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[02:13:15] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:29:11] <DJ9DJ> re
[06:19:01] <Anon2133> Hello, I've just set up a CNC lathe to use a stepper motor to power the spindle. I've edited the .hal file so that I can run the motor, which is controlled via step/dir, using the normal spindle commands however I can't work out how to use it with threading. It appears that I need to put the encoder settings in the .hal file, however clearly I don't have an encoder. Perhaps the step input could be divided by the number of steps per r
[06:22:07] <rob_h> you do need an encoder of sorts on the spindle to thread, as u need a mark pulse once every spindle revolution ie, to denote start of thread position, as well an A & B chanel
[06:34:45] <jthornton> morning Rob
[07:07:18] <cncbasher> problem is you also need a single pulse per rev , for sync
[07:07:28] <cncbasher> as well as rpm speed
[07:08:46] <cncbasher> iv'e done it both ways with using a shaft encoder and also as 2 seperate opto's both work well
[07:11:30] <jthornton> I wonder how the axis lathe sim fakes it
[07:13:23] <r00t4rd3d> ask your wife
[07:16:43] <r00t4rd3d> Think I am going to grease up the Disston and go burl huntin.
[08:15:53] <Anon6306> I thought that since I have a stepper motor driving the spindle there should be no need for the encoder
[08:23:20] <JT-Shop> it seems to be possible, look at the Axis lathe sim
[08:25:29] <Anon6306> Where do I find that?
[08:25:55] <Anon6306> oh, found it
[09:04:55] <skunkworks__> you would have to do some hal trickery either way. Either make it a rotory axis and command the threading as z#.##a#.## - or do some sort of hal stuff to fake an index to be able to do g33
[09:13:11] <pcw_home> Yeah a hal comp to generate a fake index would be a nice addition
[09:25:17] <JT-Shop> yikes! I missed something for sure... one click of the mpg at 0.1 per click and it slams to the destination at increable speed
[09:27:04] <pcw_home> Thats a little scary...
[09:29:13] <ScribbleJ> ReadError, ?
[09:37:25] <L84Supper> "Scheduled to be released next month, Ubuntu 12.10 now includes both Amazon ads in the user's dash and by default an amazon store in the user's launcher."
[09:37:43] <L84Supper> looks like 12.04 LTS just missed the fun
[09:37:56] <pcw_home> Just what we've always wanted
[09:38:53] <L84Supper> will LinuxCNC eventually have Amazon ads in realtime?
[09:39:56] <mozmck> Ughbuntu is becoming adware!
[09:43:25] <micges> maybe we should look for other distro?
[09:44:22] <L84Supper> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/online-shopping-features-arrive-in-ubuntu-12-10
[09:45:18] <L84Supper> sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping Log out and back in and shopping results will no longer appear:
[09:45:57] <L84Supper> so they didn't lock it down
[10:03:47] <ScribbleJ> How could they lock it down?
[10:45:50] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, I'm sure you could see how Ubuntu could make it difficult for the average user to turn off, the same way they make it difficult to fix their network manager, X, build custom versions etc etc
[10:46:12] <ScribbleJ> They do?
[10:48:30] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[10:50:41] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, ever try to get the Ubuntu source to bullet proof X or the actual build scripts?
[10:51:39] <ScribbleJ> The source for all ubuntu packages is only as far away as apt-get source <packagename>
[10:51:54] <ScribbleJ> I always have to look up the handy tools for building them but it's something like debhelper dirname, and you're done
[10:52:03] <ScribbleJ> You can patch the source however you like in-between.
[10:52:16] <ScribbleJ> The debian admin guide and package maintainer guide cover it all pretty well, IIRC
[10:55:05] <L84Supper> i wish it was that easy
[10:58:21] <IchGuckLive> B)
[11:00:04] <ScribbleJ> Which package, specifically, is not that easy?
[11:00:14] <ScribbleJ> I'd like to know if I've been lied to by Ubuntu.
