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[02:02:21] <DJ9DJ> moin
[04:09:27] <zunnoorain> hello
[04:09:33] <zunnoorain> every one
[04:10:11] <zunnoorain> hi
[04:10:19] <archivist> allo
[04:10:21] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:10:33] <archivist> in irc just ask the real question :)
[04:10:34] <zunnoorain> morning
[04:10:42] <zunnoorain> ok sory i m new
[04:11:39] <zunnoorain> i need to know can we use delcam,edgecam, or power shape etc to program CNC?
[04:12:58] <zunnoorain> helo?????? am i connected? and am i talking to a real person or to a computer?
[04:13:10] <archivist> we are bots
[04:13:16] * Loetmichel was just on the road buying breakfeast... Fact: the spontaneous purchase i made yesterday has to get some attention: the speedo doesent work, the battery wont get charged, one side plate is gone and the air intake box sounds like empty... bur otherwise: i dont regret buying this toy... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13465
[04:13:47] <zunnoorain> what?
[04:13:58] <archivist> pulling your leg
[04:14:27] <zunnoorain> oh my god i think u r not a real person just a computer
[04:14:44] <archivist> there are 90ish people in here
[04:14:48] <zunnoorain> ok bye
[04:15:00] <DJ9DJ> lol
[04:15:34] <zunnoorain> hi
[04:16:55] <zunnoorain> hi
[04:17:47] <zunnoorain> hi
[04:17:51] <archivist> I see you are confused
[04:17:51] <zunnoorain> every one
[04:18:03] <archivist> do not keep repeating
[04:18:15] <zunnoorain> i dnt know how to use IRC
[04:18:33] <zunnoorain> it is not like Yahoo, or MSN messanger
[04:19:12] <archivist> you ask a sensible question and lork, hoping for an answer or three
[04:19:17] <archivist> lurk
[04:20:07] <archivist> yes you can use a cam package to program a cnc
[04:20:29] <archivist> in here many of us hand write the gcode though
[04:20:47] <Thetawaves> or try to write code to write gcode for us.
[04:21:51] <Allied> hi
[04:22:07] <archivist> Thetawaves, I am doing that with apt360 when I have learnt enough about it
[04:23:05] <archivist> Allied, it is bad form in irc to pm, ask in open channel then many can answer
[04:24:01] <Poincare> archivist: you just said what I wanted to say...
[04:25:59] <Allied> hi i am new to IRC, can we have private chat?
[04:26:34] <Poincare> just say/ask what you want to say/ask in the channel
[04:26:49] <Poincare> I'll have privave chat's with my spouse(s)...
[04:26:55] <archivist> Allied, better to ask in channel, you get better answers that way as each has different experience
[04:27:52] <Allied> ok i am using MOTENC-Light PCI card with EMC2 do anyone have any experience ?
[04:28:56] <Allied> why do i need breakout cards and I/O cards along with PCI card?
[04:29:47] <archivist> usually for the opto isolation and the connectors
[04:30:29] <Poincare> archivist: now you did it again!
[04:30:38] <Allied> ok what is Sherline, and Xylotex?
[04:31:08] <Poincare> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherline
[04:32:14] * archivist lets Poincare take the heat for a bit :)
[04:32:36] <Poincare> http://duckduckgo.com/?q=xylotex
[06:19:42] <Zunnoorain> What is the difference between I/O cards and breakout cards??
[06:22:13] <Zunnoorain> What is the difference between I/O cards and breakout cards
[06:31:28] <Zunnoorain> anybody there???
[06:31:43] <Zunnoorain> anybody there????/
[06:33:59] <Zunnoorain> ??????????
[06:35:47] <Allied> hi any one there????/
[06:41:03] <ReadError> Allied: dont pm me
[06:41:22] <ReadError> quick way to get the ban hammer brought down if you randomly start pm'ing people that arent here
[06:55:30] <syyl> some people might think that this channel is a service-hotline ;)
[06:55:50] <syyl> and you have to be available 24/7
[06:59:53] <archivist> I did try to teach him/her the ask and lurk part...seem to have failed there :)
[07:00:19] <syyl> you cant always have success ;)
[07:01:39] <syyl> ha, we were casting alumium yesterday again :D
[07:01:40] <syyl> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/Grillen%26Gie%C3%9Fen/IMG_0802.JPG
[07:01:46] <syyl> untill darkness felt..
[07:04:14] <jthornton> I recognize that crucible
[07:06:10] <syyl> its the "square tube with welded bottom" crucible
[07:06:10] <syyl> :D
[07:06:24] <jthornton> and two rings
[07:06:30] <syyl> jep
[07:06:36] <syyl> the melt off sometimes...
[07:06:46] <archivist> I went on an ebay trip for someone else but stopped by to see stonemasons at work
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_07_27_York_Stonemasons/
[07:07:47] <r00t4rd3d> ebay trip?
[07:07:50] <r00t4rd3d> to pick something up
[07:08:15] <r00t4rd3d> ur server is too slow for large pics.
[07:08:47] <archivist> server is fast, adsl is slow
[07:09:10] <r00t4rd3d> something
[07:09:19] <syyl> something is slow, yes :D
[07:09:40] <jthornton> yes it is slow over here too
[07:09:59] <syyl> maybe we shouldnt click all the pictures the same time..
[07:10:10] <jthornton> lol
[07:10:17] <syyl> na, cracy idea
[07:10:18] <syyl> ;)
[07:10:19] <r00t4rd3d> or just upload the album to imgur
[07:11:00] <r00t4rd3d> 25% and i give up
[07:11:21] <syyl> i am patient :D
[07:11:45] <andypugh> They are very large photos too.
[07:12:05] <andypugh> I am seeing a Rocket, not a stonemason.
[07:12:26] <syyl> img_1280 is the first with stone..
[07:12:32] <r00t4rd3d> i could make all those pics less the 100k and still look good
[07:13:15] <andypugh> Hmm, not the Rocket, now I see more of it.
[07:14:46] <syyl> nice pictures
[07:14:56] <archivist> oops I just moved the yrm pics into a subdire
[07:15:04] <r00t4rd3d> you mean picture cause i know you only got 1 to load in this time
[07:15:16] <syyl> i got almost all :D
[07:15:28] <syyl> sucking away all the bandwith
[07:15:29] <syyl> :D
[07:15:30] <r00t4rd3d> must be
[07:18:32] <r00t4rd3d> archivist, your original 2.4mb, Mine, 70KB
http://i.imgur.com/JG7zC.jpg
[07:19:11] <syyl> thats because your parts the picture shows are much smaller
[07:20:14] <r00t4rd3d> well i didnt get too touchy feely with it
[07:21:28] <archivist> stonemason in pic ending 1280 saw me taking pics and came over and got the camera and took pics of the gargoyle he is carving
[07:21:46] <r00t4rd3d> 21kb
http://i.imgur.com/B60Et.jpg
[07:21:49] <r00t4rd3d> hows that syyl
[07:21:53] <archivist> he said six weeks for that block
[07:22:13] <archivist> so far
[07:22:18] <syyl> i am impressed by that gear(?) ;)
[07:22:21] <andypugh> These are working on the Minster?
[07:22:43] <archivist> andypugh, yes, open day on the 10th of aug
[07:22:57] <archivist> so one can go up the scaffolding
[07:23:12] <andypugh> Ooh.
[07:23:23] <archivist> I sure am thinking about it
[07:25:13] <andypugh> I made the ball finial, the kneelers and the chimneys here:
http://www.bodgesoc.org/Slaithwaite2/Cottage_end.JPG
[07:25:51] <andypugh> (The righ-hand chimney pot is terrcacotta, I didn't make that)
[07:33:42] <r00t4rd3d> i do roof top work occasionally too
http://i.imgur.com/Y64T8.jpg
[07:33:45] <archivist> Im on the 1:20 pm trip :)
[07:38:50] <archivist> andypugh, they charge for trips up the scaffold 7.50 but I think the stonemasons yard/s are free. will see on the 10th
[07:40:33] <andypugh> That's a Friday isn't it? I am on a trackday in Louth that day.
[07:41:19] <archivist> choices for fun days out.....
[07:42:30] <archivist> I just hope nobody asks me to do something else around that time
[08:04:36] <r00t4rd3d> so you can ride scaffolding?
