#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-11-06

[02:01:05] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:41:35] <archivist> Aero-Tec, you should read http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WrappedRotaryAxes but test/make sure it is what you need
[03:32:54] <Valen> I'm thinking of this for my new mill computer http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dell-PE-2850-2U-Dual-Xeon-3-0-GHz-4-0-GB-2x-73-10K-Rack-Mount-server-A-/121013673206?pt=AU_Servers&hash=item1c2cfa1cf6&_uhb=1#ht_1814wt_907
[03:33:11] <Valen> the last dual xeon board I had posted the best latency numbers *in the world* lol
[03:34:02] <archivist> I had a xeon for a while never got it going and could not stand the fan noise
[03:34:35] <Valen> the dual xeon I had, the fans were ok but they had a nasty beat frequency
[03:34:55] <Valen> 1RU stuff is always noisy
[03:36:44] <archivist> I had a funny latency problem the last few days on a previously ok pc, started throwing 900000 latencies
[03:37:13] <Valen> hows the cpu temp?
[03:37:25] <Valen> also northbridge temp
[03:37:34] <archivist> that was when cold at switch on
[03:37:57] <Valen> it'll heat up in 20 seconds or so if the heatsink isn't seated propperly
[03:38:41] <Valen> and I've seen northbridges do stupid things
[03:38:54] <archivist> it didnt crash like thermal faults often cause
[03:39:21] <Valen> if its intel the CPU can overheat and often not crash
[03:39:41] <archivist> I needed to make some bits so went and changed the pc rather than fault find
[03:40:29] <archivist> I have an old Compaq that posts nice numbers even though it is very slow due to lack of memory
[03:41:42] <Valen> I had one customers computer running without a fan for about 6 months
[03:41:45] <Valen> not on purpose
[03:41:52] <Valen> reconnected fan all went well
[03:42:45] <archivist> the PC I am on now which is my web server needs its fan and heatsink cleaning as it hates getting warm
[03:43:45] <Valen> be wary with water cooling
[03:44:04] <archivist> I dont have any water cooled
[03:44:12] <Valen> my missus PC northbridge screwed up because it must have used the draft from the cpu fan
[03:45:48] <Valen> what is the video on your failing one?
[03:46:05] <Valen> I have seen gpu's die and reset themselves
[03:50:35] <archivist> I did change the video card and the fault remained
[03:51:47] <archivist> was some noname card put in a S3
[03:55:17] <Valen> you pissed off the computer fairys
[03:57:22] <archivist> they dont like living in a cold room
[03:57:32] <Valen> normally they do
[05:06:05] <r00t4rd3d> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardMicro
[05:06:13] <r00t4rd3d> another new arduino
[05:06:41] <r00t4rd3d> looks like a copy of the Teensy
[05:14:33] <r00t4rd3d> actually is more expensive then a Teensy 2.0 with less features.
[05:23:13] <r00t4rd3d> I drool over this site: http://www.exoticwoodsusa.com/
[05:29:48] <r00t4rd3d> anyone voting for magic underpants today?
[06:05:38] <jthornton> anyone use a mac and have a couple of minutes to test something for me?
[06:08:02] <psha[work]> r00t4rd3d: whee, nice wood
[06:08:10] <r00t4rd3d> thanks
[06:08:18] <r00t4rd3d> oh you are talking about the site.
[06:09:48] <r00t4rd3d> I wish I lived closer to one so I could visit in person.
[08:50:01] <r00t4rd3d> Android desk dock: http://i.imgur.com/cj5T2.jpg
[09:27:05] <yoyoek1> hi
[11:09:58] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hsL5rrAF1g
[11:18:49] <pcw_home> Hmm that looks relatively terrible. I wonder if thats display related or they are clearing the line before re-drawing it
[11:18:51] <pcw_home> (you should just overwrite the data, not clear it)
[11:29:49] <skunkworks> I thought maybe it was related to andys work
[11:38:46] <pcw_home> Yes, probably using Andy's LCD comp. I haven't had time to try it yet
[11:40:40] <jensor> In the ini file, Axis section, what is MIN_LIMIT referenced to? In other words if it is set to 1 unit.
