#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-08-26

[02:07:18] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:49:26] <awallin> anyone done electronic circuit simulations on linux? I just learned about Qucs, but I can't find IC555 which I'd like to simulate. Also there seems to be LT Spice that people run under WINE. Anything else?
[03:52:56] <archivist> have you seen http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/#portfolio
[03:53:33] <archivist> do you mean the NE555 as in the timer?
[04:02:05] <awallin> archivist: yes
[04:02:55] <awallin> cool I did not know fedora was so into electronics design
[04:03:03] <awallin> they must have some big-name paying customers?
[06:33:30] <awallin> in the news: usa shipping containers with rapid-prototyping equipment to war-zones.... anyone seen pics of the insides of these?
[06:36:12] <awallin> I'd like a 40foot container workshop outside my house :)
[06:36:12] <awallin> 4-axis Roland MDX-40 for sale for 5 keur... http://www.nettimarkkina.com/roland-mdx-40-cnc-jyrsin/1043238
[06:36:50] <andypugh> I am very tempted to go to this next weekend. Anyone else? https://www.emfcamp.org
[06:39:18] <Jymmm> andypugh: Sound like http://makerfaire.com/newyork/2012/index.html
[06:39:21] <r00t4rd3d> too far away
[06:40:06] <r00t4rd3d> well the one in NY isnt
[06:42:45] <andypugh> I imagi9ne that the UK one will be a bit like the NY one, but more chaotic and amateur.
[06:42:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: What, no belt sander races?
[06:42:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: no cordless drill racing?
[06:42:45] <andypugh> No idea.
[06:42:45] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmVpvr-a4uQ
[06:42:45] <andypugh> But, if I am going to go anywhere I need to get my bike a bit more structurally sound, it currently uses far too much gaffer tape.
[06:42:51] <r00t4rd3d> first time i have ever seen ticket prices then a fee
[06:42:59] <r00t4rd3d> http://makerfairenyc.eventbrite.com/
[06:43:32] <r00t4rd3d> why not just include the fee in the damn ticket price?
[06:43:33] <andypugh> I gues that is th ticket agent commisions.
[06:43:34] <awallin> huh? what's the difference between price and fee?
[06:44:09] <r00t4rd3d> about 2 bucks
[06:46:26] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z8dFlVNrY8&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[07:03:17] <r00t4rd3d> http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
[08:16:38] <MattyMatt> £95 for camping? it was £3.50 a tent last time I went
[08:17:29] <MattyMatt> are Hawkwind playing?
[08:18:13] * MattyMatt thinks set-aside subsidy is quite enough for farmers tyvm
[08:19:22] * MattyMatt organises MakerFaire Sahara. aka Sunburnt Man Festival
[08:21:05] <MattyMatt> loverly tickets, come and get yer loverly tickets
[08:21:39] <Jymmm> s/Sunburnt/dead/
[08:22:06] <Jymmm> DMF! DMF! DMF!
[08:22:36] <Jymmm> MattyMatt's Dead Man Festival!
[08:22:52] <Jymmm> 2012
[08:23:22] <Jymmm> Heh, I even have a logo in mind for it already
[08:26:44] * MattyMatt negotiate sunblock concession
[08:28:31] * Jymmm offers free ice cream and spray on sunblock to the nakid chicks
[08:29:19] <MattyMatt> no nekkid, this is almost certainly a muslim country
[08:30:11] <Jymmm> Venue change to clothing optional area
[08:30:42] <MattyMatt> I can only afford a patch of sahara
[08:31:01] <MattyMatt> it's a feature to the solar energy exhibitors
[08:31:22] <Jymmm> Mojave Desert
[08:31:41] <MattyMatt> hard to rent a camel
[08:31:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://style-files.com/2008/06/27/885/
[08:31:56] <Jymmm> Solar Camel?
[08:33:02] <MattyMatt> ah what do I care if you can afford to get there, after I've banked the ticket money
[08:34:34] <MattyMatt> r00t4rd3d, why? why not just get a real woodpile. cheaper and burns longer
[08:34:37] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[08:35:08] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: Loetmichel said he's gonna come hunt you down!
[08:35:56] <MattyMatt> what did I do?
[08:36:04] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: Free Hijab with every ticket?
[08:36:47] <MattyMatt> no, I negotiated that concession too. you can burchase one at the gate
[08:37:04] <MattyMatt> I employed the religious police as salesmen
[08:37:05] <Loetmichel> MattyMatt: the table: a pile of wood would be MUCH heavier, hosts eventualley some 6 or 8 legged houseguests AND isnt cheaper
[08:37:20] <Loetmichel> ... and you have no hidden storage ;-)
[08:37:29] <Jymmm> BURN IT DOWN TO THE GROUND!
[08:38:10] <MattyMatt> the last thing I made with a box like that was a privy
[08:38:22] <Loetmichel> privy`?
