#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-09-23

[00:02:26] <L33TG33KG34R> My table turned out AWESOME!
[00:03:07] <archivist> pcw_home, they need a lot of power to the tooling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kzk3_uzRAg
[00:03:34] <toastydeath> usually 5 hp heads
[00:04:05] <toastydeath> inside the turret
[00:04:10] <toastydeath> direct drive
[00:04:40] <archivist> I have seen them at shows, they make a "bit" of noise
[00:05:33] <toastydeath> skreeeee
[00:06:02] <pcw_home> Yow!
[00:06:26] <toastydeath> they're louder than most people expect because direct drive machines tend to want to run really goddamn fast
[00:06:47] <toastydeath> inserted tooling and CAM tool path optimization
[00:07:25] <pcw_home> I notice the spindle speeds were 3000 to 6000 RPM
[00:08:04] <archivist> they are taking large cuts too
[00:08:51] <pcw_home> maybe thats why its built with resin/concrete ((damping)
[00:09:24] <toastydeath> nah, 3k to 6k isn't that fast all things considered
[00:09:32] <toastydeath> resin is the new hotness because it's cheap to produce
[00:10:24] <toastydeath> there's too many variables in resin casting to say how any one machine to the next is going to perform with damping
[00:11:11] <toastydeath> even though everyone and their mother has an internet boner for it
[00:14:06] <pcw_home> Doesn't sound too useful as a general tool however (unless you are making couplings)
[00:15:18] <pcw_home> Thanks for finding that archivist
[00:15:53] <archivist> another tool type for linuxcnc one day :)
[00:16:43] <toastydeath> no way, that's super useful as a general tool
[00:17:13] <toastydeath> but it's a general tool in the equipped machine shop sense, not the hobby sense
[00:17:34] <toastydeath> if you have one lathe, the biggest most general machine is best
[00:18:10] <toastydeath> but when you have 5-6 lathes, that big lathe falls to the wayside for edge cases because a smaller 7 axis machine with a .2m/.1m travel covers a ton of jobs
[00:18:24] <archivist> I would say they are for production qty not one off
[00:18:34] <toastydeath> oh, agree
[00:19:25] <toastydeath> programming and proving multiaxis machines takes a long time and usually require 5-10 parts to break even
[00:19:43] <toastydeath> unless it's a weird job like an engine block or something horrifying
[00:24:24] <archivist> hmm, I could make hex bolts for the model engineering market on my sliding head if I gear the live tooling it has
[00:25:52] <toastydeath> hex rotary broaches are pretty easy to make too
[02:19:49] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:27:19] <MattyMatt> does anyone know a submini opto slot, preferably on mouser? these full sized ones are a bit of a squeeze in this mini spindle I'm making
[03:27:58] <MattyMatt> I'd use one out of a ball mouse but they demand a specific slot spacing to give quadrature
[03:28:46] <MattyMatt> and none of the wheels are big enough to go round an 8mm shaft
[03:29:17] <MattyMatt> and there's no way I can make slots as fine as those
[03:30:30] * MattyMatt wishes he still had old atari trackball
[05:32:52] <awallin> did anyone use clang on ubuntu? to detect more warnings/errors in c++ code compared to what gcc detects?
[07:37:56] <jthornton> I think the buildbot does or seb does
[07:57:18] <cncbasher> anyone familar with nml errors ? http://pastebin.com/EbiHc2Bs
[07:59:29] <alex_joni> cncbasher: yup
[07:59:34] <alex_joni> your nml buffer is too small
[07:59:51] <alex_joni> most likely you're using an old emc.nml file with a newer emc2/linuxcnc
[08:00:01] <cncbasher> yes your right
[08:00:03] <alex_joni> probably upgraded recently?
