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[01:48:59] <pingufan> Good morning from Austria.
[01:49:22] <pingufan> I have a question on AXIS 2.5.1.
[01:51:10] <pingufan> It happened meanwhile 5 times that the GUI didn't respond to any mouse click after running a milling job. Surprisingly is: When I press Ctrl+Alt+ESC and then click the AXIS window (that would kill it in KDE), it remains on the screen and can be operated again!
[01:51:21] <pingufan> Any idea how to fix this?
[01:56:48] <pingufan> The other thing I noticed (and that urely can be configured) is: I installed "devilspie" and it automatically maximizes the AXIS Window on start. Works great, but then I have the lower half of it showing the program code and only the upper half shows the display. Every time I have to re-adjust the separation because I want to see only ~10 lines of code and use most of the screen for the graphical display. Can I save this setup`
[01:56:52] <pingufan> ?
[01:57:54] <pingufan> I can show screenshots of as-is and how-it-should-look for better understanding, if required.
[01:58:37] <pingufan> But except of that, 2.5.1 is really good. :)
[02:00:45] <pingufan> Can some guru help me, please?
[02:01:20] <pingufan> (this exceeds my knowledge)
[02:12:04] <DJ9DJ> moin
[04:39:58] <pingufan> Can someone help me with fine-tuning the AXIS GUI? (AXIS 2.5.1)
[04:40:46] <pingufan> I have no idea where to configure that the programcode section is only 10 lines on startup.
[04:40:54] <pingufan> Is someone can help, please?
[05:03:18] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:04:34] <archivist> wsjr, needs to fix his connection
[05:26:54] <pingufan> Mornin'
[05:27:07] <pingufan> How are you?
[05:27:57] <pingufan> Can one of you, please, help me with my issues?
[05:30:41] <pingufan> what the hell is wsjr doing with his Internet connection?
[05:31:50] <archivist> nothing probably, just a stupid broken wifi connection likely
[05:32:16] <pingufan> He should kick out his WLAN components.
[05:33:18] <pingufan> archivist: Is the AXIS GUI configurable? I want to limit the number of code lines to ~10 lines, everything above should be for display.
[05:33:43] <archivist> the code is open source, do as you wish
[05:33:55] <pingufan> Currently the lower half is used for code lines when I maximize the AXIS window.
[05:34:26] <pingufan> I actually meant 1-2 lines in a config file, no re-compilation of everything
[05:34:57] <archivist> not that I know of, fix the source if you want that
[05:41:00] <pingufan> Ok. Thank you. Do you have an idea why it happens from time to time that AXIS froze after a milling job? Ctrl+Alt+Esc and clicking then AXIS makes wit working again.
[06:03:05] <jthornton> darn he left before I could tell him how to do it
[06:45:32] <r00t4rd3d> what could have been
[06:55:48] <jthornton> anyone here use Gscreen yet?
[07:06:49] <r00t4rd3d> was that
[08:00:54] <Tom_itx> jthornton doesn't it kinda defeat the purpose of a portable pc?
[08:01:01] <Tom_itx> back to a 'lugable'
[08:01:12] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: ?
[08:01:23] <Tom_itx> http://www.gscreenlaptop.com/
[08:01:32] <Tom_itx> that what you were referring to?
[08:01:59] <JT-Shop> no, the linuxcnc GUI done in Gtk Glade Python
[08:02:30] <Tom_itx> i guess everyone want's to capture the "G" word nowdays
[08:02:44] <JT-Shop> lol
[08:03:06] <Tom_itx> i got 8.04 installed finally but didn't test it
[08:03:13] <JT-Shop> cool
[08:03:17] <Tom_itx> from a USB boot
[08:03:25] <Tom_itx> cd kept hanging on install
[08:03:44] <Tom_itx> i'll update it to 2.5 today sometime then try it out
[08:05:47] <Tom_itx> you're determined to get glade aren't you?
[08:06:10] <JT-Shop> I think I have the basics down now
[08:06:35] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't mind trying it if i ever catch up here
[08:06:39] <r00t4rd3d> whats the most popular gui replacement atm?
[08:06:42] <JT-Shop> ever see a lathe that used a dremel for the spindle?
[08:06:55] <Tom_itx> not sure i'd want to
[08:06:59] <Tom_itx> pretty weak
[08:07:12] <JT-Shop> come on it's fun to look
http://vanda-layindustries.com/html/mill_accessories.html
[08:07:18] <archivist> I have turned in one :)
[08:07:19] <JT-Shop> get a good laugh anyway
[08:07:56] <JT-Shop> aren't the spindle bearings kinda loose on a dremel?
[08:08:05] <Tom_itx> yes
[08:08:10] <Jymmm> kinda?! HA
[08:08:24] <JT-Shop> and it goes kinda fast for turning?
[08:08:41] <Jymmm> variab;e speed
[08:08:43] <Tom_itx> a needham grinder with a flexcable would even be better
[08:09:35] <r00t4rd3d> for some stuff that would be cool
[08:09:43] <r00t4rd3d> pens, pipes, etc
[08:11:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: kinda scarry being direct drive and using a dremel
[08:12:26] <jdh> that little mill is kind of cool looking. If you could get a spindle with less runout than a dremel.
[08:12:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://vanda-layindustries.com/html/hold-it_plus_jr_.html
[08:12:59] <Jymmm> I was thinking it was going to be belt driven by a dremel motor
[08:13:02] <r00t4rd3d> cheap dremel mount
[08:13:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://vanda-layindustries.com/html/the_hog_sander.html
[08:13:36] <r00t4rd3d> !!!
[08:13:47] <JT-Shop> same place as my link
[08:20:09] <Jymmm> That's a hell of a lot of materials to be shipping to the frickin mountains. especially in the winter as that area is a ski resort.
[08:20:47] <DaViruz> vandalay industries, isn't that from seinfeld?
[08:21:24] <Jymmm> says RUNNING SPRINGS,CALIFORNIA
[09:28:19] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/X1glW
[09:28:51] <r00t4rd3d> not sure what olympic sport that is.
[09:31:02] <jdh> butt, you are signing up for it?
[09:46:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79e_1343769139
[09:46:51] <r00t4rd3d> seasoned rider
[09:56:01] <jdh> how fast do you turn a reamer for mild steel?
[09:56:46] <cradek> slooow, 50 sfm
[09:58:19] <jdh> can you use adjustable reamers under power? Seems like they would be hard to accurately size?
[09:59:01] <cradek> I have never used the adjustable ones
[09:59:23] <cradek> the whole point is to get the right size hole, which seems hard with an adjustable one :-)
[10:01:09] <JT-Shop> jdh I run reamers 1/2 the RPM and 2x the Feed of the drill I used to predrill the hole
[10:02:13] <cradek> yes I agree, you want to feed pretty heavy, but slow speed or it bounces around in the hole
[10:03:02] <JT-Shop> yep
[10:03:03] <cradek> and make sure if you're using a drill chuck that it's a good one, and use as much stickout as possible
[10:03:17] <cradek> reamers are long for a reason
[10:06:15] <jdh> someday, perhaps, I'll find something I want to make that doesn't require buying something else first.
[10:06:34] <archivist> often long to align holes
[10:07:27] <cradek> yes but also to let it follow the hole, not the drill chuck
[10:07:33] <Jymmm> jdh: I was going to suggest a casket, but you still need to buy a holes in the ground.
[10:07:39] <Jymmm> -s
[10:26:17] <r00t4rd3d> jdh
http://i.imgur.com/NKkOj.jpg
[10:26:24] <r00t4rd3d> bored this fine morning :D
[10:29:12] <r00t4rd3d> that would be a good sticker
[10:35:24] <jdh> that is pretty cool!
[10:52:17] <jdh> can you add another N on the end?
[11:06:37] <Jymmm> Anyone know what burns hotter than 190 proof denatured alcohol?
[11:07:26] <jdh> magnesium
[11:09:28] <cpresser> Hydrogen
[11:11:45] <jdh> mapp, propane, acetylene
[11:11:52] <cradek> fred phelps's blackened heart
[11:12:22] <r00t4rd3d> a crackheads lower lip
[11:16:10] <Jymmm> jdh: any non-gas?
[11:16:50] <Jymmm> magnesium is a lil too hot
[11:17:53] <jdh> bubble o2 through whatever liquid fuel you like?
[11:17:59] <JT-Shop> charcoal + sulfur + saltpeter
[11:18:06] <jdh> doubt anything burns cleaner than alcohol though
[11:18:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: gun powder hhuh.
[11:19:08] <JT-Shop> hydroxy-terminated polybutadiene + nitrous oxide
[11:19:21] <Jymmm> jdh: it doens't have to burn cleaner, just hotter. But if alcohol is basically the hottest common fuel, that' ll work. just checking is all
[11:20:01] <skunkworks> there
[11:20:05] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: No, I dont need to be mucking with rocket fuel tyvm =)
[11:20:19] <JT-Shop> but it is safe and clean burning
[11:21:14] <Jymmm> who said anything about safe? or needing it to be clean burning?
[11:21:27] <Jymmm> I wonder if charcoal is hotter than DNA?