[08:38:28] <MattyMatt> earth closet
[08:38:45] <MattyMatt> long drop toilet
[08:39:43] <Jymmm> I wonder how long it lasts per battery charge? I'll rent them at MattyMatt's event instead of his hag camels that spit at you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z8dFlVNrY8&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[08:40:57] <MattyMatt> are they BLDC in those drills?
[08:41:49] <MattyMatt> I'm getting tired of motor brushes
[08:43:02] <r00t4rd3d> switch to brushless
[08:44:10] <Loetmichel> brushed
[08:44:27] <MattyMatt> I have a BLDC drill/driver cooking in my head already. reprap printable. variable speed trigger etc
[08:50:02] <MattyMatt> meh. my little lathe's replacement headstock makes the bed gap unusable. I gotta hope this 4th axis faceplate is milled round
[08:50:29] <MattyMatt> I can mill the edges once it's assembled and running I guess
[08:54:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.smallwind.co.uk/index.php
[09:02:43] <jthornton> anyone know what this means? USRMOT: ERROR: command timeout
[09:03:55] <andypugh> MattyMatt: Some cordless drill are brushless, but most aren't
[09:05:00] <andypugh> http://toolguyd.com/buy-a-cordless-drill-now-or-wait-for-brushless/
[09:07:48] <r00t4rd3d> suicide ring:
[09:07:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/XzJpg.jpg
[09:08:58] <andypugh> I suspect it would blow the fuse harmlessly
[09:09:06] <jthornton> finally my stripped down ini and gui loads
[09:11:15] <mrsun> andypugh, that ring is not made of metal is it? :P
[09:11:31] <mrsun> r00t4rd3d,
[09:11:32] <mrsun> even
[09:12:15] <taiden> r00t4rd3d; what are your latency numbers on your 'unmodded' d525?
[09:12:54] <r00t4rd3d> never checked
[09:14:48] <r00t4rd3d> everyone said it just worked so I didnt bother with that stuff
[09:15:02] <taiden> how did you set up stepconf without checking latency?
[09:15:03] <jthornton> hmm a new one when I press the e-stop emc/task/emctaskmain.cc 2781: can't initialize motion
[09:15:14] <r00t4rd3d> i left those settings as is
[09:16:47] <r00t4rd3d> and it worked so i didnt mess with it
[09:20:37] <r00t4rd3d> i left the "Base Period Max Jitter" at 15k
[09:38:01] <anonimas2> wonderful someone gave me wrong drawings, wrong spec, and out of tolerance cut parts.
[09:40:21] <Tom_itx> charge them
[09:49:01] <anonimas2> worse part is that as usual they need them as soon as possible.. not a problem simple parts, but they are watercrap cut, so they wont fit a fixture due to random kerf all over..
[09:53:04] <jthornton> how can I limit a 700 watt electric heater to 300 or so watts?
[09:53:49] <mrsun> pwm ?
[09:54:14] <jthornton> how can I incorporate that into the heater?
[09:54:44] <jthornton> it has to be invisible to the user as she leaves the heater on 24/7 with the window open
[09:55:28] <taiden> make an inline box that has a pwm circuit
[09:55:48] <taiden> and have her use that to control power
[09:55:56] <taiden> alternately
[09:56:01] <jthornton> there is some room under the cover but how do you make a pwm circuit?
[09:56:10] <bpuk> we use a box at work that does exactly that - it has 1 3 pin IC and a pot in... and I'm trying to remember the part number (shifts the phase angle from memory)
[09:56:12] <taiden> you could buy a cheap PID controller
[09:56:20] <taiden> and use that to control the heat directly
[09:56:22] <taiden> with PID logic
[09:56:30] <taiden> ebay sells some decent chinese ones for about $25
[09:56:31] <jthornton> I've all ready disconnected the 900 watt element and she still turns both on
[09:56:41] <taiden> you can't fix stupid
[09:56:53] <taiden> PID/PMW can't either
[09:56:54] <jthornton> she is 85 not stupid
[09:57:05] <taiden> what about a big arrow that says
[09:57:08] <taiden> 'dont turn this on"
[09:57:18] <jthornton> won't work with old people
[09:57:22] <Tom_itx> get a preset thermostat for it
[09:57:54] <taiden> alright then PWM/PID controller
[09:57:57] <taiden> :]
[09:58:36] <taiden> is it 120v?
