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[00:14:58] <r00t4rd3d> DING
[01:21:07] <r00t4rd3d> FONG
[01:55:46] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:58:22] <DJ9DJ> moin
[05:07:36] <Loetmichel> *HEADACE*... thats now 45 minutes that i have taken in two Thomapyrin 500... it SHOULD be better by now... maybe i have ingested to much Aluminium dust yesterday?
[06:40:39] <jthornton> I think I finally understand the gtk combobox
[06:45:08] <Loetmichel> sooo, 3 plates 25*450*200mm PMMA cut down into 15 pcs with the bandsaw... dust sack of the vacuum= full and workshop looks like a blizzard had run through ;-)
[08:30:19] <Loetmichel> hmm, question to the ones with knowledge: 2,5mm drill HSS in PMMA... 25mm depth. How much rpm, how much F, how often pullout for swarf clean?
[08:33:57] <MattyMatt> all I know is, use flood coolant if you can
[08:37:02] <MattyMatt> PMMA is like delrin I think. fast feedrates so you don't linger long enough to melt
[08:39:23] <MattyMatt> I drill 2.5mm in delrin all the time, and I just go straight through 5mm with a fast dremel with no issues
[08:40:31] <MattyMatt> I'd clear swarf after 10mm I think
[08:41:32] <MattyMatt> got any spare to practice on?
[08:43:35] <MattyMatt> the only PMMA I've milled was 1mm thick, and that was pretty awful
[08:50:51] <MattyMatt> bargain threading inserts
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tungsten-carbide-tips-thread-cutting-/230864369924
[08:51:17] <MattyMatt> I'd have them if I had a holder
[08:52:09] <MattyMatt> and my lathe was close to having threadcutting
[09:20:24] <jdh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300792303553
[09:20:44] <jdh> that looks like a nifty piece of iron.
[09:33:11] <Loetmichel> *BRRRR* what a MESS... PMMA makes for MUCH swarf... and thats only half though the first of 12 sets... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13564
[09:33:27] <Loetmichel> ... jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way....
[09:33:29] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[09:35:05] <JT-Shop> jdh: nice one
[10:28:54] <tjb1> lol someone said robots arent precise enough to put a cell phone together...
[10:31:43] <archivist> jdh they are good, cheap at that price
[10:32:13] <tjb1> http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16061144&postcount=42
[10:32:17] <tjb1> oops...
[10:32:50] <JT-Shop> andypugh: can you run a python gtk program on a Mac?
[10:33:31] <jdh> too bad I can't get it from here.
[10:34:42] <archivist> jdh you pay and I will cuddle it here for you :)
[10:37:04] <jdh> I'll keep that in mind.
[10:37:26] <pcw_home> That is a nice looking manual lathe
[10:37:49] <archivist> andypugh, is nearest to it though
[10:38:15] <jdh> and it's practically free.
[10:38:39] <JT-Shop> all I have to do now is pick up all the tools and the grinder project is done with all new metering valves everthing gets the proper oil now
[10:38:55] <archivist> in its day was the rolls royce of british lathes possibly
[10:39:08] <jdh> $0.18/lb
[10:47:59] <archivist> similar quality
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lathe-Woodhouse-and-Mitchell-/130784930018
[10:48:44] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: You can run a python gtk program on a mac, or windows even.
[10:49:05] <JT-Shop> I've run them on windoze before but don't have a working mac to try it with
[10:49:06] <FinboySlick> I think there's a tad of extra work.
[10:49:40] <FinboySlick> Though as far as I can tell, it's just making sure python has gtk libs installed.
[10:50:22] <jdh> sounds like a perfect opportunity to buy a mac!
[10:50:53] <JT-Shop> I just need a hard drive for the one I have and a copy of the operating system and I think I'm up and running
[10:51:06] <FinboySlick> archivist: That's not a lathe, it's an overly complicated wirebrush.
[11:14:12] <JT-Shop> speaking of a wire brush, I need to put my chimney sweep hat on and clean the wood heater flue pipes
[11:18:32] <jdh> can't you just hire a poor london child to do that for you?
