#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-07-26

[12:13:35] <Jymmm> Zorbo: what are you making ?
[12:14:22] <amaldo> jdh: I come from an EE and robotics background, so I'm wondering what protocol is being talked on that port. For our robots, we have AC servos, and the controllers talk EtherCAT. Using a parallel port feels wrong nowadays.
[12:15:09] <jdh> amaldo: it is simplistic, but it's a simple stepper machine
[12:15:26] <Zorbo> Jymmm, it's for running cable on a stepper.
[12:15:27] <Jymmm> Zorbo: automatic tuner (of sorts)?
[12:15:47] <Zorbo> I tried to find spools already made...but there arn't any really.
[12:16:19] <Zorbo> I could 3d print it..but there is going to be alot of torque...and I won't be able to tighten enough without slipping..unless using metal.
[12:18:30] <amaldo> jdh: Yep, that tells me that the bandwidth requirements are pretty low. (And steppers are controlled in open-loop anyway). I guess the KISS principle aplies, if such a simple setup works, why go with something more complex?
[12:19:49] <jdh> they are nifty looking machines, and I like the idea of the TTS, but it seems like for that much machine, you would go with servos.
[12:20:53] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: you can move the servos via a mesacard
[12:21:17] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: 5i25 7i77 is therfoe made
[12:22:57] <jdh> Ich: stepper only, no servo available
[12:22:58] <IchGuckLive> the russon toolkit sold his 5axis mill this wek for 40k EUR
[12:23:47] <IchGuckLive> so then it coudt be the 5i25+7i76 combie for 5 axis at high speed
[12:24:06] <IchGuckLive> at 12Nm engines you can run a very big mashine
[12:24:27] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: witch contininet are you from
[12:32:22] <amaldo> IchGuckLive: Hi. Who makes those cards? links?
[12:32:32] <amaldo> IchGuckLive: In Germany. Right now in Munich, but soon moving to Bremen.
[12:33:16] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop was #python helpful?
[12:34:21] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: im in germany 2
[12:34:45] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: querry
[12:35:54] <jdh> I get a2z goes out of business in the next month or so.
[12:36:24] <jdh> bet
[12:49:54] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: actually they did help a little
[13:01:44] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: new gui for the laser-plasma
[13:03:59] <JT-Shop> where?
[13:05:47] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: at jour shop with glade3 and python
[13:06:31] <JT-Shop> no, I'm just learning glade3 and Gtk with python
[13:07:25] * JT-Shop wanders inside for a nap
[13:08:24] <IchGuckLive> B)
[13:09:29] <IchGuckLive> ok by
[13:16:23] <jonny1> Hi, I want to learn how emc2 works
[13:17:41] <cradek> hi jonny1, ask more specific questions to get good answers
[13:18:23] <Connor> jdh: Why do you say that? What's going on with a2z ?
[13:18:43] <jdh> Connor: my 6th email in the last few days begging for sales
[13:19:01] <Connor> Summer is slow for lots of businesses..
[13:19:08] <jonny1> i got this errors
[13:19:12] <jonny1> Print file information:
[13:19:12] <jonny1> RUN_IN_PLACE=no
[13:19:12] <jonny1> LINUXCNC_DIR=
[13:19:12] <jonny1> LINUXCNC_BIN_DIR=/usr/bin
[13:19:12] <jonny1> LINUXCNC_TCL_DIR=/usr/lib/tcltk/linuxcnc
[13:19:32] <jdh> wonder how long that would have been.
[13:20:01] <jdh> Connor: I was tempted to buy one of their QCTP's for my 9x, but didn't
[13:20:34] <Connor> jdh I got one.. They're nice. I got the one for the Tormach though.. It's steel not alumn.
[13:20:54] <jdh> I have one for my 7x
[13:21:09] <Connor> Oh, you have a 9x ?
[13:21:17] <jdh> jonny1: stick the error msgs on pastebin or something
[13:21:22] <Connor> I didn't know that.. I knew you had the 7x
[13:21:26] <jdh> Connor: 7x and jet 9x20
[13:21:43] <jonny1> sorry, i don't know that
[13:27:06] <Jymmm> jonny1: http://codepad.org/
[13:28:56] <jonny1> errors http://codepad.org/eFIKPAOT
[13:30:10] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/2z9Ob.jpg
[13:31:34] <cradek> fail on finding a font that looks like a kid's writing. lame.
[13:31:56] <Jymmm> comic sans?
[13:34:05] <cradek> jonny1: I don't understand what that compiler output is. can you give more background about your question?
[14:53:51] <Tom_itx> can the docs be downloaded in html format?
[14:54:19] <JT-Shop> you can build them
[14:54:32] <Tom_itx> i like the format better than the pdf
[14:54:41] <JT-Shop> LOL me too
[14:54:44] <Tom_itx> how?
[14:55:23] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC
[14:55:34] <JT-Shop> a git check out and build with docs
[14:55:52] <JT-Shop> 2.2 and 2.7
[14:56:14] <Tom_itx> ok
[14:58:13] <JT-Shop> note the added dependencies for docs in step 2.7
[15:00:57] <Tom_itx> if you use G96 do you need to specify G94 as well?
[15:01:43] <cradek> do you mean g95? (either way the answer is no)
[15:01:46] <Tom_itx> or are they not really related to each other
[15:01:54] <cradek> css + fpr are often useful together but you don't have to use both
[15:37:10] <tjb1> Thinkin andy has a problem
[15:40:01] <Jymmm> "a" problem? (HA!)