[11:41:15] <jensor> This would mean 1 unit from where?
[11:41:46] <jensor> The homing switch or work reference?
[11:42:22] <jdh> from home, wherever you set home to be.
[11:47:02] <yoyoek1> are there some users mgcodegeneratora?
[12:10:03] <jensor> I am setup on a Bridgeport mill and having trouble using G28 to position for a manual tool change.
[12:10:32] <jensor> For example if I set parameter 5153 to 0, G28 moves to work piece surface.
[12:11:05] <jensor> If I set parameter 5153 to .09, G28 moves to .09 above work piece surface.
[12:11:12] <cradek> you should use g30, because there's support for doing that move automatically during tool change.
[12:11:23] <cradek> and it's easiest to set it using g30.1
[12:11:51] <jensor> If I set parameter 5153 to .15, as soon as I begin to run the .ngc file I get a
[12:11:52] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[12:11:56] <jensor> message that says program exceeds machine maximum.
[12:12:20] <cradek> but aside from that, it sounds like you are not homing properly. how are you homing the machine?
[12:12:27] <IchGuckLive> jensor: is the mashine homed
[12:12:47] <cradek> you must get homing and axis limits set properly before you worry about any of this
[12:13:02] <jensor> HOME_OFFSET = 0.01
[12:13:19] <IchGuckLive> inch or mm
[12:13:19] <jensor> HOME_SEARCH_VEL = .2
[12:13:36] <jensor> HOME_LATCH_VEL = -0.03
[12:13:56] <jensor> HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
[12:14:13] <jensor> HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS = YES
[12:14:28] <jensor> HOME_SEQUENCE = 0
[12:14:36] <jensor> inch
[12:14:59] <jensor> homing works fine
[12:15:10] <cradek> so you're not using home switches or index? how do you position the machine before homing?
[12:15:28] <jensor> yes I am using switches
[12:15:52] <IchGuckLive> MIN_LIMIT = MAX_LIMIT in ini
[12:16:35] <lwizardl> how much does your cnc machine electricity cost you roughly ? I know that would be a tough question due to the how long you run it, how large of a power supply you use, etc
[12:17:17] <IchGuckLive> i spend 400Eur a month on Electricity for 26 CNC
[12:17:25] <jensor> my MIN_LIMIT = -4.6
[12:17:53] <jensor> My MAX_LIMIT = .1
[12:18:33] <IchGuckLive> and where is your HOME
[12:19:02] <jensor> I assume that this being a soft limit would keep it .1 inch from switch
[12:19:37] <IchGuckLive> your homeswitch is in MAX or Min
[12:19:37] <jensor> HOME = 0
[12:20:26] <jensor> home switch is at top of travel which is the positive direction
[12:21:05] <IchGuckLive> i see
[12:21:11] <IchGuckLive> Z Axis i assume
[12:22:32] <jensor> yes
[12:23:15] <IchGuckLive> DID you clear all coordinat systems
[12:24:01] <IchGuckLive> i think there is a number in some offset
[12:24:35] <jensor> Sequence is move up, overshoot switch, slowly move down to switch, rapid down to offset
[12:24:45] <IchGuckLive> or maybe your NGC holds a Z positive
[12:25:22] <jensor> Parameter 5163 I set to a positive
[12:25:26] <IchGuckLive> plese after Homing move 1 inch down and set this to Zero Z then reload the NGC
[12:25:56] <IchGuckLive> best for you is to delete the EMC.val and restart the mashine
[12:26:07] <IchGuckLive> so everything is cleared
[12:26:42] <IchGuckLive> as hooming is alright
[12:27:20] <jensor> ok I'll try that
[12:27:39] <IchGuckLive> jensor: where are you from #
[12:27:43] <IchGuckLive> State
[12:27:53] <IchGuckLive> im From Germany
[12:28:21] <IchGuckLive> PCW ?