[11:18:47] <JT-Shop> not many around this part of the woods
[11:19:01] <JT-Shop> they tend to freeze in the winter
[11:20:07] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: i had muchs success by settin up a LARGE wood wool fire in the fireplace... flames got up 2 metres out of the chimney at rooftop
[11:20:31] <Loetmichel> and chimney was really hot over the full 3 stories...
[11:20:38] <Loetmichel> and clean as new afterwards ;-)
[11:21:12] <Loetmichel> but that is only reccomended if the chimney is made of stone, thick and no flammable materials in vincity
[11:21:15] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[11:21:51] <JT-Shop> I have a brush and it only takes a few minutes to clean...
[11:23:21] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: that was accidential
[11:23:44] <Loetmichel> i know noone wh intentionally sets his chimney on fire
[11:23:53] <Loetmichel> but it WAS clean afterwards
[11:24:01] <JT-Shop> never can tell around here...
[11:24:23] <Loetmichel> not one patch of carbon left inside, even the "sot" has boiled out of the stone ;-)
[11:30:15] <jdh> I've lived in my house for 16 years and have never used teh fireplace
[11:40:13] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[11:46:28] <IchGuckLive> pcw ?
[11:49:46] <DJ9DJ> hi live-gucker
[11:50:06] <IchGuckLive> DJ9DJ: B9
[11:50:27] <IchGuckLive> im always moding my AXIS GUI
[11:51:18] <IchGuckLive> http://mechmo.de/sculp.png TODAYS mod get a Sculp out of a Lathe Code
[11:52:10] <IchGuckLive> in the G-code only XZ coordinates in Display full servise provided
[11:57:07] <pcw_home> IchGuckLive?
[11:57:17] <IchGuckLive> Hi
[11:57:36] <IchGuckLive> is there a best parameter side for cobinations
[11:58:09] <IchGuckLive> im looking for 5i25+7i76+leadshine at 100steps per unit
[11:58:22] <IchGuckLive> 48V Driver
[11:58:59] <IchGuckLive> Timing max Acelleration max speed
[11:59:15] <IchGuckLive> maybe some users got feedback to you
[12:00:01] <IchGuckLive> Today the money of the 4new sets came back from Austria Bank failue
[12:03:27] <pcw_home> Well acceleration and speed depend on machine and drives and motors
[12:03:29] <pcw_home> one thin to make sure is that the stepgen maxaccel parameter is about 20% more
[12:03:31] <pcw_home> than the machinces max acceleration
[12:04:03] <pcw_home> thing machines
[12:04:47] <IchGuckLive> ok i will check at 8hr milling if i can get some good parameters back to you
[12:06:19] <pcw_home> theres really no practical hardware limit on step rate so any uStep ratio is OK
[12:07:02] <IchGuckLive> in the example file there are some calculations
[12:07:51] <IchGuckLive> i will also pull the new git for the new PC setup so maxbe criss has made pncconf working to the 5i25+7i76 boards
[12:08:21] <pcw_home> Yes he's been adding stuff all along
[12:09:07] <pcw_home> you may have to get the 7I76x2 XML files
[12:09:24] <IchGuckLive> got it
[12:10:06] <IchGuckLive> but where to put this files the example is not clear on this
[12:10:31] <pcw_home> 7I76 can generate up to ~8 MHz step rates, this is ~10K RPM with a 256 uStep ratio
[12:11:11] <IchGuckLive> i dont think that leadshine met this steprate
[12:11:37] <pcw_home> the XML files go in the firmware directory (/lib/firmware/hm2/5i25)
[12:13:27] <pcw_home> (which needs to be created as root)
[12:14:13] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:14:15] <pcw_home> since the distribution does not include 5i25 firmware yet
[12:14:49] <IchGuckLive> i think the new git got it
[12:15:12] <pcw_home> Ahh that would be nice
[12:15:27] <IchGuckLive> criss is working hard on this
[12:15:51] <IchGuckLive> the dot pin file goes also to this path i think
[12:17:22] <pcw_home> Yes, you can even put the bitfiles/pinfiles from 5i25.zip in there as well should you want to change/update the 5I25 firmware (via the mesaflash utility)
[12:21:22] <IchGuckLive> i stay with the provided as i a stanard milling man
[12:21:30] <IchGuckLive> O.O ,-)
[12:21:41] <IchGuckLive> XYUVB
[12:21:45] <pcw_home> :-)
[12:21:48] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/O5Byz
[12:22:01] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[12:22:09] <pcw_home> There are bug fixes occasionally
[12:22:24] <IchGuckLive> i think i got this year not a strait part to mill
[12:23:04] <pcw_home> all 3d artsy stuff?