[15:43:17] <tjb1> Hey andypugh
[15:43:25] <tjb1> You have that link for this fancy belt drive?
[15:43:45] <andypugh> google bell-everman servobelt
[15:44:09] <tjb1> Thanks
[15:44:09] <JT-Shop> andypugh: did you know your nick is stuttering?
[15:49:55] <r00t4rd3d> https://fiber.google.com/about/
[15:50:14] <r00t4rd3d> Google announces 1 GB per second internet and $0/a month internet""
[15:50:37] <ReadError> yes plz
[15:50:43] <ReadError> i hope atlanta gets it
[15:51:18] <tjb1> I hope I get internet to begin with :)
[15:51:58] <r00t4rd3d> now i bet all the internet companies start changing their retarded minds real quick.
[15:52:06] <tjb1> I dont get it
[15:52:15] <tjb1> Does there have to be pre existing fiber lines?
[15:52:35] <r00t4rd3d> once they launch that, everything will change.
[15:52:57] <r00t4rd3d> no more of this bandwidth limiting shit they are starting now
[15:53:38] <tjb1> Someone needs to kick Verizon and AT&Ts asses into shape
[15:53:54] <r00t4rd3d> out of business would be better
[15:54:08] <r00t4rd3d> they are both scum companies
[15:54:54] <tjb1> I still love how they both pushed the hell out of unlimited until they forced everyone into a smartphone
[15:55:16] <tjb1> Now its like 80-100 for 6-7gb of data
[15:56:51] <tjb1> Oh well….cant win against them
[16:01:27] <tjb1> I find it amusing how I have no power yet the phone line that rides on the same poles continues to work :)
[16:08:42] <tjb1> Wow this thunder is shaking the house
[16:10:13] <mozmck> Around here the phone wires are all underground.
[16:16:24] <tjb1> Ours are half and half
[16:16:31] <tjb1> probably why they havent replaced them
[16:17:44] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:32:36] <r00t4rd3d> dont you tire of constantly changing your nick?
[16:32:59] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: who, me?
[16:33:05] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, you!
[16:33:27] <Loetmichel> 24hrs line reconnect fdorced by telekom...
[16:37:01] <WillenCMD> So before i dive into research, are any ethernet protocols good for realtime data monitoring?
[16:37:23] <alex4nder> there are many
[16:37:42] <WillenCMD> any that can be DIY, or implemented into hal
[16:37:43] <alex4nder> what's data monitoring?
[16:37:53] <alex4nder> like you just want status updates on the values of things?
[16:38:27] <WillenCMD> yes, as fast as possible
[16:38:52] <alex4nder> well then that's just binary data put into ethernet frames, put on the wire.
[16:39:07] <alex4nder> add additional networking and parsing layers, and it slows down from there
[16:44:16] <andypugh> WillenCMD: Have you seen the recent EtherCAT stuff on the forum?
[16:50:36] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/jtjaz
[16:53:30] <ink_> hi all
[16:53:32] <andypugh> Confused cm and inches?
[16:54:16] <ink_> check it out: quadcopter lightshow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cseTX_rW3uM#!&t=4m54s
[16:54:34] <Loetmichel> ink_: old ;-)
[16:54:39] <ink_> hehe
[16:54:47] * ink_ hadn't seen it
[16:55:49] <andypugh> "Indistinguishable from Magic"
[16:58:24] <r00t4rd3d> "Google is offering the TV and Internet service for $120 a month for Kansas City residents, said Kevin Lo, general manager of Google Access. For those who just want the faster Web service, that'll cost about $70 a month."
[16:58:52] <andypugh> How fast? Sounds expensive
[16:59:34] <r00t4rd3d> 1gb a sec
[16:59:54] <andypugh> OK, that's quite fast
[17:00:16] <tjb1> Heh Satellite Internet is $80 a month here
[17:00:37] <r00t4rd3d> i want to move to kansas
[17:00:53] <tjb1> and thats for 1.5 Mbps down/250 Kbps up
[17:01:07] <tjb1> with a 350 MB download limit
[17:01:13] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[17:01:23] <tjb1> 350 MB per 24 hours
[17:01:31] <r00t4rd3d> with google fiber u could use that cap in 1 second
[17:01:50] <andypugh> tjb1: So, a CD download needs to span midnight?
[17:02:07] <tjb1> The lowest plan is $40 for 3 months then $60 a month after, 1 Mbps/200Kbps with 250mb cap
[17:02:08] <r00t4rd3d> nah he just pays for the overage
[17:02:19] <tjb1> I just use my cell phone, piss on satellite internet
[17:02:35] <r00t4rd3d> build a cantenna
[17:02:35] <tjb1> My phone is as fast as the $80 a month plan
[17:03:19] <WillenCMD> Sorry had to take a phone call
[17:03:31] <tjb1> http://www.wildblue.com/options/availability
[17:03:33] <tjb1> That one looks better
[17:03:46] <tjb1> 5mbps/1mbps with 15GB a month allowance
[17:04:26] <tjb1> Oh I can get 12mbps down/3 up with them
[17:04:59] <r00t4rd3d> move to kansas dude!
