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[02:01:54] <DJ9DJ> moin
[03:10:38] <samkan> Hi
[03:10:48] <samkan> need guidance on engraving
[03:28:07] <archivist> samkan, so ask :)
[03:29:00] <archivist> samkan, how will you lift the cutter without a Z
[03:32:31] <samkan> i show the demo of laser cut software with a chinese laser with X and Y axis, it do engraving
[03:32:46] <samkan> lasercut has option to cut from the boundry
[03:33:01] <samkan> do emc2 can do this?
[03:56:39] <archivist> samkan, people are using emc2/linuccnc for laser cutting
[03:57:51] <Jymmm> ALL lasers require a Z axis to focus the beam for engraving. Just some of them do it manually.
[03:58:31] <archivist> it will cut/engrave from where you control it, so yes
[04:19:06] <samkan> ok
[04:19:25] <samkan> but I am wondering how the lasercut people do it !!
[04:30:41] <samkan> how about something like filling?
[04:34:05] <mrsun> my first successfull melt of cast iron!
[04:34:14] <mrsun> in a crucible not made for it, and with far to thick walls :P
[04:34:25] <mrsun> but still, got a small amount molten in the oil fired furnace =)
[04:35:41] <Valen> sweet
[04:35:51] <Valen> cast iron casting cool
[04:36:07] <Valen> bah too many word streams going on at the moment in my head
[04:38:54] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218075 http://imagebin.org/218076 http://imagebin.org/218078 (the little gray splatter is the cast iron i managed to melt, but atleast it was molten! :P
[04:40:40] <Valen> which grey spatter lol?
[04:41:02] <mrsun> on the last picture, in the middle of the black mess :P
[04:41:03] <Valen> ahh multiple pictures nvm
[04:41:32] <mrsun> tested it with magnet and its magnetic so has to be the cast iron :P
[04:42:07] <mrsun> i like the mod of the furnace but its to high + to narrow for the oil burner
[04:42:20] <mrsun> should make a smaller one that isnt as high and a bit wider
[04:47:36] <Valen> fun fun fun
[04:48:00] <mrsun> strangley the lining still holds up, its made from 1300 degree C furnace cement and vermaculite
[04:48:15] <mrsun> should have melted .. or im just at 1200 - 1250 degrees ...
[04:48:29] <mrsun> dont think it will be enough for casting with it :/
[04:49:13] <mrsun> 1175 - 1290 degrees melting point depending on how much carbon i guess
[04:52:31] <mrsun> 1340 degrees pouring temperature
[04:52:37] <mrsun> for thickwalled castings
[05:07:01] <TekniQue> mrsun: is that an oil furnace?
[05:56:45] <mrsun> 2nd melting attempt ... 640grams of cast iron successfully cast! =)
[05:57:06] <JT-Shop> got a photo of that?
[05:58:32] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218227 fresh out of the "mold" (just a pit in some oil bound sand :P)
[05:58:50] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218229 the lump =)
[05:58:57] <mrsun> picture on camera sucks :/
[05:59:47] <JT-Shop> how the heck did you get it hot enough to pour?
[06:00:10] <mrsun> just heated it
[06:00:16] <mrsun> let the furnace rip =)
[06:00:28] <JT-Shop> gas furnace?
[06:01:18] <mrsun> oil
[06:01:28] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218075 http://imagebin.org/218076 http://imagebin.org/218078
[06:01:28] <mrsun> first pictures i took =)
[06:01:34] <mrsun> modified my gas furnace
[06:01:42] <mrsun> house heating oil
[06:02:22] <mrsun> 40 minutes from cold to molten
[06:02:39] <JT-Shop> neat
[06:03:22] <mrsun> so now im in the iron casters club =)
[06:03:24] <mrsun> yeey
[06:03:46] <mrsun> should have waited a tad bit longer, as i can see in the surface that the melt wasnt quite hot enough =)
[06:05:44] <mrsun> lump looks like an iron meteorite, first time ever casting iron so dont know if i need flux etc etc :P
[06:09:27] <JT-Shop> hey, gotta start somewhere
[06:09:34] <mrsun> yeah =)
[06:09:40] <mrsun> now its only uphill from here i hope :P
[06:10:46] <JT-Shop> or downhill depending on how you look at it... I assume getting melted cast iron as the biggest hurdle
[06:12:44] <JT-Shop> is that burner just a home heating oil furnace burner?
[06:12:57] <mrsun> yes i guess you call it that
[06:13:33] <JT-Shop> be like chicken lips around here... no one uses oil furnaces around here
[06:14:13] <mrsun> but they are good =) relights by themselfs etc =)
[06:14:14] <mrsun> love em
[06:14:25] <mrsun> and not as high a roar as the gas burner i have
[06:19:58] <mrsun> some more experimentation and hopefully i can up the amount of iron being melted, tho if it takes 40 minutes for 640 grams ... it would take a heck of alot longer for like 2kg :P
[06:20:28] <Valen> depends on how efficent everything is
[06:20:35] <Valen> i'd say probably not drastically longer
[06:20:42] <mrsun> hmm ok =)
[06:21:09] <mrsun> well might be true, as when you finaly get the furnace fully up to temperature that holds alot of stored energy also and not eating as much energy =)
[06:21:34] <mrsun> and with this i might be able to make wootz also!
[06:22:32] <Valen> also you will have the same amount of heat coming out the top of the furnace
[06:32:13] <mrsun> and now i know for a fact that i can do brass and bronze in the furnace also =) thats also cool =)
[06:35:13] <Valen> new tools that are general purpose are always awesome
[06:35:47] <mrsun> mm =)
[07:07:07] <mrsun> might just have to go and cast a couple of brass gibs for the mill :P
[08:52:55] <mrsun> airbag hack worked also, yeey me =) now the airbag lamp works as it should =)
[09:05:22] <ReadError> wonder what happend to ThadiusB ?
[09:08:03] <mrsun> he also hacked airbag system and then disapeared? :P
[09:31:27] <delkin> While I'm doing the step-by-step config I got this error: 'RTAPI: ERROR: Unexpected realtime delay on task1' Does anyone have a clue?
[09:42:39] <pcw_home> did you run the latency test on your CPU?
[09:56:01] <ReadError> airbag hax?
[09:56:16] <ReadError> delkin: sounds like you got the latency set too low
[10:14:24] <anonimasu> mrsun: tell us how it goes to cast iron
[11:06:24] <UnderSampled|phn> Hello
[11:06:49] <UnderSampled|phn> How do I set how fast G0 goes?
[11:07:26] <Connor> G0 goes Max Velocity of each Axis.
[11:07:40] <Connor> If I recall correctly.
[11:07:54] <Connor> You can use the slider in AXIS to limit the Max Velocity.
[11:10:00] <UnderSampled|phn> Oh
[11:10:16] <Connor> G0 is for Rapids.
[11:10:17] <UnderSampled|phn> Oh, thanks
[11:10:58] <Connor> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#_g0_rapid_motion_a_id_sec_g0_a
[11:11:32] <Connor> G1 can move the machine the same as G0, but, has the option of having a feed rate specified at the end.
[11:11:39] <Connor> What are you trying to do ?
[11:12:27] <JT-Shop> at the end?
[11:13:21] <Connor> G1 Xnn Ynn Znn Fnnn
[11:13:29] <Connor> Guess it can go anywhere.