[11:22:43] <jdh> charcoal woudl require a more complicated transport mechanism
[11:23:00] <Jymmm> charcoal burns at up to 2700F
[11:25:41] <Jymmm> And DNA burns around 1650F
[11:30:17] <Jymmm> Interesting diesel burns hotter
[11:31:00] <jdh> I woudl imagine you could easily get a factor of 2 in all of them based on fuel aerosolization(?) and o2 content
[11:32:08] <Jymmm> https://gist.github.com/cad7df6bc37cfd4e8504
[11:33:14] <Jymmm> jdh: Needs to be liquid state. This is just to do a "worse case scenario" test.
[11:33:41] <jdh> but, the liquid doesn't burn.
[11:34:05] <Jymmm> It may not, but the fuel still needs to be.
[11:35:09] <Jymmm> I'm not sure I'm surprised that even gasoline burns hotter than DNA.
[11:35:18] <Jymmm> ^why
[11:46:24] <L84Supper> do they still have questions like that on tests in school? Questions that you're to assume what environmental conditions they are asking them under.
[11:46:48] <jdh> if it isn't stated, it is STP/wtf
[11:51:36] <Tom_itx> http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=757791
[11:57:47] <L84Supper> DynaMyte 3000 ? it sounds made up
[11:58:56] <alex4nder> jdh: haha
[12:12:52] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[13:28:31] <taiden> are there any quirks to resuming a toolpath after a hardware crash?
[13:28:40] <taiden> i can't seem to get this thing to line up
[13:32:21] <skunkworks> do you have home switches?
[13:33:04] <taiden> yes that isn't the problem though
[13:33:18] <taiden> when i try to resume from where i left off, right before a subroutine call
[13:33:23] <taiden> it just doesn't do anything or
[13:33:28] <taiden> cuts 2" above where it should be
[13:33:34] <taiden> even though everything is lined up
[13:33:43] <taiden> and if i try to clear g92 offsets with g92.1 in mdi
[13:33:52] <taiden> and then use the touch off tool
[13:33:56] <taiden> i get strange offsets like
[13:34:07] <taiden> if i set a location to z0.5 it reads z1.812
[13:34:10] <taiden> on DRO
[13:41:48] <taiden> when i resume
[13:41:58] <taiden> the code has a g0 z0.5
[13:42:10] <taiden> and it goes to z1.829
[13:42:13] <taiden> instead
[13:42:19] <taiden> and if i can solve why that happens
[13:42:29] <taiden> then i can resume the code without issue
[13:45:39] <cradek> check out
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/User_Concepts.html#_when_you_8217_re_lost
[13:46:50] <taiden> it seems like linuxcnc is trying to grab previous info in order to continue
[13:47:03] <taiden> i just need it to continue exactly from the line without considering anything previous
[13:49:19] <taiden> alright this really pinkles my wrenis
[13:49:24] <taiden> it's at z0.5
[13:49:36] <taiden> code calls for g0 z0.5
[13:50:09] <taiden> it raises to z1.13
[13:50:13] <cradek> oh you've hit the nail on the head. it does re-run the program from the beginning.
[13:50:15] <taiden> and then does exactly what i need it to do
[13:50:29] <taiden> i'm grabbing the line i need and then clicking on "run from here"
[13:50:56] <cradek> yes, it starts from the beginning in that case, and starts executing when it gets to your requested spot.
[13:51:09] <cradek> you could edit your program and remove the unwanted stuff before that line.
[13:52:57] <taiden> problem is this happens a lot
[13:53:04] <taiden> because my computer crashes all the time
[13:53:12] <cradek> yuck. you should fix that.
[13:53:22] <taiden> i dont know what to do
[13:53:27] <taiden> and i can't afford another computer right now
[13:53:30] <taiden> it just randomly shuts off
[13:53:32] <taiden> i replaced the power supply
[13:53:47] <cradek> often that's a heat problem
[13:53:53] <taiden> i cleared it all out
[13:53:57] <cradek> is your cpu fan spinning and the heat sink clean?
[13:54:00] <taiden> motherboard reports happy heat situation
[13:54:06] <taiden> 45c at load
[13:54:06] <cradek> :-(
[13:54:18] <cradek> capacitors bulging?
[13:54:24] <taiden> not sure how to check that
[13:54:27] <cradek> eyeball
[13:54:44] <taiden> if i smack the case in frustration i lose video signal
[13:54:49] <taiden> which i just discovered five minutes ago haha
[13:55:03] <cradek> domed or split tops, sometimes oozing goop
[13:55:32] <taiden> the thing is it's totally random
[13:55:44] <taiden> i started it up and ran this program for about 15 minutes and it crashed
[13:55:54] <taiden> i've spent an hour trying to get it to work again and no crash
[13:56:08] <taiden> I just want to resume it withotu having to edit my program every single time :(
[13:56:42] <cradek> sounds like if you get your offsets and tool length set how they were before, it'll be fine
[13:56:59] <taiden> i do
[13:57:05] <taiden> i get it exactly where it needs to be
[13:57:15] <taiden> clear all offsets, make sure im in the right coordinate system
[13:57:27] <taiden> set g54 Z to where it needs to be
[13:57:33] <cradek> it's hard for me to guess what is wrong if I don't know your whole workflow and how you use offsets :-/
[13:57:35] <taiden> and then it arbitrarily adds 0.62
[13:57:42] <taiden> to z
[13:57:56] <cradek> well that's not arbitrary, you just haven't figured out where it comes from yet
[13:58:03] <taiden> fair enough
[13:58:19] <taiden> it would be insane for me to show you because i have like four different subroutine files that this one fixture file pulls from
[13:58:41] <taiden> the subroutine files do not use any coordinate systems or offsets
[13:58:46] <cradek> yuck, that can make it very hard
[13:59:02] <taiden> i had to do it because otherwise it would be insane to try to make changes in the future
[13:59:06] <taiden> i dont use CAM
[13:59:21] <cradek> yeah, you pick your poison, unfortunately
[13:59:28] <taiden> yes
[13:59:40] <taiden> the toolpath works extremely well except i just can't force it to resume withotu trying to be smart about everything previous
[13:59:41] <cradek> straight-line code is easier to deal with for restarts, but hard to understand and edit
[14:00:18] <cradek> did you go through the "if you're lost" url I pasted earlier, to make sure you are thinking about each of the available offsets?
[14:09:49] <andypugh> Which olympic athlete are you?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19050139
[14:10:05] <andypugh> I seem to be a female handball player or male wrestler. Odd.
[14:11:22] <cradek> ha, yeah like my 190lb is anything like a british water polo player's 190lb
[14:11:33] <jdh> my 190lb is
[14:11:40] <cradek> ... who's a decade younger than me
[14:11:41] <jdh> it's the other 50lb that isn'
[14:11:45] <cradek> hahaha
[14:12:22] <cradek> although, he and I have the same number of olympic medals
[14:13:15] <andypugh> It seems very likely to stay that way, unless they bring in olympic CNC.
[14:14:37] <jdh> then, they can have pairs synchronized cnc'ing
[14:15:13] <skunkworks> both of my matches are in judo....
[14:15:35] <Thetawaves> i wouldn't mind watching the olympics of CNC
[14:15:56] <Thetawaves> what machine can turn down this 5 inch titanium bar in the least amount of time!?
[14:16:05] <skunkworks> forward and reverse kins competition...
[14:21:43] <andypugh> Well, I have seen chainsaw racing (on TV) so it might happen one day
[14:24:13] <jdh> chainsaw juggling on trampolines.
[14:24:37] <djdelorie> trampoline juggling
[14:27:30] <syyl_> hrm
[14:27:57] <syyl_> if you find at the end of a workday a hand full of alumium chips in your pocket..
[14:28:00] <syyl_> ..it was a good day
[14:28:23] <andypugh> syyl_: Are you the chap with Deckels?
[14:28:32] <syyl_> :D
[14:28:38] <syyl_> yeah
[14:28:55] <syyl_> one at home, three at work
[14:29:14] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Deckel-Alexander-Slotting-Head-/370635867470
[14:29:57] <syyl_> thats a nice piece
[14:30:28] <syyl_> makes the fp1 a even more universal machine..
[14:30:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game/
[14:30:53] <andypugh> I can probably find someone local to collect.
[14:31:20] <syyl_> but it doesnt fit my private deckel.. :/
[14:32:14] <andypugh> It looks like is might fit my Harrison, but would just sit there not connected to any drive mechanism :-)
[14:32:40] <syyl_> it can be modified to be driven its own motor
[14:32:53] <syyl_> but thats some work
[14:33:46] <syyl_> and i tell you
[14:33:51] <syyl_> ebay is pure evil!
[14:34:02] <syyl_> it makes you spend money for stuff you need once a year
[14:34:44] <andypugh> That often?
[14:34:50] <syyl_> ;)
[14:35:23] <syyl_> the slotting head would be such an object
[14:35:46] <syyl_> especially because i own a shaper...
[14:37:08] <archivist> sexeh...but I only use my keyway broaches every three or four years do that would rest for a very long time here
[14:37:38] <syyl_> i do my broaching on the shaper
[14:37:40] <syyl_> ;)
[14:38:21] <syyl_> ok, not broaching
[14:38:31] <syyl_> i do my keyways on the shaper
[14:39:11] <archivist> andypugh, I have thought of another way of adding encoding to my hobbing head that you could use too, add a helical gear to mesh with the spiral bevel at an angle with a normal encoder mounted on the cover
[14:39:49] <archivist> adds an error term but may well be averaged out
[14:39:49] <andypugh> A bit late now, it's all done.
[14:39:56] <andypugh> 84 countes per rev.