[17:05:12] <r00t4rd3d> click your heels together
[17:05:26] <r00t4rd3d> there is no place like 1gb
[17:05:35] <tjb1> I would love to
[17:05:50] <tjb1> Have to find one of them neighborhoods that has met the goal ;)
[17:06:04] <r00t4rd3d> massive multiplayer games
[17:06:13] <r00t4rd3d> 1000's of people in one game
[17:06:32] <tjb1> WoW?
[17:06:36] <r00t4rd3d> fuck wow
[17:06:46] <andypugh> Puzzle Pirates?
[17:06:47] <tjb1> what game has 1000's?
[17:06:51] <tjb1> Graal?
[17:07:02] <r00t4rd3d> i was just meaning it will be possible
[17:07:13] <tjb1> I dont do subscription games :)
[17:07:26] <r00t4rd3d> FPS
[17:07:49] <tjb1> well time to eat in the dark, bye everyone
[17:08:03] <r00t4rd3d> Battlefield 4: World War 3
[17:09:51] <WillenCMD> im writing a linuxcnc mmorpg milling adventure game
[17:10:30] <WillenCMD> you have to level your parallel port up, and equip it with component's to battle the jitter creatures
[17:10:42] <r00t4rd3d> sounds gay
[17:10:45] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[17:10:46] <WillenCMD> lol
[17:11:02] <r00t4rd3d> sry, had to do it.
[17:11:14] <WillenCMD> perfect response
[17:11:23] <WillenCMD> so quick to im impressed
[17:12:25] <andypugh> WillenCMD: Sounds like a game I once had "Micro-mouse goes debugging" in which your character had to run around the screen fixing errors in BASIC code..
[17:12:56] <andypugh> (And when you had them all fixed, the code would run). I think it was meant to be educational.
[17:13:07] <r00t4rd3d> i think i will try another round of trying to register on the linuxcnc forum
[17:13:29] <WillenCMD> When you moved the mouse did it move by block's?
[17:13:34] * JT-Shop is not motivated to do anything it seems...
[17:13:55] <WillenCMD> Jt-shop: apparently motivated enough to let us know
[17:14:29] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Where are you trying to sign up? Left-hand column of the main LinuxCNC site, or somewhere else?
[17:15:19] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/comprofiler/registers
[17:15:45] <WillenCMD> anyone going to IMTS this year:
[17:15:46] <WillenCMD> ?
[17:16:10] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Looks right
[17:17:02] <r00t4rd3d> lol, i click register and page reloads and all blank entries
[17:17:17] <JT-Shop> your using a gmail address
[17:17:23] <WillenCMD> we didn't want to tell you, but we just don't want you to join
[17:17:28] <r00t4rd3d> with no mention of the error
[17:17:37] <WillenCMD> you can't take a hint apparently
[17:18:12] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=29&id=15595
[17:20:13] <r00t4rd3d> Who is the person that decides what info is required to join?
[17:20:28] <r00t4rd3d> like address, zip, involvement ?
[17:20:51] <JT-Shop> address and involvement are optional it seems
[17:20:55] <andypugh> I doubt many people find that post. I wonder if there is any way to put that information on the sign-up form. It isn't like gmail is an uncommon provider. I am fairly sure I am subscribed with a gmail account, for example.
[17:20:57] <djdelorie> I tried to join, refused to fill in those blanks. It refused to accept it. So I filled in dummy information. Never heard back from them.
[17:21:22] <JT-Shop> andypugh: there is but I'm forbidden from getting into that area
[17:21:30] <WillenCMD> i like djelorie's approach
[17:21:38] <WillenCMD> djdelori*
[17:21:44] <WillenCMD> screw it i can't spell
[17:21:53] <JT-Shop> probley put in a bogus email
[17:22:02] <WillenCMD> bob@aol.com
[17:22:06] <WillenCMD> works everytime
[17:22:13] <andypugh> I am show 551 users needing to be approved, but when I click the link it shows me none of them. It's not the greatest forum software.
[17:22:31] <JT-Shop> that stuff on the left is bogus
[17:22:41] <djdelorie> I don't mind using my real name or email, but there's no reason why a forum needs to know my street address.
[17:22:54] <JT-Shop> and it is not required
[17:23:12] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I don't know any other way in now that the admin button disappeared
[17:23:29] <JT-Shop> you need the admin link
[17:23:52] <andypugh> I guessed that.
[17:24:27] <JT-Shop> you just tack administrator/ on the end... took me a while to find it
[17:24:42] <WillenCMD> im just curious, do you think its better to start and complete a project, or start multiple projects, switching which one you work on at different times?
[17:24:58] <JT-Shop> start multiple projects and finish none
[17:25:24] <r00t4rd3d> someone approve me please
[17:25:31] <r00t4rd3d> then i change all my personal info
[17:25:52] <JT-Shop> like city state and zip LOL
[17:28:26] * JT-Shop is somewhat depressed I have to end a 10 year partnership to keep my sanity what it is now
[17:28:38] <andypugh> Oh :-(
[17:28:45] <r00t4rd3d> Richard Wanker
[17:28:50] <JT-Shop> yea, sucks
[17:29:09] <r00t4rd3d> is the partnership your marriage?
[17:29:16] <JT-Shop> business
[17:29:45] <r00t4rd3d> you 2 gonna chat all day or approve my forum accnt?
[17:29:56] <andypugh> You ought to be approved
[17:30:00] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[17:30:09] <JT-Shop> I'm not motivated
[17:30:14] <andypugh> Not sure about James Colon.
[17:30:20] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[17:30:53] <r00t4rd3d> Your account has not yet been approved!
