#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-10-28

[00:31:17] <teb_> good evening everyone
[00:32:17] <teb_> is there a way to run the app in squeeze without the realtime kernel module? I just wanna use it for simulation propuses in this pc
[02:39:08] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:49:11] <theos> o/
[04:06:40] <JesusAlos> hello
[04:07:38] <JesusAlos> there are a similar software like LazyCam to EMC2?
[04:12:14] <JesusAlos> Hi?
[04:14:31] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[04:23:04] <mrsun> JesusAlos, the cam software isnt tied to the control software i guess :P so any cam should work as long as it got post processor for linuxcnc
[04:23:24] <awallin> lazycam might work under wine, have you tried?
[04:25:47] <JesusAlos> but i need a postprocessor for emc2
[04:26:28] <JesusAlos> I dont think that use a Wine is good idea for industrials professinal porpouse
[04:26:33] <awallin> those can usually be hacked/tuned by yourself. only an evil cam company would keep the post-processor format secret
[04:27:01] <awallin> There is no free industrial professional CAM solution on linux. your patches are welcome.
[04:28:54] <JesusAlos> what is better software Match3 or EMC2?
[04:29:26] <mrsun> you ask this in the linuxcnc channel ? :P
[04:29:36] <mrsun> the software emc2 is called linuxcnc =)
[04:29:58] <mrsun> i guess both has their strengths and weaknesses
[04:30:02] <Jymmm> JesusAlos: You walk into a chevy dealer and ask which is better; ford or chevy?
[04:30:08] <mrsun> linuxcnc seems more flexible
[04:30:13] <mrsun> and isnt that hard to use
[04:30:37] <mrsun> mach3 is in true windows spirit cluttery and seems harder to configure to your exact needs =)
[04:31:17] <archivist> linuxcnc and can drive servos properly and do screw cutting and solid tapping
[04:32:09] <JesusAlos> but match3 graphical environment seems more complete
[04:32:22] <Jymmm> O_o
[04:32:35] <JesusAlos> and has its own cam cae
[04:33:05] <mrsun> it all depends on your needs
[04:33:09] <mrsun> like always
[04:33:32] <mrsun> if you want to rape your mind with windows, use mach3 if you want the smooth saililng of linux use linuxcnc :P
[04:33:47] <JesusAlos> I use linuxcnc in my machines
[04:33:48] <mrsun> omg
[04:33:53] <mrsun> that sentance i built totaly wrong :P
[04:33:59] * Jymmm hands mrsun a shovel
[04:34:20] <mrsun> Jymmm, who am i going to hit ?
[04:34:20] <JesusAlos> but a customer need simple cad editor with cam to linuxcnc
[04:34:35] <mrsun> JesusAlos, 3d ? 2.5d ? 2d ?
[04:34:36] <JesusAlos> for open dxf files and export to gcode
[04:34:47] <Jymmm> mrsun: That's to dig yourself of all that crap you just piled on =)
[04:34:53] <JesusAlos> D
[04:34:56] <JesusAlos> 3d
[04:34:58] <mrsun> Jymmm, =)
[04:35:10] <Jymmm> G'Night folks!
[04:36:39] <JesusAlos> i don't have a good solution for the problem
[04:36:58] <mrsun> most 3d cams costs =)
[04:37:08] <mrsun> have not yet seen a good free solution
[04:37:46] <mrsun> anyways, need to start to get some work going ..
[04:55:22] <JesusAlos> Eny idea? I need a software CAD CAM. can create a 2D simple drawings, import dxf files and convert to gcode for linuxcnc
[05:22:33] <jthornton> qcad and sheetcam
[06:10:12] <JesusAlos> dear jthornton:
[06:10:37] <JesusAlos> the sheetcam can't create route for eps foam cut
[06:11:03] <jthornton> morning, why is that?
[06:11:44] <JesusAlos> 2 axis machine. The route no must intersect
[06:12:14] <jthornton> X and Y axis?
[06:12:19] <JesusAlos> yes
[06:13:22] <jthornton> the route is determined by your dxf correct?
[06:13:30] <JesusAlos> yes
[06:13:50] <JesusAlos> no
[06:13:52] <jthornton> sheetcam only converts the dxf path to g code
[06:13:59] <jthornton> please explain
[06:14:30] <JesusAlos> the drawing is determined by dxf file. The route determine sheetcam
[06:15:01] <JesusAlos> the jump in to different boxes, cross one box
[06:15:21] <JesusAlos> it seems work like 3 axis
[06:15:42] <jthornton> ah the move to the start position, yes I understand that now
[06:16:00] <jthornton> that needs to be part of the dxf file
[06:19:27] <alex_joni> you can select different types of lead-in in sheetcam
[06:19:49] <alex_joni> but it they don't suit you, just draw the lead-in in the dxf, and select no lead-in in sheetcam
[06:20:38] <JesusAlos> but is more job crete lead-in with dxf
[06:20:56] <alex_joni> sure it is
[06:21:05] <JesusAlos> can't run like 2 axis machine?
[06:22:26] <jthornton> you could write your own dxf to g code converter
[06:27:15] <JesusAlos> some body know how i can contact with Ickgucklive
[06:28:06] <jthornton> mailing list?
[06:30:48] <andypugh> Single-step mode with a delay function between program-is-paused and program run?