[11:12:34] <IchGuckLive> Z88 aurora ScribbleJ
[11:13:00] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, it's true for packages like firefox, Gimp, krita
[11:15:00] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, not so much for building your own versions of the distro or X server setup, configs, install scripts
[11:16:18] <L84Supper> the devs here have to ask the ubuntu devs lots of questions to get a good LinuxCNC live cd working well, the docs never seem to be accurate
[11:16:53] <IchGuckLive> firefox is in a ppa
[11:16:59] <IchGuckLive> gimp also
[11:17:14] <IchGuckLive> krita is beter to use Kdenlive
[11:17:46] <L84Supper> we used to be told by the unbuntu devs not to ask for the source to things like bullet proof X or the ubuntu installer
[11:17:59] <L84Supper> or how to build
[11:18:48] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, never tried the video editor Kdenlive
[11:19:04] <IchGuckLive> it is perfect i do averything with it
[11:19:58] <IchGuckLive> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu
[11:20:04] <L84Supper> better that Adobe Premiere?
[11:20:12] <L84Supper> that/than
[11:20:20] <L84Supper> :)
[11:20:20] <IchGuckLive> and the ubuntu version and main
[11:20:37] <IchGuckLive> this gives you the latest firefox
[11:21:18] <IchGuckLive> http://www.unixmen.com/gimp-2-8-is-out-ppa-ubuntu/
[11:21:35] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, I don't use ubuntu anymore
[11:21:47] <IchGuckLive> up to you
[11:21:53] <L84Supper> i gave up 2 years ago
[11:23:45] <IchGuckLive> im stil on 10.04
[11:23:58] <IchGuckLive> with most of my pc
[11:24:10] <IchGuckLive> 12 out of 16
[11:24:28] <IchGuckLive> the 26 Education pc also run 10.04
[11:36:41] <IchGuckLive> B)
[11:48:55] <r00t4rd3d> i wouldnt brag about that
[11:49:01] <r00t4rd3d> or be proud
[11:49:59] <r00t4rd3d> if i ran ubuntu i would lie and say im on windows
[11:52:22] <L84Supper> instigator!
[12:13:55] <JT-Shop> I see my MPG example is wrong
[12:14:37] <JT-Shop> well maybe not
[12:15:51] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:19:12] * Tom_itx flips a coin
[12:20:56] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/229422
[12:21:48] * JT-Shop forgot how to set up a MPG
[12:23:04] <Tom_itx> i used the 7i47 and faked one side of the differential input and just used A & B
[12:24:28] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/my_jog.hal
[12:24:34] <Tom_itx> there's mine if you need it
[12:24:42] <Tom_itx> the rest of the files are there as well
[12:28:23] <JT-Shop> thanks
[12:29:23] <JT-Shop> pretty much what I have
[12:32:26] <Tom_itx> i figured as much.. i got it from you :)
[12:33:54] <Tom_itx> i think i changed the res on one of the switches though. my steppers didn't like the coarse one so i cut it down a bit
[12:38:46] <JT-Shop> I'm also getting this error when I jog with the mpg which seems odd
http://imagebin.org/229423
[12:39:34] <Tom_itx> that looks like one for andy or pcw
[12:40:28] <Tom_itx> are you using sserial?
[12:41:30] <pcw_home> 7I77.0.0 is the isolated I/O Power issue?
[12:41:45] <pcw_home> or 5V power maybe
[12:43:18] <JT-Shop> too much draw on the 5v?
[12:43:26] <pcw_home> Maybe
[12:43:47] <JT-Shop> it only happens when I spin the MPG
[12:44:19] <pcw_home> I would suspect the 5V
[12:45:35] <pcw_home> once you have a 7I77 loaded with encoders its likely better to not use the cable power (its only good for about an amp)
[12:45:56] <JT-Shop> ok
[12:46:08] * JT-Shop ponders where to get more 5v from
[12:47:04] <pcw_home> a serial break error is a give-away (that means the serial line was in the wrong state for at least a character time)
[12:49:43] <pcw_home> (Unless you have a misconnect and something on the jogwheel is shorting 5V)
[12:50:46] <JT-Shop> let me double check the connections and it could be a problem with the coil cord from the encoder to the electrical cabinet as I had issues before with loosing the MPG
[12:52:31] <JT-Shop> would that also affect how the axis moves when you click the MPG one click. It thumps instead of moving smoothly
[12:54:28] <pcw_home> Maybe (when things are working you can measure the 5V at TB1 so make sure its OK)
[12:55:18] <pcw_home> the error looks like you completely lost 5V to the 7I77
[12:57:58] <JT-Shop> ok, thanks
[13:03:00] <JT-Shop> steady at 4.6v
[13:04:54] <pcw_home> even when you get that error?