[08:06:12] <syyl> just because you can do something, its not always a good idea..
[08:09:26] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, yes
http://www.yorkminster.org/history-and-conservation/works-department.html
[08:56:02] * Loetmichel has just engraved the next 70 Slot Plates... -> http://youtu.be/v59vyLhvj78
[08:57:42] <Loetmichel> Note to self: modifying the max. accel. from 200 to 500mm/s^2 reduces the milling time to the half ;-)
[09:00:37] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: That is just SO wrong! (that you had to make those in the first place)
[09:00:42] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: !
[09:02:07] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: why?
[09:03:03] <Jymmm> BILLIONS stamped out in china for less that $0.0001 each, yet you had to design and fabricate them
[09:25:25] <Tom_itx> Jymmm iirc i suggested making one stamp may be quicker than milling all 400
[09:26:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, the point I was trying to make, is having to make them at all.
[09:26:36] <Jymmm> It's like making your own pencil; just not worth the time or effort.
[09:26:55] <Tom_itx> not worth seinding 400 units back either
[09:27:01] <Tom_itx> sending*
[09:27:20] * Tom_itx turns the light on so he can see the kbd
[09:27:23] <Jymmm> ?
[09:28:15] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: hrhr
[09:28:26] <Loetmichel> yes, i contemplated making a stamp
[09:28:54] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: what is the purpose in making these in the first place?
[09:28:56] <Loetmichel> but i have no experience doing tha for STEEL, even if its very mild steel.
[09:29:23] <Loetmichel> and the 500 systems have to be in the same optics, so making a stamp no wouldnt be good
[09:29:40] <Tom_itx> i guess the ones we did were for aluminum sheet. all we did was flame harden the cutting edge
[09:29:54] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: mounting an external usb Soundstick internally in a PC. and getting the 2 audio plugs out
[09:29:56] <Tom_itx> that way it could easily be resharpened as well
[09:30:09] <Loetmichel> that are the slotplates of the gbit nics, there was enough room ;-)
[09:30:15] <Tom_itx> a couple were like 2' wide
[09:35:12] <r00t4rd3d> time for my router to make me some cash
[09:35:12] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/abuuv.jpg
[09:40:54] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: bah. didnt got a piece of wood without a branch?
[09:42:54] <r00t4rd3d> was scrap to use as example
[09:47:53] <r00t4rd3d> i bet i can sell it on craigslist with the knot
[09:47:59] <r00t4rd3d> for 20 bucks
[09:48:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/uNo75.jpg
[10:45:52] <Tom_itx> what would most likely be minimal hardware linuxcnc would run on?
[10:46:02] <Tom_itx> 286 probably too slow?
[10:46:07] <Tom_itx> 386?
[10:47:18] <r00t4rd3d> i got 8.04 to run on a via m10000
[10:47:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.viaembedded.com/en/products/boards/81/1/EPIA_M_%28EOL%29.html
[10:48:22] <Tom_itx> i'd rather stick with 10.04 +
[10:48:46] <r00t4rd3d> well i updated all the emc2 stuff to the latest linuxcnc stuff
[10:49:10] <r00t4rd3d> just the ubuntu was version 804
[10:49:13] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/itx/EPIA-MII-45.jpg
[10:49:17] <Tom_itx> i'm running that one here
[10:50:15] <Tom_itx> can you run 2.5 on 8.04?
[10:50:24] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[10:50:45] <Tom_itx> upgrade from the live cd?
[10:50:50] <r00t4rd3d> net
[10:50:58] <r00t4rd3d> just add the right repo
[10:51:22] <Tom_itx> i bet it's slow
[10:51:48] <r00t4rd3d> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
[10:52:01] <Tom_itx> i think i've looked at that
[10:52:04] <r00t4rd3d> at the bottom
[10:52:11] <r00t4rd3d> On Ubuntu Hardy 8.04
[10:52:51] <r00t4rd3d> my d525 came before i had a chance to cut anything with it
[10:53:26] <r00t4rd3d> but it was all working
[10:53:52] <Tom_itx> i wonder if my current setup would work on it as far as hal and ini stuff. i can't see why it wouldn't
[11:11:56] <JT-Shop> For the record, the newest versions are in:
[11:11:57] <JT-Shop> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:librecad-dev/librecad-daily
[11:19:18] <r00t4rd3d> thats for the daily build
[11:19:31] <JT-Shop> yea 2.x I think
[11:19:34] <r00t4rd3d> bleeding edge, untested
[11:19:39] <r00t4rd3d> or unstable
[11:19:48] <JT-Shop> or neither or both
[11:19:58] <JT-Shop> just depends on how lucky you are
[11:22:46] <r00t4rd3d> that would get old real quick though if you have your "Other" sources set to auto update
[11:23:11] <r00t4rd3d> even though ubuntu has updates itself just about daily
[11:24:58] <r00t4rd3d> An Angry Father's Mission:
[11:24:58] <r00t4rd3d> 'You Sold My Kid Bath Salts
[11:24:58] <r00t4rd3d> and I'll Kill You'
[11:25:06] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[11:25:39] <jdh> if my kids are that stupid, it's not the seller's fault.
[11:26:16] <r00t4rd3d> the "kid" was 24
[11:28:17] <r00t4rd3d> jdh do you make shit and sell it?
[11:28:48] <r00t4rd3d> on your router*
[11:34:15] <archivist> I make quality and occasionally sell it
[11:35:04] <archivist> never admit to seling shit look what happened to Gerald Ratner
[11:35:57] <archivist> google "ratner effect"
[11:41:11] <jdh> if the kid is that old and that stupid... it's even less the seller's fault.
[11:41:30] <jdh> I don't sell anything. I have been paid for some stuff though.
[12:13:58] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[12:24:19] <mazafaka> a
[12:47:42] <Guest29049> Good morning. Has anyone experienced the following:
[12:48:33] <JT-Shop> must be a survey
[12:48:47] <archivist> yes,no,maybe
[12:48:50] <Tom_itx> how's things JT-Shop?
[12:48:56] <Guest29049> more than one physical pin (in my case pin 01, 02, 04, etc) being controlled by more than one hal pin
[12:48:58] <Jymmm> or a pharmacutical commercial
[12:48:58] <Guest29049> sorry,
[12:49:18] <Guest29049> LOL. I like the pharm question
[12:49:26] <JT-Shop> like a parallel port pin?
[12:49:36] <jdh> try a pullup/down
[12:50:01] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: doing good just got up from a nice nap while it rained
[12:50:06] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: you can just put out every halsignal to every pin
[12:50:06] <Guest29049> Yes. Let me rephrase: clicking estop on axis changes the pin1 phy pin, but also 2, 4, 6, ets
[12:50:11] <Jymmm> "Lasting more than four hours..." That's not a medical issue, that's a scheduling issue!
[12:51:18] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: just copy the hal word to all of your wanted pins
[12:51:32] <JT-Shop> "kindly let me know if you still have this for sale as you just posted it on CL
[12:51:32] <JT-Shop> thanks" now that is a dumb question
[12:51:35] <Guest29049> yes. I have been using halrun to attempt to change the physical pin state (0 or 5 V),. Let me back up and try to rephrase the question. On minute.
[12:51:37] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop send some rain this way
[12:52:18] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: is it only the e-stop or do you also use mahine on
[12:52:36] <JT-Shop> sorry my sprinkler won't reach that far
[12:52:51] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: where are you from ? Contionent Country
[12:53:15] <Guest29049> I configed "my-mill" using stepconf wizard using the stepconf wiz. Halmeter shows that axis is responding (in manual mode) properly, but the only physical pin actually changing according to my dvm.
[12:53:29] <Tom_itx> i water some but to look at it you'd not know
[12:53:42] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: you need to do this by hand
[12:54:07] <Guest29049> Would you be interested in reviewing my hal file?