[17:31:29] <JT-Shop> it's totally black outside, I'm amazed that sputnik is still working
[17:32:37] <andypugh> OK, so I am confused by the interface.
[17:34:09] <andypugh> And I appear to be logged in 12 times...
[17:35:04] <JT-Shop> I count 13
[17:36:58] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Can you log in yet?
[17:39:34] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, thanks
[17:39:44] <r00t4rd3d> Welcome, Wilfred Wonka
[17:42:12] <djdelorie> mine still says "invalid username or password"
[17:42:36] <andypugh> djdelorie: No sign that you ever tried to register.
[17:42:43] <djdelorie> I'll try again
[17:42:51] <r00t4rd3d> there should be a cnc router building section
[17:42:56] <djdelorie> all those fields are marked "required field" though
[17:43:20] <andypugh> I lied about my ZIP code
[17:43:28] <r00t4rd3d> you are going to hell
[17:43:32] <djdelorie> "zipcode: not an integer"
[17:43:40] <andypugh> I lied about having a ZIP code
[17:43:48] <andypugh> 90210
[17:44:24] <djdelorie> I put 0. Well, the web server replaced my "x" with "0" and I left it that way. Done.
[17:44:31] <andypugh> We used to have a User Map which was quite cool, but it appears to be broken
[17:45:33] <djdelorie> in today's e-society, priviacy and cool are bitter enemies
[17:45:43] <djdelorie> oh, and spelling
[17:46:04] <djdelorie> privacy+spelling+cool = constant ?
[17:46:23] <andypugh> It seems to be a 2-stage process, where a user needs to be unblocked in the User Manager, then approved in a different interface.
[17:47:16] <djdelorie> I'm in! Add another time sink to my daily grind... ;-)
[17:48:26] * djdelorie has #Inf new messages...
[17:50:48] <djdelorie> thank you $admin :-)
[17:56:17] <r00t4rd3d> i got an old air compressor given to me that i am going to restore
[17:56:31] <r00t4rd3d> no pressure switch or psi gauge on it atm
[17:56:45] <r00t4rd3d> hose blower
[18:04:19] <andypugh> pressure switches are very cheap from eBay
[18:07:19] <r00t4rd3d> first place i looked
[18:07:30] <r00t4rd3d> straight from chong kong
[18:08:22] <r00t4rd3d> 11 dollar me last you short time
[18:36:30] <andypugh> AutoDesk Inventor Fusion is a free download from the MacOS App store. Blimey!
[18:37:22] <jdh> free for windows too
[18:38:13] <andypugh> The real surprise was seeing it on the front page of the App store. (I actually already have it)
[18:40:09] <Tom_itx> 500 employees at the olympic McDonalds of all things
[18:40:31] <Tom_itx> a bit ot but rather crazy
[18:48:44] <andypugh> Many may be working only a small number of shifts, and it is probably open 24 hours.
[18:51:00] <Tom_itx> seats 1500
[18:51:27] <andypugh> That's a lot of dead cows.
[18:54:24] <Tom_itx> enough fry grease to power a small city
[19:05:16] <r00t4rd3d> you all probably eat there once a week
[19:05:48] <Tom_itx> no sir
[19:06:12] <andypugh> I think I have eaten in a McDonalds about 6 times.
[19:06:41] <r00t4rd3d> ha, i go there a couple times a week
[19:07:45] <r00t4rd3d> sometimes a couple times a day
[19:08:05] <r00t4rd3d> closest fastfood place near me
[19:11:07] <skunkworks__> logger[psha]:
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[19:11:26] <skunkworks__> hooked a 1 micron linear scale into the pluto today. Seemed to work
[19:11:33] <skunkworks__> well - it did confirm that there is a problem with it..
[19:11:44] <skunkworks__> *it did seem to confirm
[19:12:12] <andypugh> With the scale or the Pluto?
[19:13:02] <skunkworks__> scale
[19:14:24] <skunkworks__> I could slide it slowly back and forth and indicate it. the actual position would vary up to .010"
[19:15:54] <skunkworks__> we have a new head coming... as it seems to do this over the whole travel. (plan to take it apart and clean it too - with the blessing of the scale company)
[19:16:03] <WillenCMD> this is such a vague question but, whats a good alternative to solidworks/solidcam, preferably open source or free
[19:18:35] <skunkworks__> it has galil motion control with amc drives
[19:20:19] <skunkworks__> it * large format exposing machine that exposes screens for screen printing
[19:29:58] <andypugh> WillenCMD: I don't think there are any _good_ alternatives, but freeCAD probably comes closest. Alibre is good for the price, but closed-source and windows-only.
[19:30:37] <Tom_itx> is rihno any good for this sort of thing?
[19:30:42] <Tom_itx> never used it myself
[19:30:50] <Tom_itx> probably not cheap either i dunno
[19:30:53] <Tom_itx> rhino
[19:30:59] <andypugh> You could have a look at AutoDesk Inventor Fusion, as that is free and rather slick (but also rather intended as a companion to Inventor)
[19:31:17] <andypugh> (free rather then Free, I should point out)
[19:32:33] <WillenCMD> rhino is great for 3dmodeling but dimiension's can be a pain
[19:32:45] <WillenCMD> thhey do have an add on
[19:35:13] <r00t4rd3d> 2013 is on the piratebay
[19:35:26] <r00t4rd3d> autodesk
[19:35:31] <WillenCMD> off the coast of florida?
