#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-08-02

[00:17:15] <taiden> i'm excited then
[00:17:22] <taiden> should solve a lot of problems
[00:17:38] <taiden> i got insane video artifacts today in the middle of a cut
[00:17:57] <taiden> lost enough steps to put my bit right into a steel fastener I use on my jig
[00:18:16] <taiden> was like 2 inches off where it should have been
[00:18:38] <r00t4rd3d> intel atom d525
[00:18:43] <taiden> today has been a total nightmare
[00:19:21] <taiden> yeah i need to be cutting yesterday though, i had an amazon wishlist all ready but the amazon prime dealer with the d525mw sold out
[00:19:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[00:19:48] <taiden> i had considered getting a d525 barebones PC but didn't know if they would work out
[00:20:39] <r00t4rd3d> are you using nvidia proprietary drivers?
[00:20:39] <taiden> thanks for the ebay ad
[00:20:42] <taiden> nope
[00:20:44] <taiden> vesa
[00:20:44] <taiden> but
[00:20:46] <taiden> it's hardware
[00:20:55] <taiden> if i tap the case i get insane video artifacts
[00:21:05] <taiden> i cleaned everything out today and it was fine for a few hours
[00:21:37] <r00t4rd3d> sounds like something is lose
[00:21:42] <taiden> yes
[00:21:52] <taiden> i think the pins in the agp slot are wonky
[00:22:05] <taiden> it's really strange
[00:22:07] <r00t4rd3d> bend them out with a pin
[00:22:31] <taiden> if the p4 doesn't work out i'll give it a go
[00:22:34] <taiden> that computer is really odd
[00:22:45] <taiden> randomly crashes, caps look fine, powersupply is brand new
[00:22:49] <r00t4rd3d> d525 just work
[00:22:56] <r00t4rd3d> all you need is memory for them
[00:23:16] <taiden> i was reading about someone on the linuxcnc forums who was getting like 20k latency with his
[00:23:20] <taiden> which kind of weirded me out
[00:23:26] <taiden> maybe it was 12k
[00:23:46] <taiden> but it's def top of the list
[00:24:00] <taiden> had it been available on amazon prime i would have ordered a new box todya
[00:24:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAMAXEL-4GB-DDR3-2x2GB-PC3-10600S-1333MHz-Laptop-Memory-Mac-Thinkpad-HP-Dell-RAM-/360471258746?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item53edc2e67a
[00:25:16] <r00t4rd3d> fill it with mem for 14 bucks
[00:26:13] <taiden> yeah
[00:26:20] <taiden> then ssd and case :)
[00:26:46] <r00t4rd3d> cut a case and use a usb thumb drive
[00:27:52] <r00t4rd3d> i just use a regular sata drive in mine
[00:30:06] <taiden> you can reliably run ubuntu off a usb thumb drive?
[00:30:57] <taiden> doesn't that cause issues with limited block rewrites ?
[00:30:59] <r00t4rd3d> never tried
[00:31:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://askrprojects.net/other/minicase.html
[00:31:11] <r00t4rd3d> that is a cool little case, dxf file too
[00:31:34] <taiden> that is relaly cool
[00:31:40] <taiden> what is that breakout board looking thing on the left?
[00:31:44] <taiden> pcie slot?
[00:32:17] <r00t4rd3d> power
[00:34:45] <taiden> this is a really cool site
[00:39:59] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=mini+itx&styp=m&scoring=t&btnG=Search
[00:40:07] <r00t4rd3d> a few more mini itx case models
[00:41:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=334b72bb2ad9a57a5599acd1021b314d&prevstart=0
[00:41:49] <r00t4rd3d> thats nice
[00:45:12] <taiden> admn
[00:45:13] <taiden> damn
[00:45:14] <taiden> that is nice
[00:45:34] <taiden> if i could forego the ssd for a usb drive
[00:45:43] <taiden> and the case i could be all in for about $120
[00:46:14] <taiden> whats the dela with the power supply for the d525?
[00:46:33] <taiden> i have an atx 450 watt that i just bought but i imagine it would be overkill and too big
[00:54:45] <r00t4rd3d> it would work
[00:55:01] <r00t4rd3d> that power supply in that one case is an external power supply
[00:56:06] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-12V-120W-DC-to-DC-ITX-ATX-Car-Power-Supply-Convertor-Fit-Auomobile-Vehicle-/300724288461?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4604907bcd
[00:56:17] <r00t4rd3d> that is what you are seeing, you just use a wall wart with them
[00:56:51] <r00t4rd3d> just allows you to use a smaller case, less heat, etc.
[02:08:05] <DJ9DJ> moin
[08:40:28] <skunkworks> JT-Shop, Your glade tutorial is neat.. I really need some time to play with it.
[08:47:37] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: thanks, I had fun trying to figure out what the heck did what so I thought I would share
[08:48:52] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Maybe you'll know; Are these basically both the same? I'm looking to cleanly cut 30ga (0.10) sheet stock... benchtop: http://www.print1.co.uk/DM9000%20&%20DM9001.%20copy.jpg - VS- benchmount: http://productimages.grainger.com/is/image/Grainger/4YG37_AS01?rect=0,512,528,811&scl=1&id=24ptX1 both being 12"
[08:48:56] <archivist> fixing/making docs is a good self teaching system :)
[08:49:12] <Jymmm> 0.010"
[08:50:14] <skunkworks> the dayton one looks a lot better IMHO
[08:50:24] <Jymmm> There's a huge price difference between the two...
[08:50:31] <skunkworks> I bet
[08:50:36] <Jymmm> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=577&PARTPG=INLMK3&PMITEM=130-5700
[08:50:54] <Jymmm> top and bottom of that page... $100 vs $500
[08:51:01] <skunkworks> the first ones looks like a glroified paper cutter
[08:51:15] <Jymmm> yeah
[08:51:36] <Jymmm> But it specifically states for cutting what I want.
[08:51:39] <archivist> I use paper scissors on tinplate
[08:52:00] <Jymmm> archivist: I'm getting a wave effect on the cut edge
[08:52:01] <skunkworks> for .010 - it will probably work ok..
[08:52:06] <archivist> large metal shears are useless for thin plate
[08:52:41] <Jymmm> archivist: explain 'useless'?
[08:53:07] <archivist> folds between the blades instead of cutting
[08:54:32] <Jymmm> archivist: I understand what you're saying, but that last link I gave at the bottom of it's page specifcally states 0.020" material
[08:54:57] <skunkworks> we have a old shear that cuts thin stuff just fine. (well - on the sharp end ;) )
[08:55:15] <Jymmm> skunkworks: like the benchmount I showed?