[09:58:49] <jthornton> Tom_itx, that's a good idea, take a thermostat off of another heater and put it under the cover and leave the original one for her to twiddle with
[09:58:50] <bpuk> ah-ha - it's an SCR I was thinking of - somewhat less complex than a PID controller
[09:58:52] <jthornton> yes
[09:59:19] <jthornton> but disconnect the original thermostat
[09:59:21] <taiden> yeah you could have PID controller with a 25a 120v SSR
[09:59:29] <taiden> parts only for about $40
[09:59:35] <Tom_itx> that would give her a preset limit below what she thinks she's getting
[09:59:55] <taiden> but Tom_itx's idea is really better
[10:00:11] <jthornton> I don't think that 'thinking' is in the equation any more very often
[10:00:51] <taiden> if you had the thermostats wired in seires the preset one would limit
[10:00:55] <taiden> and the other one would still work
[10:00:57] <taiden> for lower temps
[10:01:14] <jthornton> easier to just set it low and forget it
[10:01:34] <Tom_itx> make sure the tip over part stays in tact
[10:01:38] <taiden> is this a neighbor?
[10:01:43] <jthornton> MIL
[10:01:55] <jthornton> it's an oil filled heater
[10:03:44] <Tom_itx> oh
[10:03:48] <Tom_itx> better yet
[10:06:19] <jthornton> thanks for the ideas
[10:09:10] <MattyMatt> or nail the window shut
[10:09:32] <MattyMatt> call it burglar-proofing
[10:12:25] <MattyMatt> time switch sounds effective, so it's turned off at night at least
[10:14:11] <MattyMatt> I've got a pile of the old clock type with pins. too dumb for any use for myself but for regulating eldsters they'd be ideal
[10:51:43] <ries> archivist: I used a kernel with RTAI 3.8 in the end.. all patches for Debian where available, so it was fairly easy to compile in the end.. Now compiling emc2 from git (2.4.6)
[11:01:23] <ReadError_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYvq75OI5A&feature=related
[11:01:28] <ReadError_> holy cow that guy is pro
[11:03:03] <Loetmichel> who the fu** is hank hill?
[11:03:16] <ReadError_> 0_0
[11:05:36] <ReadError_> hank hill is AMERICA
[11:15:13] <taiden> ReadError_
[11:15:29] <taiden> can you help me out with the isocpules mod?
[11:15:37] <taiden> it seems like it might be a necessity afterall...
[11:15:58] <ReadError_> yes
[11:16:17] <taiden> alright so
[11:17:14] <ReadError_> did you wget the file?
[11:18:01] <taiden> last time i did it
[11:18:08] <taiden> oh
[11:18:09] <taiden> i actually
[11:18:14] <taiden> saved it from firefox instead of wget
[11:18:18] <taiden> wget is probably a much better idea
[11:18:34] <ReadError_> ya
[11:18:38] <ReadError_> fire up a terminal
[11:18:44] <ReadError_> just su -
[11:18:47] <ReadError_> be easier as root...
[11:19:05] <ReadError_> wget http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/07_rtai
[11:19:18] <ReadError_> cp 07_rtai /etc/grub.d
[11:19:20] <taiden> alright im going to head downstairs to the cncpc and get moving
[11:19:27] <ReadError_> chmod +x /etc/grub.d/07_rtai
[11:19:36] <taiden> brb
[11:19:36] <ReadError_> update-grub
[11:19:39] <ReadError_> k
[12:01:48] <taiden> got side tracked
[12:01:51] <taiden> heading down there now
[12:16:53] <skunkworks__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwega6qbDes
[12:25:27] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:26:56] <andypugh> skunkworks__: He hasn't got realtime working yet though, regardless of the video title.
[12:27:34] <skunkworks__> right - I think that was misleading
[12:28:08] <skunkworks__> Hi andypugh
[12:28:23] <andypugh> To be fair, he is trying.
[12:28:56] <IchGuckLive> gas price will be rising in the USA as the TC is nearing the Golfcost
[12:29:03] <IchGuckLive> http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/TC.html
[12:29:15] <Tom_itx> yeah yeah
[12:29:31] <Tom_itx> plant in Ca blew up couple weeks ago an they went up
[12:29:39] <Tom_itx> they'll use any excuse to raise prices
[12:30:10] <IchGuckLive> Venezuela oil refine went off 2 last night
[12:30:51] <Tom_itx> we plug our wells and get most of ours from 3rd world countries we envade
[12:30:58] <Tom_itx> sad to say
[12:31:45] <Tom_itx> in the 70's there were hundreds of active wells within 30 mi of me, now it's down do dozens
[12:31:53] <Tom_itx> to*
[12:32:06] <IchGuckLive> on thursday the Texas windpower reatched a 5GWH first time
[12:32:30] <Tom_itx> they are putting in alot more of those around here now too
[12:32:45] <Tom_itx> there's a new plant just N of me that builds them
[12:32:49] <pcw_home> I suspect Good Old Standard Oil has paid for the fire repairs about 100 times because of the price increase
[12:33:15] <Tom_itx> no doubt
[12:33:34] <IchGuckLive> the companys make Bil out of it and now go green to the Backdoors
[12:33:39] <Tom_itx> there are plenty of other refineries around the country they could rely on
[12:34:59] <IchGuckLive> there is also a plan to shoudt down Niagra completly from 22:00 to 06:00
[12:37:35] <pcw_home> Reminds my of the Epoxy B shortage in the 90's Memory prices more than doubled
[12:38:16] <IchGuckLive> as now with the Newodyne on Harddrives
[12:42:28] <pcw_home> Theres a neodymium shortage?