[14:41:32] <archivist> my spiral is 36 teeth and I have a little 96 slot a b z encoder I can sneak in
[14:43:03] <frallzor> ahoyhoy
[14:43:23] <taiden> well that was a nightmare
[14:43:28] <taiden> looks like my computer finally kicked it
[14:43:59] <frallzor> I like summer time
[14:44:07] <frallzor> makes it possible to do this
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7398/img4250g.jpg http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1540/img4246u.jpg
[14:44:31] <syyl_> no paintdust in the shop? ;)
[14:44:41] <frallzor> painted outside =)
[14:44:44] <frallzor> hung inside
[14:45:02] <frallzor> outside until sticky free
[14:45:06] <frallzor> then inside with em =)
[14:45:33] <taiden> is there an alternative to the D525MW
[14:45:34] <taiden> ?
[14:45:55] <jdh> doesn't seem to be anything
[14:46:05] <jdh> in the style/price range anyway
[14:47:05] <archivist> taiden, I experiment with old cast off pcs till I get one with a low enough latency
[14:47:18] <taiden> yeah
[14:47:21] <taiden> i seem to be paying for that right now
[14:47:29] <taiden> i have two socket a computers here and neither of them work
[14:47:44] <taiden> i need something reliable and replaceable and repeatable
[14:48:03] <taiden> a 30 minute job just turned into a 4 day job because of my old pc method
[14:48:20] <taiden> :P
[14:48:31] <archivist> shit happens :(
[14:49:06] <archivist> frallzor, you are not the only one painting :)
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_07_25_Barber_Colman/IMG_1272.JPG
[14:49:21] <cradek> none of the consumer PC world is reliable/replaceable/repeatable
[14:50:23] <taiden> well sure but there's always bad good better best
[14:52:07] <cradek> do you have a place that has old PCs? We have a goodwill that's just electronics here. You could take a livecd and test them until you find a good one.
[14:52:45] <cradek> I think they're all $40 each there (full machine with a stupid windows license)
[14:52:45] <frallzor> archivist fancy =)
[14:52:45] <jdh> that would be cool
[14:52:49] <jdh> how much are they?
[14:53:13] <cradek> it's either $39 or $49, I don't remember for sure
[14:53:13] <taiden> not that i am familiar with
[14:53:25] <taiden> looks like the D525MW is officially backordered
[14:53:26] <taiden> at most places
[14:53:31] <cradek> most of that's probably for the windows license :-/
[14:53:45] <archivist> frallzor, restoring a hobbing machine, and very likely to make it cnc
[14:53:52] <frallzor> cool
[14:53:57] <jdh> taiden: amazon had them this morning.
[14:54:01] <frallzor> im painting my quadbuild =P
[14:54:33] <taiden> problem is i need it yesterday
[14:54:44] <taiden> there used to be an amazon prime vendor with them but not anymore
[14:56:31] <jdh> I almost ordered one this morning, then decided I wanted some reamers instead, then I started looking at metal stock.
[15:05:44] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=27&id=22656#22656
[15:10:00] <taiden> ?
[15:12:08] <taiden> whats the purpose of an i/o card?
[15:13:17] <archivist> input and output
[15:15:41] <Diony> Hi all
[15:15:47] <taiden> archivist: well yeah :P
[15:15:57] <taiden> does it forego software stepping?
[15:17:31] <jdh> it seems to be an RT ethernet card
[15:23:19] <Diony> Is it possible to use parameter to define axis selection? For example I want to do something like "g0 #<axis> #<value>" where "#<axis> = Z" and "#<value>=10".
[15:25:30] <archivist> Diony, you can choose whether a line is used or not so branch over one or the other
[15:27:10] <Diony> So I need to the test #<axis> value in conditionnal structure (if) and duplicate code?
[15:27:32] <Diony> No other ways?
[15:29:16] <archivist> other ways may be less sensible
[15:30:06] <jdh> generate the final code from a script
[15:30:11] <jdh> use m4!
[15:32:02] <archivist> using a port to switch the axis connections, making a hal comp etc
[15:32:20] <Diony> The idea is writing a subroutine (o call) with parameter for probing purpose. One of this parameter is the axis onlong the probe will be done.
[15:32:30] <Diony> Ok I understand the idea
[15:32:47] <Diony> I will continue with "if" ;)
[15:33:10] <archivist> I think there is an example of a probing routine somewhere
[15:33:20] <Diony> and use copy-paste
[15:34:23] <Diony> It's not a big deal to write the gcode for this
[15:35:14] <Diony> I just want to know if there is a efficient way than using "if" structure.
[15:35:28] <Diony> But I get my answer
[15:35:35] <Diony> Thank you archivist
[16:11:37] <taide1> alright so
[16:11:50] <taide1> my computer is working now
[16:11:55] <taide1> let's cross fingers that it makes it through this run haha
[16:14:09] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:39:19] <r00t-Shed> woot 2 down payments :D
[16:45:20] <andypugh> Second attempt:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wE4cF0uBYu-pY5vFeuI00tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink and
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/xLQQyKpGjW-i3pr9W9F89NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink and
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zH4KytVy-QaXID3OzoUXeNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[16:46:01] <taide1> hey guys
[16:46:10] <taide1> im getting problems with lost steps at low speeds with my gecko g540
[16:46:23] <taide1> any suggestions of where to start?
[16:46:35] <andypugh> Slipping or stalling?
[16:46:40] <taide1> stalling
[16:46:45] <andypugh> Under load or at high speed?
[16:46:51] <Jymmm> andypugh: what are you attempting to do?
[16:46:54] <taide1> only low speeds
[16:47:00] <taide1> and it seem sonly on my z axis
[16:47:01] <andypugh> Jymmm: Spindle encoder
[16:47:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: ah
[16:47:26] <andypugh> taide1: The motor/driver might just not be strong enough
[16:47:51] <taide1> hmm
[16:48:01] <taide1> i suppose that could be the case
[16:48:04] <JT-Shop> what voltage are you using?
[16:48:06] <taide1> they are 381ozin keling motors
[16:48:08] <taide1> 49v
[16:48:19] <taide1> it's very definite
[16:48:23] <JT-Shop> IIRC that is max for the 540
[16:48:24] <taide1> even no load
[16:48:28] <andypugh> Direct drive?
[16:48:36] <taide1> below 10 ipm it seems to skip all steps
[16:48:56] <taide1> it's 3/8 12 two start acme
[16:48:57] <andypugh> Ah, hmm, that's strange
[16:48:59] <taide1> delrin nuts
[16:49:08] <andypugh> So, it will move fast but not slow?
[16:49:12] <taide1> yeah
[16:49:23] <taide1> sorry the z is 1 start
[16:49:25] <taide1> will move 90 ipm no problem
[16:49:30] <taide1> 10 ipm no problem
[16:49:31] <andypugh> Congratulations. That's a new one.
[16:49:32] <taide1> 5ipm no can do
[16:49:50] <andypugh> 8-wire motor?
[16:49:53] <taide1> i can do 90 ipm runs over and over without any loss in accuracy
[16:49:54] <taide1> 4 wire
[16:50:18] <taide1> yep it's doing it right now
[16:50:21] <Jymmm> Call Mariss and ask =)
[16:50:24] <taide1> helical interpolation down
[16:50:30] <taide1> z moves on DRO
[16:50:34] <taide1> completely still in real life
[16:50:49] <andypugh> Talk to gecko, that sounds like a bust drive.
[16:51:04] <taide1> things can never go as planned can they? :P
[16:51:38] <taide1> im going to give my gecko a rest and see what happens in 10 min
[16:51:40] <andypugh> It might be that the switch from microstepping to full stepping is only working in full-step mode
[16:51:44] <r00t-Shed> i wish i could do 90ipm and not 5.
[16:51:49] <Jymmm> taide1: Mariss is a really nice guy to talk with, I'm sure he could provide some insight for you.
[16:52:01] <taide1> who is mariss?
[16:52:05] <andypugh> Yeahm 90ipm sounds like a monster axsi.
[16:52:16] <Jymmm> taide1: The head Cheese at Gecko Drive
[16:52:22] <taide1> my x and y is 180 ipm :P
[16:52:40] <taide1> hmmm head cheese
[16:53:28] <Jymmm> Hell, he mihgt be the one answering the phone if he's not too busy.
[16:53:31] <taide1> would overheating cause an issue liek this do you think?
[16:53:40] <taide1> of the g540
[16:53:45] <Jymmm> do youhave heat sinks?
[16:53:49] <taide1> none
[16:53:54] <taide1> it's in open air but it gets real dusty
[16:54:01] <Jymmm> is it hot to the touch? both sides?
[16:54:07] <taide1> it is yes but
[16:54:12] <taide1> not so i can't hold it
[16:54:25] <Jymmm> Well, heat sink it and find out
[16:54:41] <taide1> is there one that people prefer to use?
[16:54:50] <Jymmm> grab a fan as a test
[16:54:53] <taide1> i live in a place that doesn't really have computer stores where i can just go get one
[16:55:04] <taide1> so i will have to order
[16:55:18] <Jymmm> taide1: Not PC fan, $15 20' box fan
[16:55:23] <Jymmm> 20"
[16:55:28] <Jymmm> it's just a test
[16:55:31] <taide1> id rather have the 20 footer haha
[16:55:46] <andypugh> I would say talk to Gecko, this is a _really_ unusual problem for a stepper. Either they will recognise it immediately or want to know how it is possible.