[06:31:23] <JesusAlos> No
[06:31:48] <JesusAlos> pcw_home recomend create a regulable decelerator bar
[06:31:48] <andypugh> that's the best idea i could come up with in my sleep.
[06:31:59] <JesusAlos> :)
[06:33:24] <JesusAlos> is possible do this?
[06:36:16] <andypugh> I haven't tried. Give me a few minutes.
[06:37:40] <JesusAlos> ok
[06:42:20] <JesusAlos> jthornton: how i can view the mailing list
[06:42:36] <JesusAlos> i registered but can't see eny mailing list
[06:42:46] <andypugh> Look a the "community" link on the main web pahe
[06:43:36] <jthornton> you could post your question to the mailing list asking him to contact you
[06:44:19] <JesusAlos> ok.
[06:48:16] <andypugh> Do you perhaps just need more wire tension?
[06:49:11] <JesusAlos> no
[06:49:20] <JesusAlos> the tension is enougt
[06:49:53] <JesusAlos> AndyPugh, belive me, is a very professional machine. Good mechanical
[06:50:16] <JesusAlos> We have experiencie with cut foam
[06:50:32] <JesusAlos> visit my web site www.alosindustrials.com
[06:54:46] <andypugh> I have been playing about with single-step mode. There are problems. One problem is that it pauses on every line, not just every movement.
[06:55:19] <JesusAlos> :(
[06:55:36] <andypugh> And I can't see a HAL pin that changes state when it is waiting.
[06:56:12] <jthornton> why not just put the proper F for corners if you need to slow down for them
[06:56:39] <andypugh> I think you could probably watch the motion.program-line pin, and feed-hold for a length of time any time it changes.
[06:57:28] <andypugh> jthornton: Well, that is what I have been trying to say, that if you want a pause, it needs to be in the G-code.
[06:57:54] <andypugh> Especially as many moves probably have no need for a pause.
[06:58:05] <jthornton> right
[07:00:54] <andypugh> JesusAlos: The screen shot on the web site seems to indicate that you are running a Windows controller?
[07:05:49] <JesusAlos> yes in this case. In other versión runs linux with linuxcnc
[07:06:56] <andypugh> Can the Windows version pause?
[07:10:19] <andypugh> LinuxCNC can be configured to pass every program file through a filter before running it.
[07:10:53] <JesusAlos> the windows version only cut in continuous mode
[07:11:08] <JesusAlos> no need pauses
[07:11:21] <JesusAlos> is a cut line machine
[07:11:34] <JesusAlos> now i do a pantograpfh machine
[07:11:39] <andypugh> I can imagine a filter program that looked at the program line by line, and if the direction between the current G1 G2 or G3 was different to the next one, then it inserts a G4 pause of a length proportional to the acutneness of the angle.
[07:13:28] <andypugh> But, it might be easier to do that in the DXF conversion program.
[07:14:25] <andypugh> I think you can configure LinuxCNC so that you open an actual DXF file in Axis, which is then passed to dxf2gcode, and then you could alter dxf2gcode to put the pauses in.
[07:15:17] <JesusAlos> other manufacturers do this. Look a screen shot. red circle image. http://www.alosindustrials.com//Pause_.jpg
[07:16:12] <JesusAlos> the operator can move the bar online while cut
[07:16:41] <JesusAlos> they use a galil control
[07:17:06] <andypugh> The variable length pause is fairly easy if there are pause commands in the G-code.
[07:17:23] <archivist> You can program linuxcnc to do whatever you want
[07:19:23] <andypugh> I think that is more an "it is possible to" not a "you can"
[07:19:34] <Spida> :-)
[07:19:44] <jthornton> galil doesn't have any GUI's they are all made by the integrator
[07:21:34] <jthornton> galil control boards simply take a two letter mnemonic from the GUI
[07:24:16] <andypugh> But back to archivist's point. You have access to all the LinuxCNC source code. If you wanted to you could modify it (or pay a programmer to modify it) to add a pause beween every motion command. What you are asking for is like a special case od "exact stop mode" G61.1
[07:27:12] <archivist> like add a G61.2 Exact Stop and dwell mode
[07:27:30] <andypugh> But, this will put a pause between every movement. Depending on what the CAM program produces you might find that some curves are made of many straight lines, and you most definitely do not want a pause at the end of each of those.
[07:28:05] <archivist> so far better to fix your cam to add any delays you want
[07:28:47] <JesusAlos-> ok
[07:29:04] <JesusAlos-> a good programmer in uk?
[07:30:35] <JesusAlos-> i think that's no easy
[07:31:40] <Theta9> hey lars
[07:32:47] <andypugh> I am sure there are programmers in Spain?
[07:33:39] <JesusAlos-> i don't know why
[07:34:24] <JesusAlos-> sorry who
[07:36:30] <andypugh> How do you produce your G-code now?
[07:38:54] <JesusAlos-> in the cut line machine i dont need gcode
[07:39:33] <JesusAlos-> in the cnc machine use vcarve
[07:40:51] <archivist> you can ask vcarve supplier about adjusting the post processor
[07:42:17] <andypugh> I think the most transparent way to do it would be with a filter.