[12:43:32] <skunkworks__> didn't some of the epoxy factorys blow up...
[12:43:38] <IchGuckLive> China holds on there rear earth
[12:44:51] <IchGuckLive> i just googled the power needs of NY City max for one day
[12:44:55] <IchGuckLive> WHO
[12:45:25] <IchGuckLive> 45GWH one day
[12:46:12] <pcw_home> Yes is 1992/3? a Epoxy precursor (cresol) factory in Japan exploded
[12:47:41] <pcw_home> look like ND is ~$120 a Kg now ($210 in Feb)
[12:48:10] <Tom_itx> living off the land in Alaska is looking more inviting every day
[12:48:40] <pcw_home> wonder how much I have in that pile of 5" drives in the Mesa Junk room
[12:48:50] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: you are wright its starting to easy
[12:49:15] <pcw_home> Into the wild!
[12:50:19] <Tom_itx> any good links for a successful linuxcnc reprap control?
[12:50:28] <IchGuckLive> in Feb a 320GB HDD wars near Double the price now
[12:51:04] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: why not reprap themself
[12:51:13] <pcw_home> http://www.metal-pages.com/metalprices/neodymium/
[12:51:40] <Tom_itx> i figured i may get further asking in here
[12:51:43] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: or do you mean to get the G-code
[12:52:04] <Tom_itx> just use my cnc and add a print head to it
[12:52:14] <Tom_itx> a couple have done it i believe
[12:52:16] <pcw_home> I think awallin made one
[12:52:17] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:52:31] <Tom_itx> not sure how much trouble it would be
[12:53:16] <IchGuckLive> only trouble is cluespeed
[12:53:58] <Tom_itx> controlling the hot end temp is what's lacking i think
[12:54:06] <pcw_home> I think someone on the forums was doing it as well (they wanted lookahead for the extruder rate)
[12:54:33] <Tom_itx> it's just a curiosity right now
[12:55:03] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: there are extrusion ready made all over ebay
[12:56:20] <IchGuckLive> see reprap.org
[12:56:51] <IchGuckLive> they got also a wiki page layout to all things you need to know
[13:08:48] <IchGuckLive> have a nice sunday by
[13:29:02] <tjb1> 2 hours 15 minutes until I can eat :/
[13:50:09] <ReadError_> why?
[13:50:14] * r00t4rd3d shoves a handful of bacon in his mouth.
[13:51:01] <tjb1> dining unit isn't open
[13:51:15] <r00t4rd3d> are you in prison?
[13:52:57] <MattyMatt> zoo
[13:54:47] <MattyMatt> I just had an inspiration about a cheap induction heater - custom wound generator
[13:55:23] <MattyMatt> you'd get the right volts and freq without banks of watercooled capacitors
[13:58:01] <MattyMatt> it'd still cost more than a mapp gas torch tho :p that's all I really need
[13:58:22] <Jymmm> electric go cart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrdNxgcNlYA&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[13:59:42] <MattyMatt> nice clean build
[14:00:04] <Jymmm> Not sure if I like the battery sandwich too much though
[14:00:26] <MattyMatt> it might protect your legs in most situations
[14:00:39] <Jymmm> the battery acid you mean?
[14:00:57] <MattyMatt> no just the dead mass. you'd need acidproof knickers
[14:01:04] <Jymmm> heh
[14:01:42] <Jymmm> battery boxes/fenders would be nice
[14:02:53] <Jymmm> I'm kinda surprised it didnt go faster than 40 though
[14:03:12] <Jymmm> there should be some hall torque there
[14:03:19] <Jymmm> hella
[14:03:23] <MattyMatt> I had a bike with 2 batteries. did 15mph top
[14:03:35] <MattyMatt> similar size motor
[14:03:43] <Jymmm> huh
[14:03:56] <MattyMatt> I had the batteries in parallel tho, for range
[14:04:04] <Jymmm> ah
[14:04:13] <Jymmm> well they said 72v
[14:05:17] <Jymmm> those did look like marine batteries thugh, I wonder if they couldn't provide the amps
[14:06:13] <MattyMatt> you can draw enough amps off a starter battery to flatten it in 5 minutes
[14:06:31] <MattyMatt> dunno if marine is much different
[14:07:19] <Jymmm> no idea
[14:07:44] <MattyMatt> gel batteries are much lower peak amps I know
[14:08:04] <Jymmm> yeah
[14:11:04] <Jymmm> http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/ub16600-racing-series-12-volt-16-volt-agm-battery.html
[14:14:53] <taiden> alright
[14:15:01] <taiden> isolcpu or w/e mod
[14:15:06] <taiden> seems to have worked this time
[14:15:20] <taiden> does it just disable one of the cores?