[08:00:07] <cncbasher> it's an old file
[08:00:21] <alex_joni> try just renaming the emc.nml file to something else, and don't supply one
[08:00:37] <alex_joni> newer linuxcnc versions use an implicit one anyways (iirc)
[08:01:47] <alex_joni> here's a recent one: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=configs/common/emc.nml;h=3b3d72b0f9087cb044be3c6e9bf6e20f47721328;hb=da32a1cab7f1efc5493cabc73191fbab45bb3220
[08:02:03] <alex_joni> the only change I remember is that emcStatus has size 16384
[08:02:19] <alex_joni> it was 10208 or so in the older days
[08:02:57] <cncbasher> ok back in a min Alex
[08:06:42] <cncbasher> still the same error
[08:07:44] <micges> try to remove emc.nml from ini file
[08:15:54] <cncbasher_> try'd removing the nml still the same errors
[08:17:32] <JT-Shop> I have two machines one with a 5i20 + 7i33 and one with a 5i25 + 7i77. The MPG's are connected the same way but the 5i25 machine each click the axis moves faster than a G0 move, the 5i20 machine does not do this
[08:18:09] <JT-Shop> the hal is the same between both machines... I must be missing something
[08:22:49] <JT-Shop> cncbasher: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UPDATING#emc_nml_changes
[08:23:15] <JT-Shop> looks to be the same as your error libnml/buffer/physmem.cc 143: PHYSMEM_HANDLE: Can't write 11612 bytes at offset 60 from buffer of size 10208.
[08:23:53] <micges> JT-Shop: linuxcnc versions are also the same?
[08:24:47] <JT-Shop> hmm, no the CHNC with the 5i20 is running a pre release version of 2.5 still
[08:26:04] <micges> JT-Shop: paste whole config somewhere, I'll take a look
[08:26:13] <micges> configs*
[08:26:27] <JT-Shop> ok
[08:31:13] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/files/hardinge.tar.gz
[08:31:36] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/files/BP-5i25.tar.gz
[08:31:36] <cncbasher> ok fixed the nml error now this one http://pastebin.com/1aPrMWeL
[08:33:11] <JT-Shop> copy and paste permission problem? /home/david/linuxcnc/configs/zenbot-emcrepstrap/repstrap-extruder.hal:3: execv(/home/david/linuxcnc/configs/zenbot-emcrepstrap/repstrap-extruder.py): Permission denied
[08:34:06] <cncbasher> ok i'll check then buy some new glasses
[08:34:13] <JT-Shop> lol
[08:34:42] <cncbasher> well it cant be my eyes their been fine for 50+ years
[08:34:43] <JT-Shop> I broke my new glasses and have fallen back on one of the dozen laying about
[08:34:56] <JT-Shop> that's what I thought too
[08:35:38] <cncbasher> are the cant find -sec errors related to anything else ?
[08:36:06] <JT-Shop> dunno, I always go for what I understand first and that seems to work
[08:36:20] <JT-Shop> micges: tar.gz ok?
[08:37:39] <JT-Shop> up to 49F now, going to be a nice ride in the woods this morning
[08:38:18] <JT-Shop> brb
[08:38:37] <cncbasher> arh set file as execuite as program did it
[08:38:46] <cncbasher> than ks JT
[08:46:55] <JT-Shop> your welcome
[08:59:23] <micges> JT-Shop: nothing strange in configs
[08:59:59] <JT-Shop> thanks for looking
[09:00:35] <micges> describe what's happening on 5i25
[09:01:53] <JT-Shop> if I set the jog increment to 0.001 and move the mpg one click it thumps, if I use 0.1 it moves faster than a rapid move
[09:02:32] <JT-Shop> I can do g0x0.001 or 0.1 and the move is fast and smooth
[09:03:11] * JT-Shop will be back in a couple of hours
[09:08:37] <JT-Shop> if you think of anything I'll read back
[09:08:55] <toudi_> ok
[09:24:04] <pcw_home> JT-Shop: if you still have 5V problems that can cause analog output issues
[09:24:07] <pcw_home> which might cause a thump (though these would likely cause a following error as well)
[09:49:11] <pcw_home> An easy way to check if the jog problem is with LinuxCNC or some PS /other obscure 5I25 issue
[09:49:13] <pcw_home> would be to unlink the axis.N.jog-counts pin from the encoder and just setp axis.N.jog-counts to 0,4,8 etc
[09:49:15] <pcw_home> (for a single MPG tic equivalents)
[09:59:32] <jp_> just found ou my parents shop burnt to the ground last night
[10:00:06] <Loetmichel> jp_: condolences: how did THAT happen?