[08:55:28] <skunkworks> no - old floor model
[08:55:45] <Jymmm> skunkworks: but not like the paper cutter looking one
[08:55:45] <archivist> you have to keep them adjusted for thin work
[08:55:57] <JT-Shop> and sharp
[08:56:51] <Jymmm> archivist: adjusted like once (a year) or so, or more frequently? I dont intend on cutting thicker stuff
[08:57:54] <Jymmm> I tried cutting using scissors, but I get a scalloped effect on the cut edge.
[08:58:28] <archivist> sharpness and angle etc matters
[08:58:53] <archivist> and I roll the edge after
[08:59:50] <Jymmm> archivist: have a pic by chance?
[09:00:57] <archivist> of what http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_07_27_tinware/IMG_0797.JPG
[09:01:41] <archivist> and the other pic the directory, .009" iirc
[09:03:06] <Jymmm> It was the rolled edge I was wanting to see.
[09:03:30] <Jymmm> Unless I'm thinking something else 'rolled'
[09:03:44] <archivist> I use a ball race and a sheet of steel as an anvil to flatten
[09:04:30] <archivist> the tin bath has a cheating rolled edge (wire soldered on)
[09:05:18] <Jymmm> Ok, so basically you are "folding over" the material to have a clean finished edge?
[09:05:38] <archivist> no I flatten....
[09:06:18] <archivist> the curve from cutting is what I flatten
[09:06:28] <Jymmm> ah
[09:07:01] <archivist> you can also hold very close to the shear to get less bend
[09:09:45] <Jymmm> archivist: by bend, you mean curve in the overall length of the material that's being cut?
[09:10:48] <archivist> and the curve at right angles to that (edge curve)
[09:11:21] <Jymmm> oh, ok. I'm looking at a piece I cut and see what you're talking about now.
[09:12:13] <Jymmm> Since many of you do PCB's... http://www.prc68.com/I/12InShear.shtml
[09:13:17] <Jymmm> I wanted Andy to see this... kinda cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUR17SFxCo&feature=player_embedded
[09:15:18] <Jymmm> Die sizes: 1/8" to 1-1/4" (1/8" increments).
[09:22:55] <Jymmm> Got Fingers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAW0xT18wSU
[09:25:04] <Jymmm> Looks like they've put it thru a lot of use too!
[09:36:06] <Jymmm> HAHAHAHAHAHA Does this sound familiar to anyone by chance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQiLKdv67FE&feature=player_detailpage#t=343s
[10:49:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Have you ever seen something like this before? It's a hybrid arbor press + automatic center punch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5g1XV2Sx6s&feature=player_embedded
[11:00:22] <JT-Shop> no
[11:04:40] <JT-Shop> might get some rail
[11:06:44] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[11:07:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you might get some linear rail? whatcha makin?
[11:07:47] <JT-Shop> rain
[11:08:13] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: so 85F + rain? Nice
[11:08:28] <JT-Shop> I think I might make a half of a sandwich though
[11:08:33] <JT-Shop> yea
[12:09:16] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[12:36:38] <zoni1983> anyone there
[12:40:29] <IchGuckLive> ye3s
[12:40:29] <jdh> he is --->
[12:41:29] <zoni1983> ayone techinal
[12:42:20] <syyl> technical is a wide range
[12:43:00] <zoni1983> i want to retrofit a hurco with analogue drive and 2500 ppr encoder
[12:43:37] <zoni1983> can any one suggest what should i use vital or mesa
[12:47:16] <archivist> most in here would probably say mesa, dunno who vital is
[12:47:45] <zoni1983> vitalsystem montenc-lite
[12:48:15] <skunkworks> I vote mesa
[12:48:40] <skunkworks> I have used their hardware and am very happy with it.
[12:48:57] <zoni1983> what rapid can i get with 2500 ppr
[12:49:13] <archivist> enough
[12:49:42] <archivist> servo and mass effect your rapids
[12:49:57] <IchGuckLive> mesa 5i25 7i77
[12:50:48] <skunkworks> that is not the right question. The mesa hardware can count your encoders into the mhz...
[12:51:02] <zoni1983> yaskawa drives and motors
[12:51:28] <zoni1983> how much mhz
[12:51:47] <skunkworks> how are you planning to interface with the drives?
[12:52:05] <skunkworks> ah - analog. sorry
[12:52:24] <zoni1983> u should suggest
[12:52:36] * skunkworks likes analog...
[12:53:42] <zoni1983> which daughter card 7i77
[12:54:37] <skunkworks> THe 7i48 says it counts to 4mhz - 8 if it is multiplex freq selected.. (don't know what that means) This is the interface card I am using
[12:54:56] <skunkworks> how much i/o do you need?
[12:55:02] <skunkworks> how many axis?
[12:55:44] <zoni1983> 4 axis and 24 tool changer
[12:55:48] <skunkworks> (I am using the 5i20 board)
[12:57:34] <skunkworks> (actually 2 5i20 boards)
[12:57:52] <skunkworks> people seem to like the 5i25 - but I have no experience with it)
[12:58:11] <zoni1983> which card for for analogue
[12:58:31] <syyl> yaskawa servopack?
[13:03:27] <IchGuckLive> i sell 2 yaskawas todad on ebay
[13:04:07] <IchGuckLive> sold B)
[13:04:32] <jdh> I bought 1 yesterday
[13:04:37] <jdh> ordered anyway
[13:05:12] <IchGuckLive> the Xtradrives go out of stock so the change will fload the market
[13:06:04] <archivist> zoni1983, a makers name (yaskawa) without a model name/number means little
[13:07:02] <IchGuckLive> they will get all omron products of there name
[13:07:04] <zoni1983> it is an old machine hurco bmc10l
[13:07:19] <zoni1983> 1985
[13:07:27] <IchGuckLive> zoni1983: where are you from Country
[13:09:28] <zoni1983> which daughter card of mesa with 5i20 or 5i25
[13:09:45] <archivist> depends on needs
[13:10:00] <zoni1983> which need
[13:10:13] <archivist> yours
[13:10:46] <archivist> we do not know exactly what you are going to do, you need to do some research
[13:10:49] <zoni1983> i need for +-10 volt for drive
[13:11:35] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Yaskawa-Servopack-656-MR-5-/271026366142?pt=Motoren_Getriebe&hash=item3f1a6e26be Yaskawa servo power DC 270-325V 50A
[13:11:41] <IchGuckLive> 1 Euro
[13:12:18] <jdh> we aren't discussing that, we are discussing wang and chang
[13:12:24] <jdh> <urk>
[13:13:49] <JT-Shop> zoni1983: is this +-10vdc for a velocity input to a servo drive?