[12:23:16] <IchGuckLive> yes
[12:24:00] <pcw_home> Are you the one that does the big foam stuff?
[12:24:28] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: can i see the onboard version somewhere as i plug the 5i26
[12:24:33] <IchGuckLive> 5i25
[12:24:49] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: yes i am
[12:27:30] <pcw_home> There is a separate version for each module
[12:27:32] <pcw_home> (encoder/stepgen/watchdog etc)
[12:27:34] <pcw_home> the most dynamic and buggy ATM is SSLBP/SSerial
[12:27:35] <pcw_home> (you probably have V33 current is V35 )
[12:27:58] <IchGuckLive> ok
[12:29:01] <pcw_home> there are no LinuxCNC issues with V33 but it will not allow
[12:29:03] <pcw_home> daughtercard firmware updates. V35 does
[12:30:06] <IchGuckLive> so the 7i76 is also updatable
[12:30:16] <pcw_home> Yes
[12:31:33] <IchGuckLive> i woudt wish to live in the USA there is a mutch grater Market for this Foam sculptures
[12:32:06] <IchGuckLive> amald here is doing the stuff for the brazilian carneval
[12:32:30] <IchGuckLive> look here what they do in the USA
http://moonscapes3d.com/projects/
[12:32:42] <pcw_home> lots of concrete over foam architectural work here
[12:33:06] <IchGuckLive> also the big mashines are provided
http://3dcutting.com/
[12:33:44] <IchGuckLive> yes thats the newest i got today a order for a 6-9meeter part
[12:34:24] <pcw_home> Wow, how big a router do you have?
[12:34:41] <IchGuckLive> 240" X 400" Y and 40" Z
[12:35:01] <IchGuckLive> i can go 360" in one dir
[12:35:19] <IchGuckLive> at 1mm acuracy
[12:35:49] <pcw_home> Thats pretty neat!
[12:35:59] <IchGuckLive> Hotwire
[12:36:10] <IchGuckLive> all depends on wire strangth
[12:37:43] <pcw_home> Didn't know you could get that kid of accuracy with that long a hot wire
[12:37:45] <pcw_home> (it must wander somewhat)
[12:38:40] <IchGuckLive> you can go only 2" per minute at that length
[12:38:52] <IchGuckLive> with no los
[12:39:38] <pcw_home> I guess its a lot faster for roughing out shapes than a router
[12:40:06] <IchGuckLive> it is a good money maker
[12:40:16] <IchGuckLive> foam for concreet
[12:40:31] <pcw_home> do you need fume extraction?
[12:41:50] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHzwI4z8YTY image Movie
[12:42:28] <IchGuckLive> look at our 60 wire cutter Robot Wire setup
[12:42:55] <IchGuckLive> at 1:18
[12:43:00] <IchGuckLive> in the movie
[12:45:18] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:46:33] <pcw_home> I had no idea ther were such fancy hot wire cutters
[12:47:16] <IchGuckLive> all homemade !
[12:48:31] <IchGuckLive> "Home"
[12:48:39] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[12:50:53] <Loetmichel> *brrr* three partsets done-> machine half full of PMMA "snow"... done for now, remaining 9 sets tomorrow... :)
[12:51:18] <IchGuckLive> Poly Methyl Met acrylat THATS FUN
[12:52:01] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: not so much: that was after half of the first part set:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13564
[12:52:51] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: i use macrolon insted for milling Pleyiglas is to hard on breaking stuff
[12:54:09] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: the pmma was in stock in the company: old front doors of Computers, never to use again.
