#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-07-04

[00:06:11] <tjb1> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3090951/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-04%20at%2012.53.06%20AM.png
[00:06:15] <tjb1> Hope he had THC on...
[00:16:25] <MrSunshine> time to go to work soon, then back home to the rust... sigh
[00:20:18] <Connor> THC ?
[00:30:15] <tjb1> torch height control
[01:23:16] <tjb1> I just *love* holidays...
[01:31:54] <Thetawaves> i unfortunately do not get paid holidays
[01:32:14] <Thetawaves> mandatory vacations...
[01:32:20] <tjb1> Im just little mad that I just noticed my extrusions are bent…and of course they are closed tomorrow
[02:09:25] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:10:42] <micges> morning
[03:48:20] <paresh> laser engraving using linuxcnc ? how
[03:54:26] <archivist> there are examples out there, perhaps ask a better question
[03:57:23] <archivist> IRC is a place for specific questions not howto "large subject"
[04:26:00] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:51:31] <jthornton> morning guys
[05:53:07] <DJ9DJ> good morning JT
[07:00:05] <jthornton> weee I just converted my first actual mack xml file to the Stepconf Wizard format
[07:13:23] <Tom_itx> neat
[07:39:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dust-Collector-Brush-for-CNC-Router-/140777754732?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c702106c
[07:39:56] <r00t4rd3d> is that expensive?
[07:40:22] <r00t4rd3d> $15.60 for 5 foot
[07:40:44] <Jymmm> +8 shipping
[07:40:51] <Jymmm> nm
[07:41:36] <Jymmm> seems short to me
[07:48:26] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VCarve-Text-Data-for-CNC-Routers-Mills-and-Sign-Making-/130292992966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e56114bc6
[07:48:33] <r00t4rd3d> what do you think about that?
[07:49:29] <r00t4rd3d> he has some sample text you can try on your machine here, bottom of first post:
[07:49:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/product_announcements_manufacturer_news/73604-option_v-carve_text_not_new.html
[07:49:45] <Jymmm> http://home.comcast.net/~sskroch/Fengrave/fengrave.html
[07:49:53] <r00t4rd3d> i use that
[07:50:15] <Jymmm> so you want to BUY soemthing that does what you already have?
[07:51:16] <r00t4rd3d> i have not had much luck with the vcarve section of f-engrave
[07:51:34] <Jymmm> ah
[07:51:54] <r00t4rd3d> but i really havent put a lot of effort into it yet either
[07:52:19] <r00t4rd3d> do you use it?
[07:52:30] <Jymmm> no
[07:52:40] <Jymmm> just know of it
[07:52:43] <r00t4rd3d> some settings i just dont understand
[07:54:48] * Tom_itx sits down after mowing
[07:54:58] <r00t4rd3d> hire a mexican
[07:55:12] <Tom_itx> they'd all be sitting under the tree
[07:55:59] <r00t4rd3d> ive never seen a mexican in taco bell
[07:57:57] <Tom_itx> does delrin have good wear properties/
[07:57:58] <Tom_itx> ?
[07:58:29] <r00t4rd3d> i have a nut made of one
[07:58:34] <r00t4rd3d> wait
[07:58:39] <r00t4rd3d> i have a nut made of it
[07:58:44] <archivist> probably depends on what it is rubbing against
[07:59:18] <Tom_itx> i see these backlash nuts made of it
[07:59:26] <Tom_itx> can't see that lasting long
[07:59:34] <JT-Shop-> Tom_itx: normally if something smooth is rubbing against delrin it will last a long time if the pressure is not high enought to deform it
[07:59:43] <archivist> steel wears well except when rubbing against sandpaper
[07:59:55] <JT-Shop-> LOL
[08:00:33] <archivist> takes two surfaces to tango :)
[08:00:36] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/18-3-8-12-ACME-Lead-Screw-w-Delrin-Nut-CNC-Router-/120942809960?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c28c0d368
[08:00:40] <r00t4rd3d> i got that
[08:03:01] <Jymmm> that doesn't look like an anti-backlash nut, but the pic is tiny
[08:03:09] <r00t4rd3d> it is not
[08:03:46] <r00t4rd3d> i also have a dumpsterCNC anti backlash nut made from delrin
[08:03:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://dumpstercnc.com/
[08:04:36] <r00t4rd3d> they have some nice parts
[08:04:46] <Tom_itx> anyone have a good mechanical drawing for nema 23 32 mount?
[08:04:52] <r00t4rd3d> i got a threaded rod coupler from them too
[08:05:10] <JT-Shop-> 32?
[08:05:20] <Tom_itx> nema 23 and nema32
[08:05:26] <Tom_itx> 34?
[08:05:28] <Tom_itx> sry
[08:05:33] <Tom_itx> whichever it is :D
[08:05:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/nema-23-motor-mount-p-30.html
[08:05:55] <JT-Shop-> last time I googled I came up with many links
[08:06:00] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/nema-34-motor-mount-p-31.html
[08:06:07] <r00t4rd3d> they have the dxf files in the post
[08:06:16] <Jymmm> I can't see how that ever could be considered an anti-backlash nut http://dumpstercnc.com/images/1_2-10_ACME.jpg
[08:07:01] <JT-Shop-> anti-wobblelash
[08:07:11] <r00t4rd3d> it works great
[08:07:12] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: lol
[08:07:43] <JT-Shop-> well the good thing is the powder measure is not too big...
[08:07:51] <JT-Shop-> interesting design actually
[08:08:01] <r00t4rd3d> the guy says they last for ever too on clean rods
[08:08:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: canon or ammo reloading?
[08:08:26] <Tom_itx> if you're just sitting there looking at them?
