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[00:08:17] <r00t4rd3d> i would go easy and just take off alittle bit at a time
[00:08:29] <r00t4rd3d> is that a dremel ?
[00:09:35] <skorket> yeah, a dremel. It's pretty ghetto right now
[00:09:39] <skorket> I just ordered a spindle
[00:10:15] <skorket> I am taking it easy. MDF for now. Maybe acrylic next. I hope to get to PCBs soon. Just getting a feel for what's possible
[00:10:36] <skorket> oh, you mean for the iron...right
[00:22:28] <r00t4rd3d> the right bit, not a dremel one, always helps too
[00:22:39] <r00t4rd3d> dremel bits are junk
[00:29:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8-125-Solid-Carbide-Router-Bit-CNC-PCB-/170871070117?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c8b59da5
[00:30:36] <r00t4rd3d> those are some of the best bits i own
[00:32:35] <skorket> r00t4rd3d, those can be used on stell?
[00:32:37] <skorket> *steel
[01:05:00] <Loetmichel> skorket: they can be used on anything.
[01:05:26] <skorket> nice
[01:05:49] <Loetmichel> but the "diamond" shape are ground for fibre plastics (glass and carbon)
[01:06:04] <Loetmichel> for wood and metals 2 flute are better
[01:07:16] <Loetmichel> like this ones:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=364&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[01:09:21] <Loetmichel> from let to right: diamond cut, 2 flute, spiral cut drill head, spiral cut normal fishtail, 2 flute, diamond cit with diamond coating (for carbon), normal diamond cut
[01:09:29] <Loetmichel> all are tungsten carbide
[01:10:13] <Loetmichel> and for engraving and PCBs:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8958
[02:12:20] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:14:04] <Jymmm> right on time DJ9DJ
[02:14:06] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:15:36] <DJ9DJ> hi Jymmm :D
[02:15:45] <Jymmm> hola
[02:44:15] <alex_joni> morning Jymmm
[02:44:29] <Jymmm> ug
[02:44:36] <alex_joni> ltns ;)
[02:45:06] <Jymmm> seems that way, I think yu have a different schedule
[03:07:53] <alex_joni> Jymmm: might just be it ;)
[03:08:11] <Jymmm> =)
[03:08:27] <Jymmm> alex_joni:
http://www.gearxs.com/HYPE-Universal-External-Netbook-Notebook-Battery?keyword=hy-2021-lb
[03:09:51] <alex_joni> Jymmm: cool
[03:09:59] <alex_joni> I don't see an HP connector though
[03:10:05] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Limited to 60W
[03:10:17] <Jymmm> which HP?
[03:10:48] <alex_joni> Warning: No Shipping options are available. Please contact us for assistance!
[03:11:00] <Jymmm> bummer
[03:11:14] <alex_joni> http://site.bixnet.com/images/products/CNT-C21C24.jpg
[03:12:25] <Jymmm> L61
[03:18:05] <Jymmm> alex_joni: I think it does actually
[03:38:41] <Jymmm> alex_joni:
http://www.gearxs.com/HYPE-Universal-External-Netbook-Notebook-Battery?keyword=hy-2021-lb
[03:39:18] <Jymmm> alex_joni:
http://vimeo.com/7644020
[04:27:01] <alex_joni> Jymmm: cool
[07:09:26] <r00t4rd3d> I want a Nexus 7
[07:10:08] <r00t4rd3d> who wants to float me 2 hondos
[07:23:19] <jdh> hondo?
[07:25:16] <r00t4rd3d> hundred
[07:31:18] <jdh> I picked up an older samsung 7" a few months ago for <$100. It's easier to read than my phone (4.5") and easier to handle than my big tablet (10")
[07:58:21] <jthornton> anyone know what jog(int, int, [, int[,int]]) in linuxcnc.command is looking for?
[08:16:23] <psha> jthornton: ?
[08:16:33] <jthornton> from the python interface
[08:16:45] <psha> may you be a bit more informative in your question? )
[08:16:47] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/python-interface.html#_tt_linuxcnc_command_tt_methods
[08:16:48] <psha> it's jog command
[08:17:12] <jthornton> so far I've figured out it wants the type of jog first and the axis second
[08:17:13] <psha> that takes axis, mode (stop, incr, cont) speed and len
[08:17:57] <psha> jthornton:
http://psha.org.ru/cgit/psha/cnccutter/tree/cnccutter/hal_jog.py#n42
[08:19:04] <jthornton> ah, ok I was confused looking at the way it is done in emc_interface.py
[08:19:13] <jthornton> self.emccommand.jog(self.emc.JOG_CONTINUOUS, axis, direction * self.jog_velocity)
[08:19:26] <psha> that's right
[08:19:36] <jthornton> so velocity is + for plus movement and - for minus movement?