[10:04:28] <jp_> dont know yet
[10:07:21] <jp_> let this be a friendly reminder. You never know what ma come your way
[11:25:44] <rev3> hey guys I've got a quick question on the g10 command in axis, if i run a g10 l20 it seems that the coordinate marker moves in space, but the drawn in gcode does not move, unless I reset axis.. so is there a command (hal or otherwise) to refresh the display?
[11:29:28] <micges> click a reload button on Axis
[11:29:58] <rev3> yep that does it, now is there a halui for doing that?
[11:30:21] <micges> let me see
[11:31:09] <micges> I think not
[11:31:19] <micges> but you can use axis-remote program
[11:31:53] <micges> axis-remote --reload
[11:33:04] <rev3> hang on I'm catching up :) looking for some documentation on that...
[11:34:24] <rev3> ok I found it, so that would need to go into an M file or maybe python?
[11:34:36] <micges> you can put this in 101.sh file
[11:35:04] <micges> add [HALUI] MDI_COMMAND = m101 to ini file
[11:35:32] <micges> and you will have halui.mdi-command-00 pin that will reload preview
[11:38:14] <rev3> giving it a whirl, thanks!
[11:42:28] <rev3> seems to work, but now there is another strange thing going on... what I have is a one button touch off for xyza, there is a slight delay while it's reloading, but when its done the displayed numbers don't change, unless I do a g55 and then back to g54 in mdi
[11:43:14] <rev3> then z (or what ever) shows zero, even though the displayed cut path does indeed change :)
[11:45:42] <rev3> same issue exists even if I hit the reload button in axis.
[11:46:59] <rev3> I guess I could make the button call several commands, the first the G10 and the axis-reload, then a g55, then back to g54... something like:
[11:48:33] <rev3> G55 G10 L20 P3 v0y0z0w0a0x0 M155 o<fix_zero_to_g54>call, where the M155 is the 'axis-remote --reload' and the o call is the G55, G54...
[11:48:59] <rev3> or rather in this case, G54, and back to G55
[12:14:14] <IchGuckLive> Hi all from the Sunny germany
[12:14:22] <rev3> humm... ok I ended up with a o<zerog54>call o word, looks like this:
[12:14:24] <rev3> o<zerog54> sub
[12:14:25] <rev3> G54
[12:14:25] <rev3> G10 L20 P1 x0y0z0a0
[12:14:25] <rev3> (debug, reloading gcode...)
[12:14:25] <rev3> M155
[12:14:26] <rev3> (debug, done!)
[12:14:28] <rev3> G55
[12:14:30] <rev3> (debug, return to co.)
[12:14:32] <rev3> G54
[12:14:34] <rev3> o<zerog54> endsub
[12:14:36] <rev3> and emc returns:
[12:14:42] <rev3> reloading gcode...
[12:14:48] <rev3> and then give an error:
[12:15:17] <IchGuckLive> live from the Oktoberfest
[12:15:20] <IchGuckLive> http://www.muenchen-tv.de/livestream/muenchentv.html
[12:15:38] <IchGuckLive> rev3: please use a pasteservice
[12:16:29] <IchGuckLive> rev3: why dont you use a button and mdi command
[12:16:37] <IchGuckLive> via pyvcp
[12:16:45] <IchGuckLive> to do your move
[12:16:50] <rev3> I am, gladevcp
[12:16:59] <rev3> what is a paste service?