[13:15:18] <IchGuckLive> nice he left
[13:15:30] <IchGuckLive> in the middle of the discuss
[13:16:01] <micges> maybe he's disconnected
[13:16:12] <JT-Shop> happens to me a lot
[13:16:33] <micges> 7i33 counts 1MHz encoder in TTL mode and 10MHz in differential mode
[13:16:45] <IchGuckLive> someone in the usa effected by Wildfire or Drought
[13:16:50] <micges> ^^ maybe he'll back :)
[13:20:57] <IchGuckLive> im off By
[13:26:48] <taiden> It's amazing
[13:26:56] <taiden> I can't find a single 3 inch floppy disk in my whole house
[13:26:57] <archivist> his ip puts him in PK so a language problem too
[13:27:25] <taiden> and all i want to do is update my bios ;P
[13:27:42] <cradek> when you find one it'll be bad
[13:27:46] <archivist> I found loads of floppies today...wasnt looking for them though was looking for a handle
[13:27:49] <cradek> you need a box of 10 at the minimum
[13:28:29] <cradek> I did this recently too - I went to goodwill and bought two new boxes
[13:28:51] <taiden> you can buy boxes of floppys at good will?
[13:29:05] <cradek> if you live somewhere as awesome as I do, yes
[13:29:17] <cradek> we have a special goodwill that they send all the city's electronic junk to
[13:29:26] <taiden> where is that pray tell?
[13:29:41] <cradek> Lincoln NE
[13:29:45] <cradek> US
[13:30:05] <taiden> I live in a place where everyone is so frugal
[13:30:10] <taiden> that these places dont exist haha
[13:30:34] <taiden> anyone want to take bets on if i can update the bios from a CD?
[13:30:37] <cradek> http://journalstar.com/business/local/article_aed60d5c-d9a5-545d-9eaf-d25b5b0dec29.html
[13:31:27] <taiden> that's amazin
[13:31:27] <taiden> g
[13:32:39] <taiden> a friend dropped off an old P4 desktop today
[13:32:46] <taiden> this thing doesn't have the option to boot from USB
[13:32:53] <taiden> or turn off hyperthreading in bios haha
[13:33:16] <cradek> taiden: I've used a cd with a floppy image on it, but I don't immediately see the right mkisofs option
[13:33:55] <taiden> cross your fingers
[13:59:33] <skunkworks> taiden, if you had an old win98 cd - you could boot to dos to run the bios updater.
[14:03:32] <cradek> freedos has a bootable cd, too
[14:05:56] <taiden> does it?
[14:06:09] <taiden> i'll try that
[14:06:16] <taiden> might be nice to have regardless
[14:06:35] <cradek> a lot of bios updaters will ONLY work from a floppy
[14:06:44] <cradek> you'd probably be time ahead to just go get a floppy
[14:06:51] <taiden> i just went to go find one
[14:07:03] <taiden> had no luck
[14:07:06] <taiden> also the CD didn't work
[14:09:52] <taiden> and best buy and staples dont have any in store, believe it or not
[14:25:33] <L84Supper> have you looked at flashrom for reflashing the BIOS?
[14:26:09] <L84Supper> taiden: http://flashrom.org/Flashrom
[14:27:23] <taiden> whoa
[14:27:28] <taiden> i haven't
[14:27:38] <taiden> anythig worth mentioning about it before i dive in?
[14:28:04] <L84Supper> also check if there is coreboot support, but it will require some effort even if it is supported
[14:28:49] <L84Supper> it's always best to have a backup flash device for BIOS
[14:29:42] <taiden> i suppose i could run it from a livecd?
[14:29:51] <L84Supper> taiden, read up on it all first, these no close enough in flashing a BIOS
[14:30:07] <taiden> yeah
[14:30:20] <taiden> I suppose the first thing to do is check the compatibility list for whatever my motherboard is
[14:30:21] <L84Supper> yeah, we created a flashrom live cd, it was based on debian
[14:31:02] <L84Supper> I haven't been keeping up but you can run it and see what it detects for chipset ad flash device
[14:31:28] <L84Supper> #flashrom is also available
[14:31:54] <L84Supper> http://flashrom.org/Board_Testing_HOWTO
[14:33:26] <L84Supper> http://flashrom.org/Live_CD
[14:51:37] <skunkworks> andypugh, did you try your spindle encoder?
[14:52:28] <andypugh> Yes. It works nicely.
[14:52:37] <skunkworks> Neat!
[14:52:49] <andypugh> Did you see the pictures?
[14:52:50] <skunkworks> how many count per rev did it end up?
[14:52:57] <skunkworks> I saw the cover and the gear
[14:53:07] <andypugh> 84 cpr
[14:54:00] <andypugh> I wish I had put the connector left and down a bit: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/xLQQyKpGjW-i3pr9W9F89NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[14:54:52] <skunkworks> nice
[14:55:21] <skunkworks> so I was close at 20 teeth :)
[14:55:47] <andypugh> 5% out
[15:00:43] <skunkworks> andypugh, how far along is that machine? are axis hooked up?
[15:02:18] <L84Supper> has anyone ever come across suppliers of miniature consumer grade plastic positioners/actuators
[15:03:17] <L84Supper> positioners the size of what you might find inside a DVD drives
[15:03:26] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_pneumatics
[15:04:48] <L84Supper> I have a Mindstorms set around here I bought for my son a few years ago
[15:05:27] <L84Supper> easy enough to make, but if you only need a 100 or so I'd rather just buy something if available
[15:05:32] <archivist> andypugh, Im going to fit an inbetween plate so no drilling
[15:05:43] <Jymmm> andypugh: Found something... $265 USD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUR17SFxCo&feature=player_embedded
[15:06:44] <archivist> those lego pneumatics hold pressure well
[15:07:56] <Jymmm> are they still available?
[15:08:22] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischertechnik nylon t(-ish) slot
[15:14:06] <L84Supper> http://powerfunctions.lego.com/en-us/Products/8049.aspx looks like they include the pneumatics in this set
[15:18:19] * Loetmichel has just done something against the blue swarf in the shirts collar... (2mm lexan works a miracle here) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13480
[15:21:21] <skunkworks> andypugh, was your inside out brushless motor for this project?
[15:21:34] <andypugh> skunkworks: Ever heard of "completion anxiety"
[15:21:51] <skunkworks> yes - I have it (atleast my wife thinks so)
[15:21:52] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Mindstorms#Programming_languages_2 the list of software has grown
[15:22:08] <andypugh> That motor joins the mill on the list of things I don't want to finish.