[08:08:34] <JT-Shop-> cannon 50gram charge
[08:09:00] <JT-Shop-> it holds 45.5 grams so I need to make it a little deeper
[08:09:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: s/grams/ounces/
[08:09:37] <JT-Shop-> 1 3/4 ounce
[08:09:43] <JT-Shop-> 50cc's
[08:09:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: no no no.... 50 OUNCES
[08:09:58] <JT-Shop-> as big as my first motorcycle
[08:10:10] <JT-Shop-> only Ray does that
[08:10:35] <Jymmm> bah
[08:10:58] <Jymmm> Well, go dig a hole and toss in 50 ounces and a 3s fuse =)
[08:11:44] <JT-Shop-> for $20 for that nut you can't make one for that price
[08:12:55] <Jymmm> I'm trying to find videos on how they coil hanks of rope automatically but having little luck. Any other serach terms I could try? coil, wind, winder, hank
[08:13:27] <Tom_itx> hank?
[08:13:38] <JT-Shop-> hank hill?
[08:13:40] <Tom_itx> come tour wescon
[08:14:01] <Tom_itx> you never saw a manual rope winder?
[08:14:21] <r00t4rd3d> hire a mexican
[08:14:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You've never heard the term hank of rope?
[08:14:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm looking for AUTOMATIC, not manual
[08:14:45] <Tom_itx> lazy
[08:15:16] <Jymmm> No, I need 1000/hr
[08:15:57] <pfred1> you work too expensive
[08:15:58] <Jymmm> But I need it to coil, cut, and rethread itself
[08:16:35] <Jymmm> all I can find is how they make rope, not how they make those hanks of rope.
[08:17:07] <pfred1> I been in the rope braiding shop at Mystic seaport
[08:17:08] <Tom_itx> 840 yd of rope
[08:17:35] <r00t4rd3d> Jymmm,
[08:17:36] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=984NNkgJrFk
[08:17:37] <pfred1> well, they said it was about a quarter of what it once was it was almost that long too
[08:19:37] <pfred1> it says here it is only 250 feet long http://www.mysticseaport.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewpage&page_id=B94B460D-E0F9-6340-E44E4A267DD98CF1
[08:19:38] <Jymmm> I'm talking ones that make these http://www.camoandgear.com/rope.jpg
[08:19:45] <Jymmm> 100ft hanks
[08:20:04] <Jymmm> (ignoring the finishing coiling on the outside)
[08:20:40] <Tom_itx> so why can't you do that?
[08:21:08] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: so you volunteering to do it?
[08:21:19] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: 1000 PER HOUR ?
[08:21:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: NOT FEET, UNITS
[08:21:37] <Tom_itx> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/804/016/392/392016804_279.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/476615525/RMHK_003_ROPE_HANK_WINDER.html&h=600&w=800&sz=39&tbnid=l6xA1K97ggL7AM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=156&zoom=1&usg=__O8-gGyw6KzwVV8oKNrGuayYhbcI=&docid=oL9oNy5VSWGuvM&itg=1&sa=X&ei=t0D0T-TvAqiA2QXjyNXnBg&ved=0CGIQ9QEwBQ&dur=3916
[08:21:41] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d that is really crappy!
[08:23:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: DUDE, you're not hearing me... 1000 per hour of 100ft each hanks. It's not the winding, it's the coiling, cut, remove, and start the next coil all hands off.
[08:23:58] <Tom_itx> don't get all tied up in knots
[08:24:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: dont make me hang you using a old rope!
[08:25:49] <Jymmm> 1000 per hour of these (if that helps you to understand) http://cdn.dickblick.com/items/631/00/63100-1009-3ww-l.jpg
[08:27:11] <pfred1> I just saw some truckers rope in the home depot they wanted like $15 for 100' I had sticker shock
[08:27:43] <Jymmm> pfred1: define "truckers rope"? that yellow org/blk stuff?
[08:27:58] <pfred1> I believe so it is like 1/2" rope
[08:28:18] <Jymmm> I hate that shit. and at $15, screw that.
[08:28:30] <pfred1> yeah last time I bought some same package was more like $5
[08:29:44] <Jymmm> I think I paid $15 for 100ft of 3/8" double braided antenna rope. But it's rated to like 900lbs
[08:30:14] <Jymmm> and it's static rope =)
[08:31:46] <Jymmm> Gonna use the 25% OFF coupon for this today http://www.harborfreight.com/propane-bottle-refill-kit-45989.html
[08:32:04] <Jymmm> Luckily it's not made by HF =)
[08:32:16] <pfred1> leave it to the chinese to be open on the 4th
[08:32:43] <Jymmm> heh
[08:33:14] <Jymmm> Well, they close early, so you get to make double time time and still enjoy the holiday
[08:34:11] <Jymmm> It'll be nice to be able to refill the 1# tanks, especially now that I've started to see the price go up to $5.50/each in some places.
[08:35:18] <Jymmm> pfred1: Haven't you noticed, that LOTS of places are now open on the 4th, they just close early is all.
[08:35:38] <pfred1> the 4th is the busiest day where I am at so I don't go out
[08:36:08] * pfred1 lives @ the nation's summer capitol
[08:36:09] <Jymmm> pfred1: where do you work that the 4th is the busiest day?
[08:36:28] <Tom_itx> firecracker stand?
[08:36:39] <pfred1> no that is what this whole area is billed as
[08:36:47] <jdh> it is?
[08:36:53] <pfred1> where i am at yes
[08:36:58] <jdh> are you sure?
[08:37:16] <pfred1> indeed i am it says so right on the sign coming into town
[08:37:19] <Jymmm> pfred1: what is you do?
[08:37:37] <jdh> I can make one of those signs too :)
[08:38:22] <Jymmm> pfred1: what is it you do that makes today the busiest of the year??
[08:38:57] <pfred1> jdh you could but if I searched for the term "the nation's summer capital" on Google you wouldn't come up first
[08:39:20] <pfred1> Jymmm nothing I do just where i live
[08:39:28] <Jymmm> ah
[08:39:49] <pfred1> today is just the gibbest day of the year here so I tend to try to avoid it
[08:39:53] <pfred1> biggest
[08:40:14] <pfred1> heck when cops came to film they picked a 4th of july weekend
[08:40:54] <pfred1> http://www.trutv.com/shows/surf_and_rescue/index.html
[08:42:01] <Jymmm> Dewey _______ ?