[12:17:33] <IchGuckLive> pastebin fpr example for your g-code example
[12:17:39] <rev3> can't do that (EMC_TASK_PLAN_OPEN) in manual mode
[12:19:09] <rev3> the button calls the mdi command to execute the oword call
[12:20:05] <IchGuckLive> you can direct access G0 G54 X0 Y0 Z0
[12:20:35] <IchGuckLive> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gladevcp.html
[12:22:29] <rev3> trying out pastebin: http://pastebin.com/WQ5VGy0f thanks, sorry about that
[12:24:45] <IchGuckLive> you only need in the O sub G0 G54 G90 X0 Y0 Z0
[12:25:09] <IchGuckLive> maybe G20/21 also
[12:25:17] <IchGuckLive> then it will move
[12:25:32] <rev3> IchGuckLive: I see you just joined us, I am working on a one button touch off for XYZA, but there are issues with the code preview, solved with axis-reload in an M file, then the displayed Z position for example does not update and causes travel errors, unless I bounce back and forth from G54 to G55 then back to G54, I put all of that in an o word call, but now I get that weired (EMC_TASK_PLAN_OPEN) error
[12:26:44] <IchGuckLive> version ?
[12:27:40] <rev3> 2.5.1
[12:27:59] <IchGuckLive> on 10.04 or later
[12:28:07] <rev3> yeah
[12:28:35] <IchGuckLive> there are constent changes to the glade interpreter
[12:29:06] <IchGuckLive> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ if it is ok for you update to masterbranch
[12:30:53] <rev3> well I still get the error if I enter the o<zerog54>call into the MDI
[12:33:36] <rev3> That is a cool link!
[12:35:43] <IchGuckLive> first to my info WHY do you do THIS there is a Homing all button in AXIS
[12:40:00] <rev3> Homing is different then touching off, I am trying to make it easier for the end user to simply put the tooling where they want to local zero to be in the workspace, and only require a single button push.
[12:40:55] <IchGuckLive> ah ok
[12:41:14] <IchGuckLive> so why dont you simply write the tooltable file
[12:41:48] <IchGuckLive> or do you want to be the g54-58 to be the offset
[12:42:19] <IchGuckLive> only length ?
[12:42:28] <IchGuckLive> or also diameter messurmenth
[12:43:03] <IchGuckLive> in any way to get this regionised you need to relod the tooltable and the g-code
[12:43:38] <IchGuckLive> G43 Hxxx
[12:44:08] <IchGuckLive> gives you the length offset does not meter witch tool is loaded the ofset is calculated on the number
[12:44:27] <IchGuckLive> you can combinate Tool 1 to all other length offset
[12:45:44] <IchGuckLive> Example if you get 1mm in tooltabel length offset of tool 2 and you call T1 M6 ...G43 H2 it will stay 1mm above
[12:45:54] <Aero-Tec> there is a sample Gcode for testing axis
[12:46:07] <Aero-Tec> anyone got a quick link to it?
[12:46:15] <Aero-Tec> or know where to find it?
[12:46:36] <IchGuckLive> Aero-Tec: movement test
[12:46:46] <IchGuckLive> or function test
[12:47:04] <Aero-Tec> for testing the settings
[12:47:20] <Aero-Tec> to make sure your not missing steps and such
[12:47:58] <Aero-Tec> you know, it goes back and forth a ton ot times and then you make sure it comes back to 0
[12:48:42] <IchGuckLive> yust wriht your own need
[12:49:40] <IchGuckLive> get a dial to -somewhat move in positiv as you like and move back to the dial
[12:49:52] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn1bJ3YAQdI
[12:50:09] <Aero-Tec> the setup wizard has a test like that, but for some reason the setup wizard will not move any axis on my machine
[12:50:22] <IchGuckLive> bad
[12:50:29] <Aero-Tec> it used to
[12:50:35] <Aero-Tec> and emc does
[12:50:51] <IchGuckLive> the driver enable maybe
[12:51:02] <Aero-Tec> guess the backlash setting may of made the wiz not work
[12:59:23] <IchGuckLive> rev3: still on
[13:01:12] <IchGuckLive> linuxcnc_2.6.0~pre0.3147.g26577cb_source Sun, 22 Jul 2012 gladvcp -allow while loop handling * Reflect whether the touch-off is CHANGLOG
[13:02:06] <IchGuckLive> by im off
[13:16:39] <JT-Shop> pcw_home: setp axis.0.jog-counts makes it jump just like using the MPG, I have a 5v power supply on the way to test with
[13:16:47] <JT-Shop> be back in a bit
[13:17:22] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: you find the test axis info yet?