[12:54:15] <Loetmichel> so i use it
[12:54:42] <IchGuckLive> it is 1/3 the price of the macrolon also
[12:54:58] <IchGuckLive> so if you are good with it go for it
[12:55:17] <Loetmichel> i doubt it: thios PMMA plates were laminated from 20mm clear pmma and 5mm blue PMMA
[12:55:33] <Loetmichel> they were about 150 eur each as front doors
[12:56:00] <Loetmichel> but the computer cases to which tey belong isnt obsolete, we have new designs now
[12:56:05] <IchGuckLive> water or Ait in use
[12:56:10] <IchGuckLive> Air
[12:59:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13570 <- 5cm high swarf in the machine :-(
[13:04:09] <jthornton> tutorial 6 is up
http://gnipsel.com/glade/index.html
[13:15:37] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: what will it end up in ?
[13:19:24] <jdh> in jt-gui of course.
[13:19:54] <jdh> then he will tire of the gtk limitations and spin off jtk
[13:23:10] <IchGuckLive> B)
[13:23:33] <IchGuckLive> so im off by where ever you are in the world
[13:25:40] <andypugh> Ah, I forgot I left this on.
[13:25:50] <andypugh> That S&B is indeed rather nice.
[13:26:54] <andypugh> In some ways too nice, it would be a shame to CNC it.
[13:45:34] <archivist> andypugh, so nice you should have it anyway
[13:45:43] <andypugh> Tempted.
[13:45:48] <andypugh> I am watching it.
[13:46:29] <archivist> I thinking of bodging up a tool and cutter grinder
[13:50:02] <Connor> Okay, I want to make a manifold for my coolant stuff.. What is the proper tap for the 1/4NPT ?
[13:50:43] <cradek> 1/4NPT is the tap
[13:50:57] <cradek> it's a bitch of a thread to hand tap
[13:51:12] <Connor> because of the taper ?
[13:51:14] <Tom_itx> 7/16"
[13:51:15] <cradek> yeah
[13:51:27] <cradek> make the hole oversize
[13:51:37] <andypugh> Use a tapered drill?
[13:51:59] <Tom_itx> the chart shows a 7/16" drill for a 1/4" NPT tap
[13:52:00] <Connor> Most of the stuff I've seen aren't tapered
[13:52:12] <cradek> NPT is most definitely tapered
[13:52:28] <andypugh> NP might not be :-)
[13:52:35] <Connor> I know. But, I swear the solenoid valve I got wasn't.
[13:53:00] <andypugh> NPP?
[13:53:09] <Tom_itx> so use flared fittings if you're worried about it
[13:53:24] <andypugh> Might even be BSPP which is the metric standard. (along with BSPT)
[13:54:36] <jdh> buy a cheap manifold? Use a npt cross?
[13:55:41] <Connor> Not worried about it with the air valve.. I got that sorted out with white tape. :) I was just trying to figure out how to make one for my coolant.. I want to mount the nozzle to the head..
[13:56:59] <jdh> get a cheap brass body needle valve for the mount?
[13:57:53] <Connor> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/catalog/servlet/Search?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&keyword=needle%20valve&Ns=None&Ntpr=1&Ntpc=1&selectedCatgry=SEARCH+ALL
[13:59:26] <Connor> I had looked... didn't really see anything that looked like it was going to be easy to mount..
[13:59:37] <jdh> need a square body one
[14:01:42] <jdh> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?Item=10-2616-B
[14:01:46] <jdh> a 130VAC stepper?
[14:03:00] <Connor> Strange.
[14:03:36] <Connor> Probably miss-labeled.
[14:03:59] <jdh> there are others. a 100vac one also
[14:04:54] <pcw_home> That is one big step motor
[14:05:19] <jdh> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=10-2616-C&catname= bigger
[14:05:22] <pcw_home> 19 mm shaft!
