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[01:52:54] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:56:17] <DJ9DJ> moin
[01:56:43] <DJ9DJ> greetings mr. william aka Jymmm ;-)
[01:56:45] <DJ9DJ> +s
[01:58:37] <theos> :P
[02:00:00] <DJ9DJ> hi theos
[02:00:50] <theos> hey
[02:05:58] <WillenCMD> anybody on?
[02:06:33] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: who the hell is william?
[02:06:50] <DJ9DJ> williams!
[02:06:58] <DJ9DJ> (typo)
[02:07:05] <DJ9DJ> robin williams :D
[02:07:05] <Jymmm> (bullshit)
[02:07:12] <Jymmm> oh, heh. I get it now =)
[02:07:14] <DJ9DJ> of course ;)
[02:07:53] <WillenCMD> https://plus.google.com/photos/108420335892310746315/albums/5784211124086428513
[02:08:11] <WillenCMD> i added some photos of the hal config gui, its still very much beta
[02:11:22] <alex_joni> morning y'all
[02:16:34] <Jymmm> "yall"?! What joo think your a cowboy on a dude ranch or sumtin?!
[02:16:52] <Jymmm> happy trails and all that sheeeeeit
[02:33:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/Mxpay.jpg
[02:34:05] <r00t4rd3d> WillenCMD, you actually use Google+ ?
[02:47:20] <alex_joni> Jymmm: exactly
[02:51:40] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Dracula's Dude Ranch?
[02:57:53] <alex_joni> close, but no
[02:59:20] <Jymmm> Oh that's right, you DO ride horses, I forgot
[03:02:59] <alex_joni> see :)
[03:03:14] <alex_joni> and dracula's overrated
[03:03:23] <alex_joni> we have far nicer fellows around now
[03:03:47] <Jymmm> Is that why Dracula's Castle is going for 2.1 Million USD
[03:23:41] <alex_joni> well, that's not really much tbh
[03:24:03] <Jymmm> for a bunch of old rocks?
[03:24:44] <Jymmm> ;)
[03:33:06] * Tom_itx sets this in JT-Shop's front yard http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h81000/h81481.jpg
[03:47:34] <r00t4rd3d> omfg
[03:47:49] <r00t4rd3d> a mouse made by BMW
[03:47:52] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?title=computer-mouse-designed-by-bmw-group-designworksusa-revolutionizes-the-world-of-gaming-a-futuristic&outputChannelId=6&id=T0130984EN&left_menu_item=node__6608
[03:49:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://usa.ttesports.com/productlist.aspx?c=1
[04:06:25] <r00t4rd3d> soon as i find one of those for 99 bucks i am getting one
[04:06:36] <r00t4rd3d> they on ebay for 145 atm
[07:16:51] <jthornton> how do you create a symbolic link?
[07:18:21] <r00t4rd3d> ln
[07:19:04] <DJ9DJ> ln -s
[07:19:11] <DJ9DJ> ln -s <file to link to> <name of link>
[07:19:34] <DJ9DJ> if you omit <name of link>, the link has the same name as the linked file
[07:19:48] <r00t4rd3d> ln -s /mnt/SharedFolder/blah/folder /mnt/SharedFolder/blah/link
[07:19:52] <DJ9DJ> parameter s is for symbolic link (compared to hard links)
[07:20:57] <r00t4rd3d> ln -s /var/log/dmesg /home/littleJT/dmesg
[07:22:06] <r00t4rd3d> ma ln
[07:22:10] <r00t4rd3d> man ln*
[07:22:43] <jthornton> thanks
[07:24:41] <jthornton> I never would have guessed ln for Link Name
[07:28:02] <r00t4rd3d> why do you need to create a link?
[07:28:30] <r00t4rd3d> most times ive seen it used is it fix a fk up
[07:28:38] <r00t4rd3d> is to*
[07:29:00] <jthornton> dunno I'm just doing monkey see... monkey do programming
[07:33:53] <jthornton> trying to import a library into my gui and trying to follow the touchy example
[07:36:31] <jthornton> with poor results atm
[07:43:21] <jthornton> ah got it now
[08:32:32] <r00t4rd3d> alcoholization litb@litb.dmdelivery.com
[08:32:32] <r00t4rd3d> to r00t.rootkit
[08:32:46] <r00t4rd3d> yeah i think ill open that attachment
[08:51:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/EvByO.jpg
[08:51:39] <r00t4rd3d> i find that rather odd.
[09:31:43] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> so are all the usb motion devices, for example the smooth stepper just a board with a microprocessor that receives commands via usb serial?
[09:39:24] <archivist_herron> they have their own motion planner
[09:42:42] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> Oh, so they actually handle the gcode internally?
[09:43:04] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> coordinate all the moves...
[09:50:37] <archivist_herron> which is why they are not really compatible with linuxcnc
[10:01:28] <pcw_home> Smooth stepper has a uProc (for comms)and a FPGA (for stepgen)
[10:02:30] <archivist_herron> which does the buffering?
[10:02:41] <pcw_home> not sure
[10:03:44] <Jymmm> looks like they have Ethernet SmoothStepper too
[10:04:29] <pcw_home> I have a buffered stepgen module (just velocity now) but if it was expanded to jerk the FPGA RAM would be plenty (you dont need very fast updates of a jerk limited profile)
[10:05:00] <Jymmm> Jamican spices?
[10:05:02] <pcw_home> all somewhat unrelated to LinuxCNC however
[10:05:39] <Jymmm> pcw_home: what do you mean 'jerk'?
[10:06:18] <pcw_home> third derivative of position versus time
[10:06:48] <Jymmm> 5s delay?
[10:06:54] <Jymmm> sorta kinda
[10:07:54] <pcw_home> you know when you stop your car and ease off the brakes just as you get to a stop?
[10:07:56] <pcw_home> you are doing a jerk limited motion
[10:08:25] <Jymmm> k
[10:09:17] <pcw_home> (so the stored energy in the "springyness" of the car doesn't jerk you backwards)
[10:10:36] <pcw_home> same thing for CNC machines (that little spike in following error at the beginning and end of motion that you just cant tune out with non jerk limited motion)
[10:16:34] <Jymmm> pcw_home: 7I80DB ONLY accepts 5V? Not like 5-36V ?