[16:56:07] <Jymmm> andypugh: it may not be if it's not heatsinked
[16:56:28] <Jymmm> taide1: you dont have a desk/floor fan right now as a test?
[16:56:57] <Jymmm> Raise the drives up so air can flow underneith
[16:57:00] <r00t-Shed> just blow on it
[16:57:27] <r00t-Shed> :o
[16:59:03] <JT-Shop> taide1: did you set the morphing point on each axis?
[17:00:08] <JT-Shop> andypugh: they don't switch but rather a smooth transition from 10 micro to full step
[17:00:48] <Tom_itx> i can't tell when they do or don't on mine
[17:00:50] <Tom_itx> can you hear it?
[17:16:06] <taiden> alright well
[17:16:17] <taiden> gecko claims that the setup is software related
[17:16:23] <taiden> rather the problem is **
[17:17:01] <taiden> just got off the phone with them
[17:17:05] <taiden> a guy named marcus i believe
[17:17:08] <Jymmm> Who?
[17:17:12] <Jymmm> ah
[17:17:19] <taiden> maybe it was mariss?
[17:17:40] <Jymmm> what did he say specificlly?
[17:17:48] <taiden> i told him what was happening
[17:17:49] <taiden> and he said
[17:17:55] <andypugh> I am not sure how it can be software
[17:17:55] <taiden> that there is no way for the gecko to lose steps
[17:18:01] <taiden> that it's something before or after the gecko
[17:18:24] <taiden> he seemed to think it was something software specific
[17:18:45] <Jymmm> Well, I'd still try the fan, it's the easiest thing to test right now
[17:18:52] <taiden> I'll give that a go
[17:18:53] <andypugh> Well, Halscope might tell you if you are actually creating steps.
[17:18:54] <Jymmm> KISS
[17:19:18] <taiden> heat does make sense
[17:19:19] <taiden> because
[17:19:32] <taiden> in the morning it did that same subroutine four times without any error, and has done so many times in the past
[17:19:40] <andypugh> Hmm, I wonder if perhaps there is a Charge Pump problem, and the steps are somehow making it work?
[17:19:49] <Jymmm> taide1: Quit talking and go grab a fan!
[17:19:52] <taiden> LOL
[17:19:59] <taiden> i think the charge pump is turned off right now?
[17:19:59] <andypugh> Is this only a problem with one axis?
[17:20:20] <taiden> i'll go do a few tests right now
[17:20:21] <taiden> brb
[17:20:26] <taiden> but
[17:20:34] <Jymmm> no butts, GO!
[17:20:35] <taiden> typically it's z axis because it happens on helical interpolation
[17:20:42] <taiden> slow downward Z on a large radius
[17:20:47] <taiden> IM GOING!
[17:20:52] * taiden is gone
[17:21:45] <Tom_itx> andypugh where do the wires dissappear to on your encoders?
[17:22:10] * Jymmm sets mode: +GotFanYet taide1
[17:22:15] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Which picture?
[17:23:40] <Tom_itx> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wE4cF0uBYu-pY5vFeuI00tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:24:07] <andypugh> They go to the Lemo connector in the second and third pics
[17:24:53] <Tom_itx> oh i missed the 3rd one
[17:25:07] <Tom_itx> how's it work?
[17:25:19] <andypugh> Pretty well.
[17:25:32] <Tom_itx> you used the allegro sensor?
[17:25:41] <andypugh> Yes, looking at gears in the head
[17:26:11] <Tom_itx> does it drive ttl or did you need an amp for it?
[17:26:43] <andypugh> They go direct to pins on a Mesa card. Nothing in between at all.
[17:26:50] <Tom_itx> nice
[17:34:32] <andypugh> Talking of Mesa cards, these are very convenient:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/discrete-wire-housing/6802329/ They plug discrete wires direct to headers, and you can easily move the pins around in the headers. The bundle of pink wires here
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OT4lV-DVGZyqVXqP_pW2Q9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink goes into to one.
[17:35:21] <Tom_itx> yeah i forgot what those were called though
[17:35:26] <Tom_itx> there's a series name for them
[17:35:44] <Tom_itx> i have the individual pins i put heatshrink over
[17:35:55] <Tom_itx> running low on housings
[17:36:27] <andypugh> You do need a teeny and unusual crimping too, though.
[17:36:43] <Tom_itx> i got a cheap one from RS
[17:36:47] <Tom_itx> works good on those
[17:36:58] <andypugh> Wel, it is entirely conventional apart from the teeniness
[17:37:02] <Tom_itx> C-grid maybe?
[17:37:04] <Tom_itx> something like that
[17:37:21] <Tom_itx> same as pc fan etc plugs
[17:37:52] <Tom_itx> yeah they're called C-Grid
[17:40:19] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/90143-0010/WM8059-ND/760774
[17:41:24] <Tom_itx> i should get some more for my limit switches since they plug in the 2nd 7i43 header
[17:41:52] <andypugh> Anyway, my contribution to Mesa card development is on hold until I can get back into the file server.
[17:42:06] <andypugh> I got in last night by reinstalling Netatalk.
[17:42:06] <Tom_itx> did you get shut out?
[17:42:23] <andypugh> I mean the local one behind me.
[17:42:57] <andypugh> Which runs headless and keyboardless, and which I can still ssh and vnc into.
[17:42:59] <Tom_itx> i'm about to take this one down and put the other hdd in to try 8.04 on this via pc
[17:43:27] <Tom_itx> finally got it installed last night after 3 or 4 attempts
[17:44:19] <Tom_itx> yeah all my server has is an ethernet plug and power
[17:45:59] <andypugh> This is odd: andypugh@DN2800:~$ sudo service netatalk restart
[17:45:59] <andypugh> Restarting Netatalk Daemons (this will take a while)Stopping Netatalk Daemons: afpd cnid_metad papd timelord atalkd.
[17:46:00] <andypugh> ..Starting Netatalk services (this will take a while): cnid_metad afpd.
[17:46:18] <andypugh> So, it was running more services than it was meant to?
[17:46:34] <Tom_L> no idea, i stumble along with linux
[17:47:35] <taide1> hey all
[17:47:38] <taide1> question:
[17:47:46] <andypugh> And I am in. Randomly. No idea what changed
[17:47:49] <taide1> can any of you get your drives to go less than F1 feed?
[17:48:09] <Tom_L> heh
[17:48:13] <JT-Shop> sure
[17:48:24] <Tom_L> taide1 why not?
[17:48:32] <taide1> mine works at f1
[17:48:36] <taide1> doesn't work less than f1
[17:48:41] <taide1> gecko is chilly
[17:48:46] <taide1> didn't know if it was integer only
[17:48:51] <Tom_L> i would have no reason to go less though
[17:49:07] <taide1> have you actually tried it?
[17:49:11] <Tom_L> no
[17:49:20] <taide1> give it a go if you dont mind
[17:49:25] <Tom_L> it would be like watching grass grow
[17:50:22] <JT-Shop> my plasma is humming along at F0.01 atm...
[17:50:40] <taide1> strange
[17:50:46] <Tom_itx> gimme a sec
[17:50:49] <JT-Shop> so it will take 40 hours to go 24"
[17:50:54] <taide1> haha
[17:50:59] <taide1> so what would cause my setup to not handle anything below f1?
[17:51:17] <DaViruz> wrong decimal delimiter?
[17:51:28] <taide1> .
[17:51:31] <DaViruz> that's the only thing it could be if 1 works but 0.99 doesnt
[17:51:36] <JT-Shop> anything including your machine
[17:51:39] <taide1> well DRO shows movement
[17:51:46] <taide1> stepper does zilch
[17:52:13] <DaViruz> some issue with timings then?
[17:52:27] <DaViruz> but the odds of it occuring at exactly F1 are astronomical
[17:52:29] <taide1> i just did a 2 inch movement at f1 and no missed steps
[17:52:50] <taide1> f0.999 works
[17:53:03] <taide1> f0.5 does nothing
[17:53:28] <Tom_itx> mine also works fine at F.01
[17:53:29] <andypugh> What does F0,5 do?
[17:54:02] <taide1> gives MDI error
[17:54:08] <taide1> "bad character ',' used"
[17:54:15] <JT-Shop> as expected
[17:54:16] <andypugh> That's what I expected, but it was worth testing.
[17:54:43] <Tom_itx> it's like listening to a watch ticking
[17:54:51] <JT-Shop> taide1: and this problem is only on your Z axis?
[17:54:52] <andypugh> You have a straightforward HAL, no float-to-int conversions?
[17:55:20] <DaViruz> maybe it misses steps due to microstepping being unable to overcome friction?
[17:55:38] <DaViruz> whereas the more aggressive acceleration at higher feeds are able to overcome it
[17:58:01] <taide1> get this
[17:58:05] <JT-Shop> that doesn't sound right as 1/10 of a step should just work... unless the morphing point is not set properly and it morphs to full step at a low speed
[17:58:10] <taide1> over time
[17:58:18] <taide1> the minimum feed rate it will handle
[17:58:20] <taide1> increases
[17:58:22] <andypugh> I can see ways for it to be a bizarre motor wiring fault. I can see other ways for it to be a bizzarre signal wiring fault (at high enough frequency the steps get coupled-through capaitatively)
[17:58:22] <taide1> IE
[17:58:29] <taide1> 2 minutes ago it would do 0.77
[17:58:37] <taide1> one minute ago it would only do 0.82
[17:58:42] <taide1> and now it will only do 0.89
[17:58:49] <taide1> so
[17:58:51] <taide1> heat?