[08:42:04] <pfred1> I know where they are
[08:42:10] <pfred1> yeah I'm not too far from there either
[08:42:19] <Jymmm> Dewey What?
[08:42:25] <pfred1> Dewey
[08:42:39] <Jymmm> Dewey colorado ?
[08:42:40] <pfred1> it is going to be pandemonium over there today
[08:42:52] <pfred1> I bet they're doing the running of the drunks right now
[08:43:29] <pfred1> well I think that started at 9 AM
[08:43:51] <tjb1> 28 minutes until I find out they are closed :)
[08:44:26] <pfred1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGKN_Ld3Eks
[08:45:19] <pfred1> it isn't normally like that here
[08:45:25] <pfred1> but it is today!
[08:45:27] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[08:45:35] <tjb1> Delaware
[08:46:02] <tjb1> I cant watch a video that some moron that cant work a camara took
[08:46:38] <pfred1> know what the best part of this video is? I can close the browser window
[08:46:43] <tjb1> youtube needs a rotate video button
[08:47:06] <pfred1> if I went down there today I wouldn't have that option
[08:47:42] <pfred1> plus it is supposed to hit 99F here
[08:48:02] <pfred1> I got up at 5 AM to change my sand filter valve on my pool just so I wouldn't have to do it in the heat
[08:49:16] <tjb1> And no rain in sight for PA...
[08:49:24] <pfred1> we might get some
[08:49:33] <pfred1> they said thunder showers 10AM
[08:49:48] <pfred1> it does look a little unsettled out there right now
[08:50:20] <tjb1> There is a rain cloud coming...
[08:50:24] <tjb1> 2 minute raid
[08:50:27] <tjb1> *rain
[08:50:52] <ReadError> storm knocked out me power ;(
[08:51:01] <pfred1> yeah it won't amount to anything might keep me from having to water the garden today though
[08:51:09] <pfred1> I lost power friday
[08:51:12] <tjb1> We havent lost power for longer than a couple minutes in a while now
[08:51:27] <pfred1> I hear it was out for about 2 hours I went to sleep
[08:51:38] <tjb1> Power company put new lines and cleared all the trees a couple years ago
[08:51:43] <Tom_itx> holy crap, i just watered and the runoff on the cement is dry already
[08:51:45] <ReadError> err
[08:51:45] <pfred1> not much else to do at night here with no electricity
[08:51:47] <ReadError> i mean internet
[08:51:54] <ReadError> i been w/o tv/internet for 12+ hrs
[08:51:56] <ReadError> ;(
[08:51:59] <ReadError> im on 3g now
[08:52:00] <ReadError> sucks
[08:52:06] <tjb1> I cant lose internet :)
[08:52:09] <tjb1> My phone = internet
[08:52:18] <pfred1> pfft a couple years ago I lost power for 3 days
[08:52:22] <Tom_itx> how do you call when it goes down?
[08:53:01] <tjb1> Call?
[08:53:19] <Tom_itx> when your internet goes down
[08:53:26] <Jymmm> tjb1: How do you call tech support to tell them your internet is out?
[08:53:32] <tjb1> Cell phone
[08:53:38] <tjb1> Cell phone is my internet
[08:56:25] <pfred1> tech support isn't going to restore my electricity
[08:56:49] <pfred1> last time my power went out I noticed my PC comes up faster than my router
[08:57:10] <pfred1> I had to reboot it to get an IP
[08:57:19] <tjb1> Last time my power went out I forgot how much it sucked being on a desktop and having to restart :)
[08:57:26] <Jymmm> Oh these bastards use glue! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XURVzKNXIdA
[08:57:32] <tjb1> Laptop and phone just act like nothing happened
[08:57:47] * pfred1 is watching Elvis right now that other video will have to wait
[08:57:53] * JT-Shop- needs to get the generator wiring done and get that bad boy out of the shop
[08:58:00] <Tom_itx> elvis is dead
[08:58:09] <pfred1> long live the King!
[08:58:54] <tjb1> Jymmm: Is that making little sample cards like paint samples?
[08:59:09] <Jymmm> tjb1: No like sewing thread kit
[08:59:12] <Tom_itx> no it's winding thread
[08:59:20] <tjb1> Ah.
[08:59:55] <Jymmm> But, to "rethread" it for the next card, they use GLUE to hold it in place... sneaky bastards!
[09:00:25] <Tom_itx> here you go Jymmm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhEwe8JNIqs&feature=fvwrel
[09:01:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Not even close to being funny.
[09:02:40] <pfred1> fire it up!
[09:02:57] <tjb1> Doesnt roll the yarn very wide :P
[09:03:37] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pHCfXtRYCA&feature=related
[09:04:29] <pfred1> I think it needs a whirly gig axe man
[09:07:09] <JT-Shop-> LOL at the yarn winder
[09:12:34] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA879oD7Voc&feature=related
[09:13:35] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEATei2wewY&feature=relmfu
[09:13:38] <tjb1> Thats cool ^
[09:17:45] <r00t4rd3d> whats the easiest cad program to use?
[09:17:57] <r00t4rd3d> i need to learn how to make parts now instead of engraving test
[09:18:00] <r00t4rd3d> text*
[09:21:17] <Jymmm> That's actually pretty good... Instead of back and forth, just offset the winder instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akPDJ4CnMbQ&feature=related
[09:21:18] <ReadError> solidworks ;)
[09:21:29] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[09:21:37] <ReadError> well it is...
[09:21:38] <r00t4rd3d> figures you would speak up
[09:21:54] <ReadError> suck on this light machine workin ;(
[09:22:12] <ReadError> but 2x pay helps keep me glued
[09:22:16] <pfred1> easy CAD is an oxymoron
[09:22:30] <ReadError> idk, i found solidworks super intuitive
[09:22:36] <ReadError> the others i strugged hard with
[09:22:51] <Jymmm> MS-Paint
[09:23:02] <Tom_itx> whatever gets you the gcode the easiest
[09:23:05] <Jymmm> Kid-Pix
[09:23:11] <r00t4rd3d> solidworks I imagine is a nightmare to learn
[09:23:34] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: It's actually fairly straightforward.