[10:23:24] <micges> I saw machine with 5V, 12V, 24V and 48V
[10:23:37] <micges> takes up storage
[10:24:50] <pcw_home> The problem is that the 5V can supply up to 4 daughter card so maybe up to 6A, Thats fairly expensive ( more than $3.00 in parts)
[10:31:36] <IchGuckLive> HI all from the SUNBURNED Germany
[10:31:55] <IchGuckLive> Here it is more Sun as at Burningman Blackrock City
[10:32:05] <Jymmm> Could you say that if you were in the UK?
[10:32:08] <IchGuckLive> Partyon
[10:32:25] <pcw_home> We finally got some warm weather here for a coupe days at least
[10:32:40] <IchGuckLive> .weather London
[10:33:31] <IchGuckLive> Pcw does the 5i25 work on the D525 Board
[10:35:24] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Multi-Voltage PS board up to 120VDC input =)
[10:35:44] <IchGuckLive> im off
[10:36:17] <pcw_home> IchGuckLive: yes
[10:36:46] <psha[work]> pcw_home: toooooo sloooooow :]
[10:37:20] <pcw_home> :-(
[10:38:10] <Jymmm> 5V@6A PS is a pita to find, mount, etc
[10:38:52] <Jymmm> is a switching PS ok pcw_home?
[10:39:14] <archivist> just dig out from pile of "might be useful one day"
[10:40:43] <Jymmm> Two boxes of walworts, but 5V@6A is gonna be an old laptop PS, and seems ghetto to cable tie one in a new controller box
[10:41:47] <Jymmm> oh wait, I might have a 5V PS, not sure if it's 3 or 6A though
[10:45:45] <pcw_home> Yes switching is OK
[10:46:31] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I'd still pay more if there was one less thing to deal with.
[10:47:42] <pcw_home> Yeah but on any significant machine 5V will be available (and the 7I80 is not aimed at low end machines)
[10:48:58] <Jymmm> 5V for what? I can see 12/24V for relays/control lamps, and higher voltage Ps for motors/drivers.
[10:49:28] <Jymmm> Like the geckos, they tap off the motor PS for the logic voltage.
[10:52:16] <Jymmm> I'd love a step-up version of this...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LM2596-DC-Buck-Step-Down-Converter-7-35V-to-3-24V-Car-Power-Supply-12V-to-5V-/271034199744?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1ae5aec0
[10:55:11] <archivist> get a din rail supply
[10:55:48] <Jymmm> My 24V is din
[10:56:20] <Jymmm> Just have limited space for another PS is all
[10:58:09] <pcw_home> 5V for encoders for example
[10:58:22] <Jymmm> aah
[10:59:09] <archivist> I have 5v to drive level shifters and optos
[11:00:41] <ssi> I have a 5V 50A supply lying around
[11:00:45] <ssi> but it's like 120lbs :P
[11:02:21] <pcw_home> Step up is easy step down is easy but both together is awkward
[11:02:38] <Jymmm> I like it
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-100W-3-35V-to-3-5-35V-Boost-Step-up-Module-Power-Supply-LED-Voltmeter-/170905602162?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cac48872
[11:03:28] <ssi> (Input voltage is less than 4V, the on-board voltage meter failure)
[11:03:31] <ssi> hate it when that happens
[11:04:21] <Jymmm> heh
[11:05:24] <archivist> our shit comes with documented bugs!
[11:06:03] <Jymmm> Well, min output V is 3.5V, so not that big a deal I guess.
[11:10:54] <Jymmm> ssi: Though I'm glad they actually disclosed that.
[11:11:36] <Jymmm> ve7it: WHAT?! You actually using a power hnugry PC for two days in a row?
[11:11:54] <ve7it> just for a few minutes!
[11:12:27] <Jymmm> ve7it: Yeah, and HF rigs are known for their "green power conservation"
[11:12:47] <ve7it> sure...
[11:12:53] <Jymmm> lol
[11:15:08] <Jymmm> ve7it: Whats that glowing 1000W tube linear behind you?
[11:15:27] <Jymmm> RF Watts that is
[11:15:42] <ve7it> that sits under the stairs waiting for a cold winter night
[11:15:54] <Jymmm> Heh, no shit huh.
[11:16:16] <ve7it> or when I feel like roasting some weenies
[11:16:56] <Jymmm> I was always scarred moving it... "dont break the tube, dont break the tube..."
[11:17:47] <ve7it> yea 3-1000 tubes are getting kind of rare... I have 1 spare
[11:18:35] <ve7it> gene is an old broadcast guy... I should ask him if he has any sources for driver tube pulls
[11:18:45] <Jymmm> ve7it: Though we did hae some fun at 3500ft elevation and a small (8ft) 10 element beam one evening
[11:20:34] <Jymmm> ve7it: We went slumming down on 11m ;)
[11:30:58] <tjb1> got my g540 and steppers today :D
[11:33:02] <ReadError> awwww yea
[11:35:24] <tjb1> Kinda sad though that $1300 fit into 2 small boxes
[11:38:28] <ScribbleJ> Somewhere someone has to have a CAD program where I can just draw the planes of the object I want and it will automatically create joins and a cutting layout for lasercutting. Probably I'd only need to tell it what size material I'm going to use.
[11:38:35] <ScribbleJ> Anyone know of anything?
[11:39:30] <Jymmm> coreldraw does joins, but not 100% automatically
[11:39:43] <ScribbleJ> Coreldraw? WTF.
[11:39:50] <ScribbleJ> I thought that was like a painting program.
[11:40:08] <ScribbleJ> Anyhow, it's only 2D isn't it?
[11:40:31] <Jymmm> CorelDraw is used primarily in the desktop laser and embroidary industry
[11:40:54] <ScribbleJ> I'm picturing something where I can draw a 3D thing and the program will automatically deconstruct it into a set of planes I can bolt/glue together with tabs or blind nuts or whatever.
[11:41:24] <ScribbleJ> I guess the way I asked it at first was confusing. My mistake.
[11:41:27] <Jymmm> lol, wake up toto, your not in KS anymore
[11:41:56] <Jymmm> that'll take at least 3 different programs
[11:42:03] <ScribbleJ> Oh?
[11:42:06] <jdh> I think the 3d printer guys use software that slices 3d models
[11:42:18] <ScribbleJ> I'm a 3D printer guy. Not quite the same problem though, jdh.
[11:42:37] <ScribbleJ> That slices them into a stack of plates; I could totally use that to lasercut a 3D thing
[11:42:40] <jdh> well, that explanes it.
[11:43:20] <tjb1> im gonna try to hookup everything here and get some movement from linuxcnc, who wants to help? :D
[11:43:24] <ScribbleJ> But not what I'm looking for, which is something that'll create just the 'facets' of a thing to be put together.