[17:59:12] <andypugh> The first test to do is to reconfigure HAL so that Z is on another driver, then swap the motor wiring so Z is on that driver, and see if the problem is still there. If it isn't then go back to Gecko.
[17:59:37] <taide1> is there a quick way to do this?
[17:59:43] <taide1> or is this a stepconf job
[17:59:49] * JT-Shop loves it when people ignore your questions
[18:00:04] <andypugh> Well, I could do it in 2mins with Gedit and ascrewdriver.
[18:00:09] <JT-Shop> just swap the plugs
[18:00:19] <taide1> sorry jt I missed it
[18:00:22] <taide1> not an ignore
[18:02:58] <taide1> when I do x axis at 0.02 it works
[18:03:02] <taide1> but it pulses
[18:03:28] <andypugh> It probably would
[18:03:28] <taide1> D-D-D-D-D-d-D-D-D-D-D-d-D-D-D-D-D-d-
[18:03:33] <taide1> i figure that's the 10th step though
[18:03:57] <taide1> maybe it would be worth 'calibrating' them again
[18:04:10] <taide1> each axis
[18:04:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.woodsolutions.com/planer-sander.htm
[18:04:44] <r00t4rd3d> check out the duplicator at the bottom
[18:04:48] <DaViruz> taide1: is the Z the same in both directions?
[18:04:59] <taide1> actually no
[18:05:19] <taide1> in the + direction it will handle a lower feed
[18:05:26] <taide1> but only by about 0.01 ipm
[18:10:17] <DaViruz> ok. hardly a mechanical problem then
[18:13:44] <JT-Shop> I assume the G540 steps on the rising edge like the 203v...
[18:14:05] <r00t4rd3d> im torn on what i should cut these peoples signs in, pine, oak plywood.... thoughts?
[18:14:14] <taide1> actually
[18:14:18] <JT-Shop> cedar
[18:14:27] <taide1> the trim pot for 'calibrating' each axis
[18:14:37] <r00t4rd3d> they have that at lowes/homedepot?
[18:14:43] <taide1> only hits the 'sweet spot' at the furthest end of travel
[18:14:47] <JT-Shop> the trim pot is for setting the morphing point
[18:14:50] <taide1> not in the middle, idk if this is typical
[18:15:05] <JT-Shop> did you not set it as per the instructions?
[18:15:11] <taide1> i had done this previously but decided to try again
[18:15:13] <jdh> are you going to paint or stain, or neither.
[18:15:16] <JT-Shop> there is no typical
[18:15:25] <taide1> okay
[18:15:38] <r00t4rd3d> stain my cuts then sand the top so the lettering stands out
[18:15:58] <JT-Shop> you set it for some rpm as stated in the manual and adjust for smooth running
[18:16:06] <r00t4rd3d> then poly or shlack it
[18:17:05] <JT-Shop> 203v ADJUST: This trimpot adjusts the motor for the smoothest possible low-speed operation. Set the motor speed to about 1/2 revolution per second and then turn the trimpot until a distinct null is noted in the motor’s vibration. This will result in the most even microstep placement for a given motor and power supply voltage.
[18:17:26] <taide1> yeah
[18:17:28] <JT-Shop> check the 540 manua
[18:17:28] <r00t4rd3d> jt why you say cedar, does it cut good? clean lines..
[18:17:30] <JT-Shop> l
[18:17:39] <JT-Shop> cause Ricky likes it
[18:17:49] <JT-Shop> it's easy to work
[18:17:49] <r00t4rd3d> who the fuck is ricky
[18:18:06] <JT-Shop> now I'll tell him you said that and he won't care
[18:18:17] <taide1> now my z wont even do f1
[18:18:34] <JT-Shop> it is the founding member of the cannoneer club
[18:18:43] <r00t4rd3d> I thought ricky was a fictitious character in your brains.
[18:18:56] <JT-Shop> nope
[18:19:05] <Tom_L> no he don't eat mushrooms like some
[18:19:14] <JT-Shop> LOL
[18:19:29] <r00t4rd3d> ill take a handful
[18:19:36] <Tom_L> no doubt
[18:20:14] <JT-Shop> the plasma has moved 0.300" so far since 17:39
[18:20:24] <taide1> LOL
[18:20:46] <taide1> faster than some machines i've seen on youtube
[18:20:47] <r00t4rd3d> what are you cutting?
[18:20:55] <JT-Shop> air
[18:21:28] <JT-Shop> I think G1 X24.000 F0.01 was a bit far for a test from X0.000
[18:21:33] <r00t4rd3d> i can only achieve 12ipm
[18:21:45] <taide1> well that's
[18:21:51] <taide1> 1200 times faster than jt's plasma
[18:22:05] <JT-Shop> the plasma will go 500IPM
[18:22:07] <jdh> cedar is pretty coarse
[18:22:18] <Tom_L> ok updating to 2.5
[18:22:18] <jdh> but, it is pretty and smells good when you cut it.
[18:22:21] <Tom_L> cross your fingers
[18:22:25] <JT-Shop> yep
[18:22:33] <taide1> i suppose i could just hook up the fourth axis
[18:22:33] <r00t4rd3d> i wanna use pine just cause its soft, cuts and stains well.
[18:22:35] <taide1> to my z
[18:22:38] <taide1> and see if that 'fixes' it
[18:22:45] <JT-Shop> jdh: the customers didn't pick the wood
[18:22:59] <JT-Shop> ?
[18:23:12] <jdh> got me
[18:23:18] <r00t4rd3d> no they didnt
[18:23:38] <r00t4rd3d> i told them i would use whats best
[18:23:42] <jdh> good plywood might make interesting effects depending on depth
[18:23:52] <andypugh> I can't make Samba or AFP work. What's the Ubuntu-native networking protocol?
[18:24:10] <r00t4rd3d> ip
[18:24:55] <jdh> you can try nfs
[18:25:11] <r00t4rd3d> does remote desktop work?
[18:25:24] <r00t4rd3d> start with that
[18:26:02] <jdh> why rdp?
[18:26:27] <andypugh> yeah, ssh and vnc are fine, but not a way to share files.
[18:26:47] <r00t4rd3d> u can with ssh
[18:27:09] <JT-Shop> isn't samba normally what you use on ubuntu?
[18:27:22] <jdh> samba does smb/cifs
[18:27:50] <andypugh> I swapped to AFP because SMB wasn't working.
[18:28:10] <jdh> from osx or windows?
[18:28:20] <andypugh> Like, I type in the password to connect, and the dialog shakes its head
[18:28:29] <r00t4rd3d> samba samba is a problem child
[18:28:36] <r00t4rd3d> #samba
[18:28:47] <jdh> did you do a smbpasswd?
[18:28:47] <andypugh> I had AFP working really nicely, but then it stopped working
[18:28:51] <r00t4rd3d> have you asked in there
[18:29:08] <r00t4rd3d> changed your passwords or anything?
[18:29:11] <andypugh> smb authentication is "user"
[18:29:26] <r00t4rd3d> should it be root?
[18:29:33] <andypugh> No, I haven't changed my passwords since 1992
[18:29:35] <Tom_L> 8.04 won't see my USB drive
[18:29:51] <Tom_L> cannot mount volume
[18:29:56] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Again, it was working fine until it wasn't
[18:29:57] <r00t4rd3d> there is a fix
[18:30:08] <Tom_L> invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume
[18:30:09] <Jymmm> Tom_L: you need a new cnc center to get the usb to work on that pc.
[18:30:16] <Tom_L> ahh
[18:30:31] <r00t4rd3d> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[18:30:42] <r00t4rd3d> try the manual mount, 1/4 way down
[18:32:01] <r00t4rd3d> those via boards do like usb things unplugged and replugged
[18:32:33] <r00t4rd3d> sometimes i had to unplug my power cord and plug it back in to get shit recognized.
[18:32:57] <taide1> so
[18:33:08] <taide1> i just moved my Z axis over to my A axis port on the gecko
[18:33:13] <taide1> and it seems to work perfectly fine
[18:33:33] <taide1> which is a little too bad
[18:33:37] <taide1> but a little okay at the same time
[18:34:13] <taide1> i just changed pins in *.hal file and it works great now
[18:34:37] <taide1> down to f0.01 it works fine
[18:35:14] <Tom_L> r00t4rd3d do you have to do that every time?
[18:35:35] <Jymmm> taide1: Got Fan?
[18:36:01] <taide1> embarrassed to answer that
[18:36:19] * Tom_L aims a swamp cooler in Jymmm's general direction
[18:36:20] <JT-Shop> taide1: do you have the 540 mounted to a heat sink?
[18:36:28] <andypugh> taide: if the Z motor is now on the A drive, and all that has changed is the HAL and the plug, then that says the Z drve is bad.
[18:36:37] <taide1> that's what im thinking
[18:36:38] <Jymmm> taide1: KISS... Keep it simple stupid, why overthink things?