[07:42:18] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#_filter_section_a_id_sub_filter_section_a
[07:42:22] <JesusAlos-> but the vcarve generate the gcode and i dont need pause into the gcode
[07:43:01] <andypugh> You open a normal G-code file, and the filter adds a call to a variable-length pause routine after every G1 G2 or G3 move.
[07:45:05] <andypugh> (If it was allowed, you could remap G1 g2 and G3 to include a pause, but those are outside the scope of the remapping scheme)
[07:48:52] <jthornton> seems like G2/3 would need a different F depending on the radius and each direction change for G1 something different
[07:51:13] <andypugh> I am still working on solving the problem as asked.
[07:52:16] * jthornton goes back to python sqlite fun
[07:52:32] <andypugh> The spindle-override slider looks to be spare in a hotwire. That could be used to adjust the pause. (it has a halui hal pin)
[07:53:38] <andypugh> It could probably be renamed with a simple .axisrc command.
[07:55:45] <archivist> is this the same compensation micges uses for laser kerf control
[07:58:35] <andypugh> Hmm, now you mention it...
[07:58:54] <archivist> he did a wiki page
[08:00:16] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LaserBeamCompensation
[08:00:26] <andypugh> Not quite the same
[08:40:37] <andypugh> JesusAlos-: http://imagebin.org/233623
[08:41:22] <Jymmm> Mornin andypugh
[08:41:26] <andypugh> That's only the easyiest part though, editing /usr/share/axis/tcl/axis/tcl file
[09:25:37] <jthornton> andypugh, you did that in axisrc?
[09:25:55] <andypugh> No, I couldn't figure that out.
[09:26:50] <andypugh> widgets.spinoverride.configure(label="Corner Pause:") almost, but not quite, works in .axisrc
[09:33:18] <jthornton> looks like my mack converter is getting a workout today :)
[09:57:58] <archivist> dont see many of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Burgmaster-2B-Turret-Drilling-Tapping-Machine-auto-index-6-position-turret-/181008101669?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a24ec7125
[10:02:24] <JesusAlos-> hi. i'm family lunch. sorry for no answer
[10:02:55] <JesusAlos-> i write from mobile telephone
[10:10:16] <JesusAlos-> andypugh: really it works?
[10:10:38] <andypugh> No, it doesn't _do_ anything
[10:10:56] <JesusAlos-> :)
[10:11:08] <ReadError> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1427848145/build-your-own-laser-cutter?ref=live
[10:11:10] <ReadError> not bad...
[10:11:17] <JesusAlos-> is only grafical bar
[10:11:21] <andypugh> But that slider changes the halui.spindle.oveeride pin, and that could be used to control a pause routine.
[10:12:01] <alex4nder> hey
[10:12:07] <ReadError> sup
[10:12:17] <andypugh> It's quite easy to make an M100 code that will pause for the time set by that slider.
[10:12:17] <JesusAlos-> hi
[10:12:18] <alex4nder> nada, waking up
[10:12:28] <alex4nder> ReadError: how's the mill?
[10:12:30] <ReadError> i been up since 7
[10:12:36] <ReadError> but not awake until like 30 mins ago
[10:12:39] <andypugh> The gap in the process is getting the G-code to want to pause.
[10:12:43] <ReadError> all is good alex4nder
[10:12:47] <ReadError> i want to get a 4th axis ;0
[10:13:00] <alex4nder> me too
[10:13:11] <ReadError> theres gotta be some chinese place to get something good cheap
[10:13:18] <ReadError> the chinese are very good at making things cheap
[10:13:22] <ReadError> inexpensive*
[10:14:50] <Tom_itx> andypugh what's involved in the single step mode getting to execute a delay and continue?
[10:21:36] <andypugh> Tom_itx: As far as I can see there isn't a HAL pin that indicates that the motion is paused and waiting for the next step.
[10:21:57] <andypugh> (Plus that pauses at the end of every single program line)
[10:22:47] <Tom_itx> not sure he'll find an elegant answer
[10:27:17] <andypugh> I think the idea of a simple filte file is the best.
[11:19:16] <IchGuckLive> what a storm towards the estcost http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/TC.html
[11:22:02] <jdh> "better them than me"
[11:22:06] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive are you on the east coast?
[11:22:56] <Tom_itx> looks like it will miss atlanta
[11:23:04] <jdh> and then some.
[11:23:27] <tjb1> Why doesnt Enco load >:(
[11:23:32] <Tom_itx> will still screw up flights there though
[11:23:38] <tjb1> Tom_itx: Im in PA
[11:23:45] <tjb1> Fun times to be had coming up
[11:24:00] <Tom_itx> it's just wind and water
[11:24:22] <jdh> aren't you way inland?
[11:24:36] <tjb1> Well PA itself is inland
[11:25:00] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure they really know about wind out east
[11:25:16] <jdh> ?
[11:25:17] <Tom_itx> 30mph is a mild day here
[11:26:15] <Tom_itx> you could see more dust than clouds from space the other day
[11:26:17] <jdh> vs. 12-24 hrs of sustained 75-100mph?
[11:26:41] <Tom_itx> at least they know it's coming
[11:26:49] <Tom_itx> well in advance
[11:27:11] <Tom_itx> tornados aren't that predictable
[11:27:37] <jdh> yeah, no tornadoes in the east.