[11:44:19] <tjb1> I wish mastercam would take my solid model, machine, and available tools and do the toolpaths itself ;)
[11:44:38] <ScribbleJ> It doesn't?
[11:44:50] <tjb1> You serious?
[11:45:02] <ScribbleJ> Absolutely. Why, in theory, couldn't it?
[11:45:13] <tjb1> That cost money
[11:45:17] <ScribbleJ> Oh sure.
[11:45:29] <ScribbleJ> I just assumed from the name it was one of those costly programs.
[11:45:49] <Jymmm> It it, ArtCam $10K USD
[11:46:03] <archivist> there are levels of expense with mastercam etc
[11:47:18] <archivist> but human knows his machine and tools best
[11:48:39] <tjb1> Mastercam cant get stock setup right, I couldnt expect them to toolpath automatically
[11:50:42] <ScribbleJ> I totally suck at design.
[11:50:59] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> I use SolidCam regularly
[11:51:12] <ScribbleJ> Yesterday I spent hours designing a stupid case for my latest 3D printer, to be lasercut.
[11:51:23] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> you will get faster
[11:51:42] <ScribbleJ> I swear to god, I designed the whole fucking thing, I was down to the last part, and only then did I realize it's impossible to assemble because a bolthead is inbetween two parts that need to be attached to each other.
[11:52:06] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> I always assemble as i design
[11:52:24] <archivist> you need that reality to teach you about design :)
[11:52:28] <ScribbleJ> I'm using primitive tools that don't have utilities for things like that.
[11:53:04] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> like a chisel?
[11:53:18] <archivist> I love Solidworks for assemblies and movements
[11:53:32] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> archivist: i would agree 100%
[11:53:37] <L84Supper> ^^ yes, it's easy in Solidworks
[11:53:38] <ScribbleJ> hahah, I thought you meant virtually, WillenCMD_AT_Wor. I'm definitely not confident enough in a design of mine to assemble it in actuality as I go.
[11:54:14] <L84Supper> NX is even better but costs more
[11:54:14] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> I sometimes don't even think or include bolts/welds untill a 3d model is assembled
[11:54:59] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> i through a rough machine design together for the last customer in 6 hours, a complete cnc diamond cut off saw
[11:55:36] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> enclosure, and all, plus i put coolant in it and rendered photo-realistic images for the pitch
[11:55:46] <L84Supper> for some reason the ID people love ProE for the enclosures
[11:56:32] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> then when i got the job, i went back and said "okay now time to make it work, and preform the stress analysis on it"
[11:57:19] <ScribbleJ> ID?
[11:57:38] <L84Supper> ID = Industrial Design
[11:58:08] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> On friday i went to check on the progress of the parts being made, and as i looked at what they had assembled i said "how coming your missing a bunch of wholes in places?"
[11:58:27] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> holes*
[11:59:45] <L84Supper> I've had Solidworks drop holes for fasteners when exporting to STL
[12:00:36] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> he said they weren't on the drawing, i was pissed at first at my self thinking... how did i miss that when you just drag the model into a drawing sheet.... well i started digging through the folder, and low and behold there they where
[12:01:02] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> i think he got so excited to put it together, that he started missing steps
[12:01:44] <ScribbleJ> haa
[12:02:19] <L84Supper> WillenCMD_AT_Wor, what do you use for photo rendering with Solidworks?
[12:03:10] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> l84supper: i use photoview 360
[12:16:12] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[12:19:56] <tjb1> What is R.S on a power supply?
[12:19:59] <tjb1> remote start?
[12:21:33] <pcw_home> reset?
[12:21:49] <jdh> .uk electronics place?
[12:22:38] <jdh> resonant switching? Radio Shack?
[12:24:48] <tjb1> remote sense...
[12:25:52] <tjb1> ubuntu wont let me into the damn bios setup now
[12:26:26] <jdh> how does ubuntu have anything to do with the bios setup?
[12:26:50] <tjb1> i change it to epp mode, then it errored out trying to start it and now I cant get into bios anymore
[12:28:44] <L84Supper> cold boot --> BIOS
[12:29:44] <tjb1> it wont let me into setup or boot order when starting the computer now
[12:30:41] <L84Supper> what happens if you shutdown and turn off the PC, then power-on?
[12:30:54] <jdh> there is a program on the wiki, showport.c that will let you set parport modes from the commandline.
[12:31:01] <tjb1> it starts up and ignores any keyboard input
[12:31:12] <L84Supper> tjb1, the OS isn't even running yet
[12:31:12] <jdh> if you just want to play with modes
[12:31:26] <jdh> it's not unbuntu doing that, it is the bios.
[12:31:44] <L84Supper> ahh the fun of BIOS, you might have to reset the CMOS with a jumper to clear the settings ow
[12:32:01] <L84Supper> ow/now
[12:32:58] <tjb1> well took the battery off the motherboard and removed 2 sticks of ram
[12:33:05] <tjb1> now its doing automatic ide config
[12:33:08] <jdh> ram doesn't matter
[12:33:25] <tjb1> im in the bios now...
[12:33:31] <jdh> is there a bios setting for USB Legacy support?
[12:35:03] <L84Supper> removing the battery for a short time will not always clear CMOS, a schottky diode in series to the chipset with a cap will hold a charge for a while
[12:35:37] <jdh> there's usually a jumper to drain the cap
[12:35:56] <L84Supper> the jumper will open the connection from the battery and also short the cap to ground
[12:36:27] <tjb1> where is this jumper located
[12:36:38] <jdh> usually near the battery
[12:37:30] <tjb1> im in bios now
[12:37:34] <tjb1> removing battery fixedi t
[12:38:40] <jdh> leave 'enable legacy kb support' turned on
[12:38:47] <L84Supper> \0/
[12:38:52] <IchGuckLive> what board is that
[12:39:11] <tjb1> jumper at the bottom that says
[12:39:15] <tjb1> CLR Password and MMODE
[12:40:36] <tjb1> IchGuckLive:
https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=e210882
[12:47:24] <IchGuckLive> BNice
[12:55:41] <tjb1> ok g540 hooked up to power supply and computer
[12:56:59] <tjb1> Will the G540 be in the machine configurations or just ignore that for now?
[12:59:37] <jthornton> sample configurations or stepconf wizard?