[08:19:40] <psha> yes
[08:19:46] <jthornton> ok, thank you
[08:24:49] <r00t4rd3d> shift is turbo boost
[08:25:12] <r00t4rd3d> 4 wheel peel
[08:28:19] <jthornton> cool, I got a following error
[08:28:42] * jdh follows jt around the shop
[08:29:11] <jthornton> lol
[08:31:12] <jdh> take the SeaTurtle
[08:32:07] <jdh> <urk>
[10:05:39] <v0idexp> Hi all! People, I need some help with my LinuxCNC configuration... I have a 7i43-4 Mesa card, and I need to configure it for a machine with 3 axes (XYZ) and 2 spindles. All are coming as stepper motors
[10:06:00] <v0idexp> I have already configured the XYZ axes and the mesa card drives them properly
[10:06:20] <v0idexp> what I'm trying to do is to make at least 1 spindle work
[10:07:53] <v0idexp> as for now, I'm "debugging" everything with an oscilloscope, and when I try to rotate the spindle from AXIS, it does not produce any valid signal
[10:10:21] <micges> v0idexp: use pastebin.ca and put there ini and hal file
[10:10:43] <v0idexp> ok
[10:12:44] <v0idexp> here's the hal file
[10:12:46] <v0idexp> http://pastebin.com/qwVQAY0e
[10:13:28] <v0idexp> ini file:
http://pastebin.com/kw4JmJmp
[10:13:51] <v0idexp> screenshot of my PNCConf window where I/O is configured
[10:13:52] <v0idexp> http://postimage.org/image/tvtbp9g65/
[10:16:10] <v0idexp> basically, when I click the rounded arrows in AXIS (which are supposed to rotate spindle), seems that nothing occurs
[10:17:03] <cncbasher_> what is the spindle driver pwm / analog +10v / step - direction
[10:19:14] <micges> it seems step/dir
[10:19:45] <v0idexp> what AXIS looks like:
http://postimage.org/image/vp880ywl7/
[10:21:22] <micges> v0idexp: please also output from 'halcmd show pin' after you enable spindle in Axis
[10:22:05] <r00t4rd3d> $75 -
http://i.imgur.com/qmSwf.jpg
[10:23:36] <v0idexp> is spindle enabled by unchecking "brake" checkbox?
[10:24:12] <micges> no
[10:24:19] <micges> by pressing F9
[10:24:25] <v0idexp> ok, wait a sec please
[10:24:54] <v0idexp> F9 does nothing
[10:25:02] <micges> try in MDI
[10:25:09] <v0idexp> at least I don't see anything on oscilloscope and within AXIS
[10:25:11] <micges> s100 m3
[10:25:42] <v0idexp> still nothing
[10:26:26] <micges> v0idexp: please also output from terminal 'halcmd show pin' after you enable spindle in Axis
[10:27:04] <v0idexp> you want the output of 'halcmd show pin | grep spindle' after issuing s100 m3 in MDI?
[10:27:43] <micges> yes but without grep cmd
[10:28:31] <v0idexp> ok
[10:28:58] <v0idexp> http://pastebin.com/Kq5T83An
[10:28:59] <v0idexp> that is
[10:31:06] <micges> nope
[10:31:14] <micges> spindle is not enabled by gui
[10:32:40] <v0idexp> what this means? it is not properly configured?
[10:33:07] <micges> run halmeter
[10:33:16] <micges> sleect pin motion.spindle-on
[10:33:47] <micges> and when you press F9 you must have it TRUE
[10:35:00] <micges> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_keyboard_controls
[10:35:06] <v0idexp> it does not change
[10:35:09] <v0idexp> stays on FALSE
[10:36:11] <micges> v0idexp: try it on sim configuration
[10:36:42] <v0idexp> basically, guys, i'm trying to do the following. have a stepper drive, want it to rotate in one direction at certain speed until a limit is triggered, and in other situations, making it rotate in opposite direction at different speed until the limit on the other end is triggered. all what is supposed to do is moving a piston
[10:38:25] <micges> it's ok
[10:38:52] <micges> basically you should have TRUE value on that pin to test further
[10:39:42] <micges> if you don't have it after F9 then someting is wrong with config
[10:39:50] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[10:39:55] <v0idexp> when I try to click on "turn-cw" or "turn-ccw" buttons, it ticks the "brake" checkbox and does nothing
[10:40:05] <IchGuckLive> today burningman festival is opening its gates for entry
[10:40:11] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ustream.tv/burningman
[10:40:23] <r00t4rd3d> Walltop:
[10:40:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/hkazI.jpg
[10:41:20] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: lookes like my wall befor my wife cleand up all the boards
[10:41:56] <micges> v0idexp: comment all hal lines with motion.spindle* and then recheck
[10:42:24] <v0idexp> ok
[10:44:21] <v0idexp> commented all that lines
[10:44:27] <v0idexp> spindle disappeared from AXIS at all
[10:44:50] <micges> ok, press F9 and see halmeter
[10:45:20] <v0idexp> http://postimage.org/image/gali5lojr/45f15e03/
[10:45:23] <v0idexp> nothing :(
[10:47:34] <micges> try the same on simulation config
[10:47:41] <micges> sim/axis_mm
[10:48:31] <IchGuckLive> v0idexp: from europ ?