[15:22:10] <Tom_itx> skunkworks what mill is that?
[15:22:30] <Tom_itx> the table is just too shiny
[15:22:34] <andypugh> I think that is why I like software, it is never finished.
[15:22:38] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, what mill?
[15:22:46] <archivist> I want all jobs done, just cannot decide which to do
[15:22:50] <Tom_itx> err wrong nick...
[15:22:55] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel
[15:22:59] <Tom_itx> i'm tired
[15:23:00] <skunkworks> heh
[15:23:30] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: selfbuild
[15:23:38] <Loetmichel> but really tiny
[15:23:51] <Loetmichel> 200mm*110mm*110mm movement
[15:24:23] <Tom_itx> steel table?
[15:24:35] <Loetmichel> aluminium
[15:24:44] <Loetmichel> here is a better view: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569
[15:26:03] <Tom_itx> oh, that is smaller than my sherline
[15:26:07] <Tom_itx> as far as travel goes anyway
[15:26:18] <Tom_itx> you got a decent spindle on it at least
[15:31:19] <L84Supper> http://www.willowgarage.com/pages/software/ros-platform anyone ever work with ROS? any comments on it?
[15:32:13] <L84Supper> http://www.ros.org/wiki/
[15:36:10] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: china ;-)
[15:36:31] <L84Supper> http://www.willowgarage.com/pages/pr2/order $400,000.00 + Taxes and Shipping
[15:38:02] <L84Supper> for $400K it should include attachments for edm, mill and lathe
[15:38:27] * Loetmichel puts burn ointment on his... (whats that called whre the arteria carotis is? Neck?)
[15:40:56] <andypugh> Yes, neck
[15:41:10] <andypugh> Hot swarf down collar? I hate that
[15:44:25] <jthornton> our latest user to register on the forum makes mandolins
[15:44:45] <Loetmichel> hmm, in germany "nacken" is only the BACK of the neck... front and sides is called "hals" ... so i thought there must be another word in english also ;-)
[15:44:54] <andypugh> If they had been Ukeleles then you would ahve refused him?
[15:45:40] <jthornton> www.dearstone.com
[15:45:46] <Loetmichel> and the swarf: i am drilling the PC Slot plats with a 6mm TC drill.. 10krpm, F280 (lower rpm not possible, nor torque left there)
[15:51:54] <syyl> ah
[15:51:59] <syyl> short tour of our shop at work ;)
[15:52:00] <syyl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yq9acA7QKE
[15:54:40] <andypugh> I thought at first that you had a bandsaw with an enormous throat depth, but then I wasn't so sure.
[15:55:43] <andypugh> Nobody needs three Deckels, let me free some space up for you.
[15:56:09] <skunkworks> seems too clean
[15:56:10] <Loetmichel> tell that to his boss ;-)
[15:56:33] <syyl> we have a agreement in the shop skunkworks
[15:56:41] <syyl> if you finish your work on a machine
[15:56:44] <syyl> clean it!
[15:56:44] <cradek> weirdly quiet
[15:57:05] <djdelorie> we have that agreement in my shop too
[15:57:08] <skunkworks> syyl, what do you guys do?
[15:57:11] <djdelorie> but I'm the only one in there, and I don't listen to me anyway...
[15:57:18] <syyl> most prototyping
[15:57:39] <syyl> some fixture and test equipment building
[15:57:52] <skunkworks> neat
[15:58:44] <L84Supper> did i hear a pin drop @ 2:18 ?
[15:59:11] <syyl> i hit the lamp of the milling machine ;)
[15:59:21] <Loetmichel> it is really quiet. let me guess: it was one past five pm? ?
[15:59:46] <syyl> shop time is 07:00 to 15:00
[15:59:57] <Loetmichel> so it was 15:01?
[15:59:57] <syyl> at 17:00 theres no one
[16:00:08] <syyl> 15:45
[16:00:16] <syyl> finished a job
[16:01:21] <JT-Shop> rats I can't find my 8.04 install usb thingy
[16:03:17] <Loetmichel> let me put it this way: knowing the fame of your employer as being coser to a government agency than a company, i had heard of a fire evacuation test which faliled. and the fireman sees the employees leaving after work: "we should had ringed "end of work", not "fire alarm"... the building is completely emty at two minutes after the horn ?!?"
[16:03:46] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: should i lend you mine?
[16:03:54] <syyl> the company is known to pay good :P
[16:03:59] <syyl> THAT counts for me
[16:04:08] <L84Supper> @ 6:57 is that a digital lock on the fridge?
[16:04:18] <syyl> and its a good job
[16:04:46] <syyl> thats the oven beside the fridge
[16:04:50] <syyl> for curing glue/resin
[16:04:52] <djdelorie> heh. New policy: two minutes after the test fire alarm is pulled, lock the doors and fumigate.
[16:04:57] <Loetmichel> have it right here in my pocket... with the usb stick with 10.04 EMC, the usbstick with acronis, the usbstick with ubuntu 12.04, the usbstick for private data and the usbstick for company data ;-)
[16:07:51] <L84Supper> erfi ergotig, in the US it's mostly Lincoln or Miller
[16:08:16] <Loetmichel> syyl: i just had some fun with equipment of your emplyer... the pbx had gone dead, emanating some fishy fumes... Octopus F400...
[16:08:44] <Loetmichel> like the techie said: "wollense was g'scheits oder darfs wieder von siemens sein?"
[16:08:49] <syyl> thats not anymore our company
[16:08:50] <L84Supper> what are the popular brands of MIG/TIG welders in the UK?
[16:08:52] <syyl> iirc
[16:10:00] <Loetmichel> ... was only 10 years old
[16:10:32] <JT-Shop> Loetmichel: if you can toss it this far I can catch it
[16:10:38] <andypugh> L84Supper: ESAB?
[16:11:03] <andypugh> Oxford
[16:11:12] <Loetmichel> have it up and running again, only some 10 Caps, 470µF 16V and 2cm^2 of rebuild pcb and traces later ;-)
[16:11:30] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: over the big pond iirc? not likely ;-)
[16:12:08] <andypugh> L84Supper: Also Lincoln/Sealey
[16:12:15] <syyl> hobart?
[16:12:23] <syyl> or is that more US?
[16:12:27] <JT-Shop> that and half way across
[16:12:36] <L84Supper> Hobart is a distant 3rd in the US
[16:16:53] <andypugh> I forgot SIP
[16:17:34] <L84Supper> I see ESAB around here as well. mostly TIG
[16:20:41] <L84Supper> I wonder what airport security would do if you tried to carry a portable xray machine onboard?