[13:00:25] <tjb1> just started linuxcnc and it brought me to configuration selector
[13:00:54] <jthornton> I don't think there is a sample config for the G540
[13:01:28] <jthornton> you can make one with the stepconf wizard
[13:02:25] <tjb1> alright
[13:02:29] <tjb1> starting it up now
[13:03:04] <tjb1> there is a driver type for g540
[13:04:32] <tjb1> This jitter test, do I input the base thread max jitter?
[13:05:23] <L84Supper> tjb1, looks like this might be the manual for that board
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4700/sm/index.htm
[13:05:52] <L84Supper> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4700/sm/techov.htm#wp1052362
[13:10:32] <tjb1> thansk L84Supper
[13:12:10] <tjb1> where do I slave an axis?
[13:18:40] <jdh> we don't call it "slave", too many people found the term offensive.
[13:19:08] <Tom_itx> pfft
[13:21:13] <tjb1> I just changed hal so that it sent xstep and xdir to the astep and adir pins
[13:21:16] <tjb1> that correct?
[13:21:59] <jdh> does that work?
[13:22:09] <tjb1> it does but the A doesnt update on the DRO
[13:22:39] <jdh> doesn't gantrykins do something like that?
[13:24:01] <tjb1> I read that but it requires homing x and a
[13:24:04] <tjb1> I want to home only X
[13:24:16] <tjb1> I think homing them together would screw it up and rack the gantry
[13:36:16] <Connor> Dang it... everyone wants to ship a freaking power resistor via UPS
[13:37:23] <tjb1> UPS > USPS
[13:37:39] <tjb1> unless you want saturday shipping
[13:37:39] <jdh> for price
[13:37:47] <Jymmm> You mean Oooooooooops
[13:38:23] <Jymmm> http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/international-economy/17152d1258155078-ups-vs-fedex-battle-heavyweights-fed-ex-ups-crash.jpg
[13:38:31] <jdh> my two pieces of steel lost in shipping were UPS, but I blame morons in packaging at amazon
[13:48:17] <archivist> jdh someone I know does that job, they get him to do upto 60 parcels an hour, dunno how anyone can make sure all parcels are perfect at that rate
[13:51:02] <jdh> the 2nd one had a 36" long 20lb steel rod held in a 38" tube with a single layer of paper tape.
[13:57:45] <archivist> looks like they cannot keep workers by the number of open jobs
http://www.indeed.co.uk/Amazon-jobs-in-Rugeley
[14:06:05] <Connor> Well.. I need to see about finding a local dealer for this part.. I be danged if I'm going to pay that much in shipping..
[14:06:41] <jdh> whatcha buying?
[14:07:16] <Connor> I'm just needing a .006Ohm power resistor for the new motor controller.
[14:07:32] <Connor> but, I'm not going to pay $13.00 shipping for a $1.88 part
[14:07:47] <jdh> where did you get the controller?
[14:07:55] <Connor> Ebay
[14:08:15] <jdh> it's for current sense?
[14:08:36] <Connor> They call it Plug-In Horsepower resistor.
[14:10:27] <ink> haha
[14:10:31] <ink> nice name, marketing
[14:10:35] <ink> sounds like a current sense resistor
[14:10:51] <Connor> It is. It's just mounted on a PCB with 2 pins.
[14:10:57] <ink> heh ah
[14:11:17] <ink> I wonder if anybody sells them on ebay also? or maybe mouser.com (no extra fee for small orders)
[14:11:38] <Connor> They do. But, $10.00 ship+handling if you don't buy it with a controller.
[14:11:46] <ink> lame
[14:11:51] <ink> I meant somebody else
[14:11:57] <Connor> http://www.galco.com/buy/KB-Electronics/RESISTOR006OHMS
[14:12:02] <Jymmm> Connor: Nichrome wire and tw o crimp-ons =)
[14:12:03] <Connor> I looked.. didn't find anyone.
[14:12:06] <Jymmm> two
[14:12:35] <Connor> I found local company that deals with the product. going to see if they have one in stock.
[14:13:23] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/160371456472
[14:13:25] <Jymmm> I made a 0.010ohm current shunt doing that
[14:13:53] <jdh> $5, free shipping. Can't drive across town for that.
[14:13:58] <jdh> at least, not in my vehicle.
[14:14:19] <Jymmm> 97 available too
[14:15:24] <Jymmm> jdh: Heh, I want to ghetto together an electric cart for short runs around town.
[14:16:12] <jdh> I'm pretty sure you would die quickly doing that here.
[14:16:16] <ink> Jymmm: hahah nice trick
[14:16:51] <Jymmm> jdh: Something that pushes the sidewalk/street legalness
[14:16:53] <Jymmm> ink: =)
[14:17:10] <Jymmm> and does 40mph downhill in a hurricane
[14:19:18] <jdh> About 13,000 golf cart-related accidents require emergency room visits each year, according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission.
[14:19:41] <Jymmm> 99% are on the golf course =)
[14:22:06] <jdh> guy I dove with this w/e is an ER RN, said they had a lot of kids hurt falling out of them.
[14:22:25] <pcw_home> Lot of golfers get struck by lighting as well
[14:22:27] <jdh> turn left, and the passenger falls out
[14:23:44] <jdh> golfers getting struck by lightning is kind of poetic.
[14:29:51] <Connor> jdh: This controller isn't going in that little G0704 control box..
[14:31:58] <jdh> make a new box!
[14:32:20] <jdh> then you will have more room for the speed controller too.
[14:32:34] <jdh> and a built in E-Stop
[14:32:59] <L84Supper> why a golf cart when you can build one of these?
http://www.8020.net/Application-52.htm
[14:33:05] <Connor> Debating on were to put it. *I* could mount it in the cnc-controller box.. but, that means running the DC wire a ways.
[14:33:31] <jdh> get some big wire
[14:33:33] <ink> lol
[14:33:40] <Jymmm> L84Supper: you know how much those tracks alone cost?!
[14:33:42] <ink> ultimate golf cart
[14:33:54] <jdh> L84: it snowed here a few years ago. I could have used that for about 30 minutes
[14:33:56] <Connor> jdh: I'll have to run a dedicated AC line for it too..
[14:35:47] <L84Supper> Jymmm, it's from the 80-20 catalog, so probably ~$35
[14:36:00] <Jymmm> 00
[14:37:22] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> anyone worked with 510 bronze?
