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[00:00:13] <Gabe_W> not to bad, i get it free :)
[00:01:23] <FinboySlick> Well, time for bed.
[00:01:27] <FinboySlick> Thanks.
[00:02:00] <FinboySlick> I'll see about getting straight holes in the morning, then I'll play the gcode isn't going to put a dent in my vise ;)
[00:02:13] <FinboySlick> :s/play/pray/.
[02:05:18] <DJ9DJ> moin
[04:32:50] <mazafaka1> hello! I have bought an Ural here, I only need to register it officially. I plan to use it as a single motorcycle.
[06:22:36] <jthornton> I've driven a Ural before... very interesting ride
[06:37:47] <mazafaka1> you have told about it already, jthornton But I have 2 motorcycle and 4-meter-long SUV in 3.6x5.6 meters garage
[06:38:34] <jthornton> sounds like my garage before I built the shop
[06:39:08] <mazafaka1> neigbours were laughing and helped to roll it out of the truck, using wooden bar
[06:39:35] <jthornton> the ural?
[06:40:00] <mazafaka1> Iplan to buy a bigger, almost 2-storey garage with a new UAZ 31512 in it at my parents soon.
[06:40:45] <jthornton> what is a UAZ?
[06:41:45] <mazafaka1> https://www.google.ru/search?q=UAZ+31512&hl=ru&newwindow=1&client=firefox-nightly&hs=gd1&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=t31MULynNoXJrAfdroHoAQ&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=709
[06:42:18] <jthornton> resembles a jeep
[06:42:39] <mazafaka1> Problem is 35'' is probably the biggest 'reliable' diameter of the tyres for UAZ
[06:44:52] <mazafaka1> i have bouth it without a sidecar, I hope I can perform necessary for its registration actions. It must be registered and only then you can modify it, it must be in their database.
[06:45:17] <psha> jthornton: closer to willys
[06:46:02] <mazafaka1> psha: hello
[06:46:09] <psha> hi
[06:47:31] <mazafaka1> That's how I rode my bike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDyYbrEmSh0&feature=channel&list=UL That evening coal miners were celebrating their professional celebration, The Coal Miners Day...
[07:42:18] <r00t4rd3d> this is what the linuxcnc forums need
[07:42:19] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/8UFHM#0
[07:42:35] <r00t4rd3d> that will keep the spam bots out
[07:43:40] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
[07:48:03] <psha> r00t4rd3d: but with caption 'assemble 3-axis mill'
[07:50:38] <r00t4rd3d> something
[08:00:31] <jthornton> I think random questions would stop any automated spammers from registration
[08:01:02] <jthornton> all the capchia in the world has been solved by India
[08:02:29] <psha> so you need come captcha which may not be solved by India
[08:02:35] <psha> for example - you have to kill cow
[08:03:14] <psha> and eat it
[08:48:16] <r00t4rd3d> http://watertown.craigslist.org/ele/3226194174.html
[08:48:24] <r00t4rd3d> thats one expensive computer!
[08:52:37] <archivist> still cheaper than US.govs Sage system of old
[09:29:33] <JT-Shop> the Bpeast has lost it's head and brain
[09:31:28] <jp__> morn
[09:32:33] <jp__> got a print off last night!!
[09:42:32] <r00t4rd3d> what does that mean?
[09:43:09] <r00t4rd3d> a print off
[09:43:18] <jp__> it means i got my extruder working
[09:43:27] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[09:43:50] <r00t4rd3d> i thought you got into a printing competition.
[09:44:23] <jp__> lol ah no
[09:45:30] <mazafaka1> So, there are 5 elements: B-boying, DJing, MCing, Graffiti. and... SKIIIILLLSSSSS!!! And also a printing///
[09:46:26] <mazafaka1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIX4c0vdcAM
[10:24:56] <JT-Shop> the Bpeast just lost more weight!
[10:26:35] <jdh> you shouldn't talk that way about your wife/girlfriend/mother.
[10:28:27] <Jymmm> jdh: He thinks he's King Henry or a zombie. Or maybe a zombie King. who knows.
[10:28:54] <Jymmm> "2012-09-09 07:18:02 JT-Shop: the Bpeast has lost it's head and brain"
[10:31:36] <JT-Shop> who knows
[10:33:37] <jdh> nor a predator.
[10:33:45] <jdh> <urk>
[11:56:11] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/227788
[11:56:56] <Tom_itx> new conversion?
[11:56:58] <skunkworks__> JT-Shop: yay!
[11:57:18] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/227789
[11:58:02] <Tom_itx> what board is that?
[11:58:18] <JT-Shop> in the panel? 7i77
[11:58:40] <Tom_itx> oh, the 5i25 is in the pc
[11:59:26] <FinboySlick> Those are some beefy motors.