[12:32:04] <IchGuckLive> jensor: if there is a var.bak delete this also
[12:33:16] <IchGuckLive> the files are in your mashine name config folder under linuxcnc configs
[12:34:21] <IchGuckLive> @ all in the UK you can BET on if the NewPresident is named bevor X-mas or later
[12:35:05] <IchGuckLive> jensor: ? how is it going
[12:38:14] <jensor> Just tried closing emc2 then deleting .var restarted emc2
[12:38:40] <jensor> tried to run program and get msg about exceeding limits
[12:39:11] <jensor> Oh I didn't delete var.bak
[12:39:20] <jensor> I'll redo
[12:39:25] <IchGuckLive> delete all var
[12:39:34] <IchGuckLive> you need to hoome again
[12:43:34] <jensor> deleted var and var.bak restarted emc , homed z, set z 0 about 2 inches down
[12:44:02] <jensor> started pgm and still get exceed z limits
[12:44:43] <IchGuckLive> show us your G-code
[12:45:09] <jdh> but just the Z lines :)
[12:45:45] <IchGuckLive> ther must be somwhere a move Z >2
[12:46:02] <IchGuckLive> Z safty maybe at 2.5
[12:48:00] <jensor> Yes g28 should move to whats in parameter 5163
[12:48:14] <IchGuckLive> remove this G28
[12:48:31] <IchGuckLive> stay in Gcode inside the G54
[12:48:31] <jensor> Then I won't have a problem
[12:53:35] <jensor> <IchGuckLive> How can I show you the g code
[12:53:52] <IchGuckLive> pastebin
[12:54:35] <IchGuckLive> http://pastebin.com/
[12:55:47] <jensor> ok its there under name of sink strainer
[12:56:05] <jdh> paste the link
[12:56:09] <IchGuckLive> yes
[12:56:16] <IchGuckLive> please
[12:56:22] <jensor> ok
[12:57:08] <jensor> Form my url line
[12:57:11] <jensor> http://pastebin.com/SxG1jTrb
[13:00:04] <IchGuckLive> G0 Z#<_ToolZ wher is this
[13:00:41] <jensor> defined in line 23
[13:02:08] <IchGuckLive> #<_ToolZ> = 2 there is your 2
[13:03:11] <jensor> yes I want the g28 to put it there becuz of line 27
[13:04:55] <IchGuckLive> as i said bevor somwhere it trevelt to the max
[13:05:15] <IchGuckLive> try to Touch of at -2.5 from the hoome
[13:05:35] <jensor> ok
[13:06:16] <IchGuckLive> or only for sim use a simulation mashine so you se where it ends up
[13:09:32] <jensor> touched off 4 inches below home
[13:09:40] <jensor> still get same result
[13:11:30] <IchGuckLive> it runs here perfect
[13:12:04] <jensor> how does your setup home
[13:12:31] <IchGuckLive> let me see how far it goes and where
[13:12:41] <IchGuckLive> i used sim Axis mm
[13:13:08] <jdh> have you run other code on this machine with the same general size that works properly?
[13:13:31] <jensor> yes just never used G28 before
[13:14:12] <IchGuckLive> if you reduse line 23 to 1 what hapens
[13:14:41] <jensor> my version of axis is 2.3.0
[13:14:49] <IchGuckLive> oh
[13:14:55] <Tom_itx> yay, new travers catalog arrived
[13:14:56] <IchGuckLive> 2.6pre here
[13:15:09] <IchGuckLive> jensor: what OS
[13:15:17] <IchGuckLive> 8.04 ?
[13:15:47] <jensor> how do I tell
[13:18:51] <jensor> I can reduce line to .09 before it runs ok only then g28 puts it tool .09 above touch off
[13:21:01] <IchGuckLive> jensor: in consol uname -r
[13:21:22] <jensor> whats that mean
[13:22:17] <Tom_itx> type it in in a terminal
[13:22:31] <Tom_itx> or lcnc console
[13:22:33] <IchGuckLive> then we can see what version you got
[13:22:40] <jensor> ok
[13:23:50] <IchGuckLive> cat /etc/*release this will give also the version
[13:24:21] <jensor> 2.6.15-magma
[13:26:16] <IchGuckLive> cat /etc/*release ???
[13:26:22] <IchGuckLive> what does this say
[13:26:35] <IchGuckLive> DISTRIB_CODENAME=
[13:27:36] <IchGuckLive> Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger
[13:29:54] <jensor> DISTRIB_CODENAME=dapper
[13:30:17] <cradek> wow. what emc version?