[19:35:54] <WillenCMD> sounds dangerous
[19:37:51] <andypugh> I have a fully-legit Inventor here.
[19:38:17] <WillenCMD> albre doesn't look that bad
[19:38:20] <WillenCMD> alibre*
[19:38:47] <andypugh> I think you can download a trial.
[19:43:35] <WillenCMD> anyone know what the expert version price is?
[19:44:32] <WillenCMD> nevermind found it
[19:47:00] <WillenCMD> wow solidworks professional is 5300, and solidcam is 5k to 15k, i never knew that
[19:47:17] <Tom_itx> yep
[19:47:19] <r00t4rd3d> solidworks sucks too
[19:47:28] <Tom_itx> driven by a limited market
[19:47:49] <WillenCMD> what, i love solidworks, it runs non stop on my computer, i would boot into it with no operating system if possible
[19:48:10] <r00t4rd3d> i didnt like it
[19:48:15] <WillenCMD> i designed my entire house in it, so that i could i design a deck
[19:48:59] <WillenCMD> i even did the grade on the lot
[19:49:32] <Tom_itx> did you cnc a model then?
[19:49:58] <WillenCMD> lol no, my wife looked at me and just shook her head when she sat down while i wasdoing it
[19:50:42] <WillenCMD> i should though, scale it down buy a block of wood and through into the VMC at work
[19:51:11] <Tom_itx> i'm sure they'd love sawdust in their coolant
[19:51:20] <WillenCMD> oh, i do it all the time
[19:52:47] <WillenCMD> dries really nice :), you could almost make another solid block from it
[19:53:57] <WillenCMD> what kills me is the maintanence fee, what are they maintaining?
[19:54:13] <WillenCMD> i haven't updated solidworks and it still runs fine
[19:54:30] <r00t4rd3d> did u pirate it?
[19:54:58] <Tom_itx> we don't condone that here
[19:55:31] <r00t4rd3d> updating pirated software never normally ends up well
[19:55:46] <WillenCMD> i may have accidently done it, it was popup i didn't know what i was doing it said i wwon a free ipod and next thing i know i had soliworks
[19:55:59] <WillenCMD> crazy
[19:56:24] <WillenCMD> my dads compay has it so you could say im borrowing it
[19:56:35] <WillenCMD> company*
[19:56:39] <r00t4rd3d> im sure the licensing is for single computers
[19:57:04] <WillenCMD> true, bu that single computer s portable
[19:57:13] <WillenCMD> :)
[19:57:48] <WillenCMD> but i leave it there, the copy i have at home i found on the ground at a machine show
[19:58:03] <WillenCMD> someone most of dropped it
[19:59:09] <Tom_itx> and you hunted all over for the owner
[19:59:22] <Tom_itx> just happened they weren't anywhere around :)
[19:59:24] <r00t4rd3d> physically stealing it is probably more of a crime then digitally stealing it.
[19:59:43] <r00t4rd3d> more of a penalty atleast
[19:59:49] <cpresser> those things happen. you cant help it
[19:59:52] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't know
[20:00:30] <WillenCMD> funny story, a local teenage girl here found a money clip with $5000 dollars in it
[20:01:27] <WillenCMD> so here parent's told her to turn it into the police in case someone lost it(of course someone lost it). no one claimed it. So the police kept it, for the police department
[20:01:45] <WillenCMD> she learned a valuble lesson
[20:02:00] <WillenCMD> finder's keeper's looser's weeper's
[20:02:30] <WillenCMD> it was on the news, people were mad that the police department kept it
[20:02:42] <Tom_itx> well some feel they can live above the law and others just abuse their position
[20:03:13] <WillenCMD> i often think that the law is like the spoon in the matrix, extremely flexible
[20:03:24] <WillenCMD> :)
[20:04:02] <WillenCMD> thats why i got so many tickets when i was younger, i wanted to contribute to my local community
[20:04:13] <WillenCMD> im a giver what can i say
[20:08:02] <Jymmm> so are hookers with STD's to share.
[20:08:16] <djdelorie> there is no spoon
[20:08:41] <WillenCMD> so there are no laws?
[20:09:32] <Jymmm> only chaos
[20:09:42] <WillenCMD> how is it that even when my wife is at work, she controls what i watch on tv. Its b.s.
[20:10:09] <Jymmm> WillenCMD: You KNOW you like to watch the soaps... ADMIT IT!!!
[20:10:32] <WillenCMD> 2 shows recording at the same time, project runway and big brother so now i can't watch what i want
[20:10:59] <Jymmm> only one tv?
[20:11:12] <WillenCMD> there is a free 8 axis motion control software, yet my directTV box can only record 2 shows at once..... hmmmm something funny there
[20:11:44] <cpresser> WillenCMD: check VDR (www.tvdr.de). mine does record 8 streams :)
[20:12:00] <skunkworks__> WillenCMD: 9 axis
[20:12:26] <WillenCMD> Yesterday a major glitch in my gladevcp custom machine controller caused a crash that destroyed an 800 dollar encoder
[20:12:31] <Jymmm> WillenCMD: go strem something off the net
[20:12:36] <WillenCMD> encoder i mean cutter
[20:12:36] <Jymmm> stream
[20:13:16] <WillenCMD> of course its in its early early alpha testing, but the operator typed in 48 instead of .048
[20:13:29] <Jymmm> WillenCMD: Blame the QA Dept for it.