[09:23:41] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: It's expensive however.
[09:23:46] <r00t4rd3d> ok ill steal it and see
[09:24:05] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: It won't get you G-Code on its own though.
[09:24:12] <r00t4rd3d> i realize that
[09:24:14] <pfred1> that costs extra
[09:24:21] <FinboySlick> It'll let you model the part. For g-code, you'll need some other software or add-on.
[09:24:23] <r00t4rd3d> i will have to use pycam with it
[09:24:30] <r00t4rd3d> or something right?
[09:24:37] <FinboySlick> I use hsmworks. There's a few others.
[09:24:46] <ReadError> i got used to visualmill
[09:24:54] <ReadError> not sure if its the easiest though...or best
[09:25:14] <archivist> get used to hand writing gcode
[09:25:35] <ReadError> ew
[09:25:47] <pfred1> archivist we can't all dream in G-Code like you
[09:26:16] <archivist> thats the last subject I would ever dream!
[09:26:44] <Tom_itx> it's just math and moves
[09:27:03] <Tom_itx> simple stuff can be done nearly quicker than with cad cam
[09:27:15] <Tom_itx> when you get into complex parts it's not
[09:27:56] <archivist> some complex stuff is just a sequence of simple moves
[09:28:29] <Tom_itx> most of what we did was aircraft parts and nearly nothing on them is flat
[09:28:33] <Tom_itx> all surfaces
[09:28:36] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.mecsoft.com/freemill.shtml
[09:29:38] <pfred1> I need a mouse that follows my eye movements
[09:30:10] * Jymmm glues a nail on a mouse and stabs pfred1 in the eye
[09:30:32] <pfred1> Jymmm go wind twine
[09:30:44] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[09:30:50] <Jymmm> pfred1: SHOW ME THE MACHINE! ;)
[09:30:51] <r00t4rd3d> twine winder
[09:31:01] <pfred1> yeah you filthy twine winder
[09:31:27] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i did
[09:31:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No spools or bobbins
[09:31:56] <r00t4rd3d> only losers wind twine
[09:31:57] <pfred1> get a huge surf reel and modify it
[09:32:17] <Jymmm> pfred1: it has to self-thread for the next coil.
[09:47:34] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/YhBy3.jpg
[09:48:05] <DJ9DJ> lol
[09:49:04] <pfred1> someone needs to take a picture of an ipad at the bottom of a birdcage
[09:51:01] <JT-Shop-> are you kidding and get bird crap on my wifes $700 solitare game!
[09:52:33] <pfred1> indeed it might have to be Photoshopped
[09:53:02] <pfred1> I have a copy of the NY Times from when we first landed on the Moon
[09:53:13] <pfred1> it is a little yellow today but I can still read it
[09:53:37] <pfred1> I wonder how may ipads will be working over 40 years from now?
[10:25:28] <WillenCMD> does anyone know how to set stepgen position on startup
[10:25:36] <WillenCMD> hal based only
[10:32:06] <JT-Shop-> can you expand a bit on what your trying to do?
[10:36:39] <WillenCMD> i wrote a gui, using only hal, i would like to remember the position of the machine and set it on start up
[10:37:39] <WillenCMD> i have an incremental encoder, attatched to a tiny 5v microcontroller that monitors the encoder using a battery, it sends the initial startup position to hal on startup
[10:38:13] <JT-Shop-> so if the machine moves while off the microcontroller keeps track of that?
[10:38:20] <WillenCMD> yep
[10:38:26] <JT-Shop-> hmmmm
[10:38:33] <WillenCMD> its set on the interrupt on the microcontroller
[10:38:40] <WillenCMD> so it sleeps untill it recieves movement
[10:38:46] <WillenCMD> battery will last along time
[10:39:00] <WillenCMD> not bad for $15 bucks
[10:41:08] <JT-Shop-> got me on that one...
[10:42:04] <WillenCMD> yea, its been a bit of a learning process, but the gui is very feature rich, computes cycle time, time for each move its on, estimated time untill completion
[10:42:28] <WillenCMD> time between cycle start intervals
[10:42:37] <WillenCMD> then exports it to the companies databse
[10:42:42] <WillenCMD> to log production
[10:45:30] <WillenCMD> then at shut down it saves the complete state of the machine to a .state file and also the part information. All i need to do is figure out how to set the position and im golden
[10:48:54] <WillenCMD> i guess i could throw the estop let it count up to the position not moving the motors
[10:49:37] <WillenCMD> thats what i'll do thanks for letting me talk it out ;)
[10:49:43] <WillenCMD> lol
[10:49:52] <micges> it ofet helps ;)
[10:49:55] <micges> often
[10:53:06] <WillenCMD> lol my hal file looks like a logic controller
[10:56:12] <jthornton> what ever it takes to make it work
[11:09:54] <micges> WillenCMD: how many lines
[11:09:55] <micges> ?
[11:50:22] <alex4nder> hey
[12:02:20] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/XVy27.jpg
[12:06:22] <r00t4rd3d> mild success
[12:06:26] <r00t4rd3d> at inlays
[12:07:45] <jthornton> what did you use to generate the code?
[12:08:22] <r00t4rd3d> microcarve
[12:09:04] <r00t4rd3d> i finally got the right bit, a tad smaller i need
[12:10:02] <r00t4rd3d> the line from the top left to the bottom right is the watermark till you pay for Microcarve.
[12:10:20] <andypugh> My 99p servo motor turned up.
[12:10:22] <r00t4rd3d> its only 24 bucks though
[12:10:52] <andypugh> NEMA34 2.6Nm 500rpm 630W
[12:11:28] <andypugh> The complication is that it has a battery-backed absolute encoder, and I have no idea how to read it...