[13:30:25] <IchGuckLive> 2.3
[13:30:37] <IchGuckLive> so im off
[13:30:50] <IchGuckLive> cradek you are in
[13:33:03] <jensor> So am I being abandoned?
[13:36:48] <cradek> jensor: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OldReleases
[13:36:59] <cradek> I see tool-change-at-g30 was broken in 2.3.0 (see 2.3.5 fixes)
[13:38:28] <jensor> I was using G28, not G30, Would the problem extend to G28?
[13:38:41] <cradek> sorry, it's too long ago for me to remember the details
[13:39:23] <cradek> there is no conceivable reason you should be running 2.3.0 though. there is barely a reason you might still be running 2.3.5! those bugfix releases are for a reason.
[13:40:45] <jensor> I got dropped but now nack
[13:42:21] <jensor> <credek> Are you suggesting that I upgrade to new release
[13:42:44] <jensor> Give me a link to do that or how do I go about that
[13:45:28] <jdh> I'd save configs/code/etc someplace safe then do a fresh install off the livecd, then update linuxcnc
[13:46:14] <cradek> you can probably just run the update manager like normal
[13:46:39] <cradek> if we haven't broken the dapper repos in the last 4 years :-/
[13:47:05] <cradek> reinstalling the OS would be a very silly thing to do, unless you intend to move to the latest OS
[13:47:51] <jensor> My system has been working so well, I don't want to risk messing it up just to get G28 working properly
[13:48:46] <cradek> I don't know if G28 is broken or if you are doing something wrong. If you were running a more modern version I would know. I know that sucks to hear, I'm sorry, but it's tough to help you with a 2009 release.
[13:51:19] <jensor> I had to get help to modify the op system to make the pc work s far as latency. So I don't want anything to mess withnthe operating system or kernal.
[13:51:52] <jensor> So would I be risking that?
[13:52:19] <cradek> you can run the update manager and uncheck everything but the emc2 update
[13:53:12] <jensor> ok will do. Will I have to make any adjustments to the ini files?
[13:54:09] <JT-Shop> jensor: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
[13:54:30] <cradek> jensor: you oughta read through the release notes to be sure: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OldReleases
[13:54:42] <jensor> thanks
[13:54:44] <cradek> JT-Shop: he is just updating his 2.3 to 2.3.5
[13:55:01] <cradek> 2.5 doesn't even run on dapper (2006 ubuntu release)
[13:55:13] <JT-Shop> Ok, I missed that
[13:55:57] <cradek> 2.3 is the last series available for dapper
[13:57:50] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/anvil/images/anvil-stand-06.jpg
[13:58:11] <JT-Shop> might make more sense right way up http://gnipsel.com/shop/anvil/images/anvil-stand-04.jpg
[13:58:51] <jensor> I see this on release notes:stepconf: fix direction of 2nd and 3rd parports
[13:59:09] <cradek> JT-Shop: you're supposed to cut off a tree and mount it to the stump.
[13:59:20] <cradek> JT-Shop: all you need is a tree in the right place.
[13:59:34] <JT-Shop> did that and it was too hard to move and made too much noise
[13:59:50] <cradek> really, this is quieter??
[14:00:12] <jensor> I see that on the release notes: stepconf: fix direction of 2nd and 3rd parports
[14:00:26] <JT-Shop> yes, the frame is 1/4" wall tubing and I have some 1/8" CI sheet under the anvil feet
[14:00:39] <jensor> Doe that mean I will have to make changes to my ini?
[14:02:10] <cradek> do you have 2 or 3 parports?
[14:02:18] <jensor> 3
[14:02:23] <cradek> wow!
[14:02:35] <jensor> one on each asxis
[14:02:54] <cradek> I don't know - sounds like you probably didn't use stepconf anyway?