[20:13:36] <WillenCMD> he's more of the setup guy not the operator
[20:14:00] <Jymmm> Blame the creator of the custom setupthen
[20:14:51] <Jymmm> I hear he's a TV-Less slimeball anyway =)
[20:15:04] <WillenCMD> so my dad, the owner my company's first customer starts yelling at me, thats not going to work we can't have that... i looked at him and laughed we have 6 cnc lathes, 2 citizen swiss lathes. all are more than happy to run into the spindle or the machine wall when a wrong z move is given and those machines are $300k
[20:16:07] <alex4nder> yah, seriously
[20:17:00] <WillenCMD> i told him since this machine i designed for him was only $5000 and a cutter is $800 i can break 368.7 more cutters
[20:17:13] <WillenCMD> its only fair
[20:17:31] <alex4nder> what is he doing with it?
[20:17:45] <WillenCMD> its a gear shaper, shapes cluster gears and internal gears
[20:17:53] <alex4nder> ag
[20:17:54] <alex4nder> er ah
[20:18:28] <WillenCMD> the one they originally had was, hand operated and made about 6 - 15 parts an hour depending on the part
[20:18:50] <WillenCMD> the one today used to get 8 an hour, now it gets 22 and the operator is doing something secondary
[20:19:02] <WillenCMD> pretty good savings
[20:19:56] <WillenCMD> i have to admit thoug, it was my first and still is the guinea pig for new features, before i implement them on the other machines i designed for customer's who aren't my father
[20:24:57] <WillenCMD> wow alibre is very very similar to solidworks
[20:26:15] <Jymmm> My alcohol stove arrrived... I like it!!! 1/2oz of alcohol burned for 6m =)
[20:35:31] <r00t4rd3d> do you camp or something?
[20:35:37] <r00t4rd3d> in the mountains
[20:35:55] <Tom_itx> he's stocking up for bad times
[20:36:45] <r00t4rd3d> did you acutally buy one?
[20:36:52] <r00t4rd3d> they can be made super simple
[20:36:53] <skunkworks__> from what I understand - you can have the 1 solid works licsence on 2 computers - your work and your personal
[20:36:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: only till dec =)
[20:37:23] <Tom_itx> Jymmm did you stock up in 1999 too?
[20:37:52] <Tom_itx> my friend's dad in law did :)
[20:38:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I did, with all the contract work for y2k, made a buttload of money =)
[20:39:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Actually, I dont buy into any of that hype
[20:39:29] <Jymmm> I frown upon it actually
[20:40:05] <Tom_itx> money was made on it
[20:40:13] <TheLarch> the DRM on those tools are generally fixed pretty easily once you know where to look
[20:40:44] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=431851&highlight=stove
[20:40:54] <r00t4rd3d> i remember reading about those some time ago
[20:41:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: shitloads. But NOW, it's not so much Myan calendar crap as much as the emergency services that we've always dependant upon, just won't be there any more.
[20:42:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Federal, State, County and City all say to have a kit. Why? Cause they know you'll be up shit creek =)
[20:42:31] <Jymmm> http://ready.gov/ is a good example.
[20:42:50] * r00t4rd3d ushers Jymmm back to the hospital
[20:43:16] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: No need, I have all the meds I could ever need =)
[20:43:31] <r00t4rd3d> well you have to take them for them to be effective.
[20:43:40] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: And an embroidered straight jacket too biotch!
[20:43:59] <r00t4rd3d> try it on
[20:44:08] <Jymmm> perfect fit
[20:44:50] <r00t4rd3d> i need to vacuum
[20:45:15] <Jymmm> During Loma Pirita EQ, the stores were selling a gallon of water for $20. There were no emergency services available. broken galss everywhere
[20:45:34] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna build a near silent vacuum with a smallish blower motor i got
[20:46:39] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Loma_Prieta_earthquake
[20:47:50] <TheLarch> http://greenecon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/table1b.jpg why not just burn oil?
[20:48:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com/BillsWing/BillsSandingTable.html
[20:48:12] <Jymmm> just last month, the subway tunnel that goes under the Bay had a fire. Shut down the subway for 8 hours, and all the freeways were backed up for about 10 hours.
[20:48:30] <Jymmm> TheLarch: Can't really use indoors.
[20:48:48] <Jymmm> TheLarch: lot of soot
[20:48:54] <r00t4rd3d> use HEET
[20:48:56] <r00t4rd3d> no soot
[20:49:14] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: denatured alcohol by the gallon =)
[20:49:23] <TheLarch> ah, i thought this was for outdoor use
[20:49:30] <Jymmm> TheLarch: both actually
[20:50:09] <Jymmm> I also have haxamine, trioxane, propane, gasoline, mineral oil
[20:50:28] <Jymmm> butane
[20:50:29] <TheLarch> indoors without any natural gas? or during Armageddon or something?
[20:50:36] <Jymmm> kerosene
[20:50:36] <Tom_itx> they might mistake you for a terrorist
[20:51:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: pyro yes, terrorist/arsonist no.
[20:51:25] <Jymmm> TheLarch: Did you read the damaged that was done? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Loma_Prieta_earthquake
[20:52:02] <Jymmm> TheLarch: Lots of services/utilities not available or in limited supply.