[13:05:20] <JT-Shop> yes
[13:05:59] <pcw_home> losing 24V?
[13:08:27] <JT-Shop> I'll check
[13:09:22] <pcw_home> Getting the serial break means someone lost power even for a very short time
[13:10:46] <JT-Shop> 24.4v steady
[13:11:02] <JT-Shop> yea and my meter will not show a short time loss
[13:11:15] <JT-Shop> I'll drag the scope out later and check with it
[13:12:22] <pcw_home> I think the 5V is more likely (since 4.6 is marginal anyway) and the 24V would have to drop out for a pretty long time for the regulator to drop below 3.3V on the isolated side
[13:14:30] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: On building a linuxcnc livecd... Have you looked into buildroot?
[13:14:51] <FinboySlick> It wouldn't offer any upgradability but it'd be extremely light and they already support RTAI kernels.
[13:14:56] <JT-Shop> ok, I think one of the power supplies I pulled from the BP had 5vdc on it
[13:15:09] <fragalot> bah
[13:15:18] <fragalot> blew a speaker, can't find a good enough affordable replacement
[13:15:57] <FinboySlick> fragalot: I have a pair of Altec Lansing A7 that I don't use, would those do? ;)
[13:16:35] <fragalot> FinboySlick: actually, no
[13:17:22] <FinboySlick> I want to build LaScala cabinets for them, make them more 'compact'.
[13:17:25] <fragalot> the first one, yes, but not the rebuild
[13:17:55] <fragalot> on a more serious note, looking for a replacement SEAS 25F-EW woofer
[13:20:34] <Jymmm> http://i45.tinypic.com/2zqe8pg.jpg
[13:21:16] <fragalot> it's missing JAZZ drives!
[13:21:19] <fragalot> and zip drives
[13:21:25] <fragalot> and tapes
[13:21:34] <Jymmm> and 8" floppy
[13:21:39] <fragalot> and sinclair cartridges
[13:21:47] <fragalot> and IBM drives
[13:21:48] <fragalot> :P
[13:21:51] <FinboySlick> Rfff, Jazz drives... What a wonderful way to loose a gig of data (and back then, that was a *lot*)
[13:21:56] <fragalot> and punchcards
[13:22:01] <fragalot> FinboySlick: hehe
[13:22:08] <fragalot> I think I still have some around
[13:23:08] * FinboySlick got burned, sold the drive afterward.
[13:23:17] <IchGuckLive> fragalot: punchcard wars hard on EDM
[13:23:40] <IchGuckLive> 20+ feet of code
[13:28:50] <FinboySlick> How hard would home-made sinker edm be? I assume the electronics are the tricky part.
[14:13:40] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, memleak does all the RTAI work, he just builds from scratch
[14:14:45] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Yeah. Buildroot sort of makes it all pretty automated though. I was quite pleased after using it for another project. Porting linuxcnc to it is definitely on my todo list.
[14:17:02] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, it's a way to learn, if you take it apart you'll see how to just write your own tools
[14:18:36] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, he just builds right for Gentoo now, we tried several projects/distros over the past 6 years or so
[14:19:30] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: It's my day to day distro so I might poke at him for hints sometimes.
[14:20:15] <mrsun> hmm, i need to create a toolpath to make a elevated text out of a piece, with 30 degree faces on the sides of the text and flat topside. . how the heck :/
[14:21:06] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, it was the most simple way for us to support commercial applications with EMC
[14:28:16] <L84Supper> mrsun, have you had any success with PyCAM or Heeks?
[14:28:40] <mrsun> heeks last i used it sucked :/ that is .. prone to crashes =)
[14:28:51] <mrsun> pycam ive never tog tworking good :P
[14:29:12] <JT-Shop> hmm, lowering the jog speed doesn't change how fast the axis moves when I use the MPG
[14:40:03] <jp_> JT-Shop, How's it goin
[14:43:49] <JT-Shop> not bad, fabricating some posts for a construction job
[14:44:03] <JT-Shop> seem to have a brain teaser with my MPG atm
[14:47:54] <jp_> Wrong Vel mode on the MPG
[14:49:07] <JT-Shop> on the endoder?