[12:54:28] <IchGuckLive> yes we will do
[12:54:36] <Tom_itx> post it somewhere
[12:54:40] <IchGuckLive> but its not clear what you expect
[12:54:47] <Guest29049> thank you. I'll brb with url
[12:55:01] <IchGuckLive> e-stop out on 4 pysical pins Why
[12:55:01] <jdh> floating
[12:55:56] <r00t4rd3d> Guest29049, type /nick MikeCNC
[12:56:34] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: do you know him
[12:56:38] <r00t4rd3d> no
[12:57:19] * JT-Shop is looking at the begginings of LibreCAM
[12:57:56] <r00t4rd3d> look at sketchup and the phlat script plugin
[12:58:01] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: same as pycam engrave
[12:58:42] <IchGuckLive> sketchup via blender 2 linuxcnc wars my university diploma
[12:58:45] <JT-Shop> what is the same as pycam engrave?
[12:59:00] <IchGuckLive> ibrecam
[12:59:36] <JT-Shop> I'm confused LibreCAM is not released anywhere yet
[12:59:54] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: do you work with mazak components therfore you need a e-stop chain
[13:00:25] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: libecad team is working on it
[13:00:48] <IchGuckLive> with the code of pycam engrave
[13:01:35] <JT-Shop> I've not used pycam engrave so I don't reconize the code as that
[13:02:31] <IchGuckLive> will it be a librecad plugin from you
[13:02:42] <Guest29049> i need to reboot
[13:02:55] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
[13:03:00] <JT-Shop> I'm looking at it at the moment
[13:04:22] <JT-Shop> phlatscript looks like it is for making model airplanes
[13:04:30] <IchGuckLive> your own code and glade3 code
[13:04:49] <JT-Shop> librecad is done with Qt Creator
[13:06:14] <JT-Shop> the EMC post is in python and the rest is in C++
[13:06:50] <Tom_itx> is there a downside to running 2.5 in ubuntu 8.04?
[13:07:09] <IchGuckLive> ok you know that librecam is a espanoel tradmark
[13:07:37] <JT-Shop> no, not sure what that means
[13:08:25] <IchGuckLive> the librecad team wanted to name the cam plugin
[13:08:47] <IchGuckLive> and not going with separate install
[13:10:27] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: im with you at the cam i use heekscnc for dxf 2 emc
[13:10:55] <IchGuckLive> as i did alotoff postprocess work
[13:11:37] <IchGuckLive> as speceal the CRC stuff for my education lessons
[13:16:06] <IchGuckLive> ok im off
[13:19:33] <Tom_itx> anyone run their D525 atom 24/7?
[13:19:37] <Tom_itx> wondering about heat issues
[13:20:36] <ReadError> i do
[13:20:38] <ReadError> no issues
[13:20:46] <ReadError> i have it in a midtower ATX though
[13:31:04] <JT-Shop> both of my 525's are on all the time unless there is a power out
[13:31:21] <JT-Shop> they are in compact cases desined for that board
[13:31:34] <Tom_itx> i think i'm gonna try 8.04 on this via board and see if it works
[13:31:58] <Tom_itx> then i may use the atom for this for a while
[13:35:58] <jdh> my 525 has been on since I got it.
[13:54:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Most focus on the CPU, but you really have to worry about the N/S bridges as they get hotter usually.
[13:55:33] <Jymmm> or at least a significant failure point.
[13:58:08] <JT-Shop> dang he left before I could understand what he said
[14:21:37] <michaelgrogan> test
[14:21:52] <djdelorie> test failed
[14:32:33] <Jymmm> pregnancy? STD? SAT?
[14:32:44] <djdelorie> PID!
[14:32:52] <Jymmm> ah, bummer
[14:33:16] <djdelorie> actually, my pid stuff seems to be starting to work...
[14:34:02] <Jymmm> From everything I've heard in hear, servo tuning sounds more like voodoo to me.
[14:34:10] <Jymmm> s/hear/here/
[14:34:30] <djdelorie> yup
[14:34:46] <djdelorie> there's a lot of math in the code, and even more math in reality...
[14:34:58] <Jymmm> What I dont get is why can't it be scoped?
[14:35:11] <djdelorie> the fun at the moment is that I'm testing the code with a 48v power supply and no motor load, instead of the 120v power supply and CNC machine load...
[14:35:21] <djdelorie> scoped?
[14:35:56] <Jymmm> Yeah, I can toss my car on a scope, an engine on a scope, why not a servo motor?
[14:36:25] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/cnc/rpm-PI-1.html
[14:36:40] <djdelorie> that's my RPM pid loop on a scope...
[14:37:20] <Jymmm> Ok, so there's no proggy to read the scope results and start going thru the process?
[14:37:31] <djdelorie> that's another whole level of voodoo
[14:37:48] <Jymmm> eh
[14:38:10] <djdelorie> search for "automatic pid tuning"
[14:42:56] <Tom_itx> Jymmm yeah, my graphic chip starts crapping out when it gets too dusty inside
[14:44:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Use a HVAC filter on the air intake
[14:44:24] <Jymmm> cheap and easy to replace
[14:51:29] <alex4nder> YOH
[14:51:39] <alex4nder> er
[15:02:38] <JT-Shop> I need some of those cut to fit filters for the computers in the shop
[15:03:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Might be easier to just make a three sided frame using Z-channel aluminum
[15:03:42] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: the MB in the hardinge don't like to be closed up
[15:03:43] <Jymmm> or U chanel
[15:03:48] <JT-Shop> for?
[15:04:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: to just slip in a hvac filet as is
[15:04:08] <Jymmm> filter
[15:04:16] <JT-Shop> much too big
[15:04:17] <Jymmm> or filet if you like the smell
[15:04:27] <Jymmm> more air == good
[15:04:51] <cylly> *buring swarf flying* ... 15kRPM and F200 seems a bit much for a 6mm TC drill bit in sheet steel ;-)
[15:04:54] <JT-Shop> I need like 6 x 6
[15:05:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: car air filter?
[15:05:50] <JT-Shop> I have a tractor air filter on my VMC
[15:08:14] <Jymmm> there ya go =)
[15:08:25] <Jymmm> Maybe a yugo filter =)
[15:08:37] <Jymmm> or 1972 Honda =)
[16:02:31] <Tom_itx> the 8.04 iso download link gives a 'Forbidden' warning. the mirror seems to work
[16:04:07] <Tom_itx> ok time to clean this box
[16:16:50] <JessicaRN> just gen'd a 13M gcode file... sheesh
[16:17:55] <r00t4rd3d> how many lines?
[16:18:45] <skunkworks__> JessicaRN: still going with linuxcnc?
[16:19:02] <JessicaRN> 797,000 lines... omg
[16:19:20] <r00t4rd3d> hope you got a fast machine or are real patient
[16:19:24] <djdelorie> 3-D carving or something?
[16:19:26] <JessicaRN> at this point I'm going with whatever will cut my parts
[16:19:40] <JessicaRN> yeah, it's a sculptural part
[16:19:56] <JessicaRN> fast??? lol
[16:20:11] <JessicaRN> I think the mill will be working for a week
[16:20:28] <jdh> longer run times are bad IMO
[16:20:41] <Tom_L> it goes thru lines quick on surfaces
[16:20:46] <JessicaRN> i'm gonna try and break it into smaller parts and run each seperatly
[16:20:57] <r00t4rd3d> what are you making? pic?
[16:21:08] <r00t4rd3d> show us something...
[16:21:33] <JessicaRN> no pic yet. it's a sun motif, but there are no flats to it. all curves
[16:21:39] <jdh> why is it that on irc, guys are always trying to get girls to give them pics of their parts.
[16:21:47] <JessicaRN> lol
[16:21:52] <djdelorie> she's a girl?
[16:21:58] <r00t4rd3d> show me your parts!
[16:22:18] <r00t4rd3d> djdelorie, in usa, jessica is a popular female name.
[16:22:23] <jdh> dj: it's there interwebbes... all girls are guys, unless they are 14, then then they are fbi agents.
[16:22:30] <djdelorie> or dogs
[16:22:32] <JessicaRN> i want to ultimately cut 3d scans. those are gonna be huge
[16:22:56] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:22:57] <djdelorie> r00t4rd3d: on the web, your "name" doesn't mean squat about you. It's all fake, right? ;-)
[16:22:59] <r00t4rd3d> are you a registered nurse?
[16:23:04] <JessicaRN> yeah
[16:23:12] * skunkworks__ looks at his nick
[16:23:15] <JessicaRN> i work in the ER of a local hospital
[16:23:30] <Tom_L> i would never have guessed
[16:23:35] <skunkworks__> I figured rn was registered nurse...