[11:27:53] <tjb1> I just got text from school that they closed already
[11:27:53] <jdh> well, none around here in month or two anyway
[11:27:58] <tjb1> no school monday and tuesday
[11:28:21] <Tom_itx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensburg,_Kansas
[11:29:35] <Tom_itx> 1.7 mi wide, 205 mph
[11:29:54] <jdh> look nasty. This storm has only killed 4x as many people so far.
[11:30:09] <Tom_itx> most probably drowned?
[11:30:44] <jdh> up to 6x as many now.
[11:31:12] <jdh> generally killed by flying/falling objects
[11:31:23] <Tom_itx> so take cover?
[11:31:30] <jdh> heh
[11:31:41] <jdh> I don't think you really understand wind
[11:31:43] <Tom_itx> or ignore the warnings
[11:31:47] <Tom_itx> yes i do
[11:32:17] <Tom_itx> we had clear day winds that bent large metal interstate signs clear over
[11:32:50] <Tom_itx> ours are just not as widespread as a hurricane
[11:34:31] <Tom_itx> i was in savannah on a 'windy' day with the beaches closed and i didn't think it was so bad
[11:34:41] <Tom_itx> went swimming
[11:35:45] <jdh> what is 'windy'?
[11:36:04] <Tom_itx> i dunno what it was that day but they'd issued warnings
[11:36:15] <Tom_itx> not gale force winds for sure
[11:36:59] <jdh> this storm is not really close to me, but we have 40kt+ winds and 20+ft waves
[11:37:39] <Tom_itx> seems the waves are almost as bad as the wind there
[11:38:38] <jdh> Floyd dumped 18-24 inches of rain with 100mph sustained winds for hours.
[11:39:24] <jdh> heh, the wind has died down at the beach and the surfers are all out
[11:39:37] <Tom_itx> more victims
[11:39:42] <jdh> looks surprisingly calm out there now http://surfchex.com/
[11:40:22] <IchGuckLive> 380.000 people called to evacuate
[11:40:36] <IchGuckLive> Question on liuxcnc
[11:40:51] <IchGuckLive> what happens if i exeed 9999 deg
[11:41:03] <IchGuckLive> at Rotation axis
[11:42:22] <jthornton> IchGuckLive, there was a chap looking for you this morning in here
[11:43:57] <andypugh> IchGuckLive: I think 9999 comes from the INI. You can go much higher.
[11:44:20] <IchGuckLive> i told alot peple that im here always at 19:00 MEZ
[11:44:20] <andypugh> But should perhaps consider a WRAPPED_ROTARY if you make a habit of it.
[11:44:39] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: thanks
[11:45:02] <IchGuckLive> i can choos on the cam to move cionventionel or climb or both
[11:45:14] <IchGuckLive> both gives me a 360 back and forth
[11:45:36] <IchGuckLive> on climb or conv it goes well above 9999
[11:45:50] <IchGuckLive> 200 rotations
[11:49:40] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: i fond a Jesus ho asked
[11:49:55] <IchGuckLive> at 2:16 in the lock
[11:50:57] <jthornton> yea thats him
[11:51:17] <jthornton> from Spain
[11:51:57] <IchGuckLive> jep
[11:52:09] <IchGuckLive> he needs more wire power
[11:52:20] <IchGuckLive> 12V 2A is not enoph
[11:54:05] <andypugh> He has a _lot_ of wires
[11:54:25] <JesusAlos-> until 30 wires
[11:54:35] <IchGuckLive> hi JesusAlos-
[11:54:43] <IchGuckLive> im the man you looking for
[11:54:53] <JesusAlos-> hi
[11:54:55] <andypugh> Is this the machine? http://www.alosindustrials.com/index.php/en/eps/laminadora-verticales
[11:55:00] <IchGuckLive> i got a 7m foam wire mashine
[11:57:24] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos-: for cad cam it i s best to use Heekscad its free
[11:57:46] <IchGuckLive> for 2D dxf making Qcad,Librecad, Draftsight all also free
[12:00:10] <andypugh> Do any of those insert a pause at tight corners?
[12:00:43] <IchGuckLive> heekscad can do this by your python effert
[12:01:07] <IchGuckLive> if you interact the distance to a G4Px output
[12:03:52] <jdh> anyone have a rasp.pi? should the composite video be enabled on boot?
[12:04:10] <andypugh> I have one, haven't booted it yet..
[12:04:59] <L84Supper> I don't understand why recommend OpenSCAD vs heekscad for open CAD software
[12:05:32] <jdh> I booted mine on my hdmi tv. Worked fine there. Can't really do development there though. I got my 8 AI module for the pi and wanted to play with it up here with a composite monitor.
[12:15:35] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: http://www.openscad.org/ go there then you know
[12:16:41] <IchGuckLive> lots of times the side is not up
[12:19:07] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, I'm familiar with both, what is your point?
[12:19:32] <IchGuckLive> interaction to fit your needs on your mashine
[12:22:03] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: do you construct like the way openscad does
[12:22:26] <IchGuckLive> i come from Acad ProE this is not the comen way
[12:23:15] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, I need to get 3d models and drawing done quickly so I use NX, Creo and Solidworks
[12:25:06] <IchGuckLive> agree
[12:25:48] <IchGuckLive> im on PreoE so i start from 3D always and cut and drill out
[12:25:53] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, most people that ask either want a simple applications to create 3d models for a reprap or want to create mechanical drawings on a low budget
[12:26:24] <IchGuckLive> the heekscad has a good reprap modul
[13:54:17] <r00t4rd3d> Reason I love Aspire. Only 1 program needed to cad/cam.