[14:37:59] <Jymmm> L84Supper: yeah, per cm
[14:44:20] <archivist> WillenCMD_AT_Wor, dunno what that is in our standards but some brasses/bronzes are evil to cut :)
[14:44:31] <archivist> some cut like butter
[14:46:00] <archivist> ah phospher bronze, last I used was very nice to machine
[14:46:48] <archivist> interesting variations though
http://www.meadmetals.com/phosphorbronze.htm
[14:48:57] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> Having some orange peel difficulties
[14:49:14] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> this is aluminum bronze
[14:49:30] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> not as nice as 660 or 640
[14:50:37] <r00t4rd3d> I hope facebook goes bankrupt.
[14:51:22] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:FB
[14:51:42] <r00t4rd3d> I like watching their stock decline.
[14:51:44] <jthornton> they have some of the funniest scam ads on flacebook
[14:51:45] <archivist> according to that site I just linked 510 is not aluminium bronze /me confused
[14:54:53] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> my apoligies
[14:55:05] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> this is what i was told, i looked it up and your right
[14:59:47] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> couldn't i make a DAC component for linux cnc, if you can read pulses from an encoder, couldn't you determine the voltage from lets say a microprocessor by the spacing of the pwm as long as it wasn't over the thread timing
[15:00:25] <archivist> you mean ADC
[15:01:11] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> no pwm is actually digital
[15:01:21] <pcw_home> You can use a V-F converter and the the encoder comp
[15:02:29] <pcw_home> (the velocity pin)
[15:07:01] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> thanks, i was just wondering
[15:07:08] <L84Supper> Jymmm,
http://www.fastline.com/v100/Caterpillar-16-Tracks-MOODIE-IMPLEMENT-COMPANY-BELGRADE-MT-equipment-detail-7b5bc430-9c99-4a42-ad76-8176006510de.aspx only $6900 and Low MIles!
[15:07:33] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> i guess the resolution is limited to the thread timing, so it wouldn't be a good way of communication
[15:08:21] <L84Supper> http://www.fastline.com/v100/Loegering-VTS-60-Swiderski-Equipment-Inc-MOSINEE-WI-equipment-detail-9666d92a-3d98-4ffc-9478-d3917f9b91e8.aspx even better! and with wheels
[15:08:29] <Connor> Good God.. Kluber Isoflex NBU-15 is expensive.. especially when I only need 1.5cc's of it..
[15:08:37] <Jymmm> L84Supper: lol
[15:08:47] <Connor> 50 gram tube $22.45 + shipping.
[15:09:17] <jdh> wonder how much better it is than trailer bearing grease.
[15:09:17] <pcw_home> encoder velocity calculation res is limited by base thread resolution
[15:09:43] <Connor> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/kluber-isoflex-grease-available-locally-146101/
[15:10:10] <pcw_home> but if you only need a couple Hz bandwidth its OK for 12 bit or so res
[15:12:10] <Connor> jdh: I have everything I need for my spindle upgrade except for a 3.5" ID Alum tube that I probably can get locally.
[15:12:26] <Connor> and the blasted kluber grease.
[15:12:32] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> not bad, seems like an easy way to send commands to a microprocessor, not that im doing that. It was just a thought, something better than standard serial
[15:12:54] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> Damn kluber expense stuff man
[15:18:31] <jdh> connor: you putting in new bearings also?
[15:18:39] <Connor> jdh: Yea.
[15:19:32] <jdh> have you seen that guys g0704 thread on the zone? Scraped everything, etc?
[15:20:03] <skorket> Can someone help me understand this document on "MDF Cutting Data"?
https://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/2012%20LMT%20Onsrud%20Production%20Cutting%20Tools%20MDF.pdf . What is the upper left hand data? What are each of the valuse in the table? What is the "Series" column?
[15:20:19] <Connor> jdh: OMG Yea.. I'm not doing that..
[15:21:23] <syyl_> i bet, thats the cutting speed in inch/minute, skorket
[15:21:34] <skorket> ah, ok, sorry, the data in the table is the 'chip load'. I still don't understand what the other stuff is
[15:21:41] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> so i have been programming now for about 3 months in python and a year in C, and i am wondering. Why does everyone just use letter's for variables all the time?
[15:21:53] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> it really makes it hard for someone to go through the porgram
[15:21:55] <skunkworks> lazy
[15:22:00] <skorket> syyl_, ah, so the upper left hand corner is basically the feed rate?
[15:22:03] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> i label all my variables what they are actually doing
[15:22:07] <syyl_> no, cutting speed
[15:22:12] <syyl_> surface meter(?)
[15:22:16] <syyl_> dont now the english term
[15:22:26] <syyl_> circumflexe speed of the cutting edge
[15:22:42] <jdh> Willen: I use single letters for loops and short scoped things.
[15:22:43] <skunkworks> the lanquage I started with didn't allow for multi character varables... For I = 1 to 100....
[15:23:07] <jdh> I'm a fan of i,j,k
[15:23:11] <skorket> syyl_, I think we're saying the same thing. "feed rate" == "speed of tool through material"
[15:23:41] <syyl_> it dictates how fast the tool turns
[15:23:54] <syyl_> (or has to turn)
[15:24:11] <skorket> revolutions per minute (RPM)?
[15:24:24] <syyl_> the table seems to be in inches/min
[15:24:32] <syyl_> take the formular at the end of the sheet
[15:24:36] <syyl_> to calculate the rpms
[15:25:14] <syyl_> uhm, stop, that formular is something..strange
[15:25:30] <skorket> but I still don't know what the numbers in the upper left hand table or, nor do I know what the "series" column is supposed to represent
[15:25:58] <syyl_> series might be a specified tool type of that manufacturer
[15:26:08] <skorket> ah, ok
[15:27:28] <syyl_> and that values in the upper table seem to be the cutting speed in inches/min
[15:27:43] <skorket> as in, the speed at which the bit moves through the material?
[15:28:16] <syyl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speeds_and_feeds#Cutting_speed
[15:28:44] <syyl_> ah, surface feet/min is the imperial unit for it..
[15:29:27] <skorket> yeah, I believe this is synonymous with "feed rate"
[15:29:31] <syyl_> no
[15:29:33] <jdh> surface furlongs/fort-night was too confusing
[15:29:35] <syyl_> absolutely not
[15:29:54] <syyl_> feed rate is rpm * chipload per tooth +
[15:30:03] <syyl_> feed rate is rpm * chipload per tooth * number of tooth
[15:30:53] <syyl_> the cutting speed is only there, that you will not burn up your tool running it with to low/high rpm
[15:32:36] <skorket> ah, my apologies, I thought the feed rate was something different. In grbl you can set the feed rate and seek rate. I thought the feed rate in that context was the speed at which the bit moves through the material. Maybe I misunderstood what was happening with grbl or maybe they just use the name in error
[15:34:53] <Connor> jdh: I got terrible finish on my motor mount and the motor mount base..