[11:59:38] <JT-Shop> well I've been putting it off for months and finally got some motovation from somewhere
[12:00:02] <JT-Shop> the back half is the tacko and encoder
[12:01:13] <FinboySlick> Hehe, I see you still have your balista.
[12:02:11] <JT-Shop> this came off the back and is full of nema contactors and transformers
http://imagebin.org/227791
[12:02:34] <FinboySlick> So much room...
[12:02:53] <FinboySlick> I have 8'x8'
[12:03:17] <JT-Shop> only a couple of things to put in this panel
http://imagebin.org/227792
[12:03:31] <JT-Shop> yea, the ballista is a fun toy
[12:12:16] <JT-Shop> I started with the top shelf of a small coat closet as my shop
[12:13:48] <JT-Shop> with that back panel off I can move it back 4' closer to the wall
[12:14:40] <archivist> what's next years project...another shop extension ? :)
[12:15:09] <JT-Shop> it's all downhill, no flat ground left at this level
[12:15:42] <JT-Shop> probley convert the VMC to LinuxCNC after I get it moved into the shop
[12:15:47] <archivist> gravity helps moving machines in
[12:16:21] <JT-Shop> yes it does but you can't let it get going too fast
[12:17:07] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[12:17:55] <JT-Shop> the mounting hole pattern on the back of monitors does it follow some metric standard?
[12:19:03] <archivist> http://www.ergoindemand.com/about_VESA_standard.htm
[12:20:03] <JT-Shop> this one looks like 100mm x 100mm
[12:20:47] <archivist> top right in that page is 100x100
[12:24:36] <JT-Shop> thanks
[12:26:16] <FinboySlick> IchGuckLive: Yo.
[12:26:40] <IchGuckLive> HI
[12:27:07] <r00t4rd3d> omfg , dont look at this:
[12:27:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/zlnhp/at_837am_this_morning_after_4_days_of/
[12:27:34] <r00t4rd3d> r/wtf, youve been warned
[12:27:47] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: Mexican flag.
[12:28:17] <r00t4rd3d> lol u looked
[12:28:46] <FinboySlick> I shouldn't have, I'm eating breakfast.
[12:28:53] <r00t4rd3d> haha
[12:29:06] <r00t4rd3d> its not that bad, we all do it, just not to that extent
[12:29:34] <r00t4rd3d> i almost feel sorry for the guy
[12:30:51] <r00t4rd3d> welp, girl*
[12:31:30] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait, gay guy*
[12:31:48] <r00t4rd3d> that explains it
[12:32:39] <FinboySlick> This is exactly why Al Gore invented the Internet.
[12:34:36] <ReadError> dang JT-Shop
[12:34:39] <ReadError> you got a forklift?
[12:36:00] <JT-Shop> yes, but not at this shop
[12:36:30] <FinboySlick> You have more than one shop?
[12:36:38] <JT-Shop> I built this to move things around with
http://gnipsel.com/shop/gantry/gantry.xhtml
[12:36:44] <JT-Shop> yes
[12:37:06] <JT-Shop> we assemble and paint and wire at the other shop
[12:37:21] <FinboySlick> Envy.
[12:38:09] <JT-Shop> I had the beam and the 4" square tubing so all I needed was some wheels and chain falls
[12:39:00] <FinboySlick> In a pickle (and in plastic), is it okay to use a 90° chamfer mill as a spot drill?
[12:39:11] <JT-Shop> I think it will pick up 6 tons if I did my cyphering correctly
[12:39:22] <JT-Shop> on a drill press?
[12:39:26] <FinboySlick> mill
[12:39:53] <JT-Shop> I don't spot drill on the mill but I use screw machine lenght bits usually
[12:40:17] <FinboySlick> I have a 5/64 hole to drill and just a regular drill bit to do it with.
[12:40:20] <archivist> I would use a centre drill bit
[12:40:31] <FinboySlick> I figured I'd prevent walking by touching that chamfer on the spot.
[12:41:02] <JT-Shop> yea, that is tiny
[12:42:21] <FinboySlick> The only center drill bit that I have is too big and quite worn out.
[12:42:47] <archivist> but rigid
[12:43:42] <FinboySlick> It won't cut though. That's why I asked about the chamfer, that one's bran new.
[12:44:21] <JT-Shop> never tried one, let us know how it works
[12:51:58] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: are you ready for the milling with image-g-code
[12:53:05] <mrsun> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UmL7xZZSUk&feature=g-vrec cnc on a new scale :P
[12:54:59] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, already milling a simple mountain, yesterday didn't go well
[12:55:02] <gmagno> :)
[12:55:29] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[12:56:52] <gmagno> IchGuckLive,
http://bambuser.com/v/2969369
[12:57:05] <IchGuckLive> http://foengarage.de/gray_test.png
[12:57:52] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: i told you to simulate the output first
[12:59:28] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: my problem is that i can only get a 128-255 out of blender
[12:59:39] <IchGuckLive> so its sad
[12:59:53] <IchGuckLive> the heekscad does a foll STL 3D toolpath
[13:00:03] <IchGuckLive> full ! B)
[13:00:24] <gmagno> hmm
[13:00:34] <gmagno> 128-255?