[14:09:49] <IchGuckLive> ok im off By have a nice sunday where ever you are and for the East cost keep on dry and take shatlter
[14:09:49] <r00t4rd3d> all hype
[14:09:49] <r00t4rd3d> Im watching the nascar race in virginia and its blue sunny skies
[15:13:02] <JesusAlos-2> hi
[15:47:19] <andypugh> pcw_home: The most recent 8i20 Firmware I have is dated December 2010. I suspect that it not the most recent that exists?
[16:02:56] <pcw_home> latest is Rev8 April 5 2012
[16:06:35] <andypugh> Could you send me that?
[16:07:57] <andypugh> I finidhed the nvram parameter tool, now I am wondering how much of the existing bitfile code (for the FPGA cards) is relevant. I have a feeling that the 8i20 bitfiles might be a completely different format?
[16:08:30] <pcw_home> I can but I do not know if its compatible with REVB hardware. I would need to talk to Gilbert about that and he wont be around until Wednesday
[16:09:01] <andypugh> No rush
[16:09:20] <pcw_home> No there's no relationship whatsoever between Xilinx bitfiles and remote sserial firmware
[16:09:35] <andypugh> I rather thought that might be the case
[16:09:54] <pcw_home> The main thing about remote firmware is writing it to the correct blocks
[16:10:28] <pcw_home> You also need to change SSLBPs baud rate
[16:10:36] <pcw_home> (to 115200)
[16:10:56] <andypugh> Hmm. Perhaps I won't bother...
[16:12:31] <pcw_home> the way firmware upgrading works is that there are 2 sets of firmware (the setup mode firmware and the run mode firmware)
[16:12:34] <pcw_home> Normally you only upgrade run mode firmware, so you set the remote device into setup mode (jumper option) and then proceed to re-write the run mode firmware
[16:13:09] <andypugh> Ah, OK, so the hard part is done by a jumper/
[16:14:12] <pcw_home> what you really really do not want to do is accidentally write or corrupt the setup mode area
[16:15:00] <pcw_home> This requires a PIC programmer to undo
[16:16:02] <pcw_home> setup mode ignores all EEPROM options and has a fixed 115200 baud rate
[16:16:16] <andypugh> it would probably be useful to figure out if my DN2800 will run the DOS utilities.
[16:17:49] <pcw_home> may or may not, if the PCI utilities work (rpo for example) it will work
[16:17:50] <pcw_home> (RPO 100 should return 55AACAFE, the HM2 cookie)
[16:28:45] <pcw_home> On Wednesday I can check with Gilbert about B rev compatibility and also see if we can make a little outline of firmware updating
[16:29:11] <mrsun> hmm, carbide against carbide, is that good combination ? (bore guages with carbided tips that you then measure with micrometer)
[16:30:29] <Tom_itx> you cut tungsten with tungsten
[16:31:08] <Tom_itx> i forget what inserts we used
[16:32:20] <mrsun> well im thinking of cracking/damage of the anvil surfaces
[16:32:20] <mrsun> on either part
[16:32:48] <Tom_itx> didn't say it was easy
[16:32:56] <Tom_itx> don't drop the material, it will fracture
[16:33:13] <Tom_itx> we cut ballast for wings from it
[16:33:14] <mrsun> was just thinking as ive heard you can easily chip endmills using micrometers, but maybe that was hss endmills against hard metal
[16:33:32] <Tom_itx> hss doesn't stand a chance
[16:33:53] <Tom_itx> maybe ceramic but i've never tried ceramic
[16:34:32] <mrsun> so measuring on bore guages with micrometers should not be a problem then...
[16:35:14] <Tom_itx> are you cutting carbide or just concerned about measuring the cutter?
[16:35:26] <mrsun> nah, i want something to measure inside bores with
[16:35:30] <mrsun> got recomended bore guages
[16:35:40] <mrsun> like micrometers but without the scales on them
[16:35:44] <mrsun> then you measure on them with a micrometer
[16:35:45] <Tom_itx> just use normal caution with any precision tool
[16:37:59] <teb_> hello everyone =)
[16:38:47] <Tom_itx> mrsun i thought you were wanting to cut tungsten :)
[16:38:54] <mrsun> no =)
[16:39:04] <Tom_itx> we've done it but it's no fun
[16:39:04] <mrsun> but thanks for the advice in that also :P
[16:39:17] <mrsun> isnt diamond more suited for cutting it? :)
[16:39:26] <Tom_itx> $$$ too
[16:39:42] <Tom_itx> we used carbide inserts
[16:39:42] <mrsun> pfft, just get the wifies ring, she wont notice
[16:39:55] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[16:41:35] <teb_> I just got a job in a factory operating a CNC Lathe.. and I need all kind of help!
[16:41:44] <Tom_itx> hah
[16:41:54] <teb_> Is there any way to perform G-code simulations at home without the need of a paralel port in my computer?
[16:41:57] <Tom_itx> don't get the decimal point wrong :D
[16:42:16] <Tom_itx> teb_ you don't do MDI on the lathe?