[16:23:44] <JessicaRN> you guys are quick
[16:24:20] <r00t4rd3d> am not!
[16:24:38] <r00t4rd3d> what did you generate that code with?
[16:24:54] <JessicaRN> hmmm... i think pycam
[16:25:06] <JessicaRN> i've tried 57 things
[16:25:26] <r00t4rd3d> use sketchup and phlatscript if you are new.
[16:25:26] <JessicaRN> it might have been a "borrowed" mastercam 9.1
[16:25:28] <skunkworks__> heh - join the club. from what I have heard - pycam is a bit slow.
[16:25:35] <skunkworks__> but works decent
[16:25:59] <JessicaRN> i drew the part in 123d and outputted it as an stl.
[16:26:21] <r00t4rd3d> with sketchup you can do it all in one program and its pretty easy to use
[16:26:24] <JessicaRN> I ultimately want to scan parts and send them to 123d create
[16:26:35] <Tom_L> hmm this is 10.04... didn't realize that
[16:26:35] <r00t4rd3d> make your part, do the tool path, output the gcode
[16:26:38] <JessicaRN> sketchup makes gcode?
[16:26:44] <Tom_L> it must be an old emc2 install
[16:26:54] <r00t4rd3d> yeah with the phlatscript plugin
[16:27:01] <JessicaRN> wow.
[16:27:05] <JessicaRN> didn't know that
[16:27:19] <JessicaRN> is it good g'code? optimized?
[16:27:21] <Tom_L> JT-Shop will that get me into trouble?
[16:27:30] <Tom_L> not sure the date on this cd
[16:27:49] <Tom_L> i thougt it was 8.04 but it's not
[16:27:56] <r00t4rd3d> JessicaRN, yeah its good
[16:28:14] <JessicaRN> with a name like phlatscript (flat?) does it only make slices? i need tool paths
[16:28:45] <r00t4rd3d> it does tool paths
[16:28:47] <JessicaRN> you know if you can import stl's into sketchup?
[16:28:54] <r00t4rd3d> the name comes from the phlatformer they sell
[16:29:40] <r00t4rd3d> they have a stl imported plugin
[16:29:54] <r00t4rd3d> a export dxf plugin also
[16:30:44] <JessicaRN> hmmm.... wish i woulda known this sooner. I've been jerkin around with a ton of other tools. any serious limitations to that setup?
[16:30:59] <r00t4rd3d> not for me
[16:31:12] <r00t4rd3d> i was in the same boat, 800 different cad/cam programs
[16:31:16] <r00t4rd3d> now i use just a couple
[16:31:30] <JessicaRN> will the free sketchup do the job or do i need pro?
[16:31:42] <r00t4rd3d> sketchup+phlatscript plugin, microcarve, cut2d
[16:31:48] <r00t4rd3d> i use the free
[16:32:11] <r00t4rd3d> but have pro on my cnc's computer
[16:32:21] <JessicaRN> what are you cutting on? a hobby mill?
[16:32:28] <r00t4rd3d> sure
[16:32:33] <r00t4rd3d> you could call it that
[16:32:41] <r00t4rd3d> diy
[16:32:42] <JessicaRN> just 3 axis?
[16:32:47] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[16:33:24] <JessicaRN> did google sell sketchup? shite.
[16:33:28] <r00t4rd3d> nah
[16:33:34] <JessicaRN> I liked it better when it was a google product
[16:33:39] <JessicaRN> nah?
[16:33:41] <r00t4rd3d> it still is
[16:33:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/jSTZv.jpg
[16:33:48] <r00t4rd3d> thats my machine
[16:34:10] <JessicaRN> floating gantry?
[16:34:19] <r00t4rd3d> it is made from wood
[16:34:33] <r00t4rd3d> i think the motors would sink it though
[16:34:49] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[16:34:51] <r00t4rd3d> ya
[16:35:29] <JessicaRN> chuckles
[16:35:36] <JessicaRN> looks like a fireball
[16:36:45] <JessicaRN> my homebuilt is a float also. you lose a little rigidity, but save a lot of footprint
[16:38:21] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/uNo75.jpg
[16:38:26] <JessicaRN> the gerber machine I own is a rigid gantry over a moving x-y. I'm gonna mod that machine to go from z 1/2" to a 6" plunge. I hope to cut metal on that
[16:38:38] <r00t4rd3d> i cut that today with Cut2D and a dxf file from this place :
http://mydxf.blogspot.com/
[16:38:48] <JessicaRN> nice
[16:39:09] <JessicaRN> i need to be cutting a sign soon. I just opened an art gallery with my partner.
[16:40:19] <r00t4rd3d> do you have a logo yet?
[16:40:29] <JessicaRN> yeah
[16:42:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://mydxf.blogspot.com/2008/12/design-127.html
[16:43:10] <JessicaRN> nice. i wish i had a plasma cutter! that would be fun! I found one for $1500, but the guy was a creeper.
[16:43:14] <skunkworks__> I had converted a gerber machine to linuxcnc before I sold it..
[16:43:39] <JessicaRN> i'm psyched about the gerber cuz it is so solid.
[16:44:23] <skunkworks__> http://youtu.be/a_OUNLruaVQ
[16:46:57] <JessicaRN> that your machine?
[16:47:27] <skunkworks__> 'was my machine.. sold it - paid for quite a bit of a garage ;)
[16:48:07] <JessicaRN> nice. which phlatscript do i need to d/l?
[16:48:16] <JessicaRN> sketchucam?
[16:49:39] <r00t4rd3d> yeah same thing
[16:49:45] <r00t4rd3d> they are sorta renaming it
[16:49:59] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.phlatforum.com/
[16:50:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.phlatforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=2
[16:50:35] <JessicaRN> not gonna install a rootkit with this thing?
[16:50:57] <r00t4rd3d> no
[16:51:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchup.google.com/training/videos.html
[16:51:17] <JessicaRN> maybe it is YOUR rootkit???
[16:51:19] <r00t4rd3d> first watch some of them if you are not use to sketckup , i watched only the first
[16:51:21] <JessicaRN> *grins*
[16:52:20] <JessicaRN> will it work on sketchup8?
[16:52:26] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[16:53:52] <r00t4rd3d> pro too
[16:54:15] <r00t4rd3d> with pro you can export to dxf without the dxf export plugin i think
[16:57:10] <JessicaRN> hmmm... i made my original on 123d and exported it to .stl to make my first gcode tool path. sketchup doesnt wanna read either the 123d file or the .stl
[16:57:16] <JessicaRN> do i need another plugin?
[17:02:20] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: what?
[17:04:14] <r00t4rd3d> stl plugin
[17:04:21] <r00t4rd3d> import plugin
[17:04:48] <JessicaRN> i just found one on sourceforge. i'll try that unless you know of a better one.
[17:04:57] <JessicaRN> microcarve is also a plugin?
[17:05:15] <r00t4rd3d> no a app
[17:05:17] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2010/03/sketchup-stl-importer-redo.html
[17:05:23] <r00t4rd3d> that is the stl import plugin i use
[17:05:45] <r00t4rd3d> he also makes other useful plugins
[17:05:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/p/my-plugins.html
[17:06:26] <JessicaRN> i'll check it out. the sourceforge one is both an importer and an exporter
[17:08:27] <JessicaRN> is microcarve a paid app?
[17:08:52] <Skullworks> Have not had a chance to put v2.5 on real hardware yet, but I assume we still have the accel/decel limit of running no faster than what can be stopped within 1 block.
[17:09:19] <JessicaRN> what about cut2d? is that a paid app also?
[17:11:01] <Tom_L> JT-Shop i just wondered if the old 10.04 probably 'emc2' era would present a problem but it's rather moot now as i restarted with the newer cd
[17:11:20] <JessicaRN> r00t4rd3d: Still there?
[17:15:44] <r00t4rd3d> yeah paid, its only like 32 bucks though
[17:16:10] <JessicaRN> sheesh! you must think I'm RICH!
[17:16:13] <JessicaRN> damn...
[17:16:20] <JessicaRN> *grins*
[17:16:22] <r00t4rd3d> well , microcarve is 32, cut2d i didnt buy
[17:16:36] <DaViruz> whaat
[17:16:38] <JessicaRN> cut2d trial any good?