[13:00:45] <gmagno> heightmap values?
[13:00:58] <IchGuckLive> shoudt i give you a g-code for the Lion at 78x69x8mm with a 2mm Ballend
[13:01:21] <IchGuckLive> yes
[13:01:32] <IchGuckLive> imagegcode says 0-188
[13:02:04] <gmagno> wanna help? Have you heard of Settlers of Catan?
[13:02:18] <gmagno> or Pioneers (open source game in linux)
[13:02:34] <IchGuckLive> i play OpenTTD
[13:02:55] <gmagno> :D
[13:03:01] <gmagno> that's ok
[13:03:11] <gmagno> but let's focus on settlers of catan now
[13:03:15] <gmagno> :)
[13:03:26] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: G-code ?
[13:03:31] <gmagno> yup
[13:03:38] <IchGuckLive> shoudt i generate some for you
[13:03:48] <IchGuckLive> max stepdown
[13:03:59] <gmagno> you could make a tree, a clay, a stone, and soething else i cant remember now
[13:04:11] <IchGuckLive> tooledge hight is 6mm ?
[13:04:18] <gmagno> I'm willining to make the game pieces with wood
[13:04:29] <gmagno> 8mm
[13:04:47] <IchGuckLive> i generate at 80x70mm or more
[13:04:53] <gmagno> wait a sec
[13:06:50] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, Im sending u an email
[13:07:02] <IchGuckLive> ok
[13:09:37] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, you got mail
[13:10:24] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, do you use inkscape?
[13:10:35] <IchGuckLive> most gimp
[13:11:00] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I use gimp for bitmap images, but you need something else for vector images
[13:11:14] <IchGuckLive> agree on incscape
[13:11:50] <gmagno> anyway, the svg I sent you has an hexagon with the exact dimensions of the final wood piece
[13:13:29] <gmagno> the hexagon should fit a 78x69 [mm] rectangle
[13:13:38] <gmagno> fit in*
[13:15:06] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: you cant combine a svg and a image 2 gcode option
[13:15:44] <IchGuckLive> as i think you will mill the thunder ontop of a hexagon ?
[13:16:18] <IchGuckLive> this is a cloudy image
[13:17:33] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, ignore the fact that I sent you vector image. I just wanted you to know the dimensions of it
[13:18:35] <gmagno> bascially, the image has to fit an hexagon with those dimensions which will be milled in a 78x69 mm rect
[13:19:34] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, look at this:
http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/settlers.jpg
[13:19:49] <gmagno> I wanna make each piece of the game in wood
[13:19:58] <gmagno> they are mainly hexagons
[13:20:19] <IchGuckLive> 200 cutter ß
[13:20:23] <IchGuckLive> 2mm
[13:20:36] <gmagno> drill diameter = 2mm
[13:21:04] <IchGuckLive> isent it a ballend
[13:21:12] <gmagno> cilinder
[13:21:34] <IchGuckLive> how can you mill at this dimantion with a Cylinder
[13:21:48] <IchGuckLive> i woudt use a 1mm ballend on this mdF
[13:22:06] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I would too, but I don't have any :D
[13:23:00] <gmagno> on the other hand 1mm drill would increase the time for milling
[13:23:43] <IchGuckLive> but the output is best
[13:23:58] <gmagno> it's a tradeoff
[13:34:26] <gmagno> im on last step
[13:34:32] <gmagno> :)
[13:34:41] <gmagno> pass*
[13:43:42] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Chamfer bit didn't make a difference, I'm still off by roughly the same ammount.
[13:45:05] <IchGuckLive> gmagno:
http://foengarage.de/mounton.png Not worth a mill !
[13:45:19] <IchGuckLive> its only a obscure
[13:45:38] <IchGuckLive> take some clue and a plate and moell it
[13:45:54] <FinboySlick> In an experienced driller's opinion, if I'm off bt about 0.003" going in, will I the through hole be in the same (off) spot?
[13:46:09] <FinboySlick> Or will the bit flex in the hole too?
[13:46:25] <IchGuckLive> BYE im off
[13:47:52] <gmagno> see ya
[13:56:48] <skunkworks__> wow - Some day i will make a hexapod..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebJ59TcYlQ
[14:45:40] <archivist> FinboySlick, once the drill is off it gets worse
[14:54:05] <FinboySlick> This is frustrating.