[18:36:52] <taide1> i def think heat is part of it
[18:36:59] <taide1> since the performance of the z drive decreased over time
[18:37:03] <taide1> but at the same time
[18:37:04] * Jymmm shakes his head
[18:37:13] <taide1> the performance out of the A drive is significantyl better
[18:37:15] <andypugh> </em is quite confident that Jymmm is immune from over-thinking anything>
[18:37:16] <taide1> than the Z
[18:37:31] <taide1> and on par with the x and y
[18:37:39] <Tom_L> base thread 781287 servo thread 997557
[18:37:42] <taide1> so i conclude that the z is not working correctly
[18:37:44] <JT-Shop> that is one of many reasons I prefer the G251X over the G540
[18:37:47] <Tom_L> maybe not a good candidate for linuxcnc?
[18:38:17] <Jymmm> andypugh: Hardly, but a simple test of just grabbing a fan just makes sense and is easy
[18:38:19] <JT-Shop> taide1: is the 540 mounted to a heat sink?
[18:38:27] <taide1> nope, just in free air
[18:38:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: no
[18:38:35] <JT-Shop> bad news for you then
[18:38:49] <taide1> ?
[18:38:56] <Tom_L> it should be on a heatsink
[18:39:13] <andypugh> I still think that this screams "bad drive"
[18:39:13] <JT-Shop> didn't read the manual carefully I'd bet
[18:39:19] <Tom_L> at all?
[18:39:29] <JT-Shop> after you melted it yea it is bad now
[18:39:34] <taide1> iirc the manual states that a heatsink isn't necessary
[18:39:57] <taide1> unless it is above 180f surface temp which it's not
[18:40:00] <taide1> i'd have to check again though
[18:40:11] * Tom_L gives taide1 a hunk of heatsink http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/heatsink_bulk.jpg
[18:40:55] <JT-Shop> yea the case must be somewhat a heat sink
[18:41:13] <JT-Shop> ADJUST: This trimpot adjusts the motor for the smoothest possible low-speed operation. Set the motor speed to about 1/2 revolution per second and then turn the trimpot until a distinct null is noted in the motor’s vibration. This will result in the most even microstep placement for a given motor and power supply voltage.
[18:41:14] <andypugh> Jymmm: Depends, If I wanted to "grab a fan" I would need to sober up, take the motorbike to work, borrow a test car, find a 24 hour fan shop, take it home, return the car, take the bike home.
[18:41:20] <JT-Shop> While operating at its maximums the G540 can get up to 70C (158F) comfortably; heatsinking is mandatory if the temperature gets above that range.
[18:41:28] <JT-Shop> c&p didn't work
[18:41:35] <Jymmm> taide1: Any control box containing a G540 must have an adequate input and exhaust fan or an exhaust fan and an internal fan to circulate the air. The red graph shows if the G540 is left in still air or in a sealed environment under full load it will overheat, which may result in damage to the G540
[18:41:54] <Jymmm> http://www.geckodrive.com/g540-heatsinking
[18:41:59] <taide1> lol
[18:42:06] <JT-Shop> another reason I like the G251X
[18:42:08] <taide1> so that info is in a document separate from the user manual
[18:42:24] <JT-Shop> I quoted from the user manual
[18:42:30] <taide1> i plead documentation oversight
[18:42:32] <taide1> yes you did
[18:42:37] <taide1> im reading it now
[18:42:40] <JT-Shop> On the Geckodrive website is a document titled “G540 Heatsink Experiment” that discusses issues of overheating.
[18:43:16] <Tom_L> does it include mention of blue smoke?
[18:43:22] <JT-Shop> andypugh: take the near a car to work
[18:43:34] <Tom_L> base thread 781287 servo thread 997557
[18:43:39] <Tom_L> maybe not a good candidate for linuxcnc?
[18:43:42] <JT-Shop> YIKES!
[18:43:52] <andypugh> Tom_L: I can beat that, but only with the VM
[18:43:54] <Jymmm> taide1: From the manual...
[18:44:01] <Jymmm> The G540, being a stepper drive, is meant to get warm. While operating at its maximums the G540 can get
[18:44:01] <Jymmm> up to 70C (158F) comfortably; heatsinking is mandatory if the temperature gets above that range. On the Geckodrive website is
[18:44:01] <Jymmm> a document titled “G540 Heatsink Experiment” that discusses issues of overheating. If the G540 is in a control cabinet or an
[18:44:01] <Jymmm> area with limited airflow it is required to put an intake and exhaust fan in the enclosure. Please read the cited document if you
[18:44:03] <Jymmm> have further questions.
[18:44:06] <andypugh> Tom_L: Intel chopset?
[18:44:06] <Tom_L> it's the old via c3 eden board
[18:44:10] <JT-Shop> :)
http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Plasma%20Cutter/?action=view¤t=Plasma005.jpg
[18:44:11] <Tom_L> 512m ram
[18:44:19] <taide1> I'm unable to find the heatsink document on geckodrive.com
[18:44:20] <andypugh> RAM shouldn't matter
[18:44:33] <taide1> were you able to find it on there jymmm?
[18:44:34] <Tom_L> it's higher than that now
[18:44:38] <Jymmm> taide1: I JUT LINKED YOU TO IT
[18:44:54] <Tom_L> andypugh do you think it would work parport to the mesa cards?
[18:44:58] <JT-Shop> crap you just made me spill my cabnet savion
http://www.geckodrive.com/g540-heatsinking
[18:45:13] <andypugh> Tom_L: Not even that
[18:45:17] <Tom_L> ok
[18:45:21] <Jymmm> taide1: Your problem is your not reading, tsk tsk tsk
[18:45:29] <andypugh> Try the SMI fix?
[18:45:36] <Tom_L> i guess it'll just sit on irc where it's been the last few years
[18:45:52] <Tom_L> works good for that
[18:45:56] <taide1> haha
[18:46:06] <taide1> i go to do something and come back and we're 3 pages down
[18:46:12] <taide1> thanks for the link again
[18:46:25] <Jymmm> taide1: GO GET A DAMN FAN ALREADY and just try it
[18:46:44] <JT-Shop> too late Jymmm hes fried that drive
[18:47:08] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: probably, bt someone else on here had the same issue and a fan resolved it
[18:47:13] <JT-Shop> andypugh: have you tries Martell VS?
[18:47:16] <Tom_L> now servo thread: 997556 base thread: 1014105
[18:47:22] <andypugh> I think so
[18:48:16] <JT-Shop> I just finished a bottle and real close to Remy Martin
[18:48:47] <taide1> well I feel like an ass now
[18:48:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: by bottle, you mean handy cardboard frig box with wine bag inside?
[18:49:03] <taide1> I rtfm a half dozen times before powering up a few months ago
[18:49:12] <JT-Shop> no, Jymmm a real bottle with a cork
[18:49:15] <taide1> i wish this heatsink article was in the g540 manual
[18:49:20] <taide1> would have probably saved me an axis
[18:49:22] <Jymmm> taide1: IT IS
[18:49:27] <taide1> no, it's not
[18:49:29] <JT-Shop> taide1: you just got some experiance that's all
[18:49:32] <Jymmm> Yes, it is.
[18:49:40] <andypugh> taide1: Do you need the A?
[18:49:48] <taide1> this article is not in the manual, it's referenced briefly
[18:49:58] <taide1> it basically says "you dont need a heatsink but if you do read this"
[18:50:08] <Jymmm> taide1: Page 6 of 10 of the manual
[18:50:17] <JT-Shop> yea that grabbed my attention for sure
[18:50:37] <taide1> 6/10 is a wiring diagram
[18:50:41] <taide1> live and learn i guess
[18:50:44] <JT-Shop> taide1: your running max volts and the Z is the biggest load usually...
[18:51:06] <Jymmm> taide1: in the pdf manual search for "PROBLEM: G540 GETS HOT " pdf dated March 5, 2012
[18:51:20] <JT-Shop> I like to say if you don't get what you expect you just got some experiance
[18:51:35] <JT-Shop> so learn from the experiance
[18:51:52] <taide1> luckily i dont need a fourth axis
[18:52:08] <taide1> but i was hoping to use it eventually
[18:52:19] <andypugh> That's a solution, then. Or you might be able to wangle or pay for a repair.
[18:52:22] <Jymmm> taide1:
http://i45.tinypic.com/so1wuv.jpg
[18:52:37] <JT-Shop> or just get a G251X when the time comes
[18:52:49] <andypugh> I don't think a well-designed drive should kill itself, and yours seems to have died in a very odd way.
[18:52:56] <Jymmm> taide1: Now, did you try a fan yet?
[18:53:28] <taide1> i just found a junk cpu heatsink in the corner of my basement? awkward
[18:53:38] <Jymmm> taide1: not PC fan, a room fan
[18:53:57] <andypugh> That link says "return it for an evaluation" I think I would. Your symptoms sound unusual for a borked drive
[18:53:57] <taide1> yeah i got you but i can also just attach this heatsink too for giggles
[18:54:00] <Jymmm> 6 to 20"
[18:54:20] <Jymmm> taide1: WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING THIS SO FUCKIG COMPLICATED?!
[18:54:29] <Jymmm> fuck!