[17:16:42] <DaViruz> i paid $150 får my cut2d
[17:16:42] <r00t4rd3d> didnt try it
[17:16:47] <DaViruz> they have lowered it that much?
[17:17:02] <r00t4rd3d> i got in my boat and put my eye patch on
[17:17:16] <r00t4rd3d> ARGGGGGGGGGG!
[17:17:20] <DaViruz> arrrrr!
[17:17:22] <Tom_L> we don't promote that here either
[17:17:55] <r00t4rd3d> you dont like sailing?
[17:18:09] <Tom_L> seriously doubt that was the reference
[17:19:23] <r00t4rd3d> i wast promoting anything either.
[17:19:32] <JessicaRN> you know of a good 123d importer for sketchup?
[17:19:32] <r00t4rd3d> wasnt*
[17:19:37] <r00t4rd3d> never messed with 123d
[17:19:46] <Skullworks> The .gov loves PIRACY - They just call it Due Process of Asset forfieture.
[17:20:08] <DaViruz> 123 dimensions, i have trouble with the nine dimensions of string theory
[17:20:40] <DaViruz> sorry
[17:23:18] <r00t4rd3d> DaViruz, do you have cut3d?
[17:23:32] <r00t4rd3d> i got it but havent messed with it
[17:23:46] <JessicaRN> r00t4rd3d: phlatscript saved a blank file...
[17:24:03] <r00t4rd3d> you didnt view the tutorial now did you?
[17:24:08] <DaViruz> r00t4rd3d: nope, just 2d
[17:24:11] <JessicaRN> rtfm???
[17:24:12] <r00t4rd3d> did you drop your safe zone?
[17:24:17] <JessicaRN> What me???
[17:24:19] <DaViruz> used it quite a lot though
[17:24:24] <r00t4rd3d> no zone, no gcode
[17:24:32] <JessicaRN> heheh
[17:24:33] <JessicaRN> cool
[17:24:36] <andypugh> JessicaRN: You might find that the G-code you have is made from lots of tiny short lines. That makes LinuxCNC run rather slowly. You might get better results on sculptural parts by decreasing the fidelity of the CAM (longer line segments) and then setting LinuxCNC to smooth things out. ie, if you set the accuracy tolerance in the CAM to be the same as the G64 tolerance in LinuxCNC you should get the intended geometry but
[17:24:36] <andypugh> faster-running code.
[17:24:38] <JessicaRN> i'll rtfm
[17:24:47] <r00t4rd3d> just watch the basic tut
[17:25:10] <JessicaRN> thx andypugh
[17:25:19] <JessicaRN> k, root
[17:25:20] <JessicaRN> will do
[17:25:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9f-bC3hpHQ&feature=player_embedded
[17:25:39] <r00t4rd3d> thar
[17:25:41] <r00t4rd3d> thats what i watched
[17:25:57] <andypugh> Talking about CAM, I got sent an ArtCAM Demo CD last week. It seems to be a rather inexpensive product (£100). I might get the chance to have a look at it by the middle of October.
[17:26:12] <r00t4rd3d> i got artcam
[17:26:21] <r00t4rd3d> thats a weird one
[17:26:30] <r00t4rd3d> artcam 2008
[17:26:32] <jthornton> JessicaRN, do you want the link to the relevant section of the manual?
[17:26:55] <JessicaRN> jthornton: yes, tyvm
[17:27:01] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[17:27:07] <JessicaRN> you can read it too me as well!
[17:27:10] <r00t4rd3d> jthornton, we talking google sketchup
[17:27:28] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait nvm
[17:27:33] <jthornton> no, setting Linuxcnc G64
[17:27:58] <andypugh> <ponder> Here in the UK "RN" would normally mean "Royal Navy"
[17:28:14] <r00t4rd3d> in usa it means registered nurse
[17:28:55] <Tom_L> andypugh what do they title the nurses there?
[17:29:03] <JessicaRN> I knew a guy in the Royal Navy... his name was roger. I think he was a cabin boy.
[17:29:06] <r00t4rd3d> head nurse
[17:29:13] <andypugh> Reminds me of someone a friend claimed to have met working in a University department who was a monk, with a high-level nursning qualification, and a chair. He was Professor Brother Sister…..
[17:29:35] <JessicaRN> you can always tell the head nurse... she wears kneepads
[17:29:52] * jthornton waits for a definitive answer for the link
[17:30:12] <JessicaRN> jt, sorry... yes, please
[17:30:31] <andypugh> I think that they use "SRN" for State Registered Nurse.
[17:30:36] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/User_Concepts.html
[17:30:50] <JessicaRN> tyvm
[17:31:07] <jthornton> this also may be of interest to you
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tutorial/index.html
[17:32:04] <JessicaRN> hmmm... somehow I gather you are familiar with that material.
[17:37:18] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: ok
[17:37:34] <JT-Shop> I think he is for sure
[17:39:45] <skunkworks__> jthornton has been key on heh
[17:41:03] <Tom_L> JT-Shop i'm just not sure it will run on this itx is all
[17:44:07] <JT-Shop> if it don't back down to 8.04
[17:44:25] <Tom_L> i'm getting beeps from the bios right now
[17:44:31] <JT-Shop> hey skunkworks__
[17:45:09] <skunkworks__> Hi jt
[17:45:21] <skunkworks__> bathroom remodel in full swing...
[17:45:28] <JT-Shop> yikes!
[17:45:31] <JT-Shop> what fun
[17:45:45] <skunkworks__> yes. Atleast I am not tiling this time
[17:46:22] <JT-Shop> that hurts my knees to do that
[17:47:50] <skunkworks__> yes - smallish room - most of the tile is on the walls
[17:50:27] <JT-Shop> I found the smaller the room the longer it took it seemed like all corners and no room...
[17:51:45] <skunkworks__> lots of cuts ;)
[17:52:23] <jdh> artcam looks cheap until you get the add-ons that let it actually do things
[17:57:22] <Tom_L> latency test doesn't load from the menu
[18:05:42] <JessicaRN> anyone used fluidimporter?
[18:05:47] <JessicaRN> any good?
[18:10:22] <skunkworks__> Tom_L: what are you trying to do?
[18:11:12] <Tom_L> i'm putting 2.5 on an old epia board
[18:11:25] <Tom_L> but the latency test won't start from the menu
[18:11:38] <skunkworks__> there is an issue with the livecd that if you have internet access during the install - the ubuntu update that happens during install borks linuxcnc
[18:11:40] <Tom_L> the rest loaded on the hdd and appears to run so far
[18:11:50] <Tom_L> i'm aware of that one i think
[18:11:54] <skunkworks__> ok
[18:12:01] <Tom_L> i had that issue on the atom
[18:12:05] <Tom_L> with 4g ram
[18:12:40] <Tom_L> it will also bork with 4g ram
[18:12:50] <Tom_L> either / or
[18:14:04] <JT-Shop> the MB on the Hardinge I had to install 8.0.4 then install EMC from the script... only way I could get it to work
[18:14:51] <Tom_L> the install appears to have worked and loaded the hm2-stepper conf
[18:15:35] <Tom_L> i'd rather use it if it will work
[18:15:50] <Tom_L> at least until i can get another atom setup
[18:15:50] <JT-Shop> cool
[18:16:08] <Tom_L> it's been my irc client machine for a long time
[18:16:26] * JT-Shop goes back to the smoker
[18:16:26] <Tom_L> i'll copy over my hal stuff once the update is done
[18:16:42] <Tom_L> what's smokin tonight?
[18:36:01] <andypugh> Spindle encoder:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pIX99XXyplXGFZIsyTV2Y9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:38:46] <skunkworks__> andypugh: what is it sensing?
[18:38:56] <skunkworks__> (I know a gear - but could we see that?)
[18:40:38] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/50sU9lCdX6QIFUW_s5hL5tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:41:13] <skunkworks__> screw is the endex?
[18:41:18] <andypugh> (I tapped a tommy-bar adjuster hole to put that screw in as a once-per-rev index
[18:41:33] <skunkworks__> neat
[18:41:53] <andypugh> I might make something without the driver recess if that double-hits
[18:42:10] <skunkworks__> I thought about doing that on the k&t but didn't think there was enough teeth..
[18:43:00] <skunkworks__> for rigid tapping.