[14:15:34] <taiden> why yes it does, slick
[14:22:02] <Skullworks> Whats up with sourceforge bouncing submissions?
[14:23:18] <Skullworks> I mean "emc-users-request@lists.sourceforge.net"
[14:24:44] <taiden> so
[14:24:50] <taiden> 7.8k / 12.2k
[14:24:56] <taiden> with isocasoifapsflples mod
[14:24:59] <Skullworks> Oops - pasted wrong address, ( coffee deficiency )
[14:25:00] <taiden> vs
[14:25:04] <taiden> 30k/30k without
[14:25:07] <taiden> on the d525mw
[14:25:45] <taiden> and thats with me stressing the hell out of it
[14:26:38] <r00t4rd3d> i run firefox, xchat, sketchup while im cutting and I have no problems
[14:27:12] <r00t4rd3d> you need to quit worring about that and just use it
[14:29:05] <r00t4rd3d> using glxgears as a test point on a system with onboard video is really not ideal either.
[14:29:53] <r00t4rd3d> glxgears can be stressful on a system with a video card
[14:30:31] <taiden> yeah
[14:30:33] <taiden> no its fine
[14:30:37] <taiden> all is great
[14:30:44] <taiden> i just got
[14:31:13] <taiden> 10.4k / 14.5k while running a youtube video, doing a true loop to load cpu to 100%, pinging a server, and running glx gears
[14:31:19] <taiden> while writing a 1gb blank file to disk
[14:31:24] <taiden> i can't think of much else to test
[14:31:30] <taiden> oh and scrolling through a pdf
[14:31:33] <taiden> so i think im fine
[14:32:55] <r00t4rd3d> did you update to the newest bios?
[14:33:00] <taiden> not yet
[14:33:03] <taiden> i might as well huh
[14:33:10] <r00t4rd3d> its the only thing i did
[14:33:33] <taiden> Lol
[14:33:40] <taiden> idle i get 1.8k/1.6k
[14:33:45] <taiden> ridiculous
[14:33:50] <taiden> this board is awesome
[14:36:01] <taiden> ReadError_: is there a way to disable the isolcpu mod at startup? if i want to use this for other things the computer is much snappier without that
[14:36:13] <taiden> maybe i'll just run a different version of ubuntu in a separate partition
[14:37:21] <psha> taiden: add another grub entry without isolcpus option
[14:37:27] <psha> or just edit it at boot time
[14:38:02] <taiden> alright
[14:38:15] <taiden> i tried holding shift at startup but it booted into the 07_rtai settings
[14:38:17] <psha> it's just kernel boot flag
[14:39:43] <psha> somebody with ubuntu install nearby may help you
[14:39:52] <psha> bb
[14:55:44] <ReadError_> well he left ;/
[16:11:06] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:34:22] <r00t4rd3d> the internet was so much better when it was just nerds
[16:35:55] <r00t4rd3d> aol soiled it
[16:36:16] <andypugh> Pah! It was better when it was just academics.
[16:36:54] <r00t4rd3d> like i said, nerds
[17:11:58] <r00t4rd3d> taiden, u cutting yet?
[17:33:47] <r00t4rd3d> do your initials stand for underwear?
[17:34:36] <r00t4rd3d> uw
[17:34:55] <r00t4rd3d> idle for 1860 minutes ?
[17:35:58] <uw> ?
[17:36:08] <uw> underwater lol
[17:36:13] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[17:36:21] <r00t4rd3d> are you?
[17:36:24] <uw> i have a submarine :D
[17:37:21] <r00t4rd3d> i have to ask, do you really?
[17:37:37] <uw> lol yup!
[17:37:49] <uw> however, no i am not currently in it
[17:37:52] <r00t4rd3d> pics?
[17:38:34] <uw> i do. however they arent hosted right now :(
[17:38:41] <uw> perhaps later lol
[17:40:20] <r00t4rd3d> what do you do with it?
[17:41:08] <r00t4rd3d> and is it yellow
[17:42:56] <r00t4rd3d> is this you?
[17:42:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/personal-submarine-500x360.jpg
[17:46:28] <ReadError_> how did they train a whale to ride that thing?
[17:46:49] <andypugh> Don't be mean.
[17:47:26] <andypugh> She's barely a manatee.
[17:55:50] <uw> r00t4rd3d, i exploree lol
[17:56:01] <uw> no it isnt yellow, mostly clear plastic
[18:11:02] <andypugh> Night all.
[18:11:23] <r00t4rd3d> do you make parts for it with a cnc router?
[18:15:42] <taiden> r00t4rd3d; updated bios
[18:15:51] <taiden> dual core latency is better
[18:15:56] <taiden> than before
[18:16:06] <taiden> but not nearly as good as with isolcpu-1
[18:16:07] <taiden> =1
[18:16:32] <taiden> however, using the box suffers when you do anything but linuxcnc
[18:16:42] <taiden> significantly
[18:32:38] <taiden-cnc> anyone else have a spindle that is turned on every time the computer is off?