[16:20:49] <L84Supper> http://www.rstar.com/pid10249398/Mobile+industrial+NDT+x-ray+equipment.htm
[16:21:04] <L84Supper> those are expensive here
[16:21:33] <syyl> with the radiation warning logo on it?
[16:21:38] <syyl> shoot, then ask
[16:25:37] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:33:37] <JT-Shop> I must be in the twilight zone... I just made that bootable usb stick the other day when I tried to install 10.04 on the MCBOX
[16:34:11] <amaldo> syyl: Thanks for the video. Looks like a nice place to work.
[16:36:09] <JT-Shop> ah ha found that little bugger under the keyboard :)
[16:37:19] <JT-Shop> can you create an 8.04 bootable usb in 10.04
[16:44:09] <JT-Shop> looks like it is working
[17:07:58] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop yes i did it the other evening
[17:08:09] <Tom_itx> just need the right iso
[17:08:52] <Tom_itx> i may try 8.04 on this other pc just to see if i can get something to load on it
[17:11:54] <JT-Shop> it's installing on the MCBOX now
[17:12:43] <Tom_itx> well this itx is too old to run it but i have one more pc i'd like to use
[17:13:03] <Tom_itx> but every time i try to install 10.04 i get nothing but cd errors
[17:13:14] <Tom_itx> and it won't boot USB
[17:23:34] <taiden> now i get to go through the fun of figuring out which setup gives best results on my new box :)
[17:23:59] <taiden> 10.04 with vesa drivers seems to stay under 40k… now trying with nuveau
[17:24:09] <JT-Shop> andypugh: did you get your mcbox up and going?
[17:24:49] <andypugh> Sort-of. I can't see the latency test result :-/
[17:25:07] <andypugh> It ends up off the bottom of the screen
[17:25:28] <JT-Shop> I installed 8.04 but it cannot mount the usb stick so I can copy the files to the CF card
[17:25:59] <JT-Shop> and of course no network connection yet so I can't copy them that way
[17:26:22] <JT-Shop> I have a CF reader but it is in my Winblows machine
[17:29:20] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop there is a trick to mounting the usb thing
[17:29:34] <JT-Shop> searching for the trick now
[17:29:46] <Tom_itx> just a sec
[17:30:10] <Tom_L> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[17:30:18] <Tom_itx> manual about midway down
[17:30:33] <JT-Shop> thanks
[17:30:48] <Tom_itx> i had to do the same thing yesterday
[17:42:16] <taiden> any of you guys run linuxcnc of an SD card as your main storage?
[17:42:39] <taiden> i'm considering it for the d525mw box im going to start ordering parts for
[17:43:03] <taiden> i already have an internal card reader (USB) and some class 10 sd cards
[17:44:20] <andypugh> Not an SD card, but a SATA DOM, so similar.
[17:45:07] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: thanks that worked
[17:46:33] <Tom_itx> np
[17:50:15] <taiden> what made you pick the DOM?
[17:51:12] <andypugh> Easy to mount, just plug it in. And it was cheap.
[17:51:56] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150593568661?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item2310137f95#ht_2589wt_1413
[17:52:01] <andypugh> Is the exact one.
[17:54:33] <JT-Shop> ./stage1 gives me Permission denied
[17:55:03] <JT-Shop> I'm logged in as root...
[17:57:55] <djdelorie> chmod a+x ./stage1
[17:58:09] <Tom_itx> if you install 8.04 can you do the update and get 10.04 with rtai?
[17:58:19] <JT-Shop> djdelorie: thanks
[17:58:29] <djdelorie> np
[17:58:40] <Tom_itx> so far 8.04 seems to be installing on this
[18:05:04] <andypugh> No real point going to 10.04, you can run 2.5.1 on 8,04
[18:06:50] <Tom_itx> the bird is soooo ugly though
[18:07:08] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:07:25] <Tom_itx> it does seem to be working though
[18:08:14] <Tom_itx> it started to load so i stopped an stuffed in the 10.04 cd and got the cd errors again. i'm not getting those on 8.04 so far
[18:08:43] <Tom_itx> i wonder if they broke some drivers in the update
[18:13:01] <Jymmm> Heh, melted the aluminum
[18:17:46] <andypugh> Your alumimium spring?
[18:18:25] <Jymmm> I didn't even get that far =)
[18:19:00] <Tom_itx> wtf are you doing Jymmm?
[18:19:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: The same thing we do every night Pinky... TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
[18:19:55] <Tom_itx> oh give it up, i did that already. i gave it back once i found out what a mess it was
[18:20:11] <Jymmm> Is 316Ti fairly common ?
[18:20:29] <Tom_itx> how should i know
[18:20:42] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, see you just didn't have a plan is all.
[18:20:43] <Tom_itx> is there some in your kitchen?
[18:21:27] <Tom_itx> i never really bothered worrying what kind of Ti i had, i just grabbed it at the salvage
[18:21:46] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: We had mad scientist locked up in the dungeon inventing dumbass gene toxin that'll we'll toss in the water supply
[18:21:52] <Tom_itx> and the rest was always supplied to us
[18:22:21] <Tom_itx> they closed part of the mississippi today
[18:22:54] <Tom_itx> not enough water in it
[18:24:24] <taiden> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingspec-8GB-SATA-DOM-MLC-Flash-SSD-Disk-On-Module-Network-PC-Solid-State-Drive-/290726816544?pt=US_Solid_State_Drives&hash=item43b0ab2b20
[18:24:26] <taiden> holy
[18:24:29] <taiden> that is CHEAP
[18:25:03] <taiden> and fast too
[18:25:09] <DaViruz> a whole bunch of canals and canal locks have been closed here due to too much water in the rivers :()
[18:27:42] <taiden> http://i50.tinypic.com/10394w5.jpg
[18:27:46] <taiden> any thoughts ?
[18:27:54] <taiden> as i was installing 8.04
[18:28:04] <jdh> bad disk
[18:28:17] <taiden> hm
[18:28:24] <taiden> i just installed 10.04 on it with no issues
[18:28:46] <jdh> the install disk
[18:28:54] <taiden> ohhh
[18:28:59] <taiden> i'll burn another i guess
[18:28:59] <Tom_itx> i had a bad image
[18:29:04] <Tom_itx> do a checksum on the iso
[18:29:11] <taiden> alright
[18:29:13] <Tom_itx> before you waste another disk
[18:29:13] <taiden> i will do that
[18:29:17] <jdh> md5sum the iso and/or the device
[18:29:33] <taiden> i just started running the "verify disk" thing from the ubuntu boot page
[18:29:56] <taiden> will that be as accurate?