[16:42:21] <teb_> I've got the whole realtime and kernel stuff done.. but now the app complains on the parport initialization and this is a notebook =/
[16:42:26] <Tom_itx> usually easiest with lathe work
[16:42:47] <Tom_itx> i ran an Okuma Kadet for a while
[16:43:06] <teb_> Okuma sounds like japanese
[16:43:09] <Tom_itx> yeah
[16:43:15] <Tom_itx> they're good equipment
[16:44:05] <teb_> I can do simulations in the geographic location of the lathe
[16:44:21] <teb_> but I have to learn G code writing SO I need it at home too
[16:44:42] <Tom_itx> there are soft limits you should learn to set on a lathe
[16:44:53] <Tom_itx> so you don't smack the spindle with a tool
[16:45:02] <teb_> and I won't install wind$/&%/#&# just to install cnc stuff
[16:45:29] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't let a little thing like that get in the way
[16:46:52] <teb_> I need to practice the code writing while I'm not at work.. That'd ease things for me a lot..
[16:47:07] <teb_> that's why I installed linuxcnc at the first place.. But I still can't use it
[16:47:54] <teb_> Tom_itx, how do you manage to write G-code at home? without having the lathe plugged in to your pc?
[16:48:11] <Tom_itx> i've got cad cam
[16:48:23] <Tom_itx> but it's just a txt file
[16:48:45] <andypugh> teb_: You can run the sim configs with no hardware. They have emulated spindles and home switches.
[16:49:20] <Tom_itx> what kinda lathe is it?
[16:49:59] <teb_> it's italian
[16:50:01] <teb_> got the manual right here
[16:50:22] <teb_> lemme check, it's MCS 500 Series.. my manual version is 2.01 10/99
[16:50:42] <pcw_home> I guess the question would be how close its Gcode is to LinuxCNC's
[16:51:13] <Tom_itx> formatting and some setup g or m codes may vary
[16:51:16] <teb_> Pontiggia Pietro PPL-310 - Numeric contro ls MCS SX570. Retrofitting done by JSCNC (dec 2004)
[16:51:55] <teb_> I've been checking that pcw_home and there are some slight differences
[16:53:00] <pcw_home> As Andy said you can run the sim configs without any I/O hardware or even realtime
[16:54:13] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:54:15] <teb_> you mean in the main .ini selection window?
[16:54:23] <pcw_home> I have the sim stuff installed on my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop at home
[16:54:50] <Tom_itx> does lcnc run under 12.04?
[16:54:56] <teb_> and which one should I use for a Lathe setup?
[16:55:02] <pcw_home> sim runs on anything I think
[16:55:09] <teb_> I'm on Debian Squeeze right now
[16:55:56] <andypugh> teb_: Yes. when you start LinuxCNC then in the config picker look for sim-axis-lathe
[16:57:31] <teb_> Oh, cool
[16:57:36] <teb_> Now it's on
[17:08:33] <andypugh> The instruction on a block of tofu say to wrap it in kitchen paper and press it using a chopping board and a heavy cookery book. I don't have a cookery book, so I am using a Wohlhaupter boring head.
[17:09:08] <jdh> no 20ton press out in the shop?
[17:11:01] <andypugh> No. Something of a serios lack, I had quite a struggle bending some 3mm x 130mm stainless strips.
[17:14:37] <jdh> I've been looking for an SS fitting. One side is variously called SAE6, 3/8 straight, 9/16-18 ORB
[17:19:56] <andypugh> 9/16-18 is probably the thread size. 3/8 sounds like a nominal pipe size.
[17:20:26] <andypugh> Though that doesn't really work as 3/8 isn't enough smaller than 9/16
[18:58:24] <tjb1> What a drive…10+ backup on the interstate
[18:59:00] <Tom_itx> due to the storm?
[18:59:06] <tjb1> no
[18:59:30] <tjb1> Because of them working on a bridge thats been going on 2 months now
[18:59:41] <Tom_itx> fun
[18:59:53] <tjb1> Its probably backed up that far because of people going places before the storm
[19:00:01] <tjb1> I passed 16 boom trucks
[19:07:53] <ReadError> what pisses me off is
[19:08:02] <ReadError> ohai lets decide to do road work during rush hour
[19:08:10] <ReadError> that will really make things awesome ^_^
[19:09:13] <tjb1> rushhour?
[19:09:19] <tjb1> That lane has been shut down for 2 months lol
[19:09:58] <ReadError> yea but
[19:10:03] <ReadError> on the interstate i take home
[19:10:07] <ReadError> they keep doing roadwork
[19:10:15] <ReadError> like right when a ton of people are heading home
[19:12:11] <tjb1> As soon as snow stops, half the interstate is under construction
[19:14:58] <tjb1> I dunno, arm of hurricane is already here and its just a slow rain...
[19:15:03] <tjb1> Frankenstorm my ass
[19:18:49] <jdh> looks like it won't realy be there until tuesday morning
[19:20:20] <jdh> and only TS strength then
[19:20:49] <tjb1> Anyone know what cnc4pc is on ebay?
[19:21:34] <jdh> does he sell on ebay?
