#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-08-12

[00:08:10] <ssi> hrm
[00:35:44] <r00t4rd3d> give you ideas?
[00:36:30] <r00t4rd3d> a old vw van would be cool to use
[01:52:39] <Skullworks> hmm sounds like the "flash enabled video hardware acceleration error."
[02:02:47] <DJ9DJ> moin
[04:26:47] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:08:20] <ktchk> Hi good morning want to chat about feedrate?
[05:08:37] <archivist> just ask the real question
[05:09:10] <ktchk> feedrate control by alt-5 to 50%
[05:09:30] <micges> Loetmichel: hi
[05:09:51] <micges> Loetmichel: working again today?
[05:11:09] <Loetmichel> no, order done
[05:12:00] <ktchk> I do not find any chat about that
[05:12:05] <Loetmichel> tomorrow the QA from the customer will check our work, then we can deliver 300 PCs and 250 Monitors...
[05:12:17] <Loetmichel> ant the: another 100 PCs and 200 monitors ;-)
[05:12:23] <Loetmichel> 27" this time ;-)
[05:16:42] <micges> ktchk: what is the problem with your feedrate?
[05:17:15] <archivist> I think he wants to modify key binding to function, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12642
[05:19:30] <archivist> I keep that link in my bookmarks as I had to add B axis jog keys
[06:12:18] <archivist> I wish some would give us feedback, did we answer his problem
[06:13:17] <jthornton> yea, I hate when that happens
[06:14:57] <archivist> guess the question, guess the answer, get no feedback !
[06:47:32] <gmagno> still trying to understand why USB is not a good way of interfacing with a cnc machine. I understand that USB does not give any guaranty on the data rate like RS232 for instance, but is that really necessary? There are CNC controllers based on arduino (namely based on grbl firmware) that communicate through USB with a computer. What am I loosing when I use this solution, instead of LinuxCNC?
[06:51:38] <archivist> those little controllers are limited in number of axes and usually are stepper systems so no servo control either
[06:51:40] <jthornton> USB is fine if you have a smart controller
[06:52:06] <gmagno> jthornton, what does smart exacly means?
[06:52:21] <archivist> the smats IN linuxcnc
[06:52:27] <archivist> smarts
[06:52:52] <gmagno> ok, so there is no problem at all in using USB?
[06:53:05] <gmagno> if I'm smart enough, i mean
[06:53:23] <archivist> yes there is, it has poor latency so cannot be IN the loop
[06:53:51] <gmagno> can you give an example where usb communication would show bad performance when compared with LPT
[06:54:07] <jthornton> all the real time has to be on the machine side of the USB so the controller has to be smart and contain all the stuff that LinuxCNC does
[06:54:42] <archivist> so that means a pc power the other side
[06:54:54] <jthornton> why does the last image not show up? http://gnipsel.com/glade/glade02.html
[06:55:12] <jthornton> if I rename it in the link and the image name then it shows up
[06:55:42] <gmagno> (jthornton, is that asciidoc?)
[06:55:56] <jthornton> yea
[06:56:23] <gmagno> I'm also a gnome enthusiast :)
[06:56:46] <gmagno> use python+glade+gtk+ set of tools
[06:56:49] <gmagno> all the time
[06:57:00] <gmagno> I*
[06:57:19] <jthornton> cool, I'm just learning and have not found a good tutorial yet so I'm writing my own
[06:58:09] <archivist> are you sure the image file is on your system
[06:58:45] <jthornton> yes, I can change the name of if with filezilla to 06 then change the link to 06 and it shows up
[06:59:56] <jthornton> refresh the screen now and you will see it
[06:59:59] <archivist> are the permissions correct
[07:00:09] <gmagno> jthornton, you know, all these questions about usb came out because I'm writing a tutorial on building a cnc machine based on linuxcnc+PC (1st approach) or grbl+arduino+laptop
[07:00:52] <gmagno> grbl+arduino+laptop (2nd approach)*
[07:01:29] <jthornton> let me look at the permissions
[07:01:49] <jthornton> all the files are 0644
[07:02:04] <gmagno> and I was trying to explain where the second approach fails by using USB beween arduino and laptop
[07:02:05] <jthornton> what is a grbl
[07:02:30] <jthornton> the arduino would need the motion planner on board
[07:02:41] <jthornton> and other smarts like that
[07:03:03] <archivist> the steps instructions have to arrive at the correct time
[07:03:11] <gmagno> grbl is a firmware that runs on arduino to control a driver board
[07:03:23] <gmagno> http://dank.bengler.no/-/page/show/5470_grbl
[07:03:38] <jthornton> ah ok
[07:04:38] <jthornton> now you just need to send destinations to the arduino and have it work out how
[07:04:45] <gmagno> the reason I also likes grbl approach was not needing a PC with paralel port, it makes the machine self contained. I would still have to connect a laptop and stream the gcode, but using usb
[07:04:54] <gmagno> like*
[07:05:23] <jthornton> or drip feed the gcode to the ardunio
[07:05:37] <gmagno> drip feed=?