[10:48:36] <v0idexp> yes
[10:48:45] <IchGuckLive> im in Ramstein Germany
[10:48:45] <v0idexp> Italy
[10:48:53] <v0idexp> but coming from soviet russia :D
[10:49:10] <IchGuckLive> what spindle is it
[10:49:14] <v0idexp> well guys, boss ordered me to do other things, hope tomorrow we'll solve the issue... thank you all for your time
[10:49:28] <IchGuckLive> NP
[10:53:50] <IchGuckLive> someone knows if there are Steel Thread Reducer from USA 1/4R or UNC1/2-20 to metric
[10:56:39] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: coupler nut where one end is drilled and (re)tapped?
[10:57:50] <IchGuckLive> let me show a picture
[10:58:11] <IchGuckLive> https://www.google.de/search?num=10&hl=de&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1323&bih=914&q=rampa+muffe&oq=rampa&gs_l=img.3.3.0l10.4048.4953.0.8086.5.5.0.0.0.0.237.874.1j3j1.5.0...0.0...1ac.ymozrtBc1hA
[10:58:25] <IchGuckLive> somthing like that
[10:58:55] <IchGuckLive> http://www.pfahl-verbindungstechnik.de/images/muffeam10185x40vzhb.jpg
[10:59:42] <IchGuckLive> outside i like a 1/4 R , Unf1/2-20 inside metric M6
[10:59:47] <Jymmm> those are threaded inserts
[11:00:01] <IchGuckLive> ah let me search for this
[11:00:46] <Jymmm> There are some for plastic, wood, metal, as the exterior threads size/type change for the material they'll be inserted into.
[11:01:37] <Jymmm> or no thread at all, but knuling used for mold inject, and other types of exterior "forms"
[11:02:16] <IchGuckLive> i got lots of AL Profiles garbige to the provider but usefull to me
[11:02:24] <Jymmm> there is also threaded rivets for use in sheet metal
[11:02:55] <Jymmm> profiles for?
[11:03:36] <IchGuckLive> http://www.minitec.de/assets/web/imagecontainers/19723/20_1033_jpg_web.jpg
[11:04:01] <IchGuckLive> as you see its not a round hole on the outside
[11:04:06] <Jymmm> and the middle is threaded already?
[11:04:25] <IchGuckLive> middel is no factor
[11:04:37] <IchGuckLive> i want to have the 4 outside holes
[11:04:38] <Jymmm> No, that looks like for a self-threading application; where it makes it's own threads
[11:04:55] <Jymmm> as the material is cut-to-length
[11:05:31] <IchGuckLive> agree the unf1/2-20 fits nice and holds very good
[11:05:34] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Have you tried just putting in a screw and letting it "self-tap"?
[11:05:46] <IchGuckLive> yes
[11:05:50] <IchGuckLive> gauging
[11:06:00] <Jymmm> ok, so whats the issue?
[11:06:19] <IchGuckLive> size 12 is to low
[11:06:36] <Jymmm> and 13?
[11:06:36] <Jymmm> or 12.5?
[11:06:39] <IchGuckLive> i need 12,7 as unf 1/2 has
[11:06:56] <Jymmm> what about 12.5?
[11:06:59] <IchGuckLive> i will get me some rampage examples
[11:07:26] <IchGuckLive> https://shop.rampa.com/shop.html
[11:08:12] <Jymmm> wouldn't it just be easier to get some SAE screws?
[11:08:21] <Jymmm> Imperial
[11:08:46] <IchGuckLive> no the chief domt like imperial screws in the shop
[11:08:52] <Jymmm> so?
[11:09:10] <Jymmm> If the bosss is gong to use imperial materials, use imperial screws.
[11:14:30] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: cool, good luck =)
[11:18:04] <IchGuckLive> i cand even get a bold unf 1/2-20 here maybe there are tons of this on the Airbase nearby
[11:18:44] <Jymmm> Really? We can get imperial and metric easily in the US
[11:19:08] <Jymmm> ss and titanium is harder to locate =)
[11:19:14] <IchGuckLive> maybe here 2 i need to find the suplier
[11:19:15] <Tom_itx> Jymmm how much is your ss gonna cost you?
[11:19:16] <Jymmm> but still doable.
[11:19:25] <Tom_itx> is $2 / lb expensive?
[11:19:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: in bolts?