[11:13:48] <Connor> He can scroll down from that link and read about G1 too. :)
[11:16:24] <JT-Shop> oh the end of the G code line... it can be anywhere on the line or before the line
[11:18:09] <jdh> UnderSampled: where are you?
[11:19:02] <UnderSampled|phn> NC
[11:19:07] <Connor> UnderSamp@cpe-174-097-224-178.nc.res.rr.com
[11:19:24] <jdh> where in NC? I'm in Wilmington
[11:19:26] <Connor> Was gonna say.. in NC in his house. :)
[11:20:08] <jdh> nc.res is mid/rtp NC?
[11:20:13] <UnderSampled|phn> I was thinking my machine war set too fast, but didn't want to have to go to the config
[11:20:19] <UnderSampled|phn> Cary
[11:20:51] <JT-Shop> use the max velocity slider to slow it down
[11:20:55] <UnderSampled|phn> Ok
[11:22:11] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[11:23:07] <UnderSampled|phn> Now.'m finding that it has more jitters at slower speeds
[11:23:13] <UnderSampled|phn> How do I have the gcode pause automatically?
[11:24:56] <JT-Shop> pause for a time or until you say go?
[11:32:11] <UnderSampled|phn> until I say go
[11:33:06] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#_m0_m1_program_pause_a_id_sec_m0_m1_a
[11:33:45] <Loetmichel> just write m01 somewhere in your code where you want to stop for user action
[11:51:41] <anonimasu> m00 is better as it's non conditional
[11:52:32] <Tom_itx> ok, now i get a 'growling' from the Y axis
[11:52:41] <Tom_itx> it all appears to be wired right
[11:52:58] <Tom_itx> will diagnose later on
[11:53:39] <Tom_itx> M1 is for lazy operators, M0 is for lazy programmers
[11:54:14] <anonimasu> then what would you do, have your non atc machine continue with the same drill to rough out a pocket :p
[11:54:45] <mrsun> anonimasu, good? :P
[11:54:45] <Tom_itx> M0 forces the operator to push a button
[11:54:52] <Tom_itx> M1 gives him the option
[11:55:01] <anonimasu> toolchanges are not optional :)
[11:55:06] <Tom_itx> umm
[11:55:13] <Tom_itx> if it is the same tool it is
[11:55:31] <anonimasu> well, you dont spit out a toolchange for the same tool with a diff op
[11:55:32] <Tom_itx> i used that on my mill before i had linuxcnc installed because it didn't support M0 M1
[11:55:50] <Tom_itx> but it would stop for a same tool change
[11:56:15] <anonimasu> I keep a m01 after every op for verifying that they are correct
[11:56:48] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control6.jpg
[11:56:50] <Tom_itx> mostly wired now
[11:57:07] <Tom_itx> need to wire the db25 for the pendant still
[11:57:47] <mrsun> redid the furnace some (cut off about 2 inches for you imperial people or 50mm for you metric people) and man does it get hot ....
[11:57:59] <mrsun> melted ALOT faster =)
[11:58:09] <mrsun> didnt take time but it did not take as long time as last time :P
[12:01:04] <mrsun> but im burning up the burner "nozzle" :P
[12:03:10] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218478 <-- one more test casting while test melting =)
[12:05:59] <Tom_itx> what are you planning to make?
[12:06:41] <syyl> looks like a heart ;)
[12:07:05] <mrsun> that is a small paperweight :P
[12:07:10] <mrsun> or whatever i should call it =)
[12:07:25] <mrsun> Tom_itx, with the melting ? .. dont know ... always come up with something =)
[12:07:27] <Tom_itx> make JT-Shop some cannon balls
[12:08:49] <IchGuckLive> is there a Trick to set all G5X to G53 after Homing so to clear all
[12:09:48] <syyl> when you can cast metal
[12:09:50] <IchGuckLive> i am working on a new leason on part zewro after yesterdays O call discussion
[12:09:56] <Jymmm> mrsun: Is the "black heart" for you gf/wife?
[12:10:12] <mrsun> do not have a gf anymore :/
[12:10:17] <Jymmm> mrsun: If so, I hope you've remodeled the dog house
[12:10:17] <syyl> any new construction of yours will be made of casting :D
[12:10:29] <mrsun> Jymmm, why ? :)
[12:10:37] <mrsun> its a beautifull piece of art =)
[12:10:49] <Jymmm> mrsun: If you give her a black heart???
[12:11:12] <syyl> my ex girlfriend would have loved it
[12:11:15] <mrsun> if they are so stupid if i give them a heart in cast iron that they throw me out to the dog house its bye bye to them
[12:11:32] <mrsun> nothing says love more then in iron cladding :p
[12:11:33] <Jymmm> mrsun: I think I might know why you dont have a gf =)
[12:12:20] <Jymmm> mrsun: Now, had you given her a lump of coal under high temp/pressure, she might have thought differently =)
[12:12:59] <Jymmm> mrsun: not a 10lb paper weight
[13:14:26] <Jymmm> very cool
http://www.fastcodesign.com/1670138/10-of-the-years-most-amazing-science-photos#9
[13:15:13] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: nonconstructiv
[13:15:24] <Jymmm> ?
[13:15:36] <IchGuckLive> abstract
[13:16:06] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: wait till you see the anti-diarea crystal
[13:18:31] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm
http://mechmo.de/Bild-91.png:
[13:18:38] <IchGuckLive> this is constructiv
[13:19:07] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: and your point is?
[13:20:30] <IchGuckLive> Dot at all
[13:24:30] <gmagno> hey, I just bought a TB6560 driver board and 3x NEMA17 motors. I'm using StepConf Wizard to test the equipment. On the X Axis Configuration menu I do the axis test but with no success. I mean, I can hear that typical sound of a motor rotating, but none of the shafts rotate... Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[13:24:45] <gmagno> I'm also following this guy procedure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXjSZ3tIr0
[13:25:18] <gmagno> I can also feel the motors getting a bit hot
[13:25:54] <archivist> getting very warm is ok
[13:26:29] <gmagno> hmm ok
[13:26:34] <archivist> when mounded on the machine the machine acts as a heatsink
[13:26:35] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: put base to 25000
[13:26:39] <archivist> mounted
[13:26:47] <IchGuckLive> put step and space to 5000
[13:27:03] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: and the dir to 20000
[13:27:24] <IchGuckLive> also did you connect it accurate+
[13:27:35] <IchGuckLive> A+A- B+ B-
[13:27:44] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, absolutely!
[13:27:56] <IchGuckLive> i guess you did not modyfy th tb6560
[13:28:18] <IchGuckLive> so put current to 50Percent
[13:28:40] <IchGuckLive> and others to fast and Halfstep
[13:29:09] <IchGuckLive> as the steppers only stall i gues its the motorwirering
[13:29:33] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, erm... I'm using the same current confs, 1/16, 75%current and decay 25%
[13:29:36] <IchGuckLive> you need to disconnect the power and the Parport for Setting the Switches
[13:29:47] <IchGuckLive> Decay 100
[13:30:02] <IchGuckLive> 1/2 halfstep
[13:30:34] <IchGuckLive> as i said with all power sdisconnected otherwise it will break the board
[13:31:13] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, :S I'm not disconnecting parport to switch the DIP... fuck!
[13:31:18] <delkin> can you break the board if the parallel port is connected?