[12:13:00] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[12:16:34] <micges> hi Guck
[12:17:36] <r00t4rd3d> what the guck
[12:24:58] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Onsrud-4FL-Carbide-Compression-Spiral-CNC-Routers-Natural-Composites-Wood-/221061094322?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3378449bb2
[12:28:51] <Loetmichel> ONE THOUSAND $ for 3 router bits?
[12:29:06] <Loetmichel> are they crazy?
[12:33:56] <r00t4rd3d> Onsrud and Vortex bits are mad expensive.
[12:34:25] <r00t4rd3d> some of them atleast
[12:34:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.vortextool.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&Category_id=1
[12:34:29] <andypugh> They are fairly big.
[12:52:19] <andypugh> After some research it appears that my servo encoder is 2.5Mb RS485. What else do we know of that uses that baud rate and protocol?
[12:56:54] <andypugh> Though it seems it might switch to sine-cosine after startup, which would be annoying.
[12:57:08] <andypugh> Darn! I might have wasted 99p!
[12:58:53] <r00t4rd3d> #sparkfun could probably help you
[12:59:25] <r00t4rd3d> they know about steppers,encoders, servo's
[12:59:51] <andypugh> Yeah, but so do we :-)
[13:00:04] <andypugh> I have an oscilloscope and a pinout.
[13:00:11] <andypugh> ~What could possibly go wrong?
[13:02:29] <r00t4rd3d> if you idle in there and watch you will see they go alittle deeper into motors and what not then here
[13:03:16] <r00t4rd3d> nerdy robotics channel
[13:03:47] <andypugh> If there are geeks there I am not sure I would fit in :-)
[13:04:07] <r00t4rd3d> i think youll be fine
[13:04:46] <andypugh> Sorry, that was meant to be taken as humorous sarcasm.
[13:04:55] <r00t4rd3d> i know
[13:27:09] <tjb1> Entirely too hot outside...
[13:45:15] <mozmck> I bought a 1/4" onsrud spiral router bit and was not impressed with it.
[13:46:24] <mozmck> I got a 1/4" import solid carbide end mill for less than half the price of the Onsrud and it was sharper and cut smoother (this is in wood).
[14:06:10] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/cSAJw.jpg
[15:59:51] <FinboySlick> Any of you guys know of a place to purchase dye packs (like they use to foil bank robberies)?
[16:05:12] <taiden> evening gents
[16:08:01] <JT-Shop-> evening taiden
[16:11:42] <taiden> if i wanted to help with linuxcnc updates what programming languages should i be proficient in?
[16:11:57] <taiden> im decent with python already
[16:12:03] <JT-Shop-> LOL all of the above
[16:12:11] <taiden> haha thats what i was afraid of
[16:12:22] <JT-Shop-> TCL, python, C, C++ maybe more not sure
[16:12:27] <taiden> TCL?
[16:12:34] <JT-Shop-> yea
[16:12:59] <JT-Shop-> I think it's short for That Crazy Language
[16:13:09] <taiden> haha
[16:13:21] <taiden> oh open source software how quirky and hilarious you are
[16:13:56] <andypugh> python C and C++ mainly. We leave the TCL to Jepler
[16:14:04] <tjb1> Hey JT-Shop
[16:14:06] <JT-Shop-> or Dewey
[16:14:13] <andypugh> There is one GUI written in freePascal...
[16:14:13] <tjb1> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/428466_4007122612439_1590726975_n.jpg
[16:14:14] <JT-Shop-> hay tjb1
[16:14:22] <taiden> Is there an entry on github?
[16:14:22] <JT-Shop-> really, which one?
[16:14:24] <tjb1> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/399456_4007139892871_237843881_n.jpg
[16:14:33] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Mocca
[16:14:35] <tjb1> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/391325_4007140892896_852490623_n.jpg
[16:14:41] <JT-Shop-> ok
[16:14:45] <JT-Shop-> forgot about that one
[16:15:12] <andypugh> tjb1: Ugly, but you could arrange it to be out of sight. Shouldn't be there though.
[16:15:13] <taiden> that 8020 is very straight
[16:15:32] <tjb1> There is the bend and gash
[16:15:36] <JT-Shop-> tjb1: what is the straitness specification for that brand?
[16:15:58] <tjb1> Not sure, I have a better picture uploading of the bemd
[16:16:00] <tjb1> Certainly shouldnt be that bad
[16:16:07] <JT-Shop-> dunno
[16:16:23] <tjb1> Not too worried about the gash, its the bend that is the problem
[16:16:33] <JT-Shop-> structural is not really very straight usually
[16:16:51] <tjb1> But this isnt over the entire length, this bend starts a specific spot
[16:17:05] <JT-Shop-> that's a problem they need to fix then
[16:17:16] <WillenCMD> anybody know how to program a button press and held with gtk?
[16:17:23] <tjb1> Here is the good one - http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/557213_4007142532937_1214748650_n.jpg
[16:17:31] * JT-Shop- goes to fix an air leak
[16:17:56] <JT-Shop-> yea, you can see the deformation where the forklift ran over it
[16:18:03] <tjb1> On this picture at 26.5" you can see where the anodizing is stressed at the bend - http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/484028_4007139412859_1901660212_n.jpg
[16:18:25] <tjb1> The packaging wasnt hurt and the other 10ft that was strapped to this one isnt bent
[16:18:43] <JT-Shop-> taiden: http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl/tutorial/tcltutorial.html
[16:19:02] <alex4nder> tjb1: who did you order from?
[16:19:08] <tjb1> T-slots
[16:19:12] <alex4nder> ah, not 80/20?
[16:19:20] <tjb1> Nope, they were too expensive
[16:19:28] <tjb1> I got free shipping at t-slots
[16:19:37] <alex4nder> ah
[16:19:48] <tjb1> And only $0.81 an inch on the 3030
[16:20:31] <tjb1> Here it is - "Straightness - .0125" per foot of length, not to exceed .120 over 20 feet of length"
[16:20:36] <andypugh> tjb1: That's really disappointing.
[16:20:42] <tjb1> Its .125 over 2 ft...