[11:19:42] <Tom_itx> in SS
[11:19:47] <Jymmm> ss bolts?
[11:19:52] <Tom_itx> raw material
[11:19:54] <IchGuckLive> im off by till later
[11:20:24] <Tom_itx> i picked up some 303 from the scrap today
[11:20:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Depends on if I get a master roll myself
[11:20:34] <Tom_itx> bar
[11:20:51] <Jymmm> oh, no clue. I'm looking at sheet.
[11:21:18] <Jymmm> and I'm scared to look at titanium =)
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[11:21:52] <Jymmm> lol
[11:22:12] <Tom_itx> be afraid.... be very afraid
[11:22:27] <Tom_itx> i got a small sheet of that years ago from boeing surplus
[11:22:32] <Tom_itx> i forget what it was
[11:23:17] <Jymmm> Well, just one roll of SS should last around 10+ years. but if I use it all in 1 year, that would be awesome!!!
[11:24:06] <Jymmm> 10 rolls in one year, I think I'd be set for life =)
[11:24:30] <Jymmm> at least comfortable
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[11:55:04] <tjb1> Got the steel boys
[11:55:19] <Jymmm> Got Clamps?
[12:00:01] <tjb1> We got c clamps
[12:00:36] <tjb1> Gonna cut it all tonight and maybe play with the tig some
[12:00:49] <Jymmm> cool
[12:10:41] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[13:20:28] <IchGuckLive> still no action at the burningman
[13:23:34] <Jymmm> never will be during the day time
[13:23:46] <IchGuckLive> all sleeping
[13:23:54] <IchGuckLive> alot of bicycles
[13:25:28] <IchGuckLive> hope the stream stays up to nighttime
[13:25:42] <IchGuckLive> and the cam can get good shots
[13:27:16] <Jymmm> http://www.intellicast.com/Local/Weather.aspx?location=USNV0033
[13:28:22] <Jymmm> high of 93F today there
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.6516223&lon=-119.35676769999998&site=all&smap=1&searchresult=Gerlach%2C%20NV%2C%20USA
[13:28:46] <Jymmm> and storms tonight
[13:29:44] <IchGuckLive> at your location Jymmm
[13:29:53] <IchGuckLive> or in black rock city
[13:29:55] <Jymmm> No, Burning Man location
[13:30:08] <IchGuckLive> so dust till dawn O.O
[13:30:40] <andypugh> I think I will go to Geek Camp this weekend.
[13:31:03] <andypugh> (www.emfcamp.org)
[13:31:22] <andypugh> I can always come home if it's rubbish, albeit £100 poorer.
[13:31:51] <Jymmm> Dont do something freakish, like ride a bicycle to there =)
[13:32:13] <Jymmm> Unless it's a geek bike that flies, or solar powered
[13:32:41] <andypugh> I think I would be taking my R1.
[13:33:09] <Jymmm> R1 is what?
[13:33:24] <andypugh> I think the only geekish thing abot that is the Lemo connector on the top yoke for 12V / 5V power.
[13:33:39] <andypugh> YZF-R1
[13:34:00] <Jymmm> Oh, that's ok =)
[13:34:39] <Jymmm> other than being a crotch rocket; I like touring bikes
[13:34:56] <Jymmm> full dress, etc
[13:35:04] <andypugh> Eww no!
[13:35:33] <Jymmm> But I'll do a couple hundred miles on it; try that on a crotch rocket
[13:35:39] <andypugh> The R1 is comfortable for as long as a tank of petrol lasts. (170 miles) I don't see much point in any more.
[13:36:02] <jthornton> yea, gui6 jogs!
[13:36:12] <andypugh> I have done 400 miles in a day on the R1.
[13:36:29] <Jymmm> andypugh: and back in a sling the following day?
[13:36:42] <andypugh> No. Have you ever ridden one?
[13:36:58] <andypugh> The only bit that hurts is your wrists if you don't go fast enough.
[13:37:12] <Jymmm> Not a R1, no. Other crotch rockets, but not comfortably
[13:37:35] <Jymmm> why would your wrists hurt?
[13:39:05] <andypugh> About half your body weight is on your wrists. This is good for weight distribution and grip.
[13:39:18] <Jymmm> Ah, ok
[13:41:07] <Jymmm> I got over my need for speed a long time ago, now the first accessory I add is a throttle lock =)
[13:41:36] <andypugh> I live in a country where the road layout was designed by cows. We have corners.
[13:42:17] <Jymmm> hahaha, yeah we have "Hwy 9" for that, hang on...
[13:44:25] <Jymmm> andypugh: Doesn't look like much at a distance, but lots of curves, can hit Hwy 35, or even hit the beach if you like...
http://goo.gl/maps/gjGZ5
[13:44:51] <Jymmm> There are a few hangouts too at the end of your ride.