[20:52:28] <Jymmm> TheLarch: This isn't a "what if", as much as a "will it happen again"
[20:52:34] <Jymmm> or WHEN not will
[20:53:13] <Tom_itx> well it _is_ Calior n i a
[20:53:18] <Jymmm> Then there's "The Big One" that is suppose to happen every 100 years and is over due.
[20:53:22] <Tom_itx> +f
[20:53:38] <TheLarch> New Madrid
[20:53:58] <Tom_itx> we had one in okc that i felt and that has never happened here
[20:54:16] <Jymmm> We have had torandos touch down in the last few years
[20:54:28] <Jymmm> tornados, in Calif!? wth
[20:58:05] <r00t4rd3d> the worlds ending dude, run!
[20:58:39] <Jymmm> Catch it!
[20:59:12] <Tom_itx> catch the next ride
[21:00:06] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d, where the cuts, brah
[21:00:51] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/U6jsG.jpg
[21:00:54] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[21:01:23] <r00t4rd3d> 9mm OSB
[21:01:42] <r00t4rd3d> i modeled that myself!
[21:01:57] <TheLarch> has anyone in the US ever had to pay import duties on any machine tool parts from China?
[21:02:04] <r00t4rd3d> no
[21:03:02] <ReadError> i think only if declared value is over 1k
[21:03:04] <ReadError> you gotta pay
[21:03:51] <ReadError> the hell you gonna do with a wooden gun ? lol
[21:04:33] <r00t4rd3d> sell them to the crackheads
[21:05:01] <r00t4rd3d> for robberies and what no
[21:05:03] <r00t4rd3d> not
[21:05:49] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna make it layered with more detail
[21:06:01] <r00t4rd3d> that was just a practice one
[21:06:06] <r00t4rd3d> in scrap
[21:06:20] <alex4nder> wooden gun?
[21:06:30] <alex4nder> haha
[21:06:32] <alex4nder> I see.
[21:06:46] <ReadError> crack heads can get real guns, for $50
[21:06:56] <ReadError> same charge for a wooden one
[21:07:02] <r00t4rd3d> i will undercut them and sell for 10
[21:07:14] <r00t4rd3d> mines safer too
[21:07:16] <TheLarch> harmonized code 848340 ballscrews
[21:07:59] <r00t4rd3d> alex4nder, http://www.cncguns.com/downloads.html
[21:08:11] <alex4nder> r00t4rd3d: yah, I've built .. several.
[21:08:14] <r00t4rd3d> if you have a machine that will do metal...
[21:08:44] <alex4nder> that was part of the reason I got my mill.
[21:09:02] <ReadError> lol
[21:09:07] <ReadError> to make wooden guns?
[21:09:12] <alex4nder> the metal kind
[21:09:53] <r00t4rd3d> they got a wooden gatlin rubberband gun plans somewhere
[21:10:46] <r00t4rd3d> wow i wrote that well
[21:12:03] <Connor> jdh: You around ?
[21:16:21] <jdh> somewhat
[21:16:48] <r00t4rd3d> you watching porn?
[21:16:55] <jdh> did I mention that 24,000 BTU's does wonders for my garage
[21:17:14] <r00t4rd3d> you need heat?
[21:17:16] <jdh> nope, tearing down my rebreather and swapping some oxygen sensors
[21:17:18] <Jymmm> jdh: I hope that's in AC
[21:17:35] <jdh> yep
[21:18:10] <Jymmm> jdh: Jsut think if it like this, in the winter time, just reverse the AC and you'll have heat too =)
[21:18:15] <Jymmm> s/if/of/
[21:18:29] <jdh> it doesn't get that cold here
[21:18:44] <Jymmm> it does here
[21:18:54] <jdh> I'd move.
[21:19:05] <jdh> ocean temp is 82F :)
[21:19:26] <Jymmm> jdh: FL ?
[21:19:33] <TheLarch> the import duty on ballscrews into the US is 3.8%, most machine parts seem to be in the 2-4% range
[21:19:38] <jdh> .nc.us
[21:19:54] <jdh> TheLarch: I paid no duty on mine, but they were only $200
[21:19:55] <Jymmm> jdh: Eeeesh, all that humitity, no thanks!
[21:19:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.kids-coloring-pages.info/image/mario-coloring-pages-8.jpg
[21:20:24] <TheLarch> under $250 is free
[21:20:24] <Tom_itx> rather have hurricanes over earthquakes?
[21:20:53] <jdh> I'd prefer neither, but I've been through plenty of hurricanes
[21:21:05] <Jymmm> ditto for EQ's
[21:21:23] <TheLarch> I was just looking at the costs for importing $200K would be
[21:21:37] <Jymmm> the thing about hurricanes is you have a warning, EQ no warning
[21:22:00] <jdh> probably a little more than my $200 :)
[21:22:20] <jdh> what are you going to do with $200k worht of cheap chinese ball screws?
[21:22:33] <jdh> saturate the market for mediocre hardware?
[21:22:41] <TheLarch> $7600 for $200K
[21:23:48] <jdh> connor: whatcha working on?
[21:24:47] <r00t4rd3d> probably a beer buzz
[21:25:05] <TheLarch> jdh: comparing the costs between lead screws and ball screws for low duty consumer devices
[21:25:49] <TheLarch> the machine tools in China are the same they use in the US
[21:26:33] <Jymmm> Whats a cheap source for SS rod? 2mm would be fine.