[14:55:36] <FinboySlick> I have a 1/16 endmill, maybe I could bore a starter hole with it.
[14:55:49] <archivist> but how do you know you are .003 off, measurement can be just as hard
[14:56:41] <archivist> is your touching off good enough too
[14:56:52] <FinboySlick> My indicator gives me consistent results at a few depths in the hole. I just can't go deep enough to know it's the same all over.
[14:57:03] <FinboySlick> The hole is the reference.
[14:57:21] <FinboySlick> I'm off with respect to the spindle.
[14:57:35] <archivist> how can it be off if it is the reference :)
[14:57:53] <FinboySlick> Well, it's not in line with the spindle.
[14:58:01] <archivist> is this a spinning indicator
[14:58:05] <FinboySlick> No.
[14:58:38] <archivist> are you rotating the spindle to check if in line
[14:58:52] <FinboySlick> Yes.
[14:59:48] <FinboySlick> Then I line up the spindle to confirm the measurement and get 0 all around.
[15:00:36] <FinboySlick> Displacement needed to get the same measurement around the hole is what I consider being off by.
[15:01:03] <archivist> any x/y backlash that needs fixing
[15:01:47] <FinboySlick> Nope. And indicator feedback to change of direction is consistent with that claim.
[15:03:26] <archivist> is the Z axis inline with the spindle axis and at 90 to the table precisely
[15:04:56] <Aero-Tec> I am setting up my mill to work with lxcnc
[15:05:18] <FinboySlick> archivist: I haven't measured that, but I'm pretty sure it is. The hole would be at an angle, sure, but the indicator would still tell me if the hole and spindle are in line.
[15:05:20] <Aero-Tec> would like to make sure I have it all done right before making parts
[15:05:41] <Tom_itx> cut some air first
[15:05:44] <Tom_itx> or wood
[15:05:46] <Aero-Tec> is there a check list of things I should be looking at before making parts?
[15:06:05] <Aero-Tec> yes cut air for sure
[15:06:16] <Aero-Tec> I have set the back lash
[15:06:22] <Tom_itx> home the axis, set any fixture offsets, set any tool length offsets
[15:06:22] <archivist> FinboySlick, no because the indicator and drill point can be at different distances therefore off by any taper amount
[15:06:41] <Aero-Tec> BTW there is only one place you need to set that right?
[15:07:05] <Tom_itx> look at jt's tutorial for that
[15:07:08] <Aero-Tec> I need to tweek the scale
[15:07:28] <Aero-Tec> any helpfull hints as to the best way to set the scale?
[15:08:17] <Aero-Tec> coot, where do I find jt's tutorial?
[15:08:20] <Tom_itx> calculate it based on stepper, microstepping, leadscrew etc
[15:08:35] <archivist> Aero-Tec, mount a dial indicator o show amount of movement, does it agree with the display
[15:08:55] <Aero-Tec> it is off by a tadd
[15:09:03] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure where he hid it
[15:09:20] <Aero-Tec> is it on you tube?
[15:10:30] <Tom_itx> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/index.html
[15:10:43] <Tom_itx> touch off and fixture offsets
[15:10:46] <Tom_itx> etc
[15:12:51] <archivist> FinboySlick, any pictures of you machine online?
[15:14:27] <FinboySlick> archivist: Just a youtube video I made. It's full of fail though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWaDXjdtCI
[15:15:45] <archivist> is it a commercial type machine modded
[15:16:03] <FinboySlick> Not modded.
[15:16:22] <FinboySlick> I bought it new like this.
[15:17:02] <archivist> model? so I can google what it looks like complete
[15:17:09] <FinboySlick> It passed inspection and everything. There shouldn't be anything off unless something managed to shift two linear rails at once during transport.
[15:18:06] <FinboySlick> http://www.syilamerica.com/machine_x5speed.php
[15:18:50] <FinboySlick> I'd be much keener on blaming my inexperience than the machine at this point anyway.
[15:21:21] <cncbasher> finboy:have you checked the adjustment of gibs since you got it
[15:21:39] <archivist> at that price you can afford a new centre drill :)
[15:21:59] <archivist> gibs it is on rails
[15:22:47] <FinboySlick> archivist: I had a deal, and yeah, I already ordered the centre drills, I'm just trying to gain experience in the meantime.
[15:27:42] <archivist> their positional accuracy is a bit undefined, .00019" but does not give any direction or envelope to the error nor any angular error
[15:28:40] <FinboySlick> The inspection report is a fair bit more detailed.
[15:28:56] <FinboySlick> I got a number for each axis.
[15:29:25] <archivist> hopefully all better than that number in the brochure
[15:30:34] <FinboySlick> Well, I'm too much of a noob to have very high expectations but as long as it's smaller than what I'm able to measure I'll endure.