[18:43:33] <andypugh> I will see how it goes, the other mill only has a few slots (45 I think)
[18:44:01] <skunkworks__> how many theeth?
[18:44:06] <skunkworks__> heh - teeth
[18:44:13] <andypugh> I haven't counted.
[18:44:33] <skunkworks__> looks to be 20ish
[18:44:40] <skunkworks__> (guestimate)
[18:45:13] <andypugh> I think it is more than that.
[18:45:47] <andypugh> But looking at the photo, that's what I guess too.
[18:46:01] <skunkworks__> What did you end up for a sensor?
[18:46:35] <andypugh> ATS667. It seems to be the only one that there is, really.
[18:47:08] <Tom_L> you'd think there would be a competing part
[18:47:14] <Tom_L> i couldn't find one
[18:47:28] <andypugh> Strange, isn't it?
[18:47:36] <Tom_L> yup
[18:47:41] <skunkworks__> maybe it iis hard to get right...
[18:47:49] <andypugh> Maybe they don't work..
[18:48:25] <skunkworks__> heh - I think jonE has it on his bridgeport and claims it works perfectly
[18:48:30] <Tom_L> maybe other apps add a magnet
[18:48:52] <skunkworks__> he drilled a hole for the index iirc
[18:50:07] <andypugh> Mine is all full of oil and expensive spindle bearings. I didn't want to contaminate it. (I smeared the taps with grease to catch the swarf)
[18:52:21] <Skullworks> live CD with 2.5 installed without eth0 connected - still pooched. - Going with the normal Ubuntu and will run the script.
[18:53:06] <Tom_L> Skullworks how much ram do you have?
[18:53:27] <Tom_L> too much will cause the same thing
[18:55:13] <Skullworks> 2GB
[18:55:51] <Skullworks> HP d530 3GHZ hyper disable
[18:56:28] <Skullworks> single core :(
[18:56:37] <skunkworks__> can you take out 1gb?
[18:56:46] <Skullworks> really!
[18:57:12] <skunkworks__> (you can put it back once installed)
[18:57:35] <jdh> I thought it did that at 4gig
[18:58:41] <Skullworks> hmm - this load is almost done - I'll grab another HDD and try again - I just brought home about 30 40gb hdd that we don't need as spares at work anymore.
[18:59:00] <Tom_L> 2 gb should be ok
[18:59:14] <Tom_L> well crap, after all that i can't use this pc anyway
[18:59:21] <Tom_L> no parport
[18:59:30] <Tom_L> i'd have sworn it had one
[18:59:58] <r00t4rd3d> get a usb controller :)
[19:00:08] <Tom_L> no
[19:01:00] <Tom_L> i may have a legacy card i can put in it
[19:01:31] <Tom_L> it'll be the wrong buss though
[19:02:06] <Tom_L> it may have one on the mb that needs a plug
[19:02:19] <Skullworks> USB is a dirty word
[19:03:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ncstudio-CNC-3-Axis-USB-Hand-Held-Controller-2-4G-Wireless-/130700398343?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6e59cf07
[19:03:58] <r00t4rd3d> want
[19:04:26] <Skullworks> I need to order a IDC cable for my DM510 to my 7i43
[19:08:00] <Skullworks> other than for a touch probe - wireless on a cnc scares me.
[19:32:16] <Skullworks> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Ubuntu10.04PackageNotes - install script listed still points to EMC 2.1 Breezy
[19:40:12] <Tom_L> 1394 is parport right?
[19:40:38] <jdh> firewire
[19:40:44] <Tom_L> k
[19:40:53] <jdh> 1284? is pport
[19:41:13] <jdh> in G82, G83, what is L?
[19:41:15] <Tom_L> naw this says 1394
[19:41:32] <jdh> are you going to believe it or me?
[19:41:45] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270977546376 looks better to me.
[19:43:10] <jdh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#_g83_peck_drilling_cycle_a_id_sec_g83_drilling_peck_a
[19:43:27] <jdh> that shows an "L-" , but doesn't say what it is.
[19:43:38] <andypugh> Skullworks: Old page, try this one:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_10_04_using_precompiled_EMC2_packages
[19:47:38] <Tom_L> jdh loop count
[19:48:01] <Tom_L> Fixed cycle loop count: Defines number of repetitions ("loops") of a fixed cycle at each position. Assumed to be 1 unless programmed with another integer. Sometimes the K address is used instead of L. With incremental positioning (G91), a series of equally spaced holes can be programmed as a loop rather than as individual positions.
[19:48:51] <andypugh> You would have to be quite brave, wouldn;t you?
[19:49:41] <Tom_L> probably why linuxcnc doesn't mention it
[19:50:15] <r00t4rd3d> andypugh,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-axis-remote-pendant-Ncstudio-for-CNC-router-engraving-machine-with-wire-/250948133638?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6daca306
[19:50:54] <andypugh> I saw that, but it's got a wire so that it works reliably.
[19:50:55] <jdh> Tom_L: why?
[19:51:04] <Tom_L> because they didn't
[19:51:25] <Tom_L> not a much used parameter
[19:52:06] <jdh> it is specified as an option to G82/G83, but no explantion of what it is in context.
[19:52:38] <Tom_L> but i did
[19:52:59] <Tom_L> enter an L2 and see what happens
[19:53:53] <Jymmm> Ok, I tossed something up on CL with photos for $25, some guy offers $20 and I ignore the email and a weeks goes bye. Now the guy emails me again today offer $30.
[19:54:29] <andypugh> It is discussed in the general canned-cycle intro (section 35.3)
[19:54:57] <r00t4rd3d> andypugh, right now i use a nintendo controller
[19:55:10] <andypugh> jdh:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#_repeat_cycle
[19:56:15] <andypugh> It could be used for a canned boring cycle with a self-adjusting boring head, for example.
[19:58:06] <jdh> I did find that (eventually), wasn't sure it applied to g83 though.
[19:58:27] <jdh> There is also L - tool orientation
[19:58:31] <andypugh> G83 is a canned-cycle. I am not sure if the docs make that completely clear.
[19:59:16] <jdh> and: L- - Specifies which ends of the thread get the taper
[19:59:29] <Tom_L> The L number is optional and represents the number of repeats. L=0 is not allowed. If the repeat feature is used, it is normally used in incremental distance mode, so that the same sequence of motions is repeated in several equally spaced places along a straight line. In absolute distance mode, L > 1 means "do the same cycle in the same place several times," Omitting the L word is equivalent to specifying L=1. The L number is not sticky.
[20:00:06] <Tom_L> from RS274NGC_interpreter_v3 doc
[20:17:56] <r00t4rd3d> jdh, cut3d is beetter then cut2d :/
[20:18:01] <r00t4rd3d> better*
[20:19:19] <r00t4rd3d> makes lots of things of thingiverse cuttable
[20:20:43] <r00t4rd3d> things on*
[20:21:32] <r00t4rd3d> double whammy
[20:23:10] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna try this nema 17 to 23 adapter
[20:28:42] <Skullworks> Thanks Andy, I had found that one - but put it to the acid test before I go back to fix the old page.
[20:30:42] <Skullworks> I tried to torture the system with 3 instance of glxgears + youtube, but Youtube demanded a FLASH upgrade that had to update 345 files...
[20:31:32] <Tom_L> andy has left the building
[20:32:09] <Skullworks> I vote FLASH as virus of the year - between it and Acrobat it keeps me employed keeps the sales types PC's functional.
[20:36:57] <Skullworks> "L" is also a reserved word address in most FANUC formats.
[20:39:08] <Skullworks> But you really want to confuse someone have them try to learn Hurco Max NC - G83 Z Z Z Z Z Q F and the "Z" values are unsigned....
[20:42:50] <Tom_L> realtime system did not load
[20:42:54] <Tom_L> ?
[20:43:39] <Tom_L> hurco are screwy
[20:46:39] <Skullworks> yeah - but the MAX-II control cardrack comes out as a unit - and you can drop in your PC and some Pico or Mesa hardware and be up and running in under 24hrs if you don't have a toolchanger.
[20:47:28] <Skullworks> and they sell for scrap iron prices
[20:47:43] <Tom_L> i wonder why the rtapi didn't load
[20:57:43] <r00t-Shed> http://i.imgur.com/Jvmz5.png
[20:57:46] <r00t-Shed> finish pass
[21:05:59] <Skullworks> what made the toolpath?