[19:21:51] <tjb1> Ive seen the C10 board on ebay before
[19:21:55] <tjb1> I cant find it now
[19:22:47] <tjb1> Actually lost the auction but ebay wont show me anything older than 30 days >:(
[19:24:36] <ReadError> i need to order some metric drill bits
[19:24:44] <ReadError> things impossible to find in hardware stores
[19:24:50] <ReadError> but i hope i can append it to this mcmaster order
[19:25:40] <tjb1> I <3 mcmaster
[19:28:58] <ReadError> yea
[19:29:07] <ReadError> plus nextday arrival is tehsweet
[19:29:19] <ReadError> i could pick stuff up at willcall at lunch
[19:29:23] <ReadError> but dont feel like driving
[19:29:28] <ReadError> and the shipping is super affordable
[19:29:44] <ReadError> even some 24x24" sheets of g10
[19:29:47] <ReadError> only 9$
[19:31:09] <tjb1> Takes them 2 days for me and I am too far to go pick it up
[19:31:45] <tjb1> If mcmaster was here, bye bye fastenal, lowes, and all local hardware stores
[19:32:45] <ReadError> yea
[19:32:51] <ReadError> they are pretty nice on the phone
[19:33:01] <ReadError> so hopefully i can call later tonight and have drill bits appended
[19:34:19] <ReadError> tjb1, how accurate is that rack and pinion system?
[19:34:26] <ReadError> no backlash really?
[19:34:29] <tjb1> nope
[19:34:43] <tjb1> I need to work on the slaved acis
[19:34:56] <ReadError> i was going to build a router
[19:34:59] <tjb1> axis…its not engaging rack in the same position the other axis motor is
[19:35:02] <ReadError> seemed like i might want to implement that in it
[19:37:34] <tjb1> Yeah Ahren released new stuff...
[19:37:40] <tjb1> Wish I woulda known
[19:37:45] <ReadError> which stuff?
[19:37:55] <tjb1> New rack and pinion drives
[19:38:18] <tjb1> Pivot bolt now has needle bearings and I think the drive gear has needle bearings too…plus a new tensioning system
[19:38:34] <ReadError> i really would like a modular table
[19:38:42] <ReadError> where i can swap out the cutting implement
[19:38:51] <ReadError> laser/router
[19:39:21] <tjb1> Im gonna draw up the router mounts for mine this week
[19:40:24] <ReadError> any idea how much a laser system would cost?
[19:40:30] <ReadError> optics/tube/powersupply
[19:40:32] <tjb1> Not a clue
[19:40:40] <ReadError> ive heard around 600
[19:40:50] <tjb1> I was going to look into it but I think mine would have too much vibration to use
[19:40:56] <ReadError> they have that kickstarter from the buildyourowncnc.com site
[19:40:58] <tjb1> Unless the tube was mounted right on the Z
[19:40:59] <ReadError> for 1500
[19:41:10] <ReadError> looks pretty big too
[19:42:08] <tjb1> got a link?
[19:42:30] <ReadError> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1427848145/build-your-own-laser-cutter?ref=live
[19:44:10] <tjb1> Just made out of MDF?
[19:44:12] <ReadError> so im using 3-in-1 as cutting oil
[19:44:17] <ReadError> eventually i need to clean these parts
[19:44:21] <ReadError> should i just use a bucket of gas ?
[19:44:31] <ReadError> i been using 91% isopropyl
[19:45:08] <tjb1> No clue
[19:45:11] <tjb1> parts cleaner?
[19:45:23] <ReadError> true i kinda want to get some 80/20 and make something neat with that
[19:45:36] <tjb1> Why would you buy that kit?
[19:45:37] <ReadError> did you see that printer they have on that automated technologies site?
[19:45:49] <ReadError> 429 for frame and motors
[19:45:51] <ReadError> not bad
[19:46:02] <tjb1> is it the ord hadron?
[19:46:10] <ReadError> not sure its like blue and silver ;)
[19:46:19] <ReadError> i would like you but im cutting and dont want to spike my latency
[19:46:24] <ReadError> link*
[19:46:34] <tjb1> Does it use makerslide?
[19:47:44] <ReadError> not sure
[19:47:48] <ReadError> details are pretty sparse
[19:47:50] <tjb1> Yep thats the hadron
[19:49:02] <tjb1> im going to build one of those
[19:49:33] <ReadError> well shoot for 429
[19:49:38] <ReadError> its not an incredibly bad deal
[19:49:47] <ReadError> considering the motors all the hardware
[19:49:52] <tjb1> Still going to have $250-300 in electronics and extruder
[19:49:56] <ReadError> it looks like the parts are all aluminum
[19:49:59] <ReadError> like bent
[19:50:01] <ReadError> not printed
[19:50:06] <ReadError> i couldnt quite tell
[19:50:18] <tjb1> Yes they are laser cut aluminum
[19:50:19] <tjb1> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtxUccuTZxMzdElyUDlXWi1hR05XS3pILW1iMUlucVE#gid=0
[19:50:23] <tjb1> Take a look at that if you can
[19:52:46] <ReadError> how much is that?