[15:35:57] <archivist> if it passes and within 2 tenths, 3 thou is showing a problem in use, here short stubby drills help
[15:57:49] <FinboySlick> archivist: Could it be that the plastic is so soft that my my attempts with a 90° chamfer (which is very sturdy) just didn't help?
[15:59:46] <archivist> if chamfer device is too blunt then there wont be a reliable start taper
[16:00:11] <FinboySlick> I have a 60° too, maybe that'd work better.
[16:01:03] <FinboySlick> Or did you mean its tip? The tip of the chamfer tool is a lot sharper than that of the drill bit.
[16:01:16] <archivist> its tip
[16:02:48] <archivist> do a test with the chamfer drill but dont follow up by drilling it, then look at the indentation, has it got a pip in the middle
[16:03:12] <archivist> needs a magnifier
[16:03:43] <archivist> that pip will push a drill to one side
[16:04:15] <FinboySlick> archivist: To help my french brain here... What do you mean by a pip?
[16:04:35] <archivist> a small mountain
[16:06:25] <FinboySlick> Right at the tip of the cone?
[16:06:43] <FinboySlick> That to me would suggest a crooked tool.
[16:07:03] <archivist> exactly
[16:07:34] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:08:11] <FinboySlick> That's one thing that sort of gets me... A twist drill has two edges, wouldn't the first edge that bites send it off centre?
[16:08:41] <archivist> cheap ones do certainly
[16:09:08] <FinboySlick> I think I'll buy some good drill bits along with the center drills.
[16:09:17] <archivist> also makes then drill the wring sized hole
[16:09:25] <archivist> wrong
[16:10:26] <FinboySlick> I never put much attention to drilling since you can just bore holes with cnc but now I realize how important it is.
[16:11:00] <archivist> if you need a hole size a few thou from the drill you have, rub a flat on a stone, can adjust the drilled hole just enough
[16:12:12] <archivist> or if producing over size, rub the shorter of the two flats to balance, should then drill closer to size
[16:16:31] <jdh> shorter at the tip.
[16:16:32] <jdh> ?
[16:18:09] <archivist> the cutting edge of the tip
[16:50:02] <Aero-Tec> so basically, set pins, set scale, set backlash and your done setting up lxcnc and your ready to cut parts, after setting your part zero and homing
[16:50:18] <Aero-Tec> that about cover it?
[16:50:37] <Aero-Tec> any cool tricks for setting scale?
[16:51:29] <tjb1> its a good week already...
[16:53:40] <Aero-Tec> the first day and it is a good week, must be some day
[16:54:12] <Aero-Tec> so any help with mill setup?
[16:54:23] <Aero-Tec> did I miss anything?
[16:54:50] <Aero-Tec> also would like some help with scale setup ideas
[16:55:34] <Aero-Tec> also when setting up backlash
[16:56:10] <Aero-Tec> anyway to reload thew INI file for the new setting to kick in with out shutting down lxcnc?
[16:56:25] <tjb1> Sarcasm, forgot stuff I needed 2 hours away
[16:56:29] <tjb1> Also lost some stuff...
[16:57:13] <Aero-Tec> sad to hear, I was hoping to hear some great news
[16:57:26] <Aero-Tec> new born kid
[16:57:41] <Aero-Tec> or some very cool thing that happened
[16:58:15] <Aero-Tec> sorry to hear your week has started in such a bad way
[16:58:43] <tjb1> oh and draftsight just killed itself...
[16:59:09] <Aero-Tec> what is draftsight?
[17:00:07] <tjb1> free cad
[17:07:18] <Aero-Tec> so when setting up scale and back lash
[17:07:32] <Aero-Tec> what one would you do first and how?
[17:08:03] <Aero-Tec> you set backlash, it will change when you change the scale
[17:08:32] <Aero-Tec> if you use the machines readouts for measuring backlash
[17:08:52] <Aero-Tec> but if you do not know the backlash it is hard to setup scale
[17:09:16] <Aero-Tec> I have close to 10 th backlash
[17:09:29] <Aero-Tec> 10 tho
[17:09:54] <Aero-Tec> any help out there?
[17:10:11] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: Do you have opposing nuts?
[17:10:22] <Aero-Tec> no
[17:10:45] <FinboySlick> That might help a bit, but only if you have good quality screws.
[17:10:46] <Aero-Tec> I do have a backlash adjuster
[17:11:27] <Aero-Tec> a slit in the brass nut with a allen screw to bend part of the nut to take up the backlash
[17:11:55] <FinboySlick> That's pretty much the same thing.
[17:12:05] <Aero-Tec> but that will wear out quickly
[17:12:22] <Aero-Tec> a second nut would be much better
[17:12:45] <FinboySlick> That's why screw quality matters. That said, you could find some ballscrews and be pretty much done with it.