[14:49:08] <JT-Shop> yea
[14:52:07] <JT-Shop> don't see anything for the encoder
[14:53:41] <jp_> I thought there was an INI param for MPG stuff
[14:56:10] <kirk_wallace> Hello. OT,but what software is used to put lines and text over a webcam view in AXIS?
[14:56:16] <jp_> sorry Hal axis.jog-vel-mode
[14:58:10] <JT-Shop> I tried velocity mode
[14:58:32] <JT-Shop> kirk_wallace: there is plenty of chatter on the forum about webcams and cross hairs
[15:00:53] <jp_> JT-Shop, Come to think of it why would you expect jog-speed to effect MPG
[15:01:37] <kirk_wallace> JT-Shop: Thanks, I just thought someone might know off hand. I'm trying to put a Couder mask over an Xwatv view of my mirror.
[15:02:21] <JT-Shop> jp_: I ran out of good ideas
[15:03:56] <jp_> Most machines i have worked on and my kit as well. MPG is independent of jog speed as far as i've noticed
[15:05:34] <jp_> Just don't whip that little sucker around so fast LOL
[15:06:44] <JT-Shop> it slams with one click
[15:06:59] <jp_> Whoa
[15:07:17] <JT-Shop> or bangs or thumps... moves real fast for each click
[15:07:21] <jp_> Is it moving as per the setting
[15:07:34] <jp_> ie .001 or .010
[15:07:48] <JT-Shop> yes, if I have it on 0.001 each click moves 0.001
[15:08:20] <jp_> and its banging?
[15:10:49] <JT-Shop> yea
[15:11:20] <kirk_wallace> I haven't read the history of this conversation, but "and it's banging" reminds me of when I put an MPG on my mill and I banged while MPG jogging. It turned out to be the software and an upgrade fixed it.
[15:11:58] <jp_> JT-Shop, Want fresh eyes on you HAL?
[15:13:13] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop you figure out how to get the MPG to use the jog speed lemme know :)
[15:13:25] <Tom_itx> right now it's set in the hal file
[15:16:49] <JT-Shop> the hal file
http://pastebin.com/w6b1t26H
[15:17:32] <L84Supper> anyone ever use SolidCAM? How does it compare to MasterCAM that I use?
[15:17:49] <Tom_itx> haven't heard of that one
[15:18:04] <L84Supper> http://www.solidcam.com/
[15:18:34] <Tom_itx> surfcam mastercam smartcam are a few i've heard of
[15:18:38] * FinboySlick uses HSMWorks
[15:18:54] <Tom_itx> and ncpolaris which is an acad addin
[15:18:58] <FinboySlick> (it's a solidworks addon, like solidcam)
[15:19:45] <Tom_itx> if you like solidworks then you should love it
[15:19:58] <Tom_itx> i know nothing about it
[15:20:16] <Tom_itx> do they have a working demo?
[15:20:17] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, you like Solidworks? I'm probably fastest on it for more simple parts
[15:20:45] <Tom_itx> i think JT-Shop should write a how to on it
[15:20:46] <Tom_itx> :)
[15:21:02] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Yeah, and pretty handy with it too. I'm not really good at the CAM bits though so HSMWorks is very good for me.
[15:21:18] <jp_> JT-Shop, Is there a counter mode on the mesa
[15:21:25] <Tom_itx> how do you punch a vertical hole thru a surface?
[15:22:11] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, I'm getting better with NX and I tried ProE but never became proficient
[15:22:31] <JT-Shop> jp_: let me look
[15:22:35] <Tom_itx> any of em take a while
[15:22:49] <Tom_itx> you still gotta figure out fixtures and how to cut the parts
[15:25:03] <JT-Shop> jp_: yes the 5i25 has a counter mode
[15:25:22] <jp_> whats the encoder counter mode set to?
[15:26:25] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop do you find the 5i25 harder to work with than the 7i43?
[15:28:18] <jp_> I would think it would be better
[15:28:29] <jp_> I find it much better
[15:28:42] <jp_> Wiring for sure
[15:32:02] <jp_> JT-Shop, Hal looks fin to me just checked it against mine. they look the same
[15:32:53] <FinboySlick> I was asking earlier, but since more people are awake...