[14:03:38] <jensor> I assume stepconf has to do with steppers and that is what I use
[14:04:22] <cradek> stepconf is the gui that generates the ini etc files
[14:05:53] <jensor> I don't recall using that so it's probly not an issue in my case
[14:06:55] <jensor> Thanks , I'll attempt the upgrade with the package manager
[14:07:47] <jensor> Bye
[15:21:15] <Jymmm> DUMBASS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI4d5AeAi7g&feature=related
[15:26:30] <archivist> cradek, what is the oldest version still cutting metal? I know 2.2.8 is, upstairs on my 5 axis :)
[16:06:00] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[18:10:15] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=mSbd18u9p4Q
[18:14:57] <andypugh> That's just not sensible
[18:15:23] <pfred1> yeah the music was terrible
[18:15:25] <Valen> must have cruise controll i guess
[18:15:33] <JT-Shop> I concur
[18:15:46] <JT-Shop> or a friction lock on the throttle
[18:16:04] <Valen> I want to make a cruise controll for my missus bike
[18:16:27] <andypugh> I think this guy has more raw talent: http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=34577
[18:19:24] <JT-Shop> try that on a 900lb goldwing
[18:19:42] <andypugh> He probably could,
[18:19:56] <JT-Shop> he is good for sure
[18:20:17] <Valen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKWoPlL2B8I&feature=endscreen&NR=1 some cool in here
[18:23:04] <JT-Shop> syyl: that setup block you showed yesterday is that all hand made?
[18:23:12] <JT-Shop> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/Aufspannw%C3%BCrfel/IMG_0987.JPG
[18:25:25] <Valen> time to go replace some brakes
[18:38:10] <asdfasd> JT-Shop the above video Crazy guy doing insane stunts on bike is from my country - Bulgaria haha
[18:38:33] <JT-Shop> cool, he has some real balance
[18:39:02] <asdfasd> almost unreal :)
[18:39:46] <JT-Shop> aye amazing how he is always in touch with his postion and velocity
[18:40:04] <asdfasd> I was surprised when he look back
[18:40:17] <asdfasd> I cant do that even with a car haha
[18:41:22] <JT-Shop> I did the one where he put the tail end on the ground back in '68 but had to buy a new tail light lense for my Honda 50 SuperSport
[18:42:00] <micges> logger[mah]: hi
[18:42:00] <logger[mah]> micges: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2012-11-07.html
[18:45:53] <asdfasd> I dont remeber the name but there a some kind of skill, some people have amaising sense of balance and feeling for the exact position of the body and limbs
[18:47:08] <JT-Shop> I have an amazing sense that I have completed the falling part of balance...
[18:47:23] <asdfasd> hahah nice :)
[18:47:51] <JT-Shop> works well in icy conditions
[18:48:30] <asdfasd> it is bed time, good night
[18:49:04] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[18:54:59] <asdfasd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrGBmjtOKlM&feature=relmfu
[18:58:51] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnFZsrs32Co
[19:01:07] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/anvil/images/anvil-stand-07.jpg
[19:02:06] <Tom_itx> i made an anvil from some rr track one time
[19:02:32] <JT-Shop> http://s307.beta.photobucket.com/user/BrianRupnow/media/CONTINUATION%20OF%20MAIN%20ALBUM1/ATKINSONRUNNINGTHEPUMP.mp4.html
[19:55:48] <pfred1> I have a regular anvil
[19:56:25] <pfred1> kind of a small one I think it was probably a cavalry one or something
[20:20:24] <Gabriel__> While compiling a .comp file with comp, I got the following error:
[20:20:36] <Gabriel__> File "../bin/comp", line 404, in parse
[20:20:42] <Gabriel__> a, b = f.split("\n;;\n", 1)
[20:20:48] <Gabriel__> ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack
[20:21:36] <Gabriel__> This issue was resolved by changing the line a, b = f.split("\n;;\n", 1) for a, b = f.split("\n;;", 1) in the comp python script
[20:21:52] <Gabriel__> Maybe this can help someone else.
[22:27:43] <r00t4rd3d> yay, no magic underpants for president.
[22:30:45] <r00t4rd3d> cnn saying obama won.
[22:57:08] <cradek> r00t4rd3d: BREAKING: Man Who Told Half the Nation to Fuck Themselves Somehow Loses Election
[23:02:22] <r00t4rd3d> did you actually copy and paste that from somewhere?