[13:45:15] <Jymmm> usually 30 to 100 riders on any weekend
[13:45:15] <andypugh> That looks entertaining, yes.
[13:45:26] <andypugh> Eww! I hate bikers :-)
[13:45:38] <Jymmm> lol
[13:45:47] * Guest70203 Is there any possibility to figure out the status of G and M codes from a G-code program? Where those parameters are stored?
[13:46:08] <andypugh> You want G-code introspection?
[13:48:51] * Guest70203 Maybe ;) I want to examine the for instance if inch or mm is set (G20 or G21) and depending on that choose different action...
[13:49:27] <andypugh> Bear with me..
[13:51:12] <andypugh> OK, it isn't in 2.5, but in Master you can use #<_metric> and #<_imperial> for that. More here:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.devel/4122
[13:52:51] <Jymmm> andypugh: This is where I used to ride, and in National Forest area too =)
http://goo.gl/maps/XE0Iz
[13:53:25] <andypugh> I mainy ride to work.
[13:54:05] <andypugh> Anyone (PCW?) know anything about big DC servos?
[13:54:07] <Jymmm> andypugh: Ah. A friend got me started. He wold put on 25K+ a year
[13:54:49] <Jymmm> ^miles
[13:55:04] <andypugh> I do about 10k a year. The R1 has 85,000 miles on it.
[13:55:09] * Guest70203 Many thanks Andy, googling for "G-code introspection" gave me the same...
[13:55:43] <Jymmm> andypugh: WOW, that's a LOT of miles for a bike. rebuilt it a few times?
[13:56:39] <andypugh> No, it still runs sweet as a nut, burns no oil, and laps race tracks as fast as I can.
[13:57:06] <Tom_itx> change oil regular etc will make them live long
[13:57:15] <Tom_itx> just common sense
[13:57:51] <Jymmm> What do they alwasy say, it's not a Harley if it's not pissing (oil) all over the place =)
[13:57:51] <andypugh> It's designed to make 180hp, but the vast majority of the time it is probably making 40hp as I drone along at 80mph
[13:57:51] <Tom_itx> unless there's something inherently wrong with the engine design
[13:58:27] <Tom_itx> Jymmm or brittish
[13:58:42] <Tom_itx> or italian for that matter
[13:58:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: =)
[13:59:14] <andypugh> A chap I know has a servo rated at 8-30V DC, 45-200A. (62 lb-ft torque). Any ideas how to drive it?
[13:59:22] <Jymmm> I would love an Indian
[13:59:24] <andypugh> brushed-DC
[13:59:25] <Tom_itx> we had 'Continental Motors' here that sold british cars and under each one there was a pan
[14:17:18] <L84Supper> andypugh, there are several servo drives available, but the 8-30VDC is odd
[14:17:33] <andypugh> 200A is a lot too.
[14:17:44] <andypugh> He as heard that it actually runs on 150V
[14:18:07] <L84Supper> that sounds more like it
[14:18:39] <L84Supper> we use servos that size for extruders and printing equipment
[14:19:09] <L84Supper> paper slitters, winders etc
[14:20:44] <andypugh> This is the spindle motor of a Hardinge lathe
[14:23:27] <andypugh> (Hardinge HXL to be exact)
[14:24:23] <L84Supper> heh, just as you posted that, Hardinge sent me an email about IMTS with a list of their new CNC lathes
[14:27:10] <Jymmm> L84Supper: yo
[14:28:53] <L84Supper> Jymmm, hey dere
[14:30:53] <Jymmm> L84Supper: did you get two tips that you can't even use with the battery?
[14:31:03] <Jymmm> iphone/mini usb
[14:31:40] <L84Supper> there were a bunch in the box, everything I needed was there
[14:39:38] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/226475
[15:08:07] <skunkworks__> jthornton_: very cool!!
[15:08:32] <jthornton> skunkworks__, thanks
[15:10:00] <skunkworks__> our servos have a peak current rating of 82 amps..
[15:10:19] <skunkworks__> 150v = 1200rpm
[15:10:47] <skunkworks__> we are running them at a peak of 40a which is 40ft-lbs.
[15:10:54] <jthornton> the gui is installed and runs from an ini file with a desktop launcher
[15:11:10] <skunkworks__> wow - that is impressive.