[07:06:02] <jthornton> like old NC machines
[07:06:06] <gmagno> I literally send gcode strings to the arduino and wait for reply
[07:06:14] <jthornton> you only feed it as fast as it can take it
[07:06:46] <gmagno> i think so. How different is this solution from the LinuxCNC one
[07:07:40] <jthornton> LinuxCNC sends out step and direction pulses in real time
[07:07:59] <archivist> gmagno, is that for you to find out if you are writing the docs comparing
[07:10:20] <gmagno> jthornton, not sending out steps and direction pulses in real time leads to errors or something like that? I don't want to bother with questions, if you could give me a good reference to read on this topic that would be fine
[07:10:43] <archivist> I see enough limitations on http://dank.bengler.no/-/page/show/5470_grbl
[07:12:48] <gmagno> I would never say that grbl replaces LinuxCNC... that would be a joke :) I'm just focusing on the usb thing. Actually, we can thing of this problem as why linuxCNC does not communicates through usb instead of LPT. Nevermind grbl, I just gave that example as an example of a controller based on usb communication
[07:12:48] <jthornton> I think this has been discussed both on the mailing list and the forum and here numerous times so you would just have to search those resources
[07:12:51] <archivist> you are comparing a fiat 500 with a unimog
[07:13:37] <jthornton> LinuxCNC does communicate via the USB but only in userland not in real time
[07:18:13] <gmagno> jthornton, are there significant differences, that is, if I machine a square with, let's say, LPT based LinuxCNC, and another square with a hypothetical usb based LinuxCNC, would there be significant differences? Is this a silly comparison?
[07:21:15] <jthornton> it's above my pay scale to argue the possibility of using USB and it has been argued to death over and over and over and over
[07:21:25] <archivist> if you use usb the motion planner/control has to be downside of the usb else you would have timing errors, linuxcnc therefore cannot use usb unless it is the other side too
[07:22:08] <archivist> we see the same questions monthly
[07:26:00] <gmagno> ok, thank you for helping
[07:26:44] <jthornton> for more reading search this IRC, the LinuxCNC mailing list and the forum
[07:30:16] <gmagno> jthornton, sure
[07:30:47] <gmagno> jthornton, just read in your personal webpage that you worked in west africa, where exacly? I've been in Angola working.
[07:32:17] <jthornton> up and down the west coast Cameroon Zaire Angola mostly
[07:32:41] <gmagno> jthornton, nice!
[07:32:56] <jthornton> it was interesting at the time
[07:33:50] <gmagno> I've been working right inside the slum (is that how you call it?). Those were VERY interesting times hehehe
[07:34:56] <jthornton> I was on an offshore jackup drilling rig but we came through the towns every month when we rotated crews out
[07:35:34] <gmagno> jthornton, in that case you must know what I'm talking about :)
[07:35:54] <jthornton> having a warm Primus beer in a grass hut at the mouth of the Congo River was different
[07:36:07] <jthornton> yea I think I do
[07:40:04] <gmagno> I worked in a "farm" with 5 or 6 armed with AK guys constantly doing surveillance
[07:41:08] <gmagno> the swimming pool we had inside the farm was digged by intruders..
[07:41:29] <jthornton> reminds me of the stewardess on Angola Air
[07:42:23] <gmagno> what about her?
[07:43:01] <jthornton> well he wore fatigues and carries an AK and stood at the back of the plane
[07:51:13] <gmagno> :)
[08:20:22] <Tom_itx> jthornton,
[08:21:40] <jthornton> yes, just heading out for some chow
[08:22:13] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-Shop/personal_webserver.txt
[08:31:19] <jthornton> thanks
[08:31:42] <Tom_itx> you can use a current user in step 6 if you want
[08:31:57] <jthornton> ok
[08:32:11] <Tom_itx> that way it won't screw up your login
[08:32:31] <Tom_itx> or chown a different dir to the current user
[08:34:08] <jthornton> thanks, I'll give that a whirl when I get back from riding
[08:34:12] <jthornton> bbl
[08:34:20] <Tom_itx> ok
[09:09:38] <Jymmm> Anyone have any 0.015" SS shim stock by chance?
[09:10:27] <Tom_itx> i have a .015" ss feeler gage
[09:11:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Dont feel like punch a hole in it using a hand paper punch do ya?
[09:11:49] <Tom_itx> nope
[09:11:57] <Jymmm> okey dokey
[09:13:00] <Tom_itx> but you could use yours
[09:13:18] <Tom_itx> get a cheap feeler gage from the auto store
[09:13:46] <Jymmm> I might have an extra one aroudn here, I'll have to look.
[09:22:27] <Tom_itx> dammit. ubuntu keeps reverting this static ip entry in interfaces back to the original dynamic one
[09:23:15] <Jymmm> static or fixed dhcp?
[09:23:35] <Tom_itx> the entry is in that link i gave for jt
[09:24:05] <Tom_itx> it just works in debian but ubuntu changed the way things work
[09:29:12] <Tom_itx> if you restart networking it works
[09:30:22] <Jymmm> You changed it but didn't restart it and expect it to work?
[09:30:31] <Tom_itx> i restarted it
[09:30:44] <Jymmm> but previously
[09:30:44] <Tom_itx> if you shut down and start the pc again, it reverts to the dynamic ip
[09:31:09] <Jymmm> are you editing the right file(s)?
[09:31:20] <Tom_itx> i'm editing interfaces
[09:31:26] <Tom_itx> which is what i used before
[09:32:24] <Tom_itx> w dot ubuntu talks about using that file
[09:34:22] <Jymmm> whats the full path of the fiel your editing?