[18:32:52] <taiden-cnc> I keep my estop disengaged when i'm not here, but it's still an awkward thing
[18:33:07] <Tom_itx> change the logic
[18:33:35] <Tom_itx> more than awkward... dangerous
[18:41:01] <r00t4rd3d> I can believe a mormon nut job from Utah is in the running to be president.
[18:41:10] <r00t4rd3d> how the hell does that happen
[18:41:47] <r00t4rd3d> first thing he will probably do is pardon warren jeffs
[18:43:11] <Tom_itx> well, they let the last one in...
[18:48:22] <tjb1> my parts are shipping out tomorrow! :D
[18:49:05] <cpresser> taiden-cnc: my control is wired the same way (spindle)
[18:49:30] <cpresser> i just wrote a small script to delay the shutdown if estop is not engaged
[18:52:14] <tjb1> How much travel is "ideal" on a router on the z-axis
[18:53:14] <Tom_itx> all you can get
[18:53:21] <cpresser> depends on your application :)
[18:53:39] <tjb1> Well I don't need/want too much ;)
[18:53:45] <tjb1> and I know most router bits aren't that long
[18:55:07] <tjb1> With the parts I have now, I can probably squeak about 10" out max
[18:55:21] <cpresser> mine has 180mm travel in Z, which is okay for most applications
[18:57:30] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, how low is your Y axis
[18:57:43] <tjb1> which one do you consider Y?
[18:57:58] <r00t4rd3d> left to right
[18:58:04] <tjb1> 80 total
[18:58:10] <r00t4rd3d> mm?
[18:58:11] <tjb1> 65 inside rails
[18:58:13] <tjb1> inch
[18:58:17] <r00t4rd3d> no how high
[18:58:19] <r00t4rd3d> off the table
[18:58:23] <tjb1> Oh...
[18:58:41] <r00t4rd3d> say you got 3 inches of space between your table and the bottom of your gantry
[18:58:44] <tjb1> I think its 7-8" to bottom of extrusion
[18:59:00] <tjb1> I would have to load water table and stuff to check
[19:00:48] <tjb1> The z extrusion is 20" long
[19:01:26] <r00t4rd3d> I measured my lowest point and doubled it and figured out my z axis travel
[19:01:35] <tjb1> By the time I stuff 2 bearing blocks and the locking rings and the motor coupler I am going to blow a lot of that
[19:02:56] <r00t4rd3d> say you got 3 inches between your table and the bottom of your gantry, you can only go down 3 inches and only need to go back up 3 inches so 6 inches would be ideal, a touch more for play.
[19:03:28] <tjb1> If it was 3 inches, going down 3 and back up would only require 3 inches of travel :P
[19:04:47] <r00t4rd3d> true if you only used 1 pillow block for your z axis
[19:04:57] <r00t4rd3d> if you have 4 spaced apart
[19:05:25] <r00t4rd3d> you need room for the top set of blocks
[19:06:22] <r00t4rd3d> you get what i mean?
[19:06:32] <tjb1> Im trying
[19:09:59] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/EUiM2.jpg
[19:10:29] <r00t4rd3d> see how i have 4 sets of pillow blocks on my Z axis
[19:10:30] <tjb1> There we go
[19:10:35] <tjb1> Picture is worth a thousand words :)
[19:10:38] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[19:11:08] <tjb1> I switched to the 8" long carriages instead of the 4" ones on the Z
[19:11:51] <tjb1> so a 20" extrusion - 8" carriage leaves about 12" before I add all the supports and thrust bearings
[19:12:18] <tjb1> and this really bothers me - http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=162586&d=1341087087
[19:12:47] <r00t4rd3d> why
[19:13:34] <r00t4rd3d> the cable drag is really not needed on the Z
[19:13:43] <r00t4rd3d> should have just ran the wire with the Y
[19:14:09] <tjb1> That isn't mine
[19:14:21] <tjb1> I read a lot on cnczone ;)
[19:14:26] <r00t4rd3d> i didnt figure seeing how your parts were just sent
[19:14:44] <tjb1> It bothers me that 1 they are using e-chain on the z axis which has about 8" travel
[19:15:03] <tjb1> and 2 they have about 2 ft of it when according to mcmaster slightly over half of travel is all that is required
[19:15:13] <tjb1> so 12" would have sufficied
[19:15:59] <r00t4rd3d> i wouldnt have put it on my z at all
[19:16:01] <r00t4rd3d> looks like shit
[19:17:53] <tjb1> I agree
[19:18:52] <tjb1> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=162580&d=1341087068
[19:18:55] <tjb1> that one bothers me too
[19:25:41] <r00t4rd3d> i need to find a way to manage the wires going into my controller
[19:25:49] <r00t4rd3d> thats the only thing i dont like
[19:26:06] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/IMQyO.jpg
[19:26:34] <tjb1> That little box?
