-Tec> funny thing, if you paid $7000 for it, $200 more would be a good deal, but only paying $100 for it $200 seems to be to much to put into a $100 mchine
[18:24:18] <Aero-Tec> sounds like you got one hell of a deal, do not let $200 more stand in your way, you will make that back in a flash
[18:24:30] <JT-Shop> it's all reletive...
[18:27:03] <Aero-Tec> speaking of making money, time for me to go and make more chips
[18:27:58] <Aero-Tec> thanks to all the guys that have helped me get my mill and lathe running
[18:30:37] <Aero-Tec> ipatrol_: BTW I spent thousands buying motors, gear boxes, drivers, bobs and computers to make my mill and lathe CNC, $200 is extremely cheap
[18:46:35] <Aero-Tec> for some reson the lathe spindle speed is now acting up
[18:47:07] <Aero-Tec> jumping all over and maxing out most of the time
[18:47:22] <Aero-Tec> any idea what the problem can be?
[18:47:41] <Aero-Tec> checked the optos
[18:47:49] <Aero-Tec> the encoder
[18:48:01] <Aero-Tec> all looks good
[18:48:21] <Aero-Tec> 2.4 was solid worked well
[18:49:28] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop: any ideas why the spindle speed would be running goofy?
[18:50:18] <JT-Shop> spindle speed?
[18:54:10] <Aero-Tec> yes
[18:55:22] <JT-Shop> not enought information to formulate a guess
[18:56:08] <Aero-Tec> worked good with 2.4 but 2.5 is erratic
[18:56:20] <Aero-Tec> maxed out most of the time
[18:56:44] <JT-Shop> what is maxed out?
[18:58:02] <Aero-Tec> the bar display of speed
[19:01:34] <JT-Shop> andypugh: I love this "but you seem determined to ignore me. "
[19:02:01] <andypugh> Well, I have told him exactly how to do it, twice.
[19:06:08] <JT-Shop> must be your accent
[19:07:54] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM
[19:21:53] <Aero-Tec> so nothing in the setup or configuration can cause the spindle speed to go nuts?
[19:22:12] <JT-Shop> not anything that I know of
[19:22:27] <Aero-Tec> it bounces all over and maxes out the bar graph display
[19:22:31] <Aero-Tec> ok
[19:23:20] <Aero-Tec> will scope it and see if it is hardware
[19:26:12] <Aero-Tec> it was working so well in 2.4 and I did not touch anything in the hardware so I am not expecting to see a problem
[19:26:47] <ReadError> i think santa is bringing me a lathe ;)
[19:27:02] <ReadError> i hope his elves practice quality control
[19:30:34] <andypugh> Are they Chinese Elves?
[19:31:17] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: did you upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04 at the same time?
[19:31:25] <andypugh> He didn't
[19:31:28] <Aero-Tec> no
[19:31:38] <JT-Shop> ok shot in the dark
[19:31:56] <JT-Shop> not even a swag only a wag
[19:31:59] <andypugh> Does it still go crazy in the dark?
[19:32:53] <Aero-Tec> can check
[19:33:35] <andypugh> Optos normally have filters to block external light, though.
[19:55:32] * JT-Shop calls it a day and wanders inside
[19:55:34] <L84Supper> http://www.amazon.com/SainSmart-Router-Single-Stepper-Stepping/dp/B0093Y88SK/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1352856503&sr=1-7&keywords=Stepper+Motor+Driver
[19:55:38] <L84Supper> http://www.sainsmart.com/evaluation-board/cnc-router-single-1-axis-tb6560-3-5a-stepper-stepping-motor-driver-board.html
[19:55:39] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[19:55:47] <L84Supper> anyone ever use these??
[19:57:03] <andypugh> No, but it has much cheapness and you can replace them one at a time as they blow up.