[21:06:53] <r00t-Shed> cut3d
[21:07:56] <Skullworks> I was looking at GRZ software mesh-cut
[21:08:25] <jdh> cut3d is not really related to cut2d
[21:08:55] <jdh> r00t: I get King StarBoard(tm) at boat stores (or any hardware store here)
[21:09:00] <r00t-Shed> made by same people
[21:09:24] <jdh> yeah, so is aspire and wtf... different methods, etc though.
[21:09:24] <r00t-Shed> functions are pretty much the same in both apps
[21:09:55] <jdh> cut3d does pockets, profiles, drills?
[21:10:37] <r00t-Shed> sure if you want, really made for cutting 3d models a 3d printer can print
[21:10:49] <r00t-Shed> top sides bottom
[21:10:55] <jdh> I didn't see any 2d ops
[21:11:10] <r00t-Shed> just do the top
[21:11:12] <tjb1> what is it r00t-Shed
[21:11:14] <r00t-Shed> 2d only
[21:11:19] <jdh> huh?
[21:11:31] <r00t-Shed> if you only cut the top, its 2d
[21:11:41] <jdh> oh. Not the same.
[21:11:51] <r00t-Shed> tjb1, a nema17 to 23 adapter
[21:12:17] <r00t-Shed> im cutting pretty much 2d with it now, cutting top only, and drilling holes
[21:13:55] <r00t-Shed> if i ever break a stepper again i have an extra 17 i can use till i get a new 23
[21:13:59] <jdh> not the same, but, whatever.
[21:14:12] <Skullworks> sounds like a good good for sheetcam
[21:14:20] <Skullworks> good job
[21:14:45] <jdh> I finally hit my vise with an end mill :(
[21:15:23] <Connor> jdh: Ouch How did you do that ?
[21:15:39] <jdh> mdi, not looking, numlock got turned off.
[21:15:49] <Skullworks> but then I still use my uber powerful BobCAD v12 for DOS - which still bbeats out the crap I pay $1000's for. :(
[21:15:56] <Connor> hurt the vise or endmill ?
[21:16:14] <jdh> made a mark on the vise, not on the edge though. End mill still cut Al ok.
[21:16:40] <Connor> was the spindle running ?
[21:16:49] <jdh> my KB has a sleep key in the upper left corner... if you hit it accidentally, you have to acknowledge some stupid dialog box before you can hit escape
[21:16:56] <jdh> 2500rpm
[21:17:04] <jdh> 3/8" end mill
[21:17:07] <Connor> Nice! :)
[21:17:48] <jdh> facing the tramming aids by hand/mdi
[21:18:00] <Connor> Cool
[21:18:01] <jdh> went Z-.25 instead of Z-.025
[21:18:17] <Connor> Ouch.
[21:19:23] <jdh> other than that, they came out ok. I don't have any 1/4-28 screws though
[21:19:49] <Connor> Don't break a tap in the column when tapping the holes! :)
[21:20:01] <jdh> heh, that woudl suck.
[21:20:11] <Connor> Cast Iron is a pain to tap.
[21:20:35] <jdh> the X mounting holes weren't too bad
[21:20:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I think I just found another carbon knife, though I haven't checked the price yet =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuWGEmqkMsg
[21:21:20] <Connor> I broke one in the column.. managed to have enough sticking out to grip it with vise grips.. damn thing broke when I was backing it out! Go figure.
[21:21:23] <jdh> I made those 10-32 though since I had lots of 10-32 taps
[21:22:15] <Connor> When using those tramming aids.. back off the set screw before taking each measurement..
[21:23:06] <jdh> I still havent' really trammed the mill.
[21:23:40] <jdh> I did the head by taking .002 cuts with my big face mill.
[21:24:06] <Connor> what sort of face mill do you have ?
[21:24:16] <Connor> I got a fly cutter.. but, I think the bits suck.
[21:24:39] <jdh> import 2.5" indexable
[21:25:08] <jdh> makes really nice cuts though
[21:25:29] <jdh> I've decided my $179 HF band saw is the best cheap chinese thing I have though.
[21:28:04] <Jymmm> jdh: Yeah, ppl are actualyl surprised by it.
[21:28:33] <jdh> I got a 'good' blade, but the stock on is still cutting fine
[21:28:48] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, phuk me... $275!!! We're goin the wrong way...
http://stores.thepathfinderschoolllc.com/-strse-180/PLSK1-Pathfinder-1-Knife/Detail.bok
[21:29:04] <Jymmm> jdh: Yeah, just think of it as a bonus blade =)
[21:32:03] <jdh> I need to make some screwless vise hold down clamps
[21:39:50] <Connor> jdh: Huh ?
[21:40:52] <jdh> http://littlemachineshop.com/Projects/ViseClamps.php
[21:41:02] <Connor> Ah.
[21:47:33] <jdh> otoh, I haven't had a real need for that vise.
[21:47:58] <Jymmm> i hope not for a HF band saw
[21:56:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/la-bella-luna-3d-3ds/610193
[22:09:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/MGHuo.jpg
[22:10:54] <JessicaRN> what size are you cutting that?
[22:10:59] <r00t4rd3d> 12 hours to cut that lol
[22:11:19] <JessicaRN> sheesh
[22:11:25] <JessicaRN> how big?
[22:11:25] <r00t4rd3d> im not cutting it, was just messing with the program
[22:11:57] <JessicaRN> 12 hrs is the est?
[22:12:01] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[22:12:06] <JessicaRN> sucky
[22:12:07] <r00t4rd3d> it would be faster though
[22:12:48] <JessicaRN> https://anonfiles.com/file/6533ee5e4ecafd9c3b7c7fccf842256c
[22:13:02] <JessicaRN> grab that and then change the ext to .stl
[22:13:09] <tjb1> you cutting it with a .003 endmill?
[22:13:13] <JessicaRN> that's the design I'm hoping to cut
[22:13:55] <JessicaRN> (the stupid uploader wouldn't let me u/l a .stl. i had to rename it .txt)
[22:14:18] <tjb1> Well I guess you cant get enough rpm to cut at full feed ;)
[22:14:27] <r00t4rd3d> me?
[22:14:58] <JessicaRN> didn't you ask to see what i was working on earlier?
[22:15:02] <r00t4rd3d> 1/8 and 1/16 i did the simulation with
[22:15:10] <JessicaRN> oh
[22:15:13] <JessicaRN> oops
[22:15:21] <r00t4rd3d> i was talking to tjb1 sry
[22:15:25] <JessicaRN> np
[22:15:29] <tjb1> Get a better spindle/router root :)
[22:15:34] <tjb1> moar fast
[22:15:39] <r00t4rd3d> its not that
[22:15:52] <r00t4rd3d> tb6560
[22:16:11] <r00t4rd3d> i have a dewalt dwp611 router
[22:16:12] <tjb1> limits of driver eh
[22:16:51] <tjb1> only 16k-27k rpm
[22:17:25] <r00t4rd3d> JessicaRN, did you make this?
[22:17:31] <JessicaRN> yeah
[22:17:34] <JessicaRN> why?
[22:17:35] <r00t4rd3d> that would be a good one for cut3d
[22:18:01] <JessicaRN> cut3d costs $$$
[22:18:20] <tjb1> Hey r00t, g540 ;)
[22:18:30] <r00t4rd3d> gimmie money
[22:18:55] <tjb1> i dont have any
[22:18:59] <tjb1> its only $299
[22:19:06] <JessicaRN> if you get some, pass it my way. i just learned I have bunyons that need to be cut off....
[22:19:31] <tjb1> bunions?
[22:19:36] <JessicaRN> yeah
[22:19:45] <Skullworks> once you go gecko... you never want to go back
[22:19:50] <tjb1> caused by shoes?
[22:19:53] <JessicaRN> i'm dyslexic and a crappy spelr
[22:20:00] <Tom_itx> i'll 2nd Skullworks
[22:20:10] <JessicaRN> it sucks to be a nurse and have em...
[22:20:22] <tjb1> Hey r00t, its $290 at cncrp
[22:20:43] <Tom_itx> i'm using the 203v
[22:20:52] <jdh> what's cncrp
[22:21:01] <JessicaRN> r00t4rd3d: the toolpath for that ended up being 14M
[22:21:04] <Skullworks> its also about the time of year for the customer appreciation sale...