[09:34:45] <Tom_itx>  /etc/network/interfaces
[09:35:09] <Tom_itx> ubuntu talks ALOT about temporary ip changes
[09:35:59] <Jymmm> how many nics?
[09:36:04] <Tom_L> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[09:37:33] <Jymmm> If you no longer need this configuration and wish to purge all IP configuration from an interface, you can use the ip command with the flush option as shown below.
[09:37:34] <Jymmm> ip addr flush eth0
[09:38:33] <Jymmm> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[09:38:51] <Tom_L> Flushing the IP configuration using the ip command does not clear the contents of /etc/resolv.conf. You must remove or modify those entries manually.
[09:39:08] <Tom_itx> maybe i need to look at resolv.conf
[09:39:20] <Jymmm> doubtful
[09:52:03] <Tom_itx> i went in 'network connections' on the menu and unchecked 'auto connect'
[09:52:47] <Jymmm> and?
[09:52:56] <Tom_itx> trying now
[09:53:07] <Jymmm> k
[09:54:57] <Tom_itx> that didn't work
[09:55:11] <Jymmm> did you try the flush command?
[09:56:22] <Tom_itx> trying one suttle change
[09:56:59] <Jymmm> (subtle)
[09:57:15] <Tom_itx> yeah that's what i said :)
[09:57:25] <Tom_itx> didn't werk anyway
[09:57:40] <Jymmm> funky ass silent b freaking word
[09:57:57] <Jymmm> (well, sorta silent ;)
[09:58:27] <Tom_itx> i won a spelling bee in gs, time has passed
[09:59:38] <pcw_home> I have a similar problem with 12.04 with a static IP (set up properly in interfaces but after reboot something suBtle in routing/dns? is broken but running dhclient fixes it)
[10:00:05] <Tom_itx> well if you figure it out, i'm sur JT will be happy to know when he gets stuck
[10:00:10] <Tom_itx> sure*
[10:00:46] <Tom_itx> odd thing is, i had this set up once and it worked fine
[10:02:58] <Jymmm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1374799
[10:04:37] <Jymmm> (though thats dated)
[10:07:57] <archivist> anybody in uk need an r8 to morse 2 adapter badly described fleabay item 160862864670
[10:53:19] <jdh> http://wilmington.craigslist.org/tls/3198461370.html
[10:53:28] <jdh> awfully cheap, but wtf would you do with it?
[11:24:22] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, last link didn't work either
[11:24:48] <Jymmm> bummer
[11:29:47] <SWPadnos> it worked for me
[11:30:27] <Jymmm> Zombieadnos!
[11:30:37] <SWPadnos> that's meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:30:43] <SWPadnos> braiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[11:30:46] <Tom_itx> SWPadnos it worked for me the first time too
[11:30:53] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Back from the dead I see =)
[11:31:13] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Send more paramedics!!!
[11:31:14] <SWPadnos> the forum page has the crappiest fonts I've seen in a long time (on this Win2K machine)
[11:31:17] <SWPadnos> heh
[11:31:23] <SWPadnos> just got back from Turkey
[11:31:32] <Jymmm> work or play?
[11:31:34] <SWPadnos> play
[11:31:47] <Jymmm> cool, your better half enjoyed it?
[11:31:54] <Tom_itx> what does turkey have to play with?
[11:32:01] <SWPadnos> freaking hot, and I got sick at the end, but otherwise it's the best trip we've ever done
[11:32:15] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: dont drink the water!
[11:32:23] <SWPadnos> yeah, I knew that
[11:32:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: but did it anyway or had ice in your drinks?
[11:33:20] <SWPadnos> but I may have had some unwittingly - we got a cup of orange juice one day, and it tasted like instant. I'm betting that's what made me sick (Sharon only had a few sips because it didn't taste that great)
[11:33:20] * Jymmm suspects ice
[11:33:34] <Jymmm> ah
[11:33:49] <Jymmm> Instant OJ? Never heard of it.
[11:33:54] <SWPadnos> Tang!
[11:33:57] <Jymmm> Well, Tang, but...
[11:34:06] <Jymmm> That's not oj, that's Tang
[11:34:09] <SWPadnos> or reconstituted
[11:34:24] <Jymmm> did it smell funny?
[11:34:24] <SWPadnos> whatever, it didn't taste very good, and I got sick that night
[11:34:41] <SWPadnos> not much else was different between what each of us ate/drank
[11:34:59] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: did it smell funny?
[11:35:26] <SWPadnos> nope, but then the smell of orange would probably have hidden anything from the water
[11:35:35] <Jymmm> ah
[11:35:39] <Jymmm> better now ?
[11:35:52] <SWPadnos> not quite
[11:35:55] <SWPadnos> maybe today
[11:36:05] <SWPadnos> great way to lose weight though ...
[11:36:09] <Jymmm> cranberry juice
[11:36:19] <Jymmm> or pedilite
[11:36:34] <SWPadnos> pedilite?
[11:36:36] <Jymmm> pedilite if you have direaha
[11:37:24] <Jymmm> http://pedialyte.com/
[11:37:32] <Tom_itx> it's for infants
[11:37:50] <SWPadnos> hmmm, I may be older than an infant
[11:38:14] <r00t4rd3d> in theory or reality?