[13:18:41] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Stepper_Diagnostics.html#_testing
[13:24:26] <skunkworks__> JT-Shop: what is the issue? http://pastebin.com/bK9f9NST
[13:28:44] <pcw_home> I guess you could HALScope commanded position (axis.N.motor-pos-cmd)
[13:28:46] <pcw_home> and see if it violates the accel limits
[13:34:05] <pcw_home> (During a jog)
[14:16:17] <JT-Shop> skunkworks__: I've tried vel mode on and off... my scale is 1 hmmm
[14:35:09] <skunkworks__> JT-Shop: iirc my jog wheel is 400 cpr or 1600 ppr
[14:39:33] <JT-Shop> mine is the same iirc
[14:40:00] <JT-Shop> I'll give that a try when I get done fabricating these posts
[14:46:31] <r00t4rd3d> forum posts?
[14:47:36] <JT-Shop> porch posts
[14:53:11] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[15:12:01] <JT-Shop> skunkworks__: encoder scale does not change encoder count only endoder position
[15:25:11] <JT-Shop> motor pos cmd has a steep ramp, encoder vel is real steep and jumps up and down
[15:25:47] <micges> screen shots please
[15:27:04] <JT-Shop> working on it
[15:29:03] <JT-Shop> that's a 0.010" move with one click of the MPG http://imagebin.org/229531
[15:33:52] <JT-Shop> a g0 x0.1" rapid move http://imagebin.org/229532
[15:39:00] <JT-Shop> with the MPG I get 4 moves per click it seems
[15:46:35] <micges> JT-Shop: put also pid.output to scope
[15:46:57] <micges> and encoder counts
[15:53:12] <JT-Shop> ok
[15:56:08] <micges> and check if there is position decrease when encoder velocity is going to minus on scope
[15:57:37] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/229536
[16:00:08] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/229537
[16:01:42] <micges> what is this tick before move?
[16:01:50] <micges> on enoceder counts
[16:03:39] <JT-Shop> on the g0 move?
[16:04:17] <micges> no idea
[16:04:42] <micges> on second screen shot there is rapid change of counts before move
[16:05:08] <micges> yes g0
[16:05:29] <JT-Shop> it goes -1 then 0 then -19
[16:06:00] <micges> ah
[16:07:09] <JT-Shop> when I change the scale it looks normal
[16:07:30] <micges> ok
[16:07:49] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, still fighting MPG jog speed?
[16:07:52] <JT-Shop> another shot http://imagebin.org/229539
[16:09:43] <micges> did you tried what pcw_home wrote?
[16:10:20] <micges> unlink axis.x.counts and setp it directly to see if it's lcnc problem or else
[16:10:36] <JT-Shop> yes, it still sounds the same
[16:10:57] <JT-Shop> I wonder if I have the drives tuned too stiff or have my acceleration too high?
[16:12:09] <micges> if so it is config problem not encder
[16:12:45] <micges> how did you tuned servos?
[16:13:29] <micges> ignore above
[16:13:34] <JT-Shop> changing acceleration from 30 to 10 does slow it down, so it is following the acceleration
[16:14:57] <micges> so it doesn't cross ini file settings now?
[16:15:39] <JT-Shop> yes it follows the ini setting, I just changed it to test
[16:19:11] <micges> good
[16:19:13] <micges> bbl
[16:34:00] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop: thanks for the link
[16:34:07] <Aero-Tec> just what I was looking for
[19:32:29] <tjb1> Any other linuxcnc manuals that would be useful to print?
[19:32:40] <jdh> print? novel concept.
[19:34:31] <tjb1> Im not a fan of pdfs
[19:34:37] <Jymmm> jdh: dead trees
[19:34:43] <tjb1> Well large pdfs...
[19:35:11] <tjb1> I did the integrator manual
[19:37:10] <Tom_itx> what for?
[19:44:54] <tjb1> What for what?
[19:45:21] <Tom_itx> why waste the paper
[19:45:24] <r00t4rd3d> why would you print a manual that will one day be out of date and readily available online?