[15:12:19] <jthornton> once you figure out all the little secret code and secret hand shakes it is possible... not easy but possible
[15:15:02] <jthornton> wow I just figured out how to preset a value in the slider adjustment :)
[15:15:42] <skunkworks__> andypugh:
http://www.a-m-c.com/download/datasheet/ab250a060.pdf
[15:18:29] <skunkworks__> they have a few around that range
[15:30:24] <IchGuckLive> hi all on request a issue fixing for some heekscnc issue ->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtymMSJy8AA
[15:30:49] <IchGuckLive> i made another tutorial some maybe are not reading the options
[15:31:55] <IchGuckLive> ok have a good night its late here in germany i go to bed By
[16:10:44] <andypugh> skunkworks__: Looks nice, but brushless
[16:15:36] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:19:20] <skunkworks__> andypugh: oh
[16:20:38] <skunkworks__> andypugh: how about
http://www.a-m-c.com/download/datasheet/avb250a060.pdf
[16:24:52] <archivist> that is brushless too... its the same datasheet
[16:25:44] <skunkworks__> andypugh: Drive Brushed or Brushless Motors
[16:25:47] <skunkworks__> right
[16:26:05] <skunkworks__> most of the amc drives I have used that drive brushless - do brushed.
[16:26:15] <skunkworks__> well - all that I have used
[16:26:29] <skunkworks__> not to say all of their drives do both
[16:45:15] <andypugh> I found:
http://www.4qd.co.uk/prod/4qd.html
[16:45:21] <andypugh> Which is rather a lot cheaper
[16:49:59] <skunkworks__> neat
[16:51:50] <andypugh> .
[16:51:50] <andypugh>
[17:25:08] <jthornton> so the postgui file is not automagiclly run...
[17:35:37] * JT-Shop wonders how the GUI handles the postgui file?
[17:37:12] <andypugh> I think that currently the GUI needs to call/run the Postgui. I think changing that was one of mhaberler's ideas for improvement.
[17:38:00] <mhaberler> currently guis need to look at the inifile POSTGUI_HALFILE setting and run that in the gui
[17:38:14] <JT-Shop> ok, thanks
[17:38:27] <mhaberler> the reason is simply that linuxcnc starts everything and then waits for the gui to finish then shuts down
[17:38:40] <JT-Shop> use the ini reader to search for POSTGUI_SOMETHING
[17:38:46] <mhaberler> right
[17:38:54] <JT-Shop> ok
[17:39:19] <JT-Shop> I think I can ferret that out of Axis or Touchy
[17:39:58] <mhaberler> all GUIs should have a well know halcomp, and linuxcnc should just start the gui in the background, wait for the gui halcomp to appear, then do the POSTGUI stuff, then wait for the gui halcomp to disappeat
[17:40:26] <mhaberler> ii think both touchy and axis understand POSTGUI_HALFILE
[17:41:03] <mhaberler> oj, I see. linuxcnc really needs fixing.. I ran out of steam after our little halcmd success..
[17:41:07] <JT-Shop> I think they do too
[17:41:29] <JT-Shop> I'm still working on the example for the manual...
[17:42:35] <JT-Shop> I was guite happy to get halshow.tcl to work with my GUI so I can see pins and stuff
[17:43:35] <JT-Shop> be back in a bit
[17:44:05] <r00t4rd3d> thx for the warning
[17:45:27] <r00t4rd3d> This guy wants me to make a fireplace mantel.
[17:46:37] <r00t4rd3d> out of an expensive pieve of oak that he only has one of
[17:46:42] <r00t4rd3d> piece*
[17:48:23] <r00t4rd3d> and i have to match the flower patten inlays in the existing trim
[17:48:32] <r00t4rd3d> pattern*
[17:49:41] <ssi> it's a trap!
[17:50:00] <r00t4rd3d> i know
[17:50:33] <r00t4rd3d> but he said he got a quote from "a guy in california" for $6,500 and wants to know if I could beat that price :/
[17:50:55] <ssi> I bid a lathe job for a guy that I have done some work for in the past, and he passed on my bid because he found a place in mexico that can do it for less than I can buy the metal :/
[17:54:25] <r00t4rd3d> I think i am going to turn the job down. I asked to see a picture of the flower pattern and I imagine its going to be some crazy ass shit.
[17:57:28] <r00t4rd3d> My pussy is too new to be stretched over that kinda money.
[17:57:52] <ssi> that's probably wise
[17:58:53] <r00t4rd3d> I live in the woods and I dont even know where to get a large piece of oak if I had to replace his.
[17:59:02] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Not hard to make a test piece out of cheap wood to test.
[17:59:10] <ssi> r00t4rd3d: in the woods, probably
[17:59:32] <r00t4rd3d> andypugh, i cut even stupid shit in a scrap test run first.
[18:00:01] <andypugh> Quite. Then you send him the test piece.
[18:00:02] <r00t4rd3d> i like to use the same material kinda though
[18:00:24] <andypugh> You could use any old oak, it's not _that_ expensive
[18:00:48] <r00t4rd3d> he has more of a plank i guess from what i gather
[18:06:00] <r00t4rd3d> thats another issue of mine. Only hardwood i can get is at lowes and it comes in plywood form
[18:07:14] <r00t4rd3d> closest place i can find is like 50 miles away
[18:07:51] <andypugh> No trees locally?