[18:54:33] <taide1> because i dont have a giant box fan
[18:54:33] <JT-Shop> relax Jymmm
[18:54:37] <taide1> i live in maine
[18:54:39] <taide1> it's basically canada haha
[18:54:57] <JT-Shop> or I'll smack you with a frozen mackerl
[18:54:58] * Tom_L aims a swamp cooler in Jymmm's general direction
[18:55:01] <taide1> i'm trying to diagnose with what i have
[18:55:11] <JT-Shop> ok send me some maine lobster
[18:55:12] <taide1> well that was interesting
[18:55:20] <taide1> sorry for being such a borkjob
[18:55:21] <JT-Shop> LOL
[18:55:33] <taide1> you paypal me i'd be glad to send you lobster
[18:55:38] <taide1> it's like $4 a pound right now
[18:55:44] <Tom_L> ok 8.04 just froze up
[18:55:46] <JT-Shop> is that good?
[18:55:56] <taide1> yes
[18:56:15] <taide1> surf and turf outside of the state with a 1.25 lb maine lobster is generally$30-40
[18:56:34] <taide1> lobster is cheaper than mcdonalds here
[18:56:39] <JT-Shop> we had a couple from Maine here a couple of years ago and sent for some lobster to have a lobster boil that was fun
[18:56:52] <andypugh> Never eaten Lobster, happy to keep it that way.
[18:57:03] <JT-Shop> shit I need to run up there and get a sack full
[18:57:35] <andypugh> Arthropods have too many legs
[18:57:47] <JT-Shop> just sea roaches really
[18:58:49] <JT-Shop> x axis has moved 0.685" so far at 0.01 ipm
[19:00:08] <Tom_L> don't try homing it at that feedrate
[19:00:15] <JT-Shop> LOL
[19:00:33] <JT-Shop> I just aborted it... it made me sleepy watching it
[19:02:34] <Tom_L> i should mess with the lathe package some more and get a full set of tooling in the tool list set up
[19:03:01] <Tom_L> i wish i could find my sanvick handy dandy book with all the shapes and numbers
[19:18:42] <taiden> I feel like every person has a maximum capacity for maine lobster
[19:18:46] <taiden> or lobster period
[19:18:52] <taiden> i reached mine two lobsters ago
[19:18:58] <taiden> i prefer to eat mussels
[19:20:21] <andypugh> The Belgians like their Moulles
[19:22:06] <taiden> http://www.elliottbaybrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/mussels.jpg
[19:22:09] <taiden> nomnomnomnomnom
[19:22:43] <andypugh> In their favour, it is hard for a mussel to look at you reproachfully like a fish, lobster or (especially) octopus can.
[19:23:14] <taiden> We generally name our lobsters after politicians
[19:23:18] <taiden> before cooking
[19:23:34] <taiden> makes it easier to handle the horror of steaming something alive
[19:23:38] <andypugh> I don't think I could ever eat an octopus, I like them too much.
[19:23:56] <taiden> sarah palin seems to be a common lobster around this house
[19:25:48] <andypugh> I still think SP is fairly cute, but it terrifies me that anyone so dumb can have any power.
[19:27:13] <andypugh> (Of course, I don't know her, and she might have been unfairly maligned on the Internet, the UK Press, the US Press, the TV, the radio...)
[19:30:39] <andypugh> Aha! Netatalk update has made things nice again
[19:30:54] <andypugh> (2.2 beta from some random site)
[19:32:10] <Tom_L> now stop messin with it!
[19:41:03] <andypugh> <puzzled>
http://imagebin.org/222957
[19:43:35] <djdelorie> refresh?
[19:43:49] <andypugh> I have
[19:44:24] <andypugh> And sserial.c has been there for a year or more, and is the file I am working on
[19:44:45] <Tom_L> did your recent fix change your rights?
[19:45:06] <Tom_L> <andypugh> Aha! Netatalk update has made things (not so) nice again
[19:45:09] <Tom_L> :)
[19:45:14] <djdelorie> any options for "hide makefile-generated files" or "only show group-writable files" ?
[19:45:29] <djdelorie> or "sort by some wierd field"?
[19:45:50] <andypugh> Possibly, it is notable that sserial .c has different rights
[19:46:00] <andypugh> (and they are sorted by name)
[19:47:29] <Tom_L> that's one thing that irritates me about linux is all the rights on a single user pc
[19:49:47] <alex4nder> DOS
[19:49:49] <alex4nder> is an option
[19:50:05] <Tom_L> i still use 6.22
[19:52:04] <andypugh> I see 6.22 as a hypermodern DOS. Doesnt that one allow spaces in filenames? (grudgingly)
[19:52:19] <Tom_itx> i don't think so
[19:52:24] <Tom_itx> i never really tried
[19:52:33] <andypugh> I think you need to use quites
[19:52:34] <Tom_itx> still the 8.3 file length
[19:52:41] <andypugh> Or quoits
[19:53:06] <Tom_itx> i've only got a couple programs i use it for
[19:53:12] <andypugh> Quoits are more fun than quotes, you see
[19:53:45] <Tom_itx> you see so much txting anymore it's hard to say what's misspelled
[19:55:13] <andypugh> Regardless of spelling, that's a really wierd use of "anymore" there. Is that a common use in the US?
[19:55:51] <Tom_itx> or misspelled mistyped
[19:55:53] <djdelorie> djgpp under ms-dos lets you use long file names, if you run the LFN extension driver
[19:57:12] <andypugh> No, the dictionary is with you " an·y·more   [en-ee-mawr, -mohr] Show IPA
[19:57:13] <andypugh> adverb
[19:57:14] <andypugh> 1.
[19:57:15] <andypugh> any longer.
[19:57:16] <andypugh> 2.
[19:57:17] <andypugh> nowadays; presently."
[19:58:30] <andypugh> I would be perfectly happy with "presently" or "nowadays" in your sentence. It seems that the word means more than I thought it did.
[20:00:18] <andypugh> Though it does seem to be normally limited to negative constructions, ie things that no longer eventuate, rather than which do.
[20:00:35] <andypugh> I can stop if nobody else finds this interesting.
[20:00:48] <Tom_itx> language is interesting
[20:00:59] <Tom_itx> english is crap but it's what we have
[20:01:14] <skunkworks__> it doesn't seem that odd... but it is at the fringe
[20:01:45] <andypugh> Hmm: In some dialects, chiefly South Midland in origin, it is found in positive statements meaning “nowadays”: Baker's bread is all we eat anymore. Anymore we always take the bus. Its use at the beginning of a sentence is almost exclusive to speech or to representations of speech
[20:01:53] <Tom_itx> one pc is too slow (poor latency) the other i can't seem to get linux to load on
[20:02:00] <Tom_itx> get cd read errors
[20:02:05] <Tom_itx> won't boot from USB
[20:02:20] <jdh> buy a d525
[20:02:24] <Tom_itx> i have one
[20:02:39] <Tom_itx> these are just sitting here though
[20:02:39] <andypugh> So, Tom_itx: Are you from Birmingham (not the one in Alabama)?
[20:02:46] <Tom_itx> no
[20:02:49] <Tom_itx> why?
[20:02:58] <Tom_itx> i've been thru there though
[20:03:08] <Tom_itx> not a place you want to stop
[20:03:26] <Tom_itx> i'm in the central US, Kansas
[20:03:34] <andypugh> My quote above from the dictionary. Your use seems to match UK midlands dielect.
[20:04:18] <Tom_itx> stone throw from JT
[20:04:26] <jdh> also southern US
[20:04:32] <Tom_itx> (if you own a cannon that is)
[20:07:57] <djdelorie> it's kinda amazing how many people hear I have a metal lathe, and then ask me to make them a cannon...
[20:10:13] <skunkworks__> you can make cannons?
[20:10:16] <skunkworks__> ')
[20:10:20] <skunkworks__> ;)
[20:12:22] <jdh> can you make a .22 camnom?
[20:13:00] <jdh> or cannon
[20:13:30] <djdelorie> I never said I could make a cannon...
[20:14:14] <r00t4rd3d> i could make a 22 cannon with a piece of round steel and my drill press
[20:14:59] <r00t4rd3d> hammer fired
[20:16:27] <r00t4rd3d> i got pine board for my signs :/
[20:16:42] <r00t4rd3d> 15 bucks for a 1x12x8
[20:16:56] <andypugh> Oh, I meant to say, you might find Oak cuts more cleanly
[20:17:31] <r00t4rd3d> they only have oak plywood at lowes
[20:17:48] <r00t4rd3d> the edges can fray easily
[20:17:54] <andypugh> That's not really the same thing
[20:17:57] <r00t4rd3d> ya
[20:18:34] <jdh> they have red oak
[20:19:01] <r00t4rd3d> i have some plain oak and dark mahogany stain
[20:19:20] <r00t4rd3d> but that is too expensive
[20:20:30] <r00t4rd3d> i hate how wood is not labeled correctly
[20:20:45] <r00t4rd3d> the dimensions
[20:20:55] <andypugh> Those darned illiterate trees!
[20:21:17] <r00t4rd3d> 1x12x8 is really 3/4x11 1/4x8 1/2
[20:24:06] <r00t4rd3d> im am going to give them a dollar next time and tell them its really a 20
[20:24:19] <r00t4rd3d> dont mind the label ill say
[20:24:57] <Tom_itx> beech should cut pretty good too
[20:25:28] <r00t4rd3d> i need to find a hardwood guy
[20:25:52] <r00t4rd3d> i got some amish people around
[20:25:54] <Tom_itx> paxton
[20:26:07] <Tom_itx> if they're still around
[20:26:14] <r00t4rd3d> i mean local
[20:26:49] <Tom_itx> http://www.paxtonwood.com/
[20:27:29] <r00t4rd3d> i know one amish guy that sells ruff cut pine boards but dont know if he has oak or some shit
[20:27:51] <Tom_itx> there used to be a local guy that had nearly every kind of veneer you could think of
[20:28:03] <Tom_itx> some very rare
[20:28:32] <r00t4rd3d> yeah there is no guys like that around here that i know of , sure there is
[20:28:54] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure if he's still around
[20:29:16] <Tom_itx> he didn't really have a shingle on the front of the building
[20:29:17] <r00t4rd3d> i know one normal guy who deals with strictly oak for cabinets
[20:29:39] <r00t4rd3d> and he charges up the ass for it
[20:30:13] <r00t4rd3d> but its all flat, straight, good grain, etc
[20:31:01] <r00t4rd3d> hmm now that i think of it he is a Mennonite.