[19:46:10] <r00t4rd3d> you read while you shit or something?
[19:46:13] <tjb1> <tjb1: Im not a fan of pdfs>
[19:46:28] <jdh> tablet/phone works fine.
[19:52:57] <tjb1> no suggestions eh.
[20:04:03] <jdh> sorry, foreign concept for me.
[20:04:55] <Tom_itx> gcode ref
[20:06:34] <tjb1> Where is the gcode reference?
[20:07:34] <alpha1125> tjb1: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode.html
[20:08:02] <alpha1125> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Gcode is so out of date… :(
[20:08:04] <alpha1125> oh well.
[20:09:25] <Tom_itx> not sure
[20:09:29] <Tom_itx> where the pdf is
[20:10:06] <tjb1> Its not in the docs area
[20:10:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html
[20:10:20] <Tom_itx> is the online one
[20:10:25] <tjb1> Well not the 2.5 docs area
[20:16:36] <tjb1> Progress - http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/240518_4350000864181_1520748192_o.jpg
[20:17:05] <jdh> nice garage
[20:18:05] <tjb1> Yeah its messy, so what :)
[20:18:24] <jdh> nah, seriously.
[20:18:34] <tjb1> There was a car and a small rack in the place of the plasma cutter a month ago
[20:18:50] <jdh> space, tools, stuff :)
[20:19:06] <jdh> get that green thing out of there and all kinds of room.
[20:21:56] <jdh> all of our machines at work have to be painted some specific sherwin williams shade of blue. Nice to see something non-blue.
[20:23:26] <tjb1> Yeah
[20:28:59] <jdh> lack of one?
[20:34:00] <tjb1> yes and lack of inputs for one
[20:34:40] <jdh> http://www.adorama.com/VDCSXS.html?gclid=CJXe4O2GzbICFQs5nAodgXoApg
[20:34:59] <jdh> I got one of those. Not quite a 100count MPG, but does work.
[20:35:39] <tjb1> usb?
[20:35:46] <jdh> yep
[20:35:50] <tjb1> hmm
[20:35:56] <tjb1> still lacking inputs for the other stuff
[20:36:04] <tjb1> I need another parallel port but I dont know what will work
[20:36:09] <Connor> jdh: You like he ShuttleXpress ?
[20:36:22] <jdh> Connor: it's good for moving the mill around.
[20:36:34] <Connor> Yea, I was looking to get one at some point.
[20:36:49] <jdh> one of the buttons jumps between jog distance but there is no feedback as to which one is selected.
[20:36:55] <Connor> I think Tormach has one they've gotten silked screened for their mills.
[20:37:09] <jdh> guess a pyvcp or something display could show it.
[20:37:43] <jdh> there is a wiki entry for some pci p-port cards that work well. I'd just get a mesa
[20:39:35] <tjb1> mesa what?
[20:40:06] <jdh> 5i25 + 7i76?
[20:40:28] <Connor> Anyone recommend some good Coolant ? I'm thinking of trying this.. http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4119&category=
[20:40:46] <Connor> Looks like you mix it with something.. Water ??
[20:41:00] <tjb1> $210 no thanks :)
[20:41:44] <jdh> $199 for the combo with cable
[20:41:58] <jdh> buy 5 and it's only $159 :)
[20:43:09] <tjb1> I have the g540
[20:43:15] <tjb1> I dont need a step/dir setup :)
[20:43:23] <tjb1> I just need more I/O
[20:43:42] <jdh> you don't have to use it for step/dir
[20:43:55] <jdh> but, yeah, pricey for just additional IO
[20:44:07] <tjb1> I just need a damn parallel card that works
[20:44:13] <tjb1> got one off fleabay…doesnt work
[20:44:26] <tjb1> not that I am surprised
[20:44:42] <jdh> not at all, or not with lcnc?