[14:06:17] <jdh> 28lbs
[14:38:20] <andypugh> 28Nm (even better)
[14:46:24] <OWhite> Folks, I'm having the same problem as described in this thread:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/french/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=21&id=20913&limit=6&start=6
[14:46:48] <OWhite> which is I'm getting the error "waiting for s.axes". Does anyone know of a fix for the problem?
[14:48:52] <toudi_> OWhite: hi
[14:49:02] <OWhite> hello.
[14:49:17] <toudi_> OWhite: what hardware you're using?
[14:50:00] <OWhite> pico systems, Universal Stepper Control card, but not sure if that answers your question.
[14:52:20] <toudi_> OWhite: what linuxcnc version?
[14:52:31] <OWhite> relevant print file:
http://textdump.net/read/791/
[14:52:40] <OWhite> LINUXCNC - 2.5.0
[14:53:41] <pcw_home> you probably need to post your dmesg to track down whats gone wrong
[14:55:57] <toudi_> OWhite: try 2.5.1 version
[14:56:07] <tjb1> Tom_itx: You here?
[14:56:12] <OWhite> toudi_: ok.
[14:56:21] <toudi_> there was some fix in ppc driver probably related to your problem
[14:58:50] <OWhite> toudi_: thanks. I'm looking at the docs for updating and will try it.
[14:59:28] <tjb1> Tom_itx: If you get this, do you think you can help me later tonight set up a lights/toggles in axis?
[14:59:36] <tjb1> set up a few...
[15:02:21] <OWhite> thanks people.
[15:22:31] <Tom_itx> later on yes
[15:22:55] <Tom_itx> there are examples though
[15:24:01] <r00t4rd3d> lights?
[15:24:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html
[15:24:32] <Tom_itx> 'leds
[15:41:01] <tjb1> Thanks Tom_itx, Ill take a look at that soon…is there also a list somewhere of commands you can use in Hal? I seen in JTs torch height HAL that he is calling like current velocity and requested velocity
[15:42:31] <tjb1> Sorry, torch height .comp file
[15:47:18] <JT-Shop> tjb1:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[15:47:29] <JT-Shop> at the bottom
[15:48:33] <tjb1> Thanks JT-Shop
[15:48:50] <tjb1> Looks like java… -.-
[16:15:40] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:17:49] <tjb1> JT-Shop: Is this the tutorial for the comp file?
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html
[17:29:53] <owhite> micges: toudi_ ....thanks for your help earlier. Upgrading to 2.5.1 fixed the "waiting for s.axes" error.
[17:30:27] <micges> welcome
[18:25:59] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/7rBRr
[19:16:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=497_1350476767
[19:19:01] <ReadError> awwww yea
[19:19:06] <ReadError> got everything ordered for my printer
[19:19:11] <ReadError> besides like the motors and hotend
[19:26:30] <owhite> people, I am upgrading from an old version of emc2 to 2.5.1. I used to use a very early version of the component hal_m5i20, which has been deprecated to hal_pci. Would anyone have any suggestion for the firmware that I could load that reproduce the pins that were created in hal_m5i20 in the new components?
[19:27:02] <owhite> *reproduces
[19:28:30] <PCW> unfortunately theres no 1-1 firmware/driver that replaces the pins (the pin names come from the driver)
[19:29:41] <owhite> okay. Any recommendation for what I would do next?
[19:30:14] <PCW> so this is a servo config?
[19:31:27] <owhite> no. My m5i20 board connects to a custom made pcb, that I use to measure and send digital signals to a laser. So all my pins are used for digital I/O.
[19:35:44] <PCW> so basically you will just have to rename the I/O bits (and set output bits to output mode)
[19:36:08] <jdh> do you vent your oil pumps after changing oil?
[19:36:15] <jdh> <urk>
[19:37:45] <owhite> and to input mode yes. The problem is that I'm using the (really great) pncconf, it keeps complaining I "forgot to designate a stepper or pwm signal for axis X", well, I'm not driving steppers, and it doesnt let me move to the next configuration page.
[19:38:11] <andypugh> owhite: Basically you can use any firmware at all in that case, but need to declare zero of all the functions (like stepgens and encoders)
[19:38:32] <andypugh> However, it seems like an odd way to use a Mesa card.