[18:31:21] <Tom_itx> how do you set 8.04 so you don't have to log in each time?
[18:32:16] <andypugh> It's an install-time option, but also under "security" I think?
[18:32:31] <JT-Shop> system > adminstration > login window
[18:32:32] <Tom_itx> ok
[18:33:04] <JT-Shop> it's only install time option on 10.04, 8.04 you had to do it on your own
[18:33:08] <Tom_itx> oh and where do they save the screen image files?
[18:33:17] <Tom_itx> i gotta get rid of this fugly thing
[18:33:28] <JT-Shop> right click on the desktop
[18:33:41] <Tom_itx> i wanna copy some over from 10.04
[18:35:08] <Tom_itx> woops
[18:36:38] <JT-Shop> andypugh: did you follow the upgrade path to 2.5.1 on the mcbox?
[18:37:45] <andypugh> Not yet. I have been working 9am to 8pm for the last 2 weeks.
[18:37:56] <JT-Shop> yikes
[18:38:58] <andypugh> Management don't seem to realise that it's all very well putting two shifts in the dyno to get the program back on track, but they still only have one engineer to provide the tests.
[18:40:45] <andypugh> (I use the word "engineer" loosely, I am not technically allowed to call myself an engineer as I have no engineering qualifications)
[18:41:04] <Tom_itx> sudo engineer
[18:41:46] <JT-Shop> but you get to blow the whistle right?
[18:42:45] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop how's your JT-Shop going since you gave us the bad news?
[18:42:46] <taiden> engineer by expensive experience not by expensive paper
[18:43:21] <andypugh> Anyway, I just realised that I spent the last week tracking down a bug in my code which I already tracked down as a hardware problem. Argh!. A wire falling out coincided with what I thought was the critical change to the code :-)
[18:43:32] <JT-Shop> I'm still pondering what to do at this point, I'm over being mad, depressed and the other usual stuff
[18:43:42] <JT-Shop> Ouch
[18:44:15] <alex4nder> andypugh: I fear dynoing without rest.
[18:44:20] <alex4nder> bad shit happens.
[18:45:32] <andypugh> alex4nder: I just need to keep the guys who drive the cell busy, but they create data quicker than it can be processed, and there is pressure to keep the (expensive) facility fully occupied.
[18:46:37] <Jymmm> FWIW... aluminum flashing at the big orange borg has a flammable coating on it =)
[18:46:45] <andypugh> The dyno is fully instrumented and environmental, ie it can control the ambient air, intake air, water and coolant from -30C to 30 ambient / 120 water/oil.
[18:47:29] <Jymmm> andypugh: Sure, but can it take you to the party in style though?
[18:48:38] <alex4nder> andypugh: yah sure
[18:48:42] <alex4nder> like keeping a machine running.
[18:49:37] <atom1> base thread: 8425 servo thread: 5201
[18:49:38] <andypugh> It's not sensible, I am sure that the cells burn fuel and manpower uselessly just to appear busy about 50% of the time
[18:49:42] <atom1> this may be a keeper
[18:51:40] <andypugh> sounds good.
[18:51:57] <alex4nder> atom1: which board?
[18:52:21] <atom1> an old pc i had sitting around
[18:52:59] <atom1> amd
[18:53:11] <atom1> 3200? maybe
[18:54:21] <atom1> it's the one i had trouble loading 10.04 on
[18:58:15] <andypugh> Sanity check. I just told someone on the forum that 10hp was a lot for a 13" lathe spindle. Am I right?
[18:58:40] <atom1> probably
[18:59:09] <atom1> 5 would be more like it
[18:59:32] <andypugh> Colchester use 3hp on their latest Student model
[18:59:42] <taiden> i wish i had 8k/5k
[19:00:13] <andypugh> My main machine runs at 18k and is absolutely fine with a 7i43
[19:00:19] <atom1> i suppose it depends what you plan to turn too
[19:00:28] <atom1> if you're gonna do mostly steel i'd go with 5
[19:00:55] <andypugh> I have 1hp, and I think I need back-gears more than I need more power.
[19:02:25] <atom1> mmm 8.04 doesn't ask if i want an icon on the desktop for linuxcnc
[19:02:40] <atom1> how do i get one that points to the config i wanna use?
[19:04:21] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/1aI3u.jpg
[19:04:25] <r00t4rd3d> 50 spot
[19:04:45] <JT-Shop> atom1: did you find more desktop images?
[19:05:15] <atom1> no, i wanna copy them over from 10 and use some
[19:05:28] <atom1> i don't know where they're at though
[19:06:21] <atom1> trying to get the rest of this set up first
[19:23:37] <atom1> ok it dies when it tries to load halui
[19:24:13] <atom1> Starting HAL User Interface program: halui, Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC
[19:24:57] <andypugh> dmesg?
[19:25:28] <atom1> it loads sim ok
[19:25:33] <r00t4rd3d> i say dmesh like a mexican
[19:25:38] <r00t4rd3d> dmesg*
[19:26:06] <r00t4rd3d> speedy gonzalis
[19:26:11] <atom1> i copied the config files over from 10.04 that i've been using
[19:26:17] <atom1> hang on i'll get dmesg
[19:26:25] <r00t4rd3d> tail -f it
[19:26:29] <r00t4rd3d> in a term
[19:26:40] <r00t4rd3d> tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[19:26:54] <r00t4rd3d> run your app and wait for errors
[19:27:23] <r00t4rd3d> real time! none of that sifting through a huge log
[19:28:02] <r00t4rd3d> like looking for a piece of corn in a pile of shit
[19:29:06] <andypugh> I would normally buy a new piece.
[19:29:51] <r00t4rd3d> recycle man!
[19:31:12] <Tom_L> andypugh, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/dmesg_text.txt
[19:31:25] <r00t4rd3d> corn hunt!
[19:31:28] <Tom_L> maybe a parport setting?
[19:31:38] <Tom_L> in the bios?
[19:31:38] <andypugh> [ 3424.967306] hm2_7i43: failed to clear EPP Timeout!
[19:31:38] <andypugh> [ 3424.969299] hm2_7i43: /DONE is not low after CPLD reset!
[19:31:39] <andypugh> [ 3424.971905] hm2/hm2_7i43.0: firmware hm2/7i43-4/SVST2_4_7I47B.BIT not found
[19:31:48] <andypugh> I think the cable is unplugged
[19:31:52] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[19:31:55] <Tom_L> but it isn't
[19:31:59] <Tom_L> lemme double check
[19:32:00] <r00t4rd3d> is parport enabled?