[15:34:57] <Connor> Not sure what's going on..
[15:35:11] <jdh> chatter?
[15:35:26] <Connor> I don't know.. maybe.. it was a profile..
[15:35:38] <jdh> climb or conventional?
[15:36:02] <Connor> funny thing is, the scrape looked better than the part.. it most places.
[15:36:08] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> My philosophy is multiply the suggested feed by 3
[15:36:34] <Connor> conventional
[15:36:37] <jdh> you cut it backwards
[15:36:40] <Connor> but, does that matter on a profile.
[15:36:52] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> its only noise, i don't have all day to wait around for it to finish machining, if the tool chips back the feed off 10%
[15:37:11] <jdh> if the tool chips, I have to wait a week for a new cheap chinese tool :)
[15:37:49] <Connor> To be honest, I had one part cut CW and the other CCW.. both turned out equally as bad.
[15:38:09] <Connor> 1/4 HSS 2-flute, 2500 RPM 12-14 IPM
[15:38:12] <jdh> got a pic?
[15:38:15] <Connor> 6061-T6
[15:38:26] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> climb is the preferred method of milling in a CNC machine
[15:38:42] <Connor> On some of the arcs were I couldn't sand it down
[15:38:49] <Connor> I've not taken any pictures yet.
[15:38:57] <Connor> .075" DOC
[15:39:05] <jdh> in a profile cut, wouldn't one side always be climb, the other conventional?
[15:39:20] <Connor> jdh: Exactly. which is what doesn't make sense..
[15:39:41] <Connor> I'm think I may have a few things going on.. Not enough RPM. Maybe dull cutter..
[15:39:55] <Connor> May have not had the material supported well enough...
[15:40:40] <Connor> also, first time using the TTS holders.
[15:42:42] <jdh> did it get worse at the x & y min/max?
[15:42:59] <jdh> not min/max, but direction changes
[15:45:03] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> 2500 rpm seems kinda slow
[15:45:42] <jdh> how did it sound? any lube?
[15:46:01] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> conner: i figure it up at a 3,667rpm
[15:46:41] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> at 11 IPM
[15:47:05] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> Im milling 6061 as we speak :)
[15:47:50] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> well i shouldn't say "I", technically im sitting here on the computer, the milling machine is milling as we speak:)
[15:49:21] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> i have a 2 flute .25 endmill in there, its carbide(normally i steer away from carbide and aluminum, but it was all we had and its a one off part)
[15:49:34] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> carbide for aluminum*
[15:51:03] <Tom_itx> carbide works good on aluminum
[15:52:00] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> yes but why waste the money, when HSS does plenty good
[15:52:18] <Tom_itx> you can run it faster
[15:56:00] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> im taking a 3/4 2 flute endmill through this piece of aluminum right now, .75 deep profile cutting it out basically at 2000rpm and 12 IPM
[15:56:20] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> one pass
[15:56:40] <ink> nice
[15:56:53] * ink just got back from burningman... saw sooo much awesome CNC'd plywood stuff out there
[15:57:01] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> i would be hesitant to do that with a carbide end mill, just for the sheer fact a .75 carbide endmill is about $140.00
[15:57:03] * ink needs to get access to a cutter for that stuff
[15:57:10] <ink> or find a shop that will run jobs for me or smth
[15:57:36] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> a double ended HSS endmill $36.00
[15:57:40] <r00t4rd3d> ill run jobs for you
[15:57:44] <Connor> jdh: Sounded fine. I tried it dry, WD-40 and some other cutting oil I had.
[15:59:37] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> i love when people come running over when i cut through a piece of 1018 3/4 thick steel in one pass with a .5 insert end mill saying "that doesn't sound good", my response its only noise
[16:00:49] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> ink: I could quote you on some machining if needed
[16:01:52] <ink> I don't suppose you're in the SF bay area? shipping large sheets of plywood around could get expensive
[16:02:23] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> True
[16:02:34] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> build a router :)
[16:02:39] <ink> I really should :)
[16:02:48] <ink> gotta stop slacking and get on that
[16:03:20] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> nothing beats, thinking something up and being able to actually make it
[16:03:47] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> i take that back, im sure there are things that beat that i can think of a few
[16:03:55] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> but its still cool
[16:04:13] <r00t4rd3d> i like starting with a blank white page in PaintShop Pro and it ends up on wood.
[16:04:30] <ink> WillenCMD_AT_Wor: totally :)
[16:05:00] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> are you sure your not getting wood?
[16:06:27] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> <--- hates grocery shopping
[16:07:57] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> Why are there still grocery stores any way? take a large building, cut out half the employee's, build a website, people pick out groceries online, purchase and are given a time for available pick up. Pull up and load them into your car
[16:09:29] <WillenCMD_AT_Wor> track there common purchases and hell before you know it, you only have to pick out the few misc seasonal or on sale items your list is already there
[16:30:00] <pcw_home> Yeah before the dot bomb that was the theory (Peapod.com?)
[16:33:27] <pcw_home> I remember 100s (maybe 1000's) of Peapod.com trucks being auctioned off after da bomb
[16:36:06] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[17:33:42] <Connor> How much play should their be in a AC bearing ? (B rating)
[17:34:21] <Connor> I got a 7007B and 7005B from VBX.. The 7007B feels fine.. the 7005B not so much..
[18:14:15] <r00t4rd3d> yay, no easy day on the bay
[18:24:34] <guest45674> hi
[18:24:51] <guest45674> quick question (hopefully)
[18:26:05] <guest45674> trying to set up user defined m codes to open and close my collet closer. i set up the execuable file, seems to be correct. however, the pins to not change when i try the m100 and m101 in mdi
[18:26:35] <guest45674> the pins used to work fine when i had a pyvcp button hooked up
[18:27:40] <guest45674> all examples i found are for parport setups, is there anything different for hosmot2 other than changing the pin to the 5i20 gpio pin?
[18:31:08] <r00t4rd3d> If anyone wants to read No Easy Day, pm.
[18:31:08] <guest45674t> sorry got booted
[18:31:23] <guest45674t> did anyone answer while i was gone?
[18:31:26] <r00t4rd3d> nope
[18:31:28] <jdh> nope.