[11:38:49] <SWPadnos> I'm pretty sure they match in this case
[11:40:27] <Jymmm> It's oral hydration salts, but uses dextros instead of gluclose (gatoraid) as then the intenstines dont increase the dehydration
[11:41:10] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: ^^^^^
[11:41:14] <SWPadnos> ok
[11:41:23] <SWPadnos> I think I'll stick to steak and oatmeal ;)
[11:41:49] <Jymmm> Also atheletes are using it now as it has reduced sugars
[11:41:58] <Jymmm> instead of "sports drinks"
[11:42:33] <Jymmm> expensive though
[11:42:47] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I hope not at the same time.
[11:43:01] <SWPadnos> nope. that would be icky
[11:43:09] <Jymmm> yes, yes it would.
[11:56:57] <tjb1> !seen WillenCMD
[11:57:04] <the_wench> last seen in 2012-08-07 01:27:35GMT 136:18:05 ago, saying Quit: Leaving
[12:32:19] <skunkworks__> SWPadnos: !
[12:32:35] <SWPadnos> ja
[12:32:58] <skunkworks__> back home?
[12:33:05] <SWPadnos> yep
[12:33:14] <skunkworks__> home sweet home
[12:33:29] <SWPadnos> and here's the strange part - I don't have any more travel planned
[12:33:39] <skunkworks__> odd
[12:34:38] <archivist> yet
[12:35:04] <SWPadnos> well, that's true. I'm probably headed back to Germany this September
[12:35:19] <SWPadnos> and maybe another trip to Japan in the next 6 months or so
[12:36:29] <skunkworks__> so - what is up? can you say? Last I know you where doing was the timed camera work
[12:37:35] <SWPadnos> I'm working on a similar system for a science museum at the moment. plus some radio remote controls.
[12:39:11] <skunkworks__> neat
[12:39:29] <SWPadnos> you?
[12:41:22] <skunkworks__> bathroom remodel mostly.... (and we are expecting any day not)\
[12:41:27] <skunkworks__> *now
[12:41:34] <SWPadnos> is this #2?
[12:41:40] <skunkworks__> #1
[12:41:44] <SWPadnos> huh
[12:41:50] <SWPadnos> must be thinking of Alex :)
[12:42:04] <skunkworks__> yes ;)
[12:44:02] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[12:44:57] <skunkworks__> hi
[12:45:02] <IchGuckLive> i spotet 152 shooting stars tonight
[13:12:58] <skunkworks__> nice
[13:13:41] <IchGuckLive> today in the USA there is the max at 23PM so stay up and leve the City for a town place
[13:14:33] <IchGuckLive> olympic closing ceremony ready to start
[13:14:44] <IchGuckLive> 110 medels for the USA
[14:24:35] <DJ9DJ> namd
[15:21:40] <jy76> whats goin on tj?
[16:01:07] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:07:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=214_1344782222
[16:19:44] <wd5jwy> Is there anyone around here that is familiar with JThorton's Glade3 Python Tutorial?
[16:20:41] <wd5jwy> http://www.gnipsel.com/glade/python05.html
[16:22:48] <FinboySlick> wd5jwy: I'm not familiar with the turorial itself but I've played with python a bit.
[16:24:11] <wd5jwy> Well, he has a line in some of the example code that I don't understand
[16:24:25] <FinboySlick> which one?
[16:24:44] <wd5jwy> I tried to ping John directly, but he's apparently AFK
[16:25:24] <wd5jwy> he creates a String variable that seems to never be used anywhere else in the code
[16:25:40] <FinboySlick> Where is that in the link you posted?
[16:26:21] <wd5jwy> If you click on the Part 2b link
[16:26:36] <wd5jwy> then scroll down to the tutorial-2.py code listing
[16:26:58] <wd5jwy> under the "def_init_(self):" section
[16:27:07] <wd5jwy> he has a string variable
[16:27:37] <wd5jwy> self.eval_string=""
[16:28:09] <wd5jwy> just trying to understand why he created the variable if it's never used
[16:28:38] <wd5jwy> I must be missing something, I'm sure
[16:30:09] <FinboySlick> My first guess is that it's it's an inherited property that he wants to be sure is blank.
[16:30:15] <FinboySlick> Perhaps it has a default value.
[16:30:37] <FinboySlick> But I don't think so from looking further down the definition.
[16:30:41] <wd5jwy> but that's just it - it's not an inherited property
[16:30:44] <FinboySlick> So honestly, I don't know.
[16:30:48] <wd5jwy> I checked that
[16:31:09] <wd5jwy> it's a variable he created and then set to "blank"
[16:31:11] <wd5jwy> for some reason
[16:31:26] <wd5jwy> he has it in some other code as well
[16:31:55] <Jymmm> why not just wait till he's around
[16:31:55] <wd5jwy> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GladeVCP_Custom_Widgets
[16:32:01] <wd5jwy> Yeah, I will
[16:32:14] <wd5jwy> just been trying to figure this out for several hours - kinda stuck
[16:32:31] <wd5jwy> I think I'll try commenting out that line and see if the code still runs
[16:32:44] <wd5jwy> I'm guessing it will
[16:33:11] <wd5jwy> thanks for the response
[16:49:14] <andypugh> I am liking the "audience pixels" in the Olympic closing ceremony,
[16:50:17] <FinboySlick> is it over already?