[19:32:25] <Tom_L> lemme check the bios
[19:33:32] <andypugh> Also note that it is not finding the Bitfile, which is a separate and equallt serious problem.
[19:35:00] <Tom_L> it should, i copied it to /lib/firmware/hm2/7i43
[19:35:16] <r00t4rd3d> as user or root?
[19:35:20] <Tom_L> sudo
[19:36:15] <andypugh> capitalisation?
[19:36:43] <r00t4rd3d> i would double check the file permissions also
[19:37:06] <r00t4rd3d> but start with the timeout error
[19:37:31] <r00t4rd3d> maybe that other stuff needs active parport
[19:38:30] <andypugh> do you know that the manual addr_hi and epp_wide are needed?
[19:39:39] <Tom_L> ?
[19:40:01] <Tom_L> i changed the bios parport mode
[19:40:05] <Tom_L> still no go
[19:40:12] <Tom_L> refresh the link
[19:40:16] <Tom_L> for dmesg
[19:40:32] <r00t4rd3d> tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[19:40:43] <Tom_L> what does that do?
[19:41:01] <r00t4rd3d> shows errors in real time
[19:41:30] <r00t4rd3d> monitors the dmesg file for changes, when changes, errors, etc happen , prints them in the terminal window
[19:41:55] <r00t4rd3d> then you dont have to sift in a big file that you never seem to clear.
[19:42:24] <Tom_L> how do you clear it?
[19:42:34] <r00t4rd3d> select all , delete
[19:42:42] <r00t4rd3d> open it as root
[19:42:56] <r00t4rd3d> sudo gedit /var/log/dmesg
[19:43:47] <r00t4rd3d> just tail it though
[19:43:55] <r00t4rd3d> copy and paste the error
[19:44:53] <atom1> does the bit file need execute permissions?
[19:45:10] <r00t4rd3d> who knows but set it to yeah
[19:45:14] <r00t4rd3d> wont hurt
[19:45:45] <r00t4rd3d> what permissions does root have of it?
[19:45:53] <r00t4rd3d> read/write?
[19:45:59] <r00t4rd3d> modify i think
[19:46:34] <atom1> should root own it?
[19:46:43] <r00t4rd3d> probably
[19:46:58] <r00t4rd3d> its a system file that loads at boot?
[19:48:12] <r00t4rd3d> ROAR!
[19:54:26] <atom1> i think i found part of it
[20:00:37] <atom1> i think i the bit files are wrong, i need to copy them from my atom
[20:06:35] <taiden> 9k / 13k
[20:06:48] <taiden> i think this second hand computer might actually be a winner
[20:06:56] <taiden> 8.04 was the key (again)
[20:09:12] <taiden> only overnight stress test will reveal the truth
[20:38:32] <Tom_L> mmm
[20:40:34] <Tom_L> says it's got the wrong firmware file for the 7i43 but i copied it from my working D525 pc
[20:41:02] <Tom_L> hm2/hm2_7i43.0: board has FPGA '3s200tq144', but the firmware in hm2/7i43-4/SVST2_4_7I47B.BIT is for FPGA '3s400tq144'
[20:41:07] <jdh> I got a similar message with a screwed u p-port
[20:42:14] <Tom_L> i changed the mode in the bios
[20:42:29] <jdh> that didn't help mine
[20:42:50] <Tom_L> afik it was a working parport, i've used it
[20:42:59] <jdh> for mesa? or just as a pport?
[20:43:16] <Tom_L> just as a parport
[20:43:24] <Tom_L> this is a new setup for mesa
[20:43:26] <Tom_L> on this pc
[20:43:37] <Tom_L> just trying to make it work since it was just sitting here
[20:43:39] <jdh> mine worked as a p-ort also. Wouldn't talk properly to th 7i43
[20:43:55] <Tom_L> what did you get as an add in?
[20:44:07] <jdh> I don't understand
[20:44:09] <Tom_L> i have some legacy parports but not for pci
[20:44:17] <Tom_L> they're all isa i think
[20:44:28] <Tom_L> did you use an add in parport card?
[20:44:34] <jdh> I think so
[20:44:35] <Tom_L> is what i was asking
[20:45:08] <Tom_L> i could look but i'm near 100% sure they're isa
[20:45:32] <jdh> I think I found a program that made it work, but I got the 525 about the same time and it might have just been that
[20:46:11] <jdh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Startech
[20:47:25] <Tom_L> i may try the bios once more
[20:47:31] <Tom_L> set it to EPP instead of both
[20:53:21] <Tom_L> that helped a bit
[20:53:23] <Tom_L> i think
[20:53:33] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/dmesg_text.txt
[20:54:21] <Tom_L> <andypugh> do you know that the manual addr_hi and epp_wide are needed?
[20:54:28] <Tom_L> what did andy mean ?
[20:54:46] <jdh> you need the two addresses.
[20:55:16] <Tom_L> hm2_7i43.0: board at (ioaddr=0x0378, ioaddr_hi=0x0778, epp_wide ON) found
[20:55:17] <Tom_L> ?
[20:55:34] <jdh> that's them
[20:55:42] <Tom_L> i wonder why it quit then
[20:55:47] <Tom_L> it loaded the firmware
[20:56:07] <jdh> run it from a console window
[20:58:07] <Tom_L> nope
[20:58:30] <jdh> no additional error message there?
[20:58:39] <Tom_L> it wrote 2 files
[21:00:39] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/linuxcnc_debug.txt
[21:00:41] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/linuxcnc_print.txt
[21:02:02] <jdh> did you copy a 2.5 config to 2.4 or something?
[21:02:21] <Tom_L> 2.5 from my atom pc
[21:02:24] <Tom_L> no
[21:02:35] <Tom_L> i ran the update first per website
[21:02:42] <jdh> and you have 2.5 here?
[21:02:48] <Tom_L> it should be
[21:02:49] <jdh> how did you copy the config over?
[21:02:55] <Tom_L> i updated it
[21:03:03] <Tom_L> thumb drive
[21:03:17] <jdh> looks like it doesn't like your ini
[21:05:06] <Tom_L> mmm
[21:05:10] <Tom_L> it runs on the other pc
[21:05:45] <jdh> without the warnings?
[21:05:59] <Tom_L> yes
[21:05:59] <Tom_L> runs fine
[21:06:14] <jdh> might try tar'ing up th config again and copy it that way
[21:06:41] <Tom_L> the parport should be ok now you think?