[20:31:29] <r00t4rd3d> his wife wears that bonnet getup
[20:32:59] <r00t4rd3d> i like when religious people come to my door, most times buy the time the first bong is gone, so are they!
[20:38:40] <jdh> they smoke and run?
[20:39:01] <r00t4rd3d> the ones who stay get asked to recite Peter 2:18 or a couple other fucked up verses i know of
[20:39:07] <r00t4rd3d> i smoke, they run.
[20:41:16] <jdh> things like that don't bother the real fundie true believers. They just cherry pick the parts they like and say you don't understand the others.
[20:42:56] <r00t4rd3d> anyone who can read the bible cover to cover and still devote their lives to it has got to be some kind of messed up in the brains
[20:43:18] <jdh> you just don't understan.
[20:44:25] <jdh> heh... outbid notice 2 mins after the auction ends
[20:44:43] <r00t4rd3d> sniped!
[20:45:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game
[20:45:46] <r00t4rd3d> that has to be a kickstart record
[20:45:51] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170885376869
[20:46:04] <jdh> might have had useful parts (mpg anyway)
[20:46:18] <r00t4rd3d> just launched this morning, 600k already.
[20:46:35] <jdh> how do they get people to really commit?
[20:46:38] <jdh> or do you pay up front?
[20:46:43] <r00t4rd3d> up front
[20:46:51] <r00t4rd3d> if it dont get started, you get a refund
[20:47:20] <r00t4rd3d> they reached their funding around noon time today
[20:47:31] <r00t4rd3d> about 5 hours after they posted
[20:48:10] <r00t4rd3d> virtual sex slave is one step closer
[20:48:12] <jdh> I hope my son makes it through undergrad before those get too popular
[20:48:40] <r00t4rd3d> cool thing is, you can buy one right now
[20:48:54] <r00t4rd3d> you dont even have to wait
[20:49:01] <jdh> so what is the funding for?
[20:49:09] <r00t4rd3d> mass produce
[20:49:16] <r00t4rd3d> you can get the dev kit
[20:49:29] <r00t4rd3d> for 275
[20:49:37] <r00t4rd3d> aww they sold out now
[20:49:54] <r00t4rd3d> 300 for the super duper dev kit still available
[20:51:24] <r00t4rd3d> i bet those are going to be the iphone of vr goggles
[20:52:13] <r00t4rd3d> it would be cool to look around your parts or precuts in 3d
[20:53:00] <jdh> I don't get how they go from res: 1280x800 (each eye 640x400)
[20:53:13] <r00t4rd3d> x2
[20:53:30] <r00t4rd3d> 2 eyes , 2 screens
[20:53:49] <jdh> there are at best, that would be 1280x400
[20:53:59] <r00t4rd3d> watch the video
[20:54:33] <r00t4rd3d> give the credit card to the wife first though
[20:55:13] <jdh> I don't do games
[20:55:25] <r00t4rd3d> porn?
[20:55:51] <jdh> 640x400 porn?
[20:56:07] <jdh> one says 640x400 each, one says 640x800 each
[20:56:17] <r00t4rd3d> the screens are an inch from your eye
[20:56:44] <r00t4rd3d> put your nose on your monitor screen now, how much you see side to side?
[20:56:50] <jdh> looks like one was a typo.
[20:57:12] <jdh> still not many pixels
[20:57:18] <jdh> but, better than what I read first.
[20:57:45] <r00t4rd3d> imagine a virtual internet, instead of going webpage to webpage, you cruise down a road, looking into peoples website
[20:58:12] <jdh> can I change my name to Hiro?
[20:58:35] <Tom_itx> i'd rather fly
[20:58:59] <jdh> I see no way to buy one?
[20:59:07] <r00t4rd3d> register
[20:59:25] <r00t4rd3d> then click the big green BACK THIS PROJECT at the top
[20:59:41] <r00t4rd3d> choose the 300 dev kit
[20:59:42] <jdh> and you get it now?
[20:59:45] <r00t4rd3d> yup
[20:59:51] <r00t4rd3d> doom 3 too
[20:59:56] <r00t4rd3d> ready for online play
[21:00:26] <jdh> nah
[21:00:32] <r00t4rd3d> do it and give it to me
[21:00:33] <jdh> estimated delivery Dec. 2012
[21:00:53] <r00t4rd3d> i imagine it will be sooner
[21:01:20] <r00t4rd3d> theyve doubled their funding goal
[21:03:51] <r00t4rd3d> if you got that for a boy child, you would be god.
[21:04:47] <r00t4rd3d> i imagine the dev kit might require some pcb soldering
[21:06:35] <r00t4rd3d> jdh did you show your buddy that logo?
[21:08:48] <jdh> no, it needs another N at the end
[21:14:37] <r00t4rd3d> oh yeah
[21:15:08] <r00t4rd3d> upload it to imgur for me
[21:15:30] <jdh> upload what?
[21:15:30] <r00t4rd3d> i deleted it
[21:15:33] <r00t4rd3d> that pic
[21:15:35] <jdh> heh
[21:15:36] <r00t4rd3d> you still have it?
[21:15:41] <jdh> nope
[21:15:45] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[21:15:52] <jdh> was that a stock font?
[21:16:08] <r00t4rd3d> free one i found
[21:16:11] <jdh> is there something that will let you create a font out of a pic?
[21:16:32] <r00t4rd3d> dont know, i do know there is font making apps
[21:16:40] <r00t4rd3d> not sure how they work
[21:29:35] <geo01005> any body have any ideas/ tools to correct for the diameter of the touch probe tip when doing 3d surface probing?
[21:31:00] <jdh> closest you could get would be to subtract the radius from whatever direction you were probing?
[21:31:34] <jdh> but, if you Z probe and it makes, you don't know if it hit bottom or a sloped side.
[21:32:06] <Tom_itx> could you enter it as a tool with a diameter offset?
[21:32:42] <geo01005> yes, that is what I'm talking about, the slope of the surface could be estimated with the points probed next to the point in question.
[21:32:57] <jdh> only if you knew it was a slope.
[21:33:50] <jdh> I think that would be a function of point cloud smoothing or something?
[21:36:04] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370499459381
[21:36:54] <geo01005> Well you need to have the real contact point before you fit a surface to the point cloud.
[21:37:21] <geo01005> When you fit a surface to a point cloud it is already assumed that you want the points to lie on the surface.
[21:39:18] <Tom_itx> have you tried entering it as a tool with diameter offset? then when you probe, Tx M6 to select it
[21:39:41] <geo01005> Well the probe is spherical, not just a cylinder.
[21:40:05] <Tom_itx> i don't know how linuxcnc handles ballnose em surface contouring
[21:40:11] <Tom_itx> but it would be similar
[21:41:21] <jdh> huh?
[21:48:28] <Tom_itx> the tool table could have a nose radius for path compensation but it doesn't
[21:48:38] <Tom_itx> that would help here i believe
[21:50:49] <jdh> I don't think you could apply tool compensation to probing
[21:52:47] <Tom_itx> there should be a way to describe the tool diameter and tip
[21:52:57] <Tom_itx> whether it's probing or cutting
[21:53:46] <Tom_itx> it's not an issue for me when cutting since my cad cam compensates for the tool shape
[21:58:07] <skunkworks__> can
[21:58:11] <skunkworks__> can
[21:58:44] <skunkworks__> can't you just connect the dots and offset it by the probe radius?
[21:59:13] <Tom_itx> it's not as easy on a contoured surface as the probe touches different angles as it probes
[21:59:54] <Tom_itx> and you need to apply the geometry to both axis in the path properly
[22:00:13] <skunkworks__> I would think it would be as accurate as the probe density..
[22:01:12] <jdh> probably close, but on a steep slope, it might be off more?
[22:01:46] <Tom_itx> it's not as big a deal if you know the surface you are touching off. for example when you use it for edge finding on a vise you know it's going to be x or y
[22:04:34] <skunkworks__> right (best thing ever) :)
[22:05:29] <Tom_itx> just use a laser beam instead
[22:07:50] <Tom_itx> http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/portal/pls/portallive/docs/1/44246.PDF
[22:10:01] <Tom_itx> http://www.ee.ust.hk/~atc/pubs/Probe_Radius_Compensation.pdf
[22:13:53] <Tom_itx> on a probe you also need to know how much deflection there is before the switch toggles
[22:14:15] <Tom_itx> preferrably none :)
[22:43:06] <taiden> so a friend is giving me a p4 box
[22:43:22] <taiden> is hyperthreading going to be an issue?
[23:11:14] <r00t4rd3d> no
[23:11:58] <r00t4rd3d> normally you can disable that in the bios anyway