[21:27:02] <TheLarch> ball screws and lead screws are not very labor intensive to produce, it's mostly automated
[21:28:05] <TheLarch> the US hasn't run out of scrap steel yet
[21:29:02] <TheLarch> yet USA vs China pricing is ~20-50% apart
[21:36:03] <r00t4rd3d> anyone live in kansas?
[21:36:15] <r00t4rd3d> and if so can I come live with you?
[21:37:22] <r00t4rd3d> i would probably allow myself to be abused somewhat for 1gb/sec.
[21:37:42] <theorbtwo> r00t4rd3d: Kansas City, not Kansas.
[21:38:16] <r00t4rd3d> im sure it will spread quickly
[21:38:22] <r00t4rd3d> like a good vd
[21:42:51] <tjb1> still sittin in the damn dark
[21:43:15] <r00t4rd3d> light a candle
[21:44:06] <ReadError> a crackhead told r00t4rd3d once after purchasing a wooden handgun, a rock glows with the light of 1000 candles
[21:44:06] <r00t4rd3d> are you sure they know there is an outage in your area?
[21:44:29] <r00t4rd3d> dont make me fucking shoot you
[21:44:33] <r00t4rd3d> BANG
[21:44:38] <r00t4rd3d> to late
[21:44:51] * ReadError dies of splinter
[21:45:10] <r00t4rd3d> it would probably hurt if i threw it at you
[21:47:13] <tjb1> yes im sure
[21:47:17] <tjb1> i have called and told them
[21:47:29] <tjb1> but sadly I can toss a bowling ball and hit a house with power...
[21:48:05] <ReadError> generator ;)
[21:48:30] <tjb1> Nope
[21:50:51] <tjb1> I went up the road and all the houses that pull from the one phase of power have power
[21:50:58] <tjb1> ours pulls from a different one and no power...
[21:51:41] <Tom_itx> backup gen
[21:53:05] <tjb1> We have called them, they arent using a generator
[21:53:18] <Tom_itx> you should have one
[21:53:29] <tjb1> We lose power once a year if that
[21:56:08] <uw> lol onewire power?
[21:56:13] <uw> wow you must live out there
[21:56:17] <uw> they still do that
[21:57:28] <tjb1> 1 wire power?
[21:59:17] <uw> i thought you ment 1 wire power
[21:59:34] <tjb1> There are 4 wires on the pole
[21:59:41] <tjb1> 3 phase correct?
[21:59:59] <uw> for y grid yes
[22:00:06] <uw> delta grid is 3 wires?
[22:00:25] <uw> some places only have 1 wire power though
[22:00:32] <tjb1> Well our transformer taps off the middle wire
[22:00:37] <tjb1> we did until last year
[22:00:48] <tjb1> the places with power tap off the left wire
[22:01:08] <uw> ok gotcha
[22:01:14] <tjb1> Wouldnt that screw up a machine if all 3 phases arent on?
[22:01:37] <tjb1> Or do they install something for 3 phase customers that shuts the power off if all 3 phases arent working
[22:01:41] <uw> ive ran stuff off of 2 of 3 phases?
[22:02:08] <uw> not recommened though
[22:02:23] <uw> probably what you mentioned there
[22:03:13] <uw> transformers at the pole or wherever might have a way of detecting shorted or down line, and would break the rest
[22:03:16] <uw> eh forget that
[22:03:25] <uw> too much speculation, i really dont know
[22:03:43] <tjb1> There was a tornado not too far away
[22:03:50] <tjb1> Probably gonna be a while before I get power back
[22:04:04] <Tom_itx> where are you?
[22:04:09] <uw> yea i lost it a few hrs ago too
[22:04:10] <tjb1> http://www.unitedpa.com/Outage_Status.htm
[22:04:13] <tjb1> central pa
[22:04:25] <uw> ha nj here
[22:04:35] <uw> generator is working thankfully
[22:04:44] <tjb1> No major outages at this time, hahaha
[22:06:22] <Connor> jdh got the adapter for the regulator. HP hose is messed up though.. leak is at the crimp..
[22:10:27] <jdh> that's a weird place for a leak. Sure it isn't just the inner o-ring on the spool?
[22:10:29] <tjb1> uw: looks like were in for some more trouble
[22:11:09] <uw> the next 5 days looks terrible
[22:11:27] <uw> i just pulled the motor in my truck on tuesday too...
[22:11:43] <tjb1> i really hope i have power when i wake up
[22:11:53] <ReadError> you wont sleep without AC
[22:12:03] <tjb1> i know :(
[22:12:53] <jdh> I have a little non-electronic A/C that will run off my generator for post-hurricane bliss
[22:15:06] <uw> yea im just going to take a shower before i go to bed, the wake up tomorrow and take another shower
[22:15:11] <uw> poor mans a/c
[22:15:23] <jdh> better than nothing!
[22:15:33] <jdh> supposed to be 100+ here tomorrow
[22:15:54] <uw> where are you jdh?
[22:16:06] <jdh> wilmington.nc.us
[22:16:27] <uw> oh yea, i bet 100
[22:16:36] <uw> supposed to be low/mid 90s up here
[22:20:17] <tjb1> i cant even use water :)
[22:30:58] <Connor> jdh No. I took it to the shop.. It's at the rear of the chrimp.
[22:31:01] <Connor> crimp
[22:41:31] <jdh> what shop?
[23:38:25] <r00t4rd3d> jt shop
[23:55:26] <Connor> jdh: Dive Show.. Took it to Rheas dicing.