[13:31:31] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, not happening anymore
[13:31:42] <gmagno> sry for the f word
[13:32:35] <IchGuckLive> i got 30 education mashines with ZENS board i did F--- alot in the startup
[13:33:14] <IchGuckLive> as the Datasheet Sais only with disconnected Power and parport otherwise the TB will head up
[13:33:18] <gmagno> :D
[13:33:58] <IchGuckLive> no since i modified from Packet nothing since 1year already
[13:34:35] <gmagno> checking the motors wiring once again
[13:35:23] <IchGuckLive> can you disconnect them from the Board and then take a meter to messure up the Ohm
[13:36:01] <archivist> gmagno, set slower acceleration and lower the top speed till you get it running
[13:36:10] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, gonna do that4
[13:38:17] <IchGuckLive> speed is to calculate as max to 100RPM of the steppers and acelleration on 2 Leadscrew Rotation for the start
[13:39:32] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, it's about 3ohm each coil (if I shunt the probes I get 1.2ohm, so I believe it's not bad, right?)
[13:42:05] <IchGuckLive> yes yo do not messhure anything between A+ and the B+,- as the same as A- nothing to B+,-
[13:42:47] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, yup. Both coils are isolated
[13:43:22] <gmagno> I'm going back to the wizard and do those params changes
[13:43:28] <anonimasu> http://ah.io23.net/ul/files/Screen%20Shot%202012-06-26%20at%2020.29.54%20.png random motor mount
[13:43:30] <IchGuckLive> so what speed dis you select did you try to start from 5 and acceleration 6
[13:43:32] <anonimasu> :)
[13:45:05] <JT-Shop> yea, make them cannon balls about 1 3/4" in diameter
[13:45:53] <anonimasu> ?
[13:46:22] <JT-Shop> <mrsun> or whatever i should call it =)
[13:46:22] <JT-Shop> <mrsun> Tom_itx, with the melting ? .. dont know ... always come up with something =)
[13:46:22] <JT-Shop> <Tom_itx> make JT-Shop some cannon balls
[13:46:40] <anonimasu> ah hehe
[13:46:52] <anonimasu> then the dreaded y axis left for my machine after tomorrow
[13:46:55] <mrsun> JT-Shop, shipping will be quite expensive :P
[13:46:56] <JT-Shop> I need to make a lead mold for the cannon balls
[13:47:11] <mrsun> and i do not work in inches
[13:47:12] <mrsun> ;P
[13:47:12] <JT-Shop> can you email them to me?
[13:47:16] <anonimasu> custom ballnut mount and shit since it has to fit in the center
[13:47:24] <anonimasu> mrsun: it dosent work even in sweden :/
[13:47:41] <anonimasu> mrsun: i have inch stuff arriving all the damn time, and its a pain in the ass
[13:48:30] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I'm using max vel: 60mm/s and max acc: 400mm/s/s. What would you suggest?
[13:49:03] <JT-Shop> mm is the easy way out 1+1=2 what is 13/64" - 9/32" quick in your head lol
[13:49:46] <gmagno> interesting, one of my 3 motors is not warm...
[13:49:54] <anonimasu> well, thats -5/64
[13:49:57] <anonimasu> :p
[13:50:08] <JT-Shop> :)
[13:50:21] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: start with 6mm/s
[13:50:27] <mrsun> gmagno, does it stand still most of the time? :)
[13:51:24] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, ok. mrsun the shafts dont turn at all
[13:51:51] <mrsun> oh none is moving and only one motor is not getting hotter ?
[13:52:06] <gmagno> now I don't even hear that typical sound of the motors when I press one of the arros
[13:52:09] <gmagno> arrows*
[13:52:17] <gmagno> mrsun, that is correct
[13:52:22] <mrsun> hmm
[13:52:30] <mrsun> different settings on the driver? :)
[13:52:33] <mrsun> current settings etc
[13:52:36] <gmagno> mrsun, wait it is a bit warm now
[13:52:50] <gmagno> mrsun, same settings
[13:53:10] <mrsun> might be a fluke of nature then .. is it steppers? :)
[13:53:19] <mrsun> they should not get worm when standing still with good drivers =)
[13:53:32] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, ok, if I increase the acc I can hear now the sound
[13:54:05] <gmagno> mrsun, this (
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3axis-Nema17-stepper-motor-78oz-in-CNC-kit-3A-driver-board?item=300654822440&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D159989555669286571) is the kit I'm using
[13:55:06] <mrsun> Using RC +7414 automatic semi-flow,the current automatic reduce when stepper motor stop to down the heat <- seems it got half current atleast
[13:55:08] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, which acc do you suggest?
[13:55:15] <mrsun> or something similiar
[13:55:30] <mrsun> gmagno, stepper differently mounted then the others ?
[13:55:41] <mrsun> like bigger surface area of the mounting plate or something =)
[13:56:00] <gmagno> mrsun, I checked that. THey are correctly mounted
[13:56:06] <gmagno> motors are really warm now
[13:56:22] <gmagno> specially one of them
[13:56:25] <mrsun> you havent set the current to high for the motors then ? :)
[13:56:57] <gmagno> mrsun, no, I set to 50%
[13:57:16] <gmagno> should I set to 100%??
[13:57:59] <mrsun> gmagno, well how are your steppers connected? . . parallel or serial ? :)
[13:58:00] <gmagno> is it too bad to make this tests with only on motor connected?
[13:58:01] <mrsun> to start with
[13:58:28] <mrsun> ahh its 4 lead motors?
[13:58:31] <mrsun> not 8 :)
[13:58:33] <gmagno> exacly!
[13:58:44] <gmagno> mrsun, it's easy, even for me :D
[13:58:48] <mrsun> then the maximum current is 1.8A ...
[13:59:02] <mrsun> do not know the settings of that board?
[13:59:09] <mrsun> is there a guide ors omething for it? :)
[14:00:00] <gmagno> mrsun, there is, but it is BS... :/ I'm using it just to know how to set the DIP switches
[14:00:42] <mrsun> so you get % of maximum current i guess then, and 50% should be from 3.5A 1.75A for the motor and that should be right
[14:00:49] <gmagno> I mean, there are tables in that document saying what each combination corresponds to in terms of current, decay and resolution
[14:01:52] <Jymmm> Realize that usually the current percentage is typically HOLDING torque
[14:02:17] <Jymmm> when idle
[14:02:49] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: only one motor connected is very bad
[14:03:04] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, hmm ok, not gonna do that then
[14:03:22] <IchGuckLive> the paper that coes with the board does it clear to connect all the motors bevor powerup
[14:03:23] <mrsun> gmagno, how much voltage do you have ?
[14:03:44] <gmagno> mrsun, it is funny now that you talk about that. Because they do the calculations in order to 2.5Amp, not 3.5A as specified on ebay website
[14:04:04] <gmagno> mrsun, Power supply? It is a 12V 10A
[14:04:13] <mrsun> still at 2.5Amp at 50% you do not go over the limit for the stepper =)
[14:04:15] <mrsun> oki
[14:04:17] <IchGuckLive> Nema 17 its ok
[14:04:59] <IchGuckLive> for setting once more all power and parport disconnect
[14:05:33] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, it is brained coded already =) Not gonna do that error again
[14:06:21] <IchGuckLive> hopfull it is all in wright shape it coudt be broken already
[14:06:45] <gmagno> using more that the 1.8A should b bad for the motor, right? So, I should not use 100%*2.5A, right?