[18:31:50] <jdh> if you run the script by hand, does it do anything?
[18:32:21] <jdh> run linuxcnc from the command line and look for errors? check dmesg for oddities?
[18:32:32] <guest45674t> im not very familiar with running scripts
[18:33:17] <jdh> where did you save them?
[18:34:18] <jdh> start linuxcnc however you normally do. open up a terminal window, type /path/to/scripts/scriptname
[18:34:33] <jdh> or be reset by peer
[18:35:25] <guest45674t> the nc files folder
[18:35:25] <jdh> start linuxcnc however you normally do. open up a terminal window, type /path/to/scripts/scriptname
[18:35:46] <guest45674t> ok
[18:36:41] <guest45674t> no such file or directory
[18:37:35] <jdh> you did type the actual path, not what I typed?
[18:38:47] <guest45674t> told you i dont know anything about scripts lol
[18:39:18] <guest45674t> hold on ill try it again
[18:50:29] <guest45674t> stupid battery....
[18:51:31] <guest45674t> http://pastebin.com/zWxigENf
[18:51:42] <guest45674t> there's one of the files
[18:52:01] <guest45674t> does it have to be saved as a particular extension?
[18:52:23] <guest45674t> i have it checked as an execuable in the properties
[18:52:37] <jdh> no, but I think you need the actual pin names
[18:52:47] <jdh> or, you need to source the ini file in the script.
[18:53:54] <jdh> try hm2_5i20.0.gpio.069.out or whatever your actual pin name is
[18:54:03] <jdh> or, flake out again.
[18:55:26] <guest45674t> let me see if i can change it
[18:55:49] <guest45674t> didnt think of that... couldnt find any examples with the 5i20, only parport
[18:56:40] <JT-Shop> guest45674t: I use a 5i20 to open and close my collet
[18:56:56] <jdh> via mcode script, or ladder?
[18:57:06] <JT-Shop> m100 m101
[18:58:00] <guest45674t> i got it!
[18:58:10] <guest45674t> you were right jdh
[18:58:23] <guest45674t> thanks!
[18:58:28] <jdh> groovy.
[18:59:13] <guest45674t> now i just need to figure out how to integrate it with my pyvcp buttons
[18:59:20] <guest45674t> so i can manually open and close it too
[18:59:21] <JT-Shop> use or
[18:59:28] <JT-Shop> it's what I do
[19:00:01] <JT-Shop> net collet-open-btn or2.3.in0 <= hm2_5i20.0.gpio.027.in_not
[19:00:04] <guest45674t> the m codes override the button?
[19:00:41] <JT-Shop> I use or iirc looking
[19:00:54] <jdh> My labor day results ->
https://picasaweb.google.com/112430417093824344570/Diving#5784471929766227186
[19:01:27] <JT-Shop> #!/bin/sh
[19:01:28] <JT-Shop> # open the collet closer
[19:01:28] <JT-Shop> eval halcmd setp or2.3.in1 1
[19:01:28] <JT-Shop> sleep 0.25
[19:01:28] <JT-Shop> eval halcmd setp or2.3.in1 0
[19:01:30] <JT-Shop> sleep 0.5
[19:01:32] <JT-Shop> exit 0
[19:01:35] <JT-Shop> my M100
[19:02:31] <JT-Shop> see how it works?
[19:02:36] <jdh> why the eval?
[19:02:50] <JT-Shop> don't remember
[19:02:58] <JT-Shop> but it works
[19:03:18] <guest45674t> got it, i'll play with it after i run these parts, thanks!
[19:03:24] <JT-Shop> np
[19:03:31] <Tom_itx> workin late?
[19:03:49] <JT-Shop> me?
[19:03:56] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:04:13] <JT-Shop> tracing wires on the BP for the next phase of the conversion
[19:04:23] <Tom_itx> ahh yeah
[19:04:55] <JT-Shop> cut the wires from the encoders so it's Katy bar the door now
[19:06:27] <JT-Shop> thinking at this point of ditching the Anilam relay board... to complicated to cypher
[19:10:51] <jp__> Anyone familiar with monarch VMC's
[19:11:46] <jp__> just wondering what kind of drive/servos they would of used?
[19:24:42] <r00t4rd3d> JT-Shop, the Sheet Alignment, how is that different then offset?
[19:25:21] <r00t4rd3d> or does that just make it easier?
[19:26:45] <r00t4rd3d> i never installed my limit/home switches so i am constantly setting my own x,y 0
[19:29:34] <r00t4rd3d> so say i cut 2 of the same parts in the same material, i normally just unclamp the material, slide it forward, start.
[19:29:53] <r00t4rd3d> which is a giant pita
[19:30:00] <r00t4rd3d> for some stuff
[19:30:19] <ScribbleJ> Mmmm giant pita.
[19:30:40] <r00t4rd3d> p.i.t.a
[19:30:51] <r00t4rd3d> im not talking bread
[19:49:42] <WillenCMD> root
[19:49:48] <r00t-Shed> yeah
[19:50:00] <WillenCMD> you can set your .ini for no homing upon start
[19:50:45] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[19:50:49] <WillenCMD> then before shut down send our machine to home and shut it off, i have observed what the normal movement is power on of stepper motor's and its usually less the .0002
[19:50:54] <WillenCMD> your*
[19:51:14] <r00t4rd3d> how do you send home?
[19:51:35] <WillenCMD> G28 X0.Y0.Z0.
[19:52:05] <Tom_itx> but be careful
[19:52:10] <Tom_itx> i send z first
[19:52:15] <WillenCMD> tom is right
[19:52:16] <Tom_itx> because they all move at once
[19:52:29] <Tom_itx> not all machines do that but linuxcnc does
[19:52:37] <WillenCMD> its standard procedure to home z first on any cnc milling machine i have seen or ra
[19:53:18] <r00t-Shed> when you say G28 X0.Y0.Z0. , I have no clue
[19:53:25] <WillenCMD> i don't always follow this procedure especially if there is no tool in the machine and now work mounted on the table
[19:53:35] <WillenCMD> thats a Gcode command
[19:53:39] <WillenCMD> go to MDI
[19:53:49] <Valen> we have home sensors now after years of not having them
[19:53:50] <WillenCMD> type G28 Z0.