[16:20:45] <taiden> I think it's time to learn gladevcp
[16:21:17] <tjb1> I will be calling in the morning about it
[16:21:34] <WillenCMD> taiden: i have built up a bit of experience wiht gladevcp over the last 87 hours
[16:21:48] <WillenCMD> thats how long i have been writing this gui
[16:21:50] <WillenCMD> lol
[16:21:52] <taiden> haha
[16:21:55] <taiden> what are your goals
[16:21:56] <WillenCMD> according to eclipse
[16:22:14] <tjb1> Anyone ever had a problem with a bent extrusion? What did they do?
[16:22:54] <WillenCMD> its standalone 3 axis motion control using only hal
[16:23:24] <WillenCMD> non gcode or interpolated movements, though there is an interpolation hal component
[16:23:31] <WillenCMD> i have them all pretty much memeroized
[16:23:49] <WillenCMD> lol i launch my browser the hal api html is my home page
[16:24:18] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:24:26] <taiden> my goal is to have a fixture with 12 parts, and then have a GUI where i can select options for each part
[16:24:44] <tjb1> Maybe I will get a discount on the gashed one but the bent one definitely needs replaced
[16:24:46] <taiden> and then have it run the appropriate cut files for each location
[16:25:13] <WillenCMD> shouldn't be that hard gladevcp makes it very easy to work with hal
[16:25:40] <WillenCMD> this is the first program i have ever wrote, with the exception of microcontroller code
[16:25:58] <WillenCMD> so don't be fooled by my emense amount of time i have spent on it
[16:26:02] <taiden> :)
[16:26:26] <taiden> i'm hoping to be able to just make each option as an ngc
[16:26:48] <taiden> and then use my gui to just call these options for each location on the 12 part jig
[16:27:35] <WillenCMD> shouldn't be to complicated
[16:27:39] <JT-Shop-> it seems mighty quiet around here for the 4th... must be too hot for the... to come outside
[16:27:50] <taiden> haha
[16:27:56] <taiden> we're all stuck in our basements hacking away
[16:28:51] <tjb1> Im sitting in air conditioning with a fan blowing on me :D
[16:29:56] <taiden> oh thank god it seems gladevcp is mostly python
[16:34:36] <JT-Shop-> I'm just glad I put R43 insulation in the attic of everything
[16:46:41] <JT-Shop-> looks like the Brits are into civil war cannons too http://www.artillerysociety.co.uk/index.html
[16:48:17] <taiden> haha
[16:48:22] <taiden> the brits are into everything
[16:49:24] <JT-Shop-> I wish I could finger out what goes in the linstock socket of the 6 pounder I built
[16:50:00] <taiden> g12 g13
[16:50:02] <taiden> mind blown
[16:50:16] <taiden> wish i had found that before i wrote my circular pocketing subroutine
[16:57:47] <WillenCMD> anyone care to brainstorm how i can implement a jog button on a touch screen with gladevcp?
[17:00:02] <taiden> ask me again in a week :)
[17:00:44] <JT-Shop-> i finally found a linstock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linstock_pskov.jpg
[17:01:07] <taiden> not sure why but that made me laugh
[17:01:26] <taiden> kinematics for skew compensation?
[17:01:32] <JT-Shop-> can't have a linstock socket on your cannon without a linstock
[17:01:38] <taiden> my xy plane has skew
[17:02:10] <JT-Shop-> so X and Y are not perpendicular to each other?
[17:02:19] <taiden> nope
[17:02:21] <taiden> just slightly off
[17:02:32] <taiden> cuts slight parallelograms
[17:02:57] * JT-Shop- heads to fire up the barbie
[17:03:41] <alex4nder> JT-Shop-: you got shrimpz?
[17:04:23] <taiden> if so he might be from austria
[17:04:34] <alex4nder> or australia
[17:04:48] <taiden> (dumb and dumber reference)
[17:04:51] <taiden> :)
[17:05:01] <alex4nder> yes
[17:10:20] <jthornton> alex4nder, ribs and corn on the cob
[17:10:48] <alex4nder> jthornton: tritip
[17:10:55] <alex4nder> central california, representing.
[17:11:15] <tjb1> Seems like a lovely night to go to bed early :D
[17:11:22] <jthornton> I keep a case of tritip in the deep freezer
[17:11:29] <alex4nder> jthornton: where do you live?
[17:11:30] <jthornton> my favorite cut
[17:11:40] <jthornton> swamp east missouri
[17:11:43] <alex4nder> interesting
[17:11:53] <jthornton> why is that
[17:11:59] <alex4nder> back in the 80s, no one had heard of tritip outside of Santa Barbara county.
[17:12:13] <alex4nder> I met someone in Colorado who carried it, but he was from Santa Barbara county. ;)
[17:12:20] <jthornton> that's what you guys thought
[17:12:45] <jthornton> it is also known as the "butchers cut"
[17:12:46] <alex4nder> tritip is from Santa Maria going back to Northern-Mexico days.
[17:12:57] <alex4nder> they didn't invent the cows, but that's what they specialized in.
[17:13:17] <tjb1> This stuff is awesome - http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3499/3901489335_2751afb1cc_z.jpg
[17:13:51] <jthornton> anyway I live here but have lived in a lot of places starting in King Salmon Alaska
[17:13:59] <alex4nder> nice
[17:16:18] <jthornton> I like to smoke my tritip in my PLC controlled smoker and let it rest a bit then slice on a diagonal mmmmm
[17:17:52] <taiden> are there any good kinematics tutorials?
[17:19:31] <alex4nder> a tutorial?
[17:19:36] <alex4nder> what do you want to know?
[17:20:05] * Tom_itx wonders what barbie has on today
[17:20:14] <Tom_itx> err..
[17:21:07] <alex4nder> Tom_itx: flaming coals
[17:21:26] <Tom_itx> she's hawt today
[17:23:44] <tjb1> I do believe it is nap time
[17:24:12] <Jymmm> WooHoo 77¢ tubing benders!