[14:06:49] <IchGuckLive> no black parts on the downside power pins of the tb
[14:07:03] <IchGuckLive> yes
[14:07:20] <IchGuckLive> you cand have a 2,5 or did you order it spacelly
[14:07:32] <IchGuckLive> it is all 3.5A
[14:07:34] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, the motors are 1.8A
[14:07:53] <IchGuckLive> you can only set 50% so 1.75
[14:08:00] <gmagno> the documentation does the calculations with 2.5A. But the ebay website says 3.5A max
[14:08:01] <gmagno> :P
[14:08:03] <IchGuckLive> it is ok
[14:08:07] <gmagno> ok
[14:08:16] <IchGuckLive> put the other steppers on
[14:08:23] <IchGuckLive> 3 i guess
[14:08:39] <IchGuckLive> do you got the red or the blue board
[14:08:49] <gmagno> blue board
[14:09:06] <IchGuckLive> so FR 304 mounted as Diodes
[14:09:07] <gmagno> this is exacly my board:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3axis-Nema17-stepper-motor-78oz-in-CNC-kit-3A-driver-board?item=300654822440&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D159989555669286571
[14:09:42] <IchGuckLive> i know it
[14:09:46] <IchGuckLive> B) :D
[14:09:50] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[14:09:53] <gmagno> :D
[14:10:32] <IchGuckLive> are the led on if you connect Parport without power connect
[14:10:47] <gmagno> no
[14:11:09] <gmagno> I mean, without running linuxcnc
[14:11:37] <gmagno> Im not sure if running linux cnc would turn LED on, but no for sure, right?
[14:12:05] <IchGuckLive> you are checking all on the Axis that is configured or did you check the axis plugs
[14:12:48] <IchGuckLive> if you change things on X and the stepper is on Y it shoure will do nothing
[14:12:50] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, er.... I'm not sure I understand
[14:13:18] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I have all motors connected
[14:13:19] <IchGuckLive> put all 3 steppers on and then check again from all power up
[14:13:29] <IchGuckLive> ok
[14:13:38] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I never plugged them off, as you told me not to
[14:14:16] <IchGuckLive> so if you hit the F1 F1 combie on Axis are the driver stages going noicy as there is stioll the 100pf on the board
[14:14:30] <IchGuckLive> F1 F2
[14:15:00] <IchGuckLive> 1000pf to be correct on this hint
[14:15:10] <IchGuckLive> i runn mine on 150pf
[14:15:26] <IchGuckLive> and i did also change the FR to UF5406
[14:16:29] <IchGuckLive> the FR304 does need 1000ns to be reset the UFS only 50ns
[14:17:31] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, er.... I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about :S
[14:17:46] <IchGuckLive> Zen board modification
[14:17:49] <gmagno> where should I hit F1 F2?
[14:17:56] <IchGuckLive> to get the best out of it
[14:18:08] <IchGuckLive> in linuxcnc axis after stepconf
[14:18:39] <gmagno> by after you concluing stepconf wizard or still in stepconf wizard?
[14:18:44] <gmagno> mean*
[14:18:55] <IchGuckLive> gman where are you from im sitting in Germany near the French boarder
[14:19:10] <IchGuckLive> after concluding wizard
[14:19:12] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I'm in Portugal
[14:19:42] <IchGuckLive> go thru stepconf and try it in linuxcnc
[14:24:24] <gmagno> btw, I've also bought this kit (
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251086998347&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:GB:1123) if you think it should be easier to configure this one please tell me
[14:25:51] <IchGuckLive> igot the second one and they run perfect
[14:27:38] <mrsun> hmm, is cast iron castable in greensand ?
[14:28:59] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, do you use the same params you just told me to use with the my first one?
[14:29:55] <gmagno> could you please send me your stepconf file please? :)
[14:31:14] <IchGuckLive> im not having a mashine here
[14:31:26] <IchGuckLive> but wait i can check
[14:31:35] <gmagno> :)
[14:31:40] <IchGuckLive> USB stick
[14:31:41] <gmagno> there is hope
[14:32:09] <gmagno> :D what?
[14:32:10] <gmagno> goncalo.magno@gmail.com
[14:32:27] <JT-Shop> ouch!
[14:34:29] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: got mail B:
[14:35:12] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, got it :D thanks a lot!
[14:39:21] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: there is the homing inside
[14:40:42] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I'm trying to figure out how to use all these conf files. I was expecting a "something.stepconf" (im really noob with this... :-/)
[14:41:44] <IchGuckLive> no its the INI and the HAL thats alll about
[14:41:50] <IchGuckLive> open the hal
[14:42:02] <IchGuckLive> vheck parport pins
[14:42:29] <IchGuckLive> net xstep net xdir ... if the pins match yours
[14:42:45] <mrsun> anyone here that has done iron casting before? :)
[14:43:05] <JT-Shop> just you :)
[14:44:32] <mrsun> need advice on crucibles etc =)
[14:47:01] <hive8> how many people speak german here
[14:48:31] <jdh> nein
[14:48:36] <jdh> or maybe ten
[14:48:49] <hive8> neun oder zen
[14:48:50] <jdh> s/had/blew/
[14:48:51] <hive8> haha
[14:49:24] <jdh> there are quite a few. Ask the real question and see if anyone answers!
[14:49:32] <hive8> just asking i am orginal from zuerich
[14:49:45] <hive8> switzerland
[14:49:58] <IchGuckLive> servus hive
[14:50:01] <hive8> but now live in LA
[14:50:22] <hive8> Just working on my first build
[14:50:26] <hive8> www.hive8.com
[14:50:34] <hive8> a G0704 coversation
[14:51:23] <jdh> I have a mostly done G0704
[14:52:15] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, which .hal and .hal pair do you recommend to use?
[14:52:29] <hive8> jdh are you on cnczone?
[14:52:33] <jdh> that is a huge motor for Z I assume.
[14:52:45] <jdh> hive8: I read, but don't think I've ever posted anything.
[14:52:46] <gmagno> there is "custom", "thiel_mini"
[14:52:47] <hive8> hallo IchGuckLive
[14:53:08] <hive8> servus sieht so aus das du von Oesterreich bist
[14:53:12] <jdh> hive8: connor has posted his g0704 build there
[14:53:14] <hive8> Wien oder Graz
[14:53:32] <hive8> Yes i am talking to Connor already
[14:53:41] <hive8> making some parts
[14:53:42] <jdh> that is a huge motor... for Z I presume?
[14:53:59] <hive8> yes its 906oz/in
[14:54:10] <hive8> the rest is for X and Y
[14:54:14] <jdh> overkill, but nothing wrong with that!
[14:54:23] <hive8> I have the whole mill in Solidworks almost
[14:54:30] <jdh> cool
[14:55:00] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, ignore my question, it is thiel_mini, right?
[14:55:47] <hive8> Right now working on the head
[14:56:08] <hive8> I am really looking to upgrade my spindle
[14:56:17] <hive8> to something in the 10K range
[14:56:25] <hive8> maybe with a servo or something
[14:56:27] <jdh> that would be nice. Or even 6k
[14:56:41] <hive8> yes min 6k
[14:57:02] <hive8> so not sure whats better
[14:57:06] <Connor> jdh: Did you get the belt drive plans too ?
[14:57:16] <jdh> nope.
[14:57:20] <hive8> a VDF with a motor or a servo with a encoder for the spindle
[14:57:30] <Connor> hive8: Me and jdh was doing the conversion about the same time..