[18:08:15] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, tons
[18:08:26] <ssi> what, you're not into DIY sawmilling?
[18:08:30] <r00t4rd3d> no
[18:09:01] <r00t4rd3d> though i would cut down a mahogany tree if i even seen one
[18:09:06] <r00t4rd3d> not that i know what one looks like
[18:09:21] <ssi> :D
[18:10:37] <r00t4rd3d> there is lots of maple and oak trees around me but I have really no way to process them other then a chain saw
[18:14:30] <ssi> I've seen some neat fixtures that turn a chainsaw into a sawmill
[18:17:32] <r00t4rd3d> I might go burl hunting in the morning
[18:18:30] <r00t4rd3d> me and lucky
[18:21:07] <jdh> my lowes has red oak
[18:22:10] <jdh> speaking of ninny
[18:22:27] <r00t4rd3d> ninny?
[18:23:06] <jdh> <wrong channel> different ninny.
[18:23:17] <r00t4rd3d> different?
[18:23:48] <jdh> mine has oak stair treads, maybe 12" wide
[18:23:56] <r00t4rd3d> yeah so does mine
[18:24:00] <jdh> than the unmentioned ninny hre
[18:24:51] <andypugh> Portable sawmill making the beams and planks for my parent's house:
http://www.bodgesoc.org/wood2.jpg
[18:25:07] <andypugh> Trees go in, wood comes out.
[18:25:16] <andypugh> 275 cubic feet, IIRC.
[18:26:03] <andypugh> Itg added up to a roomfull of wood, anyway:
http://www.bodgesoc.org/wood.jpg
[18:26:57] <r00t4rd3d> what kinda wood was it?
[18:27:03] <r00t4rd3d> uk pine?
[18:27:05] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[18:27:08] <andypugh> Local oak
[18:27:34] <andypugh> English oak seems different from american oak
[18:27:34] <r00t4rd3d> has anyone ever seen a mahogany tree?
[18:27:42] <andypugh> On TV. Huge, and rare
[18:27:42] <r00t4rd3d> better or worse?
[18:28:18] <andypugh> english oak is less straight. More swirliness and pattern.
[18:28:30] <andypugh> But harder to get long, straight, beams.
[18:28:59] <mozmck> american oak? which variety?
[18:29:13] <mozmck> There are a bunch of them.
[18:29:17] <andypugh> Well, yes. it isn't all that simple.
[18:30:03] <andypugh> I like this photo. 500 year old truss and brand-new dividing wall. All oak.
http://www.bodgesoc.org/studs.jpg
[18:30:41] <mozmck> :) kinda like stuff like brazilian rosewood being rare. I've heard from people who lived there that is a common tree.
[18:31:01] <mozmck> nice!
[18:31:44] <ssi> yeah I think for things like rosewood, "rare" is code for "stop cutting them all down for import"
[18:32:06] <andypugh> Took a lot longer than pine and nails. Dressed with an adze, mortice and tenon, and pegged.
[18:32:35] <andypugh> Took a week rather than an hour.
[18:32:58] <mozmck> It's nice though to keep things the same as original
[18:33:48] <andypugh> Have you seen the horror pic?
http://www.bodgesoc.org/truss2.jpg
[18:34:21] <andypugh> I need to re-scan all the photos. That is a 19k2 modem website from the mid 90s
[18:34:43] * theorbtwo wonders who thinks "oh, there's a big-ass piece of wood there... I bet that's not really doing anything important".
[18:34:47] <mozmck> no, what's the horror? image quality? or large beam cut for doorway?
[18:35:28] <andypugh> Whole truss cut through. Guess what the roofing material is?
[18:37:00] <mozmck> straw? tile?
[18:37:11] <jdh> lsate
[18:37:15] <jdh> or slate maybe
[18:37:47] <andypugh> 50 tons of sandstone:
http://www.bodgesoc.org/Slaithwaite2/Front.JPG
[18:38:10] <mozmck> wow!
[18:38:13] <jdh> what holds it in place?
[18:38:36] <mozmck> cut trusses!
[18:38:37] <andypugh> Now does cutting out all the cross-beam and 90% of the principle rafter seem sensible?
[18:39:27] <andypugh> jdh: There is a hole in the top of each one and a wooden peg. They hang from laths.
http://www.bodgesoc.org/roof2.jpg
[18:39:32] <mozmck> I suppose if you're smoking the right stuff it would.
[18:40:01] <andypugh> We cheated, and used aluminium pegs.
[18:40:47] <mozmck> Was the dog much help?
[18:40:56] <andypugh> None at all, oddly.
[18:42:23] <JT-Shop> so you still use tar paper under the lath and stone?