[17:24:13] <JT-Shop-> Tom_itx: ribs
[17:24:43] <taiden> trying to compensate skew on xy plane with it
[17:26:06] <Jymmm> Heh, the package says "TUMBLING BENDERS" http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-small-tubing-bender-set-65794.html
[17:26:41] <Jymmm> yay for auto-correct
[17:29:51] <Jymmm> They work great for small tubing, couldn't pass up a 2nd set for 77¢ on clearance
[17:30:08] <Jymmm> Really hard to screw up a spring =)
[17:30:22] <alex4nder> that's the most ghetto mandrel ever
[17:30:42] <Jymmm> mandrel?
[17:31:41] <JT-Shop-> Jymmm: they get sprung easy
[17:32:28] <JT-Shop-> I need to make one of these http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Linstock_pskov.jpg
[17:33:48] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true
[17:34:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What, you doin the renaissance fair thing
[17:35:01] <Jymmm> Well, now to play with the sulfric acid in the drain thing *sigh*
[17:35:05] <JT-Shop-> it's part of my cannon
[17:35:09] <Jymmm> ah
[17:35:40] <JT-Shop-> used in case the friction fuse failed or for hand to hand combat
[17:37:24] <andypugh> JT-Shop: The former can be fixed with a lighter. The latter one would hope was unlikely to be an issue.
[17:38:20] <JT-Shop-> yes, the "slow fuse" was attached to the linstock to "touch off" the cannon an keep the chap a bit away from the vertical blast from the touch hole
[17:43:46] <andypugh> It's hard to think of a D-Sub as "subminiature" nowadays isn't it?
[17:43:57] <alex4nder> yah
[17:51:42] <andypugh> Is there any reason not to use filtered D-subs? They appear to be the cheapest, and have the biggest current rating.
[17:54:56] <Jymmm> andypugh: filtered?
[17:55:09] <andypugh> Yeah, block of ferrite in the back
[17:55:28] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: how does the paint hold up on mdf?
[17:55:36] <Jymmm> Oh, there are add-on for that
[17:55:51] <Jymmm> andypugh: you can always add them later if you need them
[17:56:33] <andypugh> I don't need them, it is just that the cheapest / highest current ones in the RS catalogue were the filtered style.
[17:57:01] <Jymmm> DB9 connectors?
[17:57:07] <andypugh> DB15
[17:57:32] <Jymmm> Um, I'd use db25 instead, cables are far more common
[17:57:58] <Jymmm> DB15 was midi joystick thing
[17:57:58] <andypugh> I will make up my own cable.
[17:58:10] <Jymmm> Why?
[17:58:20] <andypugh> It is actually 3 motor power + 8 digital.
[17:58:40] <Jymmm> Yeah, DB25 cable is all moded, shielded etc for you
[17:58:44] <Jymmm> molded
[17:58:49] <andypugh> 10A ?
[17:58:52] <Jymmm> even the shells are
[17:59:02] <tjb1> Do lovejoy couplers have more backlash than the spring couplers?
[17:59:05] <Jymmm> maybe with two pins
[17:59:37] <andypugh> I have paired the pins, but probably not in the way that works for a premade cable
[17:59:44] <Jymmm> heh
[18:00:01] <Jymmm> I like the mic din connectrs for that
[18:00:12] <Jymmm> 18ga shielded pair works great
[18:00:24] <Jymmm> and 10-20A too
[18:01:05] <Jymmm> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/parts/micconn.html
[18:01:40] <alex4nder> CPC
[18:01:43] <alex4nder> 13A per conn
[18:01:45] <alex4nder> easy to crimp
[18:01:55] <Jymmm> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103255
[18:02:08] <Jymmm> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103996
[18:02:14] <Jymmm> inline and panel mount
[18:02:44] <Jymmm> and a solid screw tight fitting as well
[18:03:32] <andypugh> I have used them all over my other machine (though they are a bit cheap and nasty).
[18:03:43] <Jymmm> them?
[18:03:49] <andypugh> I prefer Lemo or Neutrik connectors
[18:04:00] <alex4nder> yah, but Lemo tooling is $$$.
[18:04:04] <Jymmm> Sure at $20+/each
[18:04:18] <alex4nder> I used amp CPCs over the last race car I built
[18:04:28] <andypugh> Neutrik are reasonable (for 250V 20A connectors)
[18:04:30] <alex4nder> they were great, and good for the price.
[18:04:40] <Jymmm> You're going ghetto, but from db to 4pin din is an improvement and they won't fall out on ya.
[18:05:03] <Jymmm> and can handle the higher amperages
[18:05:04] <andypugh> I was planning to use 9W3
[18:05:24] <andypugh> But in the end I didnt bother.
[18:05:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271002231479?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2661
[18:05:57] <Jymmm> The mic jacks are simple, easily available in a pinch, and screw lock.
[18:06:43] <Jymmm> at least the 4pins are
[18:06:58] <Jymmm> higher available from ham radio places retail
[18:07:09] <alex4nder> it'd be ok for a cheap stepper setup
[18:07:55] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/d-subminiature/6930913/
[18:08:17] <andypugh> Jymmm: As I said, i have about 10 on my other machine, from 3 to 7 pins.
[18:08:43] <alex4nder> andypugh: what do you guys use for prototype automotive connectors?
[18:08:47] <Jymmm> andypugh: of what? db? 13w3? 4p Din?
[18:09:07] <andypugh> But if I was making another stepper machine I would be using: http://www.maplin.co.uk/4-pole-speakon-connector-1389
[18:09:22] <andypugh> Jymmm: The CB_radio connectors
[18:09:28] <Jymmm> ah
[18:09:49] <Jymmm> Why would you want something that can be instantly released with the push of a button?
[18:10:06] <Jymmm> are they water tight?