[17:12:56] <Aero-Tec> lol
[17:13:07] <Aero-Tec> as soon as I make enough money to do that
[17:13:42] <Aero-Tec> been using mach as a controller and I have not been able to make much money with it
[17:13:54] <Aero-Tec> to many problems and rejects
[17:14:09] <Aero-Tec> mach lathe threading sucks
[17:14:34] <Aero-Tec> and the mill take off at full speed right through the part at times
[17:14:52] <Aero-Tec> not good for mill, cutters or part
[17:15:39] <Aero-Tec> in mid run, have run the same program 10 or more times and all of a sudden, it takes off in mid part run
[17:16:18] <Aero-Tec> make it where I do not want to run machine as I can not trust it
[17:17:20] <Aero-Tec> I have limited my production work as I am scared every time I hit the go button
[17:17:42] <Aero-Tec> I hate not trusting my machine
[17:18:05] <Aero-Tec> but have resisted moving 100% to lxcnc
[17:18:36] <Aero-Tec> been running mach for all Gcode I had already written
[17:19:07] <FinboySlick> It's pretty well behaved once you tame it.
[17:19:13] <Aero-Tec> but have bit the bullet and have started rewriting all Gcode and wanting to run 100% lxcnc
[17:19:41] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: I'm not sure you'll need that much re-writing, but then again, I don't know what you mostly do.
[17:19:42] <Tom_itx> shouldn't be much to rewrite
[17:20:32] <Aero-Tec> mach the subs are after the end of program code, m2 and m30
[17:20:45] <Aero-Tec> but lxcnc all subs are before
[17:20:56] <Aero-Tec> I run tons of subs
[17:21:41] <Aero-Tec> I like lxcnc subs better as you have conditional branches, mach does not
[17:22:22] <Aero-Tec> also lxcnc needs spaces between Gcode, mach did not
[17:22:57] <tjb1> hey r00t4rd3d
[17:23:06] <Aero-Tec> lxcnc is more fussy about Gcode layout and format
[17:23:51] <Aero-Tec> so no quick and simple lxcnc mill scale setup tricks?
[17:24:22] <Aero-Tec> also how does one get the INI file reread and use with out a lxcnc restart?
[17:24:52] <Aero-Tec> would like not have to re zero after every startup
[17:25:05] <Aero-Tec> no home switches
[17:25:23] <Aero-Tec> so manual zero setup
[17:27:25] <Aero-Tec> I do gun parts and snow mobile parts as well as other ATV parts and wepons
[17:27:50] <Aero-Tec> want to start some production lines of my own
[17:28:05] <Aero-Tec> guns parts and survival stuff
[17:28:11] <Aero-Tec> as well as other things
[17:28:48] <Aero-Tec> I have tons of ideas for airgun parts and accessories
[17:29:25] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: I'm not entirely sure why you'd need to reload the .ini for lack of home switches.
[17:29:44] <FinboySlick> You can just lxcnc to home at a certain position and be done.
[17:29:50] <Aero-Tec> setting up back lash
[17:30:07] <FinboySlick> That's a one-time deal.
[17:30:21] <FinboySlick> You measure backlash, you input it, and you're done.
[17:30:38] <Aero-Tec> need to test the backlash and reset it, but need the new backlash to be acted upon
[17:31:15] <Aero-Tec> what do you use to maesure back lash?
[17:31:30] <FinboySlick> An indicator usually does the job.
[17:31:43] <Aero-Tec> I use a dial and the machines DRO FOR THE AMOUNT OF BACHLASH
[17:31:47] <Aero-Tec> oops
[17:32:42] <Aero-Tec> so I see when the dial moves and go by the DRO of lxcnc to say just how much things have moved
[17:32:58] <Aero-Tec> but setting up scale will throw things off by a tad
[17:33:37] <Aero-Tec> the error amount my not be worth worrying about
[17:34:24] <FinboySlick> You could try to measure your backlash in the number of steps.
[17:34:25] <Aero-Tec> will see
[17:34:46] <Aero-Tec> how?
[17:35:01] <FinboySlick> Calculate how much is the distance of a step.
[17:35:14] <FinboySlick> (gearing, screw pitch, etc)
[17:35:35] <Aero-Tec> old china mill
[17:35:36] <FinboySlick> Then move by that much until the needl of your indicator moves.
[17:35:53] <FinboySlick> Well, it should still be a fairly straightforward value.