[15:33:51] <FinboySlick> Any advice on a good setup measure and adjust perpendicularity on column? I'll be shimming and this thing is heavy as heck so I'd rather not have too many trial and error.
[15:35:17] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I have no way of knowing, I don't have a 7i43
[15:40:47] <JT-Shop> FinboySlick: I use a dial indicater on a ground plate in the vise on the BP to tram the head
[15:41:59] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: My problem is that if I just adjust the head so that it's perpendicular to the table but the column isn't straight, I'm still going to be off.
[15:50:05] <JT-Shop> rotating head like a BP?
[15:51:00] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: No, all I have is shimming :P I'll have to straighten the column first, then tram to see if the spindle is misaligned.
[15:51:25] <jp_> JT-Shop, What happens when you do a .001 mdi move?
[15:51:56] <JT-Shop> dunno let me try
[15:52:04] <JT-Shop> a G0 move?
[15:52:23] <jp_> G0 or G1 and try at different F's
[15:53:03] <JT-Shop> G0 is smooth
[15:53:38] <jp_> What encoder are you using for the MPG
[15:53:40] <JT-Shop> it's as if the MPG moves are ignoring the acceleration
[15:53:57] <JT-Shop> a typical one like you find on machines
[15:54:13] <jp_> weird
[15:55:37] <jp_> i'll take a look at my hal and INI and see if anything stands out again
[15:57:14] <ReadError> L84Supper
[15:57:17] <ReadError> i like visualmill
[15:57:19] <JT-Shop> ok, I'm back and forth making parts
[16:09:09] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i though you had one
[16:09:24] <Tom_itx> i guess that was a 5i20
[16:11:13] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:13:00] <JT-Shop> yea, I have a couple of 5i20's and a couple of 5i25's
[16:15:40] <Tom_itx> how do they compare setup wise?
[16:22:12] <jp_> JT-Shop, The only thing i could find different was that i had counter mode set to 1 and the encoder4X mode set to 1
[16:28:37] <JT-Shop> I'll give that a try when I get done fabricating these posts
[16:43:04] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: pretty much the same
[16:48:30] <Tom_itx> just curious how the sserial stuff worked
[16:50:36] <jp_> shows up just like i/o on the 7i43
[17:27:40] <ReadError> anyone here cut carbon fiber before?
[17:37:46] <Skullworks> I outsourced it to a waterjet vendor.
[17:41:47] <L33TG33KG34R> yes, typically what happens is that the epoxy melts when the bit is cutting leaving a frayed edge. a waterjet is the best way to cut carbon fibre or to use flood cooling for the carbon fibre to keep it relatively cold
[17:45:34] <jp_> why does linuxcnc reload the prog when you touch off?
[17:45:55] <jp_> at 400000 lines of code that sucks
[17:46:16] <micges> to mach preview to current gcode
[17:46:47] <micges> match*
[17:46:51] <jp_> ah yeah makes sense
[17:48:51] <jp_> still you would think on touching off it would just redraw the tool rel to the work
[17:49:01] <micges> what version you're using?
[17:49:57] <micges> we managed to speed up program (re)loading by up to 50% in 2.5.0
[17:50:13] <jp_> 2.5
[17:55:11] <jp_> Would be nice to shut that off until you ready to reload
[18:47:29] <Nick001-Shop> how do I update 2.5.0 0-pre20-626 to 2.5.1? Also going from emc2 to linuxcnc - what will I lose?
[18:56:12] <r00t4rd3d> Nick001-Shop,
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=9&id=20885
[18:56:25] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait not it
[18:57:33] <r00t4rd3d> err maybe that is it
[18:58:49] <ReadError> i wish there was a "go to origin for x/y"
[18:58:58] <ReadError> then i can center my part and run it
[18:59:31] <JT-Shop> G53
[18:59:44] <Nick001-Shop> I got this ver from buildbot so it can have alot of extraneous stuff in it
[19:00:00] <ReadError> JT-Shop: I can run that and it will go there?