[16:51:29] <andypugh> All but the ceremony
[16:53:17] <FinboySlick> We're still paying for the Montreal ones.
[16:54:42] <FinboySlick> And I wasn't even born when it happened.
[16:58:53] <micges> same here after euro 2012
[17:00:05] <FinboySlick> Hehe, at least London was smart enought so save on the medals.
[17:00:10] <FinboySlick> What is it, 2% gold?
[17:03:18] <micges> heh
[17:07:07] <micges> here at least after euro many people will know that there is country named Poland, not Holland, and that we are travelling by car not by cart :)
[17:08:08] <r00t4rd3d> I like how utorrent is going to start having ads in their client. People who steal stuff are not going to click on ads to buy stuff in the client they use to steal stuff.
[17:08:17] <FinboySlick> micges: You also provided a pretty mistress for Napoleon.
[17:08:58] <FinboySlick> Wait, did he marry her? I don't remember...
[17:09:44] <micges> no idea
[17:13:45] <andypugh> It seems not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Walewska
[19:43:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://dazzlepod.com/gifiles/search/?q=TrapWire
[19:46:16] <r00t4rd3d> thats some fucked up shit right there.
[19:49:03] <ReadError> allow me to top that.
[19:49:04] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/Lpx5w.jpg
[19:56:05] <alex4nder> yoh
[19:56:31] <alex4nder> ReadError: they reproduce quickly
[19:56:37] <alex4nder> because they got from hot to shot in 5 years
[19:56:54] <ReadError> he got screwed on that deal
[19:57:19] <alex4nder> dude, white trash burns out so quickly
[19:58:11] <ReadError> even the 17 year old daughter looks like trash lol
[19:58:16] <ReadError> shes already busted @ 17
[19:58:46] <ReadError> oh well after the money from the show gets spent on new pickup trucks they will be getting my tax dollars again im sure..
[19:58:50] <alex4nder> haha
[19:58:55] <alex4nder> well you do live in Atlanta, right?
[19:58:58] <ReadError> yea
[19:59:01] <alex4nder> : |
[19:59:04] <ReadError> lol
[19:59:10] <ReadError> im not really a redneck though
[19:59:13] <ReadError> i drive a sedan
[19:59:18] <ReadError> and work in the computer field ;)
[19:59:19] <alex4nder> yah, I'm not generalizing
[19:59:22] <alex4nder> I'm just saying there's a lot there.
[20:00:17] <ReadError> well in atlanta
[20:00:22] <ReadError> its more so the bums
[20:00:33] <ReadError> all drunk and stuff trying to hustle money out of you at 7am
[20:00:58] <alex4nder> the only memory I have of "the South" is being in Florida, and seeing a bunch of shirtless rednecks buy a keg at 7am
[20:01:23] <ReadError> we dont count florida as the south
[20:01:42] <alex4nder> northern florida is southern georgia though, right?
[20:01:44] <ReadError> its our redheaded step child
[20:01:49] <alex4nder> haha
[20:01:54] <alex4nder> florida is so .. florida.
[20:02:19] <r00t4rd3d> i lived their for years, loved it,
[20:02:29] <r00t4rd3d> s/,/.
[20:02:59] <alex4nder> no place I've ever been has 'sucked ass' as much as florida.
[20:03:25] <r00t4rd3d> gotta be in the right spot
[20:03:25] <alex4nder> I don't have it in me.
[20:03:29] <ReadError> florida blows
[20:03:33] <ReadError> unless you know spanish
[20:03:41] <alex4nder> well yah, that shit would be cool
[20:03:41] <ReadError> then you can read the autozone signs
[20:03:46] <alex4nder> Cuban food is the bomb.
[20:05:19] <alex4nder> but I'm from Northern Mexico.
[20:05:23] <alex4nder> so I guess that makes sense.
[20:05:59] <r00t4rd3d> New Mexico or donkey mexico?
[20:06:07] <alex4nder> Mexico the country
[20:06:24] <alex4nder> i.e. California
[20:06:31] <r00t4rd3d> did you jump the fence?
[20:06:32] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[20:07:03] <alex4nder> it's all just politics
[20:07:44] <alex4nder> people who get pissy about immigrants never had to roof a house in the summer sun
[20:07:51] <alex4nder> those guys are my fucking heroes
[20:08:03] <r00t4rd3d> Iam not a fan of mexicans and I have roofed in 90+
[20:08:18] <r00t4rd3d> many times
[20:08:33] * alex4nder shrugs.
[20:08:36] <alex4nder> that sucks.
[20:09:19] <ReadError> THEY TOOK ERRR JERRRBBBS
[20:09:20] <alex4nder> yah dude
[20:09:32] <alex4nder> shit is so dumb.
[20:09:48] <alex4nder> I have illegal alien friends that pay taxes on someone else's social, because they can't become legal.l
[20:11:03] <r00t4rd3d> ironic
[20:11:48] <alex4nder> it's not ironic, you just can't paint them all with one brush.
[20:12:43] <alex4nder> I like mexicans,. their food is rad, and all of the ones I know personally are hard workers.
[20:13:14] <alex4nder> well, except for my neighbors: they suck.
[20:13:17] <alex4nder> but they're americans.
[20:13:38] <r00t4rd3d> where you live now?