[20:44:53] <tjb1> I was trying on windows
[20:45:18] <tjb1> On another computer that didnt have a parallel, it was coming up as c800 and I couldnt get it recognized in anything
[20:47:37] <jdh> I got a cheap netmos pci card in my router PC
[20:48:50] <jdh> works for IO, won't work with my mesa 7i43 though
[20:49:12] <tjb1> I found a nice BOB on ebay…almost bought it once
[20:49:22] <tjb1> I actually lost the auction by $.25
[20:50:40] <ReadError> whats the purposes of these mesa cards?
[20:50:45] <ReadError> seems like a royal PITA
[20:50:52] <ReadError> from the talk ive seen about them
[20:51:06] <tjb1> To say you have a Mesa :P
[20:51:09] <jdh> lots of IO, does the stepgen in HW so most PC latency issues aren't a problem.
[20:52:48] <tjb1> Does it give you more IO than just the parallel port?
[20:53:11] <jdh> my 7i43 has 48
[20:53:32] <Tom_itx> that's what i have on my mill
[20:54:00] <Tom_itx> ReadError they offload alot of the work
[20:54:14] <Tom_itx> make life alot easier
[20:54:17] <ReadError> ya but everyone is always like oh i have a problem with my mesa
[20:54:24] <Tom_itx> not really
[20:54:31] <Tom_itx> just noob stuff afik
[20:54:45] <Tom_itx> the 5i25 is a fairly new card
[20:55:02] <Tom_itx> so not alot of users using it yet
[20:55:04] <tjb1> I was just gonna grab this - http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=45
[20:55:17] <jdh> I'd trade my 7i43 for a 5i25.
[20:55:22] <Tom_itx> :)
[20:55:23] <Tom_itx> me too
[20:55:40] <Tom_itx> jdh what daughter card do you have on it?
[20:55:42] <jdh> Connor: you have a c10?
[20:56:05] <jdh> Tom: 7i47 and 7i37TA
[20:56:21] <Tom_itx> i wish i had the 7i37
[20:56:30] <Tom_itx> it's just a breakout isn't it?
[20:56:40] <Tom_itx> i just tapped into the header on mine
[20:57:04] <jdh> 7i42 is plain brakeout. This one is isolated 8out/16in
[20:59:09] <jdh> the opto inputs work with 5-24. works with AC also, but never seen a use for that.
[21:01:53] <tjb1> Tom_itx: Can you recommend a cheap parallel port that works with linuxcnc
[21:02:24] <Tom_itx> not off hand
[21:02:39] <Tom_itx> i use the 7i43 on my onboard parport
[21:02:40] <jdh> netmos 9845, 9865
[21:03:24] <pcw_home> Yeah NetMOS cards are known to work (just not with our stuff)
[21:04:10] <jdh> I have a 9815 that seems to work but I've read they are not great.
[21:04:48] <tjb1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SYBA-SYB-SY-PCI10002-I-O-Card-2Port-Parallel-Printer-PCI-Netmos-9865-Chip-/251058187500?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a743becec
[21:04:50] <tjb1> That?
[21:05:33] <jdh> yep
[21:05:47] <pcw_home> should work fine (once you figure out its base address)
[21:06:10] <jdh> heh, it's one of the ones listed :)
[21:08:58] <tjb1> added to list of things to buy...
[21:09:21] <tjb1> How is that one 2 port?
[21:09:57] <jdh> header on the card for the 2nd port
[21:24:37] <FinboySlick> Hmmm... At initial measurements, I'm getting 0.0035"/4" of X lean on the Z axis, and about 0.003"/4" of lean on Y. I sort of wish I had something more reliable to do this with than a square.
[21:30:34] <FinboySlick> pcw_home: Do you still have the pinout info I had given you for my syil mill?
[21:31:21] <FinboySlick> pcw_home: I had put off buying a card but I figure I might as well now.
[21:44:23] <tjb1> JT-Shop: You here?
[21:44:58] <FinboySlick> pcw_home: Have to get going... I'll poke you tomorrow if you're around.
[21:54:54] <pcw_home> FinboySlick (should you read this later) Yes I have that pinout but is been a while maybe it should be verified
[22:33:31] <Connor> jdh: Yea, I'm using a C10
[22:48:32] <tjb1> Connor: How do you like the C10? any complaints?