[19:53:51] <Tom_itx> you say G28 Z0
[19:53:57] <Valen> they are a bit of a meh really
[19:53:59] <Tom_itx> then G28 X0 Y0
[19:54:00] <WillenCMD> press enter
[19:54:16] <r00t-Shed> oh, ive never really looked in that tab
[19:54:21] <WillenCMD> lol
[19:54:41] <Valen> putting something back into the jig is going to be less accurate than lining up on it again generally so we just line up again
[19:54:42] <WillenCMD> i use mdi frequently
[19:54:57] <Valen> we have machined whole parts by typing gcode into mdi lol
[19:55:05] <r00t-Shed> umm cause i use inch, is it stll g28?
[19:55:11] <WillenCMD> yes
[19:55:12] <Tom_itx> yessir
[19:55:22] <Tom_itx> units takes care of inch/metric
[19:56:00] <WillenCMD> the only difference in inch and metric is a math problem :)
[19:56:29] <WillenCMD> doesn't matter what leadscrew you have what pitch it is or what the dial says on the handle, when its cnc it takes care of the math
[19:56:32] <r00t-Shed> sad part is i have 6 limit/home switches just sitting in a bag
[19:56:47] <WillenCMD> they can be a pain to find a location for
[19:57:31] <WillenCMD> i use the encoder index for home, and a proximity switch
[19:57:52] <r00t-Shed> yeah thats my issue , placement and wire management
[19:58:12] <WillenCMD> rapid back until i had the proximity sensor, slow the feed down untill the index mark comes around
[19:58:21] <WillenCMD> hit*
[20:00:13] <WillenCMD> thats the method i use on all the machines i design, but i also have a mechanical switch before the end of the travel, just in case the proximity sensor fails
[20:00:37] <WillenCMD> if they both fail, well shit
[20:01:51] <WillenCMD> kidding, it remember's its location upon start up if it goes beyond 1 revolution of where home should be if the motor's didn't move on startup it will through an error also
[20:02:39] <WillenCMD> but if that fails i have a ball pit like those in the mcdonalds play ground that the table can fly off into
[20:02:50] <WillenCMD> so nothing gets damaged
[20:02:56] <WillenCMD> :)
[20:03:55] <WillenCMD> okay now to work on the hal IDE
[20:04:13] <r00t-Shed> couldnt those commands be done with hal and buttons?
[20:04:40] <r00t-Shed> Home Z , Home X, Home Y
[20:04:58] <jp__> yes
[20:05:22] <r00t-Shed> it seems like that feature should be included
[20:05:45] <jp__> it is via the wikki
[20:16:09] <WillenCMD> hey tom
[20:19:24] <jp__> Tom_itx: what are you using for a hotend on your printer?
[21:03:10] <r00t4rd3d> Ive been through 3 logitech g700 mice in 2.5 years. Their most expensive model.
[21:04:00] <r00t4rd3d> All end up double clicking on a single click eventually.
[21:04:48] <Valen> replace the micro?
[21:05:18] <r00t4rd3d> i know how to fix them and i do after they send me a replacement
[21:05:26] <Valen> lol
[21:06:26] <r00t4rd3d> its a pain in the cock though
[21:06:47] <Valen> i've had an acer wireless mouse for like 3 years
[21:07:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=594646
[21:07:44] <r00t4rd3d> thats how you fix them
[21:07:56] <r00t4rd3d> check out the tiny ass piece of metal they rely on
[21:08:42] <r00t4rd3d> its a bitch putting that little metal piece back in the switch after you flatten it out some.
[21:08:47] <Tom_itx> jp__
[21:09:16] <jp__> Yo
[21:09:23] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/reprap/nozzle10.jpg
[21:09:41] <Tom_itx> that
[21:09:46] <jp__> ah j-head
[21:09:56] <Tom_itx> no, one i made
[21:10:13] <jp__> Cool im making one too
[21:10:17] <Valen> I would just replace the microswitch as a unit
[21:10:53] <Tom_itx> jp__, you saw the rollers?
[21:10:54] <jp__> https://picasaweb.google.com/103502607515689372041/LinuxcncStuff#5777479768727972658
[21:10:58] <jp__> yep
[21:11:19] <jp__> https://picasaweb.google.com/103502607515689372041/LinuxcncStuff#5777475835253756946
[21:12:09] <Tom_itx> i'm just makin parts right now
[21:12:13] <Tom_itx> no rush to get it done
[21:13:24] <jp__> im just working on my final hotend design
[21:13:41] <jp__> just made 3 blanks in the mill
[21:16:02] <jp__> Tom_itx: what size of filament r u planning on using?
[21:34:22] <Tom_itx> 3mm probably
[21:35:05] <jp__> Direct drive extruder?
[21:35:20] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:35:26] <jp__> nema 17?
[21:35:32] <Tom_itx> probably
[21:35:59] <jp__> I bought a nema 17 from makerbot and was less than impressed
[21:36:25] <Tom_itx> if it doesn't work i'll gear it
[21:36:34] <jp__> direct drive extruders require a bit more torque
[21:37:10] <jp__> I dont know how they are using them unless my expectations are too high
[21:37:12] <Tom_itx> less overall friction though
[21:37:32] <jp__> yes im doing direct drive as well but with a nema 23
[21:37:45] <Tom_itx> http://brainspl.at/mm-pro-xcar-xstrudah/index.html
[21:37:49] <Tom_itx> did you see that one?
[21:37:58] <Tom_itx> there's another one i'm looking at too
[21:38:03] <Tom_itx> i'll make my own
[21:38:07] <jp__> with the nema 23 i could extrude at 60 ipm measured on the cold side
[21:39:52] <jp__> i probably figure out what that means on the hot side as thats probably more than enough
[21:42:03] <jp__> How long of a melt zone did you use? im playing around with about .750" right now.
[21:51:53] <r00t4rd3d> man this book No Easy Day is pretty good
[21:52:03] <r00t4rd3d> im not much of a book reader either
[21:53:21] <r00t4rd3d> the killing of Osama
[21:54:00] <r00t4rd3d> i like how kenya lied his ass off on how it actually went down
[21:58:42] <r00t4rd3d> https://cdn.anonfiles.com/1346800692330.pdf
[22:19:05] <r00t4rd3d> hmm a female cia analyst is the one who tracked osama to abbotabad
[22:19:33] <r00t4rd3d> Before we left, the CIA analyst who
[22:19:33] <r00t4rd3d> was the main force behind tracking the target
[22:19:33] <r00t4rd3d> to Abbottabad said she was one hundred
[22:19:33] <r00t4rd3d> percent certain he was there.
[22:27:32] <Valen> where would i get a set of bevel gears with an OD of around 6mm or less?