[22:21:19] <tjb1> Or about 270 on ebay if you are feelin lucky
[22:21:26] <tjb1> jdh: www.cncrouterparts.com
[22:22:34] <jdh> $250 at keling
[22:22:49] <jdh> he used to do 239 on ebay
[22:23:31] <Skullworks> I need to learn the accel formula so I can write a indexer driver app for an Arduino for my Hurco.
[22:24:02] <r00t4rd3d> JessicaRN,
http://i.imgur.com/B3vfs.jpg
[22:24:22] <r00t4rd3d> i changed the size
[22:24:43] <jdh> you can do 240ipm?
[22:25:02] <JessicaRN> what size did you make it?
[22:25:15] <r00t4rd3d> like 4.5x4.5
[22:25:52] <r00t4rd3d> Ìû
[22:26:01] <JessicaRN> it was in mm to start with. you made it 4.5mm?
[22:26:01] <tjb1> Anyone know what program this is in?
http://i.imgur.com/I8iV3l.jpg
[22:26:09] <r00t4rd3d> no i changed to inches
[22:26:17] <JessicaRN> k
[22:26:32] <jdh> tjb1: looks like inventor
[22:27:03] <Skullworks> Rhino?
[22:27:04] <jdh> at least the floating toolbar on the right
[22:27:34] <jdh> maybe not, that top icon isfunky
[22:27:47] <r00t4rd3d> JessicaRN,
https://anonfiles.com/file/161b66e9b838eb16ed3e950c5f2ecbbe
[22:27:53] <r00t4rd3d> look at that in linuxcnc
[22:28:00] <r00t4rd3d> those*
[22:28:33] <jdh> r00t: what size end mill is that for?
[22:28:48] <r00t4rd3d> rough was with a 1/8 endmill, finish 1/16 ball end
[22:29:01] <Tom_itx> where do you get them?
[22:29:08] <Tom_itx> and what size shank do they have?
[22:29:30] <r00t4rd3d> who me?
[22:29:38] <Tom_itx> ya u
[22:29:48] <r00t4rd3d> ebay, 1/8 shank
[22:29:58] <JessicaRN> what did you gen the toolpath with?
[22:30:05] <r00t4rd3d> cut3d
[22:30:09] <JessicaRN> shit
[22:30:14] <Tom_itx> i have trouble getting ballnose that small locally
[22:30:20] <jdh> tjbl: that toolbar is in inventor fusion... free download.
[22:31:06] <tjb1> free?
[22:31:19] <JessicaRN> r00t4rd3d: ty
[22:31:22] <Connor> tjb1: Confirm. That's inventor.
[22:31:32] <tjb1> Thanks
[22:31:48] <tjb1> Free as in free, or the free 1 year student deal
[22:31:58] <jdh> inventor fusion is free, plain inventor isn't (Other than student)
[22:32:12] <tjb1> Whats the difference?
[22:32:31] <jdh> dunno
[22:33:00] <tjb1> And even free on the mac app store, wonderful!
[22:33:32] <JessicaRN> r00t4rd3d: would you do me a fav? rescale the original to 10" dia and then reg it for me?
[22:33:44] <JessicaRN> regen
[22:33:54] <tjb1> Im confused with cable and rf shielding, should you just connect 1 shield end to ground or both ends?
[22:34:03] <jdh> one end only
[22:34:46] <tjb1> http://www.automation.siemens.com/doconweb/pdf/840C_1101_E/emv_r.pdf?p=1
[22:34:56] <tjb1> This in secton 6 says both ends should be connected though
[22:35:21] <tjb1> "The best shielding effect is achieved by
[22:35:21] <tjb1> connecting the shield to ground at both ends"
[22:35:22] <jdh> not for shielding, for keeping ground potential the same maybe
[22:36:07] <Tom_itx> not necessarily true
[22:36:19] <Tom_itx> typically you leave one end of a shield open
[22:36:41] <jdh> that's what I've always seen/done/read also.
[22:37:00] <jdh> but... I'd assume they do know better than me.
[22:37:18] <jdh> or this is just for one particular config?
[22:37:30] <Tom_itx> i forget exactly why but it may cause ringing or false grounds. i'm not exactly sure
[22:37:36] <tjb1> "As a general rule, the cable shield must be connected at both ends in a 360°,
[22:37:36] <tjb1> conductive contact with the enclosure to ensure that the cable is immune to HF
[22:37:37] <tjb1> interference."
[22:37:43] <tjb1> Sorry, that was copy and pasted...
[22:39:00] <tjb1> But everything I have read on the forum says to ground 1 end
[22:39:23] <theorbtwo> I think in general, you want to make sure that the lowest-resistance ground available to your case is the earth ground, not the case of some other appliance, I think.
[22:39:35] <theorbtwo> The easy way to do that is to not connect the case grounds.
[22:39:59] <theorbtwo> That's my possibly bad recollection and distilation, though.
[22:40:24] <Tom_itx> there is signal ground and frame ground
[22:40:29] <Tom_itx> and star ground
[22:40:48] <Tom_itx> star is good, all wires come back to a common point
[22:40:57] <Tom_itx> not looped from one to the next to the next
[22:41:30] <Tom_itx> signal ground is just that, it completes an electrical path and must follow all the way to it's destination
[22:41:42] <jdh> this is just rf shielding
[22:42:07] <Tom_itx> frame ground is more for noise lowering and i believe should only be grounded on one end
[22:42:12] <Tom_itx> of a cable
[22:42:42] <r00t4rd3d> JessicaRN, here is your 10 inches :
https://anonfiles.com/file/6a414b0c8061c207d8b2b5ad53f0f39e
[22:43:07] <JessicaRN> omg....
[22:43:11] <tjb1> So I should have a bolt or stud somewhere in my electronics box and ground everything to this single point
[22:43:14] <JessicaRN> you just had to say that...
[22:43:23] <r00t4rd3d> opps
[22:44:06] <r00t4rd3d> now show me your bunyons
[22:44:09] <Tom_itx> tjb1 a good idea
[22:44:28] <tjb1> Alright, I wont be able to get to the stepper cables as they are pre made but I will take every other ground there
[22:44:33] <Tom_itx> also on my steppers i ran individual power lines to each driver
[22:45:07] <Tom_itx> and rewired my steppers with 18/4 shielded wire
[22:45:36] <Tom_itx> all the limit switches are shielded
[22:46:13] <tjb1> I have inductive prox for my limit/homing
[22:46:32] <jdh> tjb1: any problems with metal chips triggering them?
[22:46:33] <tjb1> Should I be homing both steppers on a dual motor setup?
[22:46:38] <Tom_itx> i should have something better but it's what came with it originally
[22:46:41] <tjb1> Havent got the table together yet jdh
[22:46:59] <Tom_itx> tjb1 i'm not sure how they recomend doing that
[22:46:59] <JessicaRN> i once asked a guy to send me a pic of one of his tattos. he said he would if i sent him a pic of my breasts. i shoulda known it would be tit for tat...
[22:47:10] <Tom_itx> i think they both get the same step signals
[22:47:25] <jdh> I have a prox on my X home/limit. I dumped some big Al chips on it and it was fine. tried some smaller ones and it triggered.
[22:47:25] <tjb1> So once I get them initially aligned it should be fine
[22:47:57] <tjb1> I was just going to place a bolt in line with the sensor on each end to trigger it and let it ride along
[22:48:01] <jdh> I think a 2mm plexi shield on top will keep the chips far enough way but still let the steel bolt trip it.
[22:49:18] <tjb1> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/12-needle-thrust-bearing-and-washers-p-86.html
[22:49:19] <tjb1> oops
[22:50:32] <tjb1> Im trying to find a way to keep splatter out of this
[22:51:07] <tjb1> http://www.goldeno.com/pictures/Img07848.JPG
[22:52:03] <Jymmm> plastic bag?
[22:52:10] <tjb1> Has a bunch of ball bearings exposed on the back of it
[22:52:34] <jdh> no wipers?
[22:53:01] <tjb1> it will wipe the rail but the back is exposed
[22:53:59] <tjb1> Maybe see if I can find a way to attach bristles to it