[17:35:56] <Aero-Tec> screw pitch not very good
[17:36:39] <Aero-Tec> they run some whacked value
[17:37:05] <Aero-Tec> different for all 3 axis
[17:37:42] <Aero-Tec> they did some custom in house thread matching of nut and screw
[17:38:20] <Aero-Tec> we are talking 1994 vintage
[17:38:42] <Aero-Tec> QC was not that great
[17:39:06] <Aero-Tec> china stuff now days seams much better
[17:39:29] <FinboySlick> Well, you have to make do with what you have, I guess. I'm not sure how to tell lxcnc to move just one step.
[17:40:07] <Aero-Tec> I will figure it out
[17:40:29] <FinboySlick> Might be easier to make it move 100 steps and measure that.
[17:40:31] <Aero-Tec> was hoping to have some kind of cool trick that would speed things up
[17:40:54] <FinboySlick> Or a full turn.
[17:41:06] <Aero-Tec> I used the step count from mach for lxcnc
[17:41:17] <FinboySlick> lxcnc sort of assumes that you'll know what your machine does ;)
[17:41:18] <Aero-Tec> but that seams off a tadd
[17:42:09] <Aero-Tec> lxcnc sure runs smoother and faster then mach
[17:42:35] <Aero-Tec> I can get the motors to run so much faster in lxcnc
[17:43:24] <Aero-Tec> in mach they would start to move fast when slow right down and stop with a hell of a growl
[17:43:54] <Aero-Tec> lxcnc they just spin so much faster and not miss a step
[17:44:41] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: Make sure you don't have surprise jitters on that PC though.
[17:44:50] <Aero-Tec> the step train must be much smoother
[17:45:05] <FinboySlick> Some will be smooth for hours and then have a jump in jitters.
[17:45:07] <Aero-Tec> how does one test that?
[17:45:38] <Aero-Tec> there is the jitter test
[17:45:54] <Aero-Tec> but not sure what to do with the test results
[17:46:22] <Aero-Tec> I know some of the programs to run when testing for jitter
[17:46:24] <FinboySlick> Yeah. Leave it running in the background at least 24h. Though this would be better if you were actually doing stuff on the PC at the same time.
[17:46:31] <Aero-Tec> like the graphics one
[17:46:43] <FinboySlick> Yeah.
[17:46:49] <Aero-Tec> do not remember the name or how to start it right now
[17:46:57] <FinboySlick> You on the livecd?
[17:47:01] <Aero-Tec> will have to look that up again
[17:47:14] <FinboySlick> It's called latency test if I remember, it should be in the linuxcnc menu.
[17:47:36] <Aero-Tec> I know how to fins and run that
[17:47:53] <FinboySlick> Just make sure there are no surprises.
[17:47:57] <Aero-Tec> it is the graphics program I will have to find
[17:48:14] <FinboySlick> Well, it's just a window with numbers on it.
[17:48:24] <Aero-Tec> so what do I do with the numbers after running the test?
[17:48:44] <FinboySlick> The setup wizard should ask for your maximum jitter.
[17:49:05] <Aero-Tec> the labling on the test results do not match the wizard
[17:49:48] <Aero-Tec> the test has several jitter results if I remember right
[17:50:03] <Aero-Tec> but no max jitter
[17:50:20] <Aero-Tec> wil have to run the test again
[17:50:43] <FinboySlick> It's the two numbers that only change upward.
[17:50:49] <FinboySlick> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
[17:50:57] <Aero-Tec> also I have added stuff to the INI manually and the wis will rewrite it all
[17:54:03] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: You can probably set it in the .ini directly, but I don't know how. My setup is simple enough that the wizard did everything I needed.
[17:54:38] <Aero-Tec> what about messing with SMI
[17:54:52] <Aero-Tec> is that still something one needs to do?
[17:55:17] <FinboySlick> I don't think there's much you can do about them beyond tweaking your bios.
[17:55:30] <FinboySlick> Whatever gets you the best jitter numbers.
[17:55:49] <Aero-Tec> there is a configuration setting you can do
[17:56:46] <Aero-Tec> anyone remember that the graphic program one runs when testing jitter?
[17:57:20] <Aero-Tec> it is run from command prompt, or terminal
[17:58:13] <Aero-Tec> guess one could do a new setup in the wiz and move the results over to the older setup
[17:59:20] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: You're not running the linuxcnc distro?
[17:59:31] <FinboySlick> If you are, it's right in the ubuntu menu.
[17:59:36] <FinboySlick> It's called latency test.
[18:00:14] <jp__> how do you get axis to preview the tool path?
[18:00:36] <jp__> nevermind just missing % sign
[18:06:42] <Aero-Tec> gl gears or something like that is the graphic program
[18:07:10] <Aero-Tec> there is the servo thread and the base thread
[18:07:46] <Aero-Tec> last I looked it is 9910
[18:07:51] <Aero-Tec> the base
[18:08:15] <Aero-Tec> servo was 8K somewhere in there
[18:08:31] <Aero-Tec> I would guess you use the base one
[18:08:55] <FinboySlick> Oh, glx-gears is just to see if putting your video card through opengl will cause a spike in jitter.