[14:58:02] <jdh> I'd assume a vfd+motor would be much cheaper per watt/hp/wtf
[14:58:49] <hive8> Oh nice
[14:58:51] <hive8> i see
[14:59:23] <hive8> I also still waiting on HOSS and his ballscew test
[14:59:28] <hive8> so i know what to go with
[14:59:44] <jdh> what ballscrew test?
[14:59:48] <Connor> jdh is also on the zone, though never posts anything. :)
[14:59:56] <hive8> HAHA
[15:00:00] <hive8> thats OK
[15:00:06] <hive8> spectator
[15:00:19] <Connor> lurker.
[15:00:27] <hive8> kkkk
[15:00:32] <Connor> My poor little G0704 thread hardly gets ANY comments from anyone...
[15:00:33] <hive8> Connor do you use Solidworks too
[15:00:40] <hive8> Mine too
[15:00:42] <Connor> hive8: No. Inventor 2012
[15:00:48] <hive8> i guess we are not to popular
[15:00:52] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: yes
[15:00:53] <hive8> oh i see
[15:01:11] <hive8> Connor are you on stock screws or ball
[15:01:19] <Connor> Stock ATM
[15:01:31] <hive8> Me too still
[15:01:31] <Connor> I'll probably go with LM2008 bearings.
[15:01:33] <jdh> I have cheap chinese ballscrews
[15:01:41] <jdh> but, some killer stepper covers!
[15:01:42] <hive8> the linear motion
[15:01:50] <hive8> 2008
[15:01:53] <Connor> ebay dude.
[15:02:08] <hive8> i mean from the seller linearmotion2008
[15:02:18] <Connor> yea.
[15:02:18] <jdh> $199 including shipping for lmb2008 ballscrews/nuts
[15:02:43] <Connor> add $6.00 for him to grind that one ball nut.
[15:02:58] <jdh> he told me they woudln't do it
[15:02:59] <hive8> wow
[15:03:04] <Connor> okay. I just made a channel. #g0704
[15:03:06] <hive8> how are they
[15:03:29] <Connor> Not bad for the $$$
[15:03:37] <Connor> I use them on my router.
[15:03:57] <hive8> are they realy C7
[15:04:00] <hive8> real
[15:04:12] <jdh> 7, 10, what's in a number.
[15:04:23] <Connor> That tis the question everyone wants to know.
[15:04:34] <Connor> jdh: Join the #g0704 channel. :)
[15:04:46] <jdh> I can't
[15:04:50] <Connor> ?
[15:04:52] <hive8> haha
[15:04:57] <hive8> just double click on it
[15:05:10] * jdh clicks furiously
[15:05:10] <hive8> http://www.hive8.com/forumPics/IRC/G0704%20Mill.JPG
[15:05:12] <Connor> or type /join #g0704
[15:05:28] <jdh> I have a 80x24 vt window
[15:05:39] <hive8> http://www.hive8.com/forumPics/IRC/Y%20Base%2002.JPG
[15:05:39] <Connor> ROFL.
[15:05:46] <Connor> what are you IRCing from ?
[15:05:57] <hive8> http://www.hive8.com/forumPics/IRC/Y%20Base%2001.JPG
[15:06:28] <jdh> sometimes a gterm, sometimes putty, sometimes connectbot
[15:06:42] <Connor> on a PC from work?
[15:07:04] <jdh> I should answer 'no' to that.
[15:07:06] <Connor> or remoting into your house or something?
[15:07:28] <jdh> client runs in screen(1)
[15:08:20] <hive8> haha
[15:08:24] <hive8> use your cell
[15:08:26] <hive8> :)
[15:09:12] <jdh> I so, but I still connect to my 80x24 screen session
[15:09:33] <Connor> Hey, I have that very same Drelmel dril press thingie.
[15:10:30] <hive8> You talk to me
[15:10:32] <hive8> kkk
[15:10:57] <hive8> That dremel drill press thing sucks bad
[15:11:13] <hive8> i tried to drill some holes into alu 3mm
[15:11:16] <hive8> no way
[15:17:16] <JT-Shop> dang the price of a factory CB for the Gl1800 is $400 less than last time I looked at them
[15:22:41] <jdh> I'm not. I'm asking you what your opinion is on that.
[15:22:59] <jdh> <wrong channel, yet again>
[15:27:15] <hive8> whats a gl1800
[15:27:54] <jdh> what you get when you can't bring yourself to buy a harley?
[15:33:10] <JT-Shop> yuck harleys are ugly
[15:33:43] <djdelorie> then don't buy a yuck harley, get a pretty one :-)
[15:33:57] <jdh> and they have that whole belt thing
[15:34:22] <JT-Shop> I wear a belt not suspenders like harleys
[15:46:21] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop any clue what would cause one stepper axis to 'growl'?
[15:46:27] <Tom_itx> it moves but makes noise
[15:46:34] <Tom_itx> afik the wiring is correct
[15:46:55] <Tom_itx> X and Z are fine but Y makes noise
[15:46:56] <jdh> did you check for loose screws on wiring?
[15:47:01] <Tom_itx> yes
[15:47:07] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna go back thru it in a bit
[15:47:09] <JT-Shop> growl during mid range?
[15:47:25] <Tom_itx> no pretty much anytime
[15:47:37] <Tom_itx> i'll triple check the wires again
[15:47:45] <JT-Shop> good plan
[15:47:46] <Tom_itx> and maybe slow the step rate down some more
[15:48:07] <Tom_itx> it's not the wires to the stepper or the drivers, i've swapped those out already
[15:48:23] <Tom_itx> it's between the pc and the drivers
[15:48:35] <Tom_itx> signal, not drive
[15:49:16] <Tom_itx> is the step signal high enough to require twisted pairs or separate shielded wires?
[15:49:21] <Tom_itx> they're all in one bundle...
[15:49:48] <Tom_itx> i'll sort it out tonight
[15:52:05] <gmagno> erm... about connecting stepper motors to driver board, is it important which is A+ and which is A-? I mean, I can find out which wires are from coil A and which are from coil B, but I cant find which is is A+ and which is A-, is this important when connecting to the driver board?
[15:52:24] <archivist> Tom_itx, loose coupling possibly
[15:52:26] <jdh> a and b are pretty much arbitrary
[15:53:15] <Tom_itx> archivist it can't be that many things, i've narrowed it down to the wire between the mesa card or the step timing i believe. i could be mistaken
[15:53:16] <jdh> swapping +/- on a phase will just change the direction
[15:53:26] <gmagno> jdh, right
[15:53:27] <gmagno> ok
[15:53:31] <gmagno> thanks
[16:07:59] <DJ9DJ> gn8tens
[16:13:17] <WillenCMD> Does anyone know if mesa has a i/o card that can switch 220v loads
[16:16:29] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: my step timings are DIRSETUP= 200
[16:16:30] <JT-Shop> DIRHOLD = 200
[16:16:30] <JT-Shop> STEPLEN = 1000
[16:16:30] <JT-Shop> STEPSPACE = 2000
[16:25:30] <andypugh> It seems that my old machine _can_ run 10.04 and LinuxCNC after all.
[16:25:39] <JT-Shop> cool
[16:25:49] <andypugh> The trick is to not use Tesco Value CD-Rs
[16:27:20] <PCW> "<WillenCMD> Does anyone know if mesa has a i/o card that can switch 220v loads"
[16:27:22] <PCW> Not directly but any of the 50 pin FPGA cards can drive I/O module racks (like OPTO22)
[16:27:23] <PCW> as can the 7I69 (48 Bit TTL remote I/O)
[16:28:12] <andypugh> I drive SSRs from GPIO pins with no problems too.