[19:38:57] <owhite> well I maxxed all the i/o on my parallel ports. >shrug<
[19:39:40] <owhite> andypugh, I do that, any idea why the pncconf wont let me pass the error I'm getting?
[19:39:49] <andypugh> A 7i43 on the parport would have been cheaper.
[19:40:33] <andypugh> I am afraid I know almost nothing about pncconf.
[19:40:34] <PCW> probably because its pretty rare not to use at least some hardware in the FPGA
[19:40:35] <owhite> when I bought my m5i20 I dont believe they had components for the 7i40.
[19:40:54] <owhite> *7i43.
[19:41:10] <andypugh> No, if you are using that driver then support wasn't there for the parport cards.
[19:41:35] <PCW> you could take the pncconf generated file and patch it later
[19:42:34] <r00t4rd3d> lol, ger21 removed the images of my mini paradise box off cnczone.
[19:42:41] <andypugh> pncconf might be rather over-kill for the application, too.
[19:43:28] <PCW> That is edit by hand = set config line in inifile so all stepgens etc are set to 0
[19:43:29] <PCW> and remove lines in HAL that use the stepgens etc
[19:43:38] <andypugh> You could probably take the old config and fix it with copy-and-replace in gedit
[19:44:11] <owhite> okay, hang on...
[19:46:41] <PCW> might be easier to start with the hm2 servo example files hm2-servo.hal and 5i20.ini
[19:49:02] <PCW> or setup what you can in pncconf and hand edit the result to turn off the 1 stepgen and add your I/O thats on the stepgen pins
[19:49:04] <PCW> unlike m5i20, hm2 will allow you to use all 72 I/O bits as GPIO in any mix of in/out/opendrain
[19:49:38] <owhite> PCW: sounds great. I can do that -without- using the pncconf?
[19:50:52] <PCW> disconnect any daughtercards
[19:50:54] <PCW> start linuxcnc and select hm2servo .. 5i20 from the menu
[19:51:04] <owhite> done.
[19:52:11] <PCW> this will install the /linuxcnc/configs/hm2servo directory and the hm2-servo.hal and 5i20.ini files in that directory
[19:52:17] <owhite> done.
[19:52:49] <PCW> now you can edit the 5i20.ini file to set all the PWMGENS and ENCODERs to 0)
[19:54:18] <owhite> CONFIG="firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=0"
[19:54:47] <PCW> yeah
[19:56:27] <owhite> then customize in the hal file, using "in, out, is_opendrain, is_output"
[19:56:59] <owhite> as in: "setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.048.is_opendrain 1"
[19:57:08] <PCW> Yes, maybe using your partially correct pncconf generated file if you prefer
[19:57:39] <owhite> no. I'll start from scratch. But I think I get the idea.
[19:59:09] <owhite> sorry, I just didnt get that I could configure the firmware at this level, I think those features werent available when i first implemented the m5i20.
[19:59:31] <owhite> i think it was sort of "takeitorleaveit" at that point.
[20:00:54] <PCW> Yeah I think the IO bits had a DDR at the hardware level but the driver simplified things into hardwired groups of 8
[20:01:17] <PCW> m5i20 is really old (5-6 years?)
[20:03:03] <owhite> I posted this after I made the whole system....
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?M5i20_Laser
[20:03:10] <owhite> but there isnt a date stamp on the page.
[20:05:10] <owhite> you can see the whole system is pretty noodle brained since the m5i20 is connecting to a board that makes PWM signals, which the m5i20 could now do on its own.
[20:05:57] <andypugh> Any advantage in deleting the board?
[20:06:37] <PCW> yeah it can, and if you give me your pinout I can make bitfile that puts the pwmgen on the pin you want
[20:07:19] <PCW> deleting which board
[20:07:24] <PCW> ?
[20:08:27] <PCW> If you were generating steps, you can do that in hardware as well
[20:08:54] <owhite> PCW: thanks for the offer. If I go with upgrading the interface to the laser I could take you up on that. If andypugh is asking the question am I ready to eliminate my outdated system, I dont quite see the need for the additional time investment.