[19:05:02] <jthornton> here is a clue res = os.spawnvp(os.P_WAIT, "halcmd", ["halcmd", "-i",inifile,"-f", postgui_halfile])
[19:06:11] <Jymmm> thats just ugly whatever it is
[19:08:00] <andypugh> JT-Shop: We actually have 3" of polystyrene, then T&G boarding, then roofing felt, vertical battens, more roofing felt, then the laths.
[19:09:00] <jthornton> wow
[19:09:08] <Jymmm> then the stones on top of the laths?
[19:09:12] <andypugh> Yes
[19:09:27] <andypugh> We built to last.
[19:09:35] <Jymmm> and 50ton doesn't fall in why?
[19:10:25] <Jymmm> so the laths act as a water drain?
[19:11:31] <andypugh> Jymmm: The main roof structure is 10x10 oak purlins and 5x3" oak rafters:
http://www.bodgesoc.org/Slaithwaite2/Hall3.JPG
[19:11:49] <Jymmm> ah
[19:14:09] <Jymmm> andypugh: I see the laths are going horizontal, is that just to let the stone flex as it wants to?
[19:14:38] <andypugh> The slates just hang.
[19:15:03] <andypugh> They hook over the laths rather than being nailed to them. They won't blow away
[19:15:26] <Jymmm> ah
[19:15:49] <Jymmm> and this all cost what now?
[19:17:31] <andypugh> Not that much. My dad has never been well off. But he is good at finding good prices.
[19:18:00] <Jymmm> Still, I want to know what a 50 TON Rood goes for these days =)
[19:18:43] <andypugh> We spent 20 years on the project, and in that time he never earned more than 25k. I would guess that purchase price plus materials was 120k-ish.
[19:19:11] <Jymmm> pounds?
[19:19:30] <Jymmm> or USD ?
[19:20:45] <Jymmm> Is this the finished pic? Looks very nice
http://www.bodgesoc.org/Slaithwaite2/Front.JPG
[19:21:30] <andypugh> Gray slates run about £200 a ton, I think. But we had most of the old roof so just needed to top up.
[19:21:43] <andypugh> They are readily avaiable:
http://www.stoneslate.com/OldStoneSlates.htm
[19:22:24] <Jymmm> stacked like that look like thin headstones
[19:23:55] <andypugh> There are fences around where I was brought up made that way. They look even more headtsone-y
[19:26:30] <ries> Hey guys, when I start setsmi, then up-on restart of linuxcnc, I don't get any signals anymore to my control board. Anybody happen to know this issue?
[19:28:19] <andypugh> ries: I don't even understand the question.
[19:29:20] <ries> andypugh: with setsmi you can turn of the system management interrupts… After I set the smi, my latency is much better. However, after starting linuxcnc I don't see any pulses anymore on the parallel port
[19:30:16] <andypugh> I have not heard of "setsmi" before. I know about loading the rtai_smi kernel module. Is that the same thing>?
[19:30:38] <ries> yup… setsmi is just a little shellscript that does the work
[19:31:12] <andypugh> Do you get the same result doing it the old-fashioned way?
[19:31:13] <ries> it's located in /usr/realtime/bin
[19:31:55] <andypugh> SMI isn't just something Intel did to annoy us. It does have a use, and disabling it has side-effects
[19:31:59] <ries> good question… what is the old fashioned way? I always used setsmi
[19:32:14] <andypugh> You add a line to rtapi.conf
[19:32:25] <ries> andypugh: It's the side effect I need, unfortunatly… without it I get large latencies
[19:32:50] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FixingSMIIssues
[19:33:44] <ries> andypugh: going to read that, may be I missed something...
[21:26:57] <tjb1> What gauge material is common on water tables?
[21:27:40] <ReadError> water.
[21:27:45] <ReadError> jk sorry
[21:29:14] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/Q7hwe.jpg
[21:29:54] <r00t4rd3d> China....
[21:29:59] <tjb1> Oh and JT-Shop / jthornton the square tubing is ASTM A500
[21:36:12] <r00t4rd3d> i dont like google getting involved with politics
[21:36:44] <tjb1> Tuesday I will have my stepper motors and g540 driver :D
[21:36:48] <tjb1> Time to play with Linuxcnc
[21:37:22] <r00t4rd3d> linuxcnc is the east part
[21:37:27] <r00t4rd3d> easy*
[21:37:49] <r00t4rd3d> cad/cam is the bitch
[21:38:23] <tjb1> I may have to manual program for a while
[21:38:27] <tjb1> I can't afford sheetcam
[21:39:05] <tjb1> Well sheet cam will do 180 lines
[21:39:26] <tjb1> That note isn't in the linux version so wonder if linux version is free?
[21:40:48] <mozmck> There is a free linux version...
[21:42:43] <mozmck> Les Newell - the author of sheetcam - is on the linuxcnc development mailing list...
[21:46:23] <tjb1> SO the linux version on the site is free?
[21:46:26] <tjb1> no limits?