[18:09:05] <FinboySlick> It's not really related to lxcnc.
[18:09:15] <Aero-Tec> I thought I had set this computer up more
[18:09:23] <Aero-Tec> looks like it was not
[18:09:36] <Aero-Tec> will have to check it out more
[18:13:06] <Aero-Tec> the backlash was missing, will have to check the other setting to see if they are missing as well
[18:13:15] <Aero-Tec> but I would guess they are
[18:14:09] <Aero-Tec> FinboySlick: I installed the live cd in the computer so I do not need the live cd
[18:14:18] <Aero-Tec> will have to check the version
[18:14:39] <Aero-Tec> I may have updated and that is my the loss of settings info
[18:23:19] <FinboySlick> Sheesh, been shopping for professional drill bits... 50 bucks a pop.
[18:25:29] <FinboySlick> Makes your standard set of 13 from 1/16 to 1/14 pretty darn expensive.
[18:25:52] <FinboySlick> :s|1/14|1/4|
[18:29:58] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
[19:01:04] <r00t4rd3d> WHAT
[19:01:10] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/DYzP3.gif
[19:01:16] <r00t4rd3d> i need one of them
[19:01:24] <tjb1> wanna measure something for me? :D
[19:01:52] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: You should have voted for Herman Cain then ;)
[19:02:52] <tjb1> Cmon root :)
[19:03:38] <FinboySlick> It so reminds me of The Onion's feedbags.
[19:11:57] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
[19:11:59] <tjb1> :)
[19:27:26] <tjb1> mac
[20:10:29] <r00t4rd3d> ?
[20:11:08] <r00t4rd3d> 9 inches
[20:11:17] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1
[20:14:37] <tjb1> im here
[20:15:03] <tjb1> I need like 4 measurements off the cncrp carriage
[20:15:08] <tjb1> not exact just close
[20:18:39] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: :)
[20:27:07] <tjb1> Cmon r00t
[21:07:24] <r00t4rd3d> ?
[21:07:42] <r00t4rd3d> they have the files on crp
[21:07:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://download.flexiblestream.de/Digital_Wood_Joints_Complete.zip
[21:08:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.flexiblestream.org/Digital-Wood-Joints-001.php
[21:08:20] <r00t4rd3d> dovetail style joints for cnc router :D
[21:16:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/cad/pdf/CRP101-00.pdf
[21:16:35] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, ^^
[21:16:44] <tjb1> Yeah I know
[21:16:49] <tjb1> Are they correct for everything?
[21:16:55] <tjb1> The hole for the dowel pin is wrong
[21:20:50] <r00t4rd3d> i never measured them and could only tape measure them
[21:21:07] <r00t4rd3d> i have a set of calipers but they suck mule penis
[21:22:56] <r00t4rd3d> i need a set of digital ones
[21:23:03] <r00t4rd3d> that do inch and mm
[21:23:29] <r00t4rd3d> see what the dowel pin is on the extended ones
[21:23:34] <r00t4rd3d> on the pdf
[21:23:38] <Tom_itx> do the math in your head
[21:23:48] <r00t4rd3d> the numbers should be the same, only ones longer
[22:26:07] <r00t-Shed> g28 z0.25 sends my z axis up to 0.25 then back to 0.0, how i get it to hold at .25?
[22:26:51] <r00t-Shed> nvm
[22:34:24] <FinboySlick> Three hurrays for Maritool!
[22:36:58] <FinboySlick> Wow, the shopping cart emails you with Frank Mari's email... I wonder if he handles it all himself.
[23:20:41] <r00t-Shed> OY MATE!
[23:22:40] <r00t-Shed> tjb1
[23:22:48] <tjb1> yes?
[23:23:10] <r00t-Shed> nothing
[23:23:34] <r00t-Shed> what u working on?
[23:24:07] <tjb1> right now?
[23:25:12] <r00t-Shed> :/
[23:25:22] <tjb1> minecraft
[23:25:30] <r00t-Shed> lol
[23:26:40] <r00t-Shed> im tearing the center out of a box
[23:38:49] <tjb1> those dimensions better be right
[23:40:03] <nathanstenzel> hello
[23:41:07] <nathanstenzel> I was wondering if someone could talk to me about design ideas for a CNC
[23:42:41] <nathanstenzel> hmmm...could someone confirm that they can hear me?
[23:47:44] <tjb1> r00t-Shed: those better be right
[23:47:47] <tjb1> I can hear you
[23:53:25] <Defhammer> hi i am trying to get isolcups=1 working
[23:53:38] <Defhammer> i followed the wiki but it did not work