[19:00:18] <ReadError> im talking about if i cut a part
[19:00:22] <ReadError> and am going to cut another
[19:00:33] <JT-Shop> well G53 G0 X0 Y0 will send it to the origin
[19:00:35] <ReadError> i want it to revert back to the exact table position as i touched off before
[19:00:46] <ReadError> since where it ends off might not be where it starts
[19:00:59] <JT-Shop> oh an offset position just G0 X0 Y0
[19:01:43] <JT-Shop> Nick001-Shop: installed or RIP?
[19:02:53] <Nick001-Shop> installed
[19:04:19] <JT-Shop> just follow the instructions on the wiki to get 2.5
[19:05:38] <Nick001-Shop> OK-was wondering if I had to do something special as its not 2.4
[19:06:37] <JT-Shop> just make the synaptic package manager look for the right package
[19:07:11] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
[19:12:26] <Nick001-Shop> will do - thats what I'm looking at and questioned the 2.4 vs the 2.5.0 that I have. Will have to continue tomorrow as dinner bell went off. -)
[19:12:48] <JT-Shop> jp_: it has to reload, you just changed the coordinates
[19:13:28] <JT-Shop> 2.5 buildbot to 2.5 normal installed should be painless iirc
[19:13:36] <JT-Shop> dinner time here too
[19:16:15] <Nick001-Shop> Be back later from home
[19:58:39] <r00t4rd3d> anyone play Kerbal Space Program ?
[20:02:01] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, G28 X0
[20:02:17] <r00t4rd3d> you know them commands?
[20:02:24] <ReadError> nosir
[20:02:35] <ReadError> is there a command to override speed?
[20:02:44] <ReadError> like visualmill hard codes the speed
[20:02:47] <r00t4rd3d> not that i know of
[20:03:01] <ReadError> kinda lame because i dont want to go back and change everything
[20:03:14] <Tom_itx> change it on the axis pannel
[20:04:00] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, in the MRI tab, if you type in G28 X0 , it will send the x axis to where you zeroed it
[20:04:21] <r00t4rd3d> G28 Y0
[20:04:24] <r00t4rd3d> G28 Z0
[20:05:16] <ReadError> oh word
[20:05:24] <ReadError> make any cool wooden guns lately ?
[20:05:30] <r00t4rd3d> no
[20:05:51] <ReadError> pictures
[20:05:51] <ReadError> ?
[20:06:09] <L84Supper> guns made of wood or guns that fire wood?
[20:06:40] <r00t4rd3d> i cut a model of a gun out in wood and have no heard the end of it
[20:06:48] <r00t4rd3d> s/no/not
[20:07:40] <r00t4rd3d> i gave it to my hunting nut friend and he hung it on his wall
[20:08:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/U6jsG.jpg
[20:08:52] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[20:09:00] <jp_> JT-Shop, The coords dont change the file is the same all that changes is where the tool is XYZ
[20:09:45] <r00t4rd3d> i searched google images for r00t4rd3d + cnc + gun , seems toms log gets everything and indexed regularly by googles robot
[20:10:47] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&authuser=0&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=721&q=r00t4rd3d+cnc+gun&oq=r00t4rd3d+cnc+gun&gs_l=img.3...1786.4759.0.4962.17.5.0.12.0.0.146.493.3j2.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.BNbj0dm8n68#hl=en&safe=off&authuser=0&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=r00t4rd3d+cnc+&oq=r00t4rd3d+cnc+&gs_l=img.3...110224.110224.0.110427.1.1.0.0.0.0.78.78.1.1.0...0.0...1c.1.fQrT_JabuOU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_q
[20:10:47] <r00t4rd3d> f.&fp=c432b09956d4cb0f&biw=1600&bih=721
[20:10:52] <r00t4rd3d> aww
[20:10:58] <L84Supper> I'd hate to be staring down the wrong side of that :)
[20:11:08] <r00t4rd3d> you might get a splinter
[20:11:55] <ReadError> im surprised that nobody here has cut CF ;/
[20:13:10] <Tom_itx> we machine farm tractors, not race buggies
[20:13:57] <L84Supper> http://www.3dprintingindustry.com/2012/09/17/eventorbot-on-kickstarter/ I pointed out this clean design for a FFF printer in reprap and they don't seem to get it
[20:14:07] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2022%2036%20AM.jpg
[20:14:12] <ReadError> thats my latest cnc project
[20:14:25] <ReadError> i managed to bring the arms down from 13.24g to 8.45
[20:14:28] <ReadError> using the holes
[20:15:40] <ReadError> 3-in-1 oil made magical differences in cutting those holes
[20:15:47] <ReadError> before i was melting it almost
[20:15:52] <ReadError> put some oil on it
[20:15:55] <ReadError> like butter
[20:15:56] <L84Supper> ReadError, are you trying to increase flight duration?