[21:06:49] <Tom_L> if it loaded the firmware files
[21:07:07] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2182504/Jenny-McCarthy-celebrates-Chicago-sexy-bikini-shoot.html
[21:07:28] <r00t4rd3d> 4 months from 40
[21:08:39] <jdh> dmesg looks the same as mine
[21:10:03] <Tom_L> i'm gonna run some updates and see what happens
[21:10:18] <Tom_L> i got a message about some timing thing being 'tainted'
[21:11:04] <jdh> that's nothing
[21:11:11] <Tom_L> i'm gonna switch the parport back to both and change the dma channel and see what happens
[21:11:19] <Tom_L> probably will break it again
[21:11:35] <jdh> why both
[21:12:19] <Tom_L> i think that's how the other one is set
[21:12:48] <Tom_L> i'm not entirely positive though
[21:13:13] <jdh> it only wants epp
[21:14:42] <Tom_L> nope, it didn't like that at all
[21:15:26] <Tom_L> yeah i just wanted to confirm it
[21:15:38] <Tom_L> i think that part is ok now
[21:18:20] <Tom_L> rtapi: no version for nano2count found: kernel tainted
[21:18:21] <Tom_L> was the message
[21:18:45] <jdh> that's nothing
[21:20:35] <Tom_L> i'm gonna run the updates and see what happens
[21:21:31] <Tom_L> i'm not sure what else it could be
[21:21:43] <jdh> what else what can be?
[21:21:47] <Tom_L> unless there's something about the parport it doesn't like
[21:21:51] <Tom_L> why it won't run
[21:22:06] <jdh> Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1
[21:22:06] <Tom_L> it loads the config
[21:22:28] <Tom_L> oh
[21:22:44] <Tom_L> maybe that's some halui stuff i added and forgot to copy
[21:22:52] <Tom_L> i bet
[21:23:27] <Tom_L> i thought i got all the files i needed
[21:25:49] <Tom_L> these updates are gonna take a while
[21:28:58] <taiden> did you switch to an ncbox Tom_L?
[21:30:33] <Tom_L> no
[21:31:31] <taiden> what's the story?
[21:32:24] <Tom_L> A long time ago in a far away place....
[21:38:50] <Tom_L> i'm just trying to make use of an old pc that was sitting here
[22:05:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/Lhq7p.jpg
[22:38:07] <pcw_home> Tom_L: if the 7I43 loaded the firmware, its time to stop messing with the parallel port
[22:38:25] <pcw_home> (because its working fine)
[22:41:05] <JessicaRN> r00t4rd3d: Thanks for your help last week. my first cut on the machine was a great success. That sun figure looks amazing.
[22:42:54] <ReadError> awww
[22:43:02] <ReadError> you didnt cut "Y U NO" guy?
[22:44:32] <r00t4rd3d> :) glad it worked out for you, got a pic?
[22:45:47] <JessicaRN> err... nope, not yet. my test cut was on foam. I'm gluing up a wood blank tomorrow and I'll make the final out of that. I'll post a pic when I do.
[22:46:32] <JessicaRN> cut3d worked like a champ. so far I can't find any downside to that app.
[22:47:21] <jdh> the price?
[22:47:53] <JessicaRN> lol... yeah, well there is that
[22:52:27] <Tom_itx> pcw_home why would it load the firmware then quit?
[22:52:46] <JessicaRN> anyone every used a touch probe to create a point cloud? how does one turn a point cloud into a .stl or other solid model?
[22:53:15] <Tom_itx> pcw_home that's what has me stumped right now
[22:53:37] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/dmesg_text.txt
[22:54:36] <pcw_home> so its a higher level error 7I43 comms are fine
[22:54:58] <Tom_itx> i copied all the config files from a working pc
[22:55:27] <pcw_home> did you run it in a terminal (some errors are only listed there)
[22:55:31] <taiden> JessicaRN: if you can find the answer to that please let me know
[22:56:04] <JessicaRN> *smiles*
[22:56:13] <Tom_itx> i tried that once as well
[22:56:31] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/linuxcnc_debug.txt
[22:56:33] <JessicaRN> i'll prolly end up making my own probe.
[22:56:33] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/linuxcnc_print.txt
[22:57:42] <pcw_home> But neither of those are a terminal log
[22:58:05] <taiden> soo
[22:58:12] <taiden> junk pc my friend gave me today
[22:58:16] <pcw_home> are you saying it says nothing if run from a terminal?
[22:58:25] <taiden> 11k/12k full load for 4 hours
[22:58:36] <taiden> glxgears and do loop
[22:59:35] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, the terminal run generated those last 2 files i posted
[22:59:39] <taiden> 8.04 with 2.5.x update and no tweaks
[23:00:45] <pcw_home> I dont mean the generated files, rather what is printed in the terminal when LinuxCNC exits
[23:00:59] <JessicaRN> what kind of bit do you need to cut aluminum with a router? Is it even possible, or is the spindle too fast?
[23:02:03] <taiden> seems like most end mills are actually for metal
[23:07:42] <Tom_itx> no, it should be ok
[23:08:05] <atom1> setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.01.counter-mode 1
[23:09:20] <Tom_itx> counter-mode - (Bit, RW) Set to False (the default) for Quadrature. Set to True for Up/Down or for single input on Phase A. Can be used for a frequency to velocity converter with a single input on Phase A when set to true.
[23:10:36] <pcw_home> the problem is that you only have one encoder enabled but are asking for the second encoder
[23:11:21] <atom1> CONFIG="firmware=hm2/7i43-4/SVST2_4_7I47B.BIT num_encoders=2 num_pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=4"
[23:12:41] <atom1> this config works fine on my D525 atom
[23:13:29] <atom1> the first encoder is the MPG
[23:13:43] <atom1> the 2nd is a single input encoder on the spindle
[23:14:59] <pcw_home> Well thats strange because dmesg only shows one encoder
[23:15:16] <atom1> i'll tackle it more tomorrow
[23:15:39] <atom1> but it's the same file set that i pulled from my working D525
[23:15:41] <Jymmm> Why would I use 302 over 304 ?
[23:16:31] <Jymmm> I'm dealing with high heat fwiw
[23:17:19] <pcw_home> same bitfile?
[23:17:24] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:17:51] <Tom_itx> i will copy them all over fresh tomorrow
[23:17:55] <Tom_itx> and try again then
[23:18:02] <pcw_home> Is this consistent? same error in terminal?
[23:18:17] <pcw_home> if launched over and over
[23:18:51] <atom1> yes
[23:19:43] <pcw_home> You could try eliminating the num_encoders stuff so it enables them all
[23:20:10] <Tom_itx> i'll comment that out and try it tomorrow
[23:21:03] <Tom_itx> at least i have a few things to look for now
[23:22:34] <Tom_itx> it is kinda odd though