[20:13:43] <alex4nder> middle of california
[20:13:46] <alex4nder> on the coast
[20:14:52] <r00t4rd3d> i like tacos and weed
[20:14:59] <r00t4rd3d> thats about it though
[20:15:20] <alex4nder> that's a cultural relationship if I ever heard one
[20:16:01] <ReadError> fortunately not many mexicans know linux
[20:16:08] * ReadError has job security
[20:16:13] <r00t4rd3d> i want to move to humboldt county
[20:16:17] <alex4nder> humboldt sucks
[20:16:34] <r00t4rd3d> farm living is the life ya see.
[20:16:36] <alex4nder> laf.
[20:16:43] <alex4nder> wait, where do you live now?
[20:16:55] <r00t4rd3d> Ny
[20:16:55] <ReadError> he wants to live on a pot farm
[20:17:17] <alex4nder> roycroft: upstate, or city?
[20:17:19] <alex4nder> er r00t4rd3d
[20:17:29] <r00t4rd3d> upstate
[20:17:29] <alex4nder> werd
[20:17:34] <alex4nder> upstate is nicer than northern california
[20:17:38] <alex4nder> just grow weed there
[20:17:45] <r00t4rd3d> illegal
[20:17:49] <alex4nder> it's illegal here
[20:18:00] <alex4nder> 3 letters... D E A
[20:18:48] <r00t4rd3d> they only mess with the big guys
[20:18:54] <r00t4rd3d> doing dumb shit
[20:19:06] <ReadError> hows your wooden gun biz r00t4rd3d /
[20:19:46] <alex4nder> making guns is more legal than smoking weed
[20:19:53] <alex4nder> welcome to america
[20:21:42] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/1N5VB.png
[20:21:46] <ReadError> AMUUURRIKAAA
[20:22:03] <alex4nder> haha
[20:22:11] <alex4nder> well we can only live off of WWII for so long
[20:22:49] <r00t4rd3d> im glad that olympic shit is over
[20:23:22] <r00t4rd3d> i do like how 420 phelps wins gold medals though
[20:24:11] <r00t4rd3d> the best olympian ever
[20:24:16] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[20:25:21] <Tom_itx> he took home more than alot of the countries
[20:27:16] <r00t4rd3d> he probably has enough gold medals to melt them down and make a solid gold one.
[20:28:33] <ReadError> the US pays them like 25 or 50k per medal
[20:52:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/JuGum.jpg
[20:55:47] <r00t4rd3d> karma whoring bitch:
[20:55:48] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/gcLZb.jpg?1
[21:08:46] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCiY1y3uJ3o&feature=b-mv AHAHAH
[21:08:49] <ReadError> off topic
[21:10:09] <alex4nder> we're so off the reservation at this point
[21:36:56] <r00t4rd3d> i was wondering where all the indians went
[22:05:06] <tjb1> Anyone experienced with outboard motors?
[22:07:28] <r00t4rd3d> boat motor?
[22:07:34] <tjb1> yes
[22:07:38] <r00t4rd3d> nope.
[22:07:46] <tjb1> bloody pigs is what they are.
[22:07:55] <r00t4rd3d> whats it doing?
[22:08:02] <r00t4rd3d> or not doing
[22:08:32] <tjb1> Barely starts, sputters in reverse
[22:08:45] <tjb1> Im thinking the fuel pump needs rebuilt and the carb torn off and rebuilt
[22:08:47] <r00t4rd3d> how long the gas been in the tank?
[22:08:52] <tjb1> It is a 1989
[22:08:55] <tjb1> Brand new
[22:09:14] <r00t4rd3d> before that
[22:09:32] <r00t4rd3d> did it have old gas sitting it for some period of time?
[22:09:39] <r00t4rd3d> in it*
[22:10:01] <tjb1> Nope, always run out of gas when done
[22:10:59] <r00t4rd3d> well this great ethanol they put in gas is horrible for small 2 stroke engines.
[22:11:16] <tjb1> Horrible for all engines...
[22:11:26] <r00t4rd3d> or any 2 stroke really
[22:11:28] <tjb1> I almost have to tear down my fourwheeler carbs yearly
[22:11:46] <r00t4rd3d> take the bowl off atleast is good practice
[22:12:25] <r00t4rd3d> with the boat engine i would clean the carb and put a new plug in it
[22:12:31] <r00t4rd3d> for starters
[22:12:37] <tjb1> Has new plugs
[22:12:46] <tjb1> All this talk about de-carbing it
[22:12:52] <tjb1> Try that tomorrow if I can
[22:12:58] <tjb1> Seaform
[22:13:00] <Tom_itx> fuel filter
[22:13:01] <tjb1> *seafoam
[22:13:12] <r00t4rd3d> i use seafoam, just add it to my gas
[22:13:21] <tjb1> We did add it to the gas
[22:13:45] <tjb1> but this method they use like 1 gallon of gas and 3/4 seafoam, then run until warm, spray it in sparkplug holes, run and then spray in carb
[22:13:55] <tjb1> 3/4 can of seafoam
[22:14:12] <r00t4rd3d> it will never run with that much
[22:14:44] <tjb1> http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?p=2648076#post2648076
[22:15:57] <r00t4rd3d> have you ever cleaned the carb on it?