[18:10:10] <andypugh> Jymmm: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5398215381172597314
[18:10:13] <alex4nder> Jymmm: they sruvive musicians
[18:10:18] <alex4nder> speakons are legit
[18:10:20] <andypugh> I even modified them to take 10mm conduit
[18:10:38] <Jymmm> but you are not doing a temporary setup in a day
[18:11:16] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/sch/uniquerc/m.html?hash=item1c28c452bf&item=120943039167&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562
[18:11:27] <r00t4rd3d> this guy only sells gcode
[18:11:31] <r00t4rd3d> and alot of it
[18:11:32] <andypugh> Jymmm: Speakon push then twist then lock. It isn't the push of a button. They are a really satisfying connector to use, and have multiple finger contacts internally.
[18:11:49] <Jymmm> andypugh: Ah, ok.
[18:11:55] <Jymmm> andypugh: water tight?
[18:12:00] <Jymmm> andypugh: as in coolant?
[18:12:07] <tjb1> Hey r00t4rd3d
[18:12:44] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: 3D artwork is VERY expensive
[18:12:49] <andypugh> Not in the way you mean. They are actually airtight into the cabinet. But there is no ingress protection to the terminals.
[18:12:59] <Jymmm> andypugh: k
[18:13:36] <andypugh> Jymmm: If you look at my picture you can see a pair of Speakons bottom right for the axis motors.
[18:13:49] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: http://www.vectorart3d.com/
[18:14:34] <Jymmm> andypugh: If you are going to spend $20+ per cnnector, I'd expect oil/water tight at least
[18:15:46] <andypugh> Speakon are £4
[18:15:55] <Jymmm> andypugh: Oh, I get to play with some more gas.... 25% coupon and I picked up one of these today http://www.harborfreight.com/propane-bottle-refill-kit-45989.html
[18:16:09] <Jymmm> andypugh: Oh, the price went down a lot
[18:16:49] <Jymmm> andypugh: is the panel mount the same price?
[18:18:03] <andypugh> Chssis socket is really cheap. $2 http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/loudspeaker-connectors/0464684/ and http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/loudspeaker-connectors/0464690/?origin=PSF_394001|cav
[18:20:02] <Jymmm> then why even bother thinking bout 13W3 which is mean for coax
[18:20:46] <Jymmm> and I haven't seen in use in 20+ years
[18:20:53] <andypugh> There are several alternatives for the big holes in 13W3. As well as Coax there are pneumatic, fibre-optoc and solid high-current terminals too.
[18:21:22] <Jymmm> but that cs 30A@250V ?!
[18:21:25] <Jymmm> vs
[18:21:40] <Jymmm> and no REAL locking
[18:23:10] <Jymmm> Hell, I'd almost say use stak-ons over a 13w3
[18:25:23] <andypugh> I am only using D-sub at all because I have a very specific space limitation: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5761456633570778562
[18:26:47] <Tom_itx> i converted mine over to the 4pin din couple days ago
[18:26:52] <Tom_itx> and use db25 for signals
[18:27:05] <Tom_itx> both locally available
[18:28:34] <Tom_itx> andypugh, slip a piece of shrinkwrap over the wires as you go
[18:29:45] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I am offended if you think that is anything but the most short-term of testing lash-ups
[18:29:56] <Tom_itx> heh
[18:30:00] <Tom_itx> even so it can short
[18:30:20] <andypugh> PSU is set to 40ma
[18:30:52] <Tom_itx> carry on
[18:32:26] <andypugh> You might also have noticed that that is a PCB type connector. The job is on hold until I get the right one. And I will probably buy some more encoder chips, that one seems to not be working.
[18:45:11] <Tom_itx> what are you planning to use that motor for?
[18:47:55] <andypugh> This folding RepRap is rather neat: http://www.ulule.com/foldarap/
[18:49:07] <Tom_itx> i wonder how many patent laws are broken with reprap
[18:50:13] <andypugh> None of the commercial ones can use a heated build space (Stratasys patent) but the original RepRap project was started by Bath University, and they presumably checked.
[18:51:06] <Tom_itx> what does the heated pad do for it?
[18:51:12] <Tom_itx> i don't know much about reprap
[18:57:13] <andypugh> I think it stops the material freezing before it has change to properly consolidate
[19:12:59] <andypugh> Connor: Did you get anywhere with your air cylinder?
[19:13:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bee_1341390850
[19:17:16] <r00t4rd3d> Stewart Gilligan Griffin
[20:41:20] <jdh> ?
[21:11:44] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ldrider.ca/cnc/garysclock/garysclock.htm
[21:11:53] <r00t4rd3d> if any one is bored
[21:13:08] <ReadError> got alot of parts to cut ;(*
[21:14:08] <Valen> pretty epic clock
[21:14:19] <ReadError> on the brightside, im done with work for the week!
[21:25:38] <WiillenCMdesign> if your in sim mode on linuxcnc does the time not work properly? the feed to time isn't adding up
[22:39:20] <WiillenCMdesign> can anyone explain why the timing is off on the simulation version of linuxcnc
[22:39:40] <Valen> the time reported is only an estimate
[22:40:05] <WiillenCMdesign> okay because the feedrate looks way to fast to be right
[22:40:25] <WiillenCMdesign> plus i have a cycle time calculator on the gui im working on and it's not adding up, and i know its right
[22:40:43] <Valen> sure your not mixing imperial and metric?
[22:41:07] <WiillenCMdesign> hmmm im only using hal via hal components is there a setting for that in stepgen
[22:41:17] <Valen> nfi never used it
[22:41:44] <WiillenCMdesign> i wonder if limit3 velocity is in in/s or in/m
[22:42:37] <WiillenCMdesign> that would make sense about the units
[22:47:33] <Valen> is it off by a factor of 25?
[23:01:15] <WiillenCMdesign> testing it now
[23:16:45] <WiillenCMdesign> thats what i is
[23:16:50] <WiillenCMdesign> dan
[23:16:51] <WiillenCMdesign> damn
[23:34:42] <tjb1> Thats what you get for going to bed at 8pm...
[23:34:53] <tjb1> Up and not tired at midnight
[23:38:43] <r00t4rd3d> 1230 now and i have to be up at 530
[23:42:27] <tjb1> How does the paint hold up on your mdf?