[19:26:46] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[19:26:53] <r00t4rd3d> the black one
[19:26:58] <tjb1> Only 3 wires there
[19:27:05] <r00t4rd3d> 4
[19:27:16] <tjb1> Thats so messy
[19:27:19] <tjb1> You should be ashamed
[19:27:25] <r00t4rd3d> it does irritate me
[19:27:29] <tjb1> http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/333928_4222139787734_2120405769_o.jpg
[19:27:33] <tjb1> Im gonna have to change that
[19:27:36] <tjb1> Position of the g540
[19:28:28] <tjb1> The way it is there, all the wires will be in the way
[19:29:15] <tjb1> Cant do the top, then a bunch of junk would fall into it so I am thinking on the left side
[19:29:34] <tjb1> I will move the box over to the other side of that vertical support and have the g540 coming out the side
[19:29:58] <r00t4rd3d> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=230840958274
[19:30:12] <r00t4rd3d> when i get some money im gonna get that and put it all on there
[19:30:13] <tjb1> Thats nice
[19:30:32] <tjb1> I can't spend any money until I get something made
[19:30:52] <tjb1> I won't have enough to "finish" it
[19:31:21] <r00t4rd3d> i built my xyz basically twice
[19:32:34] <tjb1> I only have $750 left
[19:32:40] <tjb1> $500 of that is steel for the frame
[19:32:59] <tjb1> Still need a water table, leveling feet and echain
[19:33:56] <tjb1> Going to use these - http://www.mcmaster.com/#alignment-dowels/=j0u9kj
[19:34:00] <tjb1> For the torch break away
[19:38:39] <Jymmm> tjb1: Dont have a respirator by chance do you?
[19:38:47] <tjb1> I do
[19:39:40] <Jymmm> tjb1: Well, go find yourself an ld abandond rail line... free steel and timber for the kiln ;)
[19:39:50] <Jymmm> s/ld/old/
[19:40:25] <Jymmm> tjb1: save $500 =)
[19:40:42] <tjb1> Heh, they already removed all the old rail lines here
[19:40:46] <tjb1> for "rails to trails"
[19:40:59] <Jymmm> ah, bummer
[19:41:21] <tjb1> Well I am gonna go grab something to eat
[19:41:23] <tjb1> Cya
[19:57:53] <taiden> so i'd say make it as small as possible but add extra travel to make up for any tolerances in your designs
[19:58:12] <taiden> and then adjust your limit switches to be safe for your setup so you aren't jamming things into the wrong places (that's what she said)
[19:59:29] <r00t4rd3d> he left
[20:06:13] <tjb1> How many people here know what Sheetz is?
[20:07:07] <Skullworks> as in paper or bedding?
[20:07:35] <r00t4rd3d> breath freshener ?
[20:08:24] <r00t4rd3d> I put sheetz in my mouth! , I took a sheetz at work!
[20:08:24] <Skullworks> or too much Exlax...
[20:08:31] <r00t4rd3d> i think i seen the commercial
[20:09:20] <r00t4rd3d> i played with my sheetz then ate it
[20:09:25] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[20:10:11] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, where you live?
[20:10:23] <tjb1> PA
[20:10:31] <tjb1> http://www.sheetz.com/main/
[20:10:33] <r00t4rd3d> really, do you ride?
[20:10:35] <tjb1> best gas station in the us
[20:10:41] <r00t4rd3d> on the rails to trails?
[20:10:46] <tjb1> no
[20:14:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.sheetsbrand.com/
[20:14:45] <r00t4rd3d> thats what i though you was talking about
[20:15:03] <r00t4rd3d> energy tabs or some shit you put on your tongue
[20:15:39] <tjb1> Nope just an awesome gas station
[20:15:52] <r00t4rd3d> are you still tethering?
[20:16:10] <Skullworks> Correct me if I'm wrong...
[20:17:14] <tjb1> No I am at school now
[20:17:24] <r00t4rd3d> at 9pm?
[20:18:16] <tjb1> I live here.
[20:18:44] <Skullworks> but currently the speed (velocity) that a program runs at is limited by the G61 execution speed - aka can the machine accel to a stop at the end of the block.
[20:21:21] <Skullworks> While G64 P.0nn does not cause any slowdowns, the velocity is still limited to what the machine needs to stop in one block space.
[20:50:37] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: I'm excited, won't be able to sleep tonight
[20:55:23] <r00t4rd3d> over what?
[20:56:14] <r00t4rd3d> id be excited about the freshman girls
[20:56:31] <tjb1> Not many here...
[20:56:39] <tjb1> and because parts are on the way!
[20:56:42] <tjb1> Rack should arrive tomorrow
[21:01:20] <tjb1> Is the Moore Gear rack hardened?