[20:16:19] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[20:16:20] <ReadError> L84Supper, bring the weight down
[20:19:11] <ReadError> i finally found a good source of color g10
[20:19:14] <ReadError> which makes me happy ;)
[21:39:34] <Tom_itx> how to draw a cone in solidworks?
[21:49:19] <L84Supper> Tom_itx, a few different ways, draw the profile of half the cone as a section then rotate it around the axis
[21:51:10] <L84Supper> http://www.mcadcentral.com/solidworks/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2046&PN=5 here's an example
[21:58:01] <L84Supper> cradek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WCrqqoZkPg&feature=channel_page# I'm looking at build vs buy on a 5 axis machine like this
[21:58:59] <L84Supper> how much time will it take on the LinuxCNC side to get it setup?
[22:01:33] <L84Supper> http://www.mdaprecision.com/index.php/milling-machines/5-axis-cnc-system/tn5-5-axis-cnc-mill.html is $25-30K based on options and it runs Mach
[22:03:43] <L84Supper> http://www.minitech.com/mill.php?step=Step+1 is around the same or more for 5 axis
[22:15:39] <tjb1> Table is now green ;)
[22:19:47] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/TIWK9.jpg
[22:35:52] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[22:51:29] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: That can't be the real story, is it?
[23:17:29] <L84Supper> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-AKIRA-SEIKI-PERFORMA-V2-CNC-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-w-MITSUBISHI-CONTROL-/160887088883?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25759e26f3 with a nice tool changer
[23:25:19] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Damn, that's less than I paid for my misadjusted chinese crap.
[23:27:39] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, almost 3 days left to go, the price could double
[23:28:04] <FinboySlick> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bolton-Tools-3-AXIS-Mini-CNC-Milling-Machine-Mill-Drill-M4A1-5-HP-/380466742482?_trksid=p4340.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2239800605126546445%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D160887088883%26 is exactly the same frame as mine though.
[23:30:41] * FinboySlick should stop complainin' and start alinin'
[23:32:07] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, is there enough clearance to add a 4th or 5th axis rotary table?
[23:32:33] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: I have a 4th already, I'm sure there's space for a trunnion table.
[23:32:52] <FinboySlick> Depends on how big a part you want to work with.
[23:33:22] <pcw_home> Is this a 5 axis machine?
[23:33:24] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Laschet-Innovat-D-70-CNC-cabinet-milling-machine-/290778177721?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b3bae0b9
[23:33:25] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, it's 90% for aluminum
[23:34:39] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Shouldn't be a problem. Travel isn't extraordinary, shy of 6" on the y, about 10" on x and the same on z.
[23:35:36] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: If it's going to have the trunion permanently on, I guess one could relatively easily make up for the lost travel by adding a spacer between the base and the column.
[23:36:35] <L84Supper> pcw_home, at least 4 if i count correctly
[23:37:11] <FinboySlick> A-axis: Swivel axis for tooling spindle horizontal (90 degree) B-axis: Swivel axis for tooling spindle vertical (180 degree)
[23:37:17] <FinboySlick> I'd say 5
[23:37:47] <FinboySlick> Oh, they might not be controlled axis... Duh.
[23:38:29] <r00t4rd3d> DOAH!
[23:38:53] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: Reminds me of 'Drawn Together'.
[23:40:04] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2t0yRG1pjQ
[23:50:14] <archivist> pcw_home, 7 axis
http://www.wotol.com/1-others-innovat-d-70-7/second-hand-machinery/prod_id/52707
[23:52:20] <archivist> I think its one of the machines that spins the bar and the tool and then makes square/hexagon in one pass, lathe-ish with live geared tooling
[23:53:34] <pcw_home> Ah very specialized... (and small work area)
[23:58:38] <archivist> cam make hydraulic/pneumatic fittings
[23:58:41] <archivist> can