[16:28:45] <JT-Shop> is that really "Lack of Value" CD-R's?
[16:28:59] <jdh> I have some driven directly by p-port pins
[16:29:04] <andypugh> Actually, I don't think I have any _directly_ on a GPIO, I think they all have at least a ULN2003
[16:29:05] <PCW> I had so much trouble with CDRs that I dont bother unless they are TDK or some decent brand (ive had better luck with CDRWs)
[16:29:38] <andypugh> JT-Shop: They stored _some_ data, and were £0.23 each.
[16:30:16] <andypugh> The TDKs were £0.57 each. Admittedly I got a good CD for that, not 5 coasters.
[16:31:06] <PCW> I just threw out a stack of cheap ones here. after a few years sitting around you could not tell the dye side from the other
[16:32:22] <andypugh> I only bought the cheap ones because I was on my bicycle and luggage space was limited (to pockets)
[16:32:37] <JT-Shop> I can understand that
[16:33:00] <andypugh> And they were a stack of 10 without jewel cases. The others were stacks of 50 or 100, or with jewel cases
[16:35:04] <andypugh> Anyway, I am nearly back to where I was before I tried to install netatalk..
[16:35:24] <JT-Shop> 100 with jewel cases would rather stick out a bit
[16:36:06] <jdh> he's got *really* big pockets.
[16:54:11] <JT-Shop> Woot! it will only cost me $45 to fix my low oil shutdown switch on the generator
[16:54:40] <taiden> evening gents
[16:55:04] <taiden> emc2 is proverbially shitting out parts for me, it's quite satisfying (pardon the language)
[16:55:16] <taiden> thanks all for the help previously
[16:55:29] <taiden> would probably still be tearing my hair out without you all
[17:00:44] <JT-Shop> taiden: glad you got it going :-)
[17:45:11] <r00t4rd3d> whats the easiest way to from text in photoshop to cutting?
[17:45:44] <r00t4rd3d> to go*
[17:51:04] <andypugh> You mean bitmap?
[17:51:14] <andypugh> Image2gode then
[17:53:18] <r00t4rd3d> will that run under wine?
[17:53:41] <JT-Shop> I usually walk under wine
[17:53:49] <JT-Shop> to risky to run
[17:53:53] <Tom_itx> from what i see you spill quite a bit
[17:54:07] <JT-Shop> LOL just a drop here and there
[17:54:43] <JT-Shop> I fill the glass too high then walk from the house to the shop and in transit I usually spill a drop or three
[17:55:04] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: get the growling to stop?
[17:55:20] <Tom_itx> i'm just now getting ready to work on it
[17:55:33] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna run a wire to the driver and see if that's it first
[17:56:04] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Who not take the bottle to the shop?
[17:56:10] <andypugh> What could possibly go wrong?
[17:56:14] <Tom_itx> makes me think it's wiring since the other 2 aren't doing it
[17:56:30] <JT-Shop> too easy to refill the glass you know
[17:57:07] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: swap till you find it
[17:57:20] <Tom_itx> i've been down that road already
[17:57:29] <Tom_itx> it's between the driver and the pc
[17:57:41] <Tom_itx> the stepper wiring is ok
[18:00:12] <r00t4rd3d> im great in photoshop but getting it to wood has been stumping me
[18:00:31] <r00t4rd3d> everyone has a different opinion
[18:02:58] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: The thing is that Photoshop makes bitmaps. And wood is continuous.
[18:08:19] <r00t4rd3d> or gimp
[18:08:52] <r00t4rd3d> are there any plugins for that?
[18:08:57] <andypugh> Inkscape or some other vector pacakage might suit better. it does rather depend on what you want to make though.
[18:09:10] <r00t4rd3d> just print text on wood atm
[18:09:59] <r00t4rd3d> i can use pycam so all i really need is convert a image to dxf i guess
[18:10:17] <r00t4rd3d> i am gonna try image2gcode again
[18:11:11] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators#Text_Engraving_Software
[18:12:30] <JT-Shop> r00t4rd3d: have you seen the multi line text generator?
[18:14:19] <r00t4rd3d> no
[18:14:22] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=20&id=20816
[18:15:01] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I think that was at the link I just posted
[18:15:07] <JT-Shop> nope
[18:15:36] <JT-Shop> unless the wiki has ArcEye's version
[18:15:45] <JT-Shop> I shall go and see
[18:15:55] <andypugh> It looks the same to me
[18:16:13] <JT-Shop> huge difference between the two
[18:16:30] <andypugh> Really?
[18:16:33] <JT-Shop> ArcEye's you can have multi lines and more options
[18:16:50] <andypugh> They are both called engrave-lines-v3
[18:17:06] <andypugh> (section 9)
[18:17:16] <JT-Shop> oh... I see it now below engrave-11
[18:17:51] <JT-Shop> too blind to see the trees for the forest
[18:18:13] * JT-Shop shuts up now and tries to remove boot from mouth
[18:19:34] <r00t4rd3d> i bought a bunch of bits today, left them an hour and half away at work :(
[18:20:01] <JT-Shop> wow they have added a bunch to that page lately
[18:20:21] <r00t4rd3d> what page the wiki?
[18:21:44] <tjb1> You drive an hour and a half to work?
[18:21:50] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[18:21:54] <elmo40> wow
[18:21:57] <tjb1> Wow…you must get paid a lot
[18:21:58] <tjb1> :P
[18:21:59] <elmo40> mine is 12jkm away :)
[18:22:08] <r00t4rd3d> i get paid one way too
[18:22:18] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what an idiot!
[18:22:19] <tjb1> You work 8 hours?
[18:22:32] <r00t4rd3d> not normally, 10
[18:22:33] <Tom_itx> the shaft on the stepper was rubbing on my enclosure
[18:22:39] <tjb1> Thats a rough day r00t4rd3d
[18:22:43] <r00t4rd3d> i been getting 45-48 hours lately
[18:22:47] <Tom_itx> making it sound like it was missing steps
[18:24:10] <r00t4rd3d> we build awesome houses and a group of surgeons has got us working our balls off.
[18:26:07] <tjb1> Oh you are a contractor
[18:26:16] <tjb1> So you move to wherever you have to build?
[18:26:22] <r00t4rd3d> fuck no
[18:26:41] <tjb1> ??
[18:26:42] <r00t4rd3d> we will travel some if the money is right though
[18:27:05] <tjb1> So you dont normally drive 90 minutes to work
[18:27:19] <r00t4rd3d> is not out the of ordinary
[18:27:58] <r00t4rd3d> i wish it was
[18:28:25] <tjb1> Company vehicle?
[18:28:39] <r00t4rd3d> heh, there is 3 of us.
[18:28:44] <r00t4rd3d> we car pool
[18:28:51] <r00t4rd3d> or truck pool
[18:30:17] <tjb1> Is kapton tape the heat transfer tape?
[18:31:21] <r00t4rd3d> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapton
[18:32:20] <r00t4rd3d> 3D Printing
[18:32:20] <r00t4rd3d> Kapton Tape is commonly used by members of the RepRap community for covering the surface of a heated build platform, mainly because kapton adheres very well to ABS plastic hence preventing the ABS part from warping.