[20:09:59] <owhite> I still need to have some additional electronics to interface to the laser, because the manufacturer (Coherent) did not use entirely digital control. They used line driver ICs as part of the interface.
[20:10:03] <andypugh> There is a 5i20 connecting to a board that does a lot of things that the 5i20 is good at. I am wondering if that board does anything that the 5i20 can't do.
[20:10:46] <owhite> andypugh: yes, see above. That being said, it now could be much more elegantly handled given the increased flexibility of the m5i20.
[20:11:15] <PCW> well good luck updating its time to shuffle off to buffalo...
[20:11:22] <owhite> I also have other things that are run by digital I/O using the parallel ports, they could all be consolidated into one system.
[20:11:27] <owhite> PCW: thank you for your help.
[20:12:01] <PCW> bbl
[20:17:52] <Jymmm> http://i47.tinypic.com/4kycfs.jpg
[20:19:42] <jdh> nifty, and miserably cold.
[20:24:07] <andypugh> It would seem like a shame to burn it.
[20:27:19] <owhite> thanks for you help people
[21:44:23] <r00t4rd3d> Ahhh, finally got this weave box files:
[21:44:24] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.carveonecncwoodcraft.com/uploads/1/2/6/5/12655773/640141_orig.jpg
[21:55:34] <r00t4rd3d> my "pot box" forum post got deleted on cnczone :D
[22:07:53] <lwizardl> Hello
[22:10:39] <r00t4rd3d> seen harry?
[22:14:06] <lwizardl> for a small starter mill what do they usually cost for a starter build?
[22:19:23] <Tom_itx> 2k
[22:20:09] <lwizardl> about what I though
[22:22:29] <lwizardl> t
[22:22:50] <Tom_itx> slow connection?
[22:24:21] <lwizardl> no just was reading a couple pages and noticed i forgot the t
[22:24:51] <lwizardl> but i do have comcast for my internet and it does act flaky often
[23:00:24] <MattyMatt> 2k is more than I'd spend
[23:00:42] <MattyMatt> HF mill and ebay steppers
[23:01:48] <MattyMatt> less than 1k for that way
[23:01:58] <lwizardl> hf mill?
[23:02:06] <MattyMatt> my plywood monstrosity was $500 or so
[23:02:26] <MattyMatt> harbour freight. cheapo $400 mill
[23:02:36] <lwizardl> I'd be fine with like plywood or mdf
[23:02:37] <lwizardl> ah
[23:03:22] <MattyMatt> plywood dremel pusher is annoying. for metalwork I'd rather have something smaller made of metal
[23:03:49] <lwizardl> I am mainly going to start off making stuff from plastics
[23:03:58] <MattyMatt> I tried to make something in between a mill and a router
[23:04:05] <lwizardl> like laptop cases etc
[23:04:32] <MattyMatt> http://imgur.com/a/DNWJq#2
[23:04:48] <MattyMatt> ah mine is actually just about the right size for that
[23:05:19] <lwizardl> cool
[23:05:39] <MattyMatt> laptop cases could be done on a proper flatbed. my machine has a lot more Z than you find on most routers
[23:05:53] <lwizardl> i'm more of a console game modder so being able to do things for those are a plus
[23:06:33] <lwizardl> but I also would like to be able to use the cnc mill for cutting the boxes to store my frankenstein stuff in
[23:06:56] <MattyMatt> ah right sounds like you want a flatbed rather than a vertical mill
[23:07:04] <lwizardl> yeah
[23:07:25] <MattyMatt> something like the fireball v90 is a basic one of those
[23:07:38] <lwizardl> like I think I want this but not sure its worth $230.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jbtRTV6uw
[23:07:55] <MattyMatt> http://www.probotix.com/FireBall_v90_cnc_router_kit/
[23:08:59] <MattyMatt> ouch extra $200 for T slot bed. that thing ain't as cheap as I thought
[23:09:12] * MattyMatt looks at your vid
[23:09:35] <lwizardl> it is basically a razorblade holder that pivots
[23:10:31] <MattyMatt> yarr nifty. I might make one for me :)
[23:11:11] <MattyMatt> $230 just for the knife? ridiculus
[23:11:45] <lwizardl> yeah that was what I thought
[23:11:48] <MattyMatt> ridiculissimus
[23:12:04] <lwizardl> it comes in a cnc cut block of wood case with the blades, holder, and allen key
[23:12:13] <lwizardl> but still maybe if it was $100
[23:12:22] <lwizardl> i'd think thats worth it
[23:12:56] <lwizardl> looking at your pictures
[23:13:13] <lwizardl> is that cat5 cable ?