[21:01:23] <tjb1> Anyone know
[21:54:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/v9SQf.gif
[21:55:15] <Valen> wth
[21:58:26] <r00t4rd3d> exactly
[21:59:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/hwECr.jpg
[22:00:05] <r00t4rd3d> thats funny
[22:02:06] <r00t4rd3d> I guess the 2 cops shot 16 times total to kill that guy
[22:04:53] <r00t4rd3d> neither one had ever fired their fun in the line of duty
[22:04:58] <r00t4rd3d> gun*
[22:12:20] <Valen> I don't see why people get all huffy over how many times somebody gets shot by the police
[22:12:34] <Valen> if they are shooting somebody they are trying to kill them
[22:12:48] <Valen> if your trying to kill somebody then damn well make sure they are dead
[22:25:43] <tjb1> They are all huffy because those 2 cops shot 8 other people
[22:25:48] <tjb1> either direct hits or fragments
[22:31:50] <Valen> fair enough
[22:31:55] <Valen> url?
[22:33:17] <tjb1> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/9-injured-outside-empire-state-building-were-hit-by-police-gunfire/2012/08/25/878720e2-eedf-11e1-afd8-097e90f99d05_story.html
[22:34:22] <tjb1> I would sue the dump cops
[22:34:25] <tjb1> *dumb
[22:34:39] <tjb1> It that hard to watch where you are shooting
[22:34:56] <Valen> from the armchair no
[22:35:13] <Valen> on a busy street when somebody is trying to kill you i imagine it gets a bit tougher
[22:35:23] <tjb1> The guy was walking away
[22:35:38] <Valen> The veteran patrolmen who opened fire on the suit-clad gunman, Jeffrey Johnson, had only an instant to react when he whirled around and pointed a .45-caliber pistol at them as they approached from behind on a busy sidewalk, police said.
[22:35:40] <tjb1> The guy killed who he wanted and was leaving
[22:35:59] <tjb1> Ok but 16 shots?
[22:36:00] <tjb1> 16...
[22:36:08] <Valen> yeah, thats a bit much
[22:36:25] <tjb1> Worst part is, 16 shots between 2 cops
[22:36:28] <Valen> when your using a crowd as the back stop double tap and wait
[22:36:29] <tjb1> Not like 6 were hsooting
[22:37:33] <Valen> do keep in mind that you could fire off 8 shots in a second or two
[22:37:52] <Valen> and it takes that long for the guy to start falling down
[22:39:13] <Valen> tis funny when paintballing, the first 100 balls get used up in about 4 minutes
[22:39:20] <Tom_itx> aww just toss a grenade his way
[22:39:37] <Valen> the next hundred last 20 minutes, and the 3rd hundred the rest of the day
[23:22:11] <Jymmm> hi Tom_itx
[23:26:45] <Skullworks> I won't paintball or Airsoft - I don't like the idea of being in the habit of dropping the hammer on human targets.
[23:27:30] <Jymmm> Skullworks: do you own a firearm?
[23:28:12] <Skullworks> 22 shorts up thru .458 SOCOM - Including registered NFA items.
[23:28:52] <Jymmm> shorts? I've never heard of them
[23:29:33] <tjb1> t shirt gun :P
[23:29:37] <tjb1> loaded with shorts
[23:30:12] <Skullworks> http://www.walmart.com/ip/CCI-22-Short-Lead-29gr-Round-Nose-100ct/16879788
[23:30:43] <Jymmm> Skullworks: No, no, I mean what fires them. All I ever see are .22lr
[23:31:03] <Skullworks> used in target pistols and Beretta 950 pistols
[23:31:11] <Jymmm> ah
[23:31:36] <Jymmm> Skullworks: Have you seen the 10-22 takedown yet?
[23:32:51] <Jymmm> Skullworks: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CD0QtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKtn4gDpwkU4&ei=svU6UI-cII3liwKth4HIDQ&usg=AFQjCNG15tY4pK-FwMNhCZYdu0FIZ2Ko2A
[23:32:54] <Jymmm> bah
[23:33:04] <Jymmm> Skullworks: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktn4gDpwkU4
[23:33:10] <Jymmm> again, sigh
[23:33:35] <Jymmm> Skullworks: last try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktn4gDpwkU4
[23:34:50] <Skullworks> I have a few 10-22's But I really like playing with my new Savage FVSR.
[23:36:27] <Skullworks> Get your machine running... then you can scratch build your own 10-22 takedown.
[23:39:03] <Skullworks> http://www.berettacollection.com/smallframe/smallframe.html#950
[23:40:43] <Skullworks> BTW you can fire 22 short from a 22LR and from a rifle its a bit louder than a soda can opening.
[23:47:14] <Skullworks> Irony is I live on a ranch with my own private range - I just can't afford to feed the little monsters. I have a semi-automatic bullet casting machine and a CNC bullet lube sizer just to help make shooting the machine guns cheaper....