[22:16:02] <r00t4rd3d> or done a compression test
[22:16:25] <tjb1> It runs great once you get it running
[22:16:32] <tjb1> runs good forward wide open
[22:20:19] <r00t4rd3d> back to have you ever cleaned the carb
[22:21:06] <tjb1> no
[22:22:16] <r00t4rd3d> you should, and just dumping or running seafoam through it dont count as cleaning
[22:22:38] <tjb1> I know this...
[22:22:45] <r00t4rd3d> bread tie wire and air compressor
[22:22:49] <tjb1> The seafoam isnt for the carb
[22:23:19] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt there is enough carbon built up in the cylinder to effect how it runs.
[22:23:56] <r00t4rd3d> a 4 stroke maybe, valves wont close all the way, etc
[22:26:17] <r00t4rd3d> if you take the carb off you should be able to look down the intake and see what the carbon situation is
[22:27:17] <r00t4rd3d> if it is bad, just dump some seafoam down in there while you clean the carb
[22:27:52] <tjb1> Ill see tomorrow
[22:28:10] <tjb1> Need to get a service manual for this thing…cant find any information on how to sync the timing on it but everyone talks about doing it
[22:29:07] <r00t4rd3d> not sure how you time a 2 stroke :/
[22:29:31] <tjb1> ?
[22:30:21] <r00t4rd3d> "sync the timing"
[22:30:50] <r00t4rd3d> i dont know boat engines so i guess its something I dont know
[22:31:22] <tjb1> Most of the information about this motor includes something having to do with the tiller handle which this motor doesnt have as it is controlled by controls on the console...
[22:32:41] <r00t4rd3d> tiller to remote
[22:32:58] <r00t4rd3d> probably has an adapter of some kind
[22:33:58] <tjb1> But the throttle is now controlled by the lever that also does the shifting
[22:34:06] <tjb1> I cant just change the throttle like a lot of them say
[22:34:49] <r00t4rd3d> no neutral ?
[22:35:04] <tjb1> Yes
[22:36:10] <tjb1> " The twist grip does have a position marked as "START". "
[22:38:32] <tjb1> I just hate working on this boat motor...
[22:45:59] <jdh> how big is the motor, how many cylinders, how many carbs?
[22:46:41] <r00t4rd3d> im guessing small, 1,1
[22:46:49] <r00t4rd3d> 75ish
[22:47:18] <r00t4rd3d> built in 1972
[22:47:35] <tjb1> 9.9
[22:47:39] <tjb1> 9 . 9
[22:47:42] <tjb1> 1989
[22:47:47] <tjb1> 1 carb
[22:47:47] <tjb1> 2 cylinder
[22:47:59] <r00t4rd3d> wow i was way off
[22:48:28] <r00t4rd3d> and thats why i dont play the lottery
[22:49:21] <jdh> low speed jets clog easily
[22:49:34] <r00t4rd3d> pilot jet
[22:49:57] <jdh> the seafoam/gas really does work well for decarb'ing. look for "dunks method"
[22:50:18] <tjb1> Do you know where to find info on how to link and sync?
[22:50:31] <jdh> it's in the service manual
[22:50:36] <tjb1> of course :)
[22:50:52] <jdh> there are tutorials on the web too.
[22:51:16] <jdh> what kind of motor?
[22:51:41] <jdh> I have some omc & merc manual
[22:51:42] <tjb1> johnson
[22:51:48] <r00t4rd3d> big johnson?
[22:52:25] <jdh> I don't know if you really sync&link a single carb
[22:52:28] <r00t4rd3d> they are trying to sell Journey tickets where i live for 75 bucks lol
[22:52:51] <tjb1> Well it has the roller on top
[22:53:13] <tjb1> and the plastic ramp on the timing part but thats about all I can find, no real info on how to set them
[22:55:08] <jdh> my previous boat had a 200hp johnson, I don't miss it.
[22:55:26] <tjb1> Do you put the 16oz into the 3/4 gallon?
[22:55:45] <tjb1> or run it off the 3/4 and then suck the seafoam in while running?
[22:55:45] <jdh> but, for a little motor, I'd not touch the linkages/timing until I cleaned the carb.
[22:56:10] <jdh> I get a gallon jug, put a bottle of seafoam in, fill to 1 gallon with premix
[22:56:22] <tjb1> alright
[22:56:31] <tjb1> Should the bulb lose pressure after running?
[22:56:34] <jdh> them I pour part of that in a spray bottle.
[22:56:34] <tjb1> or stay tight
[22:56:40] <jdh> should stay firm
[22:56:46] <tjb1> Problem number 2...
[22:57:11] <jdh> not much suction on those. The fuel pickup can't be a lot lower than the motor
[22:57:13] <tjb1> Brand new hose and tank
[22:57:25] <tjb1> pickup is higher
[22:57:29] <tjb1> bulb is even higher
[22:58:04] <jdh> new ventless tank?
[22:58:08] <tjb1> No, it has vent
[22:58:12] <tjb1> and opened
[22:58:17] <jdh> wow, where did you find one with a vent?
[22:58:24] <tjb1> Well its not "new"
[22:58:32] <tjb1> Couple years old but hasnt been used a lot
[22:58:48] <tjb1> The hose is brand spankin new
[22:59:11] <tjb1> My dad clamping the hose onto the rail to keep it out of the way of the steering arm, could that be why it is losing pressure?