[19:57:25] <JT-Shop> lol
[19:57:55] <andypugh> Right. Logging off time
[19:58:01] <JT-Shop> night
[19:59:13] <Aero-Tec> I checked
[19:59:19] <Aero-Tec> it is working now
[19:59:26] <Aero-Tec> with lights on
[19:59:56] <Aero-Tec> at first I tried with lights off
[20:00:16] <Aero-Tec> it worked and then with lights on
[20:00:27] <Aero-Tec> not sure what happened
[20:17:35] <Connor> jdh: You there?
[20:28:01] <Tom_itx> the stock sherline spindle control won't do reverse will it?
[20:28:22] <Tom_itx> does mesa have a driver that will run it? 90v dc motor
[20:28:43] <Tom_itx> so i can have reverse for rigid tapping
[20:29:35] <Connor> I'm using a SCR based speed controller for my G0704, it has dynamic breaking and a reversing relay..
[20:30:06] <Tom_itx> relay isn't the best way to go
[20:30:47] <Connor> It's designed that way.
[20:31:34] <Connor> http://www.kbelectronics.com/data_sheets/kbcc.pdf
[20:31:37] <Connor> that's what I have.
[20:33:30] <Tom_itx> does it tie to mains?
[20:39:11] <Connor> yes.
[20:39:21] <Tom_itx> http://www.sherline.com/reverse.htm
[20:39:23] <Connor> 120V AC in.
[20:39:26] <Tom_itx> wonder if that would work
[20:39:47] <Connor> simple DPDT switch on the DC Side, yea...
[20:39:56] <Connor> but, that's not automatic.
[20:40:02] <Tom_itx> rather have it controlled via software
[20:40:23] <Tom_itx> what'd your unit cost?
[20:40:37] <Connor> Around $100 from Ebay.
[20:40:59] <Tom_itx> have you done rigid tapping?
[20:41:03] <Connor> Not yet.
[20:41:12] <Connor> But, that was the plan.
[20:41:37] <Tom_itx> the other issue is, it's not a direct drive rather belt drive
[20:41:51] <Connor> I don't think it matters how long it takes to reverse though.. because everything on the Z movement is keyed off of the spindle movement.
[20:42:12] <Connor> As long as you put the encoder on the spindle itself, you should be good.
[20:42:19] <Tom_itx> it is
[20:42:24] <Tom_itx> it just has no index
[20:42:25] <Connor> then your good.
[20:42:35] <Connor> You'll need to add the index.
[20:42:46] <Connor> dinner time, back in a bit.
[20:52:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/Kxpch.jpg
[20:52:50] <r00t4rd3d> they sell like hot cakes
[21:05:39] <jdh> you sell them 3 at a time for $2.99?
[21:08:28] <r00t4rd3d> 1 at a time for 40
[21:18:56] <ReadError> whats it do?
[21:24:31] <r00t4rd3d> hold a phone
[21:25:02] <r00t4rd3d> a galaxy s II to be exact
[21:25:25] <jdh> needs a charging jack
[21:26:01] <r00t4rd3d> they are stands, not docks :D
[21:26:44] <r00t4rd3d> i made one just to have a clean place to set my phone in the garage
[21:28:48] <r00t4rd3d> the one i linked to i made out of scrap oak, end glued a few 1" rips together.
[21:28:57] <Connor> jdh: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=170855&amp;d=1352862367 http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=170856&amp;d=1352862367
[21:29:12] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=170857&amp;d=1352862367 http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=170858&amp;d=1352862367
[21:29:42] <Connor> I'll shoot a video of it in action in next few days.
[21:31:04] <jdh> cool
[21:31:23] <Connor> That shade is pretty thick material..
[21:32:23] <Connor> I think about the only way it would get damaged is if something got caught on the edge of it as the table was moving left/right. Or maybe a really hot chip were to hit it, which might melt through it.. since it is vinyl.
[21:33:52] <Connor> It's pre-tensioned about 5 turns. and I defeated the locking paws so it won't hang...
[22:45:44] <mevon> this thing is moving!
[22:46:44] * mevon sings "I like to move it, move it!"