[18:32:49] <r00t4rd3d> i would guess yeah
[18:33:00] <tjb1> Wonder if I can get it double sided
[18:33:14] <tjb1> Need a way to attach a heatsink to the back of the gecko g540
[18:33:32] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=kapton+tape+double+sided&_sacat=0&_odkw=kapton+tape&_osacat=0
[18:33:34] <r00t4rd3d> yup
[18:33:58] <Tom_itx> it's also $300/lb
[18:34:33] <tjb1> Any other tapes?
[18:34:38] <tjb1> That arent so expensive :P
[18:34:38] <r00t4rd3d> thats what it cost to feed a fat chick too
[18:35:35] <r00t4rd3d> clear xmas packing tape
[18:36:26] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: you sorted out the noise!
[18:36:39] <Tom_itx> yeah it's never done that before :)
[18:36:49] <JT-Shop> I thought you were calling me an idiot for doubting andypugh
[18:36:57] <Tom_itx> and where i'm testing the pc isn't that close to the machine
[18:37:04] <Tom_itx> so i didn't notice it right away
[18:37:26] <Tom_itx> no not hardly
[18:38:11] <uw> thermal paste and zipties
[18:38:37] <Tom_itx> tjb1, what about a stick on thermal heatsink insulator
[18:38:45] <andypugh> The main advantage of Kapton is that it is Polyimide, and has a working temperature of 400C (750F). Not many other plastics get anywhere near that.
[18:38:51] * JT-Shop wanders in for a glass of cabernet sauvignon from a cardboard box
[18:39:14] <Tom_itx> i bet if you asked, the guy that makes my stencils would send you some
[18:39:19] <Tom_itx> how much do you need?
[18:39:28] <Tom_itx> i bet i have some old stencils
[18:40:01] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencils.jpg
[18:41:56] <Tom_itx> never say cnc and electronics don't go hand in hand, just not for milling pcb's. these are my board cutouts for applying paste solder:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencil_form4.jpg
[18:42:23] * Jymmm hands JT-Shop the 55gal cardboard drum of Maddog 20 20
[18:42:25] <tjb1> Stick on thermal heatsink?
[18:42:29] <tjb1> thermal paste?
[18:43:12] <Tom_itx> how much do you need?
[18:43:50] <tjb1> I dont think thermal paste will hold this heat sink
[18:44:59] <tjb1> Its 2.5"x2.5"x3.5"
[18:45:47] <Tom_itx> http://www.ohararp.com/Stencils.html
[18:45:56] <Tom_itx> i bet if you contacted him, he would send you some
[18:46:07] <Tom_itx> it's the same stuff i posted above
[18:46:56] <Tom_itx> just tell him what you're doing and for $25 i bet he'd send you a good chunk of it
[18:47:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Heh, I bet I could laser soem of that =)
[18:47:12] <Tom_itx> Jymmm he does
[18:47:18] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: everyone knows the cardboard drums are only 30 gallons
[18:47:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm saying *I* could probably do that.
[18:47:45] <Tom_itx> but i'm saying *I* don't see you doing it
[18:47:52] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, it's a special vintage maddog 2020 =)
[18:48:04] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: not for production, no.
[18:48:07] * JT-Shop goes to clean the AC filter
[18:48:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: clean the DC one too!
[18:49:14] <Tom_itx> ok i should finish wiring the pendant now
[18:51:14] <tjb1> I think I missed some of tat Tom_itx
[18:51:17] <tjb1> *that
[18:55:34] <JT-Shop> another quality job done
[19:00:55] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: do you squeegee the paste through the holes?
[19:33:20] <tjb1> Hey JT-Shop
[19:33:30] <tjb1> Got my 3030 extrusions for $.81 an inch
[19:33:57] <JT-Shop> nice score
[19:34:34] <JT-Shop> now tell me where the self drilling sheet metal screws with the large flat head are hiding in my shop...
[19:34:45] <tjb1> Last place you would look.
[19:35:13] <tjb1> Or probably put away in a proper location
[19:35:18] <tjb1> I lose stuff when I put it away
[19:35:34] <ReadError> i hope its the last place he would look ;)
[19:37:02] <taiden> what do you guys use for VNC on hardy?
[19:37:07] <taiden> I can't get anything to work it's driving me bonkers
[19:37:24] <taiden> finally got vnc4server to accept connections headless but linuxcnc crashes
[19:45:24] <taiden> it's because for some reason opengl is not enabled when i VNC in
[19:46:50] <r00t4rd3d> you cant run opengl through vnc on the remote term i do not believe
[19:48:35] <r00t4rd3d> i could be stoned....
[19:57:49] <ReadError> i _should_ be drunk
[19:58:46] <taiden> haha
[19:58:49] <taiden> aw man
[19:59:05] <taiden> i thought i heard of people using emc2 through vnc as a gcode simulator
[20:06:45] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop yes i use a squeege
[20:08:03] <Tom_itx> then slide them in my easy bake oven
[20:14:47] <Valen> works for us
[20:14:51] <Valen> vnc that is
[20:15:11] <Valen> using 10.04 it has a built in thing in gnome for vnc
[20:15:27] <Valen> don't know if that will work headless though, i think its inside the actual session,
[20:16:28] <taiden> headless isn't a necessity
[20:16:43] <taiden> hardy gives me much better latency
[20:16:46] <taiden> :(
[20:59:11] <tjb1> A real easy bake oven huh
[21:03:52] <Tom_itx> tjb1, yup
[21:03:54] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/toaster_oven_index.php
[21:04:00] <tjb1> That could be worth some money
[21:04:21] <tjb1> Oh thats not an easy bake
[21:06:12] <tjb1> I thought you were using this
[21:06:13] <tjb1> http://thecafeallegro.com/randomthoughts/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/easy-bake-oven.jpg
[21:09:42] <Tom_itx> mine works a little better
[21:12:03] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/reflow/cooking.JPG
[21:12:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/reflow/cooling.jpg
[21:15:25] <taiden> do you use that for flow soldering?
[21:15:29] <taiden> or whatever it's called
[21:15:38] <taiden> paste with pick n place
[21:17:00] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:28:34] <uw> how do you place the parts Tom_itx?
[21:30:15] <Tom_itx> i made a pick n place wand
[21:30:32] <Tom_itx> using a hypo needle and a reversed fishtank air pump
[21:38:23] <elmo40> anyone know of a 'deep hole' pecking cycle that will start half way in the hole (after you change to a longer drill bit) but still retract to the top of the part so chips clear out?
[21:38:52] <toastydeath> elmo40, there are more than one peck drill mode
[21:39:08] <toastydeath> i'm not sure how emc handles it, but there's an R word on most controls called the retract height
[21:39:24] <elmo40> that's not what im looking for
[21:39:28] <toastydeath> ?
[21:39:47] <toastydeath> you position the drill in the hole where you want it, but the cycle still clears to the top of the part
[21:39:55] <toastydeath> maybe i'm not understanding what you want to do
[21:39:58] <elmo40> when you change from a short pilot drill to a longer drill you start middle of the part. but to clear chips you need to retract to top of part.
[21:40:02] <toastydeath> yesd
[21:40:13] <toastydeath> and the retract height can handle that because it is bimodal
[21:40:42] <toastydeath> i'm not sure how EMC deals with it or what the relevant g code is to switch between the two modes
[21:40:55] <Tom_itx> G83 should be a deep hole cycle
[21:41:00] <elmo40> but when I put in that retract yet give the z for starting the hole, it starts the peck from the retract height.