[22:59:14] <tjb1> *clamped
[22:59:37] <tjb1> The bulb is now about 12" higher than the tank and and about 18" higher than the motor connection
[22:59:42] <jdh> shouldn't if it doesn't compress the hose
[23:00:06] <jdh> it won't stay hard like you pumped it, but should stay full.
[23:00:39] <tjb1> Couldnt hurt to rebuild the pump either
[23:00:48] <jdh> heh, not much to rebuild.
[23:01:01] <jdh> but, if it isn't leaking it's probably fine
[23:01:15] <tjb1> Thats good, doesnt look easy to get off
[23:01:46] <jdh> gummed up carbs are pretty common.
[23:01:51] <tjb1> The idle speed knob doesnt seem to do much of anything
[23:02:09] <tjb1> Its either stumbling or barely running
[23:02:33] <jdh> idle air, or the set screw that holds the throttle open?
[23:03:22] <tjb1> idle air
[23:03:43] <jdh> does it have a shift selector switch that kills one of the cylinders when you go between idle and forward/reverse?
[23:03:59] <tjb1> Got a picture?
[23:05:01] <jdh> no, it would be a cam operated switch hit by the shifter. As it just goes out of neutral, it trips a switch.
[23:05:27] <jdh> both plugs get hot? same color?
[23:05:43] <tjb1> We just replaced plugs, I will check them
[23:05:55] <tjb1> I know when in reverse it sputters
[23:06:04] <tjb1> like its on a limiter or something, but forward it runs great
[23:06:39] <jdh> dunno about ones that small. Bigger ones kill half the cylinders when shifting to make getting in gear easier
[23:06:44] <tjb1> http://www.marineengine.com/parts/johnson-evinrude-parts.php?year=1989&hp=9.9&model=E10SELCES&manufacturer=Evinrude&section=Ignition
[23:06:48] <tjb1> That part on there?
[23:07:34] <jdh> don't see it.
[23:08:16] <tjb1> http://www.leeroysramblings.com/OB%20images/broken_cam.JPG
[23:08:20] <jdh> I think OMC calls it a shift interupter
[23:08:28] <tjb1> It has that thing I can adjust, the red arrow is pointing to it
[23:08:36] <tjb1> This is part of the link and sync
[23:08:42] <tjb1> Not broken of course
[23:08:53] <jdh> is that the timing adavance adjustment?
[23:09:39] <tjb1> This is a position where the timing plate's cam positions the carburetor arm to where the ideal setting is for starting in relationship to the flywheel magnets & points or CDI sensors.
[23:09:58] <tjb1> So im guessing its just syncing the plate with the timing
[23:11:32] <jdh> dunno, my knowledge only involves things that have gone wrong on mine :)
[23:12:00] <tjb1> I shall try to get carb off tomorrow
[23:12:03] <tjb1> See how that goes
[23:12:22] <tjb1> I hope it is a carb problem
[23:12:34] <jdh> when my little merc starts doing that, I tilt the motor up, pump fuel through it, cycle it up and down a few times, and it usually helps.
[23:12:57] <jdh> or backflush the carbs with gas.
[23:13:09] <jdh> almost always crapped up carbs. I
[23:13:12] <tjb1> Ill just tear it all the way down and pull everything out
[23:13:35] <jdh> I kill the motor by pulling the fuel line off and sucking all teh gas out of the carbs
[23:13:55] <tjb1> yeah when we load it, we take full line off and then run it full throttle until out
[23:14:33] <jdh> there are tiny passages in those carbs
[23:15:03] <tjb1> air and carb cleaner
[23:15:04] <jdh> I have a pair of 4-stroke suzukis on my current boat. They are so much ncier.
[23:15:05] <tjb1> :)
[23:15:29] <jdh> air, carb cleaner, and maybe a strand of wire
[23:16:24] <tjb1> That would be just lovely if that is all I have to do
[23:16:31] <jdh> http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=294072
[23:19:32] <tjb1> up into 70s
[23:27:02] <tjb1> jdh: do you know if it is normal for water to come out of #5 when the motor is hot - http://www.marineengine.com/parts/evinrude-johnson-parts-diagrams/JOHNSON/49869.gif
[23:28:32] <jdh> no clue, I cant' even tell what that would be.
[23:29:20] <tjb1> its got 8-10 holes in it
[23:30:08] <jdh> does it have through-hub exhaust?
[23:30:36] <tjb1> yes
[23:31:54] <tjb1> #5 is called the muffler
[23:32:00] <jdh> could it be spitting water out of there due to exhaust prssure?
[23:32:07] <jdh> whack
[23:32:18] <tjb1> Dunno
[23:32:23] <tjb1> This motor just drives me nuts
[23:33:08] <jdh> are the internal fuel hoses ethanol rated?
[23:33:10] <tjb1> Ill update you tomorrow if you're on
[23:33:19] <tjb1> Not sure
[23:33:38] <jdh> might check. ethanol sucks.
[23:33:50] <tjb1> Well thanks for the info
[23:33:52] <jdh> not so bad for external tanks with easily replaceable fule lines though
[23:33:55] <tjb1> Ill try the dunks method
[23:34:08] <jdh> I'd clean the carbs first.
[23:34:16] <tjb1> Im doin both ;)
[23:34:32] <jdh> dunks method is really for de-carb'ing the motor but I've only noticed that due to losing top end
[23:54:45] <ktchk> Hi want to print the "Axis quick reference" from file, does any one know the fle name?