[19:52:52] <ReadError> lots of prices missing
[19:53:02] <tjb1> total is bottom left
[19:53:06] <tjb1> im still working on it
[19:53:17] <tjb1> bottom right sorry
[19:53:53] <ReadError> well i mean alot of the buildlog stuff is missing
[19:54:01] <tjb1> i cant find any of it on buildlog
[19:54:11] <ReadError> well 429 isnt *that* bad
[19:54:32] <tjb1> we were going to custom make all the buildlog stuff
[19:55:02] <tjb1> but its looking like it wont even be worth the effort when you can buy all of it for $429
[19:58:26] <ReadError> if you where doing a decent sized run it would be worth it
[20:07:15] <tjb1> Not gonna happen
[20:07:20] <tjb1> Probably just gonna buy that kit
[20:11:35] <tjb1> That doesnt come with a heated bed either...
[20:14:02] <tjb1> ReadError: Be careful, it cost more to order from Auto Tech on ebay than it does the website...
[20:14:14] <ReadError> ya i use the site
[20:14:21] <ReadError> its where i got my steppers and g540 from
[20:14:23] <ReadError> and psu
[20:14:32] <ReadError> and 5 motors i cant use ;)
[20:14:46] <ReadError> so if you need 5 nema17 w/ 1/4" shafts new
[20:14:50] <ReadError> holla at your boy.
[20:15:12] <tjb1> What do you think of the qu-bd extruder?
[20:15:41] <ReadError> i got some jheads
[20:17:11] <r00t4rd3d> "Subway CLOSED as storm is set to be the biggest EVER to hit United States"
[20:17:18] <r00t4rd3d> shit, where am I going to eat?
[20:17:31] <jdh> waffle house
[20:17:49] <tjb1> Jhead better than a qu?
[20:21:11] <ReadError> duno
[20:21:24] <ReadError> i just liked the design tbh
[20:21:29] <ReadError> looks clean
[20:23:02] <tjb1> qu-bd looks better than the j head
[20:23:09] <tjb1> but im off to bed, night all
[20:23:28] <ReadError> nini
[20:23:46] <r00t4rd3d> pu
[20:27:58] <ReadError> hurricane gonna rape you r00t4rd3d ?
[20:28:00] <ReadError> or you ok?
[20:28:24] <r00t4rd3d> the eye is projected to pass directly over my county
[20:28:42] <r00t4rd3d> but im way inland
[20:28:56] <jdh> it's kind of cool when it does, if the eye wall is still stable. It usually falls apart inland though
[20:29:21] <ReadError> atleast you get work off
[20:34:46] <r00t4rd3d> I work for myself so not really
[20:36:27] <r00t4rd3d> if I dont have any construction work to do there is cnc jobs piling up.
[20:36:47] <ReadError> wow goin big time i see
[20:38:25] <r00t4rd3d> I wouldnt call it big time, my machine is only 12"x36" :D
[20:42:52] <r00t4rd3d> I stay busy just making paradise boxes though
[20:44:48] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: those boxes I asked about?
[20:45:11] <r00t4rd3d> the vectric ones
[20:45:18] <Jymmm> how much?
[20:45:31] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/projects/march-2011/paradise-box.htm
[20:45:47] <r00t4rd3d> matters
[20:45:58] <r00t4rd3d> what kinda wood, how much engraving, etc
[20:46:08] <r00t4rd3d> 75-125 normally
[20:46:09] <jdh> size of knob
[20:46:24] <Jymmm> ah
[20:46:27] <Jymmm> cool
[20:47:29] <r00t4rd3d> this is the last one I did : http://imgur.com/a/IApNj
[20:47:46] <r00t4rd3d> Im making another now
[20:48:12] <mutilator> how much is vcarve pro?
[20:48:18] <jdh> is the top 3/4"?
[20:48:19] <mutilator> was like $500 or something wasnt it
[20:48:35] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, all 3/4
[20:48:37] <mutilator> oh vectric makes it
[20:48:38] <mutilator> $600 damn
[20:49:00] <r00t4rd3d> I use Aspire
[20:49:06] <r00t4rd3d> $1995
[20:49:09] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d:3/4" x 6 or 8" ?
[20:49:11] <mutilator> o_O
[20:49:34] <mutilator> thats a bit of change eh
[20:49:51] <Jymmm> mutilator: that's kinda cheap actually.
[20:49:55] <jdh> after I carved that test piece, I was reaching for a can of stain and knocked a bottle of lemon oil off the shelf. It cracked and went all over the floor. Whole garage smells overpoweringly of lemon oil
[20:50:02] <r00t4rd3d> Jymmm, that one I linked to is a special size. Normally they are like 13x8
[20:50:14] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: ah
[20:51:08] <jdh> r00t: are you using a 60-degree?
[20:51:22] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[20:51:43] <r00t4rd3d> 60degree 7/16 diameter
[20:51:43] <jdh> switching to 90 for the others?
[20:52:13] <r00t4rd3d> i use the 60 vbit and 1/8 endmill for all
[20:52:16] <jdh> my 90 made the deep spots look weird
[20:58:05] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2008251/21726/cmt-85800111-60-degree-laser-point-router-bit-14sh-12d-716cl.aspx
[20:58:13] <r00t4rd3d> Im gonna get one of those next.
[20:58:29] <r00t4rd3d> right now i just use a 20 dollar cheapo
[21:03:38] <ReadError> lolwut
[21:03:45] <ReadError> you paid 1995 for software?
[21:03:48] <ReadError> you must be rich
[21:04:39] <Tom_itx> don't kid yourself
[21:04:54] <r00t4rd3d> ARRRRR MATEY
[22:58:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/q2vZK.jpg