[21:41:08] <Tom_itx> dunno how linuxcnc supports it though
[21:41:11] <elmo40> Tom_itx: sure, if you use one drill
[21:41:35] <toastydeath> elmo40, what mode is the retract height in.
[21:41:37] <Tom_itx> well if you're using 2 drills set the retract up different on the 2nd drill
[21:41:53] <toastydeath> it sounds like you're in the wrong mode
[21:41:57] <toastydeath> which is clearance mode
[21:42:15] <Tom_itx> and set your z height to the depth you've already drilled
[21:42:17] <toastydeath> where the Z height is the travel height to clear the part, and the R height is the start height for the hole
[21:42:23] <toastydeath> the other mode is reversed
[21:50:46] <elmo40> ok, let me explain, again... with a photo ;)
http://image.bayimg.com/fapnpaadf.jpg
[21:58:04] <elmo40> clear as mud?
[21:58:25] <elmo40> when I put the same retract, so it clears the chips, it wants to start from there.
[21:59:38] <Tom_itx> that was why i suggested switching z to where you cut with the first drill
[21:59:43] <Tom_itx> and raise the retract
[21:59:45] <elmo40> but I need it to start from mid-point, but retract after each peck to the ARE
[21:59:46] <ReadError> shes complete :)
[21:59:48] <elmo40> R
[22:01:32] <Jymmm> peck drilling
[22:02:18] <Jymmm> r/2
[22:06:07] <Tom_itx> Jymmm he wants full retract
[22:06:17] <Tom_itx> peck doesn't do that i don't think
[22:07:43] <Jymmm> http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/2011-03/msg00708.html
[22:10:33] <Tom_itx> G73 should be flexible
[22:10:57] <Tom_itx> reducing value as you go deeper
[22:12:02] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jun%2026%2C%2010%2006%2012%20PM.jpg
[22:12:04] <Tom_itx> looks like you can use Q OR I J and K
[22:12:11] <ReadError> latest cnc project ;)
[22:16:00] <toastydeath> elmo40, that is what R can do
[22:16:24] <toastydeath> you just have to find the g or m code that tells the machine what the R value actually represents
[22:16:48] <toastydeath> because by default it uses the safe option - which is to pretend the Z height is the safe retract height, and the R height is the work height
[22:16:58] <toastydeath> You want Z to be the work height and R to be the retract height
[22:20:02] <toastydeath> (that is the default because it's easy to crash the machine drilling holes at the bottom of pockets otherwise)
[22:25:51] <Tom_itx> yup
[23:30:07] <Jymmm> Nice chunk of wood, but I don't have any ideas...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/zip/3059920797.html djdelorie, you???
[23:32:35] <cpresser> Jymmm: you could slice it into pieces and make a nice finish (grind, oil). then put small markers into the annual rings and put a text next to it, indicating historical events
[23:32:52] <cpresser> have the wood tell the local history
[23:33:04] <Jymmm> nice idea
[23:34:30] <Jymmm> could even inlay the markers
[23:34:54] <cpresser> there is one in our hometown. it was covered in epoxy and polished to high gloss
[23:36:38] <cpresser> its about 400 years old; and there are markings in it for all kind of things
[23:37:15] <Thetawaves> http://nbitwonder.com/blog/tag/voip32/
[23:37:35] <Jymmm> It's FAR too big for *ME* to do anything with, but for free, would be nice for someone creative.
[23:39:32] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: since i have nfc what voip32 is, eh =)
[23:39:46] <Thetawaves> actually i was trying to show retrobsd
[23:39:53] <Thetawaves> http://retrobsd.org/
[23:39:55] <Jymmm> but that they recently added dhcp, no thanks =)
[23:40:49] <Jymmm> but I blame that on bsd more than anything else
[23:40:59] <Thetawaves> b;ame what?
[23:41:10] <cpresser> Thetawaves: thats a cool project. it might save me a lot of trouble for my upcoming PIC32-Projects :)
[23:41:32] <Thetawaves> what you doing with pic32?
[23:42:05] <Thetawaves> i got a pic32 starterkit in the mail last friday :D
[23:42:25] <cpresser> mine is still on its way... i intend to build a DMX-Recorder
[23:42:35] <Jymmm> a what?
[23:42:44] <Jymmm> is that the light show thingy?
[23:42:51] <cpresser> DMX is a digital protocol used in show lighting
[23:42:51] <Thetawaves> stage lighting
[23:43:35] <cpresser> i had to buy one for a past project.. it was expensive as hell.. so i decided to build my own :)
[23:43:49] <Jymmm> projects already exist for it
[23:44:24] <cpresser> sure.. but i still want to create my own
[23:44:35] <Jymmm> fair enough =)
[23:48:22] <Thetawaves> i want to build an engine controller
[23:49:03] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: for cars?
[23:49:19] <Thetawaves> no, a small generator
[23:49:27] <Jymmm> ah
[23:51:22] <Thetawaves> i also want to build a matching vawt generator
[23:51:28] <Jymmm> gas/diesel generator or some hybrid funky nuclear hydrogen generator?
[23:51:55] <Thetawaves> vawt is the wrong term
[23:52:08] <Thetawaves> but the kind of 3/5 phase generators commonly used in those
[23:52:24] <djdelorie> Jymmm: I've seen bigger
[23:52:45] <Thetawaves> if i buy a house, i'd like to tie a regular gas generator into the natural gas system
[23:52:50] <Jymmm> djdelorie: But, what would you do with it is the question
[23:53:04] <djdelorie> Peter turns them into lampshades. www.woodshades.com
[23:53:06] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: gasoline + natural gas?
[23:53:28] <Thetawaves> sure, but it will probably not see much gasoline use
[23:53:58] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: I want to get the kit to turn my eu2000 into gas/natural/propane
[23:54:08] <Jymmm> djdelorie: those are pretty
[23:54:26] <Thetawaves> have you considered just winging it?
[23:54:30] <djdelorie> they're prettier in real life, we've got one in our living room
[23:54:42] <Jymmm> $2400 holy shit
[23:54:49] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: winging it, hiw?
[23:55:23] <Thetawaves> just get that thing that turns the liquid into a gas, and use some old regulator you've got
[23:55:45] <Thetawaves> drill a hole somewhere around the carb
[23:55:48] <Thetawaves> ???
[23:55:50] <Thetawaves> profit
[23:55:50] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: have you seen the kit in action?
[23:56:05] <Thetawaves> no
[23:56:08] <paresh> emc2 engraving with laser
[23:56:18] <Thetawaves> i have looked at the components in most kits, and there is not much there
[23:56:23] <Jymmm> Thetawaves:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CFYQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMNaGW5SOPas&ei=44_qT6GPBcrM2AW9r8y6AQ&usg=AFQjCNFZwoPkAn3F2yqKjtZ4fhaEt13Ufw
[23:56:27] <Jymmm> bah,
[23:56:40] <Jymmm> Thetawaves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNaGW5SOPas
[23:56:56] <paresh> looking for emc2 engraving
[23:58:19] <cpresser> paresh: ask a question :)
[23:58:19] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: Some are syaing they're getting better performance with propane than gasoline too
[23:59:08] <paresh> any body did engraving with emc2 with laser ?
[23:59:42] * Jymmm suspects a z axis question coming