[23:13:44] <MattyMatt> you could make stuff like that on a vertical mill, but not on a flatbed router. that's why I'd rather have one of those most of the time
[23:14:46] <MattyMatt> yeah on the motor there cat5. 2A motor and the conductors are doubled. that's marginal but works
[23:15:35] <MattyMatt> it's only a 2ft run to the driver
[23:17:00] <lwizardl> hehe just was looking at the pics and thought it was networking cable
[23:17:10] <lwizardl> I have used those for other stuff often
[23:20:09] <MattyMatt> http://www.harborfreight.com/two-speed-variable-bench-mill-drill-machine-44991.html cheapo mill (can be had much cheaper 2nd hand)
[23:20:52] <MattyMatt> one of those, stepper motors, toothed pulleys and belts
[23:21:18] <MattyMatt> and a vice and other miscellaneous clamps
[23:21:25] <MattyMatt> total around $1000
[23:21:41] <MattyMatt> a bit of tooling of course
[23:22:39] <lwizardl> yeah I bought this book for building them. Just haven't read it fully yet
[23:22:40] <lwizardl> http://buildyourcnc.com/
[23:22:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.microcarve.com/mcMV1.html
[23:23:07] <MattyMatt> spending a bit more on the motor drivers tahn I did would be worthwhile I think. I persevere with the classic crappy chinese 4 axis
[23:23:39] <lwizardl> r00t4rd3d, yeah says electronics not included
[23:24:36] <r00t4rd3d> 3 steppers , a controller, spindle w/ mount
[23:25:52] <r00t4rd3d> for 700 though I could build a sweet machine
[23:25:58] <r00t4rd3d> alot bigger then that one
[23:32:18] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lHQqCd7hOEw
[23:33:21] <r00t4rd3d> about 1 minute in
[23:34:38] <lwizardl> nice
[23:35:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAWF-qhh4pQ&feature=related
[23:36:25] <lwizardl> this peeked my interest even more in a cnc machine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayYhBhYcJj0&feature=plcp
[23:37:32] <lwizardl> seems like a great was to create the mold for a vacuum former
[23:38:21] <r00t4rd3d> funny, I asked for the model files for that from them.
[23:40:26] <lwizardl> i would also
[23:44:11] <MattyMatt> or you could do it negative and do fiberglass in it
[23:45:07] <MattyMatt> or as its against your face, you could do it positive so the shiny side is inside. you can sand the outside
[23:46:43] <lwizardl> yeah
[23:47:27] <lwizardl> for the last year or so I have been trying to decide which machine to build first. still leaning more towards cnc then vacuum former, and then 3d printer
[23:47:59] <MattyMatt> I did cnc then printer. no urge for vacuum former yet
[23:48:51] <MattyMatt> I got a lathe before I did the printer too. that pays a chunk of itself when making the printer
[23:49:49] <lwizardl> yeah
[23:50:15] <lwizardl> plus i bet the parts last longer made of wood versus plastic
[23:50:41] <MattyMatt> not really. opposite if anything
[23:51:03] <MattyMatt> wood's only real virtues are it's cheap and light
[23:53:18] <MattyMatt> and easy to work, but no easier than plastic. you can use woodwork tools and techniques on plastics
[23:54:04] <MattyMatt> and plastics you don't have to worry about grain and splitting
[23:54:57] <MattyMatt> I'd avoid a lot of pain and go straight to aluminium
[23:55:16] <MattyMatt> unless you are really skint, in